I don't believe that they are men in my opinion we didn't hear Satan's perspective I don't think that's completely true I don't want to get involved at all they already exist attraction isn't a choice I agree with the travel van but I'm on a whole nothing up homie I don't dislike men there is a right and wrong way to be a man take this second to think about it I think that when I originally heard the question being asked I didn't agree with it but men are not abusive individuals men are not to be cowards men are to lead their families and men who do not display that I don't believe that they are men in my opinion and all of the qualities that I see my father is what I believe a man should be all of those characteristics are what make a man and when I see a man be a coward in the truth and in in just speaking the truth or um scking up for what's right especially today in America with everything going on I'm like those are not [Music] men at the end of the day we're all men and I don't believe there's any any wrong way to be a man we're just redefining what it means to be a man but there are things that naturally come to men So when you say we're just redefining what being a man is you have to understand you're redefining a fabric in society that has kept the human race and got it to where it is today so just like aimlessly throwing out oh well we're just redefining what it is to be a man that's not just like a light subject that we should be talking about but why do you have to stay the same why do we need to have the same thing for hundreds and hundreds of years do you not see the state it's not the same thing it's just it's keeping the same qualities but do you see the state of our world today it's not perfect it's and it's been led by men like throughout all of history and look where it's gone so you're you know we're talking about redesigning what it means to be a man so what do you want to bring to traditional men I think it's embracing that you can be vulnerable I think that a lot of men want to portray strength strength strength but men are people and I know that men have feelings being a man and masculinity those are two different things and I believe that we can redefine whatever that means to anybody by including other types of men or other types of masculinity myself am a father I have a child some people would disagree with me being a father because I am transgender but that being said I present to the world as male my child sees me as a man there's proper ways to be vulnerable right you don't have to break down in front of your family and cry it's okay to suffer silence as well strong men I believe exude the qualities that you guys are referring to I think the problem is overcorrection Right some people believe that men need to cry and lay on the ground and be feminine like women I believe Satan is evil wait why did you why did you stop uh it I I was trying to play it out in my head but then I realize I don't agree with that in yeah well the fact that there is a a a Satan who has and the fact that he is evil is I mean it's it's an important pretty Central um belief that we hold in the Christian faith and that there is a good and loving God and and a and a Satan who is evil so I so let's go back to Genesis okay God wanted to keep humans from eating the fruit of knowledge correct and Satan or the serpent wanted to give humans that knowledge I believe that's a good action it is a good action that's a good action that's justifiable the first uh person to advocate for equal rights yes we only heard God's perspective and from my perspect I mean just looking into the Bible it's like we didn't hear Satan's perspective maybe he said this is God is a tyrannical God and I'm going to Rebel from him and I'm going to become a fallen angel to help mankind my interpretation and understanding of that story is is that God created an environment where he in it was environment of love and peace and and where his children that he created and who he loved who he created in His image would they were naked and they didn't have understanding they this is an environment for them to babies wait wait wait I got to we got to hear his whole point uh to flourish and so he puts them in this environment and he desires for them to to to to flourish and to be and to live in in in unashamed relationship with him and his Perfection and His glory again I see and stupid I see God making simple play things because he's bored if it's real then and then saying don't do this cuz I don't want you on my level and if you do I have to make sure you can't live forever so you really don't get on my level would you think that if you heard that one of your friends was having a baby and and you'd say oh you're just making a play thing for your depending on their in there are some parents who use their kids as their play things but that's how I see the same generative love that that out of which God created us um I think for me from um as much knowledge as I have about Satan I think Satan is a symbol of freedom and liberty right so that is not evil of course like we discussed before if people commit wrong deeds in the name of Satan then that's wrong for me I was I flip-flopped a little only because I I don't think that on his own the devil Satan is evil I think it's he's used to represent evil whether he does or not he that's what he's used for it's like very much his character is very much used to say like you do something wrong like oh that's an act of like the devil kind of anyone can become rich if you work hard enough so I just think that anyone could become rich if they actually like believed in themselves and took the risk to actually believe in themselves that there is some success at the end of the line of that I feel like a lot of it comes down to mindset first and really having the belief that you can do that I know for me one of my biggest concerns was I didn't have any skills whatsoever and I didn't get into college I have like a 2.0 GPA in high school like it was terrible I had such bad grades but I really turned that into a positive and I really believe this actually happened for a reason because now I could pursue something else which is real estate because I didn't require a college degree and looking back now that was the best thing that had ever happened that's like a really sticky situation with anyone can become like rich and cuz I don't think that's completely true a lot of people can if they have like connections and stuff you know but feel like sometimes people like they work two jobs or sometimes they have other things going on they have to pay their needs first they don't always have like money for that you know cuz like my dad he's like a landscape worker he has tried making his own company and it doesn't always like work out he has tried hard doesn't work that's why I think it's like you have to have connects you know that's why do do you mind if I interject um yeah in terms of building connections I didn't have any connections either when it comes to you know working in real estate and what I did to make the connections is I went to open houses every single Sunday for months and I probably met at least 50 or 60 real estate agents and it was through that that I met one agent who was really gracious enough to say if you want to come uh work underneath me I'm happy to do that and it was really that connection which you you know like you mentioned connection that I met that person through just really kind of putting myself out there to meet people there's a lot of institutional and system barriers that we aren't really talking about if you walk into like a Beverly Hills $5 million house not speaking English they're probably not going to give you the like hookup we don't tend to move within circles where those connections cross economic and socioeconomic lines but even beyond that I want to say like you took a big risk and your risk paid off but what if your risk hadn't paid off and that's for a lot of people who do try and start their own businesses try and start their own YouTube channel that risk doesn't pay off and there's no real safety net there so we're not really getting an adequate side of people like taken that entrepreneurial risk and not been able to take it again I'm almost worried it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy though if you go in it fearing oh what am I going to fail and that becomes your main focus I think more people are less likely to take risks actually needed to succeed because they're more focused on not failing if that makes sense yeah I think your beliefs create the level of action you take and the level of action you take determines your results and it is cyclical banking your child is an acceptable form of punishment what I don't want to get involved at all yeah this is not do we have to we don't have to do it at all I I don't even want to stand back here well we don't have to you guys don't have to participate in the conversation whatsoever but is it going to show our position like standing back or sitting we do see you guys in the background but we just want to hear his perspective then people can walk forward but if you don't want to participate in the conversation whatsoever you don't have to wow yeah so I'm kind of sadden that nobody else walked forward because not only do I think it's an acceptable form of punishment but I think it's one of the best and the reason is is because it's effective it's quick it's over it's done and the kid can go off and play again and not have to sit in a corner or languish in a room or something like that and it's not about getting angry I'm mad I'm going to whack my kid no it's about okay you made you did something you weren't supposed to do and you're going to get spanked for this so I'm going to ask any of my disagre who wish to step forward to talk about this please do if you wish not to step forward you don't have to the specific an I have is um for my child is one time like you know as a as a parent you can lose your patience and that happens we would just kind of like slap him on the hand and we did something like don't do that don't do that and I remember one time he did something and he started to BEC more self-aware and he started hitting himself on the hand and hitting himself and I was like I I can't do this is I can't we can't go down this path with him this is not going to work for at least specifically for him and I think it's a case by case basis too like you know you've LED your kids in a way that hopefully he doesn't lash out into the real world I don't want him to react like that to someone else either and I just feel like that's my responsibility so yeah and you know I hear that opponents dis spanking will say I don't want my child to be violent yeah you know I have five kids 10 and under and the exact opposite is true because do you think it's a bad memory for them what's that do you think that they're going to have memories of these times being spanked and that it will be sure and I think be thankful for it I would do because I I I I would be lying if I said I never have spanked my child of course we but I don't ever I don't don't feel good about it don't you want to raise your child to not want to do things because they feel as if they'll be a better person not because they're going to be punished for it both see this is hard for me to understand because I come from a culture where everyone like all my friends have loving parents that spank them as kids and now they've grown up to be great functional well functional adults who respect their parents and are glad their parents spank them okay I'm just going to tell say my my view so I don't spank my child one because of child slavery and Jim Crow I'm a black person and I live in a world where black people are beaten all the time I have a mother who spanked me I don't I'm not glad that I was spanked I respect her but I'm not happy about that also the same thing with the people who are like I was spanked I came out great they usually have like anger issues they're violent they whoop their own kids they probably need therapy usually they don't even realize how emotionally [ __ ] up they are well you got to understand parenting is more than just I spank or I don't spank if you're a terrible parent and you think that spanking is going to fix your kid you're wrong step forward if you agree with the prompt the government has no right to tell people what to do with their body vaccines yeah I don't think the government has the right to tell you what you want do step back sorry okay I stood here because of vaccines but I know a lot of you guys probably look at me like oh what about abortion now the thing is when it comes to abortion two bodies are involved it's the woman and it's the fetus the fetus you know has a heartbeat it has DNA it should have rights when life begins a conception that's not when the heart's there heart to beat starts at four weeks it's not just a clump of cells it is life at 21 weeks it can live outside of the womb abortion ends with murder and death over 90% of abortions happen within the first 10 weeks that's still I think that's not acceptable but they still have the potential of having life though the mortality rate of a fetus getting aborted is 100% it's going to die when it's aborted you're very lucky you'll never have to experience what it's like to have to make that choice but what if I what if I what if I become a father and you know the woman who I got pregnant wants to have an abortion it's going to affect me you would have a discussion with your partner then and decide what you're going to do and be glad that you have a choice to even discuss with that partner unfortunately human nature if you take away the option or the right to do that then they'll find it another way and it will be unsafe and uh would you support the mom would you support the mom in that scenario if the mom had an abortion or the mom no if she gave birth oh of course I would support I say what you do is a good thing and support her financially for the rest of her life or for the rest of the baby's life are you talking about like what do you mean me support her like as a citizen or if somebody has a baby we do have child support and it comes from taxpayer money there's foster care there's adoption there's mothers waiting those systems are very broken and people all the time are trying to stop funding for programs like that now I want to ask you guys do you do you support vaccine mandates yes so so I mean you you step forward and said the government shouldn't tell you what to do with your body though why why would you support my issue is is that I believe that the government should not be able to tell me what to do with my body but I have to accept the consequences for the choices that I make with my body the vaccines for instance I absolutely felt that everyone should get vaccinated why because this was a pandemic but if you don't want to I don't think the government should have to tell you that you have to but you then have to suffer the consequences of your choices which means you cannot patronize certain places you can't put other people at risk I know I know you're saying they're doing to protect us but the Corona virus has I think a Survivor almost 98% 99% and we're manding these vaccines why are we not manding the flu what's frightening to me is that you're equating some minor inconveniences in your privileged life to youe my life is privileg but why would you seee my life as privileged though you don't know my life why I mean I don't say that about you why would you see my life as privilege I'm privileged okay that's fine but why why would you asse my life is privileged for when you're a man you know most people commit suicide are men most people who work in dous workplaces are men most people fight in war are men and who set that system up men I'm going to ask the disagrees to step forward well I think I give a unique perspective on this because I actually do agree with the vaccine mandate I think Co was just a huge disaster and I think it could have ended a lot sooner if things were more organized definitely as far as whether the government should intervene on people's bodies I think there are a lot of instances where the government should one to protect the society in general especially in cases such as a pandemic where um the disease could literally wipe out cities in other instances as well such as drug use I think the government should intervene because when you have a society that's addicted to opioids or crack it spreads like wildfire and I've seen it firsthand it's very difficult to control without the help of government now on the topic of abortion that one's you know very complex and in general I always want to favor a woman's right to choose but I think there's also a very fundamental question that both of you brought up is um at what point is a fetus a human or a person let's say a a child is 8 months in the womb and at that point the baby has a heart the baby has a brain has legs has arms do you think it's okay for that to be terminated in your nobody is doing that and nobody is having abortions with viable fetuses unless it is a medical emergency that will kill the baby and the mother it should be easier to immigrate and to America it should be easier the weight time should be shorter right but I I believe that it's so lengthy not because the process is so extreme I I mean personally I think it's so lengthy because it's mismanaged I think that too many hands in the cookie jar well that too but I think it's just like there's a way and a process that should be put in place so it's not years let's say that they fully cooperate right let's say they have everything they have all their documents and they're ready yeah I think it should be a lot shorter I say make it less bureaucratic yeah basically okay I mean I think I would agree with that I just feel like when it comes to Trump you support the individual but then the bureaucracy the administration all of that is so painstaking and just so inefficient and and all of this it doesn't really compute for me so I think I'm well we've only been in there a year right for me and we have so many changes that we want to make so let's talk about a couple of policy things what about the Muslim ban or the travel ban the travel band to me was more of a well it was something that was created by Obama anyway but it was enacted by Trump don't don't get me wrong I agree with the travel ban right and I agree with refugees but that's two separate things to me so what I'm trying to say is that none of these policies that are happening are not to do with one another they're all intertwined when we say we support the travel band but we also support refugees but we also want to like help them get vaccinations and we also want to do this and we also want to well don't forget we're funding the same bombs that are causing the yemenis to have to become refuges there has to be a reason right so so it's all it's all it's all connected right so so why are we bombing Yemen personally I haven't looked into Yemen I guess I'm missing your point it refugees you support yes travel ban Muslim ban you support it's not Muslim it's not a Muslim B I support a travel band so we can assess who's coming in I just think it's important to contextualize like you're saying nothing happens in a vacuum right and I think that if we start to actually connect the dots like I'm encouraging us to do then it'll become a lot more understandable I mean I don't believe in bombing anyone I would like to uh answer your question about why we're bombing Yemen we're not bombing Yemen we're bombing radical jihadists in Yemen who are killing people that's why we're bombing parts of Yemen selectively to kill people who are doing terrible terrible things and there's a tremendous amount of rape happening in England taking these little girls grooming them because they feel they have the right to do we don't want that here absolutely those are things we don't want in the United States and one other thing there's people with predatory behavior in every excuse me we don't want it we don't want it if I could say this and you'll get mad at me but if I could say this it's not baked into their religion there are 109 passages in the Quran where people are told to kill infidels and and Christians and Jews there's nothing like that in our Bible or in the Bhagavad Gita or in anything Buddha taught or any other religion I'm aware of in the world until people renounce those values then they scare me I don't think so I haven't renounced any part of my religion in front of you so I hope that you don't feel threatened by me so I'm not sure what you mean by that and I won't renounce any part of Islam the point that I'm trying to make is that you didn't really answer the question no he did he said the reason why we're bombing y Yemen is to save the people because I'm assuming that in Yemen and the reason we want a travel ban is to keep out people like that guys remember this is a video about Trump and immigrants we're mixing too much the religion well I think when it comes with the travel B but you shouldn't question somebody's religion I am very religious very religious and I'm not putting anything about my religion in here I'm here to talk about me as an immigrant you guys are here to talk about Donald Trump like supporting him and yes I've learned a lot like you guys are human too you have values you who would have thought you know that we would have found a common ground and we we wouldn't like hit each other right here you know because after the media portraying you guys as bad or us as terrorist whatever you're right I think the media is portraying us all In a Different Light I think that we're portraying ourselves in a very different light too I mean I feel very attacked just now for my religion when I did come here to talk about myself as an immigrant but you kept talking about the travel ban it's a Muslim B has to do with immigration it's not Muslim B but what I'm trying to just say is that no one should have to explain Muslim Christian Jewish none of the above what they are to you but Muslims continuously have to defend not only their religion but their Humanity jacked men are more attractive than fat men will the agre please step forward how come there's four guys over there all right we're so we're living in a bizarre world where people don't see the truth like how is it possible that they're thinking no being obese and unhealthy is more attractive than being fit and healthy how is this how is this possible you want actually you know what this is precisely why a majority of women find a majority of men as unattractive because a lot of guys think this way oh I'd just be a nice guy and girls are going to like me no they're not she's not going to suck your dick with the same verocity when you're a fat as when you're in shape she's just not see people don't understand that women are aroused by one thing and they're attracted by another thing women are attracted to you know a guy that's confident ambitious makes money Etc of course right but they're aroused by guys that have assle Tendencies dark Triad traits Etc and guys that are physically in shape so if you want to get the best of your woman where she respects and admires you while simultaneously being aroused by you so she doesn't cheat with on you you need to have it all you're saying that's true for all women a majority a stag majority of women there might be 1% of the world that have there's something wrong with them that might think that yeah year 600 lb is so hot I love that but the hot girls girls that you actually want they exercise their hypony to the highest degree and they want guys that are fit and have their money together have their life together you're looking at me like you want to say something cuz the question was are Jackman more attracted we all walked over are We Are we more attracted to Jack men yeah well I'm assuming they frame that cuz we're all guys here from to they mean women well men could be attracted to switch teams I'm going with the Jack guy obviously this is going to be like personal biases but I think attraction is very fluid in the sense that I can 100% admit like there was probably 40 pounds of muscle ago is when most women would be like attracted to me of course like Fitness girls they're totally okay with the size I am but like probably most girls I'm like too much for so I guess like where do we draw that that line of like I think for example like you would be much more attractive to most women than me would you agree with that I mean that doesn't mean that like if you walked up to a girl and let's say you're not her like you're a little bit more muscular than she would like if you had the charm and Charisma she going still go with you man it don't matter I I I have an interesting point yeah and and no no date on you but I think if you had Zach right your on the end yep if you put Zach and Greg and you put them next to each other and you did a poll I think that most women would probably pick him if you like cuz he's got the height and all that what would you what would you guys say to that no well well we can put it to the test fair I'm 48 years old he's a lot younger than me he's about a foot taller than me but you can't compare I'm an old man I'm 48 years old obviously height is a big component so that that you know it's not Apple you're comparing apples oranges but if you take the same guy same height Etc but one guy is fat one guy's in good shape she's always going to go with the guy that's a better shape because I've been so surprised to see on Instagram there'll be like guys doing like an outfit try on like not in shape in the slightest bit and all the comments are women like I wish like men knew this is how we wish they looked and like oh this is like Dre Med Liars one thing about you can never believe what women say man you you you you believe how they behave not what they say that's a different episode all right yeah I disagreed mostly just with the blanket statement because attraction is so subjective I am a a big and tall model by trade that's what I do I'm model clothing brands I've modeled with major fashion houses I've been on the covers of magazines you mentioned before dadbod comments and whatnot on social media I was flabbergasted when I started how many people were commenting and dming me and talking about how attractive I was that it just kind of I don't know showed me that attraction is a lot more subjective than I thought and people have a much wider range of what they find attractive than specifically a body type is being jacked the most important trait for being attractive I I'd argue for guys it' probably be otherwise right I think height would be a big money money height Fame like yeah like what like what can you bring to the table the number one thing is status by far status people Al also go after what they think they can get so if this guy is 6'5 and extremely attractive and it's like I can't get that guy I I'm attracted to the 10 on 10 superm model but I'm not going to get her so I'll be happy with the 9.9 on 10 just to be clear are we speaking about women being attracted to men it's not just about women it's just about rtion the what is the most attractive in your opinion physique for a man okay I'm speaking from like what women find attractive so when I when I when I speak that's what I'm talking about I'm sexually fluid so my Law of Attraction does not adhere to anyone's standards pretty much I'm attracted to people in general so you could be checked you could be more plus-sized you could be skinny you could be whatever it is that you are if I'm attracted to you I'm attracted to you what are the traits you find most attractive I think the way that you carry yourself is a really big thing for me I can't date someone who lacks confidence because I feel like that seeps into other aspects of your life do you mind if I jump in on the confidence thing yeah Okay cool so growing up wasn't too confident in myself and I gained that confidence when I started losing weight and I noticed it was me putting myself in positions to get more opportunities with women right now I'm single right now but I'm I'm doing okay but the confidence came from me losing weight so I do agree that it's a subjective kind of standpoint but socially I I understand that physically fit men that's just like what everyone's liking someone I love died from G violence man that's crazy we ain't even got to get up man just ask question down the first time I ever seen somebody close to me past I was I was young my older cousin right in front of my mama house another another black man just just typical statistic gang bang and it's like visualizing that as a young as a young boy is like that's probably one of the reasons why I am who I am today it's traumatizing it's traumatizing and it instantly adapts you to to to your community to your environment to where you at because it's like if you don't get down like this you going to get down like this I was 19 years old man and I had seen a lot of people get shot but I was sitting there talking to this dude it was actually kid Kevin syes from 60s we sitting there talking for about an hour I'm waiting to go skating and as soon as he crossed the street the van pull up they had been waiting the whole time and they gunned him and that's really [ __ ] me up man to see that they could have easily just came up and and gunned us both it wasn't about cripper blood it was just about that anger and rage like man want to hurt somebody and man it it it left something a void in me that was like spiritual like man what is God doing but also that rage was like man I want to hurt somebody and and I and I took it with me from the age of 19 and I just felt suicidal like I signed up every day to go out and be dead I didn't care I'm going hurt somebody they G to hurt me to this day I still think I'm gu almost guaranteed that I'mma die from Street violence are you okay with that though have you accepted that as a man yes I accept it because it's like all the negativity I done dissed out see I want to say something because this is what's causing me to to change because I made that same pack that same vow for my gang that I'm going to die for my gang I do life for this [ __ ] but recent [ __ ] has showed me that nah I got another purpose I could do something else I don't have to die to gang banging let me let me ask you something real quick though you got a child a baby a girl I got four beautiful blessings you got four beautiful bless so here's the thing would you die for them of course but that's not what they want they need you to live for them and you ready to go out every day and die for them and them the same people need you to be alive M mhm damn man I done lost so many homies I lost some [ __ ] homies I lost some blood homies I'm over with this gang banging [ __ ] if something happened to y'all y'all will see that I'm so serious about this [ __ ] but I'm on a whole another note homie respect you feel me and I don't want to lose y'all if [ __ ] don't wake up unless we save each other so it don't have to be no more losses we going to lose straight up today women have more advantages than men I can speak from a hiring standpoint um when it comes to things like affirmative action and there are certain roles that that traditionally men and women have been able to serve in and now women can basically do all of those things right because we've had such a a strong uh advocacy for equal representation in the workplace whereas for example you know you'll never find a man as a midwife nurse and I don't think it's appropriate that's why are those differences women in like the most important parts of uh Society have an advantage there's a lot of positions that men simply aren't getting hired at anymore because of you know the fact that they're a man and um it's not just in in in in the workforce it's also I would say you know it's a lot easier for a woman to to find a relationship even if she you know says it's a finding the right guy is so hard it really isn't but uh find sometimes for a lot of guys finding a girl at all is hard if I have to consider what I wear before stepping out the house because I don't want to draw some type of attention I don't know how many other men have to consider is this outfit going to be deemed safe for me any situation that I have experienced where like I physically felt endangered simply because I don't want to give my number out it's part of that entitlement for men you're not entitled a conversation with me you're not entitled to my number that aside it's like are you going to make one example of the entitlement of men when it comes to asking for your number be the all-encompassing thing that all men have a problem when it comes to approaching women well firstly it's not just an example it's not necessarily all men I don't dislike men I love sports I play video games I have Bros I hang out with dudes we just want men to realize that if you have friends that are having locker room talk as a man as an ally please say something to your friends do you think repressing that is really the solution here though if it's in a healthy male space there's nothing health I think that's healthy I think it's toxic itself I mean if you're making jokes and you're doing all of that jokes that are harmful jokes are not healthy because they just lead to people normalizing things people always say oh it's just a joke but when someone else hears it they don't realize how that resonates and again how that turns into violence like this is not an isolated situation I'm only thinking of three off the top of my head cuz if I think of too many it's going to I'm going to spiral right now so what's the alternative men shouldn't talk about these things no I think men can have a healthy dialogue I don't think men have to be toxic in order to have a conversation I know plenty of men that are able to have conversations about healthy produc productive things just like women are well it's not obviously something that I have personal experience with but only 1% of all people on the death row are women in this country so when women and men commit identical crimes women are much more likely to for example escape the death penalty and that's just plain sex-based discrimination that I agree on that's true look I'm thinking about basic needs like around the globe the women who don't even have like proper like sanitary like products I mean I have to agree just small things like ATT tax on a box of tampons do you think I choose to to do this monthly no trust me so why should I have to pay taxes when this is a medical necessity we're just like dismissed a lot of our symptoms a lot of the things we report especially women of colorable women across the board are just treated a lot less equally don't everybody rush forward when I I first decided to uh go uh to uh Santa Monica Community College I spent an hour on the campus just looking at who was there and I realized that there had to be something extremely fair about it because of the diversity I was seeing I was seeing people of every color of every age obviously uh I was welcomed there nobody questioned my being too old for college if you want to address me you can address me as he or she or them or girl Becky with the good hair or Beck it doesn't as long as the term is respectful yeah I will take it in 2018 for instance only in America there are there are 257 million people who have a smartphone and out of these people 80% of people are on social media any one of these 80% can actually become an Instagram model and I think that really very very very small portion of people can become a fashion model it's is completely different because if you take away the makeup if you take away um the filters if you take away um maybe the plastic surgery and all the retouching see what is really at the end you know I wouldn't necessarily agree with [Music] that I view the other side as uneducated I'm running they they they are un for this well they they certainly think they're educated and they're following um quite a bit of you know the university system what we call scientism right scientism obviously is the belief in What's um what's written where we tend to be exploring um in the field with physical properties not theories of any kind we're using actual measurements that are calculated not by our guidelines but the guidelines of science as we know it I can only hope they're uneducated as opposed to disingenuous well that's the other thing too because we know that on a large scale the government has been disingenuous and they're they're they're pushing a narrative right so it's it's hard for us I mean I'm sure that you've met people too it's like look are you just you haven't looked into it yet or are you a shill are you are you part of a disinformation campaign I don't think you guys are uneducated I think you're wrongly educated I think the problem with what I've seen in the Flat Earth crowd is that it's not that they're undereducated but they instead of looking at evidence and letting the evidence guide to where the ultimate conclusion is they start with a conclusion and then they try to cherry-pick evidence to support their pre-drawn conclusion they cast away all the bits of evidence that actually is contrary to their beliefs I think that you're very well educated as well as you are Jim certainly all is to get the best education of all of us exactly and he paid for it too um but more and more uh professionals are coming on board there certain to question question their reality so the thing of it is is once you start to really look take a hard look at the evidence and you are are unafraid of just standing for the truth wherever that may lead you uh then um people end up becoming flat earthers