foreign edifying and inspiring program but before we start we would like to have a clearer and it was supposed to be from a local party but that local party really liked how Muhammad hijab himself read so he decided to confer the honors on to him to recite the Quran Bismillah [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] foreign [Music] love one now foreign before I go about introducing our two guest speakers the chairman of the ipci Dr Muhammad Khan would just like to say a few words of welcome and personally thank all of you and the two guest speakers foreign on behalf of ipci I have the honor and privilege to welcome our guests all the way from UK and I know one of the speakers is from the Hyde Park Corner Speakers Corner and has experience with engagement with other religious organization and I would like to welcome each one of you to this evening's program and I don't want to take much of your time but just to thank you and also the organizers who have organized this function thank you for that so before we begin we've got to do a customary introduction and why I say it's customary because I think everyone here knows who these two gentlemen are they are you know there's no need for an introduction when it comes to Muhammad but just by way of formality if I had to explain to you the impact that they've had on the world on the Muslim World At Large I'd say that you know from the time of the sahaba of the Allah the Muslim ummah has always faced intellectual attacks people who wanted to assault and assail the Orthodox Islamic position and in every one of these eras Allah chose certain individuals to stand up and defend the Islamic cause and in the beginning of the 21st century in the first decade a new age atheism using social media had began to create doubts in the minds of Believers the world over and Allah hand-picked certain individuals to defend the Deen and alhamdulillah these two Scholars these two these two gentlemen are from amongst those people who have defended The Deen that through their writings through their debates through the content that they've produced they have played a huge role in stemming the tide of the secular Western liberal mindset and they've trained an entire generation of youngsters to be confident in their Deen to be confident about defending the Orthodox Islamic positions and they personally have you know taken it upon themselves to go out and challenge those people who are attacking Islam and who doesn't know the famous debate with Hamza and Lawrence Krauss I think it's got over 5 million views on YouTube or Muhammad hijab when he absolutely humiliated David who hasn't seen those you know those iconic moments for all Muslims around the world and so you know they've got a lot to offer of us and we've got a lot to learn they've represented Islam on the highest platforms and alhamdulillah they've done all of us proud when it comes to qualifications then the way Hamza put it I think is that Muhammad hijab has more degrees than a thermometer he has a master's degree in history he has a master's degree in his Islamic Studies he has a master's degree in philosophy he has a bachelor's degree in politics he's still studying for his PhD in philosophy he's still studying at al-azhar as well at the same time he's also and studied under so many traditional Scholars Hadith all of the traditional subjects he studied as well and if we look at brother Hamza he is studied so he's he has many postgraduate qualifications in philosophy he's studying for his PhD as well he's written an amazing book called The Divine reality I already recommended everyone reads that book it's been translated into 10 languages he was the CEO of Ira one of the leading Dao organizations in the world if you look at the website I think they're getting over 100 Charters a day and he's also a trained boxing expert and Wing Chun Kung Fu Master so we have a lot to learn from him so and both of them have started this website called sapiens Institute it's and I would really also recommend that everyone checks that out there's such beneficial content there to for us to further our learning as Muslims we're all going to go on this journey of Alum and sapiens Institute which they both have co-founded is one of the best websites you can use for that so the way the program is going to work is I'm not sure who's speaking first but the speakers are going to speak one after the other then we're going to open the floor for Q a after that there's going at about half past eight we'll stop with that then there's going to be some tea and desserts and then at nine o'clock Isha jamaa will take place in the building next door in the musallah next door where the where the new radio station is we're going to go down there and at about 9 00 PM the Isha will take place at that time so without further Ado whichever one of you guys is speaking first can come up Bismillah foreign I'd like to thank ipci for facilitating such an amazing event and I'd like to thank every single one of you for participating and obviously and fundamentally and ultimately I'd like to thank Allah for making this happen because it's a very important event we're going to be talking about liberalism feminism and the lgbtq plus ideology so my initial presentation is going to be on the lgbtq plus ideology is called reclaiming the rainbow and it is evident my dear brothers and Messiah that Society has waged a full on attack against the family against the gender and moral and necessary social hierarchies that have existed for millennia and obviously are expressed best and optimally through the Islamic tradition and the weapon that has been used is this ideology so the main objective my dear brothers in mashayach is to unpack five major assumptions of this ideology so you can Empower you to understand why it is actually false but before I get into that I just want to remind everybody about the ethical position that we take with regards to our ideological enemies it doesn't necessarily follow that just because someone's an ideological enemy that now you have to assert yourself physically in a way that discriminates in a way that is violent and the Quran has these nuanced positions chapter 60 verse 8 Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes surely Allah loves those who are fair and interestingly Allah uses the form of the word bir which we know means righteousness and it's used in the context of the Quran in Chapter 19 Verse 32 with regards to piety and intense goodness to one's mother so it's very important for us to understand that yes we are ideologically pulls apart but I'm going to be fair to you I'm going to be righteous towards you and this is why we shouldn't fall for the kind of neo-liberal neo-post modern trap that just because you disagree with someone you may disagree with the conception of Rights it doesn't mean that now I want to be violent against you or discriminate in a way that actually harms you because our main role as Muslims is to do what is to be what is to be beacons of light to show manifested in a form of guidance we want to awaken the truth within we want people to be guided to the truth so they have an optimal and Pure Life in this world and they have eternal Bliss in the hereafter is that clear so the first thing I want to say is this every truth claim has assumptions every truth claim every postulation every idea has a set of assumptions now these assumptions can be grounded in truth and they could be coherent or they could be incoherent and not grounded in any truth let me give you an example the secularist mantra slogan church and state must be separate what are the assumptions behind this there are a few assumptions let's unpack one of them this essentially argues that God and religion is unable to govern societies that's the Assumption here essentially it's articulating that secularism has its own epistemological and metaphysical biases meaning how they see the world the nature of political discourse the nature of governing people can only be understood by referring it to secularism itself and essentially saying that religion including Islam does not have the principles the framework the moral and legal reasoning to actually govern societies that include people who are described as the other and this is totally false another assumption is that this Mantra secularism itself assumes the distinct and mutually exclusive categories of the political and the religion secularism has this metaphysical narcissism IT projects itself onto reality and is basically saying I'm going to strip away the political I'm going to strip away the ability to govern from anything other than myself which is also false because it assumes that secularism is is the only thing Abu to govern societies with different people with distinct groups and religion is can only be reduced to the Private Affairs and I would argue humbly I blame our Christian Brothers and friends and Humanity with regards to this Render unto Caesars what is Caesars and Render unto God's what is God's which is basically saying God does not have the ability to guide human beings to govern the Affairs of all human beings what kind of God is this limited contingent unable this is not the Islamic tradition so let's go to the lgbtq plus assumptions so the ideology maintains this in a broad sense same-sex intercourse and gender fluidity is not immoral and it is a right now this claim has a range of assumptions assumption number one human beings ultimately own their own bodies and I'm going to unpack these assumptions for you number two same-sex intercourse and gender fluidity is a fundamental individual right number three same-sex intercourse and gender fluidity does not have any wrong making features it's not immoral number four sexuality and desires form one's identity finally sexuality gender is a social construct there are no biological markers now within the lgbtq plus ideologies advocates there's disagreement amongst these assumptions some would adopt maybe the last two assumptions some may adopt all of them even even though some of them may contradict the point is in the broad School of the lgbtq plus ideology and its advocates you're gonna find that they follow some of these assumptions a few of them if not all of them so let's unpack the first assumption humans own their own bodies now fundamentally and generally speaking they would argue there is no Creator which is an atheistic assumption although there are religious people who believe in the Creator that adopt this assumption too but we're gonna have a side note for that in a moment insha Allah God willing they argue there is no creator and we don't owe anything to that Creator we're not Duty bound and we live in a materialistic universe and the human being emerged from a lengthy biological process we've been reduced to the primordial soup carbon just rearranged in different ways electrons are swizzling around which doesn't give any man any honor with all due respect but nevertheless we haven't been created according to them and therefore we own our own bodies it's my body my body my choice you hear that a lot amongst the pro abortion advocates which is a slogan it's a rhetorical trap and we should basically say where is your proof for such a claim where is your proof because our understanding is based on truth is it's not your body at all it is fundamentally owned by Allah so when they say their own ER of anyone and obviously they have a particular definition of harm now some religious people may believe in God and therefore they may believe ultimately God owns our bodies but they will make the argument well God allows us to do whatever we want as long as it doesn't harm anyone which is a kind of liberal assumption with his own normative ethical theories that are away from any abrahamic discourse the second assumption is an individual right it's an individual right forget owning your body forget this than the other we live in a liberal Society in a secular society and the law has said that it is your right same-sex intercourse it's something that you're allowed to do it's within the law it's legal gender fluidity is totally fine and acceptable this is part of what we call individual rights now we don't reject individual rights we have this Motion in our tradition called the rights of the individual but we would say why are you assuming your conception of Rights is universal and absolute who gave you that right to play God are you external to the universe you can make the universal moral claimed who are you you limited contingent creature with limited cognitive faculties that has been infected and molested by your own shahawats your own blameworthy desires you've made yourself into a God my friend unacceptable unacceptable and therefore what we would say is well who has the right to give us our rights you or Allah the other assumption is that there are no wrong-making features it's not wrong to have same-sex intercourse it's not wrong to have gender fluidity and we would say where's your proof and they would say well we know that good and bad is based upon the maximum happiness for the maximum number of people which is a normative ethical Theory called utilitarianism it's a consequentialist theory it looks at the consequence or the impact of a moral action and they use the limited understanding The Limited understanding of the the future if you like the more Domino the moral dominoes falling and they make an assessment and they say well there's nothing wrong with same-sex intercourse there's nothing wrong with gender fluidity because we believe things are wrong or right based on what the maximum number of pleasure and happiness for the maximum number of people so if it reduces happiness or increases suffering then that is evil and this is based on a particular assumption and moral assumption it's a normative ethical Theory called consequentialism now we don't have to unpack this in too much detail but generally speaking the western civilization bases its moral truth if you like on two main normative ethical theories utilitarianism the maximum number of happiness for the maximum number of people the maximum pleasure for the maximum number of people that's what's good and if you reduce that happiness or you increase suffering for people then that is evil then you have another thing called deontological ethics deontological ethics is not really about the consequences of your moral action it's using your intellect to form certain criteria to understand moral duties that we have a duty to do X and we have a duty to to do why irrespective of the consequences and we don't need to go too much into this because I'm going to leave this for Muhammad hijab to unpack but it's an idea that you need to understand that when they make a moral claim it's based on a particular moral theory and in the western discourse it's usually utilitarianism or deontological ethics and one would argue you also have ethical egoism which is also a consequence of this Theory it talks about the consequences of moral action but not based on the maximum number of people it doesn't say maximum pleasure for the maximum number of people what it says is maximum pleasure for you as an individual ethical egoism but the thing that you need to understand is this we don't need to unpack this too much philosophically just understand when they make a claim that there is nothing immoral about same-sex intercourse there's nothing anymore about their LGBT lgtp lgbtq plus ideology they're making it difficult as fast and there's nothing wrong with gender fluidity it's based upon a certain ethical Theory utilitarianism maybe ethical egoism deontological ethics and we would ask why do you think those are true I don't have to adopt your normative ethical Theory we have our own ethical Theory Divine command Theory Allah's commands are the best for us which will impact in a few moments so the other assumption is my dear brothers and sisters sorry there's no sister says I do apologize my dear oh there are sisters okay sorry I do apologize I see masha'allah lowering your gaze yeah reloying our gaze you know in both senses of the phonetic term the gays and the gays [Laughter] [Applause] [Laughter] the other assumption is that sexuality and gender is a social construct it's not based on any biological markers now this is based on something called queer Theory okay note this down queer Theory now queer theory is basically an extension of post-modernism which I'm going to discuss very briefly but queer theory was motivated by the uncontroversial and Justified point that says who we are is not just biology this is called biological essentialism that our biological traits or DNA or physical makeup dictate who we are this has been refuted and this is well known even in the son of the prophet sallallahu but the mainstream view is that there is a combination of biological traits DNA physical makeup and Society or some kind of socialization or nurturing It's a combination work queer Theory does it literally cuts the umbilical cord between the physical makeup DNA biology and socialization says it's just socialization it's all a social construct and queer theory is essentially based on post-modern principles so post-modernism is very hard to Define but you could reduce it to certain principles there are a few but we can only we only need to talk about two in this context the first one is radical skepticism postmodernism argues that there is no method to obtain objective truths about reality and this is like a commitment to cultural constructive constructivism meaning it's just a cultural construct we're radically skeptic about truth claims and this was based on a Foucault's kind of understanding of power Foucault who was the khabif nafti piece of work who's that he's referred to he's a he is seen as like one of the modern founders of queer Theory and post-modern discourse he's seen as an intellectual giant amongst those circles but he was raping young Algerian Boys in graveyards trust me you could trace these ideas to people who are fundamentally they're not even human they're like the bottom you know the bottom of a Dustbin you you scrape that muck that's what they are there that muck I'm not trying to dehumanize them I'm just saying from the character point of view how can you rape Boys in graveyards what's the matter with you and he was so obsessed with sexuality he actually wrote many volumes on the history of Western sexuality he fetishized sexuality honestly and they respect him look who he was the highest moral character the best human being to have walked this earth look who they follow someone who raped young Algerian Boys in graveyards come on you don't need to be a philosopher or sophisticated to find out how dumb stupid incoherent unhuman these ideas are so how do we apply radical skepticism to queer Theory so they say biology therefore gender is a social construct that is produced through the power structures of society and language it's got nothing to do with biological markers any form of biological truth any truth about gender that we know that's normative is just a form of socialization the second post-modern principle it's about social hierarchies which I briefly mentioned about Foucault they say that Society is based on systems of social hierarchies and power these decide what is known and how knowledge can be obtained and that's why Foucault had this idea of discourses you power is not like something on top of you is like a grid power is accessible everywhere and people who hold the power structures or the social hierarchies and the discourses the language that you use is the one that's going to shape what is known and what is not to be known what is true and what is not true and they say because truth becomes what can be known or not known is is socialized and propagated if you like and constructed through language which for Cocoa discourses then they're radically skeptical about this all of this stuff and they also are skeptical or they believe social hierarchies are unjust forms of power or there could be sources of Oppression and queer theorists argue violence so how do we apply this socialization of social construction constructivism to queer Theory well Cree Theory argues that fixed categories of heterosexual or male female and normative terms concerning sexuality are forms of Oppression because you put them in categories there's a power structure that develops that language and puts it in categories and that power structure itself is using that language to dictate what can be known or not known this is a source of Oppression they argue and therefore they say that this is built by social narratives perpetuated by language and query Theory argues this is violence but it's a next assumption there are some key thinkers of post-modernism and query Theory you don't have to know them in detail we already spoke about Michelle Foucault who was a French philosopher why can you reduce nasty ideas to French thinkers I don't know what's going on he wrote The Order of Things discipline and Punishment the birth of the prison Madness and civilizations and the history of sexuality which is a multi-volume history of Western sexuality and some of his key ideas we've mentioned but he says that I did his ideas Center on Power and what we know to be true are just constructions of language which he called discourses and his work has become canonical for queer theorists you have Jacques derida a French philosopher hero of grammatology writing and difference and speech and phenomena and his ideas are simply this because a diridian understanding of language is quite important for postmodernists and queer theories because they say that language can be a source of Oppression and and power and it's used unjustly and they also say language from a diridian perspective language doesn't represent reality language is just relational the words you use don't represent reality they just make sense within themselves so they say they inherently biased and oppressive for example at the written understanding of language would say when you say what is the opposite of male we say female ah man females opposite of male this is the hierarchy so these two terms are relational One's On Top one's on the bottom generally speaking and that's why he developed this term chord phalagocentrism phalago centrism was the argument that in Western language and discourse it's inherently pro-male it favors the masculine hierarchy therefore it is oppressive and you have the works of Simone de bevoir she was a feminist philosopher but she was also an existential philosopher her great work not great in terms of praising it but in terms of popularity it's called The Second Sex and she essentially argues that someone is not born a woman they become a woman and what it means to be a woman is not just a biological fact she facilitate the idea that's the sexual assigned is not the same as the sex that you can become and although she wasn't a great theorist but she delivered the initial ideas for queer Theory to develop you have girl Rubin who's an anthropologist she wrote the traffic in women note on the political economy of sex and thinking sex notes for a radical theory of the politics of sexuality and basically she argues that family is just there the family structure the normative understanding of what it means to be a family and that hierarchy is just there just to reproduce gender and to make heterosexuality seem normal and she allowed the idea that gender could be reproduced and there are systems in place to control that gender Norms male and female are repressive she argues and she says that we conform to them Judas Butler who's alive she's a philosopher her famous work was gender trouble feminism and the subversion of identity she prevents presents the idea of gender performativity which is really the key philosophy if you like of what's Happening Now with the transgender movement she argues that there are no biological traits that dictate your gender or your sexuality and she calls this gender performativity now it's not a performance that you act like a like an actor but rather it's like the social hierarchy and the language that you use allows you to become that thing so she would argue for example in a legal context or in a Christian context when the priest says that he has a legal Authority I now I now to man and wife by virtue of his authority the social hierarchy by virtue of the language that he's using they become man and wife automatically five seconds ago they were not man and wife so by virtue of the structure hierarchy and the language used you can perform a gender or perform a role so she argues disturb the social hierarchies agitate them break them down disturb the language change the language therefore you have more freedom and you can make up any gender you want so we know and the other assumption which we need to quickly talk about is that your identity is formed with by your desires that's the key key aspect here that's a key Assumption of the lgbtq plus philosophy that my desires are going to form my identity so let's quickly unpack them I should just be another five minutes insha Allah from an Islamic perspective do humans fundamentally own their own bodies who owns our bodies Allah so we disagree with that assumption we disagree with that assumption that humans ultimately own their own bodies Allah create us Allah owns US is an aspect of his creative agency and power an aspect of his and therefore he has every righteousness what to do with our bodies because it belongs to him and we have a duty to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is this clear let's unpack the second assumption from an Islamic perspective same-sex intercourse and gender fluidity is a fundamental individual right no according to whose conception of Rights your rights are not Universal they come from a liberal individualistic paradigm we say that the true Universal rights is the one who is from the one who created the whole universe whose commands are based on his goodness his al-bar the source of a goodness he is our man the intensely merciful his the loving he is external to the universe he can make the universal moral claim he could make the claim about rights he's the knowing the wise he has the picture we just got the pixel so when I command something or says something gives our rights he has every right to do so because he owns us he has every right to do so because he's the source of all goodness and the ultimate Authority as Allah says in the Quran in chapter 7 verse 28 indeed Allah does not order immorality do you say about Allah that which you do not know the other assumption that we want to mention is that they claim that desires form your identity this is so not true you may have a desire to be maybe homosexual but that could be unpacked and you could have some mentoring and you could change that desire which is well known in the psychological discourse that's why we're trying to they're trying to ban that type of therapy but notwithstanding in the Islamic tradition desires do not form our identity what forms our identities that we are worshipers of Allah Allah says in the Quran in chapter 2 verse 138 this is the natural way the fitra this is the natural way of Allah and who is better than Allah then and then Allah in ordaining away sorry the word fitra is used in Chapter 30 verse 30 not in this context and we worship none by him so our primary identity is not our desires it's the fact that we've been created by Allah we're here to worship him which means to love him to know him to obey him to submit to him to glorify him and to direct to direct all internal and external acts of worship to Allah alone also we know that following your desires that are not Guided by Allah they're not in line with Islam I actually blame with and who is more astray than the one who follows his desire without guidance from Allah indeed Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people and so this is very very important for us to understand my dear brothers and sisters the other assumption gender sexuality just a social construct yes we don't agree with biological essentialism it's just biology there's a combination of both socialization nurturing social nurturing guidance and biology and we know this from the son of the prophet salallahu but with totally and categorically reject that is just socialization there is something within us biologically that Allah has created and from a fitra perspective that actually dictates our gender and sexuality and Allah makes it clear it's a binary well the man and the female and the maidies don't like the female and this is supported by psychological anthropological and biological evidence and the way to disturb this assumption is to produce its absurdities if we follow through with the quiz Theory postmodern discourse I could just say this if biological markers do not dictate Who I Am With regards to sexuality gender even my identity itself then from now on I announce I am a bushy-tailed cat meow meow you can if you're consistent with postmodernism if you're consistent with Queen Theory then I'm a bushy-tailed cat oh one minute gender performativity if you follow that narrative all of a sudden now I am a six foot seven Egyptian handsome articular eloquent man right [Applause] my features don't count my biological traits don't count or and to be a little bit more controversial since color biology doesn't dictate who I am I can say this brothers and sisters and friends henceforth I want to be called sambina my name is sambina a black lesbian ah it's beyond I could say that right according to the theory I don't want to offend anyone I better show the absurdity of the discourse what makes it even worse my dear brothers and sisters is that they claim that social hierarchy and language are forms of Oppression that must be fought and Disturbed they believe oppression Injustice is objective but they follow the post-modern principle that there is no method to come to an objective truth that should also include the so-called notion of objective Justice and objective oppression it's a contradiction finally brothers and sisters and friends they argue that sexual sexual intercourse with the same gender and gender fluidity does not have any wrong-making features and we would just argue something very simple yes they do we don't adopt utilitarianism or ethical egoism or donatological ethics we adopt Divine command Theory what Allah and his messenger have said and we already explained that Allah can make the universal moral claim Allah is not limited his knowledge and wisdom are maximally perfect without any deficiency on floor here's a source of all goodness here's and when he commands in line with who he is therefore it's always going to be good for us and Society from the individual social and political perspective also Allah has the complete moral picture by virtue of Allah's nature with regards to his names and attributes Allah has the picture we got the pixel he knows everything we don't he knows the full moral consequences of everything also he is the ultimate judge and we have the duty towards Allah he is the ultimate Authority he is the source of all goodness and he is the only being worthy of worship and power of worship that we obey Allah we are Duty bound to Allah to obey his commands now obviously and this is a key point for you you want to give dawah all of this depends on the fact that we believe in Allah and his Revelation so when you show the Islamic take on these assumptions tell them and this is true because the Quran the Sunnah Allah's existence is Oneness Revelation and Prophet are true and what they say about these things are also true because they come from the ultimate Authority now they would respond to us and say well there is a dilemma here you threefolds dilemma why are you obeying Divine commands it doesn't make any sense like recently in the debate that we had in Johannesburg this uh Oppenheimer who basically was uh intellectually nuclear bombed by this beloved gentleman and I had a little bit of sprinkling as well I supported that I facilitated that inside to some degree but he was totally annihilated when he was said why should I follow the essentially the religion of the white man the ethics of the white man was John Locke Nigerian why where's your proof that these things are objective and true all morality right and then he shut up for the whole the whole debate he was quiet like a mouse he's like quite like a mouse maybe I should identify as that cat and eat him alive [Applause] Oppenheimer the mouse so they say you threefolds that applies and this is the Dilemma is it good because Allah commanded it or is it good because the commands of Allah are good now if it's good because Allah commanded it and they say it's arbitrary Allah could command for you to kill everyone over the age of 60 and therefore be morally good so it doesn't work then they would say if you choose is it good because the commands of Allah are good that good is an external reference point that a good is external to God himself we reject this it's a false dilemma it's pathetic origin this dilemma YouTubers dilemma was about polytheism anyway why is the first dilemma because we accept the first horn which is it's good because Allah commanded it but we reject the Assumption we reject the Assumption Allah's commands are dislocated away from his nature because we could do it in the following way which is an argument that came from in his conclusive argument for God's existence and basically I'm just summarizing in a modern context and the argument is as follows Allah's commands manifested in the Islamic moral and legal and legal Islamic more legal principles and Theory addresses the moral needs of human beings on a personal social and political level the commands of Allah are like a key that perfectly fit into a lock that opens the door to the functioning and well-being for individuals and Society a key is designed for a lock and just like the key is designed for a lock the commands of Allah is designed for our well-being therefore is completely irrational and absurd to claim that Allah's commands are arbitrary to argue such a thing is equivalent of claiming that a specific key that opens a specific door all was not designed so I know I've gone a little bit too much but let me just literally three minutes and you hold me to account on these three minutes inshallah they would argue and say look Don't force your assumption on us congratulations this is where we want you you're the one who's been putting this ideology across the World Behind money and power and even violence you've been pushing this ideology down our throats leave our children alone leave us alone do what you want in your bedroom I'm not saying it's right you're still going to go to hell for it if you don't believe in Allah but leave us alone stop being such disgusting shaytanic human beings that you want to change our children gender affirming care what does that mean I'm gonna cut off your genitalia I'm gonna make it to a vagina with all due respect I apologize sisters that's what happens if you see some of the pictures you'd faint gender affirming care and they were complaining about circumcision this little small piece of skin but what they do is they get their vagina they make it to a phallus that doesn't even work and when they doesn't work sometimes they take it from the rectum yes and then he grows hairs and it stinks and they can't do anything and they want to commit suicide we should suffer these people out of love out of genuine care for Humanity these people have gender dysphoria it's a medical problem and we should be caring enough to help them this lgbtq plus energy doesn't care for them they don't care for them they want to destroy them so yes we agree don't force assumption on us and since you understood that you have assumptions too then maybe you should stand in the possibility that our assumptions that are coherent come from the truth let me give doubt to you Allah is true his Oneness is true his Revelation is true prophethood is true and what they say is true they also say love is love this is a nonsensical rhetorical trap trying to make us feel that we're not loving Muslims are the most loving human beings to love for Humanity what we love for ourselves you won't truly believe unless you love for your brother what you love for yourself and now he says this means Humanity as well that you want good for them and guidance for them obviously we don't love disbelief but we want good for them and guidance for them says that this is a nonsense to contract because love is intentional and directional you want people's well-being their lgbtq plus philosophy especially the transgender movement does not want your well-being they want to destroy and mutilate you and also we could just agitate them and say fine love is love then water is water drink from the toilet and we could say okay sexy sex make love to a corpse food is food okay eat my vomit right they've been having intellectual from all this time incoherent intellectual postulations and musings which is equivalent of intellectual vomit that we need to clean up so my dear brothers and the sisters this is the end of the presentation when you know how to unpack the assumptions you know the Islamic taken those assumptions don't stop there bring them to Allah our assumptions are true they're coherent they come from Allah and let me explain to you Allah is he wants good for you he wants you to be guided he doesn't want you to go to hell that's why he sent down revelation and we could prove the Quran prove Allah's existence his Oneness his Revelation and prophethood and what comes from this truth is true and obviously you're not going to articulate like me with passion and a sense of maybe bordering arrogance I'm doing this as to get you to think but uh but the art of dawah is to do what to call people to Allah chapter 16 verse one to five to call people to Allah to the sabeel of Allah and hasana wisdom you're applying your aim in a particular context you're applying knowledge in a particular context for an Allah Centric God we want to awaken the truth within people one good for Humanity and we deal with Hassan I would simply which implies goodness righteousness a sense of love so if you do it in that way you do it with calmness then I think everyone's gonna be okay but now is the time to start doing it in the next five years South Africa would be a different place we don't want it to be there we want goodness for Humanity and that is our job as Muslims foreign s believe that the Quran have all the solutions to all of our problems and the Quran is the best form of guidance so when we talk about homosexuality the practice of it or the belief of it or when we talk about feminism we want to talk about liberalism in a sense the Quran has dealt with all of those topics and this actually affirms the Timeless moral nature of the Quran Kareem for example I was pondering over some verses in the Quran in suratul araf and it's very very interesting because when the prophets came to the people they all came and they said they called them to tahit that there's no God except for him I.E Allah and then for example is for example Islam he didn't actually tell the people to worship Allah it's a very interesting situation here he's the only one if you this is something you can check go on and you'll see all of the prophets said they said only worship Allah there's no other God except for him when he came to his people that wasn't the first thing he said to them he said to them the following foreign this is in chapter 7 verse 80. the first thing locked said to his people according to the Quran is are you approaching the people with something that nobody before you has done foreign the first thing he challenged them on was this homosexual practices he says you are approaching men in a desirous way in opposition to other than women you are a people who transgress all bounds it's very interesting the phraseology and we'll come back to it how did they respond to him because all of this is so interesting Allah has placed it in the Quran for a reason so that we can read this as people of the 21st Century and take lessons from this there's no doubt about that Canada call me it wasn't the case that his calm his people responded to him except that they said remove them from your town there are people who seek purification now let's take it one step back let's really analyze these words for a second very interesting the first thing is lot challenges people he said to them you are a people who prefer women men over women in shower he made it very clear means desire and then he said the following he said you are means you go overboard you're going too much now now I was thinking about this tail end of the Ayah for many years actually and this is not a tafsir this is I want to just explain what I've been thinking about you see in psychology there is something called replacement Theory some people call it Romeo and Juliet Theory very interesting especially when it comes to love and sexuality if you continually tell someone not to do something sometimes it makes it more desirable for them and if you say don't do that don't do that don't do that don't do that and it's in a sexual context sometimes it can make them want to do it more this is the case this area is very interesting because it's not really saying don't do that don't do that in that manner it's saying you're going overboard now very interesting so it doesn't activate that psychological response that someone it could be argued could get from that and obviously in the other part of the the other interaction with them lord said these this is a these are my daughters effectively that's the translation you can marry them but this daughters is the daughters of the village is it the daughters this is a discussion among the scholars the point is he gave them an alternative because sexuality requires an alternative sexuality is like a wave if you stand in front of it it can swallow you engulf your life sexuality is not something you can try and stop like this no matter how loudly you shout or what you do it's something you need to redirect so we go back this tail end of the Ayah is very interesting but what is even for me more interesting from a sociological perspective is the respect or response of his people they only said one thing to him they didn't care about it they don't argue with him they don't care about bring your evidences and they want to argue with you and debate with you they don't care about all of that to be honest with you they're not interested they only said one thing get them out of your city and it's so interesting the pronouns here get them out of your town but aren't they all living in the same town if you want to put it in modern parlance aren't they all citizens of the same country get them out of your country because these ones they want to purify themselves which indicates they're not interested in pure purification effectively they don't care about purifying themselves these particular ones in the Quran they don't care about purifying themselves [Music] that is it shows you why he didn't start with tawheed with them because they were fundamentally insincere he had to break the idol he had to make sure was there before he could put illallah that they were so entrenched into their own desires that it was clouding any kind of rational discussion they were not interested in discussion they were not interested in truth so if he had said to them believe in Allah this would have been too much of an obstacle so my pondering over the verse is perhaps their desires were so strong that they needed to be deconstructed first and the responses get them out of your country and you'll see how quickly you'll turn from South Africans to Indians when they enact laws and put this on the record and remember what I said when they enact laws of hate speech and anti-discrimination laws when you start speaking about anti-lgbt practices and so on they say if you do that they'll copy the West monkey see monkey do this is what South Africa is going to happen if there's anything you want to predict You can predict this you'll see how quickly you go from this country wherever to your original country where you you'll get them out of your city this is our this country is a liberal country this country is about tolerance and inclusion and if you're not interested in that then leave this is what they'll say go back to your country and this is already what we're seeing in the West this country and they do that in institutions your child has to learn this information your child must learn inclusion and tolerance and fundamental British or American values your child must learn this syllabus it is undoubtedly exactly what loot faced we are facing but imagine he was like one person and he's he had a small group of family members and Allah still saved him except for his wife Kenneth she was the she was with those who she she sided with those actually and you this actually teaches us another lesson which is that we're going to lose people in this war if a prophet of Allah lost his wife in this ideological war there's no doubt that we are going to lose people in this war but we need to March ahead and this was probably more than three to four thousand years ago and Allah he describes a foreign the two wives of Noah and lot they were underneath two of our slaves and they betrayed them we will find people in our community who exist now who will also betray us so we have to prepare for that who will side with the dominant ethic Allah is psychologically priming and preparing us showing us that even our family members some of them they will lose we will lose them in the ranks everything is perfect in the Quran is telling us exactly what to do in this situation the guidance is there we offer alternatives but Lord despite the fact that he was one person with small number number of family members he still fought against the situation he said if I had the power I would change the situation now we are finding people Muslim people in leadership positions who do not have the fortitude and do not have the strength and they should be removed from their leadership position who effectively accept up or acquiesce or be quiet to the fact of this immorality all over the West we have seen it and they have been exposed some of them big figures and they took years and years to be Stern in speech about this practice in the same way like lot was which is a huge humiliation for them and they've lost all of their credibility foreign and the prophets of Allah have given us the answers the answer is you're going to give down and the dawah with homosexuality starts with the discussion of the elephant in the room we're going to start with your homosexuality we're going to start with this that's how we're going to solve this homosexuality with homosexuals that's how I start with them I don't start with tight this is the only group because the Quran kind of taught me this and if we can because this will be too big an objection for them it's too big we have to deal with it first and we will ask them the following how can you prove your position the Quran in no less than three different places asks a rhetorical question we'll ask a normal question which is actually a proposition bring your evidences if you are truthful what is the argument of the homosexual the argument of the homosexual is that we're not doing anything wrong because you can do whatever you like really so long as you're not harming anybody else this comes from a liberal ethic you can do whatever you like so long as you're not humming anyone else it's called the harm principle this is what they say so we are we ask them I mean is this really the case because last time I saw this lgbtq I didn't find the lgbtqi for incest because incest you can do why not a brother and another brother our two gay brothers how about that I'm not even going to say a sister so do you discriminate against those gays what can they say about this why haven't you included those I've asked many of them that question someone said you know what you have a point I was like but the Injustice has already been done the Injustice has already been according to you I asked another one you know he said to me so it's not natural I said really you're telling me I said you're going to use an argument that's natural or not natural he says what's your evidence against I said why am I going to tell you the evidence against you're the one saying it's okay you're the one telling me that you can do whatever you want so long as you don't have anyone else isn't that a statement of Truth are you making a true statement here okay tell me why that's true that you can do whatever you want so long as you don't have anyone else I'll read this and that and we don't have evidence and John Stewart Mill had an entire book who was the father of social liberalism he had a whole book trying to prove what he called the hand principle and he failed miserably he says you hear things because you hear them you see things because you see them and you desire things because you desire them it's a circular argument I had no veracity whatsoever it was humiliated even other philosophers rejected it but for the sake of argument let's go with it okay fine let's do for the sake of argument is it really true that you're not harming anyone else because last time I checked a homosexual person was anything between 10 to 20 times more likely to carry sexually transmitted diseases and sexually transmitted diseases can be spread in more than one way not just sex can be done through blood or saliva or this or that I'm not talking just about AIDS although even that is 10 to 20 times more so you're affecting Everyone by doing this actually you're spreading diseases you are effectively spreading you're exacerbating the spread of sexually transmitted diseases someone will say you know in the Quran it says [Music] that particular Sodom and Gomorrah or whatever you want to call them in the the people of Lord in the Quran that there was a punishment Afflicted upon them and it wasn't just homosexuality it was more than one reason it's mentioned that you are cutting the roads you're doing homosexual actions and you are doing munkar evil actually so there was a collection of actions of course they didn't believe in Allah but where is the matar from hijara on all these things what the prophet told us actually he said in the future people will be committing sexually lewd actions and we will invent for them new diseases that were never affected before Yani if you really consider it I would rather many people would rather die instantly through Rocks coming from the sky then a slow disease which degenerates you over a span of time it's a slow and painful death and you look at your private parts in the genetical warts and blood is coming out of your rectum sorry to say and I don't know what's coming out of your mouth and this and that this is a slow and painful reality is this not a punishment could this not be a punishment of course it could be from the Islamic perspective of course it could be um and we have tried them with good things and bad things maybe they'll come back maybe they'll come back the point I'm making is even if we go with the harm principle that you can do whatever you want so long as you don't have anyone else there is no guarantee that you're not going to harm anyone else in fact there's more of a chance on probability that you will harm somebody else but is that the only harm we know there are other forms of harm we know that families with two partners with almost all the studies that have done on this families with two partners are more likely to the children and that family are more likely to what to be delinquent to have a lower educational attainment they are more likely to be criminal they're more likely to have psychological pathology do you know what's really interesting when you have two women and they are the two so-called mothers somehow I don't know how but let's just say they are the two so-called mothers and they're in the relationship domestic violence according to their statistics is highest or very very high in this category of lesbianism why because the Power Balance has been Disturbed I mean I'm sure many put your hands up you're married there's many married people are married as well and I've had my disagreements with my wife in my time I've been married for 11 years but I don't recall the last time my wife out of anger and frustration challenged me to a fight not only that hopefully the men in this audience have the same experience because it's a disadvantage even the UFC would not allow such a thing why because there's a power these weight categories the size bone this that testosterone which is not fair she might call her parents she might go to her friends she might give me the stonewalling me and giving me the cold shoulder but last time I found that she was actually trying to assault me was never but you know what's interesting about that is that the lgbtq situation is connected to transgender ideology and transgender ideology is effectively the following is effectively what psychologists refer to as psychosis this is it because psychosis is is officially when you lose touch with reality this is an official definition those are times those people in my family that went to the mental Asylum I don't know what you call it period you know the mental hospital basically for the insane or or for people who are mentally challenged I don't know what you guys call it here is this the correct is this politically correct I'm not sure yeah even if it's not okay you know anyway I remember very clearly a person came out in the morning and he said and he was walking like Arnold Schwarzenegger put his head up he goes I am half man half robot and then the three Nigerians big ones they came grabbed him and they put they put some medicines in him I don't know what it was they tried to sedate him but in the mental hospital you put the medicine in him but in the University you give him a prize and you attack those who go against him I don't understand it I think that there's going to be a time in history just like now the Western white man he looks at the ancient Greeks he looks at Athens Athena Zeus Hercules he says look at these people they used to believe in Zeus and Hercules and these ones it says look at this fictions that they used to believe in but I am proposing that Hercules is more real than the proposition that an xxy a chromosome is X Y because at least in the in the case of the former you cannot really falsify the existence of Hercules because it's not empirically you cannot put Hercules under a microscope he's a fake figure but you can easily falsify the idea that x axis X Y and X Y is 100 years from now the whites will be making fun of these whites here with this transgender ideology they're gonna Barry and John are going to have a discussion that's what I say you know 100 years ago these guys used to say that you know the XX you say the X Y and the male you say the female I mean look at the stupid people what kind of myth did they believe in anti-science community but it's talking about anti-science community and the truth of the matter is if you push this forward think of what the implications of this is this is serious implications if you're saying biological the biology doesn't matter effectively like you can invent your own you know you can invent your own pronoun or you can say whatever you like then in let's say in the South African context 29 years ago there was Apartheid yes it's unbelievable really 29 years ago and effectively a country that has influenced by the West you know there's apartheid shocking you know racism and all this but according to the transgender ideology just like sex is a social construct so too then must be race a social construct then if race is a social construct guess what so is racism so you can see how this can lead to a new racism you'll see a black guy or let's say a white guy could say he's black it's a white guy say I'm black there's no racism I'm black myself I identify as black and he was the one who he was he was doing the punishment his father was part of the government or something and he was doing he said black are you going against my identification and so you see racism can be eliminated I was one time in an elevator I was doing gender studies on a postgraduate level in one of the universities London left-wing University and the woman just out of nowhere she said you know she said you know the penis is a social construct now I had lots of I just wanted to have a one-liner I normally where is he I wanted to have a one like because you know the elevator is going to go quickly what I did say was the following I said if you say the penis is a social construct then guess what so is rape because isn't rape a penetrative act with a penis into the vagina and she just stood there I said by the way I don't believe rape is a social construct and I left just to make sure that she understood the point if you want to eliminate the science from the scientific from this discourse from the male and you know the whole transgender ideology is is defeated in one line of the Quran the male is not the same as the female can you imagine one it's not yeah it's not even an area it's it doesn't deserve too much recognition the male is not the same as the female let's move on because it's self-evident so self-evident to those Nigerians that put the chemicals into that person in the mental hospital to all these civilizations which existed for hundreds of thousands of years source of evidence to doctors who have to perform surgeries based on the basis of of the different you know reproductive things in both men and women it's self-evident so transgender ideology is not a threat it's a threat Only onto themselves I mean consider the following points if I said true look I'm 50 years old now I know most of you believe this I'm not 50 years old but is there any way of you disproving this statement I mean can you cut my belly from this and see like a tree how many circles are inside me what is the proof of how old I am it's testimonial evidence only I tell you and then you have to believe it there was no one there with any of you for each second of your life with a camera that's going to put on YouTube every second of your life a 31 year long video it doesn't exist but if you're allowing genders to identify in whatever way they like then surely you should allow people to identify with whatever age they like but you can see the problem already the problem is then I identify as a child why can't I go into a primary school and sit down this identifies 13 or 12 or 10 or whatever I mean it's this age discrimination nope you really have to justify to me if you're allowing this if you're allowing gender to be identified in whatever way you like then why can't I just say and mean it full well that age is just a number and it's a socially constructed number because quite frankly there's more evidence of my gender than there is of my age take my blood and see the x's and the Y's but you can find out X Y where you can't find out how old I am through my blood to do an estimation so if there's more science on the on on the side of my gender then or the my sex then there is on my age and yet you allow one and not the other this is where the slippery slope this is the slippery slope and so transgender ideology leads to real life pedophilia when we talk about Peter philia here we're talking about prepubescence I'm a pubescent can actually identify as a prepubescent should be why not and a preview person can identify the pubescent why not we're not talking just about ages why not a black man can identify as a white and a white can identify as a black therefore racism is gone there is no racism because race is a social construct to defeat the transgender ideology it is not by using it is not necessarily by using facts it's by showing The Logical absurdities that come about by the the implications the Practical implications of believing what they believe and how it's an affront to what they believe elsewhere through liberalism and human rights it is an affront to their own version of Human Rights not just to our religion which leaves us with feminism we we leave the least for lust see they say last but not least but I say least and least and lost which is feminism and the Quran deals with feminism just like it deals with liberalism in so much as the Quran says about liberalism not obviously the official ideology but its assumption which is referred to as the hedonistic principle have you seen the one who has taken his own desires as God the hedonistic principle is effectively you do whatever you gives you pleasure and then of course they put the harm principles there so long as you don't have anyone else these two things are liberalism social liberalism hedonistic principle harm principle and if you want to add one more thing the utilitarian Principle as many good for as many people that's it so we're trying to maximize the pleasure of as many people as possible that's basically what liberalism is and without harm that's it he's an instinct principle the Quran asks you the question have you seen the one who has taken his own desires as God so can you see subhanallah the Quran is dealing with each and every single one of these ideologies or at least assumptions of each and every single one of them the Quran deals with liberalism before I get to feminism in one other way which I thought about and I then is very interesting the following Allah has created the universe right he's created the universe with an incredible it's upon precision now someone will say how say look the universe is finely tuned in some way you don't want to believe that fine it's regular it's stable it is uniform and it allows life to exist you cannot you cannot deny this Allah says chapter 23. that if the truth had followed their desires everything in the universe had been would have been destroyed meaning what meaning the truth must be based on consistent measures the truth must be based on consistent measures for example this building that we are in right now the architect that engineered or drew the the original plans for this building had to use mathematics cannot be an architect without being good at maths you cannot be an engineer without being good at mathematics but at least know it and many Engineers are in this room and they know what I'm talking about so you have to have precise symmetrical this and that whatever calculations if it's not in place then what would happen is that this ceiling would just be destroy destroy us or would be crumbled underneath it like a house of cards it would just fall down like a house of cards or like dominoes Allah is telling us the universe is done with Precision you can see it you're living in it do you see any gaps in it he's asking us questions Allah is asking us and then he said that if the universe had been of the truth have been connected to their desires which is volatile one day they're happy one day they're sad one day they're angry one day they this one they're that the whole universe would have been destroyed meaning what liberalism itself it's a volatile measure and it doesn't have any truth value inside of it the idea of the hedonistic principle following your own desires is uncertain and inconsistent and had the universe been based on that no one would be alive it's a very interesting argument it's showing you the importance of Truth to a people who don't care about it like we just shown with the LGBT thing with lot they didn't care out they said bring them out if they don't want to debate with him they don't care about the truth we're saying there's a bigger elephant in the room the elephant is you don't care about truth but how do you not care about truth and the universe had been based on falsehood if the universe or the proportions and the constituents and the dimensions of the universe been based on a false inconsistent and volatile measure the universe itself would have imploded upon itself and are you not benefiting from the universe are you not breathing the air of the universe are you not drinking the water from the universe are you not pleasuring yourselves in this universe so you benefit from a consistent truth but you ditch it when it comes to morality this is a double standard very interesting very interesting it shows you the importance of Truth and it shows you the psychology of a people who don't care about it can you see how deep the Quran is a diagnosis of these issues of the current day if you just think of it with care if you just think about the Quran with care how it just completely diagnoses what's going on these people don't care about truth and this is the implication of them not carrying out truth had the universe proportions been based on their falsehood then the universe that's what Allah says you haven't created this universe heavens and the Earth in falsehood he created the in truth has he created the impulsive we wouldn't be able to observe it they don't care about truth and with feminism there's something deeper and it's very interesting because with these things we find two things out how pragmatically their ideologies don't work how epistemologically they don't contain any truth and how psychologically these people think or people with these ideologies think in the case of feminism is perfectly captured [Applause] very beautiful very amazing think about it with care because people men and women sometimes we're all comparative we all compare social creatures compare Allah is saying no Allah this is so amazing and beautiful it captures the whole feminist psyche and it's interesting because the verses before it was talking about inheritance but it says general verses and is giving general advice as the scholar says this is generic verses and there are generic Father which means phrases which says the following do you not wish what the other one has to a man is a portion of what he has earned and for a woman is a portion of what she has earned and asks Allah from his bounty the fact of the matter is feminism couldn't exist if resentment and embitterment and blaming others didn't exist deflection feminism is perfect for a resentful person that wants to blame another person for why things are going wrong in their life you want to blame other people say I wish I why does he get to have this and not me why does he get to have a career and I'm staying home with the kids why does he get to say the final word and I'm the one who has to follow what he has to say why does the brother have double what the sister has an inheritance why can the mind just say talip one word and the whole relationship ceases and the woman has to go through a formal procedure if she wants to do it for herself why does the mind why can't the Mind marry four wives and the woman cannot marry four husbands why isn't it just one and one why why why you see how many times they ask why as if we are the interrogated and they are the interrogator as if we are the defendant and they are the judge they know our judge they're not fit to be our judge because the same basic question before we ask why why why is one how can you prove that despite physical psychological anatomical physiological and psychological differences between men and women that everything should be the same isn't this the Assumption of feminism let me tell you something you have bus drivers here right bus drivers have you heard of a blind bus driver if I'm a blind man and I apply for a job as a bus driver and they say no could I say this is disability discrimination no because they will say listen being a bus driver entails that you can see the road there's a difference between someone who can see in someone who not see there's an advantage on the side of someone who can see and this affects the majority of people therefore we're going to suspend your individual right for the collective right simple as that we don't even we don't even entertain anything else we wouldn't even consider it but then when the feminist in America she wants to have an equal number of firefighters in the fire in the fire brigade in America and New York and this is true news they want to have equal number so in order to have equal number you have a person who is slower that they don't meet that obstacle course requirements weaker less Brave and so on so that people in burning buildings now have to have a second rate treatment in the name of gender equality is it not the same as putting a blind man in a bus it may not be as extreme I agree it might not be as severe but yet we can make a case that difference here has caused an effect a consequence which affects the majority of people and they're doing it to their own demise before they had for example in the United Kingdom it was illegal for a woman to fight in the front line illegal by law now they've allowed it you know this is for many people in the world who have been oppressed by the British and American armies good news actually I was telling one of my friends I'm speaking to some people and one of the guys were Iraqi okay from Iraq and I was explaining these things and I saw smoke on his face and I realized why he's smoking because the truth of the matter is this consider the following the combination of feminism transgender ideology and liberalism it's actually destroying the military capabilities of the western world China and Russia and Iran or wherever other country are unlikely to defeat the Western Empires the most people the most likely candidate for the destruction of the western civilization is the Western Civilization itself consider the following if you are told you have a fight tomorrow okay sorry to say you're gonna have to fight in the courtyard it's a one-on-one fight you're going to get nervous everyone's going to get I would get nervous as well I know it's hard to believe I would everyone get nervous even Mike Tyson goes to gun I don't want to say even you know anyway anyone will get nervous but then if I called you up and I said listen I have some news about your opponent he has decided to to remove his genitalia he has done he has done SRS surgery he has done SRS surgery he removed his genitalia what would that do would that fill you up with confidence or fear surely it would fill you up with confidence just remove this genitalia he has less testosterone he's probably in pain his muscle density has probably gone down dramatically in fact his bravery will be affected because testosterone affects bravery every single field he's making himself weaker I'm not sure if you've ever seen the difference between the Russian army there's a there's an advert online okay which compares the American Army with the Russian army and the American army military uh advertisement starts with a lesbian person honestly the rainbow flag and I was always this and inclusivity and all that and then they cut they juxtaposed it with the Russian men shooting this and that from the any one Russian will be looking at this and saying we've got it we're gonna we're gonna finish that they're doing wrestling and this and that and fighting the Bears and all these kind of things and this was a cutting their own thing and this one is coming to the Army I can do it if he can do it unbelievable so it's a double-edged sword actually the LBG actually the lgbtq thing is good in a way because it's destroying the armies of the colonizer is weakening them so long as we're not affected you know they say Robert greens many people have said this in fact even San Tzu do not disturb your enemy when he's making a mistake look if I if there was no muslim communities in the west if the Western have the hegemony I'll just say shut your mouth just leave them leave them please I might even wear a rainbow Flags I wouldn't do this but you know what I mean you leave them the colonizer wants to cut the genitalia and put the wood on the front lines and put the composed of police forces I saw a video on Twitter the other day of a woman trying to stop a man criminal and he was a drunkard I'm not sure if you've seen this and it was in the UK and she couldn't do it and he was weak and flimsy and drunk like if someone just done that he would have fallen on the floor and she was trying her best and whatever and this is not the place for you sorry to say this is not the place for you I was walking in my area in West London and England and I saw a female officer and she actually tried to stop me and speak to me I said to her listen you on a 38 000 pound salary yes certainly I know and you know you wouldn't risk your life for what they're doing in there if a man brought out a Rambo knife and tried to stab another man would you actually risk your life she looked at me and she knew and I knew what the answer that question was they're destroying it's inefficient but of course they're going to have a response so let me tell you what the response is the response is the following the citizen how can you remove half of the workforce from an economy that's the response they're going to say we have women working that increases our taxes we are able to take money from these and and so it's efficient from an economic perspective that's why you're finding they're attributed they may even attribute it to the fact that women have been given so-called Liberation the answers that I question is as follows tell me the amount of problems that you would get when you don't have nuclear families it is clear from the data that when you have single parent households or when you have households where the mother is not present in the house well found wrote a nice book called The Boy crisis about and he mentions lots of things about this for example but there are lots of things I've had lots of interviews with demographers and others on this on my channel you can find it in your own time but the point is this it's clear from the data that when you don't have a nuclear family you have less educational attainment you have more delinquency you have more criminality so okay put the woman in the workforce but now the state is going to have to pay for all of the crime now the state is going to have to pay especially if it's paying already for the medical bills for the medical bills of the delinquent ones now this day is going to have to pay for the psychological traumas that these people are going through in the pathologies which are known by the data is happening so don't tell me okay well this is going to save us money it may save you money in the first 10 years but it will lose you money in the in the next 20 or 30 and that's what we have seen definitely by the longitudinal data one of the most important studies that have been done to this effect is Blanche flower and Oswald that was done between 1960 to 1990 and it was the longest longitudinal study that was done of 100 000 women in England and in America and it was shown conclusively that their mental health degenerated after the passing of equal legislation stuff in America the legislation the feminist movement so it's harmed women as well so even if you want to argue there'll be a net income is the harm that the women in your countries are suffering such that 85 percent of them according to the satra magazine it's a French one magazine by the way said that they were 83 said they would leave their jobs if they had the chance straight away they would leave it in the west that's what they're saying they would leave it in the East and other places will say oh I want to go and work the other one she wants to copy two different mentalities completely is though is the money worth that depression for the woman I thought you cared about women but how is it the case then that all the data shows and it's called The Happy paradox that women are actually degenerating psychologically because of your policies you see when you manipulate the social order of things the way that Allah and the messenger has showed us in the Quran then this is what you get dysfunctionality dysfunctionality now 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I do want to leave some time for questions and answers because we've got another kind of 45 minutes to 50 minutes to speak and engage you guys so with that I will conclude assalamualaikum it is true that it is indeed true that Muslims in our communities are promoting and propagating this lgbtq plus agenda on that premise I have I have two questions inshallah number one wood naming and discussing these individuals as a protective measure be considered as a Reba number two if these individuals are family members and after you've attempted to give them the hour it was unsuccessful would keeping your children away from these dangerous ideals or family members would that be considered as the breaking of Family Ties this is two questions which have a lot of implications but I will tell you some things in regards to the first thing if someone says something publicly okay and they are speaking on behalf of the religion it's not even remember to correct this publicly because if they're misguiding the community if someone says well alcohol in any quantity just to be clear in any quantity in any quantity it's halal alcohol in any quantity not just you know some opinions or whatever I'm saying in any quantity then someone says no one said that from the scholars this disguise of you know he's outrageous this is this is correcting something which has been said which deviates the public that's the first thing in terms of I'll tell you something that many people didn't know the transgender issue is actually being dealt with in a way in the Hadith there was a person I don't know whether the person had a penis or not okay but it's a person in bukhari is mentioned that he's the person with like four I don't know it's what roles or oh sorry it's a person with like four role or six roles or something like that when he goes forward and six when he goes backwards yes it's discuss the discussion now is this person remove their penis sorry to say Annie or is the person not remove their penis we don't know but they were definitely effeminate and this person the prophet sallam actually told his wives don't let this person come into your house ever and I actually started doing some research and found another Hadith of how the prophet sallam dealt with that particular individual because he was starting to affect the community and he left him according to one narration to al-baqiah so he he separated he did he separated his family from them when the Dao wasn't working with them I mean imagine they had the prophet sallam there and they were not interested I'm not saying that they were disbelievers that person by the way they were just extremely effeminate maybe they had removed without I don't know if they had removed it or not I tried to look at the heart and stuff of no way but we can discuss if they had removed or not we don't know for sure well at least I don't know for sure but for sure I know that there was a policy of separation now is it seen as a Breaking of Family Ties now this is a fairly question which you would have to refer to your local element if the person let's define what is first is when somebody is blood related by the way it's not necessarily somebody who is in your family and not blood related for example the in-laws now I'm not saying you therefore some guys are going to say oh really no yeah I'm not saying therefore you know you should leave the in-laws or this I'm not saying this just just to be clear but I'm saying as a concept literally means from the same blood it's not it wouldn't be considered cutting the family ties in that formal sense it might be considered something else and it would not be good if you even cut the ties of the in-laws or this or that unless of course there's always exceptions imagine if someone tried to kill you and some of you may have experienced this I don't know South Africa I have guns one day you're having an argument with your wife and you just see a bullet coming through it's what's going on you see the in-law outside or something I don't know if that happened you had rights in 2020 I don't know the in the guise of the riots they were they were shooting friendly fire or something I don't know foreign law trying to do it to the father-in-law say I'll go out with you today in the riots and then you're out behind them and you start shooting and the father-in-law is there I don't know if this happened but the point is notwithstanding all these points that's something you're going to have to refer to your local element for a precise fatwa but just on two issues yes there is a Hadith from the prophet on this issue about people that were acting in an effeminate manner and there's also a discussion about what is that is and it doesn't include anything other than really if you look at all of this it doesn't really include your in-laws or other words are used but it's not really but as for whether you can count or not this you need to present your exact situation to a scholar in your community and you say to him this is my situation I've tried with him this many times this is his situation this is a Hokum that is really to be passed on this person come on so these are some questions from the women's section number one here it's it's from one person but it's two questions please talk about eyeshadow her age difference with the prophet especially how do we explain it to a non-muslims and number two there was still slavery in Islam we know the prophet salallahu was most kind but some people aren't especially to woman slaves why did the prophet salallahu Islam not just abolish it so how to explain the age of ice to a non-muslim and slavery says not just abolish it so the age of you know when they make claims about the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam you should just say so what what's wrong with it what's the matter with you you can't just sit there and just absorb all of the attacks the arrows as if we are now being in a court case and they're the judge during executioner with all due respect and the issue for them for the age of is one a misunderstanding of Islamic legal or moral theory or reasoning and it's also because of contemporary Western culture and the way to do this is in the following way you basically essentially and you basically well one thing is a lot of people cite history which is a good additional argument but it's not the core argument and I don't like using it necessarily because a lot of liberals or the people that we were talking to were basically say oh but times of change were Progressive we disagree with that now and it's not good to use that as a core argument but it's good as a supporting argument but nevertheless just say to them a few things when it comes to age of concern or when it comes to the marriageable age and so on and so forth we have a very robust moral and legal Theory or reasoning and we say the following the first thing we have to understand is the usuri principle of there is no harming and no reciprocating of harm this is a well-known principle in moral legal reasoning in the Islamic tradition so we would argue that there can't be any psychological and physical harm the second moral legal principle is Earth meaning social custom is determinative in fact is this clear so think about these two moral principles or legal principles number one there is no harming and a reciprocating of reciprocating of harm and number two is determinative and thick so let's apply that situation based on those principles and based on the life we know that there is no physical or psychological harm the age is irrelevant we're applying the principles here we also know from an urfi perspective have father said take her the society itself didn't even disagree with what was going on so it's based on social custom as well so what's the problem these are Timeless more legal principles maybe if you apply them in an orthodox Islamic context in today's society we will basically say it will be blameworthy to marry a nine-year-old because the Earth has changed especially in Western cultures and he may be argued because of Social and biological aspects and the development of the human being because human being is not just biologically it's not dictated by the essential biological features but there's also a form of socialization it could be the case because of our environments that there may be harm we stand in that possibility but if you understand the more legal reasoning of the sermon you apply in that time and this time you're always going to get the right answer but if you apply the secular principles in New York I believe you have the permission of your parents you could get married at the age of 14. in some countries it's 12 other countries 21 other countries 18. you're inconsistent I could technically get married in New York with the permission of the parents I think if she's 14 or 12 or whatever the case may be and then if I go to another state in America I go to Europe I become a pedophile inconsistent incoherent and it's simple as that we have more legal principles and we say when you apply them you get the right answer and at the time of the process and maybe other times too there's no if there's no physical or psychological harm and the the the the Earth is basically facilitating this and the way to assess that is obviously deal with we're not going to discuss that right now but if the if it's in line with the Earth there was a problem I remember the first time I took my wife to Hyde Park it was the only time you should never take your wife to Hyde Park I haven't done you know she was wearing the club she was with me you know I was you know messing around they would have got in big trouble this was I think before Muhammad hijab overtook the scene preserve him see I mean like on him and his family the best in this life and the best life to come say I mean so we were discussing something in the car and then some white guy you know daily you know he didn't cut his nails brush his teeth you know he didn't wash his bum one of those guys at the end of the day sometimes you have to psychologicalize how can you take seriously the philosophy of someone who doesn't wash his backside he's got crusty bum hey Mr Krusty bum why should I take you seriously we need to civilize you let's be honest here come on come on hey so he says to ah you're perfect married a nine-year distant the other she just turned back and said so what age did you want her to be his mouth was on the floor his mouth was on the floor he didn't know what to say because he knew any age that he gave would have been arbitrary and would go him to a legal and moral mess Islam generally speaking especially the Shire is not based on arbitrary numbers there are some instances but generally speaking is very principle based that's why it's timeless you see this principle there is no harm in or reciprocating of harm and we have our own definitions and application of that of course and there is no and an earth is determinative and thick the social constant in certain contexts is determinative effect when you apply that time place you're always going to get the right answer no one's going to be harmed and everything's going to be fine so in the London context for example if someone were to say to me would you lower a 60 year old or 50 year old married United on your door I say no it's immoral because of the Islamic principles because of Earth of the social custom because of maybe of harm as well in our particular context because of certain environmental factors that slow down the developmental process of certain issues so it's not the age itself that's arbitrary we apply moral principles and we're proud of them and it served us one it served Humanity well they have the problem but anyway if you link this to the lgbtq plus ideology Gail Rubin who wrote the essay that I mentioned in 1984. she in the first four paragraphs she's she's justifying basically pedophilia they are blurring the lines of consent someone hasn't reached puberty and they are actually mutilating them and give them the puberty blockers so in one more ground you have to say about this issue with all due respect be consistent and this is enshrined in your law in your so-called rights you're mutilating children or young people and you're giving them medicines that's actually harming them do you see the point here and they're blurring the lives of consent to the degree you have thinkers today and think is yesterday girl Ruben and others that are now saying that having sex with miners is not a problem they actually call this a form of discrimination because remember gender Theory query Theory rather based on the postmodern principles we don't like categories includes Age We includes the kind of distinction between adult and child that's a category based on a social construct we want to disturb that so it's okay for men to see with young boys just like their their prophet who raped Algerian boys in a graveyard and you think you have the audacity the point of think of us you go three fingers pointing back do you see I think that's a good answer but if also if you go to history it's kind of self-defeated you know many of these people came from uh marriages that were young you know many widows with the age of 18. some of them married at the age of nine ten eleven and twelve and actually in law it was allowed in Scotland I believe in the 1800s or late 1800s to marry a seven-year-old I believe and some of these things happen and they are the basically children of these people it's a bit self-defeating to deny it if you you know what I mean but that's a historical point so hopefully that addresses the question exactly how long was best um there's oh there was a second question about slavery I don't know we should address that should we should we address that as well or okay just um just to add to this point you can always ask the question okay you're saying it's wrong for him to marry a nine-year-old no problem is this consequently wrong or is it categorically wrong because remember all of Ethics is divided into two for them right if you look at a ethics is right and wrong morality what is right and wrong if you look at any kind of book on ethics and morality you'll see that it's either consequential this morality or categorical morality these are the only distinctions that they have which are prescriptive virtual ethics is not prescriptive a consequential thing is to say yes it's consequently wrong because it's harmful in which case we say can you prove that it's harmful because there was no reports to show that in fact all of the reports showed the opposite that she was enjoying it and she was jealous so many reports showed that she was jealous how can you be jealous unless you're in love and how could you be in love if you're being harmed like this there's so many reports to show how jealous that she was and how in love that she was and all this kind of thing there was no reports of I was being harmed and I'll try and find that there's even a report that says that she went through puberty by the way when she married the prophet Muhammad there is a report like this so this is number one if you say it's categorically wrong first of all how do you prove something called the categorical comparative and why is it categorically wrong so they the onus is on demo the burden of proof is upon them moreover I was doing some research on the issue and the question is why did they change the age of consent and if you look when they change the age of consent it really happened in the 20th century so you'll find for example in 1929 there was The Marriage Act in the United Kingdom before that by the way India constituted a change in the age of consent before England did by the way England did it as well 1929 and it changed from 12 years old you can get married at 12 in 1929 Which is less than 100 years ago to 16. and this coincided with the time where World War one had just been done and the liberal government at the time they instituted educative changes they connected the time when you finish education with when you become an adult but before in all of human civilization the time of when you finish education was not connected with that so you can see why they think 16 is a more reasonable number because they connected it with the education system which they created themselves so it's arbitrary but it's also intentional so why should we be subject to this as a form of morality number two I was thinking about this one sometimes you know we're going to visit like care homes for elderly people I don't know they call them here in South Africa in England so many of them because people don't take care of their parents effectively in England they just leave them in Care Homes I mean a lot of people don't take care of their parents all of them of course a lot of people don't take care of their parents so I went to a care home one time and I was looking around and you know my tower mind was working a little bit I was thinking I wonder because they were all like really senile like incapable of move move a little bit smile a little bit do crosswords and these kind of things I was thinking okay the age of consent in England is 16 years old but it doesn't have an upper limit consider the following if I'm not going to say myself but a man decided to engage sexually with one of these elderly women that's 95 years old legally it's okay now if you let me ask you on a medical level a 15 year old who's got big hips big story to say Annie big breasts this everything she's ready verses a 95 year old who's withering away and doing crossword who do you think will be harmed more the law allows one of them and it doesn't allow the other imagine if the man wants to go rough with her he'll break her collarbones he'll kill her he can kill her islamically such a marriage it would not be allowed because you can hurt the woman this is what happens when you have arbitrary numbers so maybe you should ask them why is it at the age of consent they may say and say oh that's wrong they should change it they should have an upper limit then where's the upper limit going to be because whatever upper limit you choose there's discrimination going to happen because not all 90 year olds are the same not all 80 year olds are the same not all 70 year olds are the same that's not to say brothers but I'm saying like you know my dad is 75 years old yes he's been married 10 times I mean not only one time just in case but more than tense I don't know he keeps getting married he says business you know I'm not I'm not denying the fact but he goes to different country matters younger women he does I'll be honest with you and there's nothing wrong with it there's nothing wrong with it I don't want to expose too much but I'm just saying these women don't have a problem so yes one time he went into a hospital Hospital in England and he played you know the red pill they call it game or I don't know what they call it yeah the guy I was it was a young woman nurse and he had some papers in his uh in his in his back actually I don't know maybe she's Christian or something yeah let's just say for the second one he said look I don't want to play games he goes I've got a house and he pulled out some papers and it wasn't even a deed to a house or anything he goes I've got a house here and I'm alone in it and I want to get married I said what'd you say she said are you being serious he said look I mean and she was happy to take and change numbers I was thinking this guy is playing the game people are oh marrying elderly people on a regular basis there was a supermodel who married an older man and then he died the next day and she took all of his inheritance I don't know what his name is is so this elderly marriage thing is very common in the West why do we always look at this side of this spectrum and not the other side I mean at the end of the day seeing our person at a very old age is as vulnerable You could argue imagine it's still a wheelchair Yanni I can make the situation worse and worse the point is this that's one thing ask for the slavery issue you know Islam is the only religion of its age that I know of that has an emancipatory discourse it actually does what would make you know what the good way is freeing slaves is the good way there is no such verse in the Bible by the way like this number one number two you'll find in in the zakat one of the categories of the cats is to free the slaves yes it didn't abolish it I agree with that slumped in a Polish live but it put in place a sieve system such that if you did so many sins of the heart if you took her back if you took an oath by accident for example if you kill somebody by accident if you kill a Muslim or a movement by accident then you have to free a Slave and many other things that would allow it now in the American Experience in 1861 to 1865 there was a civil war and most historians say one of the main reasons for that Civil War was because of slavery the Northeast wanted to abolish it with Abraham Lincoln and the way the South wanted to keep it in place but if you really consider how many people died in that war it's more than any other war in American history even the ones they did with other countries which shows you that if you try and abolish something like slavery all of a sudden look at how many people die because if what you want to do is free slaves and I will not disagree with you that Islam sees that as a good thing and there are some like karafi mentions for example in his book of usul that the Sharia wants to kind of get rid of it oh it says it moves towards or Freedom it's true but the way in which the Sharia does it is very clever and I would propose the following arguments it is conceivable in an Islamic State for there to be poverty if there's an Islamic State it is conceivable that there is poverty but Islam also encourages people to give it puts the impetus on the people to abolish poverty in their own way poverty is not a good thing Islam does not see poverty as a good thing for the recipient for the person for the end user but it doesn't abolish poverty it's very interesting Islam does not abolish poverty it has zakat in place but it is conceivable that even after all the characters paid and it is conceivable that you can still have people who are impoverished and if it's not conceivable then who would you be giving the zakatu in the first place every year so it's conceivable to have an Islamic State and governance and they're to be impoverished and disenfranchised Personnel of individuals in that place even though Islam from say a cosmological perspective wants to wants poverty to be alleviated but it doesn't abolish poverty because the repercussions of trying to abolish poverty is to strip people away with from certain Goods of theirs and to give it to other people which can create further resentments and problems and civil disunities which you have seen in history for example in the Soviet Union with the Communist stuff we have seen what that leads to like a communist system we have seen and we have seen the America so these two these two experiments have been done abolishing slavery has been done and abolishing poverty has been tried to be done with Communism both of them failed just in as much as Islam attempts to abolish poverty through sadaqah and the importance of the people it so does the same with slavery not through abolition but through the impetus and the encouragement through emancipatory discourse of the people and this is a more wise way of removing something which is socially undesirable for the end user that's the Islamic stance as for treating them nicely then there is a clear Hadith actually many clearhatis of the Prophet telling us to free them and or to treat them nicely there's one Hadith that says that your brothers that basically these are your brothers that treat them nicely and feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear and so on and the other one Hadith it states that do not do not call them say it sorry do not call them don't let them call you Lord and do not call them slave but call them fataya call them my boy if you like oh my young one or whatever for the woman yes don't call them Lord because why it could interfere Allah it could interfere with the idea of true the ultimate slavery is to Allah we believe there is no obedience to the creation and the Disobedience to the Creator what is Islam is full submission and slavery to Allah that level of slavery only belongs to Allah and to reinforce this theological meaning the prophet told us do not call them Lord and don't call them but I call them my boy or my girl so call them yes there can be a hierarchy in place but do not call them with words you would call Allah for example yeah oh yeah okay there's a car that's blocking the way indeed five seven zero 266 it's urgent okay so you see the ultimates because what is slavery defined as and this is something important because we say Islam we have to be careful here because what is slavery defined as in most dictionaries the fine is legally owning an individual who would then obey you completely or something like that really and truly Islam allows a kind of indentured servitude but the word slavery especially in an English context and in a western context has connotations which Islam has nothing to do with the most important of them is the racial implication the transatlantic slave trade the buying and selling of black people this Islam has nothing to do with in fact there is a book that is called white gold and it's about a Moroccan King his name Ismail he is one of the guys who has the most kids in history is I think 400 or something and it's about he took slaves from Europe and they were whites and this guy called Giles I don't know his surname whatever his name is who wrote that book waggled he was very upset about this he's a right-wing conservative in in England he's very upset and he's talking about it and they called him over and they tried to beg him to release the white slaves and they brought him to the pleasure palaces and they try to tempt him with women but this is the worst strategy with a man who's got 400 kids and so many of my slaves and apparently according to the according to the narrations they they brought women and he didn't even look at I mean to be honest with you if he didn't I would question his Islam the question is Islam he's got all this but the point is this shows you that it wasn't a racial matter in Islam I mean with all due respect I'm not saying this one or that one but I'm saying look at the amount of white slaves that were taken by the Muslims so it's not a matter of the the colonial justification of the black slaves and stuff and they had a racial argument which is foreign in the Islamic understanding because we say there is no virtue over a black man over a white man or white man over a black man clear which is why Islam is the most Cosmopolitan and multiracial religion in the world so when we say slavery we have to remove it from all connotations which have to do with the racial transatlantic slave trade that was perpetuated in the West and the racial justifications were given in that in that world really the Islamic conception is far removed from such conception altogether next question I just had one question actually I had two but I need to give my brother a chance as well uh your whole speech and what's going on online and throughout the world especially the Western world and it's coming to the east as well and yeah so I just wanted to ask your remarks on this eye of the Quran Surah Nisa verse 119 when ibley says to Allah and I will mislead them and I will arise in them desires and I will command them so they will split the ears of the cattle and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah is it the is this I uh referred to this time period what's going on right now in the world hmm to be honest with you I haven't thought about that and you've just made me I mean the part which is they will change the Hulk of Allah certainly this could be applicable but I have to think about this one it's very interesting question desires within them right now [Music] yeah sure sure I mean for sure because I mean they they're trying to change the creation of Allah in different ways but obviously it doesn't apply for Liberty where they will slit the ears of the and I'm the cattle and so on that's different so but but that part for I can see where you're making the connection and it's a it's a clever pondering of the Quran I have to give it to you it's very good masha'allah yes any other question should we get on from the sisters yeah yeah okay so the sisters asking if one has a non-muslim friend who is a bye can we still maintain friendship and pray for hidayat for them or will we be punished for associating with them they are good people with bad habits you know hamza's made a very good point which I want him to maybe add to is that were already buying into the idea that they're identifying with their sexuality so they're saying that they are bisexual what does this even mean that they're sexually aroused by both people according to studies and I looked at as a book called what do uh tell me what you want okay this is the name I don't really necessarily recommend reading this book but I don't know I said it to you but just as an academic reference okay as an academic reference it's called tell me what you want it's all about the sexual preferences of the people and I think it's the biggest study that was done I think on 4 000 people and it's interesting that's one thing and another book and I'll add these together is a billion Wicked thoughts which is they use what people research on pornography on the internet to see what people are interested in what is really interesting and striking is that in both books this idea of heterosexual women according to their framing right heterosexual women are attracted to watching other women in a sexual capacity is very Rife apparently but they don't identify as bisexual I mean for example many people today I mean we are all morally against homosexuality in all of its forms but if many of the people today were to watch two women sorry to say I'm being explicit about this two when performing sexual acts they may be aroused one person I know was telling me that he was discussing the matter with lesbians and so on and they said forget about all the arguments just take a look at this and they showed him something and he could never forget it afterwards like he saw the image and he could never forget the image I was a man obviously as a man we believe that lesbianism as a Muslim man it's Haram but it struck some kind of desire in him okay honey it's uh not a big deal because it wasn't his fault or whatever but then when he came out to do the lectures and he started talking about the LGBT community he started saying the gbg community and then the brother was like you forgot something here which is the hell it was it was the best form of dawa which was no dawa at all but the point is is just because someone has these tendencies it doesn't remove them or make them a fair or make them a cafe if they're acting upon that that's different to be honest even if they're telling you about them it's problematic to be honest I mean if they're telling you I have this I like men and women for that shows the type of food actually but just I mean for the sake of argument that can be something you can refer to Alama if that's what the situation is but if they are acting upon them then you cannot release associate with this imagine shaking their hands and then you don't know what they're doing or hugging them and they have one feeling and you have another feeling and why do you think that you can be safe from the fitna like sorry to say a woman can be tempted by another woman very easy it can happen and the evidence shows that a lot of heterosexual women can be tempted sexually by by lesbian women and bisexual women how do you know one day she's not going to do something that you're going to react to in a certain manner you say no I don't feel like this now but you don't know so it's a fitness if the person is practicing the thing I would say then you have to have a very if it's not a Dao relationship then it shouldn't be any relationship but if they're not practicing if they're coming to you as for counsel and they want to help and this and that then maybe you refer them to a counselor or something or help them out maybe refer them to something or because you guys still have conversion therapy it's still legal here it's not even legal in the West maybe they can go and speak to a Muslim counselor and that they can remove and expunge these thoughts from their minds and brains it's a possibility so I think that really if you want to how come go to your local however if it's somebody that is openly doing both the things there's too much of affecting you don't need Allah for that you know that's wrong to be with that person it's like having a gay friendly on it you're going to meet them all the time you don't know what they're thinking what they're doing taking pictures of you so let's take a picture together and what he does when you go home he says that picture what he's thinking what he's feeling and what she's thinking what she's feeling you're facilitating therefore so that's what I would say is that okay yeah yes sir and the thing is you need to realize just to Echo of what hijab said about your relationship should be one of dawah because in this Psalm there's a distinction between loving of and loving for so we don't love of me we don't love non-muslims from the point of view that we love the disbelief but we love for them you want goodness and guidance for them so your relationship if there's going to be one is that you want goodness and kindness for them and the goodness and guidance comes from where Islam how do you bring them to Islam you give them Dao and that's how you should frame the relationship however there are also conditions but speak to your local dilemma but generally speaking some of those conditions include that in the process of giving dollar they're not giving doubt to you to the degree that you basically come closer to their ideology because there is a way of dealing with that that destructive doubt or that issue by actually distancing yourself we're moving away from the source of the shupa which is sometimes very important especially you don't have the skills the tools or if your heart is a little bit weak so it is context based but generally speaking your relationship should be one of doubt um just a small dog came into my mind with regards to the responses given to the marriages first thing was mentioned that if there's no force or coercion or any dislike from either side it would be okay but um wouldn't that be similar to the harm Theory and the second thing is that um if it's if it's correct according to the old and all of changes over time wouldn't that be the same thing as a historical change hence going back to the secondary argument as opposed to the primary argument yes that's a very good question in fact because we need to differentiate between the harmful theory of liberalism and the maxim which says by the way is not to be used against the katanas let me explain what I mean effectively if you do Jihad or if you do a physical struggle okay you'll get harmed or the chances of you getting harmed is very high no one can say well there's a maximum Islam which says which overrides the nas which the clear text of the Quran foreign you dislike it and you could dislike something which is good for you and you can hate something which is bad you can you can you can hate something which is good for you and you can dislike something which is bad for you and Allah knows and you don't know which shows you what it shows you that you cannot use this principle to override the nuts but this principle is used in conjunction within us so for example in situations like this where you in marriage and stuff like that sometimes you require of it's true so to see is it possible is it not possible because for example he mentions very clearly that when is it that the woman is a Malik scholar he says that when is it and the many other Scholars like him when is it that the woman because you can effectively do the betrothal before the person becomes per person like the person did when she was six it doesn't mean that he was actually being intimate with her and stuff like that as you guys know right but you can do that by the way some Scholars say you can do that with a boy as well actually and you can marry a boy to a girl like oh boy but when they get older the scholars say that you know you can they have a chance and they use for example sometimes use the Hadith to stack them that the Virgin is to be asked and so on but that's a different story the point of the matter is this is that these situations they say they all use a Arabic these are just interchangeable words meaning ability that's the word they use it seems therefore that the barbit or the principal at play for marriage in particular according to Scholars and this is before liberalism or anything was in fact when the woman is capable to have sex then she's okay then she would have sex some will argue when is she capable of having sex well Allah says ask the people of knowledge if you don't know the family knows the doctors know the psychologists know they can make estimation whoever tries to be a doctor and he's not a doctor and he is and he harms somebody he is actually responsible for that literally Islam is one of the only religion which actually gives some level of authority to doctors so it's true to say that yes the the there is a harm principle in Islam but it's not the same harm Principle as these guys because these guys they're making it the ultimate morality for us the ultimate realities this is subsidiary in conjunction with the ultimate morality and is used to inform the rather than to create them and for them the harm principle is you're creating the how come from this it's true that it's an area of similarity in the sense that both liberalism and Islam talk about harm physical and psychological harm but liberalism bases its entire tradition or moral theory based on it Islam uses it to refine or inform pre-existing Divine commands that have been said by Allah is that answer your question oh yeah by the way the issue with which is one of the things as mentioned by the scholars and the first of all the Earth is based on Islamic civilization it's not that the alpha is not nevadorf of the calf the the kuffa because I know the word Cafe has some different implications Arabic language means this Believer by the way civilization has changed therefore we must adjust ourselves based on civilization or change it's based on those areas of the Sharia which are not already and which informs certain process and transactions and it's only based on the Islamic one not in the Islamic civilization not the non-islamic civilization but the Ishmael the scholars no one says you can follow in fact it says uh I'm not going to mention that this is talking about come they're comparing or or trying to imitate the disbelievers narrations grow your bed and trim the mustache and differentiate yourself from the Jews and Christians differentiate yourself first clearly Islam wants to differentiate itself from the customs of the other civilizations okay uh this is going to be the last question sorry to everyone I know there were many more questions uh so the sister is asking how do we work with other religious groups on these issues probably LGBT and stuff because obviously there are people of uh of other faiths that find themselves in this sort of conundrum especially amongst the minority Faith communities who still believe in Traditional Values but at the same time they might still change their views over time whereas we have each Ma so how do we go about working with them how do we do it what do we do in that situation to be honest with you the idea of working with others is already I feel almost a defeatist mentality not not to say it shouldn't be done in some capacity I'm just saying that I don't necessarily like the idea of working with joining hands and stuff like that because look if you look in the history of the world you'll find that we are strongest when we are self-dependent and self-sufficient I'm not giving a how come here because this could be a hug me thing a fairly thing the scholars May differ talk about Interfaith discussions I'm not even talking about this I'm just talking about the the the nuts here I'm talking about the discussions about the of the scholars and of Allah and the messenger like for example standing in the night times is self-sufficiency from people so we should Allah said the upper hand is better than the lower hand working with people sometimes it necessitates that we we have to fulfill their conditions that we have to please them that we have to say things which we can't be as free in our discussion it necessitates that we have to tell you of them sometimes even worse some people they and there are issues here there's not I'm not certainly advocating this America in the 1920s and 30s they had a policy of isolationism in this policy led to their growth so when they entered into World War II they were able to dominate and actually get their allies to win but had it not been for their self-sufficiency and their self-dependence they wouldn't have been able to do that it's the mentality I'm not talking about the Hokum what is this that's not my business it's about my pay grade no talk about that I'm talking about the mentality that we must have is a mentality of self-sufficiency a mentality of self-dependence and so actually in terms of politics [Music] it's a political decision not to oppose somebody so for example if there's a conservative group of Christian people that are also anti-anti whatever it is homosexual policies or whatever the encouragement of the children all that stuff and all Jewish people I'm not sure they've got a big minority of Jewish people here or any other even African traditionalists whoever it may be who are advocating Auntie whatever his policies it's a political decision not even to disturb them or attack them you're allowing them not attacking them as a decision as much as attacking them or uniting with them as a decision or collaborating with them so in terms of formal collaborations where we share podiums and stuff like that and we hold hands and those kind of things it has its advantage and has its Advantage but in terms of the factory ruling you'd have to refer to your local ultimate and I know it's a contentious issue nothing Allah to everyone for attending and we really would like to thank our guests for the sacrifice they made for sharing with us as a human experience may Allah bless them in this world and the Hereafter and on behalf of ipci we just have some gifts for both the brothers sorry about that I'm not sure what's inside there uh yeah yeah go ahead so just like a lot to everyone for attending and I hope you guys benefited I really really did so we're gonna I think 10 more minutes for tea and then we're gonna go for the Isha Salah next door uh in in the in the jamaat Khan at Allen right