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Streaming Controversies and Islamic Integrity

Salam alikum how are you how are you man I'm doing good I'm back in the land of Shan back in Miami I haven't spok to you since Ramadan how are you alhamdulillah I'm great what what is the the uh recent controversy that that you're in you know are used to you being in controversy is it it uh I see when you say what controversy I'm in I don't know which one you're talking about I'm always in something there's always something going on so you there's like three or four things you can speak about right now yeah Subhan Allah this is the thing sometimes I'm just scrolling at Twitter and I see some people attacking you randomly or something like that people always talking about you for some reason think it's is the fact that your name is viral maybe that's why they're using you as a as a means you know I think a lot of these people are envious and it is really sad sometimes where where you have a streamer at least he's doing something or trying to do something good in a way you know you spend the whole month of Ramadan like it doesn't matter what kind of view they have against you like no one can come say you know someone spending a whole month collecting money for charity for Palestine is not is not doing good you know and these streamers who are or these people generally criticize you like what kind of good have have we seen them doing what kind of Charity kind of collections that they have been doing in in the last how many years you know these people have millions like thousands tens of thousands of dollars so it's really surprising sometimes when I see people attacking you uh for oh you're doing this you're doing that yeah I mean I don't really see it too important to compare I I'm trying to think think about the audience so I see people get really upset when I talk about my refusal to take a gambling deal because they see it as a reflection of their own actions but I'm not I when I talk about that it's not trying to be a personal attack on these on these people I'm just trying to I want the audience to know that you don't need to go sell out your morals and you know what's better for the world is is that you make the right decision and I maybe I could do that in a more gracious way I'm trying to approach this content thing more stoically uh with more stoicism but what's your perception but um yeah we'll do the debate review but what's your what's your overall perception on on how I've been handling things and how do you think I could do better and make it more Islamic but you know we kind of had like a brief kind of talk about that last time you know in a way right it's like it's impossible to live in the world you're living in and make it Islamic right it's like the best you could do is to do as best as you can which is what I can think I can see you trying to do essentially right as as much as possible you're trying to avoid to bring like these women that is you know what doing all of this you know Pro prostitute kind of activities online or this or that you're trying to avoid doing that for example you're trying to bring people who are more educating the people on an intellectual level because you know something which is really funny is like you do not need to be number one a clown number two using women's in order for you to get views and I think the fact that the whole Western World in a way the whole streaming World think you have to either do one of these two things in order for you to get views is pathetic it's honestly the most pathetic thing I've have seen it is an admit of defeat in every in every level you know it's an admit that these people have got nothing intellectual to offer have got no no real benefit to the world that they can put forward that's why they have to rely on using women or have to rely on acting in the most ridiculous crazy type of you know childish manner because this is what gets the clicks like and you know I don't I I'm not I don't like using myself as an example but it's not even just me or any anyone in general you see people Brothers doing dawa and you'll see them on live streaming and you'll see them with with an average of 7 8K people watching and there's no women's in there's no women in the screen there is no uh you know jumping like a clown making monkey noises acting like you're homosexual and and you know like getting all of these you know physical objects out the screen to show someone's butt yeah all of these like crazy stuff that you're about to do right now yeah so there is no need for any of that in order for you to get uh people interested because you're offering value the difference is you're actually offering value to the world you're offering you're offering information you're helping people who are who are looking for answers for certain questions you're educating people you're educating the world you're giving them information you're giving them benefit and they're curious about these things that's why these people are watching so I I honestly think it's it's pathetic when people think that I need a woman H not just a woman I need a woman to be very specific there because it's not about the woman let's see if they going to bring a woman in hijab bka or something you going to put her in the Stream for views they're not going to do that because that defeats the purpose right it's not about the woman it's about using the woman's body in that in that way for for the the viewers who are sadly pathetic most of the time and got nothing going on in their Liv so they need to see a woman in the screen because they have no real interaction with women in real life so they end up watching this stuff and then getting you know excited by watching you know whatever kind of things that appear on the screen and I think this is pathetic first because they are using their viewers because they know this woman that comes on the on the screen they're using her as an object to get content and then they're using their views the weak uh mentality of their views and the fact that they're not able to get anything so that's why they keep screaming bring us a woman in the scream where is the girls where is the girls where is the girls 24 hours I think it's just pathetic honestly this this whole scene this whole kind of streaming world in the west is pathetic this this is the least I could say I mean that's the that's the game of entertainment and you know I did a month straight and they speak about that a month straight of just doing da completely Halal content like even refrain from things like music we're just a month speaking to shakes speaking to students of knowledge like yourself having uh Islamic conversations and then they don't talk about for a month straight and then for people to still insinuate like I'm in meca I'm literally streaming in Medina like in a all the way over there with half the viewers that I I have in America because it's you know it's my religion and people still call me fake Muslim but I don't really it doesn't really affect me anymore I I'm I'm at the point where I'm just trying to to add something good to this conversation because I know how the entertainment is is I people want to see that you know you're gonna have to comp ultimately you do have to compromise a Halal completely to be able to Garner a good audience right like for example think about like the ads that show up some of them are Haram right if you're going to be scrolling and looking at Twitter there's going to be music playing you're going to be cursing sometimes it just happens if you do debates and stuff like that you're going to be speak at the kafer or there's going to be women like you it's there's some semblance of free mixing in order to be a good Entertainer Entertainer you do have to compromise to some extent don't you agree yeah so I kind of disagree and agree in the same time like I'll explain why like for example you say you have to speak someone who's not a Muslim that's not Haram from Islamic point of view I encourage that's what that is right if I if I need to speak to someone who's not a Muslim H you say for example you have to speak to women okay there's a difference between I speak to women on on my live streams but they have their cameras off and I have a discussion with them about what they actually believe and they actually think and not how their body looks and you know what what they're wearing today you know it's not what the stream is about right so it's not about also not talking to women you can also talk to women but it it's about the idea of why are you talking to him and what what what is the reason you're using them you talk about for example scrolling right whatever you follow is most of the time what the algorithm is about to show you what you click on is what the what the algorithm is going to recommend to you most of the time so if you click on my YouTube if you open my YouTube for example all is going to appear is the Islamic content this this person this shh this person this is what it's going to appear right this person and doing da this is what it's going to appear this if this is what you watch this is what what YouTube would recommend for you for example right and certain apps I don't use at all like for example Tik Tok because it's like whatever who doesn't matter what you follow they're trying to show you something they're trying to funnel you into some kind of you know prostitution online for women or this this they're trying to do either way whatever you're trying to do that's why I don't even have it on my phone exactly that's why I don't even have it on my phone because it's it's all a plan to do that so uh there is a level of in Islam we don't have this idea of compromise we don't need compromise because Islam allows you all the room that you need the only need time you need compromis is Islam is not perfect enough that it allows you the room that you need right so the point is Islam has the room all the room that you need you don't need to compromise you don't need to change you don't need to do anything in that way but but this is what I was telling you look I'm speaking again from an Islamic point of view and I told you before last time that you're kind of coming from a complete different world you are within a complete different world you live in a complete different state so you will have to kind of you're in the end if you want to continue what you're doing there has to be a mixture but you're you're decreasing it as much as you can which is a very respectful and honor honorable thing and I hope in the end you're able to kind of make it the best way possible you know when you're able to yeah avoid it I am trying my best and I was wondering did did you get the chance to watch the the debate with uh the 2v one debate with xqc and uh Destiny well I honestly did I I you know I tell you something funny I had someone like DM me like not not long ago like today I I was just crawling and I found it and someone said s had a debate with this person about and please tell him not to do this not do that and I was I'm thinking like okay you know like it's funny at the same time they're thinking I'm going to call you okay brother what what are you doing I understand this is the thing I understand you've got this passion to speak about Islam which is good like to tell people about Islam and to also educate your viewers to speak to these kind of lost YouTubers about like what Islam is and and a purpose of life and and that you shouldn't live you know and you wife is cheating on you and you're leaving you and you're asking for girls feet and stuff shouldn't be doing this stuff you know you should you should be actually yeah you should actually be living a good life and getting married and having children and and living like an actual human being right so so I appreciate you do doing that and I understand but sometimes you have to as I said you have to educate yourself a little bit on the topics and and the points that you make so we can watch it in I didn't watch the full thing but we can watch it and I didn't get a chance because okay I thought you were going to be able to watch I honestly there's not really we could show some highlights but it's 30 minutes it's just it's a waste of time instead of like I could it um I could ask you like what's the most effective way to um to answer you know no no I think I think we can watch it and I'll tell you why we can watch it because I think you can benefit from it like I want to see how you respond and then also I want to show you the tactics that they use it's up to you of course in the end but I want to show you the tactics that they would use with you and your speaking I think it can be highly beneficial not just for you but for the people watching as well okay um I'll bring it up right now it's on it's on Twitter it's it's around 30 minutes though um and I am I'm supposed to call um we're supposed to call somebody at 8 o' yeah no problem what you can do is you can put it if you like on X2 or something and then we can you know okay perfect listen to it quickly hopefully you can catch what these people are saying I can't be against you if you're not gay like so no it's intention that's I see it's not just intention a difference in um application because he'll say because he say even if the intention he say thetion is deted because he's saying if he knew you were gay he wouldn't say the word right when you put that's what I was saying with the preface like oh dude um I see the clip I person can understand on x2 by the way I don't know about your viewers but most of the stuff I watch on x2 this is how how how I operate usually I know but these guys like they already speak in next to they do that without even the the speeding up thing so I get what you saying dudes I think that intent is drawn there like am I delusional here or like no what are you talking about so is it intention or the word because who the joined clearly C so the word of the intention why do we say clear there's nothing clear about that how do we know that he he just said that's what I'm saying I have a gay brother if somebody says they don't that means they don't since when has that ever been the standard by which we determine somebody's like feelings this Grand Finale 2024 yeah well I'm asking youc you're so is it the intention or is it the word because where do you draw the line uh I I think I think I try to be reasonable about about the uh intention based on what I have um in front of me if I do feel like the because in is impossible to prove right and that was not a court of law but it's like you have a general feel it's what the target was I don't want Community hear it I why why do you draw the line for the word with your community but you can call your fans broke you could say you want to kill cheer you could say Thug so why why is why did you isue so okay okay so first question I want to ask you um Muhammad Ali is it ham to use words like well if you're just using it generally I I don't think I wouldn't say that's necessarily Haram you know it's look using a term generally is very different as well from specifically using it against someone right these are two two separate things so uh you know demeaning and degrading people of course I think you know this is not necessarily A Halal Behavior to take with anyone you know specific individual trying to demean them and because in the end even if your goal is you actually care about people that you want good for them you don't want them to start having a defense Shield against you because you're insulting them rather than actually listening to you and open up and changing their perspective so I would say it's more of a ripple effect if you use these terms with these individuals okay what about the idea of home I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to to defend that isn't hard isn't that engrain in not just Islam but all religions the idea because if you look up the definition it's having negative attitudes or a negative attitude toward yeah they changed the definition actually uh but are these still going to talk about if they are then let them finish everything and then I'll make some comments I don't with the thing I think that was kind of but um the other thing I think one is because is it something that um all this is more of a worldview thing right is something that you can change right isn't that people agree that you should you that you shouldn't hit somebody on is it like a protected class are are broke people or or or or let's say um as an insult even don't going out right is that like a marginalized group in that way margin okay so you can being like you can stop doing that right you can't when you call him a thug he can't change the skin color he's always going to be black about it's not it's not so we're using protected class but usually it's a proxy for like these things probably shouldn't be bad things so if you make fun of somebody for being broke right usually it's because being broke is a bad thing nobody wants to be broke broke people don't want to be broke you make fun of somebody for being fat well nobody wants to be fat like even fat people don't want to be fat you make somebody for being well the implication is that like being be bad the same reason that uh get offended when you say that word is because they don't actually want to be the Reon they get offended is because they think that other people are loading that word in a really negative way and they're being hateful with it no it comes from a deep rooted shame that they're never going to be accepted for who they are that's not the reason is that why are most is that why Muslim are the most fragile people on the internet then make their religion they get so ass mad about it that they come out and they attack every they see in a comic book that's not true because you're still walking around and you've made fun of this slot if that were true because I live in United States of America thank God but no what I'm asking so then would you say every time a Muslim lashes out at somebody because you make fun of the religion it's a deep seated Shame about it no I'm saying that the reason that XC draws a line there it's not because of this morality thing because nobody wants to be fat nobody wants to be broke nobody want wants to be a Muslim why do they get so funny when you make fun of that's what' you say yeah I was just saying stop there just to address this this kind of ridiculous nonsensical claim this blueair guy is making right so he's trying to say he's trying to equate a personal shame to a a defense of a an idea ideology an ideology is not something that is you your this is this is now the false equivalence that he's making in analogy right right so when we say for example when a Muslim get angry he gets angry for because he has a belief in a specific ideology and he believes this ideology is true and then he believes that you are misrepresenting or or showing this ideology in a way which it shouldn't be so they're passionate about an ideology that they believe in but in the example that you made there's a sense of shame because it's a personal thing now someone come come and say okay but religion is a personal thing yes but this is not is the difference is it's an ideology that he believes in it is not an action that he's engaging when as engaging with as a human being so if I'm if I'm ashamed for example if I do gambling or or you know I steal or I do any of these things this is a personal action that I personally do not just an ideology that I believe in these are two separate things so there is a false equivalence that he's making there but in the end no one is saying Islam is not teaching you to get angry if just anyone is talking about Islam as well this is another strong man that he's making in this analogy so uh Islam doesn't teach if someone speaks about Islam then you just go around and do whatever this stuff is saying so that's not Islam it doesn't work that false equivalency happened I noticed that a lot um not just with these blueh hair people with all of them isn't their religion because humans are always inclined to follow something they need faith in something don't you think that LGBT and this whole you know that craziness that's become their faith and their religion that's why they compare it to Islam yeah you you can say that you can say it it has become an ideology for certain people to adopt but but if you're talking about the sense of Shame it's not to do with the ideology like if you call them that they don't feel ashamed because of their ideology of lgbtqs being attacked but is of their personal Behavior personal actions and interaction in that specific act that they're ashamed of doing okay has nothing to do with what we're talking about that people don't you said that people get offended for being gay because they're Creator people get offended by being called Muslim Muslim the way he debates C is he's going to equate being Muslim to being gay nobody gets offended if if a Blu hair Destiny calls me a Muslim nobody's offended right if I say if I call somebody gay and you're not gay they'll get offended because nobody wants to be gay not they're not offended they don't want to be around people that are hateful they're upset because you're being hateful towards them the same way get offended when you talk about their religion in also I think I think that that they they have kind of the right to be upset right to be kind of they can't change right no it doesn't have can't change or can change you can change your nationality it doesn't necessar mean you should attack somebody over their nationality you can change the country you're living in or whatever it's a well that that's that's gonna it's gonna how let's like like my view on it it's like I I I I don't think it's it's a good thing you go around just being who you are and getting clapped on other for it I think it's just I think it can feel bad but I mean like insults are supposed to feel bad but the question the question is like what do you want to make somebody feel bad for right if it's a bad characteristic so if you think somebody's jly bad because they're like a Nazi or tanky or a broky or they're fat or whatever those are all like bad characteristics then you say like oh well yeah you can make fun of people for these things if you're making fun of somebody for being gay the implication is you think that being negative bad characteristic and that's why you're being bad for it that's why the person but that's the question I want to ask you is it Islamic to believe that being yeah before we talk about before we take before we talk about bad and good there is there is there is an argument that this guy the other guy is making I don't know who's like his speech is not really clear this the this guy the argument is's trying to make is that it is a natural thing to be it's not Choice you're born that way yeah and being gay is a choice yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this is the thing this is that what you were saying but he's he's he's rebutting that by saying it's a problem to shame someone for being them themselves right but where's the argument where's the evidence that he provided that being uh natural thing the natural state of the human being where where is the evidence scientific or otherwise that shows that and by the way I me as a Muslim or you or anyone doesn't need to to to give evidence for anything because they're making the claim that this is an innate position you are making the claim it's an inate position to be homosexual then provide your evidence where is the evidence that this is the in state like no one is going to argue is that is being heterosexual is innate or not because it's the biological thing and a man and woman engage they they have birth there's a specific uh you know body parts that are created and they're supposed to be in Harmony in a specific way that God created them to be that's that is the biological thing that takes place but if you want to claim now that that something other than that is is natural then where is your evidence for that the funny thing is that there is evidence opposite to that so right now if you try to Google for example you open another page and try to Google 2019 uh no gay gene nature magazine no gay there's no gay but genetics are linked to same seex behavior no no put put nature magazine there's a specific research that was published in nature I hope it's still there and they didn't remove it something yes so this is nature magazine yeah no one anyone who understands anything about science knows what nature is so there was a massive study billions of dollars paid or millions or however that they did in the West trying to find the gay gene why did they try to find the gay gene because they tried to justify the fact that that being gay is actually genetic is actually something you don't have a control over and you're forced to be that way and they spend these millions of dollars these studies and they end up they end up themselves admitting that there's no such thing there's no gauging it doesn't exist and now so this is the first thing the study the studies themselves they're making is showing that there's no such thing but not only that there are studies opposite to that like for example there's a book uh written by two scientists called my genes uh made me do it my genes made me do it you can Google it also if you like that book has a lot of different studies and and and they display why this is not a an inate thing and some yeah and some of the same thing like depression like that that whole idea that it's a chemical imbalance was debunked thinking that it's something depression is not something that you just cash it's something that you choose to do and and some of what what they do for example some of the evidences they use they bring identical twins you know what identical twins are identical twins are are almost similar 100% in their genetic makeup and then they bring one twin who is homosexual and the other isn't so how is it a genetic thing when when they are they basically have almost the same genetic makeup but one of them is is homosexual and the other is not the other is straight and they have the same environment of growing up in so these these are some of the evidences they display that this is not a natural thing right so this is a book there's even a study a massive study that was done but but it was too against polit being a political thing you know it was against the the liberalism that's why they had to take it down it was a study of Dr Robert Spitzer which is the father of modern modern psychology in America and what he did is he did he conducted a study spoke to 200 uh on the phone poor guy both of them both of them yeah both of them changed to hetosexual Tendencies all of them sorry changed the heterosexual Tendencies 200 people how and it was he spoke to them that's it what what did he tell did he give him dollar was he Muslim no no he he is a a psychologist he's the father of modern psychology in America actually it's not just a random guy his name is Robert Spitzer and he conducted the study but he called it a reparative treatment IE repairing something something which which is which is needs to be repaired that's why he was attacked by the media and he had to change the name from reparative treatment and later on he had to come on and retract the whole study and say you know what the study was deficient why did he say it's deficient he said because you cannot know uh just through the phone if they actually have become heterosexual or not and you cannot know when someone is truly homosexual or not some nonsense to try to avoid the fact that this the findings of the study that he spent years on of speaking to 200 people and all of them have changed into heterosexual Tendencies and and you know you know before the 1960s by the way he was a psychological disorder now this is not my opinion this is in every medical textbook before the 1960s before the liberalism and and the sexual quote unquote Revolution and all of the stuff that that happened this was a psychological disorder and and and they always tied it the psychologist at that time they they tied it [Music] to so for example lack of Father Figure when you're growing up abuse something or they had sex they're exposed or or they parent or they don't have a father figure in in their in their family for example growing with with just a mother all of these things uh have been the the common factor that has been used in all of these studies before the 1960s when the 1960s came and it became being gay at criticizing it has become politically politically a sin incorrect to do in the Western World then no one was allowed to to label it as such and and and gender and then you had people like Joe money and you have people like uh you know these people are coming and Alfred Kenzie who came and said you know what there gender is a social construct you know and also I think he was Jewish correct alri Ken yeah yeah so these people look it's funny when you trace sometimes you know people come from lineage wise you know it's a different story for a different day but the thing is this right they they propos this nonsense about the gender is not really you know we don't know what a man these are all madeup Concepts you know you had Jo money and these people conducting studies are actually trying to get babies like and children who are like so so it was crazy crazy stuff you know but the thing is look so right now I I've provided you like different types of Articles and evidences that demonstrates there's no such thing right I I don't even need you you've debunked like pretty much the rest of the the debate um I just before I interrupting you I'm sorry but he goes on to say like their position is their moral because I I go I was trying to give them dawa my argument was that all my morality all my beliefs to go back to the Quran sunna Halas that's it just Quran sunna that's that's how you need to have something that hasn't changed in order to figure out right from wrong can you can you skip then the part that where they're talking about the g into into when they get to the age of uh marriage of the Prophet yeah the age of and this and that right but so so I I just want to like their position is that the morality is always adapting it's always changing it always changes with the times and that's how it could be a consistent because if once's if one year and one decade it's mental illness and then the other decade is not then you're always going to shift and it could easily be corrupted because mankind is or we're inherently flawed let's go I think the AG the reason I'm trying to listen to them is see none of them can claim that we misrepresenting their position but taking the the words of the mo the horse's mouth you know take it from their own mouth and then debunk what they're saying u i I want to play this last one and then can I add um I want to add uh this this guy Steve will do it to the call is that okay with you yeah that's fine okay perfect he he's um not he's a disbeliever and he wants to learn a little bit more can add the anyone you want so like it's up to you you know I'm here it'sing or people internet just Jing Y what the I thought it was Haram to make insults I was just joking with you bro he just said I'm broke bro he made an exq C Joe you have more money than me man are you talking oh no no my my internet's still poor than yours okay it's um it's up I think up up you always go down it's up up well it's not overall mankind strives to be better once we know more we can change things sometimes textbooks are wrong like science and they have to fix it they know more they improve I try to adapt and add new parts on my machine to have a stronger machine it's what I do it's what I think people should strive to do so your morality could be different tomorrow than it is today absolutely 100% because there are things that we don't know yet about about human cognition psychology just uh social VI we just just don't know some things and we have to adapt to new information in order to even also even even religions literally do this okay like even religions update their standards for how they exist and how they um are are spread amongst their people and how their nations are ran over time like Islam's done this Christianity's done this no Islam has not done that that's not true and Christianity has been adapted but that's besides the point I'm saying mean Islam hasn't done this you don't think that Islam or Islamic States haven't changed the way for instance they approach like Dei like the way that they have like other religious groups that live in their countries like you're changing morality to politics and that's not what I'm talking about hold on I'm sorry wait wait wait wait shut up that's not politics at all what do you mean that of course that's morality there should be States you said muslim countries I'm talking about the book and theolog I'm sorry what do you think Muslim State means that's not involved in religion what do you think a caliphate is who do you think Muhammad was what the talking about okay you're you're you're Shifting the goalpost this is not like wa wait I just need to hear you say this do you think that politics and Islam are completely dissociated from one another they don't have anything to do with each other right you saying that it's changing that's a that's sort an example of politics changing the religion that's not that's not to the core and that's besides the point how is that besides the point I'm sorry hold on I need to hear you think the stop the video for a second look now here you need to notice the debate TXS I see you following for for easy tricks there which is a big problem right so this guy what he's done there is is a a very easy debate tactic that they use with people which is which is moving the goal post this is what he done I call it out I said it but I what should I what should I done the problem yeah I'll tell you the problem is you went with the flow with with whatever he said next you went with it you you responded to it so first he went from Islam to Islamic State right and then he went from Islamic State to politics and then he claimed the politics and Islam has nothing to do with each other who made that claim this you've never made that claim in the discussion so he jumped from one to three to four I think he keeps jumping in different hoops and changing his position why because he's a very sneaky guy and these sneaky people they use terms right and they try you know to combine different terms with each other so they play a game he knows that Islam and Islamic State are completely to different things that doesn't mean that that that in Islam we don't have a political system but what we mean is that the actions that the state does is not representatives of the religion this is the point yeah exactly which is the point that you were making so he was playing a game oh no no but some states are doing this so what if some states is doing something it doesn't mean that Islam has approved it and that's why these states are disagreeing with one another which is a proof by itself that they're not taking one source in how they behave right they're not taking the Quran and the sunah so how should I have done how should I have done better right because what I said was correct right yeah what you should have done is you should tell him you should stop jumping from this is you highlight what he done you say you jumped from this which is what I've done with you you say to him look you jumped from from first saying Islam into the political State and then jumping from the political states to politics and then claiming that politics is not part of Islam which is a claim I never made and you say to him let's stick to the first claim that we were talking about what is Islam ask him this question that's it what is Islam what defines when you say Islam changes you made the claim that the religion changes what is Islam what defines Islam and the Islamic teachings and don't tell me the state because this is not the definition of the religion Revelation the Revelation is taken by every muslim's believe from the sources which is the Quran and Hadith and these don't change these are written and 1,400 years ago and we have them today okay uh do you mind if I I want to I need to call Steve I'm gonna call him first and then can I add you to the call in about 15 20 minutes yeah that's fine that's fine thank you for for staying around I appreciate your time um no problem W's in the chat for Muslim lanter bro and we got it another day I'll call you earlier so that we can um do more of this review uh because I I I respect your your intellect quite a bit and I want to yesterday we had a Twitter space and they were suggesting that I I have more of these conversations frequently so they be able to to get the Reps and stuff like that because I just want to make sure that I represent Islam as well as I can because I'm a very new Muslim but I'm going to be doing these debates more yeah that's fine that's totally F and we can maybe next time talk about that the's age thing because we didn't address that and and I think it's a very ridiculous thing we can talk about it but but more in time because we are short of time I'll be waiting around if you need me inshallah when you talk to Steve yeah okay yeah CU he I want give him some daa so but I think it's going to be too much uh I don't want to bombard him with too you know no no no you're right okay great I'll call you right back okay no problem just Spam and W's by the way they like you okay alhamdulillah ald good guys that's why okay okay I don't U let's go to the AG age of part because that's the that's probably the best um that's the best part of the debate I make sure I don't scroll past it again sh I think you already did or no or up no maybe you go down I'm not sure no no it's down yeah here really I don't okay but why do you think that you stopped there at this word it's because being on Twitch I'm not saying that you have a contract for it but being on this website so long with people that run it that also don't believe in God they always they my apologies for the the music that was that's him follow your morality system always updating and it's always changing it has to it has to no and then then we start Toler in crazy things right if it always updates and changes we don't know where we draw the line update our morality like disy said people would be kids now and it would be accepted okay let me there if you if you can stop it for for a second look something very important there what he's proposing there is something uh he's not he's proposing that morality is is changing it's not it's not static it's not absolute it's not objective which means there is no morality this is it's a very important point that you should you should bring up because if I say yesterday I believed that stealing was wrong and today I believe stealing is right that means that stealing in itself is not right or wrong it just depends on the society and Community his community just told him today that you could have completely annihilated him with the statement that he made I know I'm mad that I didn't say that you're right there's an objective morality that exists outside of people's actions so the fact that it can change means that there is no morality exactly and and and and and when he makes the statement says that this is the case that the for example you could say to him that you go back before the 1960s what was the position to towards they were stoning them and they actually killing them publicly and then later on it changes because of the society so essentially he's saying if the society says something is right it's right and if it says something is wrong it's wrong so if society says it's okay to get married at the age of 10 it becomes okay if society says it's okay to do whatever it is incest then it becomes okay and you've got in the US now in certain courts people pushing you know cases of them wanting to do incest or or to get married to their but let's say to their sisters or to their MO mothers or whatever it is there are act actual coure cases on this yeah and then what's the answer when um I'm sure that's happened to you before when the age of comes up so wait I think it was a little bit earlier right Chad it was like someone give me the time stamp I think it's around here is is that a real question or is that a controlla that's a real question how do one second one second stop stop stop this very something important here something called Psych psycholog psychological issue here I don't know what you just asked him now but I'm sure you asked him a very good question because what he did is he wanted you to repeat the question and this happen psychologically is where you want to think about something like for for example you ask me a question I don't I don't have the answer straight away so I you asked to give youself more time to think exactly so go back what did you ask him that's very important I got the broky internet hold on hold on refresh it oh I got my bad my bad that's fine it was 113 yeah it was like I'll go to 1053 I just got to I know what I'm saying I got to find the full debate it was right sorry Chad sorry Chad this I'm going to open up in a new tab um right here I'm gonna open up here is that a real question or is that a control me life as a sin or not I make profit on my life off my lifestyle not off the sin off my lifestyle I just do my thing it is not Guided by some book or some scroll or some writing in the sky it's what I want to be doing so how do you what's the what's the response to that right there he he this is the same thing he is saying morality is subjective if morality is subjective depending on your own opinions there's no right and wrong if he says that X is wrong like whatever term he's saying using the word f a g is is wrong that's not objectively true that's just his opinion and your opinion can be the opposite to it and both of you can be right in a subjective morality world view there's no right or wrong you cannot say this statement is objectively wrong to be said so essentially if he says to you it's what I like there's no scripture there's nothing that holds my my objective morality then he cannot make any moral arguments against you there is no moral arguments you can make unless there's the objective standard you how do you know what's right and wrong if you don't get it from God ah you see you asked him the question about moral which is the most important thing where do you get morality from which is would be a very difficult question for the atheist because the atheist in the end has to think they don't think about this question and when they do they realize it's just from their society from their Community from their upbringing and from their own desires and that's why it's subjective and therefore he cannot tell you this is right or wrong anyways so I did kind of I did make the right points you asked the question but you didn't make the point okay about the fact that when he said to you that moral morality can be relative and this and that that then there is no morality then what's the point why you keep saying this is right or wrong anyways he cannot say right or wrong essentially a real question or is that a controler that's a real question how do you say you decide what's right and wrong how do you know what's just just just overall just morality values just overall World Views just just generally what I know about society and history and I try to have a good understanding soety so where does it come from because there's been a lot of people what' you say I I said did you see he just said just a bunch of nothing morality history way just words yeah because he had to think about it and then he ended up bringing no there's no answer I should have hammered it home harder here well let's see maybe I did I I don't remember what history yeah history so which historians are good which ones are bad what mean which ones are bad there's not the which ones I'm asking you you brought you're saying that that's where you get it from how do you know who's good and who's bad in history dude I should have navigate the world with what I know overall and get the as much as I can with what was taught to me what the schools tell me what society and I I to go above and beyond to I can learn more you get your morality from school for all the elements that I can if you if you think you're only your morality from some book that was written a long time ago I mean I you're you're bound to be maybe up outdated on some of it no what do you what do you respond to that yeah this is the point that that we're making right he he said you essentially said to him that you taken your M from school yes he's taking his Mor from society it's subjective now he's saying he's asking you a question actually it's a question of defeat then okay if you if you're bound to take your morality from a book then you're bound to be wrong yes if that book was not what God's word but this book is gorth and therefore it cannot be wrong in any way shape or form and whatever it is his objective morality God knows more you than you and me and by definition whatever he determines and says will always be true and always be right so so but in his worldview killing uh 2,000 years ago can be right but today is wrong slavery can be 2,000 years ago right but today is wrong because Society at that time decided that slavery is Right which means I should have brought up the the changing moralities of human moralities throughout history yeah and how in wait let's see what I said let's see what how am I doing what do you think you're doing okay but you're you're when you say historians for example this is not what you should you basically you should Hammer the correct point to people that like people cannot create immorality yeah instead of his yeah yeah no absolutely not I mean is not outdated that is your world view and I respect it I respect no and then and then we update it and like let's be RealD what version is that I said you update it I said you upd did it patch already yo what patch now I said you updated it and that's the reason why you're line no I did not update anything I don't I don't abide by it okay so but you didn't give me an answer to where you get your morality from so you're told told you from the information I given navigating the world that's it as much as I can from a lot of nating the world correct so it's always updating so it's always updating and it's always changing yeah at 100% yes it's always yes okay because he didn't Hammer the point you conceded but he didn't Hammer the point so he ConEd it but I didn't Hammer at home yeah no you no he just conceded that his morality is always updating but he didn't say the problem with the morality always updating so there's no argument made then okay cuz the man if you I like I like some of you guys like the word man and male is I think overall mankind strives to be better once we know more we can change things sometimes textbooks are wrong like science and they have to fix it they know more they improve I TR to adapt and add new parts on my machine a stronger machine it's what I do it's what I think people should try to do so your morality could be different tomorrow than it is today absolutely 100% because there are things that we don't know yet about about human cognition psychology just uh social VI we just don't know some things and we have to adapt to new information in order toally even also even even religions literally do this okay like even religion part we already talked about is it okay so I'm trying to get to the asan far what's the time time for AG yeah but the thing is you see he he said science and he made made a big huge compl a huge blunder there which is confusing science which is a a basically a a tool that we use to study the world and the reason it changes because not having enough information enough input regarding the specific thing for example you increase you know you have a number of data and then you need to increase it when you get more data you realize that your previous conclusion was incorrect morality is not the same like killing innocent people from the probably the first human being until today is it different it's not about like gaining more information morality is not relative in that sense that it changes based on the amount of data that you uh you know acquire and this is a huge blunder that he's making confus IMM morality with with the scientific method it's complete completely ignorant I would say MH okay um so well they give me the time stamp give me the time stamp ways Bronson for the 07:30 okay that's right 7:30 really yeah 7:30 thank H Co appreciate you bro yeah don't bail him out me answer why is wrong sneo because it's not how a relationship because God says it's wrong no that's really that's the reason why hold on so sne wa this is so easy so God tells you that like did with Muhammad or whatever you think that's okay then you change your mind on that tomorrow that's not what happened no no no I'm asking you if God tells you sneo I think okay then you would change your mind on it tomorrow has to be a justification for everything on God justify himself God has to justify it if you're talking about the need for a justification then that means something's not good because God says it it's only good because he's giving you whatever the justification is so God saying mean anything yeah I see he says a lot of words like in an emotional so what are you saying right here what's the response to this he's not wrong in in what he's saying in a in a way it's not he's wrong and he's not wrong at the same time meaning he caught you saying something wrong what did I say the idea which is the idea of the justification is needed justification needs to be given now the thing is what so so so we don't we don't we just follow God blindly yeah and I'm going to I'm going to comment this what I'm going about to explain now morality objectively which is what you said in the beginning which is perfect is that morality is based on the Quran and Hadith it's based on God morality is based on what God tells us to do now he asked you a question what if God says do this hideous act whatever hideous act it is now we say that this question itself is nonsensical it's a nonquit it's not incorrect it's not correct question logically why because the attributes of God by definition mean that he will never he will never command such a thing therefore this is a ridiculous argument just like can he create a rock that he cannot lift if he's all powerful then this question is nonsensical so the same he's making the same nonsensical question he trapped you with it there and then you change your position which is an issue you should know double down and say yes what whatever God commands is right but God will never command something wrong because of his nature of good nature just nature this is I felt for the Trap I didn't see it yeah and and and thing is is Allah says Allah does not order indecency do you say about Allah that which you do not know so Allah is telling us in the Quran Allah does not order that immorality or indecency because by definition his nature would by necessitate that he does not command these type of things so that question is is is irrational by itself and that's what I would would say say yes morat is objective yes yeah I know and I know I've debated him um so many times over the years that I know that's what he just shift the goal post and ask questions that kind of derail you from the topic but he does it so so often so fast and I'm debating two people at the same time I'm trying to go and speak to him about this word and his morality and then here it's like it's um it's a yeah okay let's just keep watch for what is bad no I said that and then he screams and laughs and this this the same thing that was happening with our friend a few minutes ago this is not how discussions happen you know there has to be a level of moderation you allow the other person to respond and speak you know but this happens usually people are afraid they want to trip you over essentially they don't want to allow you to have your time to speak they don't they they're talking over and interrupting me and like insulting so yeah yeah yeah okay because it's not a kid kid is you f for the Trap you f for the Trap sorry sorry no no no well I would have said that okay if he says if he agrees to this this idea that is based on con okay I'll ask him what is the definition of go Google right now according to the US law for example why is the definition of con I'll show you how vague the definition is because you know all of these problems happen in cases like this is a crazy thing to delete I mean to this is a crazy thing to search uh cons for something to happen or agreement to do something okay but it's not as simple as that continue there's more to the definition um give why the verb says give permission for something to happen Okay so so no but but they're not going to accept this definition because some definitions no you should say according to US law not just the definition of US law definition yes yes us of permission Express to affirmative voluntary words or actions that are mutually understandable to all parties involved to engage in a specific act at a time be withdrawn at any time as long as it is clearly communicated yeah so so even even that definition is different than the one I saw and this is the whole point when you Google when he says this is a very big term when he uses according to the law what is to the US law is not even agreed and and some some of the definitions they will say to you for example is is something to do with with you know being able to make a decision or something that and then they don't def Define how do we determine who's able to make a decision who's not able to make a decision we're not talking about the rest we're not talking about this is agreed upon we're saying in general when do you determine that someone is able to make his decisions and if you just say that is agreeing to something then this can happen from for anyone in at any age when they're able to communicate essentially so this definition itself is problematic you you see so when he ever uses the term this is this is an issue you have to Define to us I was the one who brought it up though because I fell into the Trap and I'm just like yeah yeah yeah yeah so I wouldn't even go into that debate to be honest but I know it's a pointless debate I should have stuck to H yeah so the defense here is God is all perfect so the question is nonsensical he wouldn't ever ask us to do something that is disgusting because God is all perfect that that situation would never come about God is all yeah his attributes his attributes basically whatever God does is based on what God is God's attribut is perfect Maxim perfect attributes loving just Etc so if this is the case then you don't do anything opposite to these attributes by definition job so don't good job me it goes down to what what we see from God if God created no because you don't there's no purpose there's no purpose for a man to kiss another if you need a b who tell you not kids I don't know what to tell you okay but most people can figure out why it's wrong on their own and you got the answer the end which is good need that which is good which is good you got the the end which is good which is good which is good which is you that question and now we're just talking over each other because uh but you can't you got to stay stoic completely um o overall like most of the time I did but yeah you need that book because you compared you compar make him answer this question no no hold on why is it then that which can be practiced between two consenting adults why should that be a bad thing the answer is because Allah says it's wrong exactly and we what did we where did we say morality is coming from It's Always we Trace always go back to Allah but I fell into the Trap last time of saying so now I have to give like the societal answer instead of the that it all goes back to Allah even even this this stupid us definition about be withdraw at any time this and a woman she was drunk and then she says no I actually cons didn't consent problems happening in law it's a whole big problem actually if you want to search that even medical operations when is a patient in a is in a in a you know psychological state was he able to to be okay to continue the operation or not it's whole people think these are just word just don't understand what it means no no there is legalities behind it because there is laws behind it as well yeah I know people in the chat like oh we all know what is what is it exactly because the fact that they can withdraw defition exactly and also if women can't drunk but like men who are drunk and have sex like they never are able to withdraw doesn't happen the definition does make a l of sense what if she's deaf what if like she's mute and she can nod her head does that count what if at the time there's it's not a consistent answer so yeah you you do bring up a good point always so the answer for these disbelieving questions that always goes back to Allah that God created um to the moral questions yes the moral question is always back to Allah and and and the fact is any athis you can ask this is the their destruction of their worldview because none of them can give you an objective standard for Morality In the End all of them will say morality is subjective in any way depending on society their own opinions whatever answer they give and that would mean there is no morality because it's just your opinion and my opinion can be different to your opinion the same thing can be right or wrong depending on who says it and which society you live in and if this is the case then you cannot make moral judgments about other people can only say I think this you cannot go to sne and say sne this is wrong what you're doing or what you Muslims are doing but you you don't have a moral authority to make objective claims about morality about other people it's not a bad thing it's just not right there's no purpose that it's serving what are you doing that for the purpose it's serving is two people that love each other might want to be in a relationship and build a relationship and build a household and do that together that might be something they want to do it doesn't serve great you stop do you know what I would have brought up in there I'll say fantastic okay a brother and a brother love each other and incest argument yeah yeah yeah but you know it's wrong this is his argument now I'll use the same kind of justifications he used and by the way he can never give you a reason why is wrong and if he says birth that's why I said the brother and a brother they're not going to have kids so you could bring all of this stupid argument oh child isn't going to be deformed and this and that you can even use contraceptions but I'll tell you a brother and a brother I'll be very generous with you okay what if a brother and a brother want to engage in that behavior and he will end up saying it's okay by the way and I can assume individuals like this they don't care they will say yeah it's fine so then don't come and tell us is right I should have brought yeah I'm so annoyed now okay every single thing in your life has to serve a greater purpose exactly no what's the answer to that did I I answer correctly well you are but you are given it from a Muslim point of view right so it's a correct answer but but obviously for them to accept the answer first you have to establish Islam is the truth and then this idea the world view of Islam becomes true as well do you get what I'm saying so it's not going to work as an argument against them essentially because I haven't established that yet yes yes it was a question it was a question it was a question you answer it was a question you ask you a question he's just mumbling around heing no yeah everything I I said everything has to fulfill a greater purpose why would you do anything me for no reason sneo sneo you bring the book a lot and whatever you read a lot you you reference that a lot into what's good and wrong but I don't think that book told you set the Red Rock gamble I think that's like usually called the Haram I don't think people yeah at hominum attack he saw me at the casino last year okay okay I think you should do that in in that book does it so why' you do it then gambling is a sin so why'd you do it then because I'm not no muslim is perfect like that's okay so you so you pick and choose and then you you choose what how wrong you're going to be and then you dictate what people should be doing based on that same book then no we should we should we should strive to be perfect right so that was an example of me sinning and I don't publicize those sins because I know that we have an audience and it's important that we do the right thing the difference only that you don't values yourself that's kind of that's going to like that's grifting that's you're just a grifter it's not grifting it's taking responsibility to promote the right things no no that's that's I don't think you know what that word means xcc the difference between me and you is that I'll sin like there's a lot of things that I don't publicize but you profit off of it like you you make a lot of money you make millions of dollars selling sin and I don't and we should take the responsibility to not do these things do I sin every day of course see because I don't I don't see Life as a sin or not I make profit on my life off my lifestyle not off the sin off my lifestyle I just do my thing it is not Guided by some book or some scroll or some writing in the sky it's what I want to be yeah you see the thing there and this is the whole point right he makes up his own morality right he's the god of his own self essentially he's saying I determine what that's what the Quran says have you seen the person who took his desire as his own God his desire is what determines for him what is right and wrong but the thing is he says it's just me know he not just you anymore when you're making a content for hundreds of and millions people that listen to you you are influencing them they take you as a role model they like you they they take their political views from you take their World Views from you so when you tell them about uh doing this wrong things or you do it in front of them it just normal number one it normalizes them in the Society number two it encourages them to do it while if I do it in secret it's still wrong but this is if between me and God in the sense that I'm not going to influence other people with the behavior of the sin that I'm doing I'm trying to work with myself trying to get better and that's why Islam teaches that that you should not publicize the sins and Prophet said that people will be forgiven except those who make their sins public because they influence the society they normalize the sin and they encourage others to do it so what I what should I have said there like there exactly I was just telling you okay that the prop when he says that that no no that when he says this is just me I live my life you tell him no that it's not it's not just you you're influencing millions of people who watch you that you are a role model fall that that that you encourage them to do this thing and you Norm normalize it for them and you profit off of it yeah but then he will say this is not right or wrong and then we'll come back to the idea then how do you determine right or wrong if this is just your opinion of what is right or wrong then you just was was was the problem in telling people to go do things against the law obviously we're not encouraging anything against the law but we're saying what is the wrong then in telling people the most extreme things then if there's no right or wrong if it's just your opinion and my opinion then I can say whatever I want to my viewers and anyone can say whatever they want but this whole discussion is just pretending that you using that word is a whole big problem but it's okay to you know encourage people to gamble and do all of these different things but to say a word uh for a specific group of people now is become the end of the planet and that's why you know for you remember I was mentioning this in our setting that in the west the smallest thing becomes the biggest things and the biggest things become like it's okay oh I wish I said that argument wah that would have been oh my just fell out my chair that's perfect how are you not going to like how are you going to draw morality at a word but not influencing Millions to gamble yes yes that's the perfect evidence of your Ever Changing morality and how it adapts and why you need something that's right from wrong because the fact that you draw the line that's just saying a a mean word but not influencing your audience to go and lose their money gamble oh you're oh okay okay so let's go to the marriage question this is at uh at 19 minutes you're good you're good you're good you're good you're good um next time we need a earpiece no I don't you know what we'll just we'll have these conversations more often in this is good in wellity this is [ __ ] C this is [ __ ] I don't know what the [ __ ] you're doing in here okay so you can leave the call I wanted to go talk about this word I to leave the call I like hanging out here I'm talking a lot if if you can stop there okay what' you say like I I just said if you I wanted to make a comment this this blue-haired individual is one of the biggest leeches I've seen in my life I think this individual he's got no motion by himself he has to go and insert himself in any type of discussion or talk about anything he the reason he attacked Islam is this is trying to gain some relevancy he was dying his wife left him no one cares about him so then he's got he's got to insert himself in any type of conversation it seems like you're trying to talk to the other guy yeah know he does this a lot it's a it's repetitive Behavior it happened uh when we were speaking about Zionism last year Nick fent is my friend he was uh getting a lot of popularity on fresh and fit and then Destiny weasles his way in like oh he's like the hall monitor of debates and so I knew he was going to do this because I called I wanted to debate xqc specifically about morality and the word and his idea of morality and I knew as soon as I challenged him publicly to that debate Destiny got his way in so now I have to do this and so I'm debating two people once I'm having this debate about Islam and then also about morality and this disbeliever with EXC so it's like I'm battling two at once and I'm just waiting for him to go away and I'm like you can leave and he's like well no I want to stay here anyway he's just like no no no he's like his boyfriend uh like backing him up so for everyone who said like I didn't do well in this debate the fact that it's two you know I have to like get one off I have to just shake off this leech in order to get to the the the kill point you know and just wait because all he's all he's trying to do his whole objective is just obfuscation move the goalpost try to like set up traps yeah the truth is both of them got nothing no no actual in intellectual reasoning or actual evidences but the thing is what happens is one of them knows how to do debate tactics what we were saying scream shout change the goal post you know put pressure on things try not to let you speak this is what the blue- hair guy does but the the the other one doesn't do this the yellow guy so so if you if you were talking with him been a lot more yeah a lot more different than reasonable I was saying yeah next time inshah I want to figure it out xqc someone clip to set it to it xqc let's debate without your boyfriend Destiny let's do a one-on-one let's have an actual discussion about morality this 2V1 is not fair you know and I would like to have a good discussion about it we didn't really get the chance to speak one1 it's not about clout like that's the defense mechanism oh sneo needs clout both of our communities are talking about it non-stop regardless people want to see it we could have a well moderated and let's let's speak about this because and we don't need to go insults at homams XC I genuinely want to to see what you think about this because we should be really aware of how we're promoting our audience to do different things and the influence that we have it's very important Alo clip that okay let's finish the the marriage question okay I'm actually curious now what what do you think the age of development is I just told you it it depends on where you are it depends on at what stage do you think somebody's developed in of develop why is he asking about the age of development what did you say um I think Destiny set up a trap earlier to get me there let's start from here told you got to developed age sne thinks you should that's what sneo thinks and he won't answer that question honestly or he's going to have to give a different answer in which case he's updated his morality he's updated his views and that's really uncomfortable for him you don't have an answer to any of this [ __ ] Bro go back to that corner in London you're getting roasted by year one Deb you're talking about that I said go back a little bit more I think you're talking about the age of of of right yeah uh [ __ ] psychology cognition logic here no answer the question you you're such a cowardly stand up for what you believe in if you actually Muslim you're actually as or whatever then stand up for your beliefs every every other Muslim scholar online will do this do it he is kind of like a gay zurka like the it's it's the same tactics and stuff like that like you know it's it's the same stuff it's it's not um but yeah it's it's entertainment stand all on it don't act like a little here trying to grill xqc on on Modern meta ethics or whatever if you want answer basic questions about your worldview what should the be you see how you see how you want answer the question you see he's going to Yap and not answer the question question I'm ask the same when you're done I just answered the question I just told you what was the age I just told you at a developed age thinks you should that's what sneo thinks and he won't answer that question honestly or he's going to have to give a different answer in which case he's updated his morality he's updated his views and that's really uncomfortable for him you don't have an answer to any of this [ __ ] Bro go back to that corner in London you're getting roasted by year one Debaters on Christianity this is [ __ ] I don't know what the doing here okay so you can leave the call I wanted to go talk about this I don't want to leave the call I like hanging out here I've talked to a lot of the past so okay okay I'm actually curious now what what do you think the age of development is I just told you it it depends on where you are it depends on at what stage do you think somebody's developed in what what of of of development CU there's a lot ofies it varies I don't on I think it varies on the age it varies on the age it depends where you are you need you need to have set ages for that are stage of development as as a child and AD in that situation would you let's let's let's listen to yeah I want to see their their their age of consent as well an adult and then fully developed like is is it the brain is it the body is it is it cognition what parts of development is can you can you target that I don't spend that too much time thinking about that we have wait till next okay so if a man so a he was like well this person was like really developed would that be okay then you wouldn't call that person no that's that's wrong absolutely why is I wrong I just said that you're not supposed to do relationships with people but look or you can't do relationships you can't do relationships with said that like wait what do it if they say they were developed developed is 18 plus bro like come on now you co sign that SN is that what develop means 18 plus well people believe that but throughout a lot of States a lot of it's like 17 a lot of it is 16 oh so you think 16 17 that's the ethical age to start I don't follow but see I don't follow the legal morality that you guys are following so you follow your ask for the Sharia I'm asking for the Sharia morality what's the religious one what do you think is the morality there it says developed it's not a specific age so so if the or if a guy wants like they're developed then you're saying it should be okay in terms of religion right in terms of what do you answer right there yeah I still want to hear they want to seean it does not specify it doesn't have an age like you're going to go in circles about this forever I just I'm just curious why it's so hard to get you to give an age for when you think it's an acceptable time to somebody okay answer the same question four times you haven't given it developed this in an age number I think he's trying to make an understanding of how you apply in the real world how do you apply that knowledge or that piece of that you're that phrase you're using devel age into the real world how does somebody navigate that somebody you read the same book that you did had your information how do they navigate the world how do they do it it's hard to understand you how does someone navigate the world without a book no no no no you're missing you're missing the point though how if you are you to use that phrase developed right and as a concept somebody knows this and they intake that how do they apply that to the real world how they supposed to know that's just sort of specifics behind it right what is your qu how do you apply the Quran to the real world yes if if if if the book says that phrase Chad this is the second time hearing this and I still don't know what his question was like I'm not even lying in the I I don't even point no I get his point but but I continue to to listen to what he's saying yeah okay developed right somebody when they go into the real world how do they apply that how do they use that to know what to do it's a simple question please answer it it's it's pretty easy to tell if somebody is a developed human or not so that you trust every human that has read the book to know what's development and know how to use that and you trust that people will do that responsibly yes well this this is also the value of having a community of having a community of people around you who are on the same so if you do it so if you say oh oh my bad I thought it were developed they were they were only uh 13 let's say you said that the community should now I oh you should have done that and that's that's good course correction right if there's people around that are educated you have shakes and you have other people with after so after you've done wrong they go hey yo you probably shouldn't have done that bro if they're following if they're following the faith they're they're going to have the right intentions and they're going to ask people and it's going to be pretty obvious so they have to wait for the F to like to come down on Earth and I'm saying it's the value of having a community that's on the same page about thing the same and you know that that's why you establish rules within your supposed to come in and tell you what to do and when not to do it or if that's if that's how you use if that's the you use to naate the world okay they should guys keep trying to make it see what this is hilarious and and the reason is hilarious is he's making he's now accusing you of what he's doing he's saying to you in your in your world view that the community decides who decides in your world view so even though that's not the case but he's just telling you that in your world view ni the P Community is deciding and he follows his own Community determination of what is the he doesn't have like a rational view that's why I wanted to hear what numbers are they going to give us for the I should have spun it back and asked them yeah yeah so but the thing is that's why they just attacking you but they're they're not giv they're not providing their own world view right uh and and the thing is this yeah what you said is not completely accurate but it's close to what what Islam teaches right so the first thing is Islam does not have a set age why Islam does not have a set age because women are different and societ is different and growth is different and the idea of of becoming mature intellectually and physically differs and depending on the society and the community that the person lives in and there are studies for example when it comes to the uh biological growth of of people you know in the hot countries they grow quicker than they do in cold countries and they did studies on on fish for example the fish grow much quicker in the heat but it grow more but slower in the cold so on a long period of time more but slower but in the heat they grow much quicker so it depends on on the country for example talk about the biology when it comes to the intellect as well what experiences did this woman have intellectual maturity is mostly based on experiences the people that you deal with the people that you it's not based on agees people try to pretend it is it is mostly based on the experience that you go through is what builds you and builds your character and level of maturity you can get a kid who is living in his mom's Bas basement and he's 35 and he's as kid as as you could find any other kid in the world he's 35 but he's been living his whole life outside of any experience that challenges him that grows him that develops him right so in Islam there's no such thing as a set age but there is a rule there is rules that rule is called it is a principle of harm the prophet wasam have said that principle is that you cannot harm anyone else or yourself so first when it comes to uh the idea now of of engaging in Intercourse that has to be bounded by that kind of uh principle the idea of harm so if there is physical harm or psychological harm to that individual that you are about to engage in Intercourse only in marriage because something I want want to say which is very important here is a problem in the west only because in the west they have uh intercourse with people before marriage they have these predat predators that Target there's no such thing in Islam if Islam allows marriage before it's marriage it's not intercourse of targeting children it is agreement of both parents that the girl cannot get married without the permission of the parents anyways it's marriage and that person is going to spend the life with the individual the rest of his life life he's going to take care of them he's going to provide for them that's what Islam allows now they conflate that with the disease they have in their own communities which is the people who are are trying to Target little use them as sexual object and abuse them and move to the next person that's your own community's problem that does not exist under the Islamic world view because in Islam the person has to get married and the permission of the parents needs to be given so first when we talk about biological development that's a very natural thing that is known when the woman reaches the age of puberty she's able to Bear children biologically if they're atheist and they take the biological worldview then the woman when she reaches the age of puberty she's able to Bear children so you come you come and tell me her body is able to Bear children but she's not able to build children according to our society when it comes to psychological point of view who determines it is the people who are specialized in in the field the psychologist in the field the psychiatrist the psychologist Etc they set a specific kind of uh parameter based on the girl you know her condition and then the state the Islamic State the Sharia state will set a number based on their kind of recommendation right the recommendation of the psychologist Etc it can either set a number or it can be a case by case scenario but in the end even if the the doctor say it's okay for example or the marriage will never take place without the parents permission first the marriage does not go through without the parents permission even if a woman reaches 21 23 24 it doesn't matter the the permission of the father is need the his permission is needed in the marriage anyways and his advice is needed in the marriage and that's why you don't see Muslims if you go to Muslim countries you don't see look at Muslim countries look at the records of Ages of marriage most of them are getting married in their 20 30s actually 20s because of bad economic state that even getting married in the in the 30s both men and women you see them getting married very late so this idea that trying to paint as Muslims are like following this or doing that is completely ridiculous the thing is this when we look at the west then we look at the West what is the age of marriage in the USA why is the age of it's like started to be or the age of marriage the age of you see but this is a very important Point another Point why is the age of marriage and so when a woman is able to have intercourse uh with someone but she's not able to get married which is completely ridiculous but this is the state in the west the age of marriage is more than the age and they say she's okay to have intercourse with someone and possibly get pregnant but she cannot get married so so the marriage age is universally 18 correct no that's not the case in fact in some but this is the thing no I'm saying age is 16 a lot of places but is the marriage age 162 but this is you're making the point there is when I would have asked him why is the age you cannot give an age because every state has a different age if one country that your country that you're living in that you're pretending you get immorality from cannot agree by itself from the age go go if you Google it what is the age age of marriage depending on state every state will have a different number and and some will allow parents some will not allow parents some will say with parents for 15 some would say without parents 19 18 but you will find completely different contradictory numbers was depending on the state so even the USA itself as a country does not agree in its own states with the age of the age of marriage of the age of and then why you come asking sne give me an age give me an age give me an age you don't even have an age in your own country one country you don't have an age and you come to give me a specific age and and and this is ridiculous there are there are hundreds of thousands of cases of child what they call marriages happening in the USA by the way in States like California Etc really when yeah yeah yeah just Google it right now with the with the judge permission so basically the parent comes and then they're younger than than 18 or or that specific age and then with the permission of the judge judge they get married because according to them anyone under 18 so anyone who gets married in 14 15 this and that with the with the permission of the parent is is a in the USA California USA uh 2023 you're making my Google search look crazy right now I'm looking up the age of like I'm already okay um so legal so only 12 states have banned marriages this is 20 this 2024 so it keeps now getting banned but before look every time they're trying to update a change now you know but even even now it's only 12 States so what do I answer um but the thing is this the thing is this like they would say to you a woman woman becomes an adult when she's 17 years old 300 uh sorry she's not an adult when she's 17 years old 364 days and 23 hours and 59 minutes but when the minute passes she becomes an adult magically there's a spell you become an adult now there you go what is the most ridiculous kind of state that you can see in in the west it's completely ridiculous a woman can drive at the age of 16 and which is causes someone's life and death and it's a harm life and death situation but she cannot uh get married according to them right the West is completely in a mess when it comes to the idea of of of morality when it comes to idea of determination of the age of this the age of that right so they they have no premise to tell you this or that and and now when they talk about the prophet all the time but the thing is this the the situation and there's some there's a fallacy called presentism which is to apply the values of morality of today on the past people in the past were different they grew up in different societies they had different experiences they grew differently so for examp I told you in hotter countries women would grow quicker another example is the psychological aspect they would mature much easier why because the job of a woman in every household was you uh your job is you become a wife that's it there was no school going to school elementary school Secondary School career woman there's no such thing didn't exist the only thing that existed was that the woman is is born and then she gets married that was it so her always when she reaches the age of puberty then from my young age she's already dealing with her community and Society she gets married and that's why the wife of the Prophet she was already betro to someone before him before he even was in the picture there was someone else that she was betrayed to because that was the societal Norm you'll not find someone in in the deserts of Arab you not find in fact I'll make a claim now and the go back 300 years and find me one person from 1,400 years ago to 300 years ago that criticize the prophet for for his marriage you're not going to find a single person do you know why even his distractors even the enemies of Islam no one no one no one not in his community and not after him do you know why because the age of marriage in the USA in the 1800s was 10 years old was 7 years old in Delaware in the 18 in the 1800s it was s years old in in the UK where is my evidence for that Sir William Blackstone who was a jurist who the teach his book in Oxford if you want to go and study it h just Google Sir William blackon he has a book called commentaries on the British law of England in the page 110 he says a woman can be given in marriage at the age of seven and entitled to theary at the age of nine so he's talking about women in in the 1800s the law in England we're not talking about one person that then someone comes come and say oh oh but but you know they were wrong and we're right now but you just told me that morality is relative according to your worldview so it was okay then and it's not okay now so if it was okay then you cannot criticize the prophet of something he did all the time and if today you this is it you cannot jump and play in hoops you know you got to make your decision and if you determine that that okay it was not wrong that time then you cannot criticize the prophet wasam if you say it is wrong then you have to give us a reason why it was wrong what is your world view or you bring that objective Mor to determine when it is right when it was wrong when it was wrong in and these people have nothing really they have no argument uh when we look at this this was the legal age of marriage this is how people lived life there was low life expectancy they didn't live as much right so they needed to multiply there was Wars women dying uh you find life expectancy of 30 40 years old like you have to multiply easy quickly and then you have to have children you have to increase and was well known to be something that happens in an early age in fact if people go and go to the great grandmother they will find that she got married very young almost everyone probably watching this video if they're able to find the age that their great grandmother got married in because that was the societal Norm there was no this career kind of thing when did this change in the Industrial Revolution and the idea of introducing women to the workforce and now know we need the woman now to go to university and this and that and not get married and no we need her in the workforce we need to make these laws now of this specific age that specific age and then when she's ready to go to the workforce she works first and then she's maybe later on engaged in the idea of marriage so uh yeah and and the prophet if you want to look at his life for example he he married all of his wives except AA whom they talk about were WIS and divorcees his first wife was 15 years older than him khad and he was she was she was divor or she she was a widow correct yeah yeah yeah and and he lived with her until she died he was a 50 something when she died and then he got married to a woman older than him was another Widow sa and the rest of his wives were all widows and diverses none of them were were that young as they trying to put you know so this was not something the prophet was engaged in and and the Abu Bakr chosea because of the character of the prophet he wanted to make sure you know that he makes the marriage contract because you know the consummation did not happen until three years later he wanted to make sure to do the marriage contract to make sure that they secure the prophet Alam as as a spouse fora and then when the age when she she herself said when a woman H hits that age she becomes a woman in that in her community she's talking in her society and that's why she lived 50 years after the prophet she taught the people she had no issues at all she lived her life she was happy none no one even the detractors of Islam in the community criticized this because this was the the normal the social Norm I'm telling you not the social Norm 1,400 years ago I'm telling you the social Norm 200 years ago to go to the 1800s but these people are too hypocritical and completely illiterate when it comes to history that they first want to jump hoops when it comes to morality moralism when it suits them then jump another hoop that okay this is bad this is good then jump another hoop and then apply presentism of the morality of today on the past so yeah essentially they got no argument there like to tell you what is right and what is wrong what should should be done what should not be done seem like it's it's as I'm not trying to make it is it has to be conrete that's how the world Works legally and morally you have to yes yes you had to know yeah he is contradicting himself now it has to be concrete when earlier it's always updating and changing and you know what's funny Destiny probably caught that but he's not going to attack him for that like because he see you don't notice it if you don't notice it he's going to he's going to remain silent because he's on his he's on his side it's it's not not the truth yeah not the truth yeah that's actually you just contradicted yourself oh look how smart I am I caught it even in the moment you said you said your morality always changes in updates exactly because if you don't know something then you'll know more later exactly you cannot say oh dude I I didn't know right here Destiny knows him right but he's not going to and he even said exactly like as if he's like making a point on his behalf or something he's like no because my didn't tell me like it's just a stupid way to navigate the world like what you don't have to you you don't have to make the jump to see if there's if if the hole will kill you so other people might have seen it will tell you ahead of time do you have to jump no you don't I I know this probably your first time hearing him but yeah this is can you believe that this is the one of the most successful streamers like the way he the talks and everything it it's incredible how but yeah go ahead sorry no you know you remember I told you in the beginning of the talk about like how how low the bar for intellectualism when it comes to the streaming World anyways you know so I'm not surprised honestly but when it comes to the yeah yeah I just what did I want to say that even Subhan Allah I lost it I wanted to say something about this I'll run it back a little bit so if you can remember wa naate the world like what you don't have to you you don't have to make the jump to see if there's if the hole will kill you yeah sorry so so yeah the thing the thing is this when it yeah the thing is this when when it comes to the sorry sorry no no no that's not good yeah the thing is this when it comes to the age the termination of the age you understood now the the principle right right the idea the principle and the idea there's something called the the harm principle and the harm principle is uh we're not talking about John's Ste harm princip that that came in liberalism we talking about Islam way before that 1,400 years ago where the Prophet said you cannot harm anyone or yourself so there's no set age that that when someone ask you for a set age you should ask them back what is the s age that you going to determine what is right or wrong and then if they're in the US they cannot speak even if they're in another country all Europe is different ages and they keep changing it all the time from left to right and then if he says to you it is changed then he cannot come to you and make any arguments about what uh what is morally right and what morally wrong because it can depend change depending on the time we'll tell you ahead of time do you have to jump no you don't but you're saying it yeah what I'm saying and yes yeah so so sorry yeah so it's not the society that tells you the Quran says as the people of of expertise if you do not know you as the people of knowledge in each field so the the people of the psychology and they are the ones who psychologist psychiatrist they will determine okay this is the age is okay psychologically for this person but even ignoring psychologist it has to be first the permission of the parents and there has to be a physical capacity for for the Intercourse to to be had to begin with so unless all of these things are are there it's not if you're going to cause harm even if the woman was 90 years old not not eight which is will be perfectly legal in in the US there's going to be a physical harm on her in the Intercourse in Islam is Haram in the west is okay but in Islam is Haram because there is a harm that will take place yes but it's a community brother what are you talking about I'm not it's hard to understand I asked you a simple question you you you fail to answer like 10 times if the only thing that somebody know yeah sorry I want to say something very very important here very very very important yeah the people do not have any real arguments against Islam and that's why this is practically the only argument that you see them using there is the idea of prophet marrying uh specific specifically they have the age of they have nothing else to critic nothing else of concrete that they can criticize Islam for and you know the funny thing is that believing aa's age what is she was exactly when she got married to the prophet is not an article of faith in Islam so if someone wanted to believe a different age he's still a Muslim I but isn't it Hadith no no but the Hadith there's a difference between when we say Hadith from the prophet something he said about religion and an age of someone in the community the culture which right some people texted me after the stream and they're like oh I had Muslims text me like oh actually she was 22 actually she WR no they're wrong but this is the thing I'm say I'm saying we're not talking now about right and wrong I completely believe her age was was six on the consummation sorry six with the cont marriage n consummation yes yes so I completely believe that 100% because I see the evidence as for but I'm saying if someone wanted to still say no I'm I don't want to believe this we're talking now from a purely a theoretical standpoint from an Islamic standpoint when you become Muslim no one says these are the articles of Faith age of is number seven you know no one tells you that right so if someone the point I'm trying to make is this is that the point they're attacking so much is not really refuting Islam in any way shape or form it's so much of a side point that if someone wanted to believe something other than than that specific age he would still be a Muslim but they will still attack that as if they are disproving Islam somehow or as if they now okay Islam is completely wrong by making the argument which is a very important thing to understand right so so it's it's very ridiculous argumentation level of argumentation against Islam yeah but it's a good way to to distract and and keep the disbelievers disbelieving it's probably one of the most distracting things that they can say yeah yeah yeah because there's a shock factor in the community you know they socialize to believe this is a big uh no no and this and that so it's completely big shock when they use that these kind of terminologies okay what the book says that one phrase when they're developed how can they use this knowledge and then operate in the real world and use information we've seen that I don't think really anything else is is left to see isn't it I want to see like so you left the call when I brought up Zionism and then there's more towards the end um and a lot of see a lot of these um The leftist Debaters and YouTubers they want to uh debate me they always bring that up and I I think the most important debate to have right now is about Zionism right where do you think is the and I want to go into a completely prepared right I don't want to go in there um I want to what do you think I should do to prepare for that debate withes this guy h3h3 Ethan Klein for example I want to start with that one I'll send you I'll send you some resources I'll send you some resources inshallah in private uh maybe some videos if you'd like to watch to see the argumentation stuff like that and then if you like to engage with them you can because they already have a Lo a losing battle in that case completely have a losing battle what do you think so yeah if the major argument sorry I interrupt you now go ahead if the major argument against Islam is it's always going to be age of good sent right that's the the major uh attack Point what's the major attack point against Zionism or against against the the American politic American or just about the spread of Zionism what's the major argument for Zionism yeah it's it's very simple it's the fact what Zionism means Zionism means establishing state in yeah in in in Palestine in that land and and the fact is if this is the whole ideology it is effectively stealing someone else's land and we've got receipts you know so is as simple as that is that your whole ideology is based on stealing someone else's land this is a so it's it's a self refuting ideology it's based on stealing someone else's land you've got receipts from your own loved un saying that you are stealing someone else's land and you have illegal settlements and and how this land was taken and how Herzel arrang this movement of moving people from Europe into into Palestine and and how you are breaking international law by killing journalists and bombing hospitals and killing look the we got all the receipts essentially okay but what what is the major attack Point what what are the you know the supporters of Zionism this thing this is the whole point I'm I'm telling you is what what are they get what's their major argument like what are they going to try to attack the most what's the point that they hit that argument is just you're going to say Hamas bad bad October the 7th do you condemn October the 7th right and you can say 40 debed yeah and they going to say like uh This Is Our Land which is historically inaccurate I can send you resources and that if you'd like more resources than that the original people were living were actually Canaanites which were original Arabs they're notab original Arabs and then Joshua entered and he slaughtered everyone and then later on you had the many of the people accepting Islam the Canaanites and you have the Arabs the Arab must mixing with the Canaanites and then you have the people who are living today there's a whole long kind of story but if you want to go back to the history they're also losing in that debate so they have no religious justification or historical just no type of justification essentially okay um I don't know if you can see the shared screen right now but the these are tweets from from Destiny like uh you see this he's like asking about the age for what age did Men start ogling you and then Courtney says 10 and he says you and he picks yeah she says check DMS Jesus I've never wanted to oh sop for yeah but but this is the thing there is a huge there's always a level of projection with these people you know what like if you are doing something wrong you project it on other people so no one looks at you no one points the finger at you look look he does it he does it he does it don't look at me so essentially I say that it's very natural uh to kind of uh for me to see something like this because I know the level of level of projection that happens yeah I I know you are but what am I I know you are but what am I yeah yeah exactly yeah right this is my friend uh zerker over here I don't know if you heard about him before uh he's a good friend of mine and U zerker this is Muhammad Ali or the Muslim Lantern he makes uh really good dawa content he's a student of knowledge on YouTube he looks like one of us he does he used to be he used to be oh he used to be what Muslim yes he did he he left and he became a Christian I was the biggest dawa fan oh really I still I still love him I still love him yeah okay what happened why why did you derail into the wrong direction you know uh I have like anger issues so I needed uh I needed a different different angle and like I yeah yeah it just makes more sense this way what makes more sense like are you religious now or are you not religious or yeah but like you know I have some beers here and there and I and then I go live and talk about it well yeah even some Muslims I'm sure you already know there are some Muslims who are even like not every Muslim is 100% on his Dean anyways not everyone is doing everything perfectly there's no no such thing as a perfect Muslim anyways the prophet he said himself that every child of Adam commit sins essentially like there's we don't have this belief as Muslims that you're going to be perfect and and I think what attracts sometimes Christianity to a lot of people is like when when they go into like this whole kind of like desperate life of doing every evil thing then they turn to Christianity because they think about the idea of forgiveness that Jesus took your sin away go yeah Christians are evil let's go get it out your system they're just always sinning and oh God I was not saying that though I was saying the opposite I said what attracts Christianity to what attracts people to Christianity is the idea of forgiveness is what I would say why did you think I'm I'm going to say Christianity is evil I I'm actually surprised are are you to saved what do you mean that's a Christian belief no we don't believe that we're saved we have to do the right thing every day okay we're going to be judged for actions yeah no we're we're not we're never that's not a belief have you ever wanted to be no no so what what I was talking about is the is the attraction of the idea in Christianity of complete forgiveness is why when people completely derail the they hit towards Christianity but a lot of people have a misconception about Islam is why I wanted to say thinking that Muslims want to be perfect or have to be perfect meaning doing everything right and when you talk about the idea of being saved we believe if you die as a Muslim then you go to paradise you're guaranteed Paradise well you you guys don't believe in forgiving people 100% maybe 50% but if you guys believe them for giving people 100% Saudi would allow other people in their land but Muslims poor Muslims go to Christian nations where they're accepted right and you guys close it off and there's class systems you guys can forgive 50% but you can't forgive like a Christian 100% you agree with that right well first the idea of forgiveness is not for for humans it's for God so when you say we forgive it's not for me for anyone but your religion kind of definitely pushes you into that temperament of you can forgive someone but not a 100% you guys aren't that forgiving like the Christians you guys make fun of Christians all the time for being too forgiving right I'm I'm I don't really get your point if your idea is about allow someone else's you guys whole the whole content is Christians are too soft and forgiving which is an admission of guilt you're saying that you guys aren't as forgiving as Christians you're kind of like leaking your own nature there right I think the difference is I I don't want to turn this into a 2v one but um Muhammad Ali I want to answer and I want to see if I'm correct oh don't worry just a test um don't worries it's not really it's not hold on okay C it's not a debate we're just having a coners ation um it's not about forgiveness it's about holding each other accountable no no but answer it you sayne says it all the time on his streams Christians are too soft and too forgiving yeah so so now so now let's just stay on the consistent logic admit that you Muslims aren't as forgiving as the Christians you critique for being too soft just admit it is that I don't I don't think I don't think for forgiveness is the is the right angle it's that we we hold each other accountable more than Christians do it's not that Christians are more forgiving it's that they're more lenient like they they allow more it's not how he said it it's forgiveness and leniency is different because do we all agree let's all agree Christians are asking than any other group of people do we agree on that if we agree on that we can talk no I'll tell you why why would but then why critique them for being forgiving and soft I wasn't critiquing Christians all that's what does that's what the whole thing is yeah he's different than I don't know I don't do what he's doing but I was talking about the Christianity you separate people from Christianity now let me ask you the question who forgives God okay so why are you saying Christians forgive was where's the argument there so did your book not teach you to forgive someone who's wronged you oh now this is about personal I'm saying did did God have any effect on your temperament absolutely yeah so are you more forgiving as a Muslim or less more forgiven as a Muslim absolutely are you more forgiving than I think you I think hold on hold on here here's here it is are you more forgiving than a Christian I think you're conf it's okay to say no you don't have to run from it you could say no but we don't we don't believe in that and then you're you're rightous well you have to let the other person speak before you say you're running isn't it say yes or no it's running I think why can't it be yes or no what the I'll tell you now in a minute if you let me there's a difference between conflating tolerance with forgiveness I think these are two separate things the problem with with a law of Christians is that they're tolerant not that they're forgiven these are two separate things Islam teaches forgiveness Islam teaches forgiveness with with everyone with with other people even if you're wronged yourself Islam teaches that for example the Quran says repel that which is evil with that which is good then the person who is like your enemy becomes like your closest friend so if someone is being evil toward you you repel that with that which is good this is a teaching in the Quran so Islam doesn't teach anything like be evil towards people there's no such thing in the Quran forgiveness is a essential part of the religion the prophet himself is the prime example of that when he's been persecuted in Mecca for 13 years when he came back to Mecca as a conqueror of 10,000 people army he let the people go free people who persecuted him for 13 years or trying to kill him killed some of his companions when he came back he said you're free and he let them go so if you want to talk about forgiveness we we're very forgiven we judge the Faith by the fruits like the people are we judging the people right in this in this conversation in this conversation I agree Christians Jud book I agree Christians are too tolerant and it's a side effect of being the most forgiving because they have the most forgiving God that's why they are the largest religion on Earth so if I hate you in your face you'll give me the other cheek you can try okay that means no so you're not following your book this is this is an exactly that's an unrealistic belief that Christians the truth is Christians claim that they are forgiven but they're not this is the truth I believe because I in my encountering with Christians they would say you know give the other cheek love your enemy but they wouldn't let me speak how do you love your enemy you're not letting your enemy speak you know they start cursing they start getting evil they start getting aggressive if this is the case next canot pretend you love someone would you would you is there ever a time to Stone a woman uh yeah according to the Bible chapter Deuteronomy 13:6 you can stone for example and kill people who who entice you towards apost can also you can also St for adultery in the Old Testament and the old you said you just said it the Old Testament okay is is Jesus do you believe in the Trinity yes there's a new covenant that's the whole point you believe you Trinity no no no I'm asking a question you believe in Trinity who who the god the God yes it's the same yes so who commanded theonomy 13 was it Jesus or someone some other God it's it's a New Covenant you're not answering the question who commanded that that commanded Deuteronomy 13 was it God Jesus or another God it's the same are you saying God now is good at a specific time and bad at a specific time so when he was a trinity in the old test was bad but he's good in the New Testament you got to make up your mind okay the go the Covenant gets fulfilled correct no no before you're escaping mean no no when he does the Covenant get fulfilled yes or no that was my question to you before I answer your question is when he commanded in Deuteronomy 13 Jesus was that a good command from him to command if you don't answer mine why why do I have to answer yours like what because I asked first and then you you ended up bringing another question answered it I literally answered it okay what is the answer go ahead was it good my question Covenant for the Christians right okay so the old Covenant was bad no it's for the time no okay so it was good for a specific time morally good according to to his own testimony as a Christian it was morally good in a specific time for God to to command stoning for adultery okay so if it's in existence in Islam you cannot claim that's an inherently bad command I'm asking you because you said oh you don't follow your book to me I'm saying your book talks about stoning right would you ever do it that's what are do you follow your book or are you a phony yeah absolutely you follow everything that is in the Quran in thei so but there are there are there are there are there are rules there are no no there are D due process this these things are not done by individuals they're done by the court they're done by the Islamic government Shar State and that is in under a Shar Islamic State and it has to be done by the government there there's no vigilantism you cannot go and do it yourself and the Bible teaches you to do it yourself the point the point I'm making is I can immediately find you not following your book perfectly you know what I mean it's a stupid argument oh oh you follow it perfectly he's saying that you don't Stone who who you follow it perfectly do you remember in the beginning of this conversation follow you not let me answer do you want me to answer this a debate tactic doesn't work when you don't let the other person speak you know that's you follow the you just said you follow the Quran perfectly I didn't say that you're lying you want to you don't follow it perfectly do you want me to answer you you say yes or no don't run no no every question literally you ask you says yes or no I don't hold why can't why can't they do yes or NOS this is crazy what's your name what's your name yes or no what's your name yes or no where do you live yes or no not every question is a yes or no question there are certain things I'm making it a yes or no it's simple oh yeah and and this is not your rules you know this is a discussion between two adult individuals I can answer the way I like the way you you want me to answer if you don't want to look like an egotistical Maniac all you have to say is I'm not perect adom now this is AD you know the AR not the person all you have to say is dude I'm just human sometimes I too but you can't do it you're like yeah I'm perfect my audience is watching okay I I'll tell you now the debate tactic the debate tactic that you're doing everyone watching is is a smart individual is not going to you did it to me for this level of argumentation joh you didn't follow your book here on I follow my book perfectly okay I want to make it CLE let's no no more Interruption to speak okay um okay so I want to this is fair so Muhammad Ali you said to zurka that he doesn't follow the Bible because he doesn't turn the other cheek and he pointed out like he pointed out hypocrisy fairly so now I want Zur could ask you the same question I think that's fair um do you follow the Quran and sunna perfectly okay excellent this is what I was trying to answer if thank you for for allowing you to speak right in the beginning of the discussion the first thing I started saying is a yes or no the in Islam people think political don't don't let him interrupt I want to hear the answer you hate political answers there's no way I am do want to I respect what he has to say I want to hear what he has to say do you follow the Quan it's a bad look it's a bad look for you guys here's here's here's how afraid you're afraid I'm about to say I'm about to say that's why not letting me speak you can look Brave by saying yes or no and then following up you can do that and you can look intelligent by listening to other people explain the way they like yes or no do you follow your book perfectly sneo didn't ask or no he literally asked do you follow your book perfectly and I was about to answer let's here okay I'll answer the way I like just like I said in the beginning of this course in this discussion I was saying that people have a misconception about Muslims yeah let me answer anyways whether he's here or not like you remember in the beginning of this he couldn't handle it the thing is this this debate tactic that they play is like he not letting the other person speak and that way pretend oh you're not able to answer you're scared this is just a debate tactic man just let me speak just like I let you speak you know so in the beginning of the discour of course why is the first thing I said to you that people have a misconceptions about Muslims that they have to be perfect beings so I'm literally saying no one is perfectly following everything so what's the point of asking me that question again and saying that you believe you're going to be a perfect Muslim I was literally saying in the beginning of the discussion that Muslims are not perfect no one is perfect and the prophet said and I quoted this Hadith that every child of Adam commit s didn't I do that in the beginning of the discussion right no one none of us are perfect except for the prophets yeah yeah but but he was claiming that Christians are more tolerant than this and that so I said do you actually apply that command since you are claiming it or no you know yeah you can bring it back if you want but no yeah he he he's still able to come back he's still in the call he could he could rejoin whenever um I didn't want it to be a debate well he I didn't chat I just wanted to I thought it could have been a good discussion about dawa because we we were like indirectly speaking about da for the past hour and the right way uh to cover these things but yeah I was trying so let's go back to the the Steve will do it thing so I was I was listening to him he was explaining his things I could tell that he's I was trying to do as the prophet Sal did and just explain toed and and make it simple you know the gambling and alcohol I wanted to keep it separate um but then afterwards like I um I added somebody else into the call that wanted to fight him and I I was trying to set up a boxing match and then he he got upset and left and he thought that I was ambushing him so you added someone that he's not comfortable with is what you say yeah yeah it's a problem because he was being uh he was open up vulnerable so I understand if he didn't like it and he left then I get it yeah I I I messed up but at the same time though I I I'm I'm held to a different standard because I don't know if you've seen yesterday he was he was tweeting all these things he was calling me a scumbag he says I'm a liar he says I'm a like I don't believe in God he says that I'm using God for clout and Views and all these things um so but I I shouldn't have done that you know but that's that actually goes back to what we were saying even before the the call uh before the call was Steve I was saying that there's like this clash between being a content creator and then and being a d you know because it's like I I in my mind I'm like okay I did enough dawa now let me go to the content and set up a boxing match yeah but I shouldn't have done that right yeah I should have done that I should have done that yeah there is you know there boundaries isn't it to the level of the when it comes content versus versus dawa even even just being a good friend or or being a good person in general you see someone who's being vulnerable you're not going to use that for for Content reason isn't it you would want to uh let them open up talk then privately Etc yeah so even that has boundaries even if you want to talk about content you know in general 100% you know but but but Subhan Allah these a lot of the Christians they talk about like having discussions and things like that and then when when they are there they leave they run away and and then they say that Muslims they don't want to talk about to us I don't know look he's back yeah yeah I I I baited him he's back you took the bait you're back no no you're muted I think your mic's on on we can't hear you Owen you didn't pick up my call the I'll be here till you call okay go go go go back to the uh Christians are just you know did you hear my answer or no I think we all heard that Chad what was he doing to the break my answer was Muslims are not perfect so no one is saying well you did that after after chat added pressure on you obviously you're going to answer now no I said that in the beginning of our discussion way before we start even talking about this topic you know what are you talking about um you're not being sincere bro you got to be s with yourself but the thing is look look you seem like a a good person you know you might you might have this kind of you know game and and show for I was GNA answer you I was gonna answer this you you said uh I was making a point zirka doesn't follow it like if you hit him he'll hit you back I'm saying the collective right the collective of Christians in total not me not the individual the collective is a lot more merciful and forgiving than the collective of Buddhists uh Muslims or anything else do we agree on that no what's your evidence you you know what's funny is you agree but you think I'm trapping you I think no no I if I agre if I if I agree I'll will tell you I agree you have to tell me why do you believe that okay when you said Christians are more tolerant right tolerant I said tolerant and forgiven is difference and I said you're equating the two You just prove you my point is it isn't this a bit of a c out no it's not because you can be Toler of someone else's behavior that is away from you let people do whatever they like to do as long as they don't harm me taking the liberal mentality Christians have become liberal this why they become tolerant they to they adopted the mentality of do whatever you want as long as you D harm anyone else forgiveness is to do with you if someone does something to you directly and you forgive them so if you want to talk about that type of forgiveness then Muslims are more forgiven from the aspect if you want to talk about Toler to what other people do to what other people do then yeah Christians are more tolerant because they're liberal so yes we agree they're more Toler they're more forgiving that's why they I think what I'm saying is Way Beyond what what you're comprehending so I don't okay can I ask you is has there been an open borders Muslim Nation an open borders Muslim Nation what does that mean a country that opens the borders for everyone to come yeah you know actually the Jews and the Christians that lived under the otoman Empire they were free to travel all over the Ottoman Empire by the way it was open borders for everyone I'm talking about right now what we can see with our eyes not his books that are you have to you cannot compare between Islam history is written by The Victors you agree no I disagree complete so what about wait wa wait wait wait wait wait wait what do you mean by that history is not written by The Victors you want me to answer you yes please history can be yes history can be tweaked by The Victors if they burn everything that is against them that does not necessitate that everything in history is necessarily written by The Victors it's not the case there are there are writings that survive that saying we can see we can see with our eyes right now right we don't have to look in history and stuff okay why is the Christian open border country go ahead right now tell me I'm happy no I'm asking you there is a Christian Nation I'm asking you is there a Muslim nation that adopts this open borders craziness like the Christian nations do is there which which which Christian Nation open this border to everyone uh UK Canada US Australia it's not open all your people are millions of you guys on the street praying what are you talking about no no oh that's what you mean by open borders there's a difference between coming into the country and between practicing your faith I'm I'm saying diversity is bad right you guys agree your Nations do not participate in this diversity agenda correct no I disagree if you want to look at UAE as an example 90% of the people in Dubai are foreigners if you want to look at Egypt 15 50 million of the population are Christians the oldest churches in the world are in Syria and Egypt well you're laughing but these are facts you guys you guys have a birth rate problem like the whites in their countries now this is called a strum man how's that to do with what we're talking about about open borders it's hardly the same thing birth got to do with I'm saying you're correct about the tolerance like they allowed everyone in their Nation it was bad correct who said that you making an argument I'm asking you there's no argument I'm asking you it's wrong to open your borders and say everyone jump in uh I never said it's right or wrong to do that okay is it right or wrong I'm curious from your perspective to open your borders as a company as a country to the people as long as they abide by the law you can let them come in okay do you think these Christian nations or they're on the correct path which ones have to be specific let's start with the UK you guys got a lot there right he lives there I I think I think that Muslims yeah I think that Muslims in the UK are are doing a lot more positive impact to the society than than anyone else so the actually allowing more Muslims to come in is more positive for them as a but the ultimate goal is Sharia law like ultimately you want to replace the whites right who whose goal my goal or whose goal Islam's goal wouldn't that be the Utopia not really Shar law is not the best again look this conflating terms making sharw in every country versus sh being the these are the debate tactics that I was highlighting to sne you know changing the gold post change the go post Chris go post I'm saying there's no goal post I'm saying your guys's goal would be to see the UK be a Muslim Nation correct no that's that's the go the goal of ISL the goal of Islam is to spread the message there's a difference to acceptance and spreading so allowing people to hear the message is the goal of Islam everyone hears the message didn't they have the choice to accept or reject so if everyone willingly accepted it you would say this is great UK is now a Muslim Nation this is awesome if everyone accepts it not as the country being a Muslim Nation but are you being honest with me yeah is he being honest right now you want you don't want to see a Muslim UK I want to see people accepting Islam the country I don't care about if the if the people yeah that's what we're talking about the people every single person in the UK is a Muslim isn't that just great absolutely great for them yeah isn't that the goal they're living a best life they they're fulfilled in their life they're living a better moral frame that's great why not wouldn't you be happy if if the countries accepted Christianity Muslims people accepted Christianity I mean honestly would you be happy you're not answering is are you sure are you you happy same question to you if that were true we would go to your countries right no no no I'm asking you're not answering the question you're aving are you would you be happy you're avoiding we don't want to we don't want to so it's not good that people accept Christianity no not by subversion and diversity agenda no one said no one said that no one said that we're talk you just asked me an abstract question about people accepting the religion I'm asking you is the diversity agenda just the Jews taking advantage of the Christian's kind good-hearted nature no when you answer my question I'll answer yours is it good for people you're not answering my question so you have to answer is it good for people to accept Christianity from your world viw for whatever reason whatever whatever okay so it's the same thing was the argument you're making then the argument I'm making is at least I'll be transparent and say the good nature of the Christians is being taken advantage of because the Muslim nature isn't that good it can't be taken advantage of that's what I'm saying correct why man you guys look smart you close your whole borders off right that's awesome that's awesome I was just talking about UAE which has open borders for everyone to come in I don't know what close borders you're talking about look okay when we talk about the Muslim nature not being good what do you mean by that okay elaborate on that um clearly if one nature is more forgiving wouldn't you want to live in this world I disagreed in the beginning I told they not more forgiven I said they're more tolerant not forgiven because yeah but that's what like liberal women do when they change definitions that's not like an argument do you understand that in order for you to use words you need to understand their meaning before you make arguments you know the difference between tolerance and ignorance yes I'm what is the difference between what is the difference between tolerance and forgiveness tell me Define them we're seeing it right here so IQ IQ response here the question here's the question when came in and I was super nice to you why was your first instinct this is what Christians are doing wrong and they're tolerant and this is why they people go to you said people go to Christianity because they want to sin not because they were by Jesus who conquered your people throughout all of history you guys never once won against Christians and you guys are taught to have four kids and slaughter people and you still can't grow as fast 500 million Souls behind you lost to a dude saying turn the other cheek like that's crazy to me you joined the call when I'm being nice and you started with the only reason people go to Christian so they can suck on and be degenerates but you mask it in this of like I'm being Posh and I'm being all kind and dude I never started the conversation like that I'm like what people are going to Christianity to listen to k Katy Perry that's your argument you don't think someone's literally going to kill themselves when they go to Christ you think they're going so they can like your people your people don't like come on bro you started off in war mode and I'm sitting there I'm like sneo said be nice be nice bro why is it always a war with you guys I don't think you know you know why it's a war with you guys and not us cuz you guys are the losers we're winning 500 million Souls above you guys a thousand years three wives and you can't catch up man hurry up hurry the okay can I resp can I sneak one second sneaker sneaker one second do you see how I allowed him to speak to to speak without interrupting him at all now we'll see if he's going to do the same thing or is he afraid of what I'm about to say right first he said when I joined the call I started by attacking him which I didn't I was explaining to you the idea of I didn't say attacking me yo you got to take the sand out bro I said you attack every it's a problem I literally said you attacked every Christian on Earth not me you said they go to Christianity to sin you do do you believe that can I speak now no yes or NOS bro you are just so honest okay so I was I started started the called discussion about people turning into Christianity because of problems that happened in the life and I was actually referring to Steve that what he is in the process of doing it was not about you by the way anyway I didn't know that he was telling me I I know it wasn't about me I know it was about every Christian on Earth that's why it's offensive if it was about me it makes sense okay I'll finish now yeah I'll I'll finish now what I was about to say so first it was not about you trying to start a debate with you the second it's about me stop painting it like I'm hurt like oh zurka Felts like a sinner I'm saying see every Christian on Earth as I'm going to be Christian so I can just just gamble and be a degenerate you think that old 70-year-old Grandma the Betty White at the supermarket went to Christianity okay to you continue with my response or did she lose three kids in a car crash she just went to sin it's you do it in a soft voice but you have hatred my dude you have hatred you don't know if you had the Holy Spirit we'd have some more jawline action bro we'd have I'm sure by the way probably if we're in person we probably get along a lot but I'm not you don't know me but the thing is when it comes to Jesus you mentioned Jesus conquered all of you by the way Jesus lived a life of obedience he obeyed Caesar and then he was arrested by the Romans and killed I don't know who he conquered he lived all his life as a subordinate to the government and then he was killed in the end so to pretend that he conquered people I think you're conflating the prophet Muhammad who actually fought Wars against the Pagan Arabs and defeated them right so that's the first thing the second thing when we talked about growth rate you pretended Muslims are losing when in reality Islam is the biggest growing Rel religion in the world both in conversion million to according to P research so when are you guys winning we don't just we don't just speak we we actually give facts when we talk right so go ahead speak no problem I don't need to interrupt you go ahead yes first of all you said who did who did Jesus conquer according to your Quran Jesus was just a prophet who came down and accidentally started a religion bigger than yours started a lot of ruckus a lot of hold on a lot of commotion he made just a lot of commotion and then he just floated up to heaven what the the point of that and then you guys say it would meant it was meant to look like it and what was the point of the dude being prophesized as Messiah if he's just going to start a religion bigger than yours but it's not the real religion that is that prophet's a little overpowered according to your book it's kind of like what was the game plan there what okay so I don't have any problem with with Jesus I have a problem with lying about him you were lying that he was going conquering you just said died and he was not going di no I said in your belief so he going no you said died he didn't he didn't go around conquer people in your belief you lied you just lied you made up an idea that is not true so he conquered you guys with love people left your religion and went to Christianity right yeah you cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus that's that's the fact this is one of the Articles of faith in Islam just like Moses like Abraham and anyone we love Jesus resurrected We believe We believe he's a messenger he didn't die Resurrection you cannot resurrect without dying cannot resurrect without dying do you do you believe in the resurrection you cannot resurrect without dying we don't believe he died oh right he just floated up to heaven I forget the L he no he he didn't float us God took a differ yeah yeah but but but why why would God send him down to accidentally start a huge religion and then float him back up what was the goal of that I think he wrote the answer that Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet or a messenger sent by God he had a mission to preach to the people yeah what was the mission to preach to the people about God worship God Alone just like he said to the people worship the father he didn't say me he taught you the Heavenly Father prayer Hal be thy name talk to the father thy kingdom come thy will be he didn't say me he didn't say to anyone worship me he said in fact when he comes back in his second com in your book if you open Matthew 7: 21 would you let me finish reading your book okay chap Matthew chapter 7: 211 when he comes back he's going to say the people will say Lord Lord we've done many miracles in your name we cast out demons in your name he'll said to them I don't know you get away from me you didn't do the will of the father but Messiah of what then if he just came and accidentally started a Rel what does the word messiah mean let's see how much do you know what does the word m no no just answer one question no no you got I skip that the question right what does the word messiah mean go ahead tell this is a little unfair bro I'm being so nice please tell me am I not I'm I'm not being bad faith what was the goal not of Jesus of Esau your version what was the goal what was the what was he supposed to do like uh like he accidentally started the biggest religion on Earth the go the goal of Jesus was to come as a messenger of God and tell people about God connect them to God like Moses like Abraham like did he according did he up like he not who said but he made another religion according to you or is the followers that up where did Jesus where did Jesus preach something called Christianity where did he say Christianity become Christian also also throughout all of the scope of History everyone just got it wrong let me ask you did Jesus drink eat pork and drink alcohol did he do that right br br that's all you got to say you say Jesus is pure according to you guys but all those that's what you say not me you don't you know you make claims and then you say you said you said you said wait you don't think you don't think your Prophet is pure what do you mean by pure identify I said I said to you in the beginning of the discussion every human being commits has mistakes yeah but according to your religion Allah exonerates all the prophets of their mistakes correct we have something called major sins and we have something called minor sins so the prophets can do certain the prophets all the prophets did things that they were corrected from by Allah yeah corrected there you go right yeah so the prophets were corrected yeah yeah so forget part all those people that made up Christianity how you say they all just got it wrong they just that's what you're saying which people are you talking about the Roman the Roman Empire when when costantine adopted Christianity and then he introduced the Greek methodology and The Trinity God the Father Son and the Holy Spirit when it's not in the Bible he introduced it into the religion yes he changed the religion and then people started adopting that and then God sent him another messenger Prophet Muhammad to bring him back to monotheism again because they became pothe to worship so how come the last prophet wasn't as magnetic as the as Jesus what do you mean by magnetic this is just a subjective term unifying people to the Cross right this false religion you guys talk about unifying which people the Catholics and Protestant Orthodox who disagree on number of books and say each other are not Christians what is the unity that you're talking about right but throughout history they were United no they were not United they were always fighting yeah if you look at Egypt Egypt is the prime example EGP Egypt is the prime examp right now BR fragment the branch the branch is fragment keep jump from one one place to another you know is it United or not is it at certain point of VI all you got to say is according to you guys Jesus committed the big biggest sin of oopsy daisies I started the largest religion by accident and why do you keep repeating that when I answered it 100 times we believe we believe Jesus we believe Jesus was submitting his will to the one true God and that's the definition of being Muslim that's what we believe when he told when he told the people worship on God alone when he told the people do not eat pork when he told the people do not drink excessively when he said to the people give charity this is exactly the teachings of Islam there's no new religions that were brought the Trinity is the new religion that was introduced by the Roman Empire that is not in the Bible or the teachings of Jesus can you show me the trinity in the Bible or the teachings of Jesus you got me bro you got me I know so when where is the Trinity can you tell me where the Trinity is when the Council of NAA like stop with the source bro no no you tell me I'm not going to say anything you tell me when when I was being nice sneo we're all being nice and you said people just join Christianity which is like this is crazy you said people join Christianity just so they can sin did that offend you that much I say that Yes actually now it did cuz you you got to double down and say became so offended that the whole discuss become about that you should just be an honest man and say that's that's what I mean yes people who want to listen to Katy Perry and do Molly they go to Christ just say it yeah most of the time yes you're oh no no don't come on don't don't be disrespectful this teaching this is look look this is a tolerance of forgiveness was talking about minuto I'm sorry I'm sorry on um on Z's behalf for say I'm sorry no no it's okay I don't get offended but it's a difference maybe no it's just weird like like a grandmother who loses her kids in a car crash right she goes to Christ and then she turns this guy on and he's saying that she wants to pop Molly party and sin that's why she went I didn't say just kind of weird it's a weird angle bro there are many people who are born into the faith of Christianity and practicing the faith there's no different there's no doubt about that I'm talking about people who turn there's a difference between conversion and changing and the people who are born into the faith you're conflating the two again I said most of the people every prisoner who picks up the Bible I'm sure he just wants to sin he didn't fix his life right he wants to just party and drink and grab where did I say that I said that they escaped that to Christianity it's like I I don't usually did you understand why said even it's so it's just like why not just spit on the Bible while you're at it it's so crazy what you're saying why are you being very emotional about the things where is the where is the intellectual reasoning here it's all about emotions you in me I feel bad you know like who is this man I was expecting something a bit more intag imagine if I said you got cooked and you're getting V you're going viral so intellectual I don't know about that bro imagine if I said oh people just go to the Quran to Stone a woman it's just stupid it's stupid okay where's your evidence for that that's what I'm going to ask you that's it I'm not going to get offended and cry about it for 20 minutes or 30 minutes I'll ask you but sne and I were just having debate that that's your guys nature and you started the call like that and I'm like oh Lord I got to endure I just got to be the nice guy and endure it's like crazy bro hly crazy sne said sne said come I know who to tell me that I'm come for you that this is my plan I'm not saying you're coming for me you don't even know who I am I'm saying you have an impulse to tell big platforms people go to Christianity to be degenerates you have an instinct and urge like you [ __ ] that's false if you were watching my videos You' know that false and I don't do that your opening line was just the that's not my opening line that's me commenting again you're you're not being you're not being genuine dude from my if you come from my angle I open emails there's young boy young the the winner call me the winner Che out check this out when you come from my angle I open emails young men holding the cross crying they lost the family member and now religion's not stupid to them anymore and then they come watch me on a sneako stream and the only reason people join Christianity is to be degenerates and you're the nice guy so imagine the other Muslims the nice one is this dark and demonic bro why are you doing this why are you doing this just give me a hug bro like yo one in the chat he needs you need to rewire your thinking all right emot I'm not I don't want to call you emotional but look Z look Z yeah I know I know you're you're performing for the camera but it's it's not really working but no no the theatric the theatric is so it goes through your head if I speak like this you're not going to listen to me but if I hurt your feelings a bit you're going to go to bed thinking but he didn't [ __ ] not I think you need to try a bit harder look look my dude you said 1.5 billion people on Earth joined Christianity to be degenerate that's what you said not me oh you're walking it back now you're fing nothing back if you walk it back you're a good guy and I'll shut if you're able if you're able to go back if you're able to go back and bring me I'm me saying one one.5 billion people accepted because of that reason I'll give you 1,000 now go ahead you wanted word for show me go ahead if I said with my own mouth you see to to show how you lie you pretend I something I didn't say no the clip was you said now it's something else you're walking it back you see I can play your tactics with you it's Bas it's really childish tactics I don't like to play look that's not intelligent at all cuz I'm still going to Wi check this out you said it's not about winning you said when you when if it wasn't about winning you would have said hi John hi sneo not everyone who goes to Christianity I don't know your name he's just telling you would have just said hi stranger you would have G everybody goes to Christianity is a stranger I didn't do that and you know what's funny here's the worst part you don't even believe people go to Christianity to be degenerates just because you see some liberal subversion like give me a break bro if that makes you if that let you sleep at night I'll accept it no problem but the thing is this look you have to be honest and sincere I didn't start like this I was commenting on sne when he asked me about uh Steve you see how you take everything out of context I said hello in the beginning he said hello how are you this and that sorry to bring you this late then he quoted Steve then I was commenting on Steve turning it to Christianity and I was referring to this idea this happens with a lot of people because this is the natural religion and their environment that they turn to and I was was mentioning that there is a idea of forgiveness in Christianity that attracts people when they do a lot of evil things that none of this is evil but you then you took it sensitively and then you started like making this whole like 20 30 minutes like I don't know what you what what kind of you know strowman argument that you made and then you started attacking it you know we it's it's weird to start off why are you so so sensitive about people talking about Christianity you talk about Islam probably all the time isn't it just like you're doing now I'm more sensitive to how stupid you sounded again adoms you see I don't need to do use adom because in Islam we're forgiven you know we're forgiven we're forgiv you know we don't need to insult we don't need to insult check this out I know chat's on my side but they're stupid too cuz if I I'm not wiing the chat difference hold on hold influenced by no but chat chat is stupid too because if I didn't call him out he would have snuck that in there yeah people just go to Christianity to be degenerate it would have gone under the radar you guys do it on every Muslim podcast and then when I call it out it's like being emotional why not just say you know what maybe I am in a group Soul always in war mode I always got to put a chest piece why don't you go hug a white woman just hug a white lady right why do you want to why do you hate these people she didn't she's not a degenerate she's just a white woman you have now actual arguments or just at many me person I've never been more charitable bro if you Google my content I've never been nicer and more charitable this is like sneo knows this is the nicest you know you know you got to admit with me you got to be nice because I'm nice with you anyways like you nice be but not with all the Christians on Earth that's the crazy part you do you know my name do you know my name you're a mo no no no what is what is my Channel's name don't check the chat look he's reading the chat look look if you don't know then how do you know what I do with every Christian you just made up a claim out of thin air without any evidence literally in you just made it up literally why do you why do you think I said here we go again cuz I was waiting for it and I usually you're bringing trauma now you got trauma got shman will take 10 minutes to drop the Christians or degenerate you took 4 seconds bro that's like Shameless did man give you trauma or what it seems like it like but don't don't have trauma now like thinking every Muslim is going yeah when he couldn't answer my question that was traumatic CU he I answer every question the people go back in the chat they will see and what about where's who's that cuz I'll tell you this I know I always cook you and debates and stuff but it's unfair because I'm not a scholar I'm just telling the truth is a scholar right he can even speak Arabic and I know you guys all run from him he can speak Arabic his name and he speaks Arabic you've never heard of him not really who's that you're an influencer you've never heard of him I'm not an influencer I don't call myself that well you do this kind of political and religious space I'm sure you've heard of him I have do you know I have a live stream that I do uh open for anyone to join and that guy never joined my life stre if he's so oh so now you know him what the now you know who he is you just said if he joined my stream I would have known who he is I said you you you made you said his name now many people came to my Liv stream on face both of you know who let's not change things when I'm saying them I said he never joined my Liv stream you you just said his name if he did I would have known him why is he not coming to my Liv why shman afraid why is shik Usman afraid of him why don't I don't know about this discussion with him why don't you ask not me I'm not well no I mean it's probably knows I don't know maybe it's just been months of ducking this guy that speaks your own language uh it's not true they've done a debate before showed up with a couple atheists to um the dawa table in San Diego you know shman has the B Park dollar table they showed up he uh came with a couple atheists and disbelievers so that's why he's running because he's already tasted it I mean they already did it and he ran away like in person so it already happened so what what the whole argue was making this guy came it's just it's weird how embarrassing man everyone debates everyone multiple times but that speaks perfect Arabic he gets blackballed from the political religious side of the intellectual dark web it's so obvious guys come on I'm winning what do you mean you're winning you just quoted some person's name and they just maybe I'm this is look do do you know ofan why do you never debate why you all scared I just mention a Rand name why don't you bring the guy you're talking throw him in you you you bring your guy you mentioned him first Oh I thought you wanted your guy okay we'll bring both no no I'm just showing you how ridiculous it is I can call Aranda person's name and say why don't you guys debate this person that that means nothing like well I mean shman knows who he is so they had a discussion according to sneu and he ran away as sneik says so I mean there's video of it happening I don't know why they they they they bring it up I mean I I wonder if sneo would ever ask Shake Live shake live we have that's came up ask Shake live why don't you have a chat with I've had like four Christians say the same thing jidon brought him up I think Nick brought it up jidon is who's representing us and Nick Nick brought up that that too and then uh he didn't want to do it after because he didn't like Nick or something but it's it's came up before but no well I didn't want I didn't want to have a a Christianity Islam debate I mean it is entertaining but I didn't want I thought we could have had a good conversation think we're having a chat any I'm not really debating him I'm just having a chat with him I just wanted to have a good discussion about I I don't do debates anyways but he he seemed like he got a little bit didn't like what I said so I just was addressing that I apologize for winning you know I had this woman that came to me the videos got like a million views and the Christians have this thing when she came she said I this the bnk Islam I said yes in your it's the same thing for this guys they come and they they speak and then they think they one and then I just tell them okay good job and you just let the people watch the video make the decision because saying I won doesn't mean you won you know I know that brainwashing sometimes works in the media but I don't think it's that easy you know I don't think you'll ever go live and say that Christians go you're welcome to come on my life when I go live you're never going to go live again saying Christians the cross just to be degenerates you're going to you're going to dance around that you're the overwhelming majority the overwhelming majority of I'm sing it again dou doubling down the overwhelming majority of Christians have come across they turned into Christ because they had a bad experience a traumatic experience in the Life I'll double down the third time if you're like I'm not scared of saying this there you go it took an hour build the courage you took an hour I from the beginning like this is what I needed just double down you'll look better everyone will love you more if you're honest no no why do you flip flop you say I'm not going to say but when I say it you say oh there we go it's like pulling teeth bro like come on just say it say they're degenerate who's hour bro who's winning am I going to say or not going to say it which one is it well now you double down the pressure's on you got to stay here bro you got to make your decision man they're degenerates Christians are clearly just degenerates right I'll be honest I'll be honest with you I think I think Christians need to step up their game they need to bring more for intellectual reasoning on argumentation things using scripture and actual theology not not not you know emotional kind of OHS very bad guy you have my feelings you this doesn't work you know I think you guys need to saep up your game at least we callot scripture you know I bring you stuff from from the Bible Jesus said actual historical facts you know difference you know abibi you're saying the right at the wrong time you're getting cooked does he try to win by com wor but the thing is he's the only one who's laughing I don't know you can't hold the trophy when you're losing this hard bro come on you look like me after HS bro let go off the golden medal you didn't win [ __ ] bro you on perk and said and I'll tell you this no he's got no idea this guy is like no muslim ever goes to the Quran for bad bad angry most of them go for Noble [ __ ] how many do you I don't lie I don't lie to try and win like I'm the biggest C I heard in my life just said I'm sure when a Muslim feels something's wrong they go to the Quran I know they don't go there to sin be degenerate fight women and stuff you guys believe that about us but what here's this slimy part you don't even believe it it's just War talk you little cats you guys form your chats like that there's a lot of Muslims that that turn back into the religion because of traumatic experiences as well wow there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing crazy about saying this I don't know why this guy is very like emotional about this statement but it's just the fact this life is a test and sometimes when you hit rock bottom as they say you turn to God that's just an innate thing that people do I just so I don't know why is the statement so emotionally thought I Clos my eyes I thought of millions of Christians in a church just waiting to go home and sin because that's what they join for that's CRA I never said that so well you did double down on that do you even know why I said you're walking it back this is brilliant okay go go you can can you tell me why I said no no tell me why I said I I did that's why you froze you're this is like Checkmate I'm waiting for you to tell me why I said that again because you're just using words but you're not saying it because you don't remember what did I say right so you started off first few seconds saying no no the statements that you keep repeating that I double down on what is it the statement right the Christians are degenerates right did I say this okay sne can you be honest ask the chat as well did I ever use this words Christians or did I ever use this ter in this whole discuss I'm I'm saying fast so you don't interrupt you see how this guy he hears he hears one thing and you don't oh you thinking it back you said people go back to Christianity I I don't think debating is your thing with all the respect to you I I don't think debating is you don't my dude you don't know the hour this is this you cannot you mean like Jesus like Jesus in the Bible know you cannot do the W and I won the debate I don't know the this moment this is look look at the chat look at the viewer count and look how viral you're being just be honest are you going to double down and say they go to be degenerates or not just go is it five time I no no I just wanted to say to him I don't know the hour like Jesus in the Bible in Mark 13:32 and he asked him about the hour he said no one knows except bro he just can't doubles down walks it back double down walk it back be a man dude come on what did you say sneo sorry I was that I was asking give him a med kit sneo I need you is he in some in some sort of substance or something I don't he's he's he's high of Jesus he's just high of Christ okay it's the Holy Spirit bro he's high of the Holy Spirit I'm sure you feel it all right I was asking if you had to pray five I was wondering about that alarm hold on let me get some water oh no no alarm is I think his or yours I water chat water he he's having a water break right now um he's getting fuel for the this more like yeah it's more no but it's more this is I would say it's more entertainment than actual discussions you know he's not really brought any intellectual points it's more like he's using humor I wanted that to happen because like um we've had a lot of these debates with with zurin people and it is entertainment like I don't really consider these real debates but it it's fun it's sparring stuff like that I wanted to have a discussion about dawa because um I did like I I messed up bad earlier and I I I think dawa is extremely important and also I was talking about to zerker earlier about how Christians should have more effective dawa you know there's not a lot of because Steve is not even like he believes in Christianity right I'm the one talking about God to him and I'm not even the same religion so I wanted to to speak about more effective ways to to spread the message of God because I mean you could agree Muhammad Ali that it's better for Christian it's better for the disbelievers to at least have Christianity than nothing it's better that disbelievers are Christian are Christians than than atheists correct yeah According to Islamic point of view yeah you have people of the book uh and and we believe the people of the book that's why we can marry uh from the women of the book like the Christians and the Jews believe they have very close beliefs to us when it comes to the prophets when it comes to the afterlife and in fact the Quran says that the closest people to us right you you'll find the closest people to the Muslims are the Christians right and and you'll find the most people people with enmity and hatred are the Jewish and the polies that's what the Quran says explicitly uh in chapter 5 so so and Allah says from the people of the book you will find of them the person that if you land the whole massive thing of gold that he will return it to you meaning it's a testimony to their character these people have good character can have good character can be very trustworthy Etc so yeah like and and I know a lot of people are Christian who are very good in their manners and behavior they never insult other individuals very the reverts are bad right reverts I think I thought reverts is more of an Islamic term not I'm using it I'm using it vice versa come on no one is saying they're bad all all you saying the reverts are going to to sin right no you didn't understand what I said I said when they hit rock bottom they turn to Christianity not that they will sin or they degenerate that's never why I said to be free and sin yeah yeah that's what you said let me ask question before this this is pretty much quickly quickly I gotta go okay um he's got to do do a numerology um conversation wait actually yeah let me ask you that I mean sorry for swearing but is numerology have any basis in Islam Muhammad Ali absolutely not this is a madeup kind of uh science with numbers and most of the time it's just like bunch of 72 virgins how is that numerology it reduces to nine the number of completion right because you're done your game and you go to heaven and can I ask a question about that yeah yeah go ahead of course yeah I it's you know like I can be bad faith when I'm like in debate mode I don't want to be bad faith and it's going to come off like crazy yeah you you know what what it's like me trying to get another like dunk it's not worth it it's not God bless you guys um I'd like to ask shake you know what I want to say something I do I do I do appreciate that because I think a good faith discussion no matter look we disagree with each each other but I think keeping it good faith is it's it's the best thing you could do we don't want low blows I don't like when people try to bring low blows about other people it's not it's not about winning that's why when you said that's I said you I'm right now I'm turning I can feel the gears and I'm about to try and win I don't want to do that who's going win God bless you guys you're beautiful you're smart people love you guys never stop yapping your but but like also like be be a little conscious of maybe someone going through it is listening to you maybe be conscious of that right and also it's never a trap when I try and make someone double down I want you to look cool too so you should Double Down always you know yeah alhamd I always I never take back unless unless I say something wrong which is well you got to work on that one okay guys but yeah I I need to go now so I can catch F inallah before the the comes up you know I hope uh may all accept the duas thank you so much for for coming on and and um just get you hope you get rewards through this I hope that from this conversation my do will be more effective and and then you get some other rewards I hope to speak to you soon Salam alayum inshah and you know by the way look this is like special for you you know and would never do this for anyone else you know and I never stream this late but you know alhamdulillah I can see you're doing good you're bringing people trying to spread the message and and in in certain areas that I don't think many people can so not you not you don't have Muslims in the da scene who are involved in the scene that you're in that have the connections that you have right so you cannot the the reach that you reach these specific individuals having discussions and and talking with them the way you do so you have a very big Avenue there I think you should continue using inshallah to try to connect you know these people with the Muslims having these discussions which I think I think can open the minds of many people inshallah all right anyways you're doing fantastic work inshallah and keep me in your Dua and may Allah accept from you and and you know I hope people watching you know they they don't hate me too much you no they love you everybody's going to subscribe everybody's going to subscribe to the Muslim Lantern on YouTube all right right I'll see you