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[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] good morning distinguished guests and ladies and gentlemen welcome to the global Symposium in open government my name name is Eugene Lee I'm deputy director of the ministry of the interior and safety I'm pleased to host today's event under the theme of open government Innovation advancing partnership and co-creation for problem solving where we will explore how open government can address challenges that we are facing today before we start um I'd like to invite Deputy Minister e Yung of digital government and Innovation office the ministry of the interi and safety for his opening remarks let's give him a warm Round of [Applause] [Music] Applause good morning ladies and gentlemen welcome to the global Symposium on open government it is a great pleasure to see so many representatives from the government Civil Society Academia and international organizations working together to create open government it is a really meaningful opportunity today in particular I'd like to welcome and thank Deputy Secretary General of theity Mary bass uh and the staff of the O's digital government unit for traveling all the way from Paris to soul today we Face a complex and diverse set of challenges the number of issu issues that directly affect the lives of future Generations such as population decline Shar rinking of local cities and climate change is increasingly dramatically these are not just stories of one country they are Global issues that cross the national borders in order to address these Global challenges we need to focus on three things first governments need to be more transparent when governments open up and share their resources they can Prov provide important Clues to solving problems second governments need to partner with their people to find Solutions working with people from all walks of life such as civil society Academia and youth can help identify and try different solutions third we need to collaborate across borders as we have seen from our EXP experience in overcoming Health crisis we are better uh able to solve problems when we work together and support each other rather than relying on single country's efforts the thread that runs through all three is open government I believe that transparency Integrity accountability and stakeholder engagement which the oecd has identifies as uh open government values are the keys to solving our City's problems in that sense I hope that the global Symposium on open government which is being held today will be a place where all of us can find Solutions and pledge our cooperation in the current ERA the national vision of the Republic of Korea states that it will contribute to solving Global problems as a global pivotal country as a member of the International Community Korea will take the lead in realizing open government government and strive to create a better Society for future generation once again thank you very much for your participation thank you Deputy Minister for your insightful remarks now I like to welcome deputy secretary General Mary Beth Goodman of the oecd for her remarks let's give her a r Round of Applause [Applause] [Music] good morning good afternoon good evening wherever you might be joining from virtually um I am uh Mary Beth Goodman the new deputy secretary General at the oecd but I am not new to the open government movement and I could not tell you how ex any more excited I could be to be here today um Deputy Minister distinguished gentleman all of the colleagues from the oecd and the government of Korea and particularly the working party on open government um a big welcome but most of all let me welcome you as open government Champions because that's what you are and that's what we're asking you to be moving forward as we really think about um these issues in a a much more complex environment of today it is a great honor let me first say that the work that we have seen by the deputy Minister Lee and the open government committee here under the ministry of interior and safety the Korea oecd policy Center and the Korea institute for public administration has been exemplary and we're very grateful to all of the people behind the scenes that work so hard to pull together this Symposium on open government Innovation Korea's strong commitment to the open government agenda has truly been Comm commemorable we have seen this time and again with Korea stepping up and its leadership extends well beyond um bard ERS well beyond the region and is truly exemplary as I noted by hosting the third Summit for democracy and supporting the oecd's work on trust in institutions in Korea and democracy excuse me Korea has demonstrated a profound dedication to advancing the broader Global Democratic governance agenda it's truly a crucial contribution at a crucial moment in the face of major environmental demographic graic fiscal and technological challenges governments need to step up their efforts to strengthen trust and institutions and democracy low trust environments are a threat to the effective Democratic governance recognizing this at the oecd we developed the oecd trust survey which is a key tool to help governments identify how public trust is evolving and how it it varies across the population this survey is also the backbone of our oecd reinforcing democracy initiative in July we released the second of these oecd trust survey results the results show that across the 30 oecd countries that were surveyed and I will footnote that 25 of those 30 are also members of the open government partnership including Korea 44 % of respondents have low or no trust in their national government that's a startling statistic that far outweighs the 39% who Express high or moderately High trust in their government this is critical because low trust environments are a threat to the effective Democratic governance and continued low levels of trust not only damage social cohesion and political participation but they also limit government's ability to function effectively and to respond to complex domestic and Global challenges importantly this survey also identifies opportunities to strengthen public trust I'm sure that you will not be surprised to hear that the survey shows that giving people opportunities to have a say in what the government does is essential in building a trusting relation relationship with citizens yet 53% of respondents believe that the political system does not allow people like them to have a say and those who feel they do have a say tend to have low trust in government if anything these results call for us to rethink the processes of participation and representation that are at the very heart of democracy as we know it that is why strengthening representation participation and openness in public life is also a key pillar of the oecd reinforcing democracy initiative of course the principles of open government such as transparency accountability and citizen participation will always remain Central to these efforts but in this challenging context and with so much at stake we need to push the balance boundaries exploiting the synergies between open government public sector Innovation and the digital transformation can help governments become true innovators and may offer New Paths to give people a greater voice in decision-making this Symposium will discuss how we can make this happen and I would like to challenge each participant here to think of at least two innov ative tools that you can deploy in your work to help make this happen today's conversation is not a oneoff conversation we will need to build on yesterday's meeting of the oecd network on Innovation digital and open governments in Southeast Asia and I encourage you to feed into what we hear today the work that you discussed yesterday so that we can truly build on that for this meeting of the working party on open government that will meet over the next two days I know this is a busy but exciting week and I look very much forward to the rich exchanges that lie ahead and hope that every one of you can share your experiences from your work in government in your country and also use those experiences to help us learn from one another in this important meeting thank you so much thank you deputy secretary general for sharing your insights taking a brief moment uh we would like to take photos of Deputy Minister and deputy secretary General uh can I have both of you on the stage [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Rivera policy analyst of the digital government unit at the oecd to the stage who will be moderating the session and introducing speakers please aruro the floor is yours now hello hello it's working just check in um right now good morning everyone it's uh a pleasure to be here um also with all the panelists which are joining who are joining right now for the first uh session of this important event this Symposium on um on open government just to quickly introduce myself uh my name is aruro Rivera I am the policy lead in charge of the work on datadriven public sector within the oecd digital government unit and I also Le the work in soueast Asia from the from the unit but it's not about me I think it's more important you know to speak about the four panelists that we have um right now together to be discussing about this important topic which is po sector Innovation um so let me introduce them first I would like to introduce uh a colleague of mine Angela Angela is the Innovation lead at the oecd observatory of public sector Innovation at the oecd she directs work around Innovation methods tools and capacity building she is also leading the work on Innovation portfolio exploration and anticipatory Innovation governance thank you very much Angela for joining us um then Mrs Yong Moon um Yong is the director of administrative system division at the ministry of the interior and safety in Korea did I pronounce your name right this time yes that's perfect I hope so um since it's okay since joining the ministry of the internal safety 2009 uh y has worked on government Innovation planning opening public data government organization management and assessment in her current role she oversees and improves how the government works changing which I think is really important the culture at the public office um then we go with um a new friend I think of ours dini uh mfra from uh Indonesia dini is the executive director of satu data Indonesia satu data Indonesia means one data um Indonesia at the ministry of national development and planning otherwise also known as bapas dini um is um leading this is important initiative which focus is to govern data to become unified upto-date integrated accountable and interoperable and last but not least we also are here with Lazaro wos Lazaro uh larot ton is the deputy director for open government in Spain uh before that he was the deputy director of the open government uh at the ministry for digital transformation and public administration also in Spain and before that he worked as an assistant deputy director of open government and the Ministry of Finance and public administration um with that said I think we can go just straight to the to the point and the discussion for the purpose of um of time and I think what it's important is that before really going into discussing what are the practices on polic sector Innovation that that these two countries are working on since some years ago um I think it's important really to frame the discussion so that everyone all of us are together under the same page and for that purpose I would like to start with you uh with you Angela um as you certainly know the OCD has different instruments with which state the importance of public sector Innovation we have a recommendation on open government uh we have a recommendation on digital government we have a recommendation um also on public sector um Innovation um all of this identify Innovation as a key element of good governance but before that the important question is what is po sector Innovation for the oecd hello everyone very glad to be here um Angela Hansen Observatory of public sector Innovation we receive this question all the time uh this word Innovation is often thrown onto everything uh everybody wants to be more Innovative uh but what does that actually mean uh the way that we Define innovation is by three criteria it's novel to the context so it doesn't have to be new to the world it doesn't have to be an invention uh but it has to be new to you maybe it's been done elsewhere uh slightly differently but if it's new to you um that is one factor of of innovation another factor is whether it's implemented uh it cannot just be a fancy idea or some nice uh words in a speech it has to be something that has been done in the real world and these two are not unique to the public sector the third one is unique to public sector innovation and that is that it has an impact on public value it doesn't necessarily need to be a positive impact sometimes we see negative impact as well but it has to have an impact so what does that mean that means a change in public expectations around for example efficiency versus privacy and how that is aligned with public expectations otherwise it's just uh normally doing business so those are the three things that we uh Define public sector Innovation thank you Angela do you have any um examples that actually you can share with those in particular like trying to breach really the topic of public Innovation and or the three important topics that you just mentioned with open government which is actually one of the key uh if not the key actually topic not only of today's Symposium but also of the working party um on open government and I'm also curious maybe to know a little bit more about the how system thinking it's embedded also in this discussion yes absolutely so public sector Innovation does not necessarily need to mean uh incorporation of a new technology it could be a new approach a new methodology uh a new uh way of U operating so it's not always technology but we see technology as a key driver of Innovation and in open uh government Innovation now you mentioned uh system thinking which I think is a really important uh Point um system thinking is really taking a holistic approach uh it is to understand complex challenges so anything that involves human behavior uh anything that involves public sentiment public value is by its very nature a complex challenge uh versus a a complicated challenge or more of a a technical or engineering type challenge uh when we're using technology it's important to think about the uh logic that's built into the technology that's being used and is that serving the public purpose is that allowing the level of openness and the level of uh expectation of transparency and security and privacy uh that is expected uh by our citizens this is an important point so um one example of an implementation of system thinking in government is uh a movement Around Mission oriented Innovation which is a type of innovation that we're following uh closely in the observatory this is governments uh taking on ambitious societal missions within a given time frame and this requires a uh look at Beyond isolated issues uh looking at the interconnection the unintended consequences of new policies uh or the unintended consequences of existing policies and orienting those uh in a new direction to solve a societal challenge it could be around green transition it could be around um reducing uh cancer um there are many many examples that we see so what's what's important here is that government alone cannot solve these complex and systemic challenges and that's why open government is very essential um and as DSG Goodman mentioned uh this factor of people having a say in government decisions is the number one factor for government uh for people having trust in their government so this is a really important factor to keep in mind now system thinking can be applied at a societal level uh we can also apply system thinking within public administration systems so this is looking across government silos and uh making sure that uh the innovations that are put into place are done with the full of with all of government in mind so the administrative systems the budget systems um all of the systems that uh need to be considered uh doing this effectively and efficiently is also a factor that uh can correlate with trust uh by citizens they expect governments to be thinking about uh these types of things in an interconnected way I think that's all I'll say to frame the topic thank you Angela um I would like to remind the participants that if time allows uh at the very end we will have also hopefully some time for Q&A so please start just uh writing your questions down in the case that there is um any followable questions you would like to ask to the to the participants um I was particularly curious about this discussion around uh system thinking and so on because I think that it's also quite well connected to the work that jjun is doing in in in Korea your current position um Jun which is um related uh directly to administrative systems and to the improve of how the public sector um how the public sector Works um I think just trying to summarize a little bit you know what Angela was mentioning I think it's important to remember how um driving system is needed to solve policy challenges so that requires having a well equipped system something A system that is actually working in the um in the practice from your perspective uh and your experience in Korea could you please explain what this system is about from your own experience okay thank you for your uh comment arer and I will focus on more about the regulatory framework in Korea and I think uh as you mentioned the Korean government like many other uh countries around the world uh is striving to design an efficient way to work process methods through public participation and open government and I think the most important and first step is to establish system I mean the laws and acts and other regulations uh for implementation so the Korean government operates major uh two regulations the first one is the the administrative procedure Act and the second one is the presidential decree on operation and innovation of public affairs and the first one the administrative procedure Act was enacted in 1998 for the purpose of um uh protecting the securing uh the purpose of a sec inuring the fairness transparency and Trust in administrative through uh administrate Administration through public participation and uh protecting the rights and interests of the people and inside uh many articles stipulate the basic principles of uh administrative procedures uh aimed at expanding public participation and uh uh public participation communication and cooperation and the other one the presidential decree on operation and innovation of public affairs this too long the name is too long and uh this is also was enacted in 1991 and stipulates more specifically about the government Innovation and other public affairs um and it uh stipulates about the government Innovation and collaborations so the local government as well as the central government must follow uh this regulations these regulations such as uh promoting uh collaboration between public institutions and simplifying unnecessary work procedures and automating processes using digital Technologies breaking down on reasonable practices and innovate innovating organization C and so on so it contains so many uh things inside the regulation thank you very much I I I think nevertheless one of the key challenges that maybe um most countries face um is implementation because you can have as many regulations as needed um but there is always the challenge of implementation how the implementation of this regul ations which are part of system uh take place in Korea how does that work in practice yeah I totally agree with you Arro and I also think that uh this is more important to implement and operate such regulations than uh just to establish the system so uh the ministry of interior and safety where I work uh makes an District government uh Innovation plans and guide on how to work about uh inside the public office at public office every year to all public institutions including Central and local government and then uh each institution establishes its action plans and tries to implement it and my division and other divisions in the ministry check the status and performances of the implementation and if necessary we diagnos and consult on Tas of other uh institutions also external experts are participating in uh Consulting uh process also uh it is reflected in the evaluation of the annual government assessment especially evaluation index uh includes the degree of public participation and cooperation and all the evaluation uh committee members are made up of the outside experts yeah thank you Jan um before going I think more into the detail um and the discussion also with d and with Laro um I'm curious actually to hear from both of you what you think about what Angela and Jun has just shared because they just touch on really important points um they touch on what po seor Innovation is regulatory Frameworks um the importance of action plans um also I think they just um Jean just touched on um the importance of participation in this context and also a really key point that just mentioned it's on monitoring and evaluation which I think it's important from a governance um perspective um does that Echo anything that um both of them just shared what is going on in Indonesia and Spain um maybe we can start with you Jenny so thank you aruro uh first of all uh we want to say thanks for uh Ministry of the interior and safety Korea and also oecd for inviting us uh and also giving a chance for Indonesia and sharing what we've been done done especially uh related to the open government and uh back to your question aruro uh Indonesia it's advancing um the uh open government initiative like what highlighted from uh Angela that Innovation is not always a new thing uh we also following the global trends of the open government framework uh and also highlighted what uh Jong mentioned before uh Indonesia invested not only in the open government uh initiative itself uh that uh we agree all of us agree that the open government uh we are promoting the trans parency um and also civic participation and harnessing new technology but beside of the open government itself uh the Indonesian government also uh really specializing a program uh called open data government uh name as satu data Indonesia uh satu data Indonesia in English is one data Indonesia satu is one so in line with one data we are preparing and we really promoting a unified data that can be accessible and available for everyone uh to do and at some point the this initiative also want to like promoting the ecosystem of data uh driven policym in Indonesia thank you Vinnie um I think we'll have more time to discuss about this important initiative um just after um lar do you have any views as well um hello good morning to all of you good evening to those who are still under jetl um if I had to Echo something that I think it's very Innovative maybe it's not Innovative enough because it was introduced years ago in Spain but I think it's worth mentioning is the simplification covenants we are currently using now in the public administration these covenants are subscribed by the public administration and different Holdings and they identify the barriers and different difficult ities and complexities that people faced when they try to speak with the public administration and this has been very very useful in the past and we want them to be reinforced in the future let me for example bring you one of the examples uh we will be subscribing one with the platform of the third sector the platform of the third sector in Spain is kind of a big holding with more than 20,000 NOS across Spain so it's big uh they represent uh people with disabilities people that sometimes face the most difficulties when attending the government um we are trying to focus on them and try to focus on the digital divide that is something uh sometimes we don't pay sufficiently attention to um and I think that was one of the most useful elements we are including on the next fifth uh national action plan that we will be presenting by the end of this year but if I had had to mention one one Innovation or one thing we are doing differently as we did in the past I think it's about listening before we didn't listen enough to to to the P to the citizens for example currently we are working on the fourth national action plan but this was the very first national action plan on open government that was made out of the multi-state Forum this program um had a lot of participation but the fifth National Action Plan we're currently working on has three times more participation so somehow we face that listening to people uh try to make them participate leads us to have more participation and this leads us also to have more trusting government because they feel they are part of the solution and this is something I think we we must very mind that participation leads to more participation and these also contribute to more trusting government thank you Lazaro can I ask you just a follow-up question because I think it's just an important point where you just touched how um participation leads to more participation how do you encourage um actually maybe those uh population groups that might not be that much willing to participate is there anything specific that you do to try to encourage this uh participation um let for for example this platform of the third sector I just mentioned we've been working for them with them uh almost for five to six years and they've been very active in melee communication and collaboration with different groups we've have had some encounters with youth organizations uh with certain organizations of people with uh disabilities with organizations of the elderly that sometimes feel that they the they are they are not sufficiently important for the government and thanks to them we are trying to reach all those Niche that that sometimes are not sufficiently uh appreciated by by the public authorities and we are making them part of the of the solution so we want them to participate more and more thank you very um very much um I think we can go back to that important point of inclusion I think towards the end of the of the of the panel discussion um I would like nevertheless to go again back to to to D to speak a little bit more about um digital Innovation and what you was sharing um um about Indonesia's initiative on um on open data um I am like particularly interested to learn more about Open data in Indonesia what is going on in there because open data I think provides the perfect bridge between digitalization and open government it's this um key access um in there and also anything that maybe you could share on D driven decision making please yeah so thank you um yeah the uh the uniqueness of Indonesia probably all of you also understand that we are the fourth most populated country in the world with two uh 280 million people as the population so you can imagine how big we are and then also uh when we are saying that the uh one Indonesia is a comprehensive effort from the government because we enhancing uh collaboration across the uh government not only at the national level but also from the local level so when I'm I really want to underline collaboration uh keyword because as also so um Lazaro mentioned before like inclusiveness is very important when we are doing a program because we we hoping that at the end the data that we produce can be very followable for not only from for the government but also for society so when we underlining the collaboration uh The Innovation part what we've been doing in W Indonesia is we are uh we are doing a collaboration um by mixing uh two strategy the first strategy is like a bottom up and also top down so what I mean with bottom up and top down strategy the uh uh top down meaning like in the planning mechanism we try to gather all the necessary uh and strategic data what the government need especially when we are doing a planning for future planning for do evaluation monitoring and controlling we try to kind of like gather what uh strategic data we need and then for the uh bottom up process we are try to making sure that all the uh line Ministries and also local government uh what they require for their data and also what the society needs it's going to be including in the planning mechanism for one that's Indonesia so what I mean when we are talking about line Ministry so one that Indonesia Indonesia need to collaborate with 84 Ministries and agencies and we have 38 provinces across all the Indonesia and the total cities that we have is about 514 cities in Indonesia so can you can imagine how big our collaboration is and uh the number even for the population also very big so we want really making sure when we are talking about collaboration and inclusiveness we try to accommodate the needs from the government uh which is top down and the bottom up from the society that's the first strategy and then the second strategy is we understand uh like uh when we are uh understand where the the needs of uh data making available is inoperable data so everyone can do sharing uh everyone can use the data itself so the this the the the next strategy how we can measuring and handling a government data to be qualified accurate and updated so one that Indonesia uh setting up a standard that need to be followed by all uh line Ministries and also local government so we want to makeing sure that the data that they produce will be very qualified and uh the big thing from W Indonesia is we have an authority in Indonesia to deciding who's doing what meaning whose uh line Ministry is going to be produce what kind of data because we understand producing data especially covering 200 uh 280 million people going to be very expensive so we want to making sure that a budget that we spend going to be very efficient so uh we want to to reducing a duplication of activity in producing data itself and also making sure that the data will not be duplicate so uh W Indonesia uh also has some uh like responsibility in deciding who's doing what so that's the uh kind of innovation that we have uh from W Indonesia thank you um D in in addition to engaging um you know the 500 cities in to reach also the local level I don't know if you could also further develop a little bit how are you engaging also public officials within the within the public sector because I think public officials in themselves are part of the open data ecosystem and I think sometimes uh they could be left at the very end of the policymaking um cycle how do you engage with public officials especially I think in particular given the the context in yeah so uh as I mentioned to you before um uh one that Indonesia uh started not only uh jump into the producing part but we also starting from the planning part when we are talking about planning here is the kind of like a channel for us uh for IND uh for one data Indonesia to Gathering all the the few not only from the outside government but also inside government government uh when we are um do a planning uh we uh engaging the civil servant especially uh the few of them what kind of like data that they going to be need for them to do their uh work especially when they want to do a planning evaluation and controlling so we want to making sure that data going to be produced following what the needs of the institution itself and also the uh the the people yourself uh and the next uh important point also one that Indonesia has an uh a mandate to also supporting human resource development so what I mean with human uh resource development because we want to making sure that talking about data is very challenging it's not only talking about AI but also we need to understand how data going to be managed right we need to understand what is what metad data is how to produce a qualified data so one Indonesia has a mandate to also improving equality of Human Resources especially uh people inside the government or civil servant and also all parties that going to be work together with the uh with the government so when I'm talking about people here I'm not only saying about civil servant itself but we also uh kind of like collaborate with Academia and researchers like Academia very important because uh the span of Indonesia we have uh 177,000 Islands big and small island so we believe that using only one that a hand it's going to be very challenging so we work together with academ Academia universities to enhance the capacity of the local government uh staff in making sure that data can be produced and especially data can be available uh in term of like data sharing and also intable data so uh at some point when data available everyone can use uh the data and then we can create an ecosystem to uh imposing data driven policy making and and some point the policy that we produce going to be based on data itself and we believe that the society can f the value of data itself because we understand data is very uh expensive quote unquote and we want to making sure that the uh the society can um feel the luxury of data itself uh so that's the uh uniqueness and also what we've been uh doing from uh with one data India become it's very unique probably in compared to uh other um same initiative thank you Denny may I ask you another full question really quickly and I apologize because I'm really curious and I think that touch is also about the question I would like to ask to um to Lazaro um you mentioned s 700 Islands correct 17 okay um what the role that digital participation play in this record because you have a quite particular Geographic situation you know so I would think that it's a little bit difficult to go and visit all the islands how do you manage that you know what what's U how do you embed digital in that participatory approach to open data yeah so uh when we are talking a very big span of uh Geographic uh condition of Indonesia we understand that when we are talking about digitalization data uh the big problem for us is infrastructure digital public infrastructure going to be very uh important that's why uh in every meeting we always collaborate with the line Ministries that responsible in providing infrastructure itself because we want to making sure that um the inclusiveness uh of digitalization can be applied for everyone all Society uh and making sure that there there is no one left behind when we are imposing a program that requiring digitalization and after making sure um uh the infrastructure also as I told you before uh aruro uh human resource is very important so we also having a very big uh scholarship scheme that uh allowing all the citizen Indonesia can go uh study abroad even the the most expensive University you name it we can send them uh we want to making sure that uh the uh the job creation uh as a result of digitalization can be also absorbed in Indonesia uh and then after that uh once we uh we believe that the infrastructur is already there uh the human resources also uh be enhanced we are try to making sure that the um uh the society especially uh that really hard to have a connection with the especially internet with try to make an island like not an island like a satellite office close to the to the isolated um cities uh if they don't really have the uh internet connection there so they can access the uh satate office over there to making sure that they can uh get a services from the central government because that's very important though even though we try do our best right now we understand like like providing a service to the last the last miles it's going to be take long time in compared to like in the big city so as a remedy for that situation especially for the isolated cities uh we creating like a satellite office close to the city and close to the Village uh and try to making sure that people there whenever they want to access the service from the central government they can get the services yeah thank you um Denny I will ask a couple of follow questions to Angela and to June um before that just lar any comments on digital participation the experience of uh of Spain in advancing digital participation in the context of open government um the the scale of Spain is obviously much smaller than the one in Indonesia uh as you would probably know we have some softwares in digital participation that has been very very useful uh let me name the Madrid at local level and also the in Barcelona they've been two very useful platforms at local level that has been that have been exported to other countries and they've been very very popular in the past and Carly um but let me just bring one other example at National level we are currently working at AAP AAP is the digital uh participatory lab we are having at National level uh it has like three different departments or three different tools within this digital lab first one is the groups or the communities the second are the projects and the Very third is the library let me start by the first and the third the first is the communities and they've been very very useful until now we just give a digital space for authorities and citizens to collaborate to to collaborate in the way and manner they decide um this has been very useful until now and it's not only useful in our department that somehow they felt uh compulsory to use it it has been exported to other Administration territorial administrations in Spain for example Riva hook Administration which is an administ administrative body that gathers with the issues of a river how to use the water uh they it has been very useful in the dialogues with citizens and the water use is something that is very something we all use water in our day-to-day life we have the Council of citizens on traffic that cons make consultations about traffic rules and they work in adlab so they have a direct uh communication with Transportation trade unions with uh the users of vehicles also about electric vehicles normative how to implement them so they are currently using adlab or we will be using it from November on on the on some universities on how they collaborate in in trying to push forward new subjects in University so it has been very very useful and we don't give them any clue on how which is the procedure to to to participate we want them to self organize the third one as I mentioned is the library uh the the library it gives us you resources to to make particip ation uh in your organization so we have different videos different texts and it has been useful and it's open to anybody uh that that has interest in digital participation in fact we uh we organize regularly some seminars on participation with different universities in Spain and the second one that I mentioned but I think it's it's cly been it has to be launched and it will be part of the fifth National action plan it's the projects in the projects we want to do something different as we did in the the past we want to to have a focused participation what I mean by focused uh in the co-creation of the fifth national action plan we had some uh inputs from civil society that wants us to work more on the liberative democracy and we have the good work of DOD on deliberative democracy and we are taking the guidelines also the good experience of our colleagues in Finland and lvia on the national dialogues and some adaptations to the Spanish uh um regulatory system so we want it to be a part of digital deliberative participation and this would be a project in the fifth national action plan that is going to be launched in December so all those three elements as I mentioned the communities the projects and the library they all three are under this AAP digital project and I think it's one of the most promising projects we are cly undertaking now in Spain thank you Lazaro Angela do you have any views on this I heard a couple of very encouraging things from from all of you um Moon you mentioned uh innovating organizational culture uh in your example so I was really encouraged to to hear that that is also a focus of of innovation for you um we often hear when we we look at the enablers and barriers of innovation in public sector uh is the risk averse culture and it's it's normal it's normal to have a risk averse culture uh because the kinds of challenges and issues that governments are dealing with affect people's uh basic needs their human rights their access to uh services that affect their health uh and their livelihoods so it's normal uh to be risk averse and um there also needs to be space and permission particularly from senior leadership which I'm encouraged to hear that there's a focus on uh to create the enabling environment to uh to test in safe to fail ways uh what could be done differently since our publication on core skills for public sector Innovation uh we realized that it's not only about being able to understand and put together a uh a data system uh it's not only the ability to uh do user centered uh research these are skills for innovators and policy makers but managers and Senior leaders we found are the core uh enabler of being able to actually apply those skills uh governments may have these skills uh within their administrations uh but they don't necessarily have the permission to use them so we find that uh it it requires both right um one agency that I worked with had a an approach uh when something went wrong they would name blame shame and retrain uh and that is really not a good approach for allowing uh experimentation and uh change and especially in the area of of open government uh now something I I also uh heard was on uh listening uh from from Spain so technology allows uh never like never before the ability to have feedback loops uh from citizens so technology allows this uh loop from you said we heard we decided uh because people don't uh they're not excited about being one in one million responses collected uh on a particular strategy they want to know how their particular view has been Incorporated uh into decision- making and technology is a a great enabler of uh showing that path um between what is said uh and uh what is decided people want to feel heard and seen and another thing I heard uh from from from Indonesia is this balance between top down and bottom up uh governments are not only responsible for solving people's issues today uh but also balancing the needs of future Generations it's very easy to blame governments for not responding immediately to to a crisis uh but governments also get blamed for not seeing something coming from uh a long distance away so uh something that we always advise uh in our uh Innovation analysis is really creating these this portfolio approach having spaces and administrative structures to support both the bottom up and responsive aspects uh as well as the spaces and supports for the long-term anticipatory and future oriented uh work and governments are um of course uh responsible for for seeing into the future uh and taking taking action today so I'm I'm encouraged to to hear about all the work that's um going on across the globe thank you um Angela all of them really important points thank you thank you very much for sharing those um Jun is there anything you would like to share also from the uh Korean experience um Korea is leading digital government Korea is leading open government uh efforts as well is there anything from what has been just shared that you would like also you know to give back to the to the room yeah thank you thank you so much for your kind comment and and and I think the both of the Count's case are very impressive and I believe that the role of government uh in building large scale uh National foundation and promoting participation of government and other private sectors is very important as uh in Indonesia and also uh I heard about the platforms ASB and death Ste is very famous and uh I think it's very Sensational Innovative and we also are now operating some uh platforms like uh suong 24 it it is this is in Korea and it means that communication uh 24 hours communication with government like that and and um also uh um I maybe other countries must have many many good cases but to tell you one of the cases in Korea um I would like to talk about mobile ID and which was recently launched and this is uh makes possible to store uh personal ID such as driver's license on your smartphone and uh can use anywhere the license needed so people can use ID anytime anywhere uh without carrying a paper document or plastic card and I think this is one of the best practices in the field of dig government but it also can me be mentioned as an example of cooperation and between public and private sector uh this is because consensus and cooperation uh with both sectors such as National Police agency and uh um as well as private um institutions like Banks hospitals or uh even a Lial shops uh are essential for this project so um yes uh this is the explanation about the mobile ID and there are also other cases in Korea but uh I expect that many of the Korean panelist here we provide and explain more later so and we have no most time so that's all I have thank you thank you Yun um I have one final question for all of you which is going to be I think touching directly on the topic of digital inclusion in the context of what have been all discussing but before that I would like to pass the floor to participants is there any question anyone would like to ask uh I would like to encourage you uh to raise your hand in the case that there is any specific question you would like to ask to any of the panelists or to all of them yes please so someone please can handle a microphone thank you so much it has been a very interesting discussion I'm from the Netherlands uh from the ministry of interior and we are also working very hard on open uh providing a more open government um I was very interested in the example that the participator from Indonesia mentioned um on your one Authority on um collecting data of uh uh Personnel um of people in the OR and I was wondering if um how you deal with the topic of different government institutions that may need a different level of information about Citizen and uh how you organize I'm not sure if this too this is too detailed but how you organize that um different uh government institutions collect those different parts of the data of the person and how you combine it then um and maybe I also if um it is uh uh that one organization collects basic data and then the other one continues to collect more data on the person and maybe also checks the first part I was wondering if that's also happening and in general um the comment that was made by the um by Angela I think from OCD um but uh you mentioned about how you make uh the the things you do a future proof for future generations and I would like to comment on that that we in the Netherlands are uh piloting already for a number of years something called a generational check so whenever a law or a policy is made um we uh try to look at how that impacts future generations and it is very difficult we've been piloting it for more than five 5 years now um and we have then these uh checks for like one year from the moment that the policy applies 5 year a thir year the thir year we already notice is difficult impossible almost to uh have foresight on but I was wondering if other organizations or other countries maybe also have these kind of pilots on how you foresee what the uh impact on future Generations is of policy now thank you thank you very much for those questions um we're running short of time so maybe din first and then Angela yeah so that's supposed to be going to be very long talk we can talk more about that but uh in order to making sure everyone uh needs uh we we can uh we I mean like we grab all the needs of the all stakeholders we creating like an um an online platform communication that can be accessed with all line Ministries and also from the national the local level so at the beginning we ask uh we open the platform this is the time for us to do planning for next year so we ask all the line uh Ministries and also the local government to uh input all the needs of their data into the platform and then uh including the meta metadata itself and also asking who's going to be producing this data and then after that we are uh communicating And discussing with the line Ministries uh asking is it your uh Authority and responsibility to produce this data or not and then after that we checking whether they have budget or not because when we are talking about producing data we require a lot of budget especially uh talking about 280 million people and then after that if it's not uh if the problem is budget so we sit together with the ministry of planning to making sure that the budget is going to be available for next year and then after that if the government government uh uh if the line Ministries agree to produce the data we are making sure that they're going to be following the princip uh the metadata and how the methodology going to be for producing the data so we are making sure that uh the data that produce going to be answering the needs of the uh the uh the consuming meaning the consuming is uh for the government and also for society um that's the the way the short shortcut of the way how we do we have uh like a platform so we can monitor because you know what even for next year we need to produce about 6,000 indicators not so in under the 6,000 indicators also including the variables to produce the indicator itself so there is an uh there is a we need a platform to communicate the needs so that's why we creating a platform we can talk more about that after the session I'm very happy to share about that thank you Den um we are over time so hopefully we can take one minute no we can no so we need to move on apologies but maybe Angela can uh answer to that important question during the coffee break thank you very much to all the panelist I hope that this was an interesting discussion I think it was thank you very much well thank you all for sharing your Global Trends and country cases let's give yes we already have and will now move on to the second session organized by the open government committee Korea the session will focus on engaging diverse stakeholders in problem solving let me introduce Professor Nam Yun who's serving as Civil Society co-chair of the open government committee Korea as our question [Music] moderator for good morning in order to save time uh let me begin uh first of all so we are going to start the second session uh I am namang Jun and I'm the moderator of second session I come on stage as a chair a moderator very frequently because I'm good at uh moderating but the best part is to complete my session within the given time so we need to solve all of the issues that we are faced with across the world so that's why the government is making efforts to make people participate more and more transparency Integrity accountability and stakeholder engagement are important open government's values and principles and in in also by cooperation we can find Innovative solution in this session we will talk about how to solve these issues through open government and how we have cooperated across the government civil Society Youth and international organizations what we have done and what were the challenges as well as the future directions for all of us so in this session uh we are going to talk about the engaging diverse stakeholders in problem solving and then we have panelist from the governments youth Community civil society and international organizations they are already on the stage and they have saved the time so let me first introduce our panelist and I will start with the one on my left so I have written down their names and if I pronounce your name wrong please let me know on my left uh from the ministry of interior of safety Korea we have director General kimji and on our left we have uh KATU hul Curry the financial counselor and head of the governor policy and we have Chong so the student of iwa Woman's University and we have M Shin Mii the director of Citizen Coalition for Democratic media and we have Mr Davis G head of open government unit from oity sorry Mr Carlos seso from O City so you are given eight minutes eight minutes per panelist so if I look insecure please note that your time is almost up so please keep your time uh we will first start with the director General Kim ji so we have some of the systems available in Korea such as kvom and CCTV uh transport analysis uh model uh which helped to uh solve uh social problems in Korea and how did the Korean government come to utilize data analytics to solve social problems and strengthen government capacity and what are some examples of its use is Juni Kim director of public data Bureau office of digital government Innovation minister of the interior and safety uh let me talk about Korean digital transformation and data governance let me start with little bit of General introduction and let me uh take a example of the case studies um since 1990s the Korean government has been promoting the development of ICT Technologies and advancing digital transformation as a part of national strategy entering 2000 with the rise of the first Industrial Revolution new technologies like big data iot and artificial intelligence started gaining attention as a result public data which is the product of digital govern began to be recognized as a a valuable new resources and data analysis is a critical tool for government Innovation the Korean government plans to continue expanding its use across various sectors with advances in Ai and data analysis let me take an example of AI and data analysis uh one notable example of data and AI being used collaboratively by by multiple stakeholders in the effort to prevent vo fishing in South Korea this initiative involves the ministry of the interiors and safety the ministry of Science and ICT the personal information protection commission the national forensic service and major Korean telecommunications in companies voice fishing has become a significant issue in Korea leading to a substantial Financial losses uh for for many citizens recognizing the severity of the problem the government thought to create a more comprehensive and coordinated approach to prevent such a fraud let me take let me tell you about the collaboration efforts together uh first actors are Financial regulators and investigative agencies the these organizations play a crucial role by providing real voice fishing call data to ensure privacy this data is sidon imized meaning uh that personally identifiable information is removed and masked before being shared this simiz data is then provided to private companies specializing in AI technology these companies are tested with developing and implementing AI systems specifically designed to detect protect and protect voice fishing attempts the AI systems analyze patterns in the data to identify suspicious activities and prevent fraud before it occurs the collaboration extend to telecommunication and financial institutions which work together under this initiative the government support this coroporation by improving regulations and interpreting existing laws to facilitate the seamless sharing and information and resources between these industries this regulatory support is crucial in enabling the private sector to implement AI driven Solutions effectively through this collaboration effort a sop a sophisticated system can be developed that can identify and block boys fishing attempts before they reach potential victims the AI systems analyze patterns in C data such as frequency origin and content to detect anomalies or irregular associated with voice fishing if you don't mind um maybe I can move on the second case uh this is about collaborative effort uh to the prevent voice uh the second case is AI in traffing monitoring and dis safety but uh rather than uh rather than illustrating more details maybe I have a second chance I will introduce the kind of case um so this case highlight how Korean government in collaboration with various stakeholders is leveraging data and AI to address complex issues by pulling resources and expertise across different sectors the government has been able to implement a more effective and proactive approach to protecting citizens this example also underscore the importance of Co cooperation in digital age where the challenges we Face often require innovative multidisciplinary solutions uh so thank you for your attention and for listening to me thank you very much director General she has has explained about the cooperation among organizations and some successful cases in Korea and in the case of Korea data sharing and collaboration among Ministries or the government agencies uh were uh very important topics but they gave up on their ownership uh and then they shared more in order to strengthen safety and security for the citizens and then we will move on to our second panelist who came from Finland uh so let me ask uh Council KATU hulur so I've heard that in Finland the government and Civil Society work together to address social issues so how specifically do you work with the Civil Society and what are the main outcomes that you can share with the world thank you thank you so much and first I just want to thank you for the possibility to be here today it's really a privilege and honor to be in in This Global Symposium uh in this lovely city so thank you very much for that also the topic is very close to my heart thank you for that also um I wanted maybe to start uh saying that um when you engage diverse stakeholders and the Civil Society it's also good first to look very near what I mean with this is that it's important also to when you link with civil society to look uh for the whole of government aspect to also include the different levels of government uh local and Regional together and all of the different administrative sectors uh that are in uh relative to the issue so always that is one starting point to also first engage diverse stakeholders in your own Administration when you start engaging uh other um stakeholders and in Finland we have a long tradition of engaging Civil Society actors and and researchers in in different um problem solving but there is always room for improvement and I would like to give you two specific examples on how we have tried to do that so to be to be better in in engaging uh Civil Society the first of my examples um and I apologize for those who the for whom I have talked about these issues before so this is a little bit of repetition maybe to some but the first of my cases uh and examples is our civil society Academy this is actually a proposal that came from the Civil Society themselves during uh when we were making our fourth uh open government action plan the idea behind this was that there was they saw a need of civil service an knowing how being better aware of how Civil Society organizations work and what is the changing role of Civil Society organizations in the society we started building this Civil Society Academy jointly together with them uh there are eight different Civil Society organizations represented in the in the working party or in the in in in realizing the Civil Society academic it has developed in a couple of years first it was more like a TR uh it it included training parts so really talking about what the Civil Society is about and and how the roles are changing we have changed that into e-learning courses for civil servants so now the academy is more like joint work and dialogue and these acmis now also exist on the uh Regional level so we meet together we dialogue Civil Society organizations and civil servants this is open to any Civil Society organizations any civil servant who are willing to uh to take part but it's not just getting together and creating this um Mutual understanding and actions it's also about building cooperation for problem solving and looking for weaker points to develop further and also to making these contacts for being able to better better then in the future engage each other as stakeholders for problem solving and for instance uh when we last had the Cil societ Academy before summer the theme was our uh countryes or our government Civil Society strategy uh uh that was the theme uh and there the idea was how to jointly start uh implementing this Civil Society strategy but also of course talking about what are the weaknesses of that Civil Society uh strategy these kinds of um this this Civil Society Academy and working together is Winn win because it's done jointly so it's not just civil so we asking Civil Society to help the government but it's also we trying to be helping the Civil Society and and being an enabler so so there is this kind of win-win uh attitude and it's been quite successful and and uh both both um parties are quite happy about the Civil Society Academy but there's always room for development in that as well the other case that I wanted to mention is our national dialogue surprise surprise to somebody who have heard many times me speaking about this this I actually consider myself as a winwin win case why because it bases on the idea that these National dialogues are organized by diverse organizers and anybody who wants to can organize a dialogue discussion the theme of the dialogues in Finland is is jointly decided by civil society and government for every half year so it's truly a joint exercise but the dialogues provide important information on economic social and environmental Chen challenges to government but and here comes the second win the organizers themselves and they can be civil society organizations they can be businesses they can be individual people they can be municipalities they can be whoever wants to organize a dialogue they are also able these organizers to use their own dialogue to their own purposes for development and not just their own dialogue but also the resume that comes from all of the national dialogues so it's not just the government that gets this inant information and uses it from the dialogue it's everybody who organizes these dialogues can organize their dialogues to profit their own development work to get their clients their persons their people's voices heard but also to kind of U use it directly but what's the best thing um in the dialogues and this is is the win-win win uh and I when I talk about dialogues I want to emphasize that these dialogues are in small groups maximum 12 people and you don't have to come to a joint conclusion you don't have to agree in the end it's about uh increasing your understanding about the issue about the others think about your own thinking and everything that is discussed is taken into notes and that's the valuable information we get but it's also an very valuable experience per se for the participants of the dialogues so in addition that it has an impact through the through the results of the dialogues in the government's policies at some point it also has an impact right at that point for the persons who are taking in the dialogues that's their uh feedback to us that it's really meaningful to take part since we started we uh uh some years ago we have had 800 dialogues and 200 different organizers so that's the very big value in this that in our in our society we have 200 different organizers and that's also important Network for for us and for our uh for for the Finnish Society this spring uh the theme was security and Trust we had 100 dialogues organized 100 uh 1,1 100 people participating and what's also important the age gap of other the age the of the participants was from 5 years old to 90 years old so we really reach the different audiences the different uh people and this would not be possible without the use uh of or without the wide partnership the networks and the organizers coming from different uh parts of of our society and at the time um we are always also looking to widen the of course the organizers of the groups we already uh think that we reach quite uh well also those uh people in the society who are less well heard so we've been able to uh reach uh mental health patients sex workers parents of disabled children uh elderly people very many different alcoholics living in shelters and so forth but we all the time also trying to look if there are for instance immigrant groups that we have not yet reached and try to get organizers who can reach those groups um and when I say we I refer to the Joint group that we we work with with the csos so in this this National dialogues is a completely joint project and I wanted in the end just to mention that we have three principles in this work the first one is openness and transparency so like I already already said anyone can join and principles are the same for everyone and no one party dictates the theme so the government has no veto in this there's trust and equality as the second principle so the activities are based on Mutual trust and equal cooperation throughout the process and then there is joint ownership so the openness and Trust enable the decentralization of the ownership of the national dialogues to all parties involved in the activities and just uh to mention that at the moment uh this Autumn we are talking about what brings us together in the Vish Society so this is the an effort to um fight against for instance polarization uh and this will also include for instance discussions on on the future of schools future and also the reporting about the social um um sorry sustainable development goals and so forth so these themes can be linked to very many areas and the results can profit very many different policy uh initiatives in policy U making in the Finish Society so thank you thank you very much uh the financial counselor um Miss Hulker um your remarks that that you are taking the citizens at the near nearest possible um of course it's really important that we pay attention to the citizens near so your first remark open remark was very remarkable of course we have to pay attention and listen carefully from the studens near so I'd like to uh cheer for the efforts of fill in thank you so much and I'd like to welcome the third student um the third speaker is the student of EA Women's University um across the world the fishing uh crimes are increasing around the world and you developed an app and in this process how the public uh data was used and what are the roles of the public data and what are the areas for cooperation between the public and the private from the St Point uh from the point of student can you please share nice to meet you I am so un I am a student of Iha wom's University first of all for the question that I'd like to talk about the direction and the role of the public uh data in the app that I developed that I'd like to share with you how uh the public data is used the name is fishing fishing we target fishing Crimes by using AI Technologies we prevent uh fishing crimes so that the public sector can prevent crimes and with the technology development there are Advanced techn um techn um advanced technology adapted crimes are increasing so um our app targeted preventing um advanced techn advanced crimes and we drew four main insights and then based on that we uh made fishing fishing there are five main functions in our app we use Mel AI the code the first is that we detect a male URL If the message is delivered to the user then the text message is analyzed and based on the white list the related URL in search and if uh the URL is matching with the uh the data source then it is considered as okay and if not then the we go through the analysis for dangers to decide the level of these dangers and the second function is fake submission so F missing if um text message is given it's sent to the consumer uh the receiver that the uh the consumer the recipient can also be trained not to be the victim of fishing and this um app allows the recipient the receiver of the mess uh message to report the crime to the police and the last function is collecting the crime cases so the victims can share their uh cases so that the group can prevent their um uh the future crimes fold there are two key database in our app is uh learning a machine learning database and the second one is generative AI data especially in the machine learning data that we used public data and the reported information is also uh regenerated so that the data is circulated in our machine learning this is the database model used for machine learning as you can see public data was used and this is how machine learning model it's been applied while developing the fishing fishing I realize the possibilities of adopting AI for serving um possible crimes since AI it can detect hidden patterns that it can help humankind to solve social problems for us to use AI to solve social issues we have to build right data if we put garbage in then the garbage will be out and this is the sentence that I have kept in mind depending on the amount of data and also depending on the quality of the data that you can get good results and the AI develop folder if you put good amount of data therefore it is urgent for us to collect as much much as uh data and also we have to process the data and also we need to do labeling as well and for us to build effective data we have to focus three uh first of all we need to secure as much as possible data as much as possible and the data needs to come from various sources AI detects potential patterns um in an area where human didn't see that the AI can see the connection and find the heating patterns quantitative data as well as sound and the image all this data can be trained in a machine learning model so we need to expand uh when it comes to collecting data for us to perform the three main assignments there is one key area private sector should not remain as a receiver the private sector should generate good amount of data as well my product fishing fishing collects data and the mail URL data um can be utilized to an open to the public sector the byy using the character istics of AI which can detect heaten pattern that we can apply AI to solve VAR social issues and to do that the private sector should not be the receiving end from the government but we should be the generator who can provide data to the public sector like we do through the app thank you I'm a professor teaching at University when I see students like um you know this student who goes beyond expectation that I get really I feel rewarded and there is some negative notion or perspective on AI but this is a positive example that we can apply Ai and we can obviously um apply AI to make our um social problem and please uh support Miss Jong by downloading the app and the next speaker is Miss Mii Shin she is the director of citizens Coalition for Democratic media this morning I as a chance to talk with OCD deputy secretary General in the world there is increasing number of Hast speech going on so how can we prevent what are the examples that you'd like to to share with us nice to meet you my name is miin I the director of citizens coition for Democratic media there are many citizens groups in Korea but um these groups are working hard to solve the issue of hate speech hate Expressions the group that I'm involved in was established in 1948 and it has 30 years of of um history we've been monitoring the Democratic uh media we are non-government organizations since it's opening in 1984 the founding members were the reporters journalists were fired by then government so the fired reporters they form the cient Coalition for Democratic media to reflect the voice of the citizens and with the power of citizens then we are still working to achieve Democratic media environment over the course of of 30 years that we've been monitoring uh media activities we've been monitoring the media uh especially the porter news and also we are monitoring YouTube content through these activities that we make sure that the media is reflecting the voices then we monitor if there are any false use and also report them when we detect them and as mentioned earlier we also monitor hate speech or hate speech related content discriminative and hate speeches cause social inequality so one of our important roles is monitoring ha speech we believe that the media can play an important role in affecting or making an environment where um hate speech is becomes conducive during the May 18th Democratic movement in the 1980s uh there was a a great Democratic movement occurred in Korea however there are many attempts uh distorting the history and the record so we are monitoring such movement and especially for the related uh Democratic movements occurred in tedu there are many distorted information going on so we started uh monitoring such uh news coverage or haast speech the reason that why we started having our attention paying attention to Hast speech is because in 2014 when s ship U was heading to Chu that the hundreds of students um were C sunken in the sea because the rescue team failed to rescue the students and that time the media distorted the news not only about the students but also the families therefore our citizens Coalition for Democratic media uh realize that we need to actively respond to the wrong information and that is the reason uh we started actively engaging in preventing false news in 2014 we are still continuously monitoring s uh ship related news and also the recent E1 Halloween uh incident is also one of our main um areas to Monitor and also we see increasing um speech hate speech against the lgbtq um the sex minorities and also vulnerable people so if we detect wrong information or hate speech that we are reporting such cases to the government and to stop hate speeches and we are providing training for the citizens so that they can better deal with hate speeches especially the target is Youth and students we divide them divided training for Youth and the young generations and also the general citizens and we've been conducting training to enhance um ability for the citizens to better deal with hate speech we're also working closely with we believe that the like Google U main news platform uh providers uh should comply with the rules so that uh Hast speech can be prevented if YouTube or Google are not active in preventing Hast speech then that can cause more problems so therefore our organization and the related citizen organizations have visited Google to urge them to actively do with hate um hate speech and also we sent an official letter to Global platform businesses in Korea like I said that the we are emphasizing um we are also um talking to this Main Global uh news providers to provide the fair information and not only that that we are working with the Korean organization a human rights organization and related uh civil groups formed the media declaration in 2010 um that it's media practical uh practice declaration so we gathered with the media people and the national government a national uh organization to provide guidelines for the people who are working in media to prevent haast [Music] speech National human rights committee has been opting forums to deal with Hast speech so stakeholders are gathered together to come up with uh Solutions last year with German um culture center we also held a conference and the theme was the p power of Truth we talked about how to deal with uh the hate speech in U Asia so the Germany Japan and Hong Kong and of course Korea participated in our organization uh citizens Coalition for Democratic media share the citizens efforts to monitor inappropriate Expressions used in media so we've been working closely with uh different stakeholders to produce good Synergy I introduce the efforts of the citizens um group thank you so I believe that it's the hatred speech is very contagious so it's really important to prevent that so I uh agree with you and and it was really good to know that you strengthen the media literacy education and then last but not least we are going to listen to Mr Carlos santiso and my question is like this as a representative of an international organization what are some of your International efforts to bring together different stakeholders such as Government civil society and Young Generation please yeah now thank you uh Professor Nam also let me also take this opportunity to thank the government of Korea for hosting this uh wonderful Symposium this morning uh and in particular our partnership between the OCD and the different partners here of the government North Korea the the the open government committee that you represent profess Nam but also the ministry of interior and safety the Korea policy Center and the Korean Institute of public administration uh so thanks again uh for for this space for dialogue and exchange which is one of the purpose of the OCD is like to provide this platform where people can exchange experience Insight in a in a trusted environment uh and let me also introduce myself a little bit more because I'm adding this work in the OCD that tries to combine both how open government public sector Innovation and digital uh government are interacting in different ways in different uh shapes or forms in different countries uh but at the end with a common purpose of uh putting citizens back at the center of policies and I think that's where these discussions around in Innovative open government uh and Innovations uh in in citizen participation is important because at the end is really to put people at the center of democratic politics and uh and um and um public policies in know an environment in which there's a lot of disengagement and this this disillusion with a lot of these processes in many of our democracies uh so I think that's one of the things that at the OCD we try to to to push forward like saying you know open government is much more than transparency and access to information is about meaningful inclusive participation of all kinds of citizens in policies and and I think that's important to to underscore and one of the challenge we see facing in many countries is actually how you include those who do do not participate for various reasons because they don't want or they can't and there's there's a issue that is quite challenging in terms of bringing uh people who do not necessarily participate in different policy processes back into those in a way that they are trusting not only the process but also the outcomes so trusting that they also actually uh uh listen to being listened to so um uh you know one of the things that we that we somehow struggling in in a lot of our democracies is really how to combine these two uh factors or these two processes around uh participatory processes and representation processes um in a way that you know that sometimes these process tend to be put into conflict uh but how do we make sure that these are actually complementary in the way you engage citizens Beyond elections on between elections um uh and let me just like take one one of example of how these challenges are reflected in in in in Our member countries in particular and let me take the case of Chile Chile has been trying to reform its Constitution over the in the past two or three years three times the and the three times people went say basically no to what was proposed to them and one of the challenges that the government of Chile faces is is that they tried to do that in different ways in ways that were engaging citizens in in meaningful ways uh so the first attempt was a very inclusive particip process that was designed in a very open Manner and then when was put to referendum the majority of people uh turn it down so they try again a second time uh where they look at stakeholders engage uh in a more in more limited manner where those who have a stake in those different reforms that the Constitutional reforms were putting forward were put together also in committees uh so that then after that was processed through the Parliamentary assembly in particular uh and then again that that was an attempt of you know activating the mechanism of representation of interest in a constitutional making process and then when it went to referendum again it was turned down so in in in in that's a reflection about how these sort of um tensions between representation and participation are playing out and how governments in particular in Democratic societies that are facing critical issues but also a lot of polarizations uh need to to address those and in the OCD one of the things that we we struggled with and that we are working on is the difference between stakeholders and rights holders uh and how you engage these type of uh constituencies to make uh to improve policies or to improve the the the the content of policies and these two groups or these two types of uh uh uh uh participants have a really a meaningful role and contribution to have in improving the quality of public policies so when you have stakeholders engaging in in in policies in which they have a stake obviously that will improve the quality of the policies because that will involve those that are directly in in in in in in directly sort of engaged or included in those policies and that that's a very important uh processes and we see that for example in how governments are regul are designing regulations in different sectors where you engage stakeholders in those sectors to improve the quality of those regulations but then you have citizens and citizens don't necessarily have a stake in specific policies but they have rights to express their opinions and the Trad off between different priorities that that are being sold and in that case uh citizens as rights holders and could be more like including a shareholders of democracies can express the opinion on policies that they don't neily have a stake on and some of these things are are quite difficult to uh to manage for a lot of a lot of countries and a lot of governments but to do that in a in in an effective way one of the lessons we we see from the oecd countries is that this participation has to be inclusive and and meaningful uh inclusive in the way the different actors in particular those who do not participate are Brad into those processes but also meaningful in terms of having an impact that governments also communicate back in terms of what has been the results of those uh those participations so I'll be very short in in a couple of examples there but um one of the ways that we see for example uh these things playing out in in in the level of trust is that some groups uh tend to trust governments less and they tend to be participating less for example uh um we know that women tend to trust less government uh trust governments less than men for example young people trust governments less than uh more uh adult so I think one of the challenges like to find tailored approaches to all of these kind of uh community so that they effectively can be brought into the F an example from New Zealand for example where the government there has been doing a lot of efforts for for a long time in trying to build the maoris into the different policies not only those that are affecting the Maori Community but broader policies as well and this is an interesting process where whereby uh it's a in it's a mechanis that is not adoc but it's like an Institutional process where you you bring the mechanis of including that type of populations into the fold um we've seen and we've doing a lot of work work around citizens assemblies as a way to bring different uh right holders uh into these discussions around policies we see for example around managing the green transition where uh citizens assemblies have been quite effective have bringing different voices uh to Bear into these uh into these policies um uh these mechanism in particular delative uh citizens assemblies also be quite effective because they've been like quite proactive in engaging those uh specific community that tend to participate less and providing different ranges of perspectives uh for example and and and supporting the participation of those communities for example around uh providing uh compensation for participation helping Transportation uh and helping a number of costs that are related to that participations one of the examples also we have from a that has been quite effective is from from Spain in in the past country for example in toosa where there's been like a proactive uh effort by the Spanish authorities to engage citizens that do not necessarily tend to participate effectively in those processes to have their say um uh let me just like conclude because we also uh quite short on time here about how digital is basically changing these uh these equations in in good bad and and ugly ways in many uh in many ways and uh our colleague has has has has outlined some of these ugly ways that uh Technologies are also changing these uh these games but uh what we see is that also Technologies and different in particular Civic technologies have a huge potential to more effectively engage some population in particular the youth in different processes and again uh in the panel before uh a friend from Spain also uh mentioned the experience for example of City governments in Barcelona and Madrid that have uh done these uh participatory platforms to engage citizens in particular the youth in in in terms of policies um and then we've seen that for example earlier this year in Europe uh what we the network of young European Federate federates to also develop a a c civic participation platform to engage people and particular the youth around the big challenges of the um parliamentary elections in Europe uh in June and that was quite effective really to get the the discussion going um but at the same time we also see some of the challenges and in particular around Ai and we've seen that a lot of um countries are trying to also bring different stakeholders and right holders around the discussion on AI regulation but also AI is also like a big tool to uh digest participation more effectively but it also can be used to distort participation and so there's also the other side of the coin and and in in that discussion in particular you have a coin with two faces No a positive and a negative in many ways um so let me conclude there and and really reinforcing what that one one of the conclusion we have on our work around participation in trust in particular is really the issue that uh the need to go beyond participation as a mean but also in terms of the results that he has uh to have a specific impact on policies so that people also are trusting that uh processes we see in governments like Brazil for example that are establishing these mechanisms very effectively in terms of engaging uh people in policies but also having governments feedback people on how they've been take how how they've been listened to and I think when we talk about those issues that the issue of uh listening right to the voices of the people is quite important so thank you thank you very much uh inducing and leading uh participation from many different stakeholders would not be easy but we could learn from the experiences from Spain and Chile and then uh we are a little bit behind the schedule but I was wondering if there's any question from the floor from the five panel from the floor to the five panelists maybe we can answer one question before closing the session hello I'm from the ministry of Justice I'm lawyer Chang okay one uh first of all uh thank you for sharing many different perspectives about share about solving issues together uh with the uh government and the Civil Society together my question goes to Miss Kim and Mrs CH when it comes to voice fishing app and CCTV app you said the public data is used and if public data is used maybe the calls or texts that were shared by citizens may be used so rather than public data I think that goes into the Privacy uh area as well so solving the social issues by using public data and AI would be a good result but at the same time when you collect the data Maybe privacy violation may happen so what's your opinion about this and how are you working on this so rather than Chong I think it's better for director General Kim to answer this question um my voice fishing case uh use the data the inside government including the personal information the call data actual crime actual data used in crime voice fishing crime the phone uh the scam over the phone uh the data is different we have so I I empathize the pseudonymization and anonymization it is not it cannot be uh detected it cannot be uh recognized as a personal data it's different data um so uh she used the uh the public data it is not uh including the Privacy the data personal data it is only already opened uh she explained the data is about uh SMS and URL the sour this already published by uh organization released by internetan but our voice pishing data we are collaboration of Ministry of the interior and Ministry of the I also Ministry of um the uh price privacy protection commission and also including uh the financial committee and also the the data from national foric service Kuku Kuku and police Administration so the the collaboration of Ministries agencies investigative bodies uh they have all uh the it that is it is public data but it is not released to the public it's different data but also uh she used the already public data it also valuable because um the crime data cannot use or release to the public so we just this is the uh very uh important collaboration between Ministries and so there is just some treatment process all data cannot be released to the public uh we so I uh so I EMP I like to emphathize the sudation andiz and anation this so I I'd like to clarify the data is different open to the public and inside government is uh evidence-based Administration evidence evidence-based policy for in order to achieve evidence-based policies we also utilize between Ministries agencies and administrations also including uh private Industries so uh there let me finish this and then maybe thank you very much director General Kim I know that she can give us more and more explanation but I had to stop her because of the time limit so we have already use up our time so uh if you have more uh opinions to share please contact our committee uh thank you very much once again please give them another big round of applause to the speakers thank you very [Applause] much thank you thank you Professor n and speakers that wraps up our second session which emphasize the importance of co-creation and partnership now we are going to set up the stage for the session three our final session organized by the Korea institute of public administration will explore collaborative Innovation for addressing future policy challenges and with interest of time then I would like to request that the conversation is Led according to our agreed time schedule uh and let me introduce uh moderator Professor natun to the stage and the speakers for yes um the final session uh will start and the floor is yours Professor now everybody Welcome to session three that um in session three that we're going to talk about collaborative Innovation for addressing future policy challenges and the session is given by the Korea institute of public administration nice to meet you my name is Professor na I am from the yante University since we are running behind the schedule that I'd like to start by introducing our panelists let's begin I'd like to introduce Mr josean Dr josean he's from senior she's from senior research she is a senior research fellow Korean Institute of public administration and also senior research fell of Science and Technology policy Institute pakanu and so I'd like to welcome Pang Secretary General um of citizens Coalition for better government and also uh Mr Tong um assistant editor of H and Mr paasen chief of global program of ogp Welcome since we are running behind the schedule I'd like to ask panelists to give so miss CH I'll give you 15 [Music] minutes nice to meet you today I'd like to talk about the uh collaborative Innovation for addressing future policy challenges I'd like to talk about what collaboration has been made over the last 5 years that we have been operating Open Lab in the Korea institute of public administration our lab was established to deal with the various issues and for us to deal with the various issues that we need to involve different stakeholders so in our policy lab that we need to utilize various methods and this methods will help us to establish the open government I have two types of examples for local ones and the overs ones but today I'd like to focus on the curan cases as you're familiar that our policy lab was established to um encourage collaborative Innovation because for complex issues the a central government cannot solve the issues alone so we believe that we had to work with different stakeholders to come up with innovative solutions to build the open government very various stakeholders had the platform to talk and collaborate and this involves creative procedures so as part of such efford policy lab it's being utilized policy [Music] lab collects different components and these are consisting factors and then we also have refer to oecd oops and taking this opportunity I'd like to thank oecd oops our policy lab recognizes the policy issues from the user centered perspective we see uh problems as comprehensive uh problems so we work with different stakeholders especially the public sector so the different public um agents must have different perspectives so we combine our views together and we combine not only top down but also the bottom up approaches so that we can detect identify areas to improve abroad um audiences can identify fast uh changing environment and what are the solutions again in this environment public servants cannot come up with Solutions so we need to keep up with the fast changing environments and the trends so fast um we need to keep up with the fast changing Trends and by using this policy lab that we share the responsibility that the public servants uh share our responsibility and also we expand our uh Network and these are the consisting factors of policy in terms of methods that we identify problems together and then we apply systematic approach systematic thinking and multi- uh level thinking and with the various stakeholders involved that we identify problems we review various cases over scenes and there are menu running polyps I'm sure that you're familiar with this design that's the innovation frork has open this kind of um scheme and based on that that I have added the rols of each stage our pocy lab is doing a role in between number one and the number two in terms of stage for dealing with uh overs [Music] cases there are cases uh stage three stage 4 and I know that the uh the fent cases cover number seven in terms of stage so I'm going to skip the overs cases so to deal with the future issues that we adopt sustainability as one of our important agenda and in the UK that the government operates on policy lab so design thinking has been adapted to solve public U issues and also in this process collaboration involving various stakeholders is encouraged and an autonomous Fel um can be uh agenda and to utilize autonomous Fel various stakeholders are involved that is also a good example and Nea is familiar with you right in the UK and the US case is in this lab it's also providing training and supporting um to supporting uh public sectors to um solve their issues in the US um Academia and their uh research outcomes are adapted into public uh problem solvings and now I'd like to talk about Korean examples not only our lab but also that we are working with the kdi and then science research centers we have created an open platform we started such app in the economic sector the planning Ministry wanted to involve the private sector because they realize that if the public servants come up with the solutions that sometimes those Solutions are difficult to be app app uh applicable to uh the private sector so the government servant public servants realize importance of bottom of approach so that is why the lab was established that was the beginning of public lab especially in the planning Ministry budget and planning Ministry and the role of lab is keeping up with the trend and this it's based on the understanding that um sectors have to work together going beyond the silos so open policy lab or or the open innov Innovation lab has been utilized so kipa kipa has been inviting experts and then we had a flexible approach in terms of a deciding agenda we are a research institute however we had to start different approaches we of course had to analyze the agenda but before doing that we had to invite other stakeholders to come up with agenda and to do that we uh worked with working groups and then we had to further EXP expand our network uh through various channels especially uh workshops so through this Workshop that we added and learned each other through knowledge and also we performed as a coordinator and we worked as a designer and Constructor keeping the opinion and construct them for us to reflect them on policym we search the agenda and we also discuss the agenda and apply them as you can see that we are uh applying a comprehensive approach and in this process that we seek uh various public sectors and the collaborators and after that we uh set up working group and then again identify agenda and then set the comprehensive approach we don't have enough time to go through each stage we have conducted various seminars with experts and by listening to expert opinions that we did our best to hear voices from different representations and to invite various stakeholders we considered the various approaches and to reflect various forces as much as possible and various based on these various activities that we combined um agendas and also we identify what are the rol what are the activities going on in Silo and identified the areas to for further collaboration we met with different stakeholders and we uh talked with experts and workshop the working group the number of the participants in the working group is high however when we um hold a workshop that we had indepth limited with the limited number of experts starting from 2020 we've been operating opl open policy lab we started a smart Mobility service and in 20201 one we expanded our scope we talked we mainly dealt with smart moving and robots and the related human resources in 2021 that we started um promoting the human resources and Robotics and we started listening from the private sector in 2022 and we started considering a digital twin and what are their as to focus for public sector to realize digital twin and to communicate better we form different working groups to communicate better and in 2024 we started extending expanding our scope we started our approach in the economic sector as you can see that our range has expanded into the population decrease in rural areas and this portfolio has been formed and this year we've been focusing on the population change and this is an amazing opportunity because the ministry of inter and safety also focuses on um dealing with population decrease in rural areas so we are on the same page in terms of the uh agenda Focus we've been [Music] operating working groups on uh many areas one area is public sector AI for different working groups that we are applying top down and bottom bottom up I think this is really meaningful that U we are not only solely uh working but we're working closely with the ministry of interior and safety on the same agenda you see this achievement so far while operating the working group that we've been uh meeting with the public of course uh private and Academia and we've been running various tools and systems and we have visualized agenda to help the participants understand better we suggested 32 strategies and this one shows how we work uh to solve mobility issue in a new area and the second agenda that I'm showing you here is the robot uh delivering Goods so this innovative solutions should be not only talked in the public sector but it should be utilize actively so uh we also open to more opinion to have our ideas being implemented and this is about robot Robotics and Human Resources development Human Resources the experts in the robotics that they should not only build robots but they should be able to manage so we operate a working group to support the human resources development and just little T related content and this is the slide about the population decrease how to deal with it and we sent our research uh fellows to task force group to deal with population decrease and for AI issues that we've been working closely with experts inviting the public sector and the private sector in you see that we are brain storing for uh agenda so besides this points that we have also made other achievements uh one is that the researchers here in our group um see their roles more creative and we are utilizing various tools like design thinking has been um applied to and also we've been working closely with the Mongolia um uh public uh servants so for us to achieve Innovative collaboration what can we do through a policy lab of course we have to provide training um to promote design thinking and system thinking and not only tools but also we have to set up good mindset and to operate the policy lab we have to form good uh structure organizational structure and the government has to provide Innovative uh support because the policy live often can be new and as the last page before close I'd like to discuss how we can collaborate with the government there are uh public servants who are responsible for in inovation so these experts should provide support to policy laps so that these experts can be invited in the process and they the public servant and the policy lab uh researchers should work together to micromanage and this process new agenda can be developed then the ministry of interior and safety can provide budget and also support this kind of flexible approach would make the policy lab and its operation more successfully thank [Applause] you thank you very much she has some more as well within the given time and then I believe that the participation of different uh stakeholders engagement would be one of the most important characteristics for the open government and then I have also participated in one of the labs that she mentioned and I'm I don't know if you have that experience as well but what I felt was that flexibility and security and were good values that we could gain but at the same time learning something from each other was really important experience as well uh and then we could know what we were not doing well and then we could learn and then we could make Improvement that was helpful for the public and the private as well however there should be some limitations as well and the concerns I think it would be good if we can talk about that uh later but if we have any chance later so now uh let me start the panel discussion uh we have only 20 minutes left so please use only five minutes per panelist I will start with let's start with Mr Park hello I'm pakanu senior research fellow from science and techn policy Institute of Korea uh we had a good chance to uh study uh and then experiment the lab uh on our platform uh just like the Korea institute of public administration did uh I think we can share our own experiences and the differences as well so we are uh one of the national research institutes in charge of science and technology and our uh goal is a smart uh producing and Manufacturing the manufacturing is our keyword so maybe the companies were most of the participants digital transformation is a big issue for the world and then we have operated this to understand how digital transformation will affect the businesses the working groups consisted of experts on site and they focus more on the future issues uh and then we invited 10 people so it took about three months to organize a single working group and I think that was a really good uh important experience because it took some more time to organize the group and it was a big mission to bring right candidates otherwise we would be lost in the middle of the process so that was really difficult so we had interviews and then we uh organized a group and then after that uh we tried to find out how we would proceed with that uh we wanted to know uh whether they came on behalf of the company or on behalf of themselves and you know uh if we send a letter like notice to like businesses or companies uh as um as as an official letter that it would take more time so we invited personally and then we need a facilitator and then facilitator uh should have should be able to translate the onsite language to the PO language because the language understood by the people on the site are more like complaints or requests but to translate it into policy language somebody should um play role so our goal uh our role was like a facilitator to translate this and we could not do it at once so when we I had more and more discussion in September and October we had a separate workshop for Trans ation only so the experts uh like the administrative experts did not join the workshop and then we went through this workshop and it took about five years just like uh Mr L said um if you ask me whether they were incorporated into policies then well I cannot say yes right away but uh we have talked about global standard and people develop their interest in this and then PE and then Korean companies usually request uh standard but they don't participate in making that standard so that's one of our big concerns so communication was really important listening to each other and and then incorporating it to make better policies so that was really important and meaningful result from that group and then while uh discussing together we could also build some trust in public sector I don't know if they really trusted or not but still they could know what public sector was doing at least but it was kind of unfort fortunate that public officials could not participate in our uh efforts I'm not sure the ca but maybe it was unfamiliar for the public officials for that kind of process or or maybe they failed too heavy accountability but I think it would be good if we have more public officials to participate in the middle of the process so we have completed almost 5 years and from next year we will start a new Pro project so that we can make more efforts uh to bring whatever is discussed on site to make it as a new policy for Korea and for open government we will see it from the open government and the Innovation public policy Innovation perspective and we will continue our trials uh from next year as well so how much uh public policies uh have Incorporated the voices from the side will be our Focus thank you very much thank you Mr Park uh he has shared very Vivid experiences from Don site so Steppy uh plays a rol and responsibility of the research institute even as a facilitator so I think that was really meaningful and now let's listen to Secretary General Pang five minutes please so we have listened to what have been done uh from the open government committee and I uh have led the citizens Coalition for better government of Korea and we have worked with the Young Generation to S make a policy suggestions and then youth Osman uh is now in operation under our coalition while doing so uh many roles are played by the research institute and then that's our consideration as well but in addition to that well well we are not in the full implementation phase yet but uh I believe that the policy Labs uh should uh think about the implementation Steps From Now On already because when we try to implement sometimes we are not fully ready so in the uh in the policy lab as we have many stakeholders engagement I think it would be good if we can talk about more specific systems uh to implement whatever was discussed and then he has talked about a separate Workshop to translate into public policy that was a really good idea and then how we can collaborate more to improve the capacity uh and then how we can make a kind of a vanue or platform to share such ideas well I think they are really important and I think research institutes must play role to improve this area and unfortunately researchers cannot study conduct studies on what they want to study but rather they are studying the issues that were proposed by the government so I think uh we need to make a system where the social where the needs from the society will be reflected on the latest research subjects and also citizens and stakeholders uh must be must consider themselves as a Global Citizens uh labs are working uh for mostly domestic issues but I think all of the issues are all connected and they transcend National borders they are coming to us very uh fast so we have to have a sense of Global Citizens and and the members of global community so we have to keep this together and then we have to educate people around the world at the same time Ministry of Finance and Ministry of interior and safety and then prime minister's offices uh must play more roles and then the roles of the ministry of science like Ministry of ICT uh must be expanded as well and I think they all start from the cultural changes so Ministry of culture uh is also playing a really important role here the government's roles are important so that the related government agencies will work together so we need the platforms to connect uh the every effort flexibility integrity and transparency must be improved and then the level of information sharing inside must be improved roed and then the members uh must work really together to share creation and uh sharing of such work and I think in that way we will have a more uh tangible result so we need to um conduct new experiments to implement good uh platform so our question should be how so open policy lab is based on our uh deliberation on how then how we can monitor our Improvement that is also an important role for K to take and Miss part thank you Secretary General part thank you and then I'd like to give the microphone to Tong M the assistant editor at H working for the hilbo uh the mother paper of Korea times I'm happy and honored to be here today to share my thinking about the uh the open government and the ways for the co collaborative Innovations or Innovative collaborations um actually um I had experienced working in the asan countries as a foreign correspondent so I could I could have take chance to see and listen how the government working together in that area so this is one point that I want to know um while I'm covering the ministry of Home Affair in Korea uh I think it will take uh more than one hour when I speak in English I got to I got to take the interpreted chance uh [Music] um I've been thinking why am I here I'm a reporter journalist public sector introduces policies and I am standing between the citizens and the public sector and adds a standing add a person standing between these two I'd like to share my thoughts one of the important agenda that the government is focusing its population decrease and also environmental issues if I see this two these are really difficult to solve we've been solving the humankind has um dealing with this various existing issues however that the government government is struggling in terms of um population decrease and the environmental degradation so the two areas require Innovative collaboration this word open government gives me the thoughts I wonder why should it be open it's because there are issues that one single government cannot solve so the governments have to hold hands together then we have to talk about how we can do better to enhance collaboration we have to decide where to collaborate as a journal IST that I've been thinking about where to collaborate if the reporter doesn't go to the field um an incident happens then you read the news then you don't feel the site then the reporter uh produces the garbage because the article doesn't contain the voices of the site so this is the same I think I see some commonalities in the roles between the reporter and the public off officials if the public U officials don't go to the site then you cannot hear the voices if reporters write articles without going to the site then the news lose the voice of the people in the site I see that the ministry of interior and safety the public servants are going to the site and try to hear the voices of the um citizens so I think that is very recommendable and I'd like to focus since I talked about the area I'd like to talk about the subject it is ideal that public and the private sector have to work together but we have to work together with foreign countries in terms of economic status Korea is number 10 like 10ish but the problems that we're facing are not solely Korea's problems uh population drling it's not Korea's problem we also see that the Japanese government is struggling with population decrease issue so we can work closely with Japan starting from Monday that internal uh Affair government official officers are working together Japan and Korea are working together so we have meeting in Japan and also in Korea there are policies that we can learn from from uh Japan and one good example is living population if you set the population number as a number then you played zero some game with other local governments the two countries have shown interest [Music] in in the Japanese Japanese example be corporations observe human resources from local communi so young people go to the um know Center area to work for big corporations so the big corporations also provide support to these decreasing local areas so my point here is that we not only cooperate between uh public and private sector but also we have to work with the other overseas Partners thank you thank you for your clear um clear Direction so we have to focus not only the area but also the subject we have to expand our partnership with the with other um foreign counterparts and please continue to your hard work and now I'd like to welcome Paul [Music] Masen thank you um so many so many interesting things in the conversation so far um I'd like to respond to so much but I see a clock in front of me and I know I'm standing between you and lunch so I'll I'll be short um the argument I would like to make I can't add to the Korean examples obviously but the argument I would like to make is that the open government movement the open government partnership in itself is is a global policy lab and it it touches on your point that we need to crossb uh collaboration now one of the most important things that came out of the conversation was the importance of uh participation bringing in different voices voices from the field making sure they're heard um and if you listen to the the words of Mary Beth Goodman this morning uh that that referenced the trust survey of the obcd you can understand why that's so important um for those who feel they have a say in government 69% trust national government for those who feel that they don't have political agency and they cannot uh influence government it's only 22% so that importance of of political agency of giving people a say having them participate is incredibly relevant and we've seen of course a wave of Innovations on on uh participation on deliberative Democracy some work better than others I think we're all still trying to figure out which method to use one uh when but the idea of participation as itself as an important topic I think is um uh um is clear by now so if you take uh a number of aspects of what Innovation and policy Labs look like uh and you plot them on the open government partnership I think you get a very nice match so let me try this and I tried it last night so if it doesn't work um tell me over lunch and I'll try something else next time um so the reason ogp was created was that there was an idea in the room at the time that the existing multilateral approach uh with you know geopolitical Dimension that favored the West didn't really fit anymore in trying to answer the complex problems we were facing so the idea of ogp was to turn that around um and make it much more bottom up so ogp in itself was designed to change the status quo of international organizations International organizations approaches um and the top- down thinking that they often have but the model it created the second important point is a model of co-creation between stakeholders from inside and outside government so going beyond the public sector which is another important element of policy labs to shape an ambitious agenda to set priorities and to create trust and buy in across society that co-creation in the case of ogp is locked down in permanent dialogue mechanisms or multi-stakeholder fora or open government committees as it's called here in um here in Korea and one of the reasons to do that is to guide yourself against political vulnerability um innovation has the the tendency and it came out of the presentation as well um to appear something is tested piloted and then sometimes it disappears because we don't immediately get it right uh or because another Minister comes into place that doesn't like the idea and wants something new so having a permanent dialogue a permanent conversation is a way um to counter that political vulnerability it also allows to address more complex problems Wicked problems uh as it was called uh because the action plan cycle of ogp um allows for iteration over time you start with something simple and the next action plan you improve it many countries in ogp in their first action plans made the commitment to open up government data and they did massively but without necessarily thinking about the quality of the data uh the interoperability of the data or the user of the data that came in action plan two 3 4 5 six peer learning and support is at the heart of our approach uh as ogp uh as as a couple of colleagues on the panel have mentioned you can do a lot on your own you can do much more if you have an open mind to what others have done and learned um so the peer learning the peer support the peer inspiration is incredibly important especially because so many problems nowadays are cross border and there is a strong emphas emphasis on um not just action through the action plans obviously but also experimentation and Innovation uh and celebrating that uh already um sharing inspiring ideas before they are implemented and sometimes that's criticized because okay let's wait first to see if it actually happens but we feel it's really important to also show the ideas that are out there the plans that are out there and then see how you can help each other um and of course that approach often encounters skepticism and resistance as does many Innovations um because they challenge the ways of working and they challenge how people are used to doing things um we try to counter that with that inspiration and energy as I said um but more importantly also with real results and I think after 12 years of of experimentation our data at least shows us that if you work with other stakeholders if you really involve them in the conversation you get more ambitious agendas but you also get better results um so that way of participatory approach and co-creation actually works um and finally the ambition of open government um everyone will have their own definition um but I think for me personally it's important that it's not just about strengthening democracy or um um better government in itself that's almost a it's a goal in itself but it's also a step towards better societal outcomes right better outcomes for the people and with the people I think that's the essence of um of open government so if you combine and um compare open government and policy Labs I think you will see there's a lot of similarities that are important and I think the one I want to close with is I think the challenge we also have in common uh the challenge is that whenever you're working on Innovation and experimentation the risk is that political vulnerability the risk is also Solutions not sticking and I think the challenge policy Labs have but also the open government movement has is how do you go from Niche to mainstream how do you make sure that open government is not a conversation of a handful of people in the ministry but it's actually translates cross government uh and it becomes institutionalized and mainstreamed I think that is the big challenge for us as the open government movement and I think that probably is also the big challenge for policy labs to figure out how they can make sure that these Wicked problems these big societal problems um are just not discussed uh in a participatory way um but actually lead to the um outcomes societies need long term thank [Applause] you thank you very much so uh as Arnold said and as Paul said we are faced with complex uh issues around the world and then I hope that ogp will help us to step towards the solution for the global Community we are way behind the schedule but I was wondering if there's any question from the floor if there's no question we will close here and then maybe yesterday or the day before yesterday I saw one question uh the children the young people said that thought that they the government is not doing its job uh enough to tackle climate change and they F lawsuit against the against the government and they actually won the case so the young Generations are all included in our solution and then and then the lawsuit actually the result actually recognized the importance of the role of the future generation so I'm sorry that I cannot give you more minutes but let us uh wrap up session three thank you very much thank you all for your Lively discussions and this concludes our sessions for today and today uh the GL Bal Symposium and open government featured uh discussions how we can co-create and partner with each other to solve problems together and uh participants discuss a wider range of topics from everyday issues like traffic congestions and hay speech to policy challenges for future Generations such as the population and Regional shrinkage and uh lastly uh to conclude today's Symposium I'm pleased to welcome director General hang bog of government Innovation at the ministry of the interor and safety he will summarize the key points from today's discussions and provide closing remarks let's get give him a warm Round of Applause good afternoon my name is Hong I'm the director general of government Innovation Bureau of Ministry of interor and safety I've been writing notes um while listening to the discussion so I'd like to go through everything but I don't have enough time uh but before I finish that I'd like to once again thank you uh financial councel and head of the governance policy unit of Ministry of Finance in Finland Miss Kat hul thank you so much we are here to talk about uh the open government it means that would like to uphold the values of open government democracy and we are here together work closely to make a better Society we have listened to various good examples and I'm sure that the current audiences would found these examples very uh informative and in the information that we will have another meeting uh this kind of occasion shows how uh the world uh our counterparts Global counterparts are working together to make the earth a better place to live we are here to prevent the problems that can uh make the lives of Young Generation difficult in the future we are uh given wonderful tools Technologies so we have to wisely use them um I'd like to add more however we are running out of time so I hope that the foreign counterparts have wonderful time in Korea and I look forward to uh meeting you in the afternoon again thank you so much for joining us thank you director General as we wrap up this enlightening sessions I want to extend my sincere gratitude to all distinguished moderators speakers and the audience joining us in person and online uh I'd like to thank all of you for your active participation and valuable insights thank you [Music]