yo what up yo poate peasant is that what you're calling yourself yeah oh Bo always initial that's true always got to do that we're here with the apostate Prophet the Dizzle and someone from diet Canada up here as well thanan thanan is back what's up you're gonna be in diet Canada with me later uh this we that's right we're gonna be in diet Canada this week I'm gonna freeze my ass off yeah wait a minute who is than I don't even know than I'm just some dude don't worry about it yeah yeah he's just some dude so I got to be on timcast okay okay yeah oh oh you were [Laughter] serious I'm I'm the new guy Mike hired to be on inspiring philosophy oh good so so I got to be on Tim k I was supposed to be on timcast with ap because originally I was told that it was going to be a two on two kind of thing with Tim in the middle and then I told AP hey hey they want us Friday like I told him a week ago and then they were like nah we just want to do one-on-one instead because Ian wants to be there and you know so sorry AP it was supposed to be us but I got to go debate on Tim gas and it was glorious awesome well when I when I found out um when I found out that it's just going to be you and that I'm not coming I thought oh good man I was I'm supposed to go there like I don't I don't care but anyway I'm glad that you win at least they were like hey he's a loser we don't want him yeah I thought I was gonna have to do a lot of the heavy lifting but really like Tim P like was really doing a lot of the fighting for me half the time like he was getting really annoyed by deconstruction Zone AKA Justin who was debating opposing my view and Tim wasn't having any of it I think you got to realize like at one point David Tim just said you know he said something like you know you look kind of dumb with one of the arguments he was saying he like yeah that was straight from the mouth I was losing my mind listening to this cuz I was expecting you to go in on him and I was so surprised that Tim was handling most of it and how good he was at like calling him out on the random nonsense that he was doing the fact that he didn't even like know that he's wants to critique the methodology of your studies but then doesn't even know the methodology of his own studies when that came up and Tim harped on it I was losing it yeah we're gonna go over that but like for example this Super Chat says IP I think you should have went harder on him there's a reason I didn't because T because you got to know who you're talking to Tim likes to control his show and he has every right it's his show I've seen this before on a show when people start getting rowdy and interrupting he takes control and he immediately starts like being in a little bit more like coming after you so that's sort of what happened I said a couple things Justin started getting upset and going after the topic interrupting me a lot and Tim wasn't having it and so Tim started coming down harder on him because Tim likes to run a show so you let Tim run the show he wants to have a conversation with you you interject when you see fit but don't try to take over his show so the reason I didn't go hard on him was because hey Tim was doing it for me and B it's Tim show I'm not there to own the show and when you do that Tim will you know he'll get back at you for that plus I uh I want to point I I also want to point out that uh the the great hypocrisy here because of the Super Chat by what was it AK Crusader um he said I think you should have went harder on him it's it's it is you should have gone harder on him not you should have went harder on him ah he's got you AKA Crusader and this a guy who's does barely speaks English correcting you how's that feel like like English is like the 12 language he's learning he barely speaks English he doesn't he don't understand things like prepositions and pronouns he gets his pronouns wrong all the time and and he's correcting your grammar how's that feel I hey AK whatever I think you uh I think you should have gone harder on learning grammar what's wrong with you why why are we going off on this guy all he did was say Gott harder on this doe how to interpret Romans nine in a non-calvinist way check out Tim stratton's work he's got some stuff on that uh freethinking Ministries if you want that's not what we're discussing here today does quantum mechanics violate the PSR um no it does not uh because the principle of sufficient reason says there's a reason for everything that happens and there's still a reason certain things happen in quantum mechanics what's random is like Decay right we don't know when something is going to Decay but there's still natural laws causing Decay rate so no it does not at all want to start doing apologetics any tips also opinions on Calvinism I find it problematic like elect um yeah I find Calvinism problematic as well uh apologetics start doing shorts to build up an audience because people will see those more often is what I would say uh thoughts thought in the interview Justin was going to say sky daddy Sky daddy is IP gonna be on pbd next joking well I'd love to be but yeah he dude he used so many CR cringy atheist like Reddit arguments like one point we're just like we're talking about like how conservatives tend to move towards a culture of like morality and tradition and liberals tend to say hey so Hedonism is okay just do whatever you want and he goes yeah but children are get abused in churches it's like what's this have to do with the actual topic he's got a point that does happen it does yeah hey two plus two is four too you know that that's that's true statement uh humra nuts the Teen Titans have assembled Teen Titans very rude very nice um IP or than I'll pay you $500 to knock out David wood I can't reach him he's in Virginia but I would because I'm so much more powerful than him he's taller than I am so if if he kneels down a little bit maybe uh yeah plus it couldn't happen because so oh yeah we talked about that when we were in Texas I remember that in tank so if you don't know if you don't know Justin from deconstruction Zone he is a militant anti-theist he really you try to he does like live Tik toks where he just debates with Christians and asks them why God is torturing people in hell and why God is a sociopath and this kind of stuff and so I would wasn't know what what to what to expect I met him but he was actually very cordial and nice in public totally un unlike his YouTube online Persona very nice guy very cordial but the problem is he just said a lot of things that were just factually wrong like at one point he claimed senica called for the abolition of slavery that was a lie he claimed China abolished slavery at one point that was a lie he claimed India abolished slavery at one point that was a lie he claimed the most likely place that child sexual abuse occur occurs is is at church that is a lie he claimed that the New Testament States Christians should be celibate and not reproduce that is a lie like and Tim called him out on on air during some of these now was he just mistaken was he being intentionally deceitful I don't know but I think I'm more inclined to think he was just simply wrong but these were just simply lies there was a lot of that happening where he's just throwing out these random facts that were just completely wrong now who's this jus guy he is his channel is deconstruction Zone where he helps people deconstruct because he's one of those people that thinks it'd be better if we just deconstructed and got rid of religion so like what is he an atheist or something he's an atheist yeah yeah he is yeah what yeah see here's what's always interesting when you're talking about uh him just getting everything wrong it's like it's one thing to get everything wrong it's it's another thing entirely to get everything wrong and view yourself as the champion of reason and logic and everyone else is stupid and you're the smart one and stuff which is which is what I see from like the the fortunately the new atheism has been fizzling out a little bit but it was always like that it's always like I can listen to you guys for five minutes and hear 487 things you got wrong and your take your takeway is that you're the Smart Ones who are the champions of Science and facts and who don't go with your feelings and you just uh you know you just go with the evidence points and yet somehow every single thing you say is wrong which just it's just weird it's like insane yeah let's get into some of that here because I got I got some clips saved up uh which were pretty pretty evident so let's you know what's funny societies that abolished slavery many thousands of years to the US yeah it was a lot of that yeah there was a dynasty in China in the BC era that abolished slavery for a time period there was a leader in India for a period of a couple hundred years where slavery was abolished there were stoics in Greece that were abolitionists no there weren't there weren't there actually was Sena EP no he did not say was for example an early slave absolutely advocated for getting rid of slavery said it was an immoral institution there another it was immoral he didn't say it should go away there was quite a few stoics that agreed with him they agreed slavery was bad but they didn't call for abolition the first person that call for the Abolitionist slavery Gregory of Nissa that is wrong no Gregory of is the he's the first Christian that talked about abolishing slavery but he was outruled by the other Church Father Church fathers disagreed with him no no he's the first person in history to cover the Abol certainly is not the first person in history in fact I I already quoted you there's the I think the the wing dynasty in China and then there's another Dynasty in India that abolished it way before Universal abolition that was that was universally abolition I have a fact check senica did not explicitly advocate for abolishing slavery while he criticized mistreatment of slaves and encouraged uh encouraged human main treatment he accepted slavery as a social institution moral letters to Luc he checked out AI let me see yeah basically but I mean he's he's right like Tim had to fact check him live on air because he was saying that senica called for the abolition of slavery he was claiming that some place in India uh called for the or abolish I got youp I just I just asked chbt look at this ha I just asked did senica call for abolishing slavery it said no senica did not call for the your favor yeah yeah so here's the thing about I look this up after in China they didn't abolish slavery in the first century under Wang mang he outlawed the slave trade between like 9 and like 23 ad but then the moment he was out of he died it came back he did not actually like fre emancipate slaves everywhere or call for Masters to free their slaves like Gregory of Nissa did he just and youo it's it's important those are very different things like uh the transatlantic slave trade was abolished before slavery was was I mean that they they they stopped the transatlantic slave trade be long before you actually had a civil war and then and then slavery was abolished um slavery still continued you just had to reproduce your slaves and stuff like that you kept kept your slaves and your slaves reproduced and so on you just couldn't transport you just couldn't uh get them from across the Atlantic anymore so yeah notice we normally don't we normally don't don't uh don't say that the stopping the transatlantic slave trade was the abolition of slavery because it wasn't there was still slavery going on that was that was abolishing it completely was a later thing I tried to find his India thing and this is the best thing I could fight F find was just what they say here on Wikipedia because I don't know what specific area he was talking about a Greek writer Mega's in his fourth Century BC work uh IND Inda states that slavery was banned within uh this Empire in India don't know how to pronounce that uh while the multilingual mid thir mid mid3 century BCE edicts of O Osaka independently identify obligations to slaves and hard workers so what I think happened is he heard something that a Greek author talked about slavery being abolished to India but actual work from IND of the time yeah don't actually say slavery was abolished during that time it's probably just a misunderstanding of the Greeks in the West misunderstanding the cultures in the East so no there was not a time when in India when slavery was abolished there was not a time in China when slavery was abolished the slave trade was temporarily temporarily abolished for a few years the stoics didn't call for abolishing slavery the first people to call for ending slavery we Christians that's just a fact and real quick because fan and I got to do a response next week but Gregory was the first to call for the abolition of slav y uh here's the thing he didn't and some historians would be like well he didn't because he didn't say that but he did uh he told Masters everywhere told Masters to free their slaves he was the first person to do that saying like hey this shouldn't exist it's wrong it's evil Go free your slaves so like historians that have commented more deeply on this say that yeah it his arguments are abolition even though he's not saying the government to go do it he's the first one to start saying Masters actually go out and do this actively so this is why we don't see the abolition abolitionist calls until Gregory of Nissa uh prior to that no one was saying that slavery can be abolished so yeah all right let me get to the next clip here anything you want to add to that than or should we just no I was I've been looking stuff up to try to find anything that he could have been pointing to and I'm not finding anything so so so you can't prove him [Music] wrong ory trying to him I was trying to find for him no hey hey what you what you uh what you should say when that when that pops up uh when someone like that says something you say hey uh give us a source on that show us the source on that and then when you're supposed to respond just say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence oh is that testimony you're using sorry it's not evidence the 90s Sweden I could be wrong but I don't think the import reporting of Somali refugees uh and migrants was specifically related to a low population they had declining birth rates for many decades Bible tells you not to have kids Jesus himself says it's better for you to be a unic for the gospel Paul this is okay this is what I mean Jesus dude that's that's all I needed to hear from this did you just say Jesus said it yes yes let me back up a little B this is what I mean with jus Jesus Jesus did talk about Unix and so on people who are Unix for the kingdom of God and stuff but this guy just said people should stop having kids according to he would just like Tim and I would be talking about like declining birth rates and he's like yeah but the Bible says don't have kids what what what are you talking about so this was Tim was just getting fed up with him at this point you'll see why spe related to a low population they had declining birth rates for many decades Bible tells you not to have kids Jesus himself says it's better for you to be a unic for the gospel Paul advocation Bible says don't have kids guys that's that's what he said you can make a meme out of this man when it say it says be fr F and multiply when it says be fruitful and multiply it means multiply not having kids no it means be full with fruits put fruits in your mouth eat fruits lots of them be a vegan in First Corinthians chapter 7 that if you're married it it's better that you remain as though you're not married because the present world is coming to an end he says if you're single stay single I would rather you be like me be unmarried to serve are we talking about whether Christianity is true or the effects of Christian in the Bible that says you should have kids are we talking about whether Christianity true are the effects of Christianity what I'm saying is we're rooting this to what the book says Christianity is rooted in the book and you're saying listen because like Christianity is diminishing that's causing lower birth rates but that's not actually the case there's nothing in Christianity that teaches you to have kids I do think that's very that's right folks there's nothing in Christianity that teaches you to have kids it's definitely not in the first chap the first chapter of the first book of the Bible it's definitely not there ladies and gentlemen I I Tim this you you watch Tim was getting fed up with him here selective because you are ignoring be fruitful and multiply I mean if if we're gonna say Jewish teaching part of the Christian Bible so it's slavery but you but you wouldn't let me use slavery you would say no that's not in the New Testament on the point made ony so common this is so common this whole thing well why do you reject why do you reject the teaching of the Bible but then you reference another teaching of the it's just every single thing uh that is mentioned in the Bible is one and the same to some of these people who um who attempt to criticize the Bible so which means if you reject something within the Bible of the Old Testament as not valid or not applicable uh to those Bound in the New Testament then you have to reject everything everything that is in the that is in the B that is in the Old Testament you know what's funny about this vice versa it's just it's ridiculous it is later on in this he he starts to try to argue with you Mike about slavery in the Bible but like by his own logic that's a Jewish teaching not a Christian one no he he he'd probably go to like place like Ephesians like slaves obey your masters and so he'd try to use that I'd say um but I mean again you just read the context of like the letter of philan or Ephesians six and Paul's saying do the same likewise so yeah know was that everybody did it Christians did it Christians abolished it Christians supported it Christians opposed it so it's but the unquestionable God says to do it that's the problem and then they Christians eventually said actually that actually defies some of the teachings they they get rid of it I think it's a moot point to claim but there's no teaching that says you can't own slaves not a single word of the Bible says that owning a slave is a sin again it's not about whether Christian is true it's about the actual effects we see in society you may think your first point yeah you may think the Bible Will C let's divorce Christianity from the Bible I'm all for it the sooner we can do that the sooner it becomes a less the sooner it's less toxic religion I I I just want to make this one point before we move on is that you've you've selected from the Bible only one thing to support your your claim you didn't have to do that you could have literally said I do know that the Bible both says to have kids and not to have kids but then there's no argument to be made so it seems like you did it intentionally I didn't do it intentionally in the New Testament that's the Christian doctrine the last thing that is said about having families is to not do it what does it specifically say it says in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 that the present form of the world is coming to an end in Matthew chapter 19 Jesus advocates for people being Unix to the gospel let me find it real quick and Paul also says just before that this is my own word not a word from the Lord his disciples said to him if such is the case talking about divorce saying that you can't remarry a woman if such is the case of a man and a wife it is better to not marry then he said to them not everyone can accept this teaching but only those to whom it is given for there are Unix who have been so from birth and there are Unix who have been made Unix by others and there are Unix who have made themselves Unix for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven let anyone accept this who can and then sounds like you're twisting what that actually does he says it doesn't say to all people everywhere don't have kids I never said that's what it says Jesus say the b that's literally what he said he's open this this is like a textbook example of just leaving fundamentalism behind to be a fundamentalist atheist he he said earlier the Bible says don't have kids we all heard it I played it twice now he's saying I never said that yes you did that's what started this whole thing so he's like is like did he forget or is he lying like he literally said the Bible says don't have kids no it doesn't no it says that if you can accept this then be a unic for the kingdom you're you're muted David you're muted David oh yeah uh and I mean if you look at Jesus okay Jesus had stuff to do and didn't get married John the Baptist had stuff to do and didn't get married the idea is some people have a lot of stuff to do and that they if if if you're able to do that if you're able to just focus on going around the world and preaching the gospel and so on um and you don't hey I don't need I don't need a family I'd rather be doing this oh okay you're in a you're in a different category of person um and and that's it and guess what there are people like that there are people say you know what I'm just going to go around and I'm going to dedicate my life to to preaching and speaking and so on and and uh I'm I'm not I'm not going to have a family Jes hey if you're wired like that then roll with it you see therefore no kids in Christianity okay now you're an idiot yeah is it's like he he literally said the Bible says don't have kids in the weirdest possible context and yeah it was getting kind of like that so let let's move on to this other making kids is forbidden in Christianity is Islam is projected to be the fastest growing religion in the United States as Christianity de cudes and that's a huge problem that is a [ __ ] huge problem and why are we that because we can see in real time what secularism the secularization of America and Europe is doing declining birth rates lower levels of Charity in fact John Compton and Philip Gorski Roger Brew Baker have pointed out as Christianity has been declining we're seeing a less value and appreciation for Democratic Values more rise of right-wing and leftwing authoritarianism this is coming out of the actual data we're seeing let me let me just how does the data point to less Christianity more to toari ISM that's not true in any of the other countries let me let me let me just just look at the the other democratic nations that have de christianized we're not seeing that they're being they're going into extremism so almost all see authoritarianism in Europe Denmark Norway I'm sorry you you need to go to those countries they call Sweden the North Korea of the north so you're you're picking on Sweden but have you looked at any of the other countries I did Germany and because they they rate very well on the Democratic and the happiness scale every single year complete utter BS ly to just like North Korea does right the people of North Korea vote for Kim Jong-un 98% every single time the media in these countries is homogeneous and under deep authoritarian control yeah I mean listen no know your environment you're going on timcast right-wing media that constantly criticizes Europe and you're saying actually they have more freedom over there than us it's like dude he's been to Europe and he goes on to give this story about when he was in Europe he felt the authoritarian in control and it's like no no no that's not going to fly here buddy that's what Tim does this is his stick he's always fighting against government control and government control and media but he actually thought he could make that argument to timcast it's also not not a great argument or not a great objection because um many of these countries given the long history of the world so far and the long history of of Europe and of of Christianity so far many of these countries that we are speaking of are still pretty much Christian countries or you could um at best call postchristian countries so they are uh they are very much still in the process of um moving from Christianity uh even if they are like demographically even if they have become demographically very non-Christian they are still they still very much Christian and they are currently transitioning to something different and they are replacing it with things like Islamic Ence for example where Muslims come and say no we don't want anybody being allowed to disrespect our religion say okay okay let's do that let's do that let's make that law so um it's it's not a it's not a great argument to say all those countries are doing very very well they are in the middle of a process that is quite uh quite recent it's called a they call that a cut flower they call that a cut flower civilization right you you you you've got the flower it's in the soil it's living it's thriving you cut it guess what still looks it still looks the same still looks the same uh but it slowly starts to wither yeah well you you've lived in Germany AP which do you think is more authoritarian Germany or America um well when it comes to free speech issues individual Freedom America is definitely Freer than Germany yeah I'm trying to find that video I have because like I actually got a video clip I don't know where I put the dang thing though of like these people in um um they in like in 60 minutes recently went to Germany and they were talking to all like yeah awful that was one of the worst things ever man I had no idea things were that bad I was personally last time I went there last time I went to Germany just uh a few weeks ago a month ago I was detained because um someone said you hurt their feelings yeah because somebody because I I went to a pro Palestine protest and I I all I did was literally I I stood there and I said uh I said here we have somebody who stands up for the victims of terrorism and here on the other side we have uh people who stand up for terrorism and rape and uh and and and support Hamas and all that but just because of that people got upset and mad and accused me of insulting and slandering them for which the police then came over and said we have to detain you temporarily to take a statement from you and you will be receiving a a a courot letter uh soon and so on it's like for for insulting uh people I was I was talking to John Compton earlier this week he's a social and political scientist he's working on a new book called untethered belief and one of the things he's arguing is as we move away from organized religion weekly Church attendance respect for Democratic Values does go down the less people that are in church the less likely people are to support Democratic Values the more they're going to shift towards authoritarian type systems what the hell do we see happening in Europe right now rise of authoritarianism throughout the region as Christianity has declined over the past several decades these things are not just coincidences actual research has been tying them together like the 2020 2021 strip study i' I've cited often and it's uh it was predicted long ago you had people like Francis Schaefer pointing out but you know just the basics either you have a population that's controlled from within meaning that individuals uh actually respect virtue and so on um or you you have a population that is controlled from without so you either have something that is internal to the average person where they want to live in a certain way and this leads to a kind of cultural self-control in which case you can have the kind of freedoms that we have in the west or you can start rejecting those kinds of things and you'll still need to be controlled it'll just you'll be controlled by your government mhm here I found the video file 60 Minutes illegal to display Nazi symbolism a swas are Deni the Holocaust that's that's clear is it a crime to insult somebody in public yes yes it is you bunch of scumbag douches lock me up I just insulted you you stupid idiot clowns any but but but Germany's higher on the freedom index ladies and gentlemen just remember that and it's a crime to insult them online as well yes the fine could be even higher yeah if you insult someone in the internet because in Internet it stays there if we are talking that's rights it lasts longer think if you insult someone on street they just kind of evaporate they just evaporate like your freedom right but now we say that if you put it on internet it lasts long it does not just evaporate like your freedoms why do you sound like Borat I don't know yeah why oh I forgot yeah I got my real Jour man yeah imagine all the Call of Duty public lobbies man everybody would just be [Laughter] screwed good point I I can't imagine look looking at some of these Freedom indexes and thinking Germany and Sweden are have more freedom than the US it's like listen we got our problems here ladies and gentlemen but just use some common freaking sense I I'm sorry oh they um as far as I remember this it's been a long time since I looked into that but as far as I remember they count certain things into it uh which puts America um which which really takes lots of points away from America such as that such as freedom in politics and freedom in media where they count certain things such as um how freely uh political movements and organizations and individuals can organize and um and run for you know a voice or power in the in in the parliament it is very difficult to do in America for example you have to liely on the two parties and and all that inica in Germany it's very very or in other European countries it's very common just to uh to create a new party and then to run and to become relevant uh press is much more diverse than it is in uh in America uh I guess these points kind of are are not very much in favor of America when it comes to um evaluating freedom but other than that individual freedoms America is Freer um freedom of speech America is Freer than any of those countries yeah it's it's how they they wait the different metrics and that just is incredibly biased thing to do so here's here's one of the my favorite Clips this is I could I was watching this and taking notes on how Tim handled this he did so good it was phenomenal because Justin starts challenging Tim and Tim just throws it right back in his face and it is glorious which is weird because the data says that they're happier they live longer they're healthier well I can address that absolutely true there was a uh one one of the most famous studies on choice and happiness was they brought people into a they they pitched a bunch of people would you like to do a study everybody says yes right they get their their their their their two groups their control group and their their study group and they said the study is to fill out this questionnaire when you're done you'll get a free t-shirt when every Everybody fills out the questionnaire what they didn't realize the real study was as they're leaving one group was handed a free white T-shirt they said thank you the other group was told you can have the green white or blue t-shirt then they got to choose as they were walking they said please rate your satisfaction with your experience here guess what the people who who got to choose the color of shirt they wanted rated higher levels of unhappiness because they were unsure of themselves that was actually a surprising finding in which they found as I would as Harriet Tubman said to go back to slavery I have freed many slaves I would have freed many more If Only They knew they were slaves ignorance is bliss I don't I think unhappiness comes with freedom and hard choices being made uh to to look at the what company did that survey this is a this is an old internet Trope on the the the the okay so you're not referring to any methodology that's actually being used by like the world happi index that been doing this for decades so you're you're doing credentialism and an appeal to Authority no I'm just saying that an appeal tothor you're saying that the way they're doing the studies is improper I want to know who's doing it that way who's what's the how are they doing the study I'm asking you you're saying you cited an organization you're trying to they're doing it a particular way I how how are they do how are they doing it I I don't know I haven't looked whoa whoa whoa whoa you cited an organization you don't even know what they're doing what I'm saying I'm asking say I'm asking who's doing way you brought up those surveys I did yes okay so what do they do how do they how do they write again I I don't know the okay so let's just I never claim to know let's just ignore that you brought up a point you don't even understand because that makes you look really dumb the the whoa very rude very rude he let him have it he was not you don't challenge Tim on his show he will let you have it he does this every day he's got the experience he let him have it you look dumb when you do that like my God that's pretty brutal man for a guest man yeah that's that's that's abuse of of a guest at no point was there anything in anything you said that could be regarded a coherent we are all now Dumber because of this here here's the thing uh just to make IP's Point here um and others I would U I would I would always encourage everyone to check out um rsf the or reporters with borders who check um world press Freedom index uh they they put this thing together which is uh very very well known where um they evaluate the the change um of press freedom in Europe over the last decade and um it it is very clear they even have uh I can send a link to You To on that IP but they have a a very easy comparison where uh press freedom on average in Europe was significantly better in 2003 in 2013 compared to 2024 so just over the last uh 10 years there has been like significant difficulty into a worse direction oh oh yeah yeah it's insane and again that is a that is exactly what was that is exactly what was predicted it's as you as you lose your source of internal control you're going to require more external control that's that's it's physics ladies and gentlemen yeah I mean John W Jr said I mean a regime of law democracy and human rights requires religion and specifically he was talking about Christianity when you move away from this idea that human rights are sacred and given by God you start to think that government is what gives rights and if you're in the government you give and Grant and take rights based on what your needs are as a government so this is a huge problem if there is no sacred call to protect human rights what is stopping governments from removing them limiting them nothing and again this is why we see this bearing out in the research so I mean just go to like rule into Salem's study the role of protestantism in Democratic consolidation among transitional States He notes it's funny because that's a really interesting paper because he pull he also looks at Islam all of his metrics he found Islam was not was not significant with any of them but with Catholicism and more so protestantism it was he was POS we found he found positive associations with things like citizen empowerment voice and accountability more NOS more political stability I mean like this is just what the facts are on the ground when you start looking at the actual research now what are your guys favorite Bible verse um I'll say it I thought you guys were going to jump in but uh first Timothy first Timothy there where Paul says um I thank Christ Jesus our lord who has given me strength that he considered me faithful uh pointed me to a service even though I was once uh a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man I was shown Mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief that that whole that whole pass is pretty good violent excon what I feel a shame because I just had to look it up because I forgot the reference but it's second Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight I have finished the race I have kept the faith I want that on my gravestone I don't know which verse it was but I think it was in Exodus 22 uh which was which um was in my mind when I first read it I thought this is very different from the Quran which said uh which said something about um d be do not oppress The Foreigner you yourself or foreigners or something like that yeah mine is that's that's an early version of uh the Golden Rule yeah it's powerful I I had to look mine up too mine is First Peter 510 and the God of all Grace who called you onto his eternal glory in Christ after that after that you have suffered for a little while shall himself perfect establish and strengthen you uh IP IP you said you wanted that on your your gravestone I mean you are missing a golden opportunity here man I mean imagine your gravestone just says Mike Jones and then who right underneath it and that's it that's your entire gravestone Mike Jones yes who that's it listen I've not even gotten that in like 10 years like I think people have just sort of forgotten about that rapper at this everyone but me everyone but you yes absolutely bro thank God you debate that human I debated him in a live I'm talking about Justin I had to cut the call because I was losing IQ points just listening to and the I yeah I mean again Justin was really nice to me off camera on camera he's a different person but like the constant interrupting he does on his lives it's no wonder he just pisses Christians off because you can't even get a point in anyway because he keeps changing the subject throwing out red herrings interrupting you it's yeah and and dude it's seriously a problem people don't realize if if you have a person who's just willing to just make up anything that's that's rough man oh and he has called me a liar in his lives he like he did one where he was doing one God is a Christianity is stockhom syndrome and he directly said I'm a I am a liar so you know I have no problem calling out his lies here because of that love the stream any of you know who young Don is and thoughts on his deconversion I'll say it what a lying douche sorry there there David said it I do know young Dawn and I also had a conversation with him uh in the past funnily enough I had a conversation with him um a while ago when he first first uh became a Christian and I kind of clashed a little bit with him because I I asked him questions um because he kind of challenged me on why I don't believe and uh and and then we had a little clash and I found out just recently that he apparently but he he the thing is he never was um um his his belief was always kind of weird he he I think he had this kind of uh this Oneness belief or um rejection of um the Trinity yeah that that but then also also something with predestination I I don't know what it was but he he had he had very wild beliefs and a lot of um this tendency to just uh reject teachings or to learn them to accept them and then to to reject them after a week or so after thinking oh no this doesn't make sense to me I I predicted that he will probably uh switch to a different religion or just leave all together and it happened yeah I mean the problem is these atheists are going to Rejoice over that and they're again they're destroying the West they're going to destroy uh the world because they're just going to create a society that has abysmally bad birth rates high levels of authoritarianism which will cause uh political chaos ultimately and they'll just open the door for Islam to come in and start repopulating the declining birth rate so I don't understand these atheists they should be praying to science more and more Christians come onto the scene because it's the only thing prevent V in the west from falling at this point and we see it now with what secularism is doing and that's one of my main points here if you atheists actually care about preserving civilization human rights women's rights you should be begging for the world to produce more Christians not trying to actively deconvert them you're going to be part of the problem ultimately if you keep doing what you're doing PA that that's uh that's something that I mean people don't people don't realize that you have you have lots of movements and so on that you could only have that movement because you have a you have a sort of a a prop a population a basic population staining your ability to do things like that as a simple example I mean think of like anarchists right if these if if anarchists experience like five seconds of actual Anarchy they would be begging to be as far away from Anarchy as possible because these little dorks would get would get the taste slapped out of their mouth instantly if there wasn't laws protecting them from people like me slapping crap out of them right um so that they're running around saying Anarchy and yet they're only able to run around screaming Anarchy because they have a system of laws protecting idiots while they say stupid things but re I mean really all kinds of things I mean take uh take like take take feminism right take feminism um you you know the the the overall takeaway the overall takeaway uh by the way you know totally good things about feminism and so on and so so on as far as rights and all kinds of things like that um but the what what ends up happening is you end up with uh a portion of the feminist population who doesn't go in the direction of having families and raising kids and so on what happens birth rats plummet your government is going to your government is going to make sure that the population is sustained so they will bring in people who have very different ideas from you feminists and you guess what you have very low birth rates they have very high birth rates what happens you ultimately lose the foundation that allowed you to argue for feminism and you'll be replaced and then what's the what happens at the end skip to the end no feminism zero none of it you are doing you're adopting ideologies and positions that ultimately undermine your own ideology and position and completely destroy it and so it's it's the same thing it should be hey if we want this like if you're an anarchist if you're an anarchist you want the freedom to run around and say anarchy man Anarchy Anarchy you should be begging for a Christian population that protects idiots like you um so anyway that's the situation if you're if you're a femin if you're a feminist and you want to be a feminist you should still think hey it's really good if we have a a Christian population out there that protects people like me to say these kinds of things because there are other populations in the world that would eat me for breakfast y this there's a funny example to this which is that um in the last elections in the recent elections in Germany um the the uh among gay people the I think the most popular party was the right-wing you said gayp was was the right-wing afd the IFD uh which was which some people found shocking but isn't actually that shocking because uh gay people start walking around and thinking we we can't even we can't come to be walk around here anymore because of the Muslim population things used to be a little bit different we we went toward freedom and then these guys came in and started uh like bullying and uh pushing us around and this and this and that and we just we don't really want that so yeah that's that's another perfect that's a perfect example right um so if you're gay if you're g lgbtq whatever you're gonna have some you're gonna have some Christians who tell you you're wrong you're gonna have some Christians telling you that you're wrong they're going to say hey we disagree with you you're wrong that's very different from what you'd get under Islamic Rule and so it's a situation where hey we don't like these guys we don't like these guys telling us that we're wrong and saying that we're wrong so we need to be against these guys we need to get away from these Christians they say we're wrong so let's let's let's align our entire let's align our entire movement with Islam because they're persecuted too and then uh oh wait a minute These Guys these guys actually want to murder us hey wait a minute these guys over here they just said we're wrong these guys actually want to kill us wh whale wh That's What You Get also Tim's argument that neither Christians nor secular people ended slavery was super weak was honestly flabbergasted yeah I mean it's just a fact of history that Christians ended slavery and we're arguing from Christian moral foundations as to why slavery should be abolished we wouldn't be here today if that did not happen if Christianity did not become the dominant religion of the West slavery would still exist I mean again this comes from Robert Fogle Rodney Stark Tom Holland John Coffey Ben Wright I mean just everyone I can read on it he's saying this I also I I still wonder to this day and I mean I used to teach philosophical ethics at forom um apart from just apart from just saying it what what what defense can an atheist have for abolishing slavery like what what what do you have that's persuasive what idea do you have that you could actually defend and say this is cor this is the correct idea in this shows that that slavery uh is morally wrong what what is it in your lack what is it in your lack of belief in God that convinces you that it's wrong to own another person I I I can I can own this cup I can I can I can even own living things I can own a dog I can own a cow why can I own those things and not own a human being what is it in your worldview that makes it a moral Abomination to own another person I don't know I understand where you get that if you believe that human beings are created in the image of God and that you should treat other people the way you want to be treated I don't want someone enslaving me therefore okay I shouldn't be doing it to other people I understand where you get this from a Christian framework I have to this day I have zero clue how you get that from an atheist framework except just saying it you could just say it and what really happen what's really going on when you just say it is uh Justin you are raised in a population that taught you to believe that that taught you to believe that slavery is wrong you were raised in a population that was massively influenced by Christians who convinced the population that slavery is wrong and then you absorb the idea even though you're an atheist you got it from your population and what what's what's insane is that's exactly what atheists say about religion it's oh you just believe what you were taught in your Society therefore therefore what therefore it's wrong okay you were taught that slavery is wrong give me a defense a rational defense that's consistent with your worldview um and if you can't where'd you get the idea where' you we know where you got the idea if it doesn't cross people's minds for thousands of years of human history that slavery is wrong and then we see the people who introduced the idea that slavery is wrong and then you grow up in a population that's massively influ that has massively influenced that idea and then you say oh I just know no you don't just know you GW it's oh it's just a coincidence that you grew up in the population that taught you that that's wrong and that other human beings for many many thousands of years around the world it never crossed their minds that it's wrong like how how are you how are you not how are you not processing this super smart super smart uh scientific atheist are the Jews of today still bound to the old laws I I don't think they have to be but I think if they want to keep them it's fine uh that's up to them like their feasts and everything like that uh the Dizzle plus one plus he'll allow it AP allows it the dead Dizzle one plus one plus one plus one equals one I gotta use that in a remix sometime IP I debated Matt slick on TD in my first pro debate do you know any good debates on the topic for a rookie I could use some more experience any good debate topics TD that's what I was wondering I I don't know what TD is maybe uh I can Channel quick and see what he well Matt Slick's a calvinist so maybe theological determinism or something like that I don't know I'm just I'm just guessing based on based on topics that Matt slick uh frequently covers yeah I'd look up maybe stuff that um Tim Strat has done on that if that's what it is I mean sometimes it's better not to abbreviate things folks because we don't know all the abbreviations uh join the Press by uh IP I'm going to cite historians and studies uh DZ I'm going to site Reddit forums an R atheist TP I'm gonna call out dz's b bs Ian I'm gonna do psychedelics watch the wall shift back and forth develop the Messiah complex and yeah with TD's uh total depravity is what I oh total depravity that makes sense that makes more sense yeah is that what you found AP no I was going to say tasty dogs because that's what go Hub said but no total depravity makes per makes perfect sense oh total depravity I mean just look up Calvinism versus Armenian debates I'd say just go in that direction uh but yeah uh here's a tip asking for you to hit the next uh arrogant atheist with an rip Bozo next time you have a Zinger in a debate uh is everyone on the panel a theistic evolutionist if yes then why do you all believe in in the older is right well because there's just so much scientific evidence the Earth is incredibly old say why just said you that's what you believe yeah yeah I'm atheistic evolutionist and I think than is as well so yep no no problem there um good Debaters oh may he was asking about good Debaters um check out some of the debates that James White has had with Catholics I think they've done a good job responding to him but I'm not I'm not sure honestly I've not looked at a lot of those debates specifically I had to stopped watching the video because of how ridiculous the other guy that is Justin was yeah there was a if you go to the comments under the timcast episode they're all just my go they are they all just roasting him yeah he I look I think he was nervous I think he just thought he could come in and just start throwing stuff out and it would make sense and it just didn't man Tim was not having it Tim was not having it at all hey guys given your upright moral rectitude firm Gras again again guys again the the the issue well what's that are you okay David David I think you're like like super lagging you must be like lagging like a lot yeah I was I was thinking that too I wanna I might I might uh I might jump out and then come back in you should do that you should do [Laughter] that what so funny you're lagging we you're like having a conversation with we said like 10 minutes ago he stopped you in the middle of saying the word [Laughter] rectitude I thought he had something to say on rectitude I was [Laughter] like I have never used the word rectitude in my life I'm gonna I'm gonna jump out come back in see what happens okay hey guys giv your upright uh moral rectitude from grasing matter at hand and Hands-On approach to the conversational topics including jiza and other loaded subjects which one of you is the greatest [Laughter] mbat I get it I get what you're doing there you see it see we all see it sir I would say it's definitely IP yes I ordered atheist off Kemo Tim got it that's mean nice hey guys the biggest moral issue with uh with the problems of slavery in the Bible for me is that somehow God chose to strictly forbid Hebrews from eating pork and shellfish but owning other human beings he makes an exception again I go to Matthew 19 the law of divorce was given because your hearts were hard I don't think the Hebrews could have accepted a society without slavery but they could accept certain dietary restrictions so God was working with where they were in their moral progress I think that's what you got to take into account how Jesus prach the Mosaic law some aspects were given because their hearts were hard I think that in the um at a certain point in history uh before humans became more populous and more uh intermingled and all of that it was a completely reasonable and normal thing to do to uh to enslave um certain people if they uh insisted on um attacking you and overcoming you and destroying you because uh the alternative would be to just exterminate them um there there was no real real theory of uh sitting down and making a proper peace agreement with them or or anything like that um in order to prevent destruction your own destruction or the destruction of the other the ideal thing would be to to to enslave them and to uh let them uh live that way until Freedom comes of course after societies developed into quite a different way it was no longer reasonable to do and no longer is uh let me get to the next one here um where was I sorry I'm getting ready to debate Justin that's de constructions on on Modern debate it was surprising to see you and him pop up on timcast good stuff bro yeah thank you much appreciated for that and I was happy happy to do it there so um real quick I've been I'm being told to play this because if I don't I'll get in trouble uh because uh sowh Matt is everywhere yes dang it I cannot I'm okay here we go all right I have to play this has anyone ever told you the five books of Moses date to hundreds of years after he lived we now have a 50-minute video debunking this claim that offers a ton of evidence that the Torah is much more ancient than most assume the in-depth video is currently available 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read all this stuff right like no completely straight up uh Daniel hu he did the same thing in all his early debates he had this like every new DA every new dawa guy who comes out he does uh he every new dawa guy has to have some like trick let you you have to right there's no there's no uh let me just present what the evidence is and and will everyone has to come out with some new trick and that's how they become popular for a little while and then eventually someone catches on their trick and then they implode that's why these dawa guys have sort of a uh short lifespans not in terms of their actual lives but in sort of in terms of their careers uh but anyway uh Daniel hokiku would still be getting away with this he would still be getting away with it in debate what was his trick he'd go in there and oh this study shows this and this study shows that and this study shows this and this study shows that guess what no one no one that he's going to run into is going to have read all these studies and so on which means he would keep getting away with it right because no one's reading all this Stu uh until he runs into IP who's read all this stuff and who crushes him on it and shows he's completely misrepresenting uh everything out there point is uh glad IP is on our side and please support his work so that he can keep uh crushing these dudes on the sources I have to agree um since since you debated Danel kikachu I think uh I think something changed like uh you you broke him I think he never really recover he never really recovered after that he has had just failure after failure after that so um you have done some really fantastic work there thank you yeah yeah it took a lot of research to debate them but it was definitely necessary and yeah they're not you noticed the dawa guys are not doing as many debates as they were like two years ago it's like they all like doing together yeah all all all their tricks have been exposed you're gonna you're basically gonna need some 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moral person to return love to the Creator they gave to you and to actually do what he said like be fruitful and multiply for which is weird because the most like statistically likely place that you're going to get sexually assaulted is at a church and that nothing about it's Tim is not having it most just like we're talking about like you know Christianity helps people yeah you could get sexually abused in a church it's like okay thanks Justin back to the corner uh when you're ready to contribute something then you can come talk I was like dude but first of all that's just false like all right that that's false let me let me share my screen because again uh thanks thank you to Matt for actually looking this up for me but this is um a sexual assault of young children as reported to law enforcement victims in incident in offender characteristics US Department of jce ice I read this today uh here's what it says 77% of sexual assaults with juvenile victims occurred in residents compared to 55% of adult victims the most common non-residential locations for sexual assaults of juveniles were roadways Fields Woods schools hotels and motels churches are not even listed how do we know that those roadways and uh you know schools and and all that are not actually used as churches yes there a church school some Churches have schools you see see yeah this the uh r.org says 55 at home 15 in public places 12% near re relatives home 12 in public areas such as parking lots or garage eight on school property again churches are not listed I have no clue where he was getting that statistic from I prove that the church prove that the church is not near the victim's home this is one of those things uh which got [Laughter] popularized which which got popularized over the last last uh 20 year 10 20 years with the whole um you know attack on the on the Catholic church and Catholicism and all of that um which which which did reveal some uh some some really bad bad issues and some scandals which completely got twisted and turned into a a really messed up um Twisted attack and misrepresentation uh where the public the general population uh was basically given the impression and so many people are still under the impression like this this this guy here that we just that we're talking about uh that oh Catholic priest they're all molesting people churches are terrible people if you go to a church you get raped this is like this is completely ridiculous nonsense that got propped up because of a scandal and research shows that there is really is that that that that that religious organizations or religious places have no signs of being more more dangerous or more subject to sexual assault or anything compared to other places so and is really again that the thing that always gets me is what's this guy everything this guy's saying that you've shown so far is complete idiotic nonsense and this will not be a problem for him with his audience unless it's just okay you got caught but that's what's amazing it's like we're the we're the group that only goes with science and we're the group that only goes with facts and and and we're the group we're the group that only goes where the evidence points and then everything you spout is like just your your emotions about Christianity because your grandma made you go to church uh make you erupt in rage whenever comes up into to make stuff up and it's like how on what planet you guys are like the kings of emotional rage at Christianity not the kings of like uh careful investigation or science or anything else it's just it's just it's weird to me it's it's it's it's a on the same lines as Islam as Muslims claiming Islam's a religion of Peace it's like hey we're going to go around slaughtering you all in the name of Allah but call us a religion of Peace that's that's like the level of the new atheism we're going to spout complete idiotic nonsense make things up left and right but we want you to view us as the champions of reason and logic here and uh sorry how about no how about no yeah uh Ju Just For Those listening and who are under the under the false impression because of the media and all of that that oh y there's a big Catholic Church Scandal that's why they most likely to have child sexual abuse and so it's complete nonsense I know it's it's surprising to find out for some people but it's complete nonsense and there has been research on this there is no such indication at all this was this was propped up by the media and others in order to uh present this false picture of churches and of the Catholic church it's complete nonsense what were we gonna say than did he cite a study or was it was it that I don't I I don't no Tim here we go back to the clip here Tim like just was not having it when he um heard this because it was completely irrelevant to the topic and that is nothing is what we're talking about it's almost like values isn't preventing kids from getting raped uh and once again you're not making an argument there is true 30% of all rap cases for children under the age of 18 happen Church related 30 I'm I'm gonna respond to that by saying blah blah blah because the point we are making is that in prominent there's a tendency among the right Christian conservatives not to be raping children and there's a tendency among the left to they keep doing it it's weird it's weird it's weird that the making and you're saying hey look at look at this instance of bad people doing bad things I agree let talk about the Tendencies when it comes to like like this is like again it was completely sidelining I would yeah notice he sort of changes the argument they're Church related okay well what what's the data that shows that because again I I cited other data uh that shows that no 77% of sexual assaults with juvenile victim s occur in residen in residences so the numbers aren't adding up so like where is where is the statistic coming from here specifically why is it that's what I want to know where's that 30% number coming from cence who's this Rockstar this is uh Ian he's Tim's like right-hand guy like the church abusing children which I agree over historically it seems to have I think it's whenever you put a lot of kids in in a area like daycare or something there's just going to be a tendency for a lot of those kids to get abused because that's where kids are congregating and for thousands of years it was at church it's correlative not cative anter talks about today but hold on today 31% again you are changing the subject because you didn't have an answer your subject was Christian morals going away because of atheism but in Christian circles they're still raping children today so let's pause and once again I will say you are not actually addressing what we were just talking about I'm literally addressing it right now you're saying that atheists don't have moral systems they don't but neither do Christians Christians do what what is a Christian moral system find me in the Bible where I can find a Christian moral system comms that people can you find me outside the Bible where those exist because they exist in the 42 laws of ma they ex what there are no Christian moral systems by the way guys the the Bible tells you not to get married and have kids and it tells you to have slaves did you know that what is it it seems like it seems like whatever anyone says I just want to say the opposite that's what it sounds like with him man pretty much and I may have misunderstood him here but he sounds like he was saying like the the the the Ten Commandments come from the 42 laws of m Christian moral system Commandments that people can you find me outside the Bible where those exist because they exist in the 42 laws of ma they exist in Commandments not exist the 42 laws of that's a b conspiracy almost every single Commandment that you'll find in the 10 every single culture so the 42 laws of ma is not Commandments they're not even laws they're technically confessions there are things you say to ma when you get to the underworld there's nothing in there about the Sabbath only having one God not making craving images or honoring your father and mother so like yeah it's there there are there are things like don't lie like don't steal like don't covet like but it's not laws it say I have not lied I have not coveted and I've had to deal with Tik Tock conspiracy theorists on this so like when he brought that up I was like whoa no no no no that is just wrong wrong wrong plus it's it's not even relevant did I what is that yeah he's yeah he's saying there's no moral there's no moral system like okay here's a moral system ah but other people have a moral system exactly exactly it's not even relevant it's it's it's not relevant what does it matter even if it were true what does it matter if it's also found somewhere else or if it also comes from somewhere has no bearing on the conversation at all it just comes off like he's just trying to find something to save face at this point yeah here's uh what you were talking about earlier David Tim brought it up I didn't say this isn't this isn't this isn't unique to Christianity I didn't say it was once again you're not the 10th commandment says not to CET your neighbor's slave uh atheists and agnostics don't have that moral structure no we don't have a we don't have a Goden moral structure it's a sub moral structure in fact American atheists actually have a loose Christian moral structure and that's a fact yes that's what absolutely that's what we're talking about with cut cut stem polit cut cut stem ideology or whatever or politics yeah that's what you were talking about David hey cut stem hey uh also uh it's interesting like the atheists become enraged when you say they have no like no more atheism has no moral system or something like that but these are the same guys who just spent the last 25 years telling us atheist is just atheism is just a lack of belief in God that's all it is is an absence of belief it's just an absence of belief okay so it has no positive content because they didn't want to say it has positive content because the moment you say it has positive content then you have to defend that and so they didn't want to say it so they just wanted to make it sound like it's a it's a it's the absence of something okay well if all your if if your ideology is just an absence of something that means that there there there is no moral framework there which means any moral framework you have you're getting from somewhere else you're getting that from somewhere else all you all atheism is to you is an absence or a lack therefore any positive content you're getting it from somewhere else where are you getting it from and uh anyway yeah we know where they're getting it from yeah very rude for sure uh here here's where Tim just said the debate is over or or you could take a look at the transgender issue as well advocating for children to sterilize themselves or for parents to sterilize their children is not a Christian phenomenon and that's also again going to cause decreased fertility rates for people on the left for the atheist agnostics side of things meanwhile on the Christian side you have uh high fertility rates replacement population preventing Mass migration of Islam coming in with their Sharia law and then ruining a lot of traditionally Christian countries horrible honestly debate over uh debate over I mean like at the end of the day can we survive without Christianity if you just look at birth rates there are so many other factors but just that secularism is not producing a culture with sustainable birth rates what's going to replace secularism it's either going to be Christianity or Islam at the end of the day which do you prefer atheists pick a side because your system of secular atheism is not working what do you which way which way a way Modern Man Which Way atheist man I do not like they can see the writing on the wall because I I talked to Justin about this a little bit like he he he recognizes Islam is horrible he says it's worse than Christianity like he recognizes that but why are we trying to deconvert Christians all day in day out when Christians are the one holding back the Avalanche of Islam that could come in and destroy the West like they do not they they they they act they recognize Islam is bad but then they want more Christians to become atheists or deconvert because they think that's going to make the world better it isn't the facts are in ladies and gentlemen and and Dawkins said Dawkins caught on to that over a decade ago over a decade ago it was 2012 in an article where he said I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity because I think it may have been a Bull workk against something worse and so this is like one of the Champions I mean the the main guy of the new atheism movement saying guys uh we may uh may have a may have a little problem here when we're blasting away at Christianity because it may be it may be protecting us from something worse now it's actually multiple things that are uh that are worse but here's here's what's amazing here we are 13 years later Dawkin still blasting away at Christianity yeah right that's what I mean it's like it and this this this ties in with me pointing out that how how do you guys view yourselves as like the champions of reason and so on champions of logic the champions of science you're you're the super clear thinkers when you're sitting here and you're saying hey yeah huh every time we Blast away at Christianity and we're we're successful in getting people to turn to atheism Islam comes and fills fills in the Gap Islam comes and takes over even more and we don't like Islam and we recognize that Islam's a problem but we're just going to keep doing what we're doing we're just going to keep blasting away Christianity getting more Islam blasting away Christianity getting more Islam now entire cities are being taken over by Islam but we just can't stop okay then just say you are you are the most emotionally controlled people in the world stop stop with all the oh yeah we just go where the evidence points you you sound like idiots when you say this stuff yeah it's a very weird phenomenon and I like this is one of the things I said in my debate with Lawrence Krauss like in my closing statement like you're going to make the world a much worse place if you get your way you'll we we'll see less donations in volunteering for Charities and by the way those studies don't just look at like Christian Charities they also look at secular Charities and note that more people volunteer for secular Charities if they're Christian okay we'll get higher rates of depression higher rates of suicide we'll get higher levels of authoritarianism less value for Democratic Values which will lead to less political stability and of course we'll have collapsing uh birth rates which will again just is absolutely horrible for any country's economy it's the worst thing you could do because you've produced enough people the economy depends on that number of people when you drop Next Generation by like 10,000 people there are then 10,000 jobs that are not filled that slows down economic growth trade if it takes like 20 people to get a ship down the Mississippi and you only have 15 that ship's going to go at a much slower Pace at delivering Goods so this idea that like declining birth rates are good because it can somehow help the environment as some people say no it's going to cause economic problems and horrible things will result from that David you brought up um Dawkins didn't also Peter bazin recently talk about how this experiment of like social wokeness and secular ethics just fail and we need to go back was wasn't that him that said that recently too uh I didn't see anything I didn't see anything recently but that sounds exactly like something Peter he's been saying stuff like that for a while now okay yeah I remember hearing something about him saying that so here's where we talk about the uh the salafi Islam when when when a religion crushes you for 1500 years eventually you're like hey maybe we shouldn't be doing this the same thing with Islam if Islam continues on the path that it's going right now eventually their own adherence will rebel against them they can't right now because they'll get killed that's not happening the revivalist movements in Islam are salafi and they're trying to go back to what Muhammad and they're actually more authoritarian they're actually far worse than a lot of uh regular Muslim type folk are because they're trying to go back the question we need to ask because yes Christians did horrible things but if we're going on what Tom Holland does in his his book Dominion there were definitely revivalist movements he talks about Christianity being like a city underneath an uh like a earthquake line what are those things called line fault line yeah he's like yeah they build these structures but then often times within Christianity revivalist movements shake things up and start things over so he talks about this throughout his book they did horrible things to the cathars revivalists come along and they start to say no we need to get back to the teachings of Jesus and you're you're saying 1500 years actually again you go to Bri so so with with that I wanted you guys opinion on that like Islam this is one of the points I was trying to make if Islam goes through Reformation that's bad because that'll just go back to the foundations of Islam which is child marriage polygamy War Conquest why are the people thinking that Islam could just go through a Reformation everything will be fine in huny and Dory because they had they had because they had a yeah they had a false picture of Christianity where Christianity just starts off violent and then it's violent for or it's violent for a thousand plus years and then people get sick of all the violence and then they have a Reformation that's complete idiotic that's not how it h like you are completely out of touch with reality quit CH quit claiming to be a champion of reason when you don't even have the basic like basic picture correct right but anyway since they view it like that right Christianity starts off violent it just focus on killing and oppressing people eventually people get sick of it and they say you know what let's come up with a nicer religion okay well then you look at Islam and you say Okay Islam starts off they're going around chopping people's heads off and so on uh why don't we just why don't we just look for the same thing that happened in Christianity and not realizing no Christians it never crossed any Christian's mind for centuries to spread anything through the sword uh you eventually have the Roman Empire adopt Christianity and the Roman Empire had a Roman Empire kind of way of doing things um and that when you when you have a some sort of reformation in Christianity that's hey let's go back to the teachings of Jesus which doesn't call for a lot of the stuff we're doing so let's get away from the stuff we've been doing and get back to what Jesus actually said well guess what it's good for people to actually get back to what Jesus said especially if they've absorbed a lot of nonsense over over the centuries and so on and so when you so when you say hell yeah Le let's have the same thing in Islam that you had in Christianity okay in Islam it would be the reverse it would be like hey we've picked up some peaceful practices over the centuries and so on we need to get back to what Muhammad taught namely Global conquest and guess what that you that's what you get and that's what you got right now yeah people get this whole thing uh wrong uh this whole idea of uh reform where uh they imagine that reform means you have something that is uh underdeveloped and that is bad and then you reform it meaning you change it and you change it into something better and more advanced and more functional and more peaceful and more good and then you get something better which is why Christianity in the p in the past was bad but then they decided to reform it and said hey let's make it more peaceful and then it became more peaceful and more more cool and then everyone was like yeah cool super wonderful but that's not really what it is reform is just going reform is basically going back in the sense to how things actually were and yes in Islam as you just mentioned they also have a reform movement it is called revivalism and it's called the copy movement and it's called uh what you see currently uh Rising around the or what was on the rise in the last 50 years or so in the Arab world what also led to the emergence of alqaeda and Isis and the Taliban and so on that is Islamic reform yeah and that's that's what's terrifying in and and but by the way think about how dangerous the stupid dumb ideas that people have are right so this is people have a dumb idea like they will not understand the the history of Christianity and they'll they'll come up they'll project their own fantasies about how what Christianity is and and so on they'll project that onto history and say this is how it happened even though it's complete nonsense and based on their completely inaccurate fantasy they'll then conclude that hey we're okay with Islam because Islam will have a Reformation everything's going to turn out just fine and you don't like this is like World crushing world changing millions of people dying scenarios that spring out of your stupid idea in your head right if you're gonna say hey let's you know Islam we're all gonna be okay we'll be okay with Islam because it'll have it'll reform just like Christianity did okay lots of people are going to suffer and die because of your delusion champ oh great champion of Reason who only goes where the evidence points even though nothing you say is ever correct yeah I I just do not get what a lot of the secularists atheists are doing it's it's mindboggling it's self-destructive it's basically cultural political suicide they're literally spending their days trying to com argue with Christians to try to deconvert them to get them to leave Christianity and then they're complaining about Islam Rising it's it's like the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result they're not going to fix the world and one of the things I brought up in this whole conversation with Justin is he says well you know like we may can come up with secular structures could replace Christianity okay well it hasn't worked well you're telling me it's going to work in like 10 20 years when's it going to start working because we're not seeing that we're seeing the exact opposite we're seeing the collapse of the West not the Salvation through this New Age of Reason that Dawkins talked about that that's that's the other thing that's that's yet another example right it's like the when the new atheist came out it's hey if we can get millions of people to leave Christianity and become atheists and the world's going to get better we're going to become more tolerant we're going to be more scientific we're going to okay you've had 25 years of people of millions of people becoming atheists name name any way name one name any way the world has improved in any way at all with millions of people converting to atheism just just just name what so one do that and two show me any prediction you made 25 years ago that has actually come true like one show me one thing you said that would happen that's actually happened because everything you said is going to happen it's been the opposite so at what point do you say here's how things worked in our head and then we actually made the world go along with it and now everything that everything our heads said would happen the opposite has happened at what point do you realize you just have no clue what you're talking about and you have no idea how reality works and maybe you should stop doing what you're doing because you're too stupid to realize that nothing that that your fantasies do not actually work in the real world like at what point champions of reason at what point do you realize hey we keep trying the same thing over and over again and it keeps blowing up in our face and the more we do and the more we do what we've been doing the the less It lines up with what we thought would happen like at what point you just say oh our position has been massively disconfirmed we need to stop like what DAV do you remember when Richard Dawkins was complaining about like all the metaphysical stores and psychics showing up in uh in Britain like lately do you remember that clip when he was doing that no I didn't but I I remember seeing I remember seeing all these articles about how witchcraft is increasing and all this stuff is increasing and stuff like wait a minute I thought everyone's going to be these super great scientists yeah most of the people that have deconverted from traditional Christianity have uh become religious nuns so yeah you you've seen atheist go up a little bit from like 3 to six% agnostic four to 6% but he goes from 14 to 24% now the nothing in particular includes people that are spiritual but not religious they're called religious nuns often I see in the research because they're basically nothing in particular but they're spiritual they do things like horoscopes often this is the group most associate with that sort of mentality like you do kind of like these spiritual practices uh but you're not a part of an organized religion and so that's what we see actually coming out people don't leave Christianity and go to atheism they leave and they go B basically back to like a modern form of paganism in a lot of ways it's funny when you said religious nuns religious nuns I thought of nuns think NS think all become Catholic nuns think go dress up like nuns now yeah powerful yeah that can be confusing because sometimes I hear that too when they're saying yeah all the religious nuns are out call them nuns just call them the zeros or something the zeros um free mandatory wedgies for all of the Wong alongs and winging all right look look who it is it's David Woo and it's an Asian you you didn't catch it this started this started uh last time me and AP were live someone came along and his name was Mike W Mike wonger an as it's an Asian version of Mike Winger and then that right after that someone came up with David Woo crazy Justin sounds like he learned theology from RN raw like yeah the guy's got a theology degree too like he's he's gone to Seminary but like his arguments are just Justin has yes he's got a what yeah he's talked about it numerous times he was in seminary he was a pastor what's his name what that dude I know it doesn't what's his Justin what I don't know his Channel's deconstruction Zone and he just debates with Christians all day Justin tro that's it oh yeah huh that's very wild I know I listen I'm not saying every theolog is great but I mean a lot of but I mean a lot of the comment commenters were just saying he's he comes across he's got like an axe to grind and honestly that's how I felt like I'm just going to take the least charitable interpretation of all these passages so that Christianity looks bad instead of saying well how is this understood by the church fathers how was this implemented how did this how this shaped the modern world in our development of Human Rights and this kind of stuff you know Justin Holmes Hees his Tik Tok lives are so frustrating he makes the affirm affirmative that God doesn't exist but doesn't think he needs to demonstrate that at all yeah and that that's a problem of course that's a huge philosophical problem if you're going to say God doesn't exist that's an affirmative you need to defend that question for David now that Andrew Tate is in the US would you debate him on Islam he doesn't need to be in the US he could be anywhere he could be anywhere in the universe I debate him on Islam yeah absolutely uh Germany went through not seism but kept the totalitarianism can't even idle your car or honk your horn for no reason because that's illegal free my ass yes sorry Kyle you got to get out of there uh this episode was great to watch and it was funny how Tim debated almost more than IP yeah again it's Tim's podcast he's gonna debate say what he wants oh and by the way I if if someone if a host if a host of a platform is cooking my goodness let him cook man cook them cook him cook him Tim Tim Cook turned into Tim Cook for a little bit there uh in uh Baron mun mun yeah when escaping the moon on the Queen's hair they reached the then got more and are fine until learning it's cut from above fail what is this supposed to mean uh I saw yeah that that was a book and a movie a long time ago but that was a long time I I was that was like high school when I saw that Lord Ezra doesn't evaporate our Ezra lasts much longer than our freedoms all Muslims who don't worship Ezra must have been corrupted NAA is the proof valid points you see David got David got to talk to Mary Joe Sharp last week in surprised to see that she was friends with you just wanted to say I'm a huge fan of you thank you Izzy and and and nail uh Nabil and Mary Joe were going we're doing the Biola apologetics program at the same time and there's like a two week two weeks where you go out there I wasn't there but I just went there to hang out with the beal the entire time um and yeah that's where we met Mary Joe because she was also in the program so yeah that was a point is that was a long time ago you're talking like 2005 or 2006 or something like that inspiring hakus says Whispers of the breeze cherry blossoms gently fall spring soft breathe returns while Islam constantly lies that's inspiring Haiku is than short for Thanatos kind of like how rat is short for wrath you you C IP is friends with death love you guys I told I told when I said when fans streams alone he should the thumbnail should be only fans but he should replace the F with the only fans you see Matt's other message to you about only fan only fan that's one it sad to see some not all atheist act like this and it gets the spotlight yeah they request they they said they they sent me like when they were planning this they sent me four names and I said like three three of them are good and then they they picked Justin so that's what they wanted fun IP I have trouble reading the Bible constantly but love to read systematic theology books how can I change to where I love to read the Bible as do theology here's what I'd say try getting the Bible on audio book and then going for walks and listening to it maybe that might help that's what I do sometimes very based advice after Kim Tim called that dude dumb I subscribed to his channel the way he was mopping the floor with him is So Glorious and satisfying yeah you you don't come on Tim's show and try to dominate and control it and interrupt him it's his show show show some respect and but when he wanted to talk I let him talk it's his show I did show Respect by humiliating him yo I he should get Tim should get you on with like two Muslims that would be amazing anytime Muslims are scared man yeah I not sure you've not sure whether you've noticed IP but Muslims not big on debating nowadays they're scared yeah what what is up with that it's like two years ago they were like I'll debate you on anything I will defend mamad overa and now I I told you it's it's every every every Muslim debater who comes out he's got some new stick right he's got some new some new trick some new stunt some new way of deceiving people and he'll get away with using that for for a few debates and then people catch on to it it doesn't work anymore but it's like the process Because the Internet the process has accelerated like back in the day it might take 10 years or something like that to uh to expose the guy whereas now it's like two it seems like they they they've got a run of about two two or three years or something like that then they collapse yeah yeah I've not tried the obsidian app sorry so hi than thanks for the great conversation today and Michael you destroyed Krauss the new atheism is dead thanks to guys like you great work well thank you much appreciated that yeah thanks Jacob they yeah at this point like what what ground do they have to stand on they like we we've given them they could make these arguments 10 15 years ago now the data is coming in and it is not looking good for the secular socities they want to create and we are seeing more authoritarianism out of this their societies I mean there's a reason people don't want to live in places like the UK Germany or Sweden with how authoritarian they've gotten it's insane can you show the Democrat the the Democracy studies where to find um yeah I got a couple here uh so um as I mentioned the role of protestantism in Democratic consolidation among transitional States uh where does this other one I have it Robert career the effects of religion on economic development that's more of an economic one uh let's see here um the cause of corruption across National study by Daniel tesman is also good uh that's a good one there um other ones I've got on on Christian nationalism specifically so why uh what is it unchurched Christian nationalism the 2016 US presidential election that's the 2021 stro study I've cited before uh Christian nationalism and views of immigration in the United States is the relationship stronger for the religiously inactive that's that's another good one there um so yeah check out those ones and then again what's wrong with you oh AP just sees something stupid in the I just saw a comment by Christian Godly saying England isn't authoritarian they just keep out islamophobic trash like David would hey we should get on Christian gadfly one day trigonometry trigonometry just released an episode on Dennis Prager about the subject it was very good cool check it out inspiring philosophy Do You Believe In Christ and Christ alone for salvation and that's simply by trusting in Christ you'll receive Eternal salvation uh yeah as long as you believe in the in Christ and who he said was you just can't say well Christ was a a Hindu incarnation of Vishnu and therefore Muslim Prophet a Muslim Prophet you know believing in Christ uh will you to reply to Dan mclen on slavery didn't he block you yeah he blocked me and we will reply it's bad and there's so many things we can do to that I'm telling you I'm telling you is the Angel of the Lord Jesus it's simply it seems silly to assume each theophany is Jesus like the burning bush theophany of siai was that also him well why would it be silly to assume that God wants to keep acting in creation so he's going to keep acting in creation what's the problem with that oh I don't see the problem I is every the is is every theophelis here do you guys agree that a rebirth of belief in God is starting to emerge or do you guys agree that the rebirth is starting to emerge I think the pendulum is starting to shift back and we saw it with like recent statistics showing that Christianity's decline has stopped and more young men are religious than young women in that same age bracket um I would uh I've mentioned this before uh it was some it was sometime around like 2012 I did a debate at Columbia University and uh I forget I think it was on the moral argument or something like that and afterwards I was hanging out with uh six or seven or eight something like that um atheists um just just just me we anyway we went to have uh we went to have dinner and stuff I'm hanging out with all atheists um and they're they're they're asking me why I believe certain things and I'm giving arguments I'm going through basic arguments and stuff with them because again the the debate was just about the moral something about the moral argument or something like that anyway so we start talking about other arguments and so on and finally one of them says you know I don't care if it's true or not I just care that it's bad and that was like shocking to me it's like you know I got a problem with Islam if Islam were true I'd want to know it I'd want to know it it's like that would matter to me and he's I don't care this whole truth true or false I I just care that it's bad for society and that was surprising to me and then I went down the line I went to the person beside him I said hey do you do you agree with that and they all agreed I'm sitting there and then I'm sitting there thinking wait I'm sitting here giving arguments to people who at the end of the day are saying I don't care what the arguments are I just care that it's Christianity is bad for society and so then I started thinking like oh maybe maybe what's more important is to show you guys that it's really really good for you that's maybe what maybe that's more important um but anyway so here's here's here's the thing athe the new atheism presented itself as this uh rational movement this rational scientific movement it just wasn't it was it was they were emotionally enraged at Christianity and they pretended that they're coming to this conclusion based on evidence well what follows if it's really an emotional movement right it's we hate Christianity we're mad at Christianity we're mad at we're mad at we're mad at our grandma and stuff like that for making us go to church all these things well what happens if what happens if you tell all these people hey things will get better if we all become atheists and then it doesn't work and then they start realizing whoa everything we think is going to happen every way we think we're going to become better actually doesn't work it doesn't happen eventually it Fizzles out and you and people realize oh we didn't realize we didn't realize how good we had it what's gonna happen it's if if the main underlying reason for for attacking Christianity was your was your emotional rage and then you realize oh it's actually good for society and it was doing all these things and I didn't know because I I wasn't I I wasn't aware of what it's actually doing in society then your emotional rage can eventually go away and your argument suck and so what happens I think uh I think you'll you'll eventually turn a corner and I think it's what we're starting that right now that's what they do Justin should take a DeLorean back to 2005 Jordan Peterson and Ed fizer exposed the new atheist as charlatans Dawkins is scared to criticize Islam peace be upon him that is another thing weird about the the secularists or the atheists they don't they're kind of afraid to criticize Islam like we just saw with Alex oconor like not wanting to show up to the debate because threats for rvon not him it's like like are you guys really this afraid of Islam like is that why you're not criticizing it you're just going after Christianity like but again think of think of the insanity there um um this Islam stuff this is really dangerous so let me just spend all my time blasting away at Christianity and and what happens then you get more of the Islam the stuff you acknowledge is significantly more dangerous to you and and that's what I mean it's like you're the champion of Reason here because that seems insane that seems insane right it seems like compulsive behavior that you can't control like I can't control myself I just have to keep doing this what is it you have I can't have to keep attacking Christianity like why what's happening well I'm getting Islam do you like Islam No I think it's way worse what are you gonna do I'm gonna glass away at Christian it's like it's I don't know it seems like this weird obsessive compulsive behavior that can't be controlled yeah da uh Christian Gad flag dawa guys are cool because they argue all day like Middle School girls that's true you should do a video on that like you should like do like a comparison somehow I don't know do something that would be fun uh despite Christianity being able to solve the problems of evil and suffering through theodes why can't atheism solve the problem of evil and suffering yeah that was CS Lewis's Point there's no reason to call something evil if there is no ultimate goodness out there so like it's still a problem on the atheist worldview it doesn't actually solve the issue there's a philosopher who's not a Christian by the way who recently wrote a book called the problem of evil for atheists and he actually outlines um a big issue for atheists uh with regards to the problem of evil so I would recommend checking that out as well yeah why do Protestants deny the Eucharist being Jesus's body when they they are Eucharist Miracles protest not all Protestants do that anglicans lutherans uh Presbyterians and some methodists all agree that it is Jesus's body you're thinking of evangelicals Baptists Pentecostals but the high Church Protestants do accept that it is Jesus's body I IP freely converted jih converted By The Sword well said just here for the treat well much apprciate IP freely yes he did if someone makes a cocky snare at you your Sky daddy will you guys start ripping Pages out of gods God's of The God Delusion yes we will humiliate that book that's as a Christian I appreciate Tim taking a stance Muslims keep can keep Tate we don't want him back yeah it's man the stuff that guy says I don't understand he's based you know it's funny uh today right uh today this thing happened uh Patrick B David had uh had Andrew Tate on and um it's just it's getting ridiculous because he announced it uh I think yesterday or the day before that he's going to have him on and um nothing is off limits he said nothing is off limits I will ask him questions and uh post your questions below and the whole thing the whole comment section was flooded with people just uh posting videos uh quotes of Andrew taden blasting him and saying hold him responsible ask him why he said this ask him why he said that Patrick B David ignored all of it of course he ignored all of it apparently I didn't watch it yet but that's that's what I'm told by people who follow it closely apparently he ignored all of it and he didn't ask anything like that he just uh gave him the opportunity to once again present himself as a Great Hero who destroys everyone and who is so totally basted and all that it's just um it just makes me wonder what kind of arrangement Patrick B David has with Andrew Tate it seems that um Andrew Tate still has lots of money you know and um he it it might just be that he he pays Patrick B David or that he that they have a business Arrangement or something which just really calls um The credibility of Patrick David and his so-called uh you know his his platform where where he supposedly cares about the truth where he supposedly cares about traditional family values and so on very very much in question it's a it's a giant scam but um the most outrageous thing about it is that some people actually are fooled who are on the conservative or traditionalist side and who end up supporting people like Patrick B David or Andrew Tate Andrew Tate is a horrible human being he's a rapist and a sex trafficker and Patrick B David is basically at this point complicit yeah it's the weirdest weirdest thing ever like it's pretty obvious this guy is just a piece of crap and yet somehow there are people on the right saying he's based or celebrating him and it's like what planet do we live on like I I honestly don't see it I I see very few people praising him maybe it's just my curated algorithm but most people I see are attacking him that that's that has that has shifted that has shifted over the past few years at first he his fans would kind of overwhelm anyone who said anything and there were certain channels it's Milk Bar and murdered by cray and who just kept posting the stuff and going through his old video clips and putting them into you know putting them making them available to people and then lots of people started catching on and now it's kind of the reverse where as soon as you say something positive about him you get bombarded with uh bombarded with video clips of him saying some really really messed up up stuff yeah yeah how do you reconcile Matthew 713 to 14 with your post-millennials convictions and believe that all nice Cen denominations are Christian also does this mean few are saved so that's about entering through the narrow gate and few choose it if that's the case then Christianity should never ever have been the world's largest religion as it is now I think he's talking about specifically about people in that time and how very few were going to reject it reject it and or most people were going to reject him and they were going to be a persecuted small minority for hundreds of years that where did you get that fan where did you get the Chariot look so comfortable Amazon all right I random chair man it's actually not that comfy either I I no I need a new chair hey look I got this one which uh is extremely comfortable but uh yeah I need something mesh it gets really hot it gets really H mesh what I need I I need this need this chair but mesh I didn't realize I was like oh let me get this awesome let me get this awesome chair with great reviews and uh don't get a chair don't get a chair get one of these what the hell are you this is what I sit on Matt this is what I sit on it's it's really good for your back and like you don't get too hot you just sit on it and the way it sits you upu right you can sit here for like three hours and your back doesn't hurt at all back doesn't hurt at all for three hours you can sit here all day yeah get one of these nice little Nifty stool link to something like that what is it even called man I don't remember it's like a Nifty stool I forget but it's uh I forget the name of it but like one of my professors recommended it was getting my masters and yeah I sit here this thing for three hours all day no problems it's like you put your knees on the first one and you sit on the the upper one and way chair kneeling chair yeah I'll look into it yeah David get a kneeling chair chances of me getting a kneeling chair zero% you're gonna get a KN I'll get you a kneeling chair I I'll I'll deliver it have you guys met Courtney from Biblical apologetic she's a good debater she debated the construction zone a while back yeah I know Courtney she's cool I've not seeny said Nazi have you seen Dan ml's response yeah it's bad um he gets the history all wrong he thinks like no one was talk like making strides against slavery until after the enlightenment utterly false utterly false I have so many sources go to St anom for example and many others uh that were making tremendous strides against slavery so yeah we will we will address that and destroy it um I was just kidding earlier I think you're all great Mass debators thank you I'm glad I'm a m debator IP do you think American Christianity is too politicized I personally think so I've seen some examples of idolatry within politics yeah I think it has kind of come that way but I think it's also blown way out of proportion I don't think people are worshiping Trump for example I think this is just a talking point of a lot of people on the left to try to like push it that way but Trump never comes up at any church I visited over the past like 10 years like I don't know where this is coming from it's you see this coming from leftist trying to talk about Christianity but when you're actually in the Christian right you don't see a lot of the same stuff that the leftists are so scared about if it if it has been overly politicized we've corrected a lot because at least anecdotally speaking more often than not in the many churches that I go to traveling for Ministry people are often times against the overp politicization of Christianity at this point in the churches so IP watch your video on job today do you have any more thoughts now or have you heard rational push back um it's been a while since I've looked at that subject sorry I'd have to go back and look at it atheist prati seek convert and kill for their dogmatic faithlessness when in power it's still a problem in China agnostics are there are are the what the ones that the ones that don't care yeah it's it's it's weird they're not going to make the world better and this has just been shown in so much research why are atheists so willing to lie to disprove Christianity because they got an axe to grind they they I mean honestly it's it's pretty obvious half the time I'm not saying this about all atheists but a lot of them have acts the grind against the god of the Bible and their upbringing and what they were raised to believe and they think they're going to make the world a better place and the the data does not show that have you heard of mouse Utopia experiment the results were eerily similar to secular humanism yeah so the the mouse experiment I have heard so this this researcher put all these mice in a big facility gave them everything they wanted abundance of food water uh the first generation of mice were very strong but over time they got smaller and smaller and smaller and they stopped reproducing actually by the end the the the the the last generation of mice were mostly gay and they were not producing Offspring so you got gay tiny mice eventually is gonna happen to us if be stay secular secularism we're all everyone's gonna be secularism leads to everyone becoming gay tiny mice what do you think about that this is why they're turn this why they're turn gay tiny mice direct proportionality between being religious and jacked is that what you're saying Mike I'm saying yeah guys guys it's it's Christianity or everyone is a gay tiny Mouse that's that's those your those your Alternatives what are you gonna do you want to be a gay tiny Mouse no all right uh you guys should start your own Mi miniseries called atheists that say the darnest things that would be a funny little Series yeah you know the other thing about the ancient Roman world as I was reading is that they they had collapsing birth rates too because of rampant advant aside constantly killing off girls for example leaving them exposed in the wilderness it was Christians that were rescuing a lot of these children raising them in orphanages or by with foster parents and that's one of the reasons Christianity grew as it did oh uh Hey IP I have a business doing flight Sim stuff you've argued we live in an information construct I have ried on that concept with grock 3 amazing powerful insights on ethics music Finance what do you say well I'll ask grock I don't know I've not looked too much into that lately do another that's uh that's X that's Twitter's II man get on Twitter dude how are you not on Twitter dude I I am I am a closeted Boomer I am never on social media what a freaking hell all jokes side I and admire your work so happy AP and David wood praised you and I told us to follow you I see why they like you you rock awesome that's what we do uh forth Yahweh riding on the clouds in the Old Testament is language of him bringing judgment to a nation would son of man coming on the clouds also be ref referenced to him bringing judgment on a nation um so the cloud riter motif's often associated with judgment but the cloud riter Motif itself is not about judgment itself it's about the kingship of God um and the distinctness of God and his authority to do things like judge judgement um that being said like the son of man is judging Nations more importantly that the son of man is going to be judging the rebelling Elohim and all these other things so they're tied together very very close but Claud riter does not eal judgment Cloud rer equals kingship Muhammad is only in the Quran four times and means blessed one those four times could be referring to Jesus thoughts of Muhammad never existing oh David just had a debate on this um yeah so the claim is so it's it's basically when you bring up the existence of Muhammad and uh you know people point out hey the sources at you the historical sources on Muhammad are pretty late so they start with iban asak which you don't even have the original of Ian asak you got a later recension of it but uh I mean even iban asak if you had it it was more than a century after Muhammad's death and the S the main sources that Muslims use are two centuries after two to three centuries after his death so that's sah alkari and sah Muslim you're talking I mean it's just amazing Christians don't use any don't use any source for history about Jesus after the first century Muslims don't have a source about the life of Muhammad in the first century of Islam um but so it'll get pointed out hey what but you got the Quran that's first century of Islam um but the Quran is talking about this guy going around doing things and so on it only mentions Muhammad by name four times and so if you're if you're going to deny the existence of Muhammad then um then you would want to then what do you do with even the few references you have to Muhammad in the Quran where he's mentioned by name and the claim is that well this could be a this could be a title um well if you if you don't if you don't have if you don't have early sources on the life of Muhammad and all you have to go on as far as the first century of Islam is the Quran you can kind of say whatever you want guys that's the issue right you don't have you don't have anything you don't have external corroboration of this and so if you want to say hey Muhammad which which can which can be a name or it can be a title and you want to say okay I'll believe it's a title and therefore we don't have any re any uh any references by name to Muhammad you can kind of say that so long story short I believe those are references to the historical Muhammad but without without sources outside of that you just can't say which is why you have a mythicist movement uh against Muhammad right now I just started this book in God's path I'm enjoying it oh that's awesome awesome book awesome I I keep recommending it because uh I learned so much of it from on the history of and the expansion of of Islam uh and I don't know I it gave me a completely new perspective and understanding of how Islam actually began to expand and all that it's it's very very good yeah it's very good I got a couple books here I'm going to read on Islam I got Tom Holland's book The Shadow of the sword as well I'm going to read that too so yeah got some Islamic books I'm going to start reading in fact maybe you should have a I had them on like uh a thousand years ago uh Robert Gand who wrote the book um I I interviewed him on my channel time you don't know who you are maybe I mean in the future you could totally have a conversation with him or something he's he's very good oh yeah I'm thinking about it yeah if Jeremiah 18's conditional prophecy applied to jesus' prediction why didn't he declare with certainty these are the days of Vengeance to fulfill all that is written with without any conditions I'm not sure what you're asking I Think Jesus just assumed his propheties were conditional he didn't have to declare it so I'm not really sure I understand your entire question here so studies for correlation of religion and democracy I I gave them I mentioned them earlier when someone else or that you asked um also check out um work by John Compton he's working on a book called untethered belief and he's citing a lot of that and he's given lectures where he shows data from a a aens and um uh the Compton survey of American fears as well for that kind of stuff I'm neither a calvinist nor cess secessionist my pastor is yeah he attributes most miracles to Demons including Muslims having visions of Jesus and converting the Christianity should I leave I mean it's weird why would demons be converting people to Christianity like what sort of weird stuff is that like that's that's a very troll does make sense troll we David and I [Laughter] reviewed that would be a funny video click here to see this miracle G give you did uh David you remember that guy we were responding to he was like into the occult and he asked the demons what religion he should convert to and told him Islam yeah even yeah he's like he's like a yeah I'm I'm deep into the occult and once you know once you know how to once you know how to talk to the demons they'll give you information I know how to talk to the demons and when you ask the demons which religion I should believe in they say Islam oh I remember that that the dude with like the long hair he emo look and everything started bashing him just recently because apparently he said that the hadiths are dangerous and shocker yeah the demons told me not to believe in the Hadith and I always go with what the demons tell me to believe him but it's funny because uh because uh we we uh we we were playing clips of that and then IP was uh playing clips from an actual Exorcist and he's like do not believe anything a demon says to you except when except when you're in a certain situation where you have compelled him where You' have compelled him to tell you something um apart from that dude everything they're telling you is is deception and this guy they told me to convert to Islam we tried letting the secular that but it's funny because when he was saying that the Muslims were cheering for him yes alhamdulillah this is the proof demons say they say you should all convert to Islam the demons well what the same demons that convince Muhammad that he's a we tried letting secularists run things results lockdown sterilized children suicide lower literacy more singles less marriage and more yeah Beast issa's here hey Issa he says Hey friends hope all is well nice to see you Issa what's up dog every yeah I I saw Issa in um in debate con and like he he stay he was pretty cool he stayed like the whole time and then then went to work and then apparently came back the next day props off to him everyone I know is a fundamental everyone I know is a fundamentalist menite that's that's the problem we all have I am leaving for high Church any advice on how to actually start this extremely lonely and anxious process we find a good church that can be your new family you go to a church and they're stingy and weird find a new one find one you're gonna grow in and one that will help you hey hey you know what's funny so I was in prison and uh this uh this men night singing this men night singing group came to uh came to the prison to sing songs and then uh then hang out with us and stuff they were all super cool but they were talking about how uh how they've uh there talking about how how they they've been modernizing and they're talking about how they modernized and stuff and they said some of the young guys even wear shorts while playing softball now and that was like the young guys start wearing shorts now with softball but anyway it was pretty funny because they weren like some of these guys were like I don't know 18 19 and so you had the older guys but then the guys the kinds that would wear uh uh shorts while playing softball uh they they had clearly not been around uh inmates before or anyone like them and I had this friend Peanut the black dude and he had gold front teeth and I remember this uh this like 18-year-old menonite kid got hypnotized by looking at his teeth like his eyes got bigger and bigger and he's looking at Gold he never seen gold teeth before right and he's just staring at gold teeth and then as my friend peanut was moving his head the the Young The Young menit's head was like moving like following his he got hypnotized and stuff is like man you guys you guys need to get out more man Christians in atheist all a lie Christian tells a white lie if it will get someone to believe atheist dismiss evidence if it's too dangerous and might make people doubt atheism search for truth okay I love uip but democracy is a terrible system that violates people's property rights check democracy The God That Failed by hand Herman hope I I would be interested we have an anarchist here we have one of people whoes that you can have Anarchy and capitalism and everything will just work out wonderfully yeah hey ancap Andy uh I can I I can guarantee you again if you experience five seconds of actual Anarchy uh you would you would uh you would be begging for anything else anything period yeah I I wish it could work but it simply doesn't and democracy can only work as what Jonathan Roch talks about in his book cross purposes with Republican virtues virtues we get from the Christian tradition you have to be a republican mhm we got a great Super Chat here from only fans make me part of your reality you can explore anything you want I want to know who did this I I I asked Matt if it was him he said no no he I'm wondering if it's my wife my wife has been making troll accounts for this is great I love I hope this account comments more anytime fans on we want to hear from only fans I feel like if it was Matt he would have used SE one of several provocative pictures of me shirtless he would why did you have several provocative shirts of you shirt like why all over all over the Internet he subed to my only fans only fans Burger King is just like Islam David and AP understand why is Burger King like Islam you have it your way why would you taint your good name inviting these weaklings on Yo than you look like Ken hovind with that shirt oh you do that's true is that is that a good or bad thing bad of course to burn don't corers don't go to church they're fake Christians say sketchy therapy hey thanan super cool to see how far you've come man was a pleasure debating these atheist with you a few months back says pancaking thanks man Jesus is true why did head injury on the railroad accident caused ainias Gage to go from Catholic to drunk womanizer does he go to hell now yeah there's a lot I I used to believe this but there's a lot of myths about Phineas Gage a lot of it it's a legend a lot of that stuff they claim at him didn't actually happen so it's one of those crazy con things that just became an urban legend it a lot of its mythology though and and you it's got to be pointed out I mean we believe in the in the brain and things like that and that like brain damage can actually affect you that's that's not in dispute as far as I know shik akmed Shi a Bangladesh Sunni Islamic diban scholar once said in a gathering that women are like tamarinds they cause men to salivate I don't know what that is about powerful who's more base tovia singer or Mike Winger tovia singer by far like orders of magnitude AP David have you seen the animation the 21 it was released a few days ago story of the Egyptian Christians that were unived yes I shared it on my uh on my community tab um told everyone we talk we talked about going through it in a live once but we never ended up doing it yeah I I wasn't I wasn't sure if I could do that but might want to message them and ask them say hey can we watch your stuff can we watch I tried finding their contact I didn't really try hard to be honest but uh couldn't find anything but maybe we should we should do that I watched it uh twice showed it to my wife as well she was very moved by it um would totally recommend watching that is ball the god of uh Muhammad fam and the god of the cabba would you take would you talk to Christ overall on this he debates this point against Islam effectively that what that ball is the god of Islam okay I just I just say it's Satan see why we got just cut out the middleman my wife confirmed it was not her make who made that only fans account thanks for letting us know so the mystery the mystery remains unsolved hey we had already moved on fan I don't know why you bring that back are you you really concerned about this it'll be it'll be two years from now to be like up and I I've confirmed my cousin did not start that either so we're whittling it down one person at a time one person at a time we're finding out who didn't do it odd question in John 6 it's named that Passover was the next holiday but the bread was barley which would have grown during the time of the year or made for Passover could it be Passover or is it the wrong holiday well barley was grown around that time it was I don't know what the issue is that that's evidence that it was just before Passover I talked about this in my video John and eyewitness account or no it was in the video on undesigned coincidences called H the reliability of the gospels where we went through that and that was actually evidence that this is an undesigned coincidence so yeah I I don't I don't know what you mean by that I don't think that's the case Mr me comes back I'll bump it up to a thousand if IP and thanan knocked David wood out good luck David why don't you just let me do it really quick and we split the money because I don't think you could knock me out we couldn't knock him out than he'd be running from us he get too he's too fast I've been I've been hit pretty hard I've been I've been dropped down to I've been dropped down to one knee uh but I've never actually been knocked didn't State a method right like oh yeah yeah yeah if you use if you're going to use a baseball bat or something like no no no no no yeah like alcohol we'll just knock you out with alcohol yeah that's true yeah show up with a bottle of whiskey I'll drink the bottle of whiskey I'll knock you I'll be knocked out and thousand and we'll split it all right Mr me send the thousand in you got it all you got send it in send it in through the donation uh what is the argument against the cases where people die temporarily and experience nothing of an afterlife before being resurrected not just not their time uh we don't know entirely what's going on with those cases I discussed them a little in my series irreducible mind so you can check that out I forget exactly what what what I said in there but it could be just as simple case functions were not working something regards that I forget exactly what I said but check out that series irreducible mind where I talked about that so IP just glitched I glitch a lot it just glitched badly IP when I GL I I glitch when IP yes oh so you guys GNA you guys going to review the Tate thing soon no no you're not even going to review it at all no I don't care all right well that's it we might review it later on this channel yeah not sure kind of kind of at a point where if you're still falling for this then you're like what are we gonna say I've not talked about Tate on this channel we may do a stream on that oh yeah if you haven't talked if you haven't talked about Tate then you should do one just to show your fans are informed look if you want to do something uh you want to do something help the most helpful thing in responding to T the dude he he's like da level liar right like the yeah I've said before like uh you know prison you you run into every kind of liar every kind of con game I have never seen anyone who lies as freely as like dawa guys it's like if a good con man is like careful about lying it's careful because you don't want to be caught you don't want to be caught you want to you want to make everything believable dawa guys can just lie because there's no concept of accountability there's no concept of your own people calling you out and exposing you for something and therefore they just lie as for they just they can lie left and right they can fake hate crimes against themselves like uh Shak withm did it's like you could do whatever you want say whatever you want it never affects you at all never affects your credibility with uh with the dawa fans and Tate is like that in the sense that it doesn't matter what he said it could be it could be something that would take you five seconds of research to refute like him saying oh all this stuff was 10 years ago so what he said on Candace Owen show and stuff like that it's complete lie people just no here's a clip from two years ago saying you were still doing it so on so anyway what's most is uh taken some of the uh taken some of the little compilation compilation clips that have been shared show people how they refute the things that are that Tate is saying and then give you know put links to these little Clips so that when they see someone saying no Andre this was all over 10 years ago that Andrew T was doing this Boom video Boom video Boom video no that's false um so yeah it's just a it's just a situation now of get making it easier for people to expose the lies right when they're told you're muted Mike oh what's your favorite dumbest funniest thing that nathy's ever said yeah maybe the Bible says don't have children that was that was something that that cool debate yeah yeah when has an atheist ever been caught truthing ha you see got him uh than and I are going to be in live in person Friday in the evening because uh yeah I will be uh yeah I'm going to be up in Wisconsin with him so we're going to be do a live Q&A this Friday anyone's interested also this video is coming out soon anybody wants to see it uh you can go on to my uh patreon or donate through the website and we will get you the link uh I can but I will let you guys see kind of a sneak peek of what we're working with this video took a while to research foring Christian Traditions ascribe the first five books of the Bible to Moses a prophet of God who led the Hebrews out of Egypt in the 13th century BC but many scholars have rejected this tradition and even doubt if Moses ever existed instead the five books of Moses or the penit as it's more properly called must have been written much later and were originally separate sources they were then compiled at a later point and attributed to a mythical figure called Moses allegedly we are told all the evidence shows the petuk is a late document and could not possibly date back to the time of Moses but within the scholarly World some interesting evidence has come forward several aspects of the penet suggest very ancient Traditions that could not have developed during later periods of Israel's history and when we combine all this data We Come Away with a powerful cumulative case that the penet is very ancient and much of it could date to the very time of Moses so that's what we're working with ladies and gentlemen that's going to be the video coming out soon but you can watch it right now if you sign up to donate through the patreon or through the website link below so that's what we got uh I just wanted to show that I have one of those too oh how'd you get that scar between your eyes someone asked I hate my head oh yeah that'll happen yeah all right what are you guys doing on your Chan channels what are you guys going to be doing this week I think uh I don't know we might do something on David's Channel tomorrow uh yeah that would be good we already did two on mine and we didn't do one yesterday so I will probably post a video tomorrow morning we'll see I've been a little sick but uh uh sick I want to I want to post a video titled um why I'm fasting for Ramadan even though I'm a Christian and it's just because it's just because I sleep during the day and stay up at night and therefore like like the it's funny the uh the last my last meal of the day is around 5 am and I go to sleep around like eight or something like that and then I wake up in the afternoon and uh I I I usually usually like before we're about to go live I'm like oh man I need to eat something and then so it's like 7 7:30 or something like that so guess what I'm I'm I'm Ramadan fasting like year round that's true you true Muslim yeah I'm the true Muslim I I Ramadan fast year round it's just uh I don't know I don't like go around saying look at me I'm fasting than is very concerned who only fans is he's gonna he's gonna this is gonna bother him for weeks hey only fans uh you should like stalk him online everywhere he goes live so all right so yeah than and I are going to be in Wisconsin this week we'll do a live Q&A later so I think Friday is when we're going to do that so check that out sign up to donate link is below thank you for coming everyone I will see you guys next time and hopefully I'll uh timcast has already talked about me coming back at some point um so yeah uh hopefully at some point I get to go back up there because but yeah they've already talked about other events they want to have me at so that should that keep going so that's that's a good connection hopefully we can use that more so excellent so all right why did that say are you all Protestants other than AP well I mean David's Protestant s and I don't say so there it is cowards exactly 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