hey everyone Anthony fantano here the internet's busiest music nerd I hope you're doing well and this video is a compilation of a bunch of let's argue Clips conversation bits responses uh that I've had to questions comments and hot takes uh that we have received on our patreon page where we do a monthly patreon only let's argue segment again this whole video is essentially a teaser for that and a quick little promo for our patreon page where you can support us and get some extra bonus monthly content in the process so yeah let's let the compilation begin enjoy join up with the page if uh you feel so inclined get access to our Discord Community too and uh if not just enjoy the video that's totally fine too you're the best see you guys at the end of the video here we go despite being the biggest star in the world right I don't see Taylor Swift having the same staying Powers the pop Legends of old we will listen to and appreciate the Beatles Michael Jackson Etc but I have a hard time imagining people 30 or 40 years uh on putting on a swift track oh man oh dude you must not know many swifties not only does it make sense that many of them would still be listening to her music in some capacity 30 or 40 years from now but many of them have already been listening to her for 10 years or more and are still rocking with her to this day and on top of of it you're talking about an artist who uh many people are growing up on many people are spending a good deal of their teens and their 20s and their 30s listening to and yeah sure while there are definitely artists that like you look back on after you've listened to them you know through that time span you're like uh that's kind of cringe wish I didn't spend all my time listening to that yeah that happens I've had that experience personally I know a lot of people have had that experience but in the case of Taylor she's got such a massive audience right now and most people don't really look back upon the music of those Golden Years uh as like bad or cringe a lot of people don't really ever have that coming to Jesus moment in terms of them like really kind of growing out of the music taste they forg for themselves in their teens and 20s and the reason a lot of people listen to that stuff still past that point is like for Nostalgia reasons and again like if Taylor Swift musically was a huge part of your life during those teens and 20s the likelihood is great that a lot of those people are going to be sticking with her because she was just like a pivotal part of their musical diet uh during those key informative years I can't guarantee the next generation is going to give a [ __ ] about her for sure they very well may not but uh will a great deal of her current fans still be like you know prizz for her [ __ ] maybe going at random people on social media for like disrespecting her probably if you were held at gunpoint you were forced to sing a carry Koke song for your freedom perfectly what would you choose like in terms of vocal execution perfectly or just like I know all the words you know what I would not sing it perfectly but I would sing it passionately I got to be me I would absolutely sing that [ __ ] and if I [ __ ] up I I'd be shot and I'd be fine with it because you know what um I I died doing what I loved singing Sammy Davis Jr's I got to be me what's the worst gift you can give to a music fan an artist's Worst Album from their catalog or a shirt that's not even their size I would say Worst Album from the catalog though that's not even necessarily like a terrible thing because you can always like you know put it on for a laugh or like you know kind of gawk at it a little bit or um you know maybe just like play the one good song that's on the thing at least with like a shirt that's not even their size you could probably like cut out the logo and like put it on a a battle jacket or something like that or like you know throw it on the back of a a leather a leather coat that you got like with other patches and spikes and [ __ ] like that like you could repurpose that [ __ ] whereas like a Bad album not a whole lot you could do with that if especially if you don't like not even a single Moment On It Eddie vet's vocals aren't nearly as warbly and un enunciated as his haters seem to think he just sings with his natural voice listen to him talk uh all the singers tried to copy him so on and so forth no I look I think Eddie veter is not a very well enunciated singer I I feel like that's just kind of objectively true if you're picking up every every goddamn Eddie veter lyric no lyric book at all totally flawlessly which is even hard to do sometimes with somebody who uh speaks as well into the mic as like John darneal then I don't know what your deal is like do you have a degree in Eddie veteran but with that being said I I agree with what you're saying here like everybody who went on to copy Eddie did a much much much much much shittier version of Eddie I don't really think there's anybody who like was directly influenced by his style in the mainstream that like somehow did more Justice to his vocal style than he did I would much rather listen to him than any any one of his copycats is not being able to understand the lyrics in a song count as a valid critique I think this is a pretty good question I guess it sort of depends on the context and the delivery and whether or not the lyrics or words are meant to be interpreted or understood on a surface level I mean certainly vocals can be delivered or performed in a way where it's really more about the sensation than what they're saying much of the time this is the case for a lot of the Moody autoc crun rap that we hear these days or you know something like Death Grips uh where you don't necessarily catch every lyric of a song on first listen uh or even various shades of death metal music and even within that genre there are some death metal vocalists even though death metal is you know kind of known for having these unintelligible you know deep guttural growl type vocals some artists in the genre operate in a way vocally that uh you can actually kind of catch the lyrics on first listen just kind of you know hearing out the record paying attention yeah I mean I think it all kind of comes down to personal preference and taste and whether or not uh you feel like there is any kind of like loss in entertainment value or quality uh Within the Music you're listening to with not being able to understand what the lyrics are as you're kind of listening to them cuz certainly it could be argued that uh there is a value brought to the table when swapping out intelligibility for a vocal style that sounds kind of weird or experimental or odd or eccentric or you know expresses a different sort of emotional quality than you would have gotten if uh the lyrics were delivered more clearly when we're talking about the best albums of all time or best music of all time do you think that it's correct to consider video game soundtracks in the conversation I've asked my friends and they overwhelmingly said yes uh though I think that's probably the popular opinion I mean I think whatever belongs in that conversation depends upon who's having the conversation would I consider video game soundtracks in my favorite albums of all time you know list possibly but the thing is I feel like if I were to kind of open that Floodgate it wouldn't really enrich my best albums of all time list all that much because while I have spent a lot of time gaming I am by no means in my own opinion um an expert on video game soundtrack TRS it's not really something I spend a whole lot of time uh analyzing even if there are some soundtracks uh that I do have uh a large affinity for a lot of nostalgia for uh you know be that Chron across be that Earthbound be that you know the Mega Man series on NES and beyond all the Legend of Zelda games there's a lot of soundtracks that I can name how I would square that against like ranking it above or below I don't know um Leed Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti I have no idea Apex Twin predicted the campy hyperpop Aesthetics by a decade with Window Licker music video and sound and he should definitely be included in the protogenesis of most internet music genres I don't disagree Richard D James is definitely a very protogenesis type of person but like the the visual tropes that he was indulging in on that music video were were very much of that time and the music video was a satire of the pop music and pop culture visual media Aesthetics that were popular uh during that '90s early 2000's era that that's the stuff Charlie is borrowing from that's the stuff many hyperpop artists are knowingly borrowing from the thing is Richard D James was just giving it a nod as well but like you know doing a little kind of teeh tongue and cheek sort of thing on it and you know turning it into a a campy kind of performance a joke but the thing is like you know Charlie and a lot of those artists who have been kind of referencing back to that stuff a lot of them pull from it because they have genuine reverence for it burial is actually dubstep a lot of people don't get this because it doesn't sound like Skrillex are we still having this debate is this still a discussion like in 20 [ __ ] 24 like Skrillex is and can be dubstep it is its own kind of uh subgenre of dubstep and also burial is Dub they're both dub step in their own way I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to grasp uh within this specific genre or even more broadly in a lot of subg genres of electronic music because in rock music you have a lot of genres where there are bands seemingly that are under the same stylistic umbrella but sound so wildly different and yet the fans of these artists and the genres they're in more or less kind of just understand that and accept them but when it comes to something as trivial as dubstep we need to for over a decade be debating back and forth in terms of like where the [ __ ] boundaries are and who's in and who's not not that defining things isn't important you know when it comes to musical discourse it can be it serves a purpose and can do wonders for uh musical Discovery and understanding the different stylistic colors of music and what makes red red and orange orange but extending the debate out to this degree is just annoying and unnecessary who is saying that burial isn't dubstep or needs to be defined as actually dubstep as opposed to any other artist at this point Have you ever shared your opinion on Flight of the Concords cuz I would love to hear it yeah I mean I dig some Flight of the Concords I mean not so much the albums and you know for sure like the songs and the parodies and all that stuff are cute and entertaining and fun and handily they're one of the coolest things musically to ever come out of New Zealand no shade to New Zealand or you know to sort of like you know underrate the more serious music acts to come out of there but I mean you know you have to admit Flight of the Concords is pretty cool I loved the show you know I thought the little kind of Indie comedy run that they had for a while was really entertaining I mean when it comes to parody music I think there is uh stuff out there aesthetically that is a bit more interesting but as far as like you know the artistic reference points that would often be made in their stuff and just the quality of the humor that was uh laced into their work I mean that was all you know good and highly respectable and it's it's kind of a shame that they're not as uh popular or as well acknowledged um in act on the musical comedy front as they used to be James Ferraro needs more recognition as the actual person to invent Vapor wave not one of trick Point never uh James Early Vapor wpe stuff came out mid 2009 almost 11 months before Daniel used the Chuck person uh Alias with Echo jams I don't know honestly I feel like we're kind of splitting hairs here just a little bit especially considering you're not even talking about a period of years between these two albums they were still released relatively close to each other Plus on top of it when you're looking at some of the goats of the genre be they vectroid be they Daniel uh be they James Ferraro it's pretty clear that they're all very kind of like versatile creatives who don't necessarily want to be defined by Vapor wave anyway even in my recent interview with Daniel uh he kind of expressed some sentiments about you know him creating that Echo jams record and it taking off in the way that it did as kind of a fluke he didn't necessarily mean to come up with this trend or this genre so I don't know passing off uh the the the ownership of who invented Vapor wave at least for him may not even be something he he would have any issue with I don't think he's really trying to lay claim to it even so you can't really deny his impact on the genre as you say here and I'm not even sure what utility uh coming together collectively to decide like who really invented Vapor wave would would even have I get that The Cure is a great important well-respected band responsible for a lot of cool stuff but how does Robert Smith expect me to get my friends on board when he sounds like that all the way up to at least wild mood swings it sounds like what just like just like you know kind of a little yelpy and expressive and feminite I guess it it really depends on the record some cure albums are very shouty and Punky and in your face others are a lot more despondent and sad and Spacey um others later down the road have a very wide pop appeal I mean I don't know how your friends would get into the Cure I mean I guess the same way that most people have that the band has millions of fans you know this right they have millions and millions of fans like they're not exactly a difficult band to get into a difficult band to sell people on and even if you can't get your friends into them that's fine they have lots of other people who love their music not everybody needs to like everything more rappers need to do hauz I kind of feel like the standard set of syllables for H and you know correct me if I'm wrong here maybe you're a super rap brain man and you can do it you can pull it off but I feel like Haus don't necessarily lend themselves to the types of rhythmic patterns that typically play over well in a lot of hip-hop music but hey you know maybe there's a rapper or two out there with just nothing but ha cou songs and they [ __ ] rule or maybe they're garbage I don't know I'm sure if I type Haiku WPS into YouTube right now they're there they exist and yet there's not really a cell in my body that's saying you know what I have to do that I have to hear this thr in the same tone as smack Chris for agency little Jad me with a black community have a makeup maybe it's Maybelline or maybe it's make believe little frers leave that frame and there we have it thank you 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