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Goodman Heat Pump Overview and Tax Credits

in this video we're going to be talking about the Goodman heat pump lineup we're going to be going through their single stage systems all the way up to their inverter systems and we're going to break down which systems qualify for some of the heat pump tax credits that are available currently as a result of the inflation reduction act we're going to go through their efficiency ratings and we're going to go through the differences between the actual systems to help you decide which system is actually right for your specific climate because the truth is there's definitely not a one-size fits all product that's best you know across the board if you live in a Northern climate for example the recommendation in terms of which heat pumps are going to work better in your state or region are going to differ drastically compared to you know a heat pump that's designed maybe to work better in a climate like Texas but we'll go through all that and more in this video but before we get started if you haven't done so already please make sure you smash that like button for the algorithm and consider subscribing to the channel if you haven't done so already we put out daily and weekly content on how you can get the best hpack for your home so if you find this content helpful subscribing to the channel is a free way you can show your support and it is much appreciated so that being said let's go ahead and dive in and again this is going to be a highlevel overview of the Goodman heat pump lineup so I actually have the products pulled up on my screen here and we'll just kind of go through them one by one and as we're going through them I'm actually going to show you which ones qualify for the heat pump tax credit and we're going to break that down on the energy star site but first off if you're you know in really when it comes down to you know the reasons that you choose a heat pump let's talk about kind of the differences between every heat pump there's there's a couple things that improve with a higher-end heat pump right number one and this is a comfort factor is that it's going to be quieter when you look at the difference between something like this gsz M4 right this is a basic sear 2 14 sear heat pump this is a basic single stage heat pump what's the difference between this system and let's say you know this GS zv9 or the S6 which is their side discharge system both of these are inverters the biggest difference is going to be quiet and then the second biggest difference is going to be efficiency so both these systems are going to be drastically more efficient than their single stage counterparts however even if you live in a really hot climate that where you could benefit from that you don't just necessarily want to get any heat pump because for example one of the differences between the side discharge system which I have pulled up here and the GS zv9 which is also their inverter driven heat pump is that the GS zv9 actually holds up better in higher ambient temperatures whereas this is just not going to perform and it starts to drate once it gets past 110 or 115° fah so if you live in a very hot climate in the middle of the desert this side discharge system might not work for you and and if you are putting one in anyways you're just going to want to make sure that you account for the load at those higher temperatures and you have you know multiple systems for your house cuz for example I just know this off the top of my head the 5 ton version of this side discharge system it actually derates to a little over 3 tons of capacity so you're talking about a 40% deration in terms of of its efficiency as a heat pump and so that's just something you want to consider because when that is running in cooling mode in the peak of Summer if you live in a really hot climate like Palm Springs or Phoenix Arizona you're going to want to make sure that that's accounted for when you're sizing that system for your home but why would you choose you know a basic single stage system well the benefit of a single stage system is number one it's cheap to repair it's more expensive to operate because it's not as efficient but the benefit basically is that it's a simple system it's cheaper to install the equipment itself is cheaper and then although it will you know have more wear and tear items on it for example has a traditional PSC motor so which means that it's going to have a run capacitor powering both the fan and the compressor those capacitors are wear and tear items and those get replaced basically every few years depending on you know what region you're in that's going to vary more often for example in Phoenix we almost replace capacitors like every couple years just because you go through capacitors a lot there just because the system's running so much in the summer and single stage systems you know require a capacitor whereas inverter systems they have Capac bors built into the inverter board but it's just non not a replacement item so although that inverter board might go bad every few years it's not something that you're having to Tinker with every year we're basically just checking to make sure everything is operational every time we're doing annual maintenance whereas this single stage system is going to have a few more wear and tear items on it but they're cheaper to repair cheaper to maintain but they are more expensive to operate so you know the situations where we recommend these is number one if it's a small house right if you have an apartment or a condo or something where it's like 1,000 sare ft or less or same thing just single family house that's smaller you're not really going to benefit from the higher-end systems unless Comfort is a factor in which case you're trying to get a dyin fit or a really quiet HVAC system like this side discharge unit that we showed you the benefit here again is going to be that it's a comfort jump but because your bill might already only be $50 or $100 a month so you're not spending a ton of money on your electric bill in the summer in a smaller house you might just not you're not really going to see the benefit of going to a higher efficiency system so in summary these single stage systems are good because they're cheap to install cheap to maintain and they're just a best you know a basic bang for your buck simple system to work on and they're reliable right and it's just something that if you're again you're just putting this in a condo a smaller home this is probably what I would recommend and you know the scenarios between these other systems now when you're going through here there's lots of systems I'm not talking about like this gsz16 that's because all these systems that just say sear next to their rating are seir 1 rated systems so these are all being phased out anyway so unless it says seir 2 there's not going to be much of a difference between you know these systems so that's why we're not talking about these CR 1 systems cuz these are actually all going to be phased out so if we jump up to this gacc H5 what's the difference here difference is that it's a little bit more efficient this is still a single stage system it's up to 15.2 CR 2 7.8 on the hsf2 rating CR2 stands for seasonal Energy Efficiency ratio and the difference between seir 2 and seir 1 is that sear 2 actually accounts for when the equipment is tested and that sear rating is determined they actually have to use what's called a a static pressure rating of 05 in of water column now that might not mean anything to you in layman's terms what it means is it's a more accurate reflection of the field conditions that we see because SE one products were technically rated with a 0.1 static pressure which I wish we saw 0.1 static pressure U 0.1 in of water column because that would mean we have properly Siz or not properly sized duct work but we'd have plenty of air flow in our home and everything's flowing really well because at 0.1 in of water column total external static pressure what that means is that your duct work is the right size for your home the truth is that about 80% of duct work in North America is unders sized both for the home and for the system it's just barely sized big enough to where it will work and it will keep up and a lot of times it's even not even sized for that and so we're often when we're doing bids we can go in and correct that because if you have a 20 foot house for example and let's say the duct work is slightly undersized normally with one or two duct runs we can make that system breathe a lot better and especially will add a couple Supply runs and maybe one return and that the process of doing that makes for a big difference in terms of how the system is going to perform because it's going to breathe better but the bottom line is sear 2 systems are actually even if it looks like a moderate you know increase in terms of its efficiency the efficiency rating is actually more accurate in terms of what you're going to see in terms of real world condition so the the benefit to this system if you're comparing that to that other single stage system we looked at you know why would you jump up to this 15.2 ser2 system is really that this system qualifies for the heat pump tax credit so if you look here this is tax credit eligible that's on the one and a half system tons systems up to the 5 ton systems now the thing to catch with that is that it's only eligible in these Southern States so none of these Goodman heat pump lineups or heat pump systems in the lineup whether it's the C7 which we'll talk about in a second that is a two-stage system where the v9 which we talked about briefly which is the inverter driven system none of those systems qualify in these Northern blue States so if you look at the blue States here these are the blue is symbolic of you know cold climate heat pump performance and in order for a system to qualify as a cold climate heat pump it has to maintain a cop which stands for coefficient performance uh 1.75 and it also has to maintain 70% of its capacity compared to its temperature 47° F so if it's running at 2 tons of heating capacity yeah at 47 degrees fit then when it goes down to 5 degrees fenhe it would have to maintain 1 and2 tons for example of output roughly in order for that system to qualify as a cold climate heat pump and unfortunately none of these uh heat pumps qualify and if you're curious or you're on the fence about a product and you want to know whether something qualifies for a heat pump tax credit in your region you can go to this energy star site which I'll make sure to link in the description below for you and you can click on this where it says explore models and you can literally start to type in uh that model number so for example if we type in the Gs zs6 so GS zs6 here and it may or may not pull up because this one doesn't qualify for any rebat so let's see if the GS zv9 qualifies so you can see it's a little finicky but it did pull up um you can see none of these systems are tax credit eligible in the north but they are in the South and so that's what this column here says is that this is a tax credit eligible heat pump in the South not in the North nor so just make sure you're on it and paying attention to that because as you can see it looks like right here the systems that qualify on that particular model are the 2 ton the 3 ton and the 4 ton outdoor unit but it has to be paired with a specific indoor air handler Andor furnace combo in order for that system to qualify and so just keep that in mind um sometimes the furnace doesn't matter just you can see as long as it's paired with the coil it will qualify or the a coil and air handler um but bottom line is this is a great resource and this this is how you can verify whether or not a system qualifies in your specific region now going back to these other heat pump lineups so you know in summary the biggest reason you would jump to this single stage uh you know 15c 2 system right here is because it's going to qualify for that heat pump tax credit if you're in one of those Southern regions and that alone is honestly the price difference between the H5 and the M4 or the B4 is probably the same as that tax credit so it would be definitely worth it if you're in a region where that qualifies or state where that qualifies to upgrade to that single stage system now what about a two-stage system um should you consider you know something like this gsz C7 well the difference between a two-stage system and a single stage system is what it sounds like uh when this system First kicks on it kicks on in two stages of heating and two stages of cooling so that means it'll come on at let's say a ballpark of 50% of its full capacity and it'll run there and then it'll kick up to 100% capacity after 10 15 minutes of runtime or depending on a uh call for cooling from the thermostat depending on how the system is set up and so the benefit of this is one it's more efficient as you can see the sear 2 rating and the hspf 2 rating are both higher but as far as comfort is concerned this is going to offer a little bit more comfort and so you can see here it says 65% is where first stage capacity comes in it's not going to be as quiet as some of the inverter systems so if Comfort is something you're really after and you're really looking to get the most comfortable quietest system I don't know that I would go with this two-stage system because in my experience the difference in price between a two-stage system like this C7 jumping up to the side discharge system like this S6 they're almost neck and neck in terms of being the same price and part of the reason why is even though this has a variable speed compressor variable speed fan motor on this GS zs6 it's a smaller foot print so the unit itself is smaller and so that's part of why the system is a little bit less expensive to manufacture because it does does use less copper less it's just a smaller footprint and so it is a smaller unit there's also less shipping costs you can fit more of these on a truck so I think that's kind of why these kind of come in neck and neck in terms of price point and if you need the absolute most efficient system you're going to jump up to this v9 which is a I believe 22.5 yep up to 22.5 seere 2 system now why would you go for you know this SE 2 system compared to this GS zs6 the side discharge system well in summary just to kind of wrap up on this two-stage system I'm not a big fan of two-stage systems because like I said in my experience if I had to choose between a side discharge inverter system that's going to be whisper quiet by comparison when this system kicks on it it runs in quiet mode and it can be as low as 43 DB whereas even this two-stage system is going to be somewhere around 68 to 70 DB so it's it's much louder that's still pretty quiet it's going to be quiet compared to your older systems because this system as well as the H5 have a sound blanket on the compressor that helps quiet things down so it's going to be quieter than what you're used to if you're replacing an air conditioner or heat pump that's 20 years old but it's night and day compared to this where you could literally be barbecuing outside and have this side discharge inverter kick on or this the v9 22 you know sear top of the line system kick on and you're not even going to hear them when they first kick on that's how quiet they are so that's why I really like these systems and typically when we start looking at the higher end systems when we're giving people a few options we're typically going with an inverter option like this side discharge we're going with to offer a single stage option and we might offer a top-of-the-line you know inverter option and the reason is just because often times the two-stage system does not make sense because for you know a little bit this typically the same investment it's going to be you're going to be able to get this inverter size discharge system and then for a little bit higher investment you can get you know a full-blown inverter which is going to maximize efficiency if you go with this gsz v9 and it's going to be quieter and just in our experience customers are typically happier with either of these systems when compared to a a two-stage system so that's why we recommend those so going back over here to the energy star data as you can see on the C7 this two-stage system it does not qualify same thing in those colder climates and the same is true for the gsz v9 so if you are looking for a cold climate heat pump unfortunately Goodman does not have a cold climate heat pump as of the filming of this video in 2024 now that may change towards you know the end of the year or into next year as Goodman you know a lot of the new refrigerants are going to be released and so when you look at if you're not in the market to replace your system right now and you don't need to you know you're not in a rush to replace your system and you're waiting there will be new systems coming out in the next few years that may qualify as a cold climate heat pump meaning that they keep up in those lower ambient temperatures and will in turn qualify for that heat pump tax credit that is available right now but the bottom line is you just want to make sure that if you're in a climate where you know it's extr extremely cold or extremely hot you're going to get a system that's going to work as designed because the worst you know it could be very disappointing if you put in a system thinking it's going to work well in your climate and then you come to find out it doesn't and right now what I want to do to articulate this point is I'm actually going to do a deep dive on into the manuals on some of these systems so you can see for yourself when I'm talking about coefficient of performance uh which explains you know how the system performs in cold climates as well as how these systems perform in high ambient temperatures but before we do that if you have hav done so already please make sure you smash that like button for the algorithm and again consider subscribing to the channel if you're enjoying this content so far so right now I actually have uh the product specification sheet pulled up with the performance data for both this gsz v9 as well as this uh gsz S6 and again this is that side discharge heat pump and we're going to compare the cold weather performance I'm going to start in the cold weather performance honestly just cuz the chart is a little bit easier to read cuz you can see the cold weather performance is is sideways like this so it's kind of annoying in the field we can just turn the manual sideways but on the computer it's a little bit more difficult when I'm pulling up these manuals so when you look here and you look at so this is the 2ton version of the GS zv9 and this right here is the Outdoor ambient temperature it goes from just to explain how this chart reads this right now what we're looking at is heating performance in you know a variety of temperatures right so if you're in Phoenix Arizona you probably don't care about this chart as much because it rarely gets below 40 maybe 35 de and as you can see the capacity doesn't really drop the coefficient of performance stays anywhere between 3.5 and 3.1 I'll explain what that means in a second but the bottom line is you know in a that's why in these Southern States this qualifies for that heat pump tax credit because it's going to perform well from a cooling perspective and it's more efficient for cooling but for heating it's not going to qualify for that because it doesn't perform as well in cold climates and I'll explain you can what this number under 5° fit uh what this number means but basically what happening is this system this MBH number means that stands for BTUs per hour and this is in Thousand so basically 23.2 is 23,200 BTUs per hour of heating capacity and that's at 47° fit and then when we look at the heating capacity or the cop or the coefficient of performance at that number the cop is 3.53 so what does that mean well cop or coefficient of performance means that for one watt of heat produced how many watts of electricity did it take and so in this instance a cop of 3.53 means that we are producing 3.53 uh watts of heat with one watt of electricity and the reason that's relevant is because heat pumps are more efficient than electric resistive heat and so as long as and this is a lot more efficient this is you know 350% efficiency increase compared to an electric space heater and so when you look at you know the coop P being 3.53 that means that this system at 47° F for every 1 watt of electricity it consumes it produces 3.5 watts of heat now if we go down to the efficiency ratings at 5° F we can see that this system drates down to 13,000 BTUs is its output so its output is almost cut in half and then in addition the cop drops down to 2.2 now the cop technically at that lower ambient temperature quality ifies for the tax credit eligibility but the system does not qualify because it does not maintain at least 70% of its output at 47° and so because the capacity loss is so high at those colder temperatures this system doesn't qualify for those rebates so this would not be a great heat pump for a cold climate for that region and when we look at the Goodman system or or the side discharge system you can see and we'll do the two-ton system as well so you can see you know how this performs as well you you can see that on this 2ton system at 47° same thing it puts out 23,200 BTUs of uh heating capacity the cop is a little bit less efficient so it's 3.4 that's why again this would be a great system you know in a cooling climate where you're really focus more on cooling but again when you get down to 5° fit the system drates all the way down to 14,000 BTUs of heating capacity and the cop still maintains it's decent it's at two so that portion of the formula would qualify for the tax credit but this capacity loss is still such that this system is not keeping up well in those colder climates so in summary you know both these systems are going to be good you know in a cooling climate and to kind of articulate my point what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull up how these systems perform in these higher ambient temperatures and right now this is the 5 ton system that I have pulled up this number right here idb stands for indoor dry bulb temperature dry bulb is a measurement of your air temperature on the return and and and so this is what we're we're measuring so indoor dry bulb right here is 85 this is your entering indoor wet bulb temperature so wet bulb same thing it's just when you're using a what's called a sling pyrometer it's a way that we can tell what it has to do with relative humidity in the air but bottom line is looking up here at 115° F and the reason I like looking at these high ambient temperatures is you can see with an wet bulb temperature of 71 this 5 ton system actually derates down to about 48,000 BTUs cooling capacity so it's actually only a 4 ton system at those higher temperatures compared to you know at 85° it's running at 56,000 BTUs in terms of its cooling capacity which is closer to it's just under 5 tons a 5 tons would be 60,000 BTUs so five and 4 and A2 would be 52 so it's basically 4 and 3/4 tons so there's not much efficiency lost at 85 maybe a little bit of efficiency loss going up to 95 but not much but the capacity loss does kick in but it still maintains maintains capacity of a 4 ton system at 115° which this is going to be during the heat of the day so that's that the hottest part of the day but you know 8:00 9:00 at night once it drops back down to 105 or the sun goes down then the system is still running at is going to be running at higher capacities but when we look at the side discharge system this is where you can see the system um really starts to struggle by comparison so this is a 5ton version as well of this side discharge system and you can see that at 9 5° F the capacity is actually a little bit higher on this particular system it's 54.6 whereas it was 53.6 on the gsz v9 which is the bigger box style condenser but the side discharge system actually only derates to 54,000 BTUs at 95 however at 115° fahit the system just struggles it's basically down to a 3ton system between a 36,000 and 38,000 BTUs which is just over 3 tons of cooling and that's out of a 5 ton condenser and so that's why it's so important to really do you know I love doing a deep dive where we dive into the differences between these system and what really sets them apart because on the surface you're just like hey it's a 5ton system this is an inverter the sear rating 17.2 you know the sear rating on on this other system you know is up to 22.5 so this is more efficient but they're both inverters they're both quiet like what's the big difference is those are the differences you want to look at so if you're in a really you know if you're in a climate where it never gets above 100 or 105° that that Goodman system might work for you know air conditioning and actually do a pretty decent job and be at a little bit better price point than this uh GS zv9 but if you're in a climate that is very demanding like Phoenix Arizona or you live in Palm Springs or anywhere in the desert in California or you know Las Vegas you're going to want to go probably with that GS zv9 or even the two-stage system because that's not going to derate at those higher temperatures the same way that this system is but again that's only true on the 5 ton system that's going to vary you know on the it's probably true as well on the 4 ton system but 3 ton and smaller the deration is a little bit less so it might keep up okay but again this is something that a local contractor will be aware of you know which systems are going to work best in your specific region and they should also be aware of which 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