uh good afternoon my name is Rita Montgomery and we are sitting here in uh The Inn at 213 17m Drive in Pacific growth California and uh I have the pleasure of uh having an interview with Dr Huen and present with me also is Rick Moss Dr Rick moss and Marvin greo we have some questions I have some questions of Dr hen uh please tell me how do I pronounce your first name is it Hela is that right e thank you yeah um so uh I'm wanting to speak with you especially about uh some of the ideas that you bring up in the book zero limits written about you by joali and um perhaps you could start out by explaining a little bit about this idea of 100 % responsibility for uh oneself and uh an entirely different idea of what the self is according to the system that you uh speak about well I think Shakespeare said it better than I um if you read Sonet 146 um Shakespeare says poor soul um and and so Shakespeare is saying the basic idea is that there are tragedies in our Liv life because we don't take a look at where the where the origin of the problem is and it's always in so the tragedy being in life is that we're clueless and we repeat the same thing over and over and over again and so um when I wor at for example when I worked at Hawaii State Hospital uh um working with people kill break and murder people I had to ask the question what is going on in me that I I am experiencing this I'm experiencing a patient being violent I'm experiencing um staff going crazy that sort of stuff and uh so having to take 100% responsibility for that what's going on in me that I'm creating this experience and so I just do this cleaning and the cleaning of ponon is about going into the self and specifically into the subconscious and where the data is and since everything is run by information so the information in my subconscious is saying is dictating to me what I'm seeing what I'm experience it's like in Shakespeare's Tempest where Miranda says oh woe is me to see what I see see so Miranda has this Insight that she's only seeing with data and so and so it is with me and so it is with all of you and so I just work on the data in me that I that I experience as quotes the other person so if I see you as being crazy and Goofy it's only my experience of you if I erase that you can't be that way not possible and so that's what I mean to be 100% responsible being 100% responsible is taking responsibility for what is going on you that you experience of whatever could I ask you to clarify just a little point you said what is it in me that is experiencing this could you clarify what you mean by experience ing do you mean perception do you no I don't even mean that I'm not I the perception perception is not perception is really a end product or consequence of data playing in the subconscious so again coming back to Miranda Miranda is saying I only can see what I see because the data is seeing what I see so Miranda is is really speaking what Shakespeare says the mind is but it's just a stage and the data runs around on the stage and the dat data is really um what is going on and so if the data is such that I'm say I'm making I'm experiencing I'm suffering or I'm experiencing people being goofy then I have to be responsible for that what's going on in me and it's simply data playing and more specifically memories rep playing in subconscious and those can be erased I think that is probably the most profound thing about this whole ponon is that you could erase data could you give us an example of what it feels like or looks like for data to be erased or is that not something that can be done in this kind of setting I'm I'm not sure what you're asking could you give us an example of cleaning I mean how do we erase the data within our own minds is that something that could be disc of course um it's you can teach it trees can do it cars can do it anybody can do it but the idea is the most fundamental question one needs to know is the question who am I and most people have no idea about who they are and therefore are not uh allow um the data in them to speak for them as opposed to choosing to not have the data by erasing it and so um it's coming back to great like Jesus Jesus said love your enemies and your only enemy is the memory planing that you experience as the Judgment anger resentment hate annoyance and so the whole point is about falling in love with the data and saying to the anger I love saying to the memory that repl the anger I love you thank you for showing up and giving you one more chance to free and so the whole Pon just simply saying I love you thank you when the data is erased what is the self that remains is it um a unique self that has God created is it individuated or is it just pure self so so let let me come back at you so I would ask you who's talking who's asking the question well that would be the data and because the the other part of me would know the answer to that yeah but I'm saying since the data is talking you can erase the data so I'm saying to people it no matter if you have question question you'll never be able to get at what is going on because the data is running you and the idea is to get to see um we historically have come from this notion that you can decode things so the Greek come along and Greek said well let's examine let's analyze but the whole pun is not about examining or analyzing hon is about letting go the data so when the data is erased you are what Buddha called in the space of void or what Shakespeare calls you're in the state of of blank and it is when you are in that state of emptiness void and blank then this inspiration comes through what quantum physics called The Phantom Force of nothing so it's a state of nothingness I'm sorry I'm sorry it's a state of nothingness that you're desing you have to really be careful because um one has to be as precise as possible no thought words no not not no thought no data plan so so what does it mean to have no data fee that means you're free you're you're absolutely free when no data place and when you and it's only at Freedom or I'll use another word Clarity Clarity is defined as no data playing no data meaning no memory replaying in the subconscious that one the experiences so let's say you get it you get the Mind back to zero is what Jesus called the stone of the foundation and only on that Foundation then can you build something and then out of that Foundation comes the inspiration and so you are moved by Perfect information as opposed to being in dead then using dead information but most of the time we're dead we we without realizing we're stuck in old data and we're dead and the whole Pon is about releasing the the death and the debt so we we basically have a mortgage in our souls and we don't even know that and we we because we're not conscious of it or not even aware of it we're stuck in it and we we're just going to suffer and and it doesn't have to be so but you can you can erase the data back to zero and that back at zero other nothing comes this Phantom Force of inspiration new dat brand new