hi guys welcome to another monday night uh teaching today what we wanted to do i've had two or three people this last week asked about uh the essene beliefs doctrines and a little bit of their history and how they got started and things like that so i wanted to kind of revisit that we have been growing quite a bit so we have a lot of new people that have come along we we've got a good number of teachings in our youtube channel which you can go back and see some of the things we've done but it does take a long time to get through those so i thought today would be a good time just to go back through the essene teachings just to kind of see the whole idea basically you've got essenes and you've got pharisees and you've got sadducees and in the bible uh you have specifically those are the three big ones but there's several other subgroups in the bible there's samaritans there's uh essenes or scribes there's pharisees and sadducees and then there's zealots uh along with the zeretz zealots there were zikari and a few other subgroups basically uh the samaritans were a people that came in that started worshiping the lord when one of the sets of tribes were taken out this was done by the assyrians so what happens is you've got these people that have the five books of moses and are told or come to believe for some reason that the canon is closed uh you can't add to god's word anymore we're done and it was interesting i don't know if you saw it or not but last week they had an episode of the chosen where jesus was in samaria and he was healing people doing things and so the leader asked him to come into the synagogue and preach so they go in there and they have actually five books on the table genesis exodus leviticus numbers and deuteronomy and that's it and they begin to have this conversation john comes in john makes the comment oh they are missing so much and jesus says yes they are well let's start with genesis you know and he goes out and preaches a sermon so that's interesting but we have different ideas like that so the samaritans would say this is the bible this is what we believe the other stuff may or may not be accurate history uh we don't care it shouldn't be added to the bible jews on the other hand would say no no there's it continues the succession of prophets teach that these things should be added to the canon and it continues up so that's one major thing today we see catholics having a few more books than protestants do we see the eastern orthodox having psalm 151 and a couple of books that the i think it's third and fourth maccabees that the catholics don't have and then you see other subgroups certain orthodox groups having more or less of that in their canon that's just one issue but basically orthodox or orthodox catholic or catholic protestants or protestants but it's just interesting to look at so with that in mind i mean somebody's right and somebody's wrong that's obvious uh but we go back to the pharisees the sadducees and the essenes they all claim to be the original representation of moses and the law of moses is given by god and everybody else is apostate because and somebody's changed their doctrine that's for sure um if we were all part of a baptist church that believes in believers baptism by immersion and somehow we got three subgroups out of the deal some of them don't believe in baptism others believe in baptism by sprinkling others believe in baptism by immersion others say it's symbolic of something else you know and so you've got these four groups then of baptists to believe they are the true doctrine all the way back the same kind of thing is happening with the pharisees and sadducees and the essenes we know from scriptures though that the sadducees believed that there is no angels and there's no resurrection and so obviously looking at the scriptures you can tell that they've apostatized that that's not biblical there's no way that they would believe that's that kind of a thing or that the original jews would so what's going on then as we go to the pharisees and they are very very biblical minded they believe in the scriptures they believe in life after death they believe in the resurrection they believe in heaven and hell they believe in following the word of god waiting for messiah but then they start interpreting things by the oral torah which is an extra set of books basically now as a christian i'm going to interpret the old testament by what the new testament tells me so when isaiah for instance says this is a sign a virgin shall conceive and bear his son and you'll call his name immanuel meaning god with us that sounds like a virgin birth the pharisees say that based on our oral torah for instance that means something else there isn't such thing as a real virgin birth well when we get to matthew though matthew said that mary was a virgin she'd never been married never had a child never been with a man that's a virgin but she would conceive by the power of the holy spirit and give birth to the messiah now that story then with all that detail doesn't leave any room for doubt it's a virgin birth and then matthew said this fulfills that prophecy out of isaiah so the new testament believers for instance just taking this one doctrine believe that isaiah is prophesying a virgin birth the pharisees on the other hand would admit that it kind of looks that way but their oral torah says it means something else so as a christian going by the new testament i'm going to say the pharisees are wrong at least on that one doctrine okay and they keep coming up with other doctrines or teachings about the messiah that contradict the new testament so i'm just going to hang out there so sadducees are out of the picture pharisees seem to be godly but have some very strange teachings on the old testament and we didn't know much about the essenes until the dead sea scrolls come along and in the 1990s almost up to late 1990s finally their hit their history and theology their community rule things like that came out to the public and so now we know what they teach as you would expect the essenes say we are the original jews and the pharisees say no no we are the original jews you're a cult no you're a cult no you're a cult that's kind of the way it went um but again as a christian i'm looking at the new testament just just the basic stuff that we would all agree on if you if you believe the old testament the new testament is true then you'd believe in a virgin birth because it's very clear in matthew you believe that jesus died on the cross for your sins that's very clear in like matthew 28 so these things would be interpreted that way well it turns out then that the essenes believed the same as we do and they interpret that we've talked about that several times one of the best documents for that is 11q13 called the melchizedek document it actually says that melchizedek uh is god incarnate okay and he comes to earth to die for our sins to forgive us of the dead of our iniquities and then it turns around and says that event would occur in 32 a.d and several other points to it so it's a very very amazing document so the messiah doesn't that particular document doesn't say anything about a virgin birth but there are other dead sea scrolls that do and so we wanted to kind of look at that tonight just a little bit just kind of re-looking at these things and this is one reason why israel now becomes a nation the dead sea scrolls come to pass you know or are become public and i believe that to be a prophecy of isaiah 29 but anyway when you're surrounded by people that said jews never used to be here you're liars get out this is our land you never used to be here and then you dig up in the dirt hebrew old testament scriptures that pretty much proves that the jews used to be there i mean there's really no way around that sometime anyway they used to be there and so with the landscape and the dead sea scrolls it pretty much proves that the jews have a right to be in their land so that's of course what they would really camp out on they would want to everyone to know about the dead sea scrolls because it's their key to proving they own the land interesting thing about that then is if that proves that that's their land because it's their ancestors that wrote it we need to listen to what their ancestors said and their ancestors tell the story of the essenes being the original jews and the pharisees being basically a cult or a cut off of proper doctrine so let's start off by looking at this i made a chart and i thought you would be interested in this a ways back and i'm going to add to this but hopefully you can see this okay some of the basic issues and what the sadducees the pharisees and the essenes see so we've got the sadducees in the first column pharisees in the second and the scenes in the third so under the issues final authority so who is the final authority for sadducees it would be the government because the sadducees believe that there is no resurrection there is no holy spirit we'll see that in a minute um so once you're dead you're dead if that's true why would i want to die early and if i can just do whatever i'm told and not have a problem and live a nice long life no matter what happens to other people that's what i should do and so that was the basic concept of the sadducees final form the government pharisees on the other hand believed in the resurrection of the body a heaven and a hell so if that's true i don't want to live a nice long life of an extra 10 years and then spend my eternity in the lake of fire that's not a good idea so we don't uh submit our the final authorities not the local government the romans the you know whoever is the seleucid empire it would actually be scripture but again what they they want they want to make it very very clear uh what they believe and this concept of an oral law or oral torah comes up so for instance if pharisees and sadducees are debating it should be done this way no it should be done this way if they can come up with an oral quote that nobody's heard before but moses told us orally all the way down therefore moses said you do it our way well that's that's pretty convincing if you didn't think it was made up so that's the concept the oral torah and i'm not saying that the oral torah is all lies it's probably 90 correct uh the old testament tells us things like we need us the jews the levites rather need to sacrifice animals well that's fine and i'm not a levite so i wouldn't do that but if i was going to do that how would i do that do i have to say a certain prayer stand facing the east how do i actually slaughter the animal there's a lot of details that aren't given in the old testament so that's where this oral law would come from so there's a lot of that and a lot of history probably correct if it's just telling history but in the midst of this is going to be all these ideas that aren't quite right so oral law now the essenes would say we base our understanding of the old testament by the writings of the patriarchs so their concept is remember again let's go back to my my concept of isaiah isaiah said a virgin will conceive a bear a son and you call his name emmanuel well maybe virgin means the word alma there in heber maybe that means something else who knows that would be the concept well the pharisees would say we know it means something else because our oral torah says so the essenes would say who cares when you're dead you're dead don't worry about it just be obedient the essenes on the other hand would say we know that it means a virgin birth because the writings of the patriarch say that's what it is as a christian i'm going to say i know it's a virgin birth because that's what matthew says it is and i go by the old the new testament rather new testament hadn't been written yet so we'll take a peek at these patriarchs but basically the concept is from adam down to aaron all the patriarchs wrote a last will and testament and many of these have been found in the dead sea scrolls and so we've tried to pull those together we'll look at those in a minute but you can kind of see that we're not trying to add to scripture they're not added to the canon as a matter of fact they could be considered a pre-mosaic canon like a canon for the first age whereas moses writing in the old testament is the canon for the second age new testament canon for the third age maybe there will be a kingdom one uh whether they looked at it or not they looked at it as a high regard in authority but what makes it interesting is the more we delve into the messiah history prophecy things like that the more we realize the sadducees are way out out of the picture pharisees have a form of godliness but don't have a clue or deliberately lied to change something that's what it seems like uh some of them anyway i'm sure there was a lot of really good pharisees anyway the essenes then followed this patriarchal teaching and that apparently the more we look at it is identical with new testament theology so with that in mind is as christians if we believe the new testament which one of these three groups would you say is the original doctrine or the original teaching and i would go with the scenes so let's go on with this then so the final authority we would say is not the government or the oral torah but the patriarchs priestly code for instance who's supposed to follow the priestly code so like the book of leviticus if you um uh you got to say the prayer is just right you've got to drink the the wine in a certain way a certain kind of wine you've got to make it a certain way is that for everybody for jews for priests people on duty is it what kind of a thing is it so the sadducees would say and this is interesting how the history how it came about but it's for everyone so in other words a jew a gentile a man a woman a priest a non-priest you have to follow all these things and we can see things like this in in in matthew matthew mark and luke for instance when the jesus was coming back they went through a cornfield or a wheat field and the set the disciples started picking some corn and eating it well the pharisees objected and say why do you let them to do this why don't you teach them to observe the tradition of the elders which is this oral law right here the pharisee tradition of the elders and jesus said because you know he could have very easily said because they're not priests do you know the difference between the temple and a cornfield we're standing in a cornfield it's not hard to figure out of course they would have said you're not supposed to pick corn on the sabbath or whatever no you're not supposed to work on the sabbath their profession is not picking corn they're not picking it to make money we're coming home from church basically and we're hungry and here's an apple or or something pick it and eat it that's not breaking the this tradition of the elders would say you're breaking the law not the old testament so it's that kind of a thing so the priestly code then is for everyone the pharisees would say well it's for all jews it's not for gentiles so we all understand that but it's for all jews the essenes would say it's for the priests so wearing the phil the phylacteries you know the teflon uh the zeat seed things like that are for rabbis or priests or people working in the temple or even the normal jew going into the temple to do something on us on the feast of tabernacles or something like that but not for other people matter of fact even the oral uh or not oral but the orthodox today would tell you that it's uh that's a sin for instance for a woman to wear the zitseed that's the tassels or a yarmulke or a teflon or anything like that because women are not supposed to wear men's clothes so that's why it's forbidden and it's interesting over here we see a lot of messianic churches with the ladies having coverings on their head and and wearing the teflon and the things like that and it's it's very disrespectful according to the israelis today if you wouldn't did that in israel you'd be highly reprimanded so anyway difference in this so priestly code everybody just jews or just priests so it's really interesting uh forced gentile circumcision should gentiles be forced to convert and if you're living in israel should you be forced to start be circumcised and sadducees would say yes in israel because they have no authority outside of israel but everybody living in israel should be forced to be circumcised the pharisees and the sadducees both said no circumcision is when you want to convert and if you're not wanting to convert to judaism to stay in noah hide or whatever or even like a roman they're not to be forced to convert now this falls in line with what paul says because he talks about in corinthians this is the rule that i lay down in every church if you're circumcised don't seek uncircumcision if you're uncircumcised do not seek circumcision follow the way that you were born and then he actually makes mention is it's interesting he says because it's important circumcision or uncircumcision doesn't matter what matters is following the law of god which shows that circumcision is a law of moses so again you may or may not disagree or agree with these but these are the differences in the concepts noahide law so the concept that gentiles follow the seven noahide laws they're not supposed to follow the priestly rituals or other rituals that jews do for instance there are 613 laws according to maimonides but about 400 of them pertain to the priesthood and since none of us even if we converted to judaism would be able to become a levitical priest go into a rebuilt temple since there isn't one and start doing sacrifices so with that in mind there's 400 or so of those laws that are impossible for anyone to do and even if we had a levitical priesthood any rebuilt temple and it was all up and going and maybe i'm married into a levitical family then maybe my children might you know be able to do that but not me say that would be against the law of moses so noah hyde law nothing is mentioned about that as far as pharisees or sadducees go but pharisees and essenes both believe in noahide law there's a difference between a noahide court and a gentile i mean a jewish court uh the main focus i thought this was interesting the sadducees main focus is on social issues this sounds really interesting if you kind of put a lot of our churches together here do whatever the government tells you if you can't go to church you can't go to church um we don't want to go to hell so other people whatever social issues are most important we want everybody to get along everybody to be fed everything well if the churches are doing what they're supposed to they would be feeding the poor and doing it would be done it wouldn't be an issue but social issue and social injustice so focused on that you forget the other points is sinful okay and so the pharisees are a little closer to home their main idea is doctrine they don't care so much about social issues but are you following the doctrine now that would be perfect if they followed the doctrine as taught in the in the old testament or like we would in the new but if you're going by man-made traditions this is going to be really messed up and everybody recognized that they kind of hated the sadducees and the pharisees they loved the essenes though it seems focused on prophecy and i think that's really important yes uh make sure that you don't sin stop sinning because sin will hurt you you don't want to mess yourself up you know don't don't eat until you're huge and have a heart attack don't smoke cigarettes until you get lung cancer don't drink so much of alcohol that you get a corroded liver there are things that you should do and things that you shouldn't do get some mild exercise eat a proper balanced diet you know things like that so don't hurt yourself in any way but the focus is what is god doing not for me but what is his plan when is the first coming when is the second coming how do i prepare for it what should we be doing what do the prophets say about this yeah the moral issues are important but they're pretty straightforward i shouldn't steal okay i got that i shouldn't fornicate okay i got that i may not like it but i got that i shouldn't murder people okay i that's pretty self-explanatory i got that what about prophecy well there's riddles well let's study them so this was the whole concept what's interesting is if you were a gentile or a woman or even worse a gentile woman and you were in israel back in those days sadducees um do we have this in here yeah under demeanor basically uh the sadducees would be extremely unfriendly to anyone who's a gentile or a jew who's not of their order they're very quickly cliquish pharisees would be friendly to jews all jews you know but you've got to follow their weird traditions or they'll yell at you but gentiles out of the picture convert or get out as scenes on the other hand are friendly to everyone if you're not interested in the things of god go away leave me alone i'm not going to bother you if you come to a scene and say i'm a believer in messiah does messiah what do you know of messiah can we talk about messiah the essene would stop and sit down and talk with you and like it says in the school of elijah it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman a jew or a gentile you want to know messiah we'll get to know messiah let's sit down and talk so you know you may or may not become a priest or you can't become a priest may or may not become a prophet but and that's what's interesting too because nathan was as far as i know the only gentile prophet he never converted he's forbidden to convert because he's in netan which is a gibeonite the gibeonites remember when joshua was coming into the land pretended they were from a long ways away and they wanted to come and make peace because they were scared they were going to get killed so the ruling was made that they can exist they can be with them but they can't intermingle they can't ever convert to judaism they can't ever intermarry with jews they can't ever do they have to be they're segregated now the gibeonites one of the gibeonites much later was a guy named nathan who was baptized in the holy spirit became a prophet and he was a gentile prophet that taught king david how to be the greatest jewish king that's ever been so it's an interesting dichotomy you can see this all the way through these things that there's there's a difference between jews and gentiles be one or the other and you can convert you can do whatever but be one or the other don't confuse people so this is the demeanor of that but back up here then if the focus then i thought is interesting is on prophecy and that's where a lot of us are um eternal life and the resurrection again it's been said in the new testament that the sadducees didn't believe in eternal life or in the resurrection or in angels that kind of thing pharisees and scenes both did of course because they take the scriptures literally the messiah who is the messiah pharisees said he's only a man there's no doctrine i don't think from a sadducee document that i know of but i would imagine he's pro they're probably along the line of the pharisee idea essenes say no he's god incarnate the patriarchs said so so no problem and you kind of see that in isaiah being being born of a virgin emmanuel god with us uh one messiah was two comings or two messiahs and one coming or that was a big debate in the first century again sadducees it doesn't matter because they're just men anyway um pharisees say no there's not one messiah with two comings there's actually two separate messiahs a messiah been david and a messiah and joseph the essenes on the other hand said no no no there's one messiah he comes to die for our sins somehow he you know it's speculative but he must if he dies and then rules forever how does that work well he has to die apparently there's a resurrection everybody believes in the resurrection so that's not difficult to figure out apparently he goes away for a while and comes back so you know so the one messiah two comings the holy spirit does the holy spirit exist is the holy spirit part of a trinity is the holy spirit an angel is it just a word for stuff you know what do you say uh the sadducees said that the holy spirit did not exist so when you see in the new testament people would say things like um how were you baptized you know i you know i think it was apollos that said we we don't even know if there is a holy spirit well how are you baptized john's baptism baptism of repentance oh you guys need to become a christian then you're kind of halfway there you're baptized by an essene looking for the messiah but you don't know much about the messiah let's introduce you to him and let's introduce you to the holy spirit so you can tell these guys probably came from a sadducee background and then you know studied under john uh the pharisees and sadducees both said the holy spirit exists what i think is interesting now a modern-day orthodox some of the orthodox jews will say the holy spirit exists but they don't look at the holy spirit as a person or an angel or anything like that they tend to call it a lower form of prophecy and i have no idea what that even means but anyway the essenes made it clear that there's god the father hashem when the messiah comes somehow he down here as a human is god incarnate although god is still up there so i don't know how that works and then there's the holy spirit that guides the prophets and then there are angels and there's humans and animals and plants and all sorts of things so they don't use a concept to say trinity but you can see it taught in their writings even back like in the book of god and several other things so it's really interesting do angels exist sadducees said no pharisees and his scenes have said yes of course they do they're all through the old testament uh gifts and the prophets this is interesting to me many of you today may maybe have went to a charismatic or a pentecostal church that say all the gifts function and maybe you've went to another church that's not pentecostal and maybe they say none of the gifts function anymore it's all ceased it's all been done away with and a lot of people are kind of in between maybe they think that you know god sometimes heals but there's no tongues or vice versa or something well what's interesting is we all agree as christians that the gifts flowed in the first century there was the prophet agabus uh the disciples healed people so the gifts were there in the first century so with that in mind whether you think it's here now or not it was in the first century of the christian era so with that in mind then before the christians this is what's interesting because the sadducees and the pharisees both said no the gifts and the prophets and the prophecies the gifts of the spirit that all ceased it doesn't happen anymore and that i thought that was really interesting the essenes said no they continue the essenes are known by the uh jews as being prophets that were 100 accurate in their prophecies and they understood the biblical prophecies perfectly by the holy spirit but they also had extra biblical prophecies and were always 100 accurate and these guys loved the community and they would sit down with you and talk about prophecy and what god expects of you if you're jewish or gentile or a man or a woman or whatever and so it's really interesting the people called the essenes the saints the sadducees and the pharisees are yeah they sit in the seat of moses that's all we'll say and that's that was their attitude for them and you can understand why but today it's interesting to me because you know that in their day the the scenes would have then been thought of as those wacky charismatics i don't know if they spoke in tongues or not but is believing in the gifts and prophecy and healings and those wacky weirdos you know i'd rather hang out with the pharisees that are calm and nice and even that understand that god can't do that anymore but it's interesting if the gifts existed and the essenes said they existed and then john the baptist comes jesus and the holy spirit is given and the first century church starts and from then on according to the early church fathers the gifts continue but only in believers of messiah so it doesn't matter if you're jewish or gentile if you believe in messiah and you're baptized in the holy spirit which you'd have to believe in messiah to do that then the gifts are there if you're a believer in the laws of moses and you've rejected jesus as messiah you don't have any gifts it's really interesting that's what the first first century church father said so to me it's interesting because it really looks like if your doctrine gets off and you get socially minded and forget about what god wants you to do as a person you're not going to experience gifts and you're going to really assume that gifts have stopped that is really interesting now maybe they have or haven't in our time period but i'm just saying it's really interesting so now among the churches that say the gifts have stopped are they really doing a great work for the lord now granted there's always been wacky charismatics there's been people that fake healings stuff like that but we're talking about what god is doing not what weirdos are doing okay patriarchal testaments they're rejected by the sadducees and the pharisees but accepted by the essenes now what's interesting about the patriarchal testaments is that um everybody exhib everybody acknowledges that they existed the pharisees the sadducees the essenes even the early church fathers they all said yeah apparently these things did exist but don't know where they're at here they've probably just been destroyed who knows you know that kind of thing and what's interesting to me is if my grandfather was a prophet of god and wrote down his thoughts his feelings what he thought god was telling him his prophecies in a book and i'm not going to take it as gospel 100 truth but if he was known to be a prophet and prayed for people and people got healed and there's my father's memoirs or my grandfather's i'm going to keep that if it starts getting war-torn i'm going to make copies of it i'm going to digitize it and put it on the internet i don't want to lose that that's my grandfather and i'm sure they would have felt the same way so what happened to your grandfather's notes oh i don't know they must have disappeared somewhere somebody wanted them to disappear because of what grandfather said that's what's interesting about it so again if if these guys are jewish their theology their interpretation of the old testament is just like us christians because we believe the new testament and they believe it because of the patriarchal writings that's something we need to look at and we need to share with our jewish brothers so that they can come to understand messiah oral torah is rejected by the sadducees accepted by the pharisees and it's rejected by these scenes of course the tradition of the elders this is just kind of a small um chart to kind of go along with this so let's take a peek at the patriarchal testaments when about three years ago i started going through the dead sea scrolls really heavy and when i came to understand this is their basis for their understanding it's like if you go to a baptist church you have a baptist faith and message i think it's like a thing saying what you as a baptist believe and what you do maybe it's right maybe it's wrong maybe it doesn't matter and somebody can do it a different way but you as a denomination do it this way okay so the patriarchal testaments are what the essenes would do as opposed to the oral torah is what the pharisees would do so there's a lot of these in here and just going through here there there should be some at least 40 if not more maybe 70 according to some text but for instance uh the testaments we have a piece of the testament of enos now remember adam seth enos this is adam's grandson actually has a testament and it's badly fragmented but there's a piece of it talking about god and messiah and things like that so they knew a messiah would come and save them we don't have anything from adam for instance but we do have a quote from josephus quoting adam's testament just one little piece it was about the the judgments that are coming one by fire and one by a flood of water but he didn't know which one was going to come first but he just but he did understand that much and that was part of his testament so really interesting lamech and then noah noah's testament is amazing it explains a lot abraham's testament is pretty interesting too then you've got jacob very small piece of it and then you got the 12 children reuben down to benjamin now these have existed in greek for the longest time people thought of them as fiction because the armenian and syrian churches that have these have added them to their canon they consider them scripture but the story is that in the middle ages somebody found these documents in caves in judea that's where we found the dead sea scrolls and they translated them into greek they believed them they put them in their cannon and but if that story is true where are the hebrew versions well they're gone yeah that's a really nice story you know so it was thought of as christian fiction because these things much like the essene concepts it's way too christian if you're thinking of christianity as developing so but what's interesting is with the dead sea scrolls we have many of these a good half of these are there so parts of levi judah issachar gad many of these things benjamin now but what's interesting though is we got the testament to levi and that's probably the most important one to study as far as prophecy goes very interesting but levi's child was kohath kohath was the father of amram amram was the father of moses and aaron so we actually have a good portion of kohath amram and aaron's testament and it's amazing to see aaron you know if this is not tampered with this is the testament of aaron telling his children that he the prophecies are that they will air in the last days when messiah comes and they will actually put messiah to death and if you want to be in god's grace have nothing to do with the nails whatever that means because nobody was crucified at that point yet um or that it hadn't been invented yet but seeing things like that all through the testaments is really amazing so let me just run through here real quick those are some of them in the book that we made is we have a prophecy outline and these are where they have so you've got the testament of jacob rubin simeon and so up here this first one is l4 right here so l4 is the testament of levi which here's levi chapter four and so that's how this works exactly and we have lots of quotes down here to kind of pull the prophecies together but just looking at this chart levi chapter 4 tells us that the messiah is called the son of god now we know that or we surmise that through like psalm 1 and 2 and other places but proverbs uh chapter 30. you know tell me god's name if you can and what is his son's name god has a son cool what is his name well it's a riddle if you can if you know tell me that's what it says in proverbs 30. um so anyway messiah is god's son or is called the son of god the messiah is actually god incarnate now this is in simeon chapter five and seven six and seven excuse me zebulon 9 naphthalene 8 asher 7 and benjamin chapter 10. that's pretty interesting levi's priesthood would exist only until the messiah comes then the new melchizedekian priesthood would arise this is mentioned in ruby rubin 6 levi 4 and 5 benjamin 9. levi's ordinances and sacrifices are only until messiah and that's mentioned specifically in reuben 6. um the tribes would rebel against judah and levi that's in reuben 6 and dan 5. so i'll just go ahead and read these without the references uh messiah is supposed to be of the seed of judah we know that from scripture the messiah is virgin born that's in joseph 19. we worship the messiah well yeah if he's god incarnate we would be worshipping him so pretty interesting messiah is an everlasting king then how does he die it's a it's a mystery we'll figure it out when it happens but apparently there's a resurrection it's not you know it's got to be something like that but that's in reuben and joseph the messiah dies for us it fixes our relationship with god somehow according to what it says in reuben 6. there's a physical resurrection that's easy that's all through the old testament the messiah brings salvation that makes sense the levites are the one to crucify the messiah that's pretty interesting now the romans actually did it of course actually did that but the levites were the ones that were behind the scenes to make them crucify the messiah there would be two expulsions and this is also talked about by the church fathers as they interpret uh amos chapter nine but it's interesting then if you understand that they get kicked out of their land as a whole the nation of israel ceases to exist in the babylonian captivity and then they come back and re-establish their kingdom or their nation again they continue there until 135 a.d with the marco rebellion when they're kicked out of their country and this time not in one spot in captivity but ex and expulsion and israel ceases to exist until 1948 when they come back so if there's only two expulsions where the nation don't no longer exists that means next time you're going to have the believers fleeing probably to petra under the reign of the antichrist but the nation would still be there there will be an apostate government that sides with the antichrist allows the antichrist to sit in the temple you know etc but that's pretty interesting because the church fathers recognized this and they said if there's only two expulsions what you want to do is look at the prophecies in the old testament and look real close if it says when they come back from the land of the north or from babylon or from you know something like that then that's 536 bc sometime after that those prophecies are fulfilled when you see israel coming back from the four corners of the world from all nations something like that then we know that's 1948 so those prophecies when it says when this happens then this you know that those prophecies are going to occur sometime after 1948 a.d and that's what's very important to compartmentalize the prophecies to understand them better so it's interesting that way back when levi 15 zebulun 9 now after life 4 and asher 7 that there would be two expulsions in the land they hadn't even really started yet you know they haven't went to egypt yet and you know isn't that amazing but they have those that study the prophecies anointing but the spirit will understand these things the messiah resurrects in levi 16 so now we know how that happens the messiah dies for our sins the messiah resurrects and then later on in the next age 2000 years later starts the kingdom messiah sends the messiah creates a new priesthood that's in levi 18 and aaron iv now think about this a minute if the 12 the um testaments of the 12 possibly being tweaked through centuries of christianity that's going to be the argument um we have parts of them in hebrew which are pretty interesting but maybe parts of them aren't right that's the argument well then if you set those aside and look at all of the other testaments they don't exist anywhere as far as i know of in the world except for the dead sea scrolls and this is pre-christian so notice this the messiah creates a new priesthood is in levi 18 okay maybe that's somewhat tampered with or mistranslated but it's also in aaron chapter four that's only in the dead sea scrolls so apparently when messiah comes and abolishes the levitical priesthood and the temple is destroyed he creates a new priesthood hey peter said something about that we're a new priesthood a royal nation a peculiar people okay i just thought it was interesting uh the book of enoch is mentioned as a legitimate book not necessarily scripture nobody said scripture i don't think anybody mentions scripture as a word back then but the book of enoch is part of the books of the ancestors so enoch is one of the patriarchs and so we have that the the several people have asked me this too that the uh because i've made comments about the book of enoch may not be 100 reliable in the ethiopic so they're like well but you translated it so it's like you know how does this work and what we're seeing is the the pieces of enoch and the dead sea scrolls are almost word perfect with the the parts that are in the ethiopic and we have presumably most if not all and maybe some additions in the ethiopia but there's a few places where it's just slightly different and it makes a lot more sense in the hebrew dead sea scroll version than that there's very little to even go on and even less that we could say is different but it just lets you to understand that there's a difference book of jubilees has got some interesting things in it it's got a few things that contradict not necessarily scripture but contradict like a jasher and a few other things but the numbers are off and so that tells us for instance comparing it to genesis you start off with creation by the time you get to i forget where exactly but it keeps getting off and off and off and at one point it's 300 years off to count with genesis but then something happens and it kind of flips around and starts going back so by the time you get to the birth of jacob it's only one year difference between that and genesis so really interesting so that would be like two thousand and something two thousand thirty forty something like that when jacob was born um that'd be right jacob yeah anyway uh whatever it is but it's interesting to see that so obviously somebody messed up the numbers and then somebody tried to fix it okay so it we just gotta take everything with a grain of salt but anyway the fact that it's mentioned and the watchers and the history and the prophecies that are in the book of enoch mentioned in levi 16 judah 18 zebulun 3 nafta life 4 and benjamin 9 so quite a bit the writings of the fathers and that's talking about the patriarchal writings mentioned in zebulun 9 and cohath chapter 2. again if you think that the 12 sons are you know you don't want to possibly put doctrine into them because they may be corrupted through the middle ages but what about kohath just a dead sea scroll nowhere else on the planet the writings of the fathers existed okay very interesting the messiah would appear in zebulun or in the place of zebulun remember that's what it says in uh in matthew so matthew could be quoting zebulun 9 as a prophecy uh the new jerusalem is mentioned in dan 5. the old jerusalem is mentioned in jacob 2. the watchers the fallen angels in enoch are mentioned specifically in naphtali 3. so as you can see everybody believed no one believed sethite canaanite theory of genesis chapter 6 until the middle of the 2nd century a.d so and then that came actually from a gnostic source that kind of got twisted around so long story anyway messiah's priesthood would be eternal and that's found in amram and in aaron two of them that are only in the dead sea scrolls so anyway lots of other stuff in there i just wanted to kind of show you that for this prophecy outline um last thing i want to share with you is something from one of the church fathers yeah we got time and this is something it's it's from a guy named hippolytus and to give you a basic background of him um the apostle john had uh disciples one of which was polycarp and polycarp's mean disciple was justin martyr or mean two and irenaeus and irenaeus's main disciple was hippolytus so this guy here so this is four generations from john so so in and he writes a book called refutation of heresies so john has problems with nasty cults polycarp does justin martyr does and then irenaeus decides we're going to fix this i'm going to write down every cult that we have in our in our country starting you know and this is the weird stuff that they teach and they get it from these verses and this is what that really means and here's verses that counteract it so it's a it's an anti-cult thing you guys probably remember walter martin who wrote the kingdom of the cults nice fairly thick book on basic cults in the united states so same kind of a deal well after him hippolytus or hippolytus use different ways but pronounced different ways but he writes refutation of heresies basically does the same thing well at one point in chapter actually it's book 9 chapter 21. he starts talking about the divisions of each of the groups and there's subdivisions of samaritans of sadducees and pharisees and all these groups of interest to me though is the divisions of the essenes so when you get up to the time of christ the apostasy had overtaken the pharisees sadducees the samaritans the bahithians the zealots the saqari you'd think everybody was messed up except the essenes you know the one good group no apostasy always sneaks into every church and maybe your church or your denomination is the perfect one i don't think there is a perfect one but let's just say it is probably about as close to perfect as you can get that doesn't mean that if you go you know three or four towns down and you find a church that's one of yours and you walk in there that it's guaranteed to be absolutely perfect you have weirdos con artists that just kind of infiltrate and that's why we've got to watch them or or maybe that pastor seemed to be good was trained properly but now he's doubting his salvation his doubting prophecy things happen so what's interesting here is they said that there were four types and basically the last one here number four is called the ancients and they they called themselves this because they continue with the original pattern and they won't associate with any of the other three subgroups in any way so the essenes said we follow the ancient testaments of the patriarchs the ancient old testament the old ways the old paths the way it was always done these guys the pharisees the sadducees have departed and now in our ranks there are people that are getting confused miswriting misreading scripture and we're going to have to excommunicate them now it's not so much of what they believed but the the heretic concept and we usually think of a heretic as someone that doesn't believe like we do but a heretic is actually a divisive person so it could be something simple as baptism let's say you're you believe in believers baptism by immersion and i'm thinking i was raised in a church that may be sprinkles and maybe it's a big deal and maybe it's not i'll listen to what you gotta say but my heart is just with my old church and me whatever i'm not divisive about it it's not a big deal to me but i want to study with you i love the lord in that case you know paul talks about it you know in that case she probably called me a weak brother in the first corinthians it talks about you allow weak brethren to come because if they want to study and they study they will eventually figure it out and you don't want to drive someone away from becoming a christian becoming a mature christian but if they come to church or to your bible study for the specific purpose of causing division they have to be escorted out that's just all there is to it because they're divisive so it doesn't matter what we're talking about but it's that heretic attitude i know better and you will come to understand you can leave now and so that's what they're doing but so these three groups then apparently got to the point that you have to do it my way and that's when the excommunication happens you have to boot them out of your church so these three groups it's really interesting well i call the first group hyper idolatry the the description from hip from hippolytus is that they would not handle coins or go into a city where there's images now you can understand this the concept that if you're not supposed to have idols so they misunderstand the old testament the laws of moses about the idol idolatry if and i think we all understand this if i go into a museum and there's a statue of george washington the father of my nation and it makes me want to study the constitution you know and follow you know let everybody know i have rights and i'm gonna be a first amendment second amendment you know start doing this stuff then i'm a patriot right but i'm not worshiping um george washington i don't pray in front of the statue the statue is not an idol it's just a statue and the law very clearly says this there's a there's a section in the mammadies um writings that talk about the it's called the avada zara it's about gentile idolatry and it very clearly says that if you walk into a city and they got a big statue of a king and it's labeled you know when they became a nation they fought this big battle and now there are free people and it's perfectly fine it's not a big deal but if they ever start gathering in front of that statue and praying to it you're done you walk out you don't come back jews can't be around idols so that's the concept they go too far and say no if it's a three-dimensional image it's an idol period so the a coin it's stamped right so then the head is actually out of the coin just a little bit it's an idol there you go you can't can't handle coins and you can't go into a city where there's images well i'm sorry i understand your conviction but you're an idiot you know and that's basically what happened and again you might have someone feeling that way which is to us is weird but you ought to be able to figure that out it's not hard remember they um when the sadducees ask jesus about should we pay taxes to caesar he said show me a coin and they gave him a coin and he didn't say oh i can't touch that it's got an idol on it it's a coin he picks it up and says whose image is on this caesar then give it to caesar okay we're done so hyper idolatry everything is an idol everything is pagan and so that's kind of a we have people today inside the church it's called pan babylonianism everything is pagan you can't have a christmas tree for instance because it's pagan and no proof of that necessarily but it's just pagan you know where you can't do this and you can't say these words and you can't celebrate a holiday that kind of stuff now if it's an actual pig and holiday and you're going into a pagan temple and doing a pagan rite that is that is sinful we are not supposed to do that but these guys mix misunderstand what is secular culture and what is idolatry so hyper idolatry the second group is called the circumcision party and even paul mentions the party of the circumcision and it's cryptic kind of because in one sense i could say the party of the circumcision and i'm talking jews the party of the uncircumcision would be gentiles okay and that's cool nobody's mad at anybody it's just a description circumcision and circumcision but the party of the circumcision and that became in acts chapter 15 it became the the uh the sakhari and the zealots getting together saying you have to convert to judaism to become a christian if you're studying judaism and you don't convert we have to kill you i mean it was an extremely hostile thing so the basic idea is to force gentiles who want to study the law to be circumcised or else murder them and this was the zealots and the sakari zealots were people that were kind of above board they want to raise an army and come in and just wipe you out and let everybody know this is what they're doing because they believe in what they're doing the sacari were assassins they would rather have one person not risk killing hundreds of troops but one person to slip in kill the general and slip out that would be better in their mind so um zealots and sakari or assassins but understand this if we understand going back to here um the forced gentile conversion no it is sinful pharisees no it is sinful sadducees yes if you're in israel you have to be noahide law goes along with that no the gentiles follow noah hide law they wait on messiah they do not follow israeli ritual so totally different when you're circumcised it means you have thoroughly converted to judaism and paul actually says that if you um you know like say you're a roman you're uncircumcised pagan roman soldier you're in israel you learn about messiah you understand it you accept him as messiah you become a christian you're saved paul says under no circumstances do you get circumcised because you'd be dead in debt to to obey the law of the jews and that's not what god has for you so the forced conversion of gentiles the party of the circumcision it's the acts 15 group and then the third one is this hyper blasphemy group they basically are described as uh you can't call anyone lord except deity so in other words anything that was um the word adonai has to refer to god you can't refer to it as a person or you can't mix it's the sacred name concept so there are people today that would separate from you or call you a pagan if you use the word jesus they would tell you that the word jesus is je zeus which has got something to do with the god zeus you know things like that and it's just it's funny it's like these guys could learn to read hebrew and greek it would be really nice a lot of the stuff would fall away but anyway you have to you have to worry use words like adonai which is funny because adonai is plural the singular is adon which they would understand but there is a greek god adon adonis so it's it's interesting that why would they say this is pagan when that's not pagan and in reality it's just words but it's it's really interesting to see this so today uh we would say messianics and follow the dead sea scrolls in the new testament would be the ancient jewish practices the ancient beliefs of messiah and our hyper break offs or almost cultic break off and sometimes the divisive ones would be the pan babylonians the party of the circumcision would be not messianics but the hyper hebrew roots groups and the hyper blasphemy groups would be the sacred name people and it's perfectly fine to pray in the name of the lord to pray in the name of jehovah or adonai or whatever he understands all languages but to say that you have to pray with a certain word or god won't hear your prayer that's that's a breakup time if you do that and you let me pray in my way that would probably be acceptable to them but remember they become a heretic when they become divisive so if you like for instance i have a bible study on tuesday nights and i go to a calvary chapel so if my pastor heard that i was teaching one of these things and came in and said that's heresy if you need to study it we can sit down and talk but you can't teach that and call yourself a home group of a calvary chapel cannot do that is that understood and if i said look i'm going to do what i'm going to do well then your ex communicated we are not going to be associated with that we can't it's not what we are and so that's what they were doing the scenes were the ancients and they would not be associated with any of the three and you can see how far that goes so we don't want to be pan-babylonian uh hyper-hebrew roots or say hyper-sacred name which is really interesting it's amazing that this would be written a couple hundred years after the lord or 150 years after jesus time and that we would begin to have the same kind of problems in our day and again with the dead sea scrolls coming back i think this is all pretty much nullified if you actually study them so we'll stop there for today but i just wanted to show you um those things so i'll go to the chat room now and see if we have any questions hey i'm doing good we started at 7 and it's only 806 so i'm not okay troy asks um twice this week i've heard references about deuteronomy 32 world view can you expand or comment on that i don't know a whole lot about it i think it was mainly started with michael heiser and it's it's connected with the concept that uh when the lord divided the earth he divided into 70 nations and if you take that to mean there's 70 separate like angels or principalities or some sort of spiritual beings that rule those places then israel has their own laws and their own governance and other people are under these other spirits um you could take that a couple different ways you could say like well that's why we we don't want to be israeli and they don't you know we shouldn't interfere in their politics or something like that uh or you could take it in the in the way that we are run by demonic entities in our nation whatever nation we're in you know somewhere so it could be uh there could be a lot of different ways of interpreting that and i'm not sure really what he was talking about and how he interprets it may be totally different by someone else a lot of these things get started and kind of get twisted into something other than what the person who named it says so i don't really know that much about it and i know that that's what it's based on and there's probably some merit to that the whole concept that i think the bible or the king james bible says the 70 nations divided by the 70 that came down to the 70 sons of jacob and then the dead sea scrolls said the 70 i think elohim so there's a bit of a confusion on who exactly we're talking about um and even even though who it's like y70 and what are the 70 and what's the point of that but he has the concept of um um i think what what what does he call that the divine counsel and the idea that the same thing that there are angels or principalities that rule certain countries and that's why things are different and we'd have to understand that to be able to possibly even affect change so i think that's probably what they're referring to but how far they're taking it i don't know cheryl says she's happy to be here well i'm happy you guys are here glad that you guys like coming and studying with us just finished reading the book of enoch working on the seder ilam now finding out a lot of holes in my understanding it has a way of doing that to you yeah you read that stuff and it's basically the same but it's like oh that's how that got there so it really helps the seder alarm is pretty interesting it may have some errors in the in the in the dates also it's it's a history book trying to put the dates together and like jasher for instance will simply say it was in this year that this happened done like bite with its own authority the seder alarm is a guy who's trying to say well the scripture says this the rabbis say that but this would have to be here so it's pro you know and they're they're trying to prove or rebuild the timeline uh so it's interesting but it does tell us how um and when this the 160 some years missing in the jewish calendar got taken away so it's really interesting in that respect prescott sent us 20 dollars thank you very very much and then dolores gave us ten dollars thank you very much i totally have forgotten where the nile drying up prophecy is um let's look it up real quick uh it's an isaiah somewhere does that help okay let's let's find it real quick here um where would that be probably the easiest would be i finally got all the pdfs of my books and in the way that it also has the the table of contents at the end so our rapture book and let's see here i know it's in here somewhere let's see here in here somewhere i have tail lord and this is probably not yet okay let me think here ah here we go um let's see here what i did in this chapter the revealing of the antichrist people talk about um how the antichrist could be revealed when he enforces the covenant or maybe he's revealed to everyone when he sits in the temple and the concept is if he's revealed when he sets in the temple then there's probably a mid-trib rapture which means we're still here which means we would be screaming he's the one because we're looking at all the prophecies so no matter how you look at it he would be revealed at the beginning of the seven year period which if he's revealed at the beginning that means there's a pre-trib rapture so it's just kind of interesting and then to go a step further people would say like well if you're confusing i mean if you're wrong and you tell people there's a pre-trib rapture aren't you scared it'll make them lose their salvation if it doesn't happen that way and my answer is well maybe if that was the only prophecy in the bible but there's tons of prophecies and there's at least 10 that happen right there at the beginning so if they see 9 out of the 10 they'll immediately go back to the bible and try to figure out how did we get that one wrong because it's obviously we're on to something if nine out of the ten ideas came to pass so but one of them uh temple being rebuilt let's see here it should be right egypt destroyed okay here it is zechariah 10 11 and then isaiah 19 4 and 5 are the two zechariah 19 is what i was thinking the egyptians i will hand over into the hand of a cruel lord and a fierce king will rule over them says the lord this is probably talking about the antichrist the waters shall fail from the sea and the river shall be wasted and dried up so the nile river ceases to exist at that point so this is a river in egypt it doesn't actually say nile but it leads us to believe that we go back to zechariah 10 oh you guys can't see this too well let me try this here a little bit hey that's better okay just read this one and the egyptians i will give over to the hand of a cruel lord and a fierce king will rule over them says the lord of hosts the waters will fail from the sea and the river will be wasted and dried up that's isaiah 19 4 and 5 and along with that is zechariah 10 11 and he shall pass through the sea with affliction and smite the waves of the sea and all the deeps of the river shall dry up the pride of assyria shall be brought down and the scepter of egypt shall depart away so this is connected with egypt so we've got egypt and the river drying up here and the failing of the sea and the river what raced it and dried up here so two scriptures that talk about that some people try to say that it might be something else or something that's already happened and that's a possibility too it could be a double fulfillment prophecy but that's where we get that at so thanks for asking and anita says oh same one she had okay so 19 5 and then ezekiel 30 12. so it's in there again we're on youtube no i'm just teasing uh yeah it does definitely um and like two or three weeks ago we looked at the [Music] um commentary on nahum which described the sadducees government structure and that was pretty eye-opening too it's a lot like the some of the current things going on oh the sneak the chosen sneak peek uh episode 2 is tonight he said he was going to start putting them out as soon as they were so maybe sometime this well let's see this is monday so sometime this week then maybe we can all see actually see that that'd be cool that is just an amazing type of thing what i was thinking of when jesus and john went in there and they said they're missing so much uh you you could look at a bunch of different ways because number one i look at it immediately it's like yeah they're they're missing the rest of the old testament uh the pharisees rejected the apostles they're missing the new testament we tend to have the same kind of a deal where it's like yeah don't add to our cannon so don't talk about dead sea scrolls well i'm not trying to add to the cannon because they are separate cannons they're not really supposed to be added to but the history of the essenes we really do need to understand it excluding gentiles what percentages of the people were sadducee pharisee and essenes i don't know that we can actually say that but there is a record that there were lots of the scene um people uh synagogues and groups so in other words you could walk into a synagogue that's primarily sadducee and you know that kind of thing much like a church i could walk into a church and if i didn't know you know the symbolisms or could read the signs or whatever i might walk into a catholic church or a baptist church or whatever um but there were supposed to be a lot of them along those lines people get confused because you could be a pharisee like paul was a pharisee he followed the pharisee beliefs doctrines and he could have been in the sanhedrin representing that belief structure but he was a benjamite so he couldn't have been in the temple so you can be a pharisee and not be a priest or you could be a priest and believe like the pharisee priest and that's pretty obvious the same with the sadducees too you could be a sadducee and be of the priestly tribe or a sadducee and be someone else so but people get confused with the zadok priests and the essenes the zadok priests are the ones that are actually supposed to be doing priestly things in the temple they're the real priests the the other groups were usurpers okay but now if i believed the essene doctrine or the zadok doctrine i followed the zadok priests i don't think sadducees and pharisees are legitimate i still wouldn't be able to go in the temple do sacrifices or anything like that i'm not a priest a zadok priest but i am of that belief structure so when we say essenes pharisees and sadducees we're talking about people that believe certain ways and the zadok priests and the non-zadok priests are groups of people you know like higher up government type things so that helps to understand it because people will say well if you were a scene how could you be doing this well they may not have been a priest so just like paul was a pharisee but he was a benjamite regular oh okay diane says the regular schedule for episode two is tomorrow night um i'll have to watch it on the app later because we have our bible study tomorrow night but that's cool i will definitely watch it i watched all of them so far and everybody we've shown them to has just been like oh man this is great oh one of the things i was thinking of though is that with jesus and john talking about them they're missing so much only having the five books uh we do have to be careful about that because uh catholics would take that as saying see they need to have the apocrypha mormons would take it and say see they need to add the other books and things like that so we got to be careful of subgroups doing things so we do not want to add to the canon but we also don't want to make a confuse the canons or ignore what was before moses's canon the history of the the 400 silent years or like even church history afterwards but we wouldn't put church history in the new testament so we do need to understand what is scripture and what is secondary but we also don't want to ignore secondary information i i'm sure there is the question is are there any writings that would help uh women out to be godly wives uh like the specific like specific writings um have a hard time finding things from women for women from that age yeah that's very very hard um the pharisees and sadducees kind of had this at attitude that the women really shouldn't learn to read because if they could read they would probably decide that they deserve rights too and they they had a really weird concept well much like we did some of our people in some of our governments way back when when they wouldn't let women vote which is really interesting if you study the history women could vote obviously they're adults why wouldn't they vote but then that right was taken away then it was put back then it was taken away again for different reasons then the 21st or 23rd amendment i forget uh allowing women to vote was put in the constitution to guarantee it it's really stupid that we have to have a constitutional amendment saying women are people you know it's just weird but i'm glad we have it because it finally settled that stuff but it's it's the funny way of doing things like that so you you can't vote until you're actually an adult for instance and a woman's not an adult until she's married and when she's married she's got to obey her husband so we'll get rid of it that way so then they said no no 18. you're an adult at 18. some country is some some states would actually say you know women can't vote and the guys can't vote until they're an adult and they're not an adult until they actually own property and their fathers won't let them own properly until they come around to thinking like their father's dead so there was a whole lot of weird stuff like that so finally it's like no they're an adult at 18 they can vote it doesn't matter if they are a slave used to be a slave never were a slave if they're a man a woman just leave it alone and then there was the poll tax well okay everybody can vote but it cost you you know a dollar poor people can't vote they wouldn't do it it's like no no it's paid for by the government it's free there is no poll tax period so they keep having to go through this stuff all the time um i don't know my wife might have a better idea of something like that too um yeah i don't know of anything specifically like from one of the ladies that wrote anything in particular that would be a really really good thing to help i would think yeah diane says patriarchs is still her favorite book uh it's got to be mine too to actually see jews 1 to 200 bc saying that's what proper doctrine is and anybody that rejects it is cultic or heretic and that would be pharisees and sadducees and it's just amazing because they come back in ezra's time and jews are jews they just you know they speculate but they're brothers they don't they don't divide and then we go through the 400 silent years you come up to the time of jesus and there's sadducees and pharisees and essenes and all these groups and they're all trying to kill each other it's like what in the world happened so pretty pretty amazing so that tells us that something like that happens with our apostasy maybe not on the same doctrines but something like that the antichrist can't have you say well you might be right but the other guy might be right too well we'll wait and see antichrist can't have that and so we we have to be tolerant in in a sense make sure that people tolerate us and that we tolerate other people and that doesn't mean to compromise according to the bible you're wrong just you know just saying or you were right or whatever chris says he loves the writings of hippolytus yeah there are some amazing things we also put together the end times by the church fathers and that was what irenaeus said hippolytus and then eve from the syrian because they all wrote books i say books they're actually really small so in the one book we had all three of their books but everything that they taught about the ten ten nations the antichrist stuff like that and um pretty interesting it's just their understanding or how they think it would happen and some of it might be right and some of it may not but they had some really interesting comments yeah that's a very good point there will be a tribulation church tribulation believers people that become christians or believers afterwards and they will definitely know who the antichrist is so that's true that's probably why it's written the way it's written the antichrist name is 666 there's there's some 80 prophecies about the antichrist and the seven year tribulation period and that most of that we probably just scratch our heads i have no idea what it means but if we were here we would know what it means it would be pretty obvious so part of that stuff would definitely be written to them so yeah and there's there's enough understanding of all the different things about the pre-trib rapture where do i learn about the benjamites uh depends on what you're talking about there was the war in uh that the benjamites uh did in judges or is it joshua judges or joshua anyway uh if you're talking about the testament of benjamin that's in the patriarchal writings so that's in our oh let's see here there we go uh ancient testaments of the patriarchs is this one here this is our bible facts bookstore um so yeah that's a good way to say it we need to know the bible books that's the mean thing but they're not all that we need to know or that there is to know yeah everything that you need to know for salvation is in the new testament but you would get confused on paul's concepts of hagar and sarah and abraham you know kind of the law being like that if you didn't know who abraham was you know and then there's things talked about that you just need to know other things like for instance have you ever wondered um it talks about in hebrews lot was a righteous man and he was vexed every day because of the wickedness of sodom i would imagine so but where does it say that it doesn't so how does he know if he was really righteous he would have been vexed that's obvious but some of us get complacent with sin and aren't so vexed for it so where did he get that from it's probably from either lot or abraham's testament so there's a lot of things in there like that that it would make a lot more sense is it possible to pursue purchase your books outside of amazon yeah you can go to any bookstore and well like for instance if you go where were we at here there we go so like if you wanted this one click on it here you have down at the bottom somewhere okay here's the isbn so if you take the the title which is yeah okay just there's a 10 and a 13 so you might take both of them but if you take the isbn and then the title it would be by ken johnson and then whatever the title is and then just come down here and get this isbn take that to any bookstore and they should be able to order it so it should be the same price too apocalypse of ezra and gad are my favorite yeah gat is amazing we need to go back and study those sometimes i just want to get all of the little idioms i can from the scrolls then compile them then go back through the the scriptures and those and see what we find i think we'll learn some amazing things okay and i think the last question we got at the moment is i'm curious about the entire lineage and where the people and well where the people and when and what kind of thing okay um yeah the basic history then of all that i'm still trying to put those together we have the basic story of what happened and we have a handful of dates that go along with that stuff we know for sure that ezra came well first cyrus freed the jews in 536 or 537 bc then you've got ezra nehemiah the nehemiah's um decree that started the 400 and the the 490-year prophecy from that to the messiah was 444 bc and according to 11q melchizedek jesus died in 32 a.d which means he was born in 2bc and we've got herod pretty we're pretty well nailed there we've got the seven year civil war between the pharisees and the sadducees from 80 to 90 bc and there's a handful of other things the invasion well the death of alexander the great 323 that's when most of this stuff really starts up the commentary on nahum talks about uh the sadducees beginning to form or had formed by that time and they tried to get demetrius um the fur demetrius what was his other title anyway um was ruling at the time of of um of uh alexander the great so they tried to get him to actually and come in to jerusalem and take over uh so it was interesting that whole concept of trying to take anybody any foreign power no matter how pagan they might be bring them straight into the temple into the into israel so that they can take over and force everybody to do what i want them to and so the people in a position of power would betray the law of moses and kill anybody or do anything just to remain in power allowing foreigners to come in and affect the government either by force or the people rather by force and in our case it could be letting hundreds of millions of people in to vote just so that we can you know continue our power so it's amazing concept taught in the the commentary the dead sea scroll commentary of nahum so but we're yeah we're trying to pull that together we may not get a whole lot but that in itself is a lot more than what i learned in seminary the cemetery we had some no i didn't say that that was a slip but um in seminary you know we tried to study all that stuff i i went to an amazing seminary so that's that was really great uh fun times but um there's just not much to go on until you get their history and so it makes sense if if people's kind of obliterated the history and made it real iffy than the one guys left to say no no here's what happened and when that's what we want to really look at so okay we'll go ahead and stop there it's 8 30 and uh we'll come back thursday with a q a and then another teaching next monday so thank you all for um participating have a good uh rest of the week and we'll see you on thursday god bless [Music]