but uh you know but anyhow when we went back with this stuff and I started doing this stuff and a lot of fundamentalist people became extremely upset with me and uh with what you was going on here and we had people suggesting that we were sacrificing animals here uh people came and spray painted red paint on the front of this building we had to have it sand blasted off and they said these are devils and donu is a Satan and all this kind of stuff and uh you know what was really unfortunate about it is because none of them ever came here and asked you know what what are you talking about and and and what I found so interesting about all of this was what goes on in this place and what has gone on in this place ever since uh we began working at seriously at this is that we have made sure that the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible are obeyed that's all we've done all we've done is look at the teachings of Jesus who said hey seek first the kingdom and look within yourself for it it doesn't come with observation so you have to practice the single eye take no thought and cast your energy to the right side and all of these things that we do making Jesus Lord make us enemies of of the system up there because they say all of these things are evil so I've had such a time in in in all of these years struggling with the fact that what we're doing is exactly in obedience to what the Bible says what we're doing is in in obedience to what Jesus says and yet we are not in obedience to the to the cult ethic of of the system and there's nothing in the Bible that says my salvation depends on believing their interpretation it's that's not it's ridiculous so anyhow we we we've gone on and one thing led us into the other and then we started because we were true to this and we were true to the instructions of Jesus in the Bible we started to unveil different things we started to see things and and and and we started you know the program that goes on TV the half hour program is called hidden meanings and and and now we have the website and that's called hidden meanings and all of this stuff is hidden meanings and then lo and behold uh something happened uh years and years ago most of you remember it I started talking to you about the pineal gland of the brain and I said well the pineal gland of the brain secretes a hormone called melatonin and Mel tone and among other things is a skin lightener and so this documents what Jesus said about if your eye be single your body will fill with light we're able to prove that scientifically and that we were the first I mean nobody else knew or even commented about that and then suddenly as you started leaving the church and driving in your cars and going to the shopping centers you started saying in the front of store Windows come in and get your melatonin melatonin for what what's going on all of a sudden it became the rage to buy this stuff see and so but you said well you know you realize then that we were having some credibility you know uh we were then privy to looking at the Bible and beginning to understand the things we saw great psychological truths in here uh in addition to that uh we found about the the discoveries of the planets the the astronomers who were discovering the eight planets which have just culminated in the discovery of Corona all of these amazing things that we were we were able to do as there was an intelligence writing somewhere and speaking to us now uh even preluding what's going to happen with the Supernova and now what has happened is a gentleman whose book is about to become a bestseller whose book is about to be bought actually has been bought by Warner Brothers to be made into a into a into a movie and it's called the the coded Bible and it talks about hidden meanings in the Bible and Oprah Winfrey is doing a program about it and all these people are all of a sudden the whole the whole world is finding out that what you've known for years that the Bible was indeed written by an intelligent civilization that is 6,000 years ahead of where we're at and that's coded I mean all of all of the amazing things in here I mean now they're finding in this coded part of this book that's been written about Bill Clinton's election and about the Assassin of President rabine by using numerical codes they're finding this you say well you know I don't know if I believe but think about this for a minute let me show you a few things it shouldn't be a surprise for you to understand that the Bible is written in a code what it should be for you now is a great sense of exhilaration to think hey what we've been struggling and understanding for all of these years down in the basement of that place is being documented and confirmed by others all over the it's not not my job to write if I was supposed to write a bestseller or be I don't work for this system now just listen to me carefully and I'm not trying to be patronizing to you I do not work for the system okay if I was to become uh make a lot of money or or get notoriety I would be cut off my connection is not with this group it's with another group and let's Let It Go with that all right I the people that I work with are not these all right just just understand what I'm trying to say and and and so what I have to do is is is is build a group of people and and and that was F I knew what my assignment was but it was very frustrating to me how in the world could I get this message out to the world and yet not get myself out to the world you know without a book you know build on and all this how could possible I didn't I couldn't figure this out and that's why I'm so excited about this website because this website is getting all of this information out and nobody's name is on it nobody's name is on it and and and so now we're able to do this and you know you say well 700 people but it's only been a couple weeks and and and I know it's going to be in the tens of thousands I anticipate I anticipate it'll be in the hundreds of thousands that will see this you know so it's a very exciting time but when I think about the things that you and I have shared together and then I look at this guy who's got a a bestseller about the hidden meanings in the Bible I'm very excited about that because I know it's true if the people who I know wrote this then of course they would have written these things that he's found numerically let me give you an exam let me give you an example what I'm talking about go to page two of the Bible do this with me I know it's a little bible roulette you know but I mean it's not too much of an arrain on you to turn page okay that's all I'm asking you to do is turn pages but if you go to page two of the Bible and you look at Genesis 2 all right and if you look at Genesis 2 and it says in Genesis 2 verse 22 all right it says and the rib which the Lord God had taken from man he made a woman all right now that's that's silly you know that's silly but what is being discussed there is not taking a rib from Adam watch me it's talking about taking an electron can you see this and talking about taking an electron from atom what you're reading there is nuclear fision when you remove an electron from atom you cause a chain reaction of self-replication of creation what you're reading there in that Bible that you have in your hand is a scientific fact that all life began with the split liting of the atom do you see that that's what it's there for you don't take a rib out of a guy and make a lady that's silly you know you don't do that but you do take an electron from atom atom and when you take that electron from atom it starts a chain reaction it starts to duplicate itself it creates itself and you have a a a a replication it's called fishing and that's what the Bible's saying so nuclear fision a splitting of the atom is the source of all life and that's fine and you could deal with that that makes sense but you say you heard it here now the point is this if this guy's got a bestseller saying look it they knew about Bill Clinton they knew about rabine they knew about General Schwarz cor they knew about this war they knew about this but they also knew about splitting the atom say because that's 6,000 years ago that this was written now let me show you something else yes see there so if my cool let me tell you something else if your eye be single your body will fill with light you have a gland in the middle of your brain called the pineal gland the pineal gland uh receives serotonin which is made into melatonin and so forth and so on but the pineal gland opens in the dark it's receptive to light then it opens in the dark and it's one of the master glands in the body and they're finding out from all of the hospitals and medical centers of the Wonders that melatonin does which they're going to find out more but it's the sense of the pineal gland of the brain is the single eye the third eye the seed of the soult go to page 28 of the Bible and look at Genesis chapter 32 in Genesis chapter 32 a guy named Jacob who never lived who never even existed these people didn't exist how do I know these people didn't exist because if these people existed what was seeing in there what right writing all this stuff down no of course not they didn't have any newspapers these guys are running around in the desert and everybody so what did he say Genesis chapter 32 and look at verse 30 I have seen God face to face and I shall call the name of the place pineal that's the pineal gland of the brain where you see God face to face and was written into the Bible by the same people that the fell said he's finding about Bill Clinton and I I wonder if Paul a I mean my name is l i mean who knows you know whose names really okay now let's take a look at this you ready to this here's the tribe of Judah the tribe of Judah is positioned in the east at the point of the rising son okay and they're called the children of light that's what they're called the children of light now let me show you you tell me if an intelligence was writing in this Bible if there's a coded message in this Bible you've just seen two of them you've seen nuclear fion and you've seen the pineal gland take a look at this page 115 look at the book of numbers on page 115 and look at Numbers Chapter 2 and in Numbers Chapter 2 look at verse n and look at the number of people in the camp of Judah you've got 100,000 you know how to write 100,000 like that okay there's 100,000 no problem and you got four score thousand a score is 20 a score is 20 can you can't say Okay a score is 20 so you four score is four time 20 that's 80 okay okay four score and 6,000 there's 6,000 and 400 okay no problem 1864 that's the constant speed of light for the children of light who wrote that see I'm talking about 6,000 years ago 5,000 4,000 years ago somebody knew the speed of light and wrote it in your Bible somebody knew about nuclear fion and wrote it in the Bible somebody knew about the pineal gland of your brain and wrote it in the Bible 5,000 years who wrote it see like Jonie Schultz put a thing in the U on the website um because they're having a a review of this new book about the Bible Code revealed and and she wrote in there from Jon schs thank God that God is getting so much attention lately I wish everyone could read this book and beat their way past those mental blocks that contribute to the skeptic in all of us but not all Bible codes need a computer to figure out though the speed though the speed of light is in the Old Testament as well as detailed description of the human brain check out www.hd meaning.com for an enlightening you know well that's great see but what she said is true you don't need in order to be with these people like this book you have to you have to be a really a scientist in order to how they did this you don't have to be any any nuclear scientist to look at this you just did so what have we seen so far we've seen nuclear fision we've seen the pineal gland of the brain you speed you you've seen the speed of light now here's let me let me show you this one what about your head your brain and everybody's brain is the same I you know within reason but I mean you know your head is basically the same but let me show you let me show you how your brain it look okay okay the outer covering of your brain is called Dura mat which means hard mother in the most inner sensitive place of your brain it's called Pia M which is tender mother pamat is separated from duramat by ack noid which is the web or the veil okay now that that's the way your brain is and that's what you find in stedman's medical dictionary Grace Anatomy everybody has that everybody sitting in this room everybody on television everybody in the world has a brain with duramater the hard outside pamer the tender inside and the two are separated by the veil which is a rock noid now when you look in the Bible it says God dwells in a temple not made with hands take your finger make sure it's this one there you go take your finger all right place it over here come on you know what that's called temp the temple and you know what it's not made with hands oh could it be my head let's see go to page 70 in the Bible and look at the book of Exodus and in page 70 of the Bible on the book of Exodus I want you to look at Exodus chap 26:33 here's a construction of the temple and it says in verse 33 and you shall hang up the veil well we got a veil that you may bring within the Veil The Ark and the veil shall divide you between the holy Place pamer excuse me duramater and the most holy place pamer in other words the temple was made according to a pattern which is a holy Place Duram moer a Most Holy place pamer and a veil between the two which is uh arachnoid the construction of the temple is a duplicate of the construction of the human brain so who knew that who understood that see and it was made according to a pattern so now you have you have the temple made the brain made as a temple you have the pineal gland you have nuclear fision you have splitting the atom you have the speed of light and people are looking for hidden meanings they're all over the place they're all over the place now what about UFO and extraterrestrial now first of all folks be a little respectful about our friends they are not extraterrestrials okay they're just people who live in a different neighborhood they just live a little further away you know but they're people just like you much smarter only because their Aquarius happened thousands of years ago and so they evolved you know they're in you're uh approaching kindergarten and they're getting their Advanced degrees in science at another place okay so don't don't worry about that in fact basically we compared to them we're like Neanderthal but let me show you you know ug is about where you know this is the amazing ug oh we have computer yeah I mean come on you know they had computers millions of years ago these people so I mean you've just found you found a computer 20 years ago yeah do you realize that your your ancestors 70 7,500 years ago were writing with quill pens and had gas I lived in a house I how old I am but I lived in a house this is true well they had a little thing sticking out and and you turned it on and the gas come out and then you lit and either house blew up or the light went on one or the other they had these that's what they had they had gas lamps okay but let me show something let's go to page 319 and on page 319 of the Bible you got we're going to look at 2 Kings chapter 2 2 Kings chapter 2 and in 2 Kings chapter 2 if you look in verse 11 and it came to pass as they there's a guy named Elijah went on and talked behold there appeared a chariot of fire and Horses of fire and parted them both asunder and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven and Elisha saw it and he cried and he cried and he also and did all of this stuff and he watched this guy fly out of sight into space so here's a guy named Elijah who gets in a fiery chariot and takes off and the other guy stand there what is this you know the other guy said this is great I think I'll put it in the Bible you know this would be a great story but how am I going to explain it well I got a fiery Chariot so Elijah goes up but this is the interesting part this guy is what you call an alien you know why because he went up in a fiery Chariot and then in the New Testament Jesus turns around he says uh excuse me fellas see that guy sitting over there that's John the Baptist no that's Elijah if you've got ears listen he's back see so here's a guy that went up in a in a UFO and came back to Earth he's back and it says so in the Bible I didn't make this up and if it's if they don't want me to talk about this stuff in the Bible they shouldn't put it in there but they did and it's what's in the Bible so Elijah went up and here's the interesting point who is this guy because you're meet him eventually you'll meet the same guy okay and you'll say I you know I can tell you all about you you rascal you know I know where you went what I know all about you in the Bible his name is Elijah the tishbite okay Tish yeah tishbite and the word Elijah means stranger and the word tishbite means High Country he's a stranger from The High Country for sure okay okay so there we we've had we've had an experience with nuclear fishion the pineal gland the speed of light the anatomically correct construction of the human brain UFOs and extraterrestrials and people are looking for hidden meanings in the body and and and as Johnny said you don't have to be a comp a computer or a numerologist in order to find them because they're there now this is the place where and this is the point where your friends who are in the fundamentalist movement make a s and of course we just touch the surface now you understand that because now you and I have gone deep into understanding your your brain as a computer and the electrical circuitry of the brain and and the current that flows into the circuit which passes through resistors called chakras and the law of resistance which is oh which then inhibits the current and allows the brain and the circuitry to function as it should only thing that I have told people the only thing that I have taught people here is how to handle yourself how to work the brain that you have in your head how to make it work for you a simple thing doesn't cost you any money don't have to go anywhere don't have to join anything simply to sit in the dark room do an home allow this energy to rise know what you're doing and then once you know what you're doing and you know how to operate it you are trusted with these friends who will then appear to you and a guy I told you I've even told you his name will stand there in front of you and ask you for your credentials and his name is Sahel and you'll meet him and yet so many people have a difficult time with this but what you you know when you think of what is your what your alternative your alternative is to join one of their groups and hope and their whole philosophy is not this Earth it's not it's not the peace it's not the healing it's it's it's their whole philosophy is to think well I'm gonna do this because I want everything to be nice after I die nothing is nice after you die this is what we talked about last week the human mind is energy it is energy Consciousness is energy they've sentenced Timothy Timothy McVey to death but what they're going to do if they do it is they're going to kill his body you can't kill energy and the energy that's inside of that man will then seek another host and it cannot find one because you are all taking these bodies so it'll find a fetus that is not occupied it'll enter into a fetus another mother will give birth to a Timothy and he'll be raised and he'll go to a nice school and do all the wonderful things and he'll be in the military and he'll get all of his credentials but in the basement of his mind there'll be a locked room and he'll be back and another truck or another incident will pull into another place and the same thing will happen again H who's the guy in in Florida that they killed the the the Ted Bundy did we straighten him out did they break him did they Purge him no they killed his body Ted Bundy's mind his energy sought another body it's probably already entered into another body and they'll be in a church somewhere and the minister of the priest over there and we're going to Christen Ted you're calling him Ted but you know what you've done you didn't sentence Ted to death you sentenced more women to death someplace else because Ted will be back because you can't kill that energy and if you can go into quantum physics you can find out that mind and brain are two different things and they're not connected to one another when the computer dies the operator doesn't die with it and if the operator is using the computer for evil purposes when his computer dies he goes and finds another computer and as it says in the Bible According To Jesus when that evil spirit leaves it'll walk through Dry ground but then it'll come back and it'll bring seven more with it and the condition when it comes back is going to be seven times worse than it was so you haven't sentenced T Bundy you haven't sentenced any of these people to death you've sentenced other people to death because you have set these people back into the spirit world to find another body in which they will bring back the same heart I don't know whether it is maybe they had to have work from a doctor maybe they had a mental problem maybe they had a brain Problem whatever it was maybe they had to be broken but nobody bothered they just well give them an needle what punishment is that if we have dogs and cats that we love dearly when they're in pain we give them an needle put them to sleep and everybody wakes up everybody wakes up and when you have something like that that you're not sure of andbody say well I don't know if that's true no I don't know if you don't know but you don't know if it's not either and when you have something as serious as that you better stay and you better hold and you better work with these people and see if you can make a change I don't even care hey if you want if you can break them and if you can break their whole uh philosophy and their whole this this thing how come a call Yung knew this 100 years ago or 75 or 50 years ago call Yung knew this call knew that what can go into the subconscious this evil that can go into the subconscious all it needs Carl Jung said is something to stimulate it and then when it stimulates the door in the basement breaks open and it comes out and you've got it again he knew it but see Carl Yong was not you know the politicians of today who do things not because it's right they do things because it's politically advantageous to do things and that's why we have set and we bring these people Back Time After Time upon us there's always I mean there was the Boston Strangler there was the uh Jack the Ripper these people have always existed and they always come back because we've never understood how to handle the mind and how to deal with things like that and so we just dispatched them back into The Nether world and then someday you'll come back and you'll be working in a in in a building in in another life and a guy will pull up with a ride or truck and somebody say hey Tim suddenly it happens you can't chase evil away you've got to destroy it and you can't destroy it by eliminating a part of it anyhow so when we start to understand these things when we start to look at a Bible do what it say if you want to use it do what it says or throw it away and I said say this to the fundamentalist Christian if you want to use it understand it and if you want to take it literally understand that you're violating it go to page 502 and Page 502 The Book of Psalms and God whatever you want to call it it's it it makes it very clear what these words are it says in in in page in Psalm 78 verse2 I will open my mouth in a parable I will utter dark sayings of old which we have heard and known and our fathers have told us this is the Book of Psalms this is written 4,000 years ago and I will open my mouth and a I will utter dark sayings of old which our fathers have told us and this is written 4,000 years ago dark sayings you know what dark sayings are hidden meanings you know what this our program is called hidden meanings you know what they're discussing all over the world Now hidden meanings but what's the big surprise it says in the Bible doesn't it go to page 541 and in page 541 you look in the Book of Proverbs and in the Book of Proverbs in Proverbs chapter one and verse six well in verse two it says to know wisdom and then in verse six it says to understand a proverb the interpretation the words of the wise and they dark sayings hidden meanings hidden meanings what about the Old Testament that you've read about a guy taking two of every animal in a boat with no windows in it and sailing for 40 days with elephants going to the bathroom and that's fine no air conditioner who's cleaning this thing up no oh no I believe that that sounds all right to me glory to God or two people two nudist in a garden and they don't have any pants on and so they're told they don't have any pants on by a talking snake got to send Gerard to Sunday school I don't want my son to miss Sunday school what you send it to a lunatic asylum these people are crazy talking do you know that snakes don't talk do you know that you can't take two of every kind of animal going to the bathroom in a boat with no windows in it for 40 days you can't do that does that make any sense to you you can't do that that's nothing that's nothing oh wait a minute but let's get this one you ready for this one I take everything I believe everything is the word of God at this one here's a guy swimming in the ocean and a fish wallers him and he lives in the fishes intestines for three days what's he doing in there the fish pukes out comes an evangelist and he's got seaweed and stuck in his teeth and he says repent what but this is your this is the foundation of your culture you wonder why the kids are taking drugs what what why not look what their parents are teaching them you know God Almighty Now understand when you talk about the Old Testament look at page 953 and on page 953 you want to get that mic ready you take the mic and uh and Page 953 you bring it out to Joon now and you get the Galatians chapter 4 the Apostle Paul talks about the Old Testament and in verse 24 he makes it very clear he says which things are an allegory do you know what an allegory is an allegory is a story that looks like a real story but it's not it has all hidden meanings in it it's telling you secrets about things it's like myth it's like it's an allegory and it says right there see which things are an allegory and let's uh let's wrap it up with with this last one look at page 944 and in page 944 in the book of 2 Corinthians in 2 Corinthians chapter 3 look at verse 6 who has made his able Ministers of the New Testament not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills do you know how you know the letter kills let me give you three names that you should know Jim Jones David Kesh Marshall Applewhite not one of them was a new age guy not one of them was teaching Eastern philosophies Jim Jones was an evangelist David caress was a Bible teacher in the Book of Revelation and Marshall APPA was a minister all three of them were born again Christians completely whacked out and because they were taking this stuff literally and that's the problem where in a lot of churches they're teaching this stuff literally in violation of the Bible precepts they're teaching this stuff literally and and sending demented people off to to to try to to try to duplicate these things David Kesh was trying to get through the six seal and talking about fire coming down and I had a person last night in New York asked that question first of all the person said what about baptism well baptism and fire go hand in hand okay and this is where Kesh made such a terrible mistake and the whole place was went off in fire because as most you know Christians are taught Armageddon fire is going to come down on the earth and that's not what it means means will you please understand something the New Testament where all this stuff is written is Greek the whole thing is Greek even Jesus the Jewish Messiah is Greek he's a Greek name what's a Jewish guy running around Palestine with a Greek name for when he's got Jewish parents I mean you know nobody questions it it's Greek it's myth in Greek there are five stages of Consciousness the first stage is Earth the second stage is water the third stage is air the fourth stage is fire and the fifth stage is the renewed mind okay when you have baptism baptism does not mean that you take your real head into real water the only thing that happens when you put your real head in real water is your head gets wet does you have do you think is there a god somewhere that has a fetish about people with wet heads oh that turns me on when need gets her head W oh she saved well what is so stupid this you this guy gets turned on by people with wet heads come on but what is he really talking about when you take your head which is the earth into the second stage of Consciousness by meditation you have arrived at water when you've reduced your brain Cycles down from 30 which is beta down between 14 and 30 which is Alpha you're going into water then you rise out of the water up into the air you separate from the thoughts of of the mind and you start reducing your brain Cycles down to the area of theta which is between 8 and 14 and then you rise from air into fire where you go into anywhere between four and eight so Delta is fire where that is the baptism of fire that's the baptism of Holy Spirit is Delta are you ready shall we do it again you go into meditation Delta is ready when you are I I don't think you got that what's matter with you people Delta is right with you I thought that was clever as could be I but that's what this is about that's what that's what baptism is now what is what is fire coming down on the earth look at it it's the fourth stage of Consciousness when you're meditation takes you up to that point of say between four and eight Cycles uh in your brain waves you get to the point of fire the fire then opens up wisdom to you which crushes down on all of the hurt all of the guilt all of of fear and all of the things so going in to you know Armageddon is the fire which comes down from the fourth stage of Consciousness to hurt all the things that have been hurting you that's what it is it is not some God up there saying W I think I I love these people so much I'm going to start a nuclear Holocaust and we'll R it down on the earth what what what is this but you know people write books in the late great planet Earth that's exactly what they write but they don't understand the Greek and they don't understand Greek myth that they're talking about the fourth stage of Consciousness in the same way baptism is simply taking yourself into the water which is the second stage and then moving upward into the air and Into the Fire and that's what baptism so we understand the symbols of these things and and and then we're we're we're brought to the point where we can understand the rest of so all these things point us to a document that is a coded message put together by an advanced civilization who knew of things that only someone who was 6,000 th years Advanced would have known nobody could have written this in the Egyptian desert 4,000 years ago unless they knew the speed of light unless they knew of nuclear fision unless they knew of the anatomical construction of the human brain I'll tell you something else the Egyptians never laid a hand on the pyramids okay no egyptian in the world ever built a pyramid these things were 10,000 years before there ever was even such a thing as Egyptians these are anatom anatomically correct uh structures that are Precision built in line with the constellation Orion which is simply a demonstration the king's chamber is the phalus of your brain the Queen's chamber is the hypothalamus of your brain and when you Orient yourself in in in um in meditation you Orient you align that with Orion to open up the angle of Light which you in religion calls angels of Light which gives you then understanding okay well we're going to do now is we're going to open up the we're going to turn the lights on and we're going to open up to any comments any thoughts that you have please when uh the the microphone comes to you you don't have to do anything John the microphone will be controlled from there all you've got to do is bring it to the person when the microphone comes to you look into the camera and just give your first name and when you give your first name uh and then you know it doesn't have to be a question it can be a question it doesn't have to be and um but you might just want to make a comment and so now stand up can you get her make sure you get everybody in the picture because I want everybody to see would you look over the camera just give your first name my name is Penny okay and I am questioning when an evil energy dies why isn't there healing of that energy in and maybe this is my old Catholic background why you know doesn't something happen of an enlightened nature and number two if there is someone who is evil in your life who is intent on doing harm to you how do you handle that okay well the the the first part of the question is um you're really looking for an intervention on behalf from a Divine source to uh do something with this evil healing Timothy mcy I understand that uh I understand healing Timothy McVey healing Ted Bundy and and so forth the problem that we have here and and I think we've we've learned this pretty much from our experiences on this Earth is that healing is basically a job of those who you live with uh doctors heal dentists heal science heals and so forth that healing is done in in a way based on the evolution of our minds into science nowadays we're able to do pretty good with a lot of diseases that people died from years ago the people who were not healed uh 100 years ago are healed now because we've evolved to the point where we can do that um the question of God or creation or science simply allows us to evolve to a point where we learn how to do these healings and we learn how to make people well in the in in the in the case of a of a McVey or a case of a Ted Bundy or something like that the healing in the same way has to come from us it has to come from those who are enlightened and the person has to be I I I totally believe the person has to be broken the person we have to spend time with a person like that we have to spend time to find out what is the evil where is it why did this thing happen U maybe maybe it's a defective brain maybe there's a defective brain organ or something that a doctor could find uh or an MRI might be able to find something defective if not defective it is up to us then to start to apply what this book and what the what the chrisnic and the Buddhists have told us we must do in order to heal we cannot any longer expect a God or a universe to heal these types of things because let's let me let me let me tell you something let's think about this because it's an excellent it's an excellent question why did he do that why did McVey do that well as far as we know he became outraged over what the government did to the children in David kesh's commune Kesh was a lunatic fundamentalist who had people in this community and he was doing all evil things because he was taught this stuff literally by a religious organization one evil there then you have the government who's blasting in through the side doors and killing men women and children with all of this kind of stuff obviously not doing this so there's all kinds of evils that were created so you cannot say let me heal Timothy without healing first The KES thing and what caus that to happen and the government thing that would cause that to happen so it's it's it gets to be a very complex thing of a universal need to to change the whole mindset and that's what I believe is happening in in this in this age that we're living in but it's not that easy it's not anything that occurs as religion has taught us you know reach up and God will heal you no the only thing like God teaches uh in the Bible is I'm not g to give you a fish I'm G to teach you how to fish I'm not GNA say hey look here I'm gonna give you something need I'm G to show you how to find something to eat because we have this is exactly what we've done in religion we've said to people say these words and you'll get saved but Jesus says no I don't want you doing that I want you not to receive salvation I want you to receive compassion see so I think the question is very very good and it's something we have to discuss more and more and more and think about more and more and more because it raises a lot of complex issues if it was just Timothy McVey or if it was just Ted Bundy you could say yes heal it but you're not healing it by healing Timothy McVey or Ted Bundy because they got it from someplace else so you got to track back the source and it's the system it's the society it's the religions that got into the minds of these people that caused this thing to grow very interesting thing I would suggest there's a little paperback book I can't remember the name of it written by Carl Jong and he talks about the mind and just how Society implants ideas into the head of a child and this child then these ideas go deep into the subconscious and they grow with this child and then something is triggered so you have to go right back to the training to the family it's it's we're we're finally waking up to these things but it's not just easy where you can you can heal somebody from this because you can't it it'll just go to somebody else what else but it's good that's something we ought to continue thinking about and working with anybody else yes just give if you would stand up for just a moment and if you'd give your name your first name my name is luring l o r i n g yes sir my question is what what is the goal of this group no okay very good question and the first goal of the group is to get rid of all goals that is the goal and I'm not being factious about it is to get rid of all goals is to allow each person each individual to arrive at this point where God would have them on their own time schedule on their old time frame but if you want to take basically what my overall goal would be for the entire thing is to get people to be able to understand their relationship with nature their relationship with their own body their relationship with the communities of of of the earth and the universe and start to build people who will be able to go out and help people heal help the societies heal help the systems heal stop the bombing stop the rapings stop the degrading of women stop the separation of people to bring people to a point where they can start to think one of the Prime goals that I had when I set this up was first of all stay away from any kind of organization where people could say it was a cult so we don't have any members to allow each person the luxury of being able to say I'm where I'm at and I'm right where I should be not where Bill is or where somebody else may be I'm right where I should be that's a wonderful thing that's a great goal allowing each person to individuate once again if I could go back to Carl Young and Carl Young talked about one of the real disasters in the world is the lack of individuation everybody is trying to be like the group and then you go into into like and I'm sorry but you go into Christian circles and some well he's a baby Christian what does that mean I mean he's not up like the group has or are you doing this or are you doing that because the group does it each individual is so special and each individual has a place to reach within themselves that is cut out exactly on their own time schedule so my goal let me answer this my goal is to give each individual the freedom to find themselves and their place with God on their own timetable and on God's timetable with them without the interference of any groups or organizations or Cults of any kind individuation I guess would be the prime goal but I would hope that each person here has no goal that each person will just react to the circumstances and build on them and learn through the teachings as just just what they can do to respond to needs and respond to healings and so forth and so on based on how they feel within themselves okay Bill how about the aspect of meditation too in bringing that person into a Oneness well you know the when you talk about meditation and with lauring says what is the goal the goal is another goal is to get people to understand that they have a mind that is neglected you take care of your foot if it hurts you take care of your teeth if they hurt you go to a doctor if you can't see uh you go to a barber to get your hair cut and you leave your mind Vegeta there's nobody what do I do with it and the key to the whole thing that's taught by Krishna Buddha Jesus is that the Mind responds to meditation and the mind has to be allowed to cool down through the resistance of M so that it can function and can receive that which is instructions from higher domains as well as lower so we've neglected the mind so that would be another good goal is that to get people into meditation to start paying attention to themselves and to start you know making sure that within themselves they begin to grow and and and and mature but mainly I'm looking for each one and I have a secret goal I want each one of you and before I leave here and and go where I have to go I want each one of you to meet Sam sahell he's a tough guy but he's a nice guy but he's a tough guy and that's what his job is and he'll look right at you and he what the heck are you doing here what do you know what's it look like symbol what's the number what's the word you know what Zio means what's it mean cry thank you that's my that that is that that's that's such a treasure and you know what hurts me more than anything it's so many people who have come here who don't anymore and who going to miss it who're going to miss it and now when you read all of these things and I and I say to Jones sometime if they'll only read in the paper what the scientists are finding you know who's all excited about the second coming now scientists they don't call us a second coming but they know something's happening and they're all excited about it and they're seeing it the Jeffrey Marcy's of the world the Paul Butlers of the world and the deia quilit from um Switzerland who found these they're all excited about what's going on what they're finding and now they found the n and now the this great Supernova that's coming down in the earth and so many people who at one time started here I guess it's because this place doesn't say there's a God who's going to do everything for you says the god that's here wants you to learn do it for yourself become one and really straighten this place out wonderful things are happening I I don't know I don't know what more you could have with the discovering the discoveries that are being made in science the discoveries that are being made in astronomy and and and the Magnificent things that you're saying about you know the Bible and all this stuff coming out everything that we've said and you know it's another thing too once see people that come here everything that you've seen in this place not one thing contradicts the Bible not one thing contradicts the word of Jesus everything that we've done in here supports the word and obeys the word and everything that we've done in here everything that's been said in here is scientifically documented and every shred of it you've received documentation in writing and the documentation is not from any new age books the documentation is from the most prestigious medical and scientific and and educational journals in the world and your testimonies did I come from Sister D dad who had her toe healed your documentation that you have in your possession comes from montor Medical Center the medical centers at Seville the medical centers at Andre Ulus and Greece all that talking about the pine gland and meditation and how it it heals and how it works with different diseases every bit of it I don't I can't do any more than that I cannot do any more than that I have given you scientific proof and people who have chosen not to come have just chosen to turn against themselves but that's not my problem that's not my business and you know there are there are people who are not ready for that first lift off and they won't be here that's okay and Jesus talks about that one will be taken the other will be left but he doesn't mean you're going to be left and you're going to go to hell just means you're not ready for the first sh first shift it's okay there'll be others they'll come along everybody will get it sooner or later but I mean I don't know how much more you can do than document everything and make it so simple as to how to reach it is there anything else that we anybody else yeah I have one you have you already had one you can't have you were supposed to you were supposed to cover this some time ago like when um somebody feels that they're doing everything right and they fall upon tough times and then they Wonder like okay falling back maybe to their born again Christian days like uh what am I doing wrong now that this is occurring to me and and they put it into um you know like themselves that there's something wrong with themselves basically that all comes from training and um it's it's let me show you the word and and religion thrives on this because it's necessary and this is the word Gilt and without that word you don't need these religious institutions can't survive without that and and and this word is the most destructive thing in the world as far as people's minds are concerned um when an individual has been set upon by bad times if you sit down and go through there's a a psychological test that I took once with a a fellow who teaches at our uh job and it's it's called the why question and you every question you ask why and you'll always bring it back to a center the origin of the things that hurt people H and you'll always find that initially something was implanted into you from someplace else someplace else and then you look back to that person and you don't want to put that person on a guilt but you'll find something was implanted into them from someplace else bad things do not happen to people because you draw them that's silly it is just absolute silliness people don't attract things to themselves like that this is a you live look if if let's say you're perfectly pure and you're wholesome and you do everything right and you have a Bible and the word of God and you go to church and all of these things are wonderful but you live you just happen to live on the Shooting Gallery at Fort Dex now you're a wonderful person and you're surrounding yourself with peace and Tranquility but every time you come out of your house bullets are whizzing past your head you're not shooting them other people are but you better Dodge them and you better not stay at there too long because they'll hurt you see you're not drawing anything you're just an advanced evolutionized person in the middle of an archaic neanderthalic middle-age mess you're healed fine but you're surrounded by thousands millions who are not and you're going to get hurt by that so what what do you do you have to stay within yourself as much as you can you have to rid yourself of all feelings of guilt for any of this stuff and realize first of all you live in a society you live in a system you are put down with religions which are loaded with all of the horrors that anybody could think of and they've all become part of of of your makeup and my makeup we've lived through that I've told you about my life and I'm sure your lives are just as crazy as mine were as a child I didn't ask for all that I didn't want to was a little child see knives flying and people blood and banisters breaking and cops fighting with people in the living room and dragging people I didn't want to see that but I did and it had an impression on me see and all of this evil around me and so now we get to a point where we realize you know I get I I I get I still get these things when you know you create your your beliefs create your own reality let me tell you something I'll say this again if you're going onto a picnic and you're driving your car and you believe you're going to have a wonderful day and I'm claiming this day and I'm claiming that I'm going to have a nice picnic and I'm going to enjoy the family but there's a guy coming down the other Street who believes he can make that red light his belief is going to create a hell of a reality for you that is not going to be ni so your beliefs are not created your belie your reality can be created by somebody else's beliefs if this guy you're going down the street and there's a guy across the street thinks he can grab your pocket book and get away with it his beliefs are going to create a reality for you so you you are subjected to the chaos that goes on around us and what is the answer to this I guess what luring and some of them be talking about we are awaiting now the pineal the single eye of God the Supernova to engulf the world and at this point is where a tremendous change in consciousnesses a tremendous falling away from the systems and the groups of the World and a tremendous illumination of all of this guilt you're finding it see but you still got to live amongst those who haven't and so then when bad things happen you think I'm drawing this to me you're just surrounded by it you know how Buddha put it and I will conclude with this Buddhist a lot of people get into meditation and you start thinking about why are these things happening this is terrible I'm doing all this meditation and things are worse you know what Buddha said no things aren't worse you've just regained your sense of smell before you were living in the Cesspool and you never even realized it everything was normal the crap was all over the place and you felt well it's the way it is now you're getting purged and you're regaining your sense of smell and all of a sudden you're finding all around you is a septic tank and you're living right in the middle of it and so Waring said what is the goal I guess maybe we could set this then as a goal to first of all free one another here from from this lingering feelings of guilt and this feelings of being magnets for all stuff and just realize if we could that it wasn't us who created the environment that has all of the all of the violence against the peoples the the subjugation of of the downtrodden the look I mean just look at yourself you you everybody's I'm sorry going but everybody's got a nice you all dressed nice you all look like you had something to eat just go a few miles on this earth into a place and you see these little kids and they're living under cardboards and they're filthy and they're flies crawling up what kind of evil is that that's the evil what did they draw on them what did they do what did a little cat who gets you know abused by what did that cat do to draw this did the cat do something evil to draw this evil h of course not the children who are abused the women who are degraded what did they do to draw this on to them nothing it is there so you're not guilty and that's the first thing you got under understand is that the Jesus the Christ the Christian lives inside of you and you find that and you dwell in that and you are on the Eve you have gone through the nine planets you are awaiting the pineal of God to consume the Earth and SEL knows each one of you by your name you're in good shape but as I've said you've waited four million years for this time and now you do get a little antsy when something doesn't happen in two weeks and I understand that but be with it all things now are really going to come to pass in a beautiful way what's the biggest book right now that's being sold all over the country all over the world being talked about on every television station hidden meetings in the Bible how come