All right, here we go. Today we have Dr. Stephen Greer and a follow-up to his explosive interview that he did on Vlad TV a few months ago. Welcome back. Thank you.
Good to be with you. Well, your last interview did huge numbers and caused a lot of controversy in the Vlad TV community. And what was interesting is that the timing of it came out right when the Congress UFO meeting happened.
in July. So based on what you saw in that congressional meeting, what did you think overall? Well, it wasn't really a proper hearing because they haven't been authorized to get subpoena power, but it was just, you know, that committee, the oversight committee in the house putting their toes in the water.
Now, remember they had two pilots who were there, who, who, one of whom I debriefed, uh, Mr. Fravor, uh, and then, uh, a person that I provided information to when he was undercover named Mr. Grush. But Mr. Grush is not a principal firsthand witness. He was recounting information from people such as the, we have 755 firsthand witnesses and whistleblowers in the Disclosure Project community. So that's what that was.
So it was a very initial process. There may be another one. But in terms of getting to the bottom of this, you're going to have to have hearings that have subpoena power, which unfortunately, very recently, I think in the last two weeks, the Speaker of the House or I guess former Speaker of the House shot down the request that six Congress people asked for subpoena authorization, which has to be approved by the Speaker. So and the reason that's important, if you don't have subpoena power. The most high-value whistleblowers on all this aren't going to come step forward.
They're going to have to be compelled through a legal subpoena. So that's one thing just to keep in mind. So it was a very initial and, of course, I've been meeting with a number of the people in that committee or people I've been briefing, and they had asked me what questions to ask. But I think that the bigger issue is to get to the bottom of something this complex is going to take a much more thorough and long-term investigation by the U.S. government. Remember, there are two governments.
There's the government that you all know about from your civics lesson, and there's an illegal secret government operating. And this is why people like the chairs and co-chairs of the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committee keep asking for information because they don't have it. So the process we're in now is providing...
through a classified project, the information and the whistleblowers that they want to hear from. But in terms of a public hearing or something that would actually be more on the record and not in a classified, what's called SCIF, a secure compartment information facility, that's still to be determined. That's still something we're working on to get set up. Okay.
So give me an example of a subpoena that you would like to see that didn't happen last time. Well, there are specific people that should be subpoenaed. For example, in our disclosure project, whistleblower community, over 750 people. One good example is a man who for 10 years worked in a very secret office in the Pentagon dealing with this issue.
And this was in the early 2000s. And he was read into or briefed on 18 of these very sensitive projects, including... Having gone to a facility out near Fort Sill, Lawton, Oklahoma, where there was an extraterrestrial vehicle that had been obtained, downed, and that they were studying, and another facility outside Seoul, South Korea, that has a very large extraterrestrial vehicle that's in storage, and a lot of the technologies that were being studied, he knows where these bases are. He knows the compartmented code names, all of that. But this is someone who has been so intimidated in terms of coming forward that he's going to have to be compelled through a subpoena and be protected under federal martial witness protection.
So we have dozens and dozens of people like that. And in order for them actually to get what they're asking for, if you hear the members of the Senate and Congress talk about what they're wanting to get, which are information on the actual craft. the bodies of extraterrestrial beings that we have, the technologies that have been reverse engineered, meaning we've studied these craft since the 40s. And now we have man-made craft that go up and around. By the way, most of the UFO, UAP sightings people have are not extraterrestrial.
They're mostly ours, but people don't know it. For example, so all of that, we know where these are. I have a map blacklist site of black sites.
It has 147 black sites on them now. And we're handing that over to the Congress and to the White House. We know where they are because we have people who've worked in the facilities who have given us information, in some cases documents, about what's going on there, what's stored there, what research and development is happening at specific locations.
So all of this is to say that there's an enormous amount of data and information we have, but you need a mechanism legally to bring it out because, number one, as Mr. Grush rightly pointed out, People have been killed trying to get this information out. And then number two, these people are very afraid for the consequences of doing it without some type of subpoena where they're compelled to. In other words, where, okay, they don't have a choice. Now, the Disclosure Project has about 70 top secret guys who've already come forward.
If you go to my YouTube channel, you'll see their testimony. And it's everything people were wondering, you know, where are these people? or they're on my YouTube channel.
But those are people who are not currently in the system or were not in a very long-term situation, except for a couple of them. We have one witness who's recently passed away who was on a retrieval team where he handled the extraterrestrial bodies or if there were living ones as well. And that's on our YouTube channel, Sergeant Stone. So we have these, but we have many, many more. And so for this to actually be done officially under oath is going to require a mechanism that they haven't yet completed.
And I don't know if they will. I'm a little concerned. The Senate majority leader and others have put together a bill that would make all this go to an external panel. And the external panel would be a bunch of alleged experts.
And normally, if you look at the history of the subject, the Robertson panel in 1953, the Condon Committee of 1969, every time something like that is set up, it's actually infiltrated by corrupt interests that want to keep this secret. And they come up with a predetermined conclusion, which is more the cover up. So I don't think that panel is going to cut it.
I think the only thing that's going to cut it is. Either we, the Disclosure Project, and we're in the process of setting this up, initiate a civilian lawsuit under RICO against these corporations and individuals, racketeering an influenced corrupt organization, and sue them in court. And if that gets admitted into federal court, so we just had a meeting with my legal team to pursue that in the event that the Congress drops the ball on this. Okay. And, you know, in this meeting— They're referring to these things as UAP, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, which is different than what we grew up hearing, which is UFO.
Why the shift from UFO to UAP? They just make up a new obfuscating fake name periodically. So let me tell you how this works.
This is all psychological warfare, you know, propaganda. They're not, they weren't unidentified flying objects either. because they don't fly with any aerodynamic sense of the word.
We'll talk about how they move. There's no aerodynamics to them whatsoever. As far as an unexplained aerial phenomenon, it's not just aerial, because they've been tracked underwater and out in space, and also they're not a phenomenon.
Ball lightning is a phenomenon. These are structured spacecraft, et cetera. But they keep coming up with terms that actually or gaslighting. It's sort of like how words, people talk about how words can be used to actually divert people from the truth by using cleverly composed words. In reality, let's just cut to the chase.
A UAP UFO, there are two types, at least, extraterrestrial vehicles and man-made ones. Of the two, the bigger secret are the ones that... My uncle worked for Northrop Grumman his whole career, are the ones that Raytheon and Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Skunk Works have. And those are amazing aircraft that don't have jets, rockets, propellers.
nuclear power on them. They're using energy from what's called the quantum vacuum or zero point, which we can talk about. We just released a whole film about this called The Lost Century, which I'm sure you've seen.
It's called The Lost Century and How to Reclaim It. But those aircraft have been operational since the mid-50s, so between 1940s and 1954, October. Huge research and development was going forward at my uncle's company and others based on the retrieval of some early extraterrestrial vehicles. And they figured out, they cracked the code, as it were, to gravity control, electromagnetic gravitics, back in October 1954. Now, we know this date because a member of my team had been the top scientist at the Naval Research Labs.
who, of course, that lab is the largest Department of Defense lab. It was started by Thomas Edison. And he was in the vault, classified vault, where he saw the document stating that. So many of these objects people see are, in fact, ours.
And they're being used in illegal and clandestine operations. And the very existence of them is not known by the president and the key people in Congress. Okay, so let's talk about this congressional meeting and some of the takeaways.
So one of the things that David Grush claimed is the government is absolutely in possession of UAPs. Yes. He said he's absolutely certain of this. Oh, yes.
And he cites interviews he has conducted with 40 different witnesses over a four-year period. He said that he led Defense Department efforts to analyze reported UAP sightings and was informed of a multi-decade. Pentagon program that endeavored to collect and reconstruct crashed UAPs.
When Representative Moskowitz asked him about this in terms of how it was funded, he claims that it was an effort above congressional oversight and bankroll by misappropriation of funds. Correct. That's how it all happened. And Moskowitz asked him, does this mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program, but it doesn't and it goes to something else? He said, yes.
I have specific knowledge of that. Yep. Yes.
I do too. I mean, of course. Okay.
Now remember. A lot of what Grush found was in part based on what we had been providing his superiors. So I've been working with, for example, the lead investigators who managed the black budget and the agencies, the three-letter agencies for armed services and intel for quite some time.
And so based on that information, he was able to confirm, in fact, that's true. So. I think the audience needs to understand there's a legal black budget. In other words, very few people are read into it in Congress and very few people at the presidential intelligence level would know. And those were legal.
I'm talking about projects like he was referring to that is basically a misappropriation and often embezzlement of funds from the budget that go into unsanctioned and unapproved programs. So that's let's call that the illegal black budget. And the illegal black budget is the big one because that's how you're building these man-made UAPs. And, you know, if you look at it, you know, it's a very simple, I'll give people an analogy and bring this down to earth.
Let's say that the government, we the people are being billed $2 billion a copy for the B-2 stealth bomber. In reality, it probably costs around $150 million a copy. The other $1.8 or so billion goes through the back door. onto unsanctioned and unapproved projects.
And so we have done a very careful analysis of this. And there are many departments and agencies in the government that have, in fact, had money, is frankly embezzlement, without the knowledge and approval of the Congress or the White House to go into these illegal projects. So one of the big problems that the Congress has not quite got its mind around. is that all these operations dealing with UAPs have been run unconstitutionally and illegally since about 1957 to 1960. Okay, so let's talk about the next topic that got covered over there.
And that's that non-human biologics were found at a crash site. So basically what Grouch said that he knows of multiple colleagues who were injured by UAPs. He also said that...
he had interviewed individuals who had recovered non-human biologics from crashed UAPs. He refers to the term non-human rather than alien or extraterrestrial. Now, when he was asked by Representative... Burleson, to substantiate the crash UA peep claim, the former intelligent official said he could not divulge the specific details.
He said it was too sensitive to share with the public. He did, however, say, describe the nature of what he saw. He said, I have to be very careful here. But what I personally witnessed myself and my wife was very disturbing.
A Pentagon spokesperson spoke to NBC about this, and he claims that all of Grush's claims are false. Nope, they're not false. All those who are substantial.
The only part that he has. not gotten correct is that he doesn't understand that there are a number of humans that have been injured by UAPs, but they're not the extraterrestrial ones, they're the human ones. And this is the big scandal that's being swept under the cover.
So there are people out there who are actively misinforming people like Grush, who was not read into these projects directly. I, for example, just came back from two black sites out west. And these two black sites were where we have illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons that have targeted ET craft, but also have, incidentally, if someone flies into that area in a private aircraft, are killed.
We also are, that's a big legal case we may be pursuing. The other big problem is that these man-made UAPs have been... used to stage false alien injuries.
And so when you hear about a lot of those, that's sort of a psychological warfare program that started probably in the late 50s, early 60s, where they used man-made objects that look like, to anyone who's not educated on the matter, would look like an alien spacecraft to simulate alien events. And so This is a false flag type operation. We have a 1953 document signed by the director of the CIA that talks about, and I'm quoting, the psychological warfare value of the UFO subject.
And then there's another document from 1985 from the CIA that talks about how they were using man-made UAPs and think creatures that look like aliens. to abduct and kill people in brazil and argentina now the renowned astrophysicist jacques valet has that document but has been intimidated not to release it but he has admitted he has it so this is a very dark pool to dive into what you're bringing up right here but you know people who were never first hand in the projects like mr grush they don't know which of these accounts are actually of extraterrestrial origin and which are man-made because the stagecraft to use a term that exists in a document of staging these are is so good that someone new to the subject can be easily deceived and deception is the name of the game with the whole uap cover-up okay so another thing that was mentioned during this meeting was a ufo that was spotted accelerating at supersonic speeds so uh David Fraver, a former Navy commander, said that he and three other military pilots spotted a white tic-tac-shaped object in 2004 hovering just below their jets in the Pacific Ocean. As he descended to inspect the sighting, he claimed that the identified aircraft, which he said bore no visible rotors, wings, or exhaust, began to ascend and approach his fighter jet.
He then said that it vanished, only to reappear a few seconds later 60 miles away. Right. You know, he told the committee that... technology that he and his team encountered defies any kind of logical explanation.
He said, the technology that we face is far superior to anything that we had, and there's nothing that we could do about it. Nothing. Well, but that's not true because he, you know, as a jet pilot is not going to be read into the state-of-the-art technology at the Lockheed Skunk Works or at Raytheon. So I've spoken to Mr. Fravor and he certainly is accurate in what he described. There are sensors and...
videotape of the object but that white tic-tac object was actually first recorded in 1967 over pennsylvania and we have a new top secret witness that saw it being off loaded off of a c-130 transport vehicle uh during the first gulf war in an area near the azores and that is a man-made one that is most likely out of the lockheed skunk works so unfortunately you A lot of these objects that people are encountering, which are very dangerous in how they move, are actually human. their construction now that is a much much bigger secret than the fact that their extraterrestrial vehicles out there Because if that were to be acknowledged the very first thing anyone with any sense is going to ask is how are How are we building these when that gets ants? It'll get answered and when it gets answered.
It's the end of oil gas coal nuclear power public utilities and surface roads why Because the technology, this is why we put out this film, The Lost Century and How to Reclaim It. There's a century of technologies that have been sequestered. And the damage that we're seeing to the biosphere and the world poverty that has accelerated over the last hundred years is in large part because these sort of amazing sciences and technologies have been kept secret.
And ruthlessly so. I mean, I personally know people who have been murdered trying to bring some of these technologies. technologies out that would take us off oil and i'm not talking a fake tesla car i mean the ones that you buy now a real tesla would never have to be plugged into a coal-fired power grid a real tesla would be pulling energy out of the fabric of the space around it where there's an embedded level of energy called the zero point energy field which literally the amount of space inside a coffee mug has enough potential energy at that zero point level uh literally you to boil off all the oceans of the world.
It's an enormous amount of power. Nikola Tesla called it the infinite energy field. But that was quantified, by the way, by Professor Casimir, first postulated in the 30s but proven in physics journals in the 1950s. So unfortunately, if you're at MIT or Harvard or anywhere else studying physics and electromagnetic… engineering, you're not going to be exposed to this.
This is not in the textbooks. It's been very highly sequestered and classified, but it's the solution to poverty, global warming, all kinds of issues. And so, you know, I think that this is, people ask, why would anyone keep this secret?
Well, I'm telling you why, you know, we're talking what a thousand trillion dollars in assets in oil and coal and utilities and whatnot, that would be redundant, unnecessary. Now, That's not good if you own an oil field. It's very good if you're a human living on planet Earth. So I think for that to come out, but I think this is the real debate.
I think we need to move very quickly away from, you know, these sort of ephemeral sightings, which we have something like 300,000 accounts of these sort of sightings. We have 3,500 aircraft pilot encounters like Mr. Fravor. described.
And those have been in reporting systems since the 40s and 50s. So that is old territory that they're covering. We really need to start getting to the brass tacks here because right now what's going on is all going along the surface of observed phenomenon. There's a great deal more to this and we need to catch up very quickly with this.
And that's why we're offering the entire disclosure project intelligence archive to the government. And a redacted version of it, we're going to try to make available to you and the general public and the media in the next six to 12 months where everything we'll have will be available through like a Wikipedia for all things UAP and UFO, including all the black site locations and documents. We have thousands of documents, government and thousands of pages of whistleblower testimony.
Well, but to be fair. We've always seen technologies get introduced that eradicated billion-dollar industries. I mean, like electric cars are essentially destroying gas stations right now. I've always said when I got my first Tesla seven years ago, I said, okay, in the foreseeable future, you will barely see conventional gas stations anymore because this is such a better technology. I mean, in Hollywood, you're seeing AI kind of mess with the livelihood of riders.
It's starting to create its own kind of a… scripts and everything else like that. That's natural. And in general, if the net results in society is an improvement, why hold back a technology that will improve all society if a couple of industries fall by the wayside?
I mean, at one point, there were more horses than cars in America. And now there's barely any horses. No, but this is the flow in your argument. There is not a few industries. It's the pivotal lifeblood of the industrial world.
today, which is the energy sector that would have to be completely retooled. And we're not talking a few billion. We're talking over a thousand trillion dollars.
So the macroeconomics of this. And are way beyond, you know, a Tesla car, way beyond something, a digital innovation. And this is why it has been kept so secret. Because now there is one part of this technology that should remain secret. And I want to be very clear on this.
The aspect of it that generates energy that would run your car or house, great. That should be brought forward. That part of it that gives you basically...
lift and flight at speeds that are beyond imagination, which we do have. Those should be kept classified because that's obviously a missile and weapon delivery system. And I don't think you want every terrorist in the world having access to that where in two or three seconds they could launch something from Mogadishu over New York and detonate it. So there are valid serious national security concerns regarding the propulsion or space transfer.
Like when he reported that object that was moved so quickly, it was 60 miles away. Yes. So that technology, having studied extraterrestrial technologies that we've reverse engineered for 80 years, since the mid, early to mid 40s, that has resulted in some significant developments. And the problem is some of those developments need to be disclosed.
Some of them need to be disclosed later after the world figures out how to handle it so it's not another weapon of mass destruction. Right? So, I mean, this is a mature conversation that has not been joined yet because people are still scratching their heads.
What's a UAP? So, you know, we're always being thrown back to kindergarten when in reality there were hearings in the Congress in the 60s and 70s. There were. organizations with whistleblowers and pilot cases better actually than what the one Mr. Fravor was involved in back in the 50s and 60s.
I have them in our archive. The question is, why do we keep wanting to go back and hit the rewind button? And it's sort of been a cul-de-sac going around the circle. I mean, I think we need to move it, advance the discussion and also advance the evidence much more quickly.
Well, you touched on this. previously. And, you know, in this congressional meeting, there was claims of a cover-up.
So David Gruch said that he faced very brutal retaliation as a result of his allegations. He also claimed knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in the course of government efforts to conceal UFO information. Killed, he said. Yeah. When they asked him, you know, if anyone's actually been killed, he said, yes.
And he said, I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities. Now, the Pentagon responded and they denied all of Grush's claims of a cover-up. In a statement, a Defense Department spokesperson said investigators had not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently. Yeah, well, here's the problem.
How do you know they're lying? Their lips are moving. All right.
So, unfortunately. The person who made that statement, who is a spokesperson for the Arrow office that we have had a number of our top secret witnesses go through, either is not informed of what has been provided to that office in a top secret skiff because he or she didn't have a clearance, or has been directed to say this with knowledge of forethought, which is a damnable lie. What Mr. Grush said is true about that. And.
While he had secondhand involvement with those folks, as I mentioned, we have over 700 firsthand people that I have debriefed over the years and people much more involved than anyone that he had access to. And we're asking for a way, a mechanism for these people to safely come forward without being killed and without being threatened or being imprisoned. So I think that.
Yeah, I mean, the fact that there's a statement coming out from some bureaucrat at the Pentagon is not evidence. It's just it's a polemic. It's a rhetoric.
I mean, overall, when you look at this whole congressional meeting, did you learn anything from this meeting or was it all stuff that you already knew? Oh, no, it was all I mean, all those people like Fravor I had already debriefed, Grush I'd met with and been in communication with for a year and a half almost. Um, no, there was nothing at all new there. In fact, you know, what everyone on my team thought was, is the biggest nothing burger ever. Because it didn't even scratch the surface.
But, you know, at least people like Congressman Burchett and Luna and Moskowitz and people like that I've met with are trying to get to the bottom of it. But it's such a complex problem. And I want to just say this here.
The closer you get to the truth, the less believable it is. And in 1991, as a young emergency doctor, I'm an ER trauma doctor. Uh, when I started digging into this, I had a member of the intelligence community say, if you tell the people the actual truth about this, it discredits itself.
It is so bizarre and it's so unbelievable that it is, it discredits itself. So the truth is actually stranger than the fiction that people are being sold. For example, most people wouldn't imagine that in the late fifties, early sixties, we had man-made UAPs with.
things that look like aliens abducting American citizens. We do, and we can prove it. All right.
So this kind of stuff is something out of science fiction, you would think, but it makes total sense if you understand what the long-term agenda is. Two points of the agenda. One, keep the technologies under wrap, except the ones we want to disclose, such as fiber optics and integrated circuits, what have you, that were... in part empowered by studying extraterrestrial materiel. And then number two, present a false threat from outer space so that, as Ronald Reagan said, we can unite the world around an alien threat.
Okay, so there have been a lot of programs, abductions, mutilations, disinformation, psychological warfare campaigns that have, and Hollywood movies and Internet shows and, you know. series on tabloid TV that have always presented the boogeyman alien. Well, that's they're wanting to create a new boogeyman because the only way to unite a bunch of squabbling primates known as homo sapiens, they feel, is to pivot towards fighting something out in space. So that is a very dangerous and stupid game, but that's the long game they're playing. I can assure you that that is the long game.
Don't forget, Wernher von Braun. who invented the rocket for Adolf Hitler on his deathbed, told a member of my team, Carol Rosen, who was his assistant, and became the first executive in the aerospace industry who was a woman, said that they were going to stage an alien threat, and it was all false, and it was a big global power grab, and it was all a lie. Now, we have this on record from her.
She's up there in years now. I think she's about 80. But Wernher von Braun died, of course, in the 70s. But before he died, he shared this. Now, I have heard this from multiple people who have been very high up in the aerospace and the intelligence community going back to the 40s, 50s, 60s who've dealt with this issue.
So while it sounds outrageous, and it is outrageous, it also happens to be true. OK, so let's talk about Ronald Reagan for a second, because that was in my notes as well. So in Ronald Reagan claimed that he saw a UFO while on his plane. This was back when he was governor of California. This was before he was president.
And from what I read, his staff told him not to mention it publicly at all because they didn't want him to look crazy to the voters, essentially. But then when he was president, he actually had a speech and he said that an alien threat would bring the world together. That's what I just referred to.
What it kind of reminded me of is the original graphic novel. of The Watchmen. I don't know if you read that or not.
The movie version is a little bit different. The TV show kind of goes along with this. But in The Watchmen graphic novel, the so-called villain, although he's not exactly a villain, but he's somewhat of a villain, Ozymandias, basically, it's set where the US and Russia are about to launch nuclear weapons on each other, and the world is basically about to go away. And Ozymandias created this man-made alien that he dropped in the middle of New York City, which caused mass carnage.
Thousands of people died. And suddenly the U.S. and Russia all come together and they're best friends. And now they partner up and nobody wants to kill each other anymore.
And even though it's a big deception, he's brought world peace. Is that kind of what Reagan was talking about in a way? It is, but he was a bit deceived on that because what the real agenda is, is that this is a transnational and global organization running these programs.
It's not just U.S. And what they really want is a militaristic, I might even say totalitarian. uh system where everyone gives up their freedoms and security because of this threat alleged threat from outer space now one thing that of course if you're a thinking person but most humans are just emotional and don't think is that if you're a thinking person if there were hostile civilizations out there and given the fact that we can prove we have been targeting and knocking them out of the skies since 1940s If they were hostile, given the fact that their technologies are in the thousands to hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than ours, we would be gone.
I mean, this planet would be a charcoal brick floating through space with no life on it. So they're clearly not hostile. In fact, I would flip it around.
The problem in this little corner of the cosmos are Homo sapiens with the weapons we have and the fact that we have not become what's called a level one civilization, meaning a peaceful. civilization. Look what's going on in the Middle East right now as we speak. So I think that this is a big problem, but it's very easy to the jingoistic thing of, you know, like the movie Independence Day with Will Smith, let's kick alien butt, right? Well, it's very, you know, it's a rallying cry, but who would benefit from that kind of, and by the way, Mr. Grush has been deceived with this kind of information, disinformation.
very directly, and I know who's doing it to him. And if you were deceived in that way, then you would actually win the battle of disclosure. And by the way, I'm the founder of the Global Disclosure Project that started in 1993, 30 years ago. But you would lose the war because the real long-term objective is to unite the world around some kind of militaristic authoritarian entity.
where people give up their freedoms for their safety. And as Benjamin Franklin's report have said, those who give up their freedom for security shall have neither. This is a very big concern that we have, and that this kind of manipulation is not hard to do.
And let's not forget, there is recent historic precedent for this. We cannot forget the fact that Mr. Cheney sent Colin Powell up to the UN. with vials of material showing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he didn't have them.
And Colin Powell's chief of staff has come forward saying it was the biggest mistake in national security history, that they were gaslit and deceived, and that was the foundation of us invading Iraq, which has led to the fracturing of that area in Syria and all the mess in the 20 years since. But that was a deceptive operation. Let's not forget, everybody heard the Vietnam War?
The Gulf of Tonkin, look it up. We staged or exaggerated attacks on our ships in the Gulf of Tonkin so that humans and Americans would become hysterical. And Johnson, President Johnson, who was skeptical of expanding that conflict, was pressured to vastly expand it to the benefit of whom? The military-industrial complex, the very profit-centered operatives. They're keeping the UFO issue secret.
Same people. And those sort of operations, anyone who knows history can look them up, fact check what I just shared. And the big one, however, is this. Now, I will say an intermediate one between 9-11 and now would be the abuses of power that occurred after the COVID pandemic occurred. And there were serious.
unnecessary abuses of state power. And so, but I think that, of course, is one of the big risks of people, let's say, bowing down to power when they're afraid. When there's fear, the state can run amok over everyone's liberties. And I think people should not be naive.
about the fact that if the announcement that we're not alone in the universe, if it is pivoted in the direction that I know they're going to try to move it, then we're going to be in a much worse, it'll be planet gulag. It'll be lockdown planet gulag. So I think we have to be very, very vigilant about this, not just here in the United States, but all over the world.
The reason the United States is so key, there are assets in other countries that deal with UAPs all over the world, Brazil. Raytheon has facilities and there are facilities out in the outback of Australia at Pine Gap and into Great Britain and all over. And we know where these places are and we know what's happening at these places.
But the big center of power is the United States because it's the largest economy. And it's also the highest tech sector and has the biggest R&D aerospace budget from the trillion dollars or so in defense, intelligence, and other spending. So let's say if there's a 10% or 20% misuse of funds out of that trillion dollars, that's $100 billion to $200 billion a year. And I think that'd be conservative of what's going into these illegal projects. So.
I think because of that, the Congress, which holds the power of the purse to fund things, and it was mentioned at that committee hearing by one member of the committee, that they need to start thinking about withholding funding if these agencies and corporations don't start cooperating. Well, let's talk about some of the things that have happened since our last interview with you. So I think the biggest thing was Mexico's Congress had a UFO hearing.
And they pulled out what they say was a thousand year old alien corpse. Is this a real corpse or, you know, because from what I read, they're saying this is really just like a skull of a llama pieced together with some other various animal human bones to make it look like something. A lot of it's not even symmetrical, like like the left or right arm bones don't match and so forth. So is this is there any reality in this at all? Honestly, I've known about that for about six or seven years.
It's not new. We have never been given access to the material and been able to do genetic studies on it. And without a very sophisticated series of genetic studies for what's called ancient DNA, old DNA that's not fresh and living, which is its own specialty, by the way, very few places can do it in the world. You're not going to know what that is. And so I can't.
On the one hand, I can't deny it, but I certainly have no evidence as to what it actually is. But if you just eyeball it, based on all the studies that you've done, does it look remotely real? Most likely not, but I mean, it's theoretically possible.
Look, the universe is a big place. It's theoretically possible there could be some life forms that look like that. I'm saying that I can't. I'm not going to make a statement one way or another when I have no scientific basis for making that statement. And the other thing is that those could be put through an MRI or a CAT scanner where you could actually see the morphology.
And as a doctor, I mean, I know exactly what I would do with that if I had possession of it. But I wasn't given access to it. So it's a big question mark.
Okay. Ring. The camera company, the door camera company, recently offered a million dollars for anyone who captures an alien on their actual ring camera. Do you think this is just a marketing ploy or do you think there's something to this? Well, I actually have a picture on my cell phone of two actual ETs that were present at a CE5 contact event.
If you're Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, you can see the film on Amazon Prime or Tubi. And so. it's not on a ring camera.
It's on my iPhone. So if you could have them contact me, they can send us a million dollars tomorrow. Okay. Do you have these pictures right now? Yeah.
Can you show them on the camera? Oh, I'd have to fish them out, but yeah, they're pretty amazing actually. So this is one and you know, he, uh, very triangular shaped head, almost like a beak light face. It was at a event we did out in the Arizona desert a couple of years ago. There are about 30 witnesses to this.
This photograph was taken with a really good Nikon camera by David Marconi, who wrote the screenplay for Enemy of the State. And it was during a reconnaissance and contact event we were doing there in the desert up above Tucson, up at about 4,000 or 5,000 feet. And... It was a very unusual series of events happened. We have another one.
I don't know if I have that one on my phone. That happened at Joshua Tree National Park about, I don't know, 15 years ago. And quite spectacular.
Everyone saw. And a person took a picture of it. Now, this was under low lake conditions.
But it's very clear what it is. And it's an extraterrestrial being that's sort of levitating, floating out in the desert just outside our circle. So. yeah we have a lot of unusual material um and one of the things that we moved forward with in 1990 was concluded wait number one we're not alone in the universe and number two who's making contact with them Not the State Department or UN. So we started a project called the CE5 Contact Program.
And there's an app called CE5 Contact that takes you through all the protocols to be able to do this. And we have had so many thousands of people have sightings and contact events from using that protocol. Now, I don't know if anyone has a ring camera that they've captured it on, but that's an interesting wrinkle.
And the reason that it works. is because one of the big problems that you get into when you talk to conventional scientists about this, they're all still locked in a paradigm of things that are the speed of light or slower. If you're interstellar civilization, your central technologies have to go beyond the speed of light, right?
Which means you're not going from point A to B. at the speed of light. Let's say you're from a very nearby star system, a thousand light years away. At the speed of light, it'd take a thousand years to get there and a thousand years to get home. That's the time since the birth of Christ.
Not practical. Communications are the same problem. What you and I are using is at the speed of light. But if you're communicating back to, say, the Andromeda galaxy, two and a half million light years away, it would take two and a half million light years for you to say hello.
And another 2.5 million light years for someone to say, how are you doing today? So that's 5 million years on a round trip. Just hello, how are you? So we know that the technologies they have are what are known as trans-dimensional technologies. This is where you get into, at the CIA, it's called WSFM.
It stands for weird science and freaking magic. And my uncle's old company, Northrop Grumman, it was just called PFM. Fucking magic, excuse my language, but that's what they called it. But it's these sort of very high voltage electromagnetic systems that allow for communication basically at the speed of conscious thought. Similar to what Neuralink's trying to do with Elon Musk, but without the wires.
In other words, where there's a consciousness and thought interface with machine. And therefore, the communication systems are at. the speed of a quanta or directed thought.
So it's high tech. It sounds way out there, and it is. But you would expect, if it's extraterrestrial, it'd have to be way out there.
It's not going to be early 21st century schlock like we're using. I mean, this is garbage, right? So, I mean, all this tech stuff we think is so vaunted, I can assure you, is not even a step out of the jungle, one step out of the jungle, technologically compared to these civilizations. So I think that having studied that, we concluded that you had to sort of create a series, sort of a scientific paradigm of how do you communicate with and what kind of phenomenon are you going to expect in contact, not with one of the fake man-made UAPs and aliens, but a real one. And the real ones are extraordinarily advanced in their technology, but also in their state of consciousness.
Because my theory is that once a civilization reaches a certain point, what's called a level one civilization where we're peaceful, we have these zero point free energy systems, poverty has gone off the planet. People turn very quickly to the development of consciousness and intellect and from a spiritual point of view, higher states of consciousness. I distinguish spiritual from organized religion, which are often diametrically opposite. But, sorry to say to those of you who are religious, but that is something that I think happens naturally. So civilizations that are capable of reaching Earth from other star systems, if they haven't blown themselves up with extraordinary technologies like we have and way beyond what we have, they've reached a certain level of social and spiritual development.
And so we have to calculate that into our paradigm. And go forward accordingly. So that's why the origini, you know, this is shocking to people. The originating event for the whole disclosure movement that's going on today was a CE5 contact event on the beach near Pensacola, Florida in March of 1992. And I was leading a team for a weekend, 60 people.
There were two full bird colonels and Air Force people there. And four of these ET craft just popped into the sky. They didn't fly.
Just material like boom, boom, boom. And we had a very bad quality Hi8 camera back then in 92. It was before any of you all were alive. 31 years ago, you can imagine. And we didn't have any good equipment, but we got it on camera. And someone took a photograph and ended up on the front page of the Pensacola paper.
And that caused the intelligence community to contact me, Army Intelligence, CIA, and NSA, because they went, you know, what the hell are you doing? Because they knew we had cracked the Rosetta Stone of contact with these civilizations, which we have. So that ended up being a an entree into that whole black world.
Now, early on, about a month or two, about two months later, the head of army intelligence, General Albert Stubblebine III, offered me $2 billion to become part of his team and not do what I'm doing now. But I wasn't interested in the money, and I was on a path to try to get this information out and have a peaceful. paradigm of contact with these civilizations. So to me, that's really where we need to be going very quickly, because right now, let me tell you what's going on.
The only people in any official capacity dealing with this issue are people doing so illegally under cover of national security using extremely advanced and illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons to target ET craft and knock them down. That has to stop. By all means necessary.
Very dangerous thing to be going on. And can I prove that's going on? Absolutely. I got the footage and the photographs of having just hovered over the black sites where this is happening and have the image of the underground access points that these man-made UAPs come out of. I just came off that mission.
So I'm going to be handing that over to members of Congress pretty soon. But what I'm saying is we need to. move off of this militaristic approach to this and develop a more diplomatic and peaceful approach, or we're going to be in a world of hurt.
Well, in August, a Harvard professor, Avi Loeb, said that he found metal in the Pacific Ocean that he claimed came from aliens. Well, yeah. I mean, look, there's no question that there have been extraterrestrial encounters that go back for thousands of years, if not millions of years on this planet. I have no doubt that there are artifacts that are under the ocean and other places that may exist.
As to whether they're of extraterrestrial origin or not, again, I would have to see the data and the analysis on it. I know that other, there's a man I'm working with or had worked with for years out down near the Redstone Arsenal in Alabama, Huntsville. who when they would find such things, he would receive them.
He was actually working for IT&T, but it was a contract from CIA to analyze exactly what Avi was talking about. And so I know people personally that I've been in his SCIF, I've been in his lab. I know for a fact that there has been a program acquiring that kind of material for decades and studying them, and particularly if it's an intact.
object that looks like it has some technological function, this scientist who is a physics and electromagnetic engineering genius that I've been working with, he would be asked to figure out how it worked, what it did, right? So yes, I mean, those sort of older artifacts exist. It's certainly not as dispositive or compelling to me as what's sitting right now under certain places like Dugway and...
Lawton, Oklahoma, and so-called Area 51, and these black sites near Edwards Air Force Base and other places where we have underground both man-made and extraterrestrial vehicles. ATVs is what they're called. By the way, no one uses the word alien. The bodies are called EBANs, extraterrestrial biological entities, is what we call them.
So that is the fact. Now, It's not a bad avenue of exploration to try to find something that might be some debris in space or something that's been under the ocean for a long time. But I think what we really want to do is pivot towards the current operational systems and acquire those.
Now, I don't know if the Congress, if you're aware of this, but the Senate passed and it's pending in the House, although that's all tied up because of this impasse with the speakership. a bill that would basically give amnesty for six months to these big aerospace industries and individuals that we've named. to come forward with the bodies, the craft, the material, or they would then at that point after six months, it's sort of an amnesty period, be subject to criminal prosecution.
So I think that what we have to be prepared for, if in fact they do not capitulate and obey the law, they are going to need to have a law enforcement team stood up that has the capability to go to these sites and get them under control legally. off, you know, constitutional control. What I want to say to your listeners is that all projects, all projects, private, corporate, and governmental dealing with this issue are illegal, unsanctioned, and unconstitutional.
How do I know that? Because since 1993, I have briefed people like the CIA director and provided materials to sitting presidents and people on Senate intelligence and oversight committees. for 30 years.
And these are people who, if these programs were being run legally, they would know because they are the people in the government constitutionally who are entitled to know. On the other hand, when they have made inquiries, they have been denied access or threatened. I know for a fact that there are members of Congress as well as members of the executive branch who, upon making inquiries, have been threatened. It happened to Bill Clinton. It happened to Jimmy Carter.
It's happened to members of the House and the Senate that I know of personally from my briefings and involvement. So this is an intimidation tactic. And this is why I'm giving the message out. If you have worked in those projects, you think you signed a nondisclosure agreement that's binding. It isn't.
The reason all nondisclosure agreements are vitiated and neutralized is because the underlying project that you worked in is illegal. Now, most people wouldn't know that. Let's say you're a 20, 30, 40-year-old guy working in a compartmented operation for the Skunk Works, Lockheed, or Northrop, or the military.
You're just following orders, right? You don't know at the top that those projects are being run as a criminal operation, a RICO. And they are. And so until the U.S. government accepts that hard fact that we can prove in a court of law.
They're going to not be developing the correct strategies. About the only strategy they need to do now, because you heard at the hearing, you keep bringing up this hearing in July, where they talked about, and I talked to Congressman Burchett and Luna about this, going to Eglin Air Force Base. And, gee, knock on the front door.
Would you let us in and see the secret place here? Because they had heard there was, and there is. Well, they didn't know where it was. We do.
They wouldn't know the name of it. My witnesses do. I have a guy who's been in it. You can't knock on the front door and say, pretty, please let me in to an unsanctioned, unconstitutional operation. This is like going to a mafia pizza parlor in New York and asking to be taken to the back room where they're laundering money or doing, you know, whatever, some criminal operation.
It ain't going to happen. So there's a certain naivete in the Congress, in the White House that's got to stop because. They're going to keep getting gaslit and diverted until they accept the fact that there is something very wrong here and something smells in Denmark here and that it's an illegal operation.
And you have to treat it as if it's an illegal operation because it is. If you treat it as if it's just a compartmented secret operation and somehow nobody you're talking to knows about it, that's the wrong approach. The other reason this is important, this is where Mr. Grush made a big error. He said, I can't talk about this here.
I need to do it in a skiff. That's not true. Because you are not bound by a national security oath and nondisclosure agreement, nor are any national security laws applicable if the project involved is itself unconstitutional. That is basic constitutional law.
We've run this by many constitutional attorneys. What I just said is a fact. And so that is an error right there.
Now, if you've come up through that system, you're very much indoctrinated to, if you signed a national security nondisclosure agreement and it says silent for 80 years, and some of them are 80 years, you're going to be very reluctant to go outside that because of what you've been threatened with. Right. But from a legal point of view, there's no reason for anyone.
with information on this, including documents, materiel, parts of a craft. They could all disclose it. It cannot, it cannot be.
uh, regarded as a legal secrets as long as the white house and the Congress are not allowed to oversee it. You can't have it both ways, you know? And so you're either going to be within the bounds of the law or not. And if it's not, if we're going to accept the civilization dealing with something this important, that is lawless and above the law, then we're back to the jungle. Well, there are various alien videos that circulated, uh, most recently in Las Vegas.
Yes. Where some people claim there are these aliens in their backyard. I watched the video and I could not see these aliens that they were referring to. You're familiar with the situation, right? Oh, I'm very familiar with it.
And I've not been able to get anyone on my team who's out in that area to get anything that is what I would call actionable intelligence, hard information. So, look, you know, this subject, it's nine parts myth and. whatever an embellishment, one part fact. It's very difficult. I mean, I've been dealing with this for 33 years and I'm not saying something like that didn't happen.
There's some camera footage of some object that looked like it was blew up or was it. I have seen one thing that looked like a photo of an unusual looking creature in that backyard. I have seen that.
It was sent to me, but we haven't been able to get to the actual officers who were there. Or the people who claim that this creature appeared in their backyard after this object was struck. Is it plausible that could have happened? Yes, because they're near an area, MOA, a military operating area, that do have systems that can target and hit an ET craft. And I know where these are around various parts of the United States.
By the way. Uh, I, in, in the early mid nineties, I learned that there was one of these, uh, it was horseshoe shaped electromagnetic pulse weapons along the coast of Florida, along Eglin air force base. Uh, whether that's still there or not, I don't know, but so it's feasible that that event happened. But again, I haven't been able to get anyone to, uh, get on the inside and confirm it.
Well, I mean, there's been other videos, for example, 2019, there was the. quote unquote Dobby alien video. You know what I'm talking about? It was a character that looked like something out of Harry Potter. Essentially, that was kind of like wobbling around in someone's backyard on their camera.
Do you know what I'm talking about with this one? I know the one they call Boo that Stan Romanek had. Hold on, let me show you what I'm talking about. I'm not sure I'm familiar with that. Look, there have been several.
I always go, well, you know, it's, you know what it all comes down to is the provenance. What's the provenance of this? Let me just show you this video that I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have seen that.
The question is, you'd have to-Here it is again. Yeah. And always the question for-Weird looking, I don't know, looks like an elf or a little troll almost.
And I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. Like I said, this was four years ago. Well, again, I haven't gotten access to that original footage or talked to the person who took it. It's theoretically possible that that was one that appeared and disappeared.
But the question is, was that an extraterrestrial one or a man-made one? So it gets a little weirder when you start entertaining the idea that we have man-made aliens that would look just like that. Wait, so you're saying there's man-made aliens, that they've actually bioengineered.
non-human, non-Earth animal creatures that are actually running around. Well, that they're using special operations to abduct people and do things like that. Yeah. Why would you abduct somebody using a man-made alien as opposed to just sending in a military person to do it?
Because they want people to believe that they have been abused by an alien so that they can justify interplanetary war. That's what we were talking about earlier. This whole... thing is a psychological warfare operation going back since 1953. 70 years when they concluded they could use the whole UFO issue for its psychological warfare value. And I'm quoting from the CIA document we have and that I provided in briefings to people at the White House and Congress.
So I think that you have to understand what does that mean? It means exactly what I just told you. Let's talk about this. There are three different phenomenon masquerading as alien.
One is actual extraterrestrial. The other are... what we call stagecraft.
Like in the early days, we have an Air Force intelligence officer who's a witness on camera. And this is actually in our documentary called Unacknowledged. It's had over 700 million people see it. You can see it on Amazon or Tubi or whatever. And he states that they had staged these abductions.
And in the early days, would take a very short man and then make them up like Hollywood style to look like an alien. And they'd be put on these. man-made UFOs, and they would go and abduct people. Now, to what purpose? It's what we just talked about, for the psychological warfare, so they could convince brainwashed people that there was a threat.
It's just like Cheney marching Colin Powell up to the UN with yellow cake or evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he didn't. It's all part, it's a deception. And so this is where a lot of people get irritated because I'm really the biggest skeptic you'll ever run across.
About 80 to 90% of everything out there that people put forward is alien. I'm going, yeah, well, the mutilations, human. All those animal mutilations being done by human, psychological warfare operations. The abductions, same thing. A lot of these creatures, many of them are robotic.
If you look at the ones that people like Stan Romanek, and I have a top secret guy, whistleblower who's just come forward, who he encountered one of these and it tried to attack him. He knocked it down. It thought it was skin. And when it tore open, there were all these integrated circuits and fiber optics and wires under there.
But it looked exactly like that thing you just showed. So, and that was, he absolutely man-made. And then there's one other level. And those are what are called PLFs, program life forms. And these are.
a biological so let's say you have an et that you've captured that's dead you take the genetic material and everyone knows we've cloned things like sheep and what have you you clone it but then you put integrated circuits in the cerebral cortex and that biological alien is sort of a programmed life form that can then be used in a deceptive operation now a few minutes ago i told you the more In depth, we get into this, the crazier it's going to sound, but it's true. And now, but let's put a pin in that. What do you think has happened when Grush and others say, you know, we've had these craft, we've reverse engineered them. Imagine having over the years, trillions of dollars and some of the smartest scientific minds I have ever met working in these deep black projects. There have been amazing paydays, not just on energy and propulsion and communications and weapons, but on biology, my sphere, medical.
And so it's a mistake to think that that has not been exploited and bent to the purpose of these deceptive indications and warnings, as they're called, or deceptive false flag operations. So that is exactly what was decided in the 1950s, and they have done it very, very professionally. Occasionally, some facts leak out, like that CIA document talking about the CIA staging abductions for their psychological warfare value in Brazil and Argentina, and it said alien abductions.
Same thing with what the Air Force intelligence officer, Mr. Doty, said about in the United States, where they had done these abductions using... various stage crafting. Now we've known of this. This has been documented by researchers since at least the 1980s before I got involved.
And we have further documented it, but this sounds so outrageous and unbelievable. Unfortunately, both the general public and the Congress go, boy, this is a bridge too far. We can't wrap our mind around that. They're still trying to figure out what that thing is that Mr. Fravor chased the Tic Tac. And they don't even figure that out yet because that was ours.
That was almost certainly from the Lockheed Skunk Works. Well, yeah. I mean, when you talk about alien abductions, the one term you always hear is anal probes, right?
Down to, I remember the first episode of South Park, Cartman gets abducted by aliens. And they do an anal probe to the point where like a satellite comes out of his butt by the end of the episode. What is it about aliens and anal probes that seem to go hand in hand?
Oh, yeah. Well, it's also ridiculous. You always have to ask the question.
You're going to go through interstellar space and your need to take, you know. your sperm and her egg and create something. I mean, this is just all nonsense, but the public is actually very gullible to believe this because it's been in movie science fiction, ufology for decades. And also there's another problem.
Humans are very easily brainwashed about something that looks different from them that they should hate. This is the root of, you know, you look at chimpanzees were 98% the same. They've done studies how chimpanzees organize into troops and engage in warfare. So what humans have this sort of, our genetic original sin is this proclivity that we want to kill or fight anything that is different from us, whether it be a gay person, whether it be a different color, a different race, a different nationality, different religion, look at the Middle East. And so that is being exploited by people who understand deeply the foibles of...
human psychology. And that's why psychological warfare programs like this are so effective. Now, they're only effective if people are tricked by them.
We were tricked after 9-11 with Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. They didn't. We were tricked in Vietnam. The only question I'm asking people, are we going to be tricked again? I always like to say it's like the who, we won't be fooled again.
Well, that was in the 70s, right, or 60s. I hate to tell the who, we have been tricked again and again. And again, the question is, are we going to be fooled again? And right now, unfortunately, with the buffoonery going on here in Washington and with the UFO subject, I'm a little concerned we may be tricked again. All right, because when you talk about that, the most recent phenomenon that happened was the Bigfoot video from Colorado.
Have you seen this thing? No, I actually have never really delved into the Bigfoot. allegations. I actually don't know anything about it.
Right. There's a video of a so-called Bigfoot in Colorado. You know, I mean, there's going to be sightings of the Loch Ness Monster. Someone claimed they finally got a picture.
But, you know, I mean, ultimately, like, for example, when I had Neil deGrasse Tyson on my show and, you know, he's a renowned astrophysicist and so forth. He has, you know, his take on various things. When I asked him about aliens, he said, look, ultimately, when you look at the world, most people have a high definition. camera phone in their pocket that they carry everywhere. This was not true in the 90s.
It wasn't true any time before then. But now most humans have a 4K or at least 1080p camera everywhere they go. And yet you have not seen any sort of video that has been released that beyond a shadow of a doubt says this is either an extraterrestrial being or a spaceship. You said. You're telling me there's an alien in front of your airplane and the best you could do is a fuzzy monochromatic tic-tac?
And it's in our atmosphere? It's there? And the plane can see it?
Really? Not only that, but there's 6 billion smartphones in the world. Last time I checked. And each phone can take high resolution photographs and video.
If a kitten jumps from the table to the back of the couch and falls, it goes viral. You think if anyone has a video of an alien, it wouldn't go viral? Nowadays, you can stream what your phone sees.
If an alien is taking you into a flying saucer, you can stream that. In the air of the smartphone, there's no such video. That's right.
So basically you're saying that all these UFO sightings, none of them are actual extraterrestrial alien objects. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if you want to declare that, the evidence is insufficient to convince someone who's an authentic skeptic. You want it to be an alien, that'd be extraordinary if it's an alien. But it's just, it's a light doing things in the sky that you can't explain.
Everything that comes out is always fuzzy and weird. Like I said, that Las Vegas video, I sat there, watched it, and they're claiming that these giant aliens in the background, I didn't see it. How do you explain that?
Because what he's saying is a lie. I mean, he hasn't looked at the evidence. There is an enormous number of very high-quality photograph video of these objects and craft, and also the military has acknowledged they have them, and there are more in their collection.
So for him to say that, would indicate to me that he's actually carrying water for people trying to advance the cover-up. Anyone who would just read the book Disclosure or Unacknowledged that has all these accounts and images and photographs and government documents, no one can look at that evidence that has been put on a silver platter. So someone who is allegedly a scientist to make a statement like that just means that he's either completely closed-minded and brainwashed or is knowingly lying to the public.
There's only two choices there because the evidence is there. Now, if you haven't looked at the evidence, then you can have an opinion, but it's not a valid and informed opinion. So as Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own set of facts.
So we have abundant numbers of photos and videos and of all of that. And let's not forget that the best quality material. is very rapidly taken into these covert programs. And you're not going to take that out of a skiff, you know, a covert facility.
You can't take a piece of paper out of one of those facilities. You take nothing in and you leave with nothing. I know I've been in these places.
So, you know, you're not taking anything in. So, and it is not as if these ET vehicles and beings are landing willy-nilly just saying, hi, how are you doing? You know, so to the extent that we have any evidence in the public domain is really quite extraordinary, but there's plenty of it.
We have an excellent photo. For example, the Costa Rican government gave me the original negative from a survey plane of taking, surveying the countryside near Lake Arenal in the volcano. And underneath is this seamless ET disc coming up. And I have the negative. I published a photograph, the Vancouver Island daytime photograph of a seamless disc analyzed.
It was done before. There could be deep fakes. We have a lot of this. So for him to say that doesn't exist is simply a canard. It's false.
Well, in June of this year, a lawyer came out and claimed that his client had witnessed a UFO that distorted space and time. So the story goes like this. I guess they had found some sort of object and they used a bulldozer to pull it out. When it came out, it looked like a pie slice. They didn't want to destroy it.
So they had one of the guys go into it. And I guess on the outside, it was relatively small. But when he got inside, it was the size of a football stadium.
That's right. He started to freak out. He started to feel nauseous.
You know, because on the outside, it was only 30 feet in diameter. with a football field on the inside. He came out after a couple of minutes, but from the outside, it was like he was in there for four hours.
And they claim that this is a time distortion, a space distortion piece of technology. It is. Are you familiar with this?
Yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
I know a number of people who have been in special operations where they've had that experience with these objects. In fact, one of our retrieval team members who was north of Area 51 in a remote base maybe a decade ago, they had targeted and stunned a fairly large ET craft that came down. It did not disintegrate. It was intact but stunned.
There were two man-made triangular anti-gravs in the air. And they were this. member was flown in on helicopters with Delta force people to retrieve this. This object actually came back to life as it were.
And he had an encounter with two of the occupants, but this object, once it got operational, the manmade UAPs took off because they knew that we need to get out of here. But the entire, all the helicopters and all the men on the Delta force and these other workers were instantly space. There was a, a.
a time-space snap where they were teleported back over 100 miles to their helicopter base, their helo base. And I have heard of the absolutely, that technology is real. And it's understood, actually, by classified science researchers.
Well, in 2003, they say that a football-sized object, craft hovered over the Vandenberg Air Force Base. And I guess this was discussed in the House of Representatives hearing on UFOs. Yeah, there have been many of these. I mean, some of them are the size of football fields. I mean, remember our new whistleblower, the Marine, who came across a man-made one in Indonesia during that earthquake and tsunami in 2009, Michael Herrera.
He and his five platoon buddies came across. a man-made one that was as big around as a football field is long. And there were special operators, black operators. forces there and they were transporting human slaves and weapons um so there's a huge human enslavement trafficking part of these covert programs that was man-made when it took off it took off like a spark off of a grinding wheel it just it hovered made a transformer sound and then boom was over the horizon instantaneously thousands of miles per hour that is man-made so And he is willing to testify under oath to that. And he's in touch with his five platoon buddies.
Now, they were almost all killed. He's one of the few people I know who stumbled across an operation like that that involves drug and human trafficking that these covert programs are doing that have not been just shot and killed instantly. And the reason he thinks he wasn't is that there was a whole operation there from his ship.
that would have heard that and seen they were missing. And so they let them go, but they threatened to. They put guns right to their heads and took their weapons and took everything.
So I have heard these accounts many times. So one of the big problems is that these covert programs, there are some really rogue elements of them that are using these advanced technologies that look like an alien spacecraft, a UAP. in human trafficking as well as in drug running and arms running. And that is a big source of income because it's all in cash. I have a man who is at Dugway Proving Grounds, a huge remote site in Utah, where the largest underground base is.
And he said that all transactions in this sector that he worked in, and we have the name of the sector and its location, was in cash, all cash. And a lot of that cash is coming from these sort of clandestine and illegal activities. Well, what I don't understand is this. When you look at air travel, you know, I took a plane yesterday from Los Angeles to New York. It took approximately five hours.
When you look at air travel technology, it hasn't really progressed very far from like the 60s. You know, I don't know. Maybe in the 60s, it might have taken an extra hour, hour and a half at the most. But essentially. Flying a plane in 2023 takes about as long as it did 50, 60 years ago.
So how could you say that there's this technology where air travel could go at the speed of light or instantaneous or so forth, and yet this huge multibillion-dollar airline industry is still using 1960s technology? Because they're not allowed to use this technology because it's been kept extremely secret. And anyone who tries to move it forward is killed.
I mean, this is not hard to figure out. I mean, if people are naive in thinking that a group like this doesn't use lethal force, you know, I have a bridge to sell you in some swampland in Florida. This is nonsense.
I mean, these are ruthless. One of the things that Mr. Grush said to me partway into his journey in this, he was still undercover to where he came out publicly in the previous year. He says, these guys. are thugs. And I had warned them and I had warned his, his superiors that you're dealing with some of the most thuggish criminal, violent sociopaths you will ever deal with who run these projects.
And that's what he said. And he's right. So, you know, there's this, there's sort of this Bambi, like, I mean, imagine something a thousand times more lethal, but high tech than the Gambino crime family or the cartels in Mexico. running these programs. Get your mind around that and you'll begin to get close to what you're up against.
So, you know, no aerospace, no airline executive or aerospace company is going to march these technologies out. Do we have them? Yes.
Are they allowed to be disclosed? Absolutely not. What we're advocating for is that the matter be disclosed, the things that fly be kept classified, but the energy systems.
See, this is what we advocate in The Lost Century, this documentary we just released, is that those technologies that would end poverty and at least fix pollution and all these other problems and also energy independence. Every village and house would be energy independent, right? Because you're not getting energy from external. It's a device sitting there that looks like a heat pump running your house, your car, whatever. Those technologies need to be out 100 years ago, right?
Now, as I said earlier, I think things sort of move at that kind of velocity. Obviously, anybody can figure out you can make that into a weapon delivery system. Well, there's a lot of other ufologists outside of yourself.
And one of the more known ones is Bob Lazar. Yeah, I've met him. Very, very interesting figure. He claimed that he was hired in the late 80s to reverse engineer extraterrestrial technology. He supposedly worked at a secret site called S4, you know, which was near Area 51. He says he's examined alien spacecraft.
and read U.S. government briefing documents that described alien involvement in human affairs over the past 10,000 years. Now, in general, people have dismissed him, part of which, you know, he has a bit of a criminal record. In 1990, he was involved in a prostitution ring.
In 2006, he was arrested for selling illegal chemicals. Journalist Ken Lane states, a lot of credible people have looked at Lazar's story and have rationally concluded that he made it up. Yeah, and that's why when we did the disclosure project in 2001, in the most recent one, we have not included that testimony because, number one, we need corroboration of it, which we've never been able to get. Now, remember, this information I'm giving you, it isn't from one source.
Often there are a dozen people who have explained the same thing, who aren't knowing each other, aren't in collusion. have been in different commands or different locations. So we try to do that very carefully. So someone like that, I can't say it's true or not true.
There's been no one who has been able to corroborate it. But here's something I can corroborate. S4 is real. S2, Pahut Mesa, Groom Lake. We have a current whistleblower who for several years worked in that area.
And another one who was there around the same time dealing with the ET issue as well as the man-made AT, advanced technology anti-grab craft. Some people call those ARVs, alien reproduction vehicles. And so is there a compound and an underground dump there, a deep underground military base there? Yes.
Does it deal with this issue? Yes. Now, beyond that, you know, the other specifics of what he's related, we haven't been able to confirm. Well, Obama did an interview with Stephen Colbert. And what Obama said is when he first got into, you know, into office and became president, he said, hey, you know, show me the secret laboratory with the alien corpses in it.
And he said outright there were none. Now, he did say that there's videos of objects, flying objects out there, and they don't know what they are. But, you know, unlike the Independence Day movie, he's claiming that even at the office of presidents, there is no lab with like a corpse of an alien sitting there where people are poking around at it. Well, no, he would be denied access.
Remember what I told you when I briefed President Clinton's CIA director in December of 1993. It had been made very clear to him, the president, as well as the CIA director, that they would be denied access to that. So one of the big issues here is this is how we have made the statement that these projects are being run unconstitutionally. Because the key people in the Congress, as well as numerous presidents that we've dealt with, have been deceived or flat out denied access. In a subsequent interview, Obama admitted that we can't talk about that and we don't get much access to it. Bill Clinton, I can't say who he was in a limousine with, but I know him.
He's on my team. After he left the presidency, he was there with a superstar and this particular producer in Hollywood who's on our team. And they asked about the UFO issue and Clinton said, oh, yes, they exist.
But I wasn't allowed to know much about it. except some materials were put together for me so I could investigate it. And that was the presidential briefing document that I did.
But he said that George H.W. Bush, who was a member of this committee keeping this secret, came to him and threatened him and said, this is none of your business but out. Now this is to a sitting president. People need to understand that is actually what's going on. You know, everyone's still living in high school civics lesson.
where the president has an all-access pass, the oversight committees of the Congress gets clear access to any operations. This is a myth. I mean, that went the way of all flesh in the late 1950s, which is why Eisenhower, when he left office, gave that famous speech, beware the military-industrial complex. He was an anti-military. He was a five-star general in World War II and a two-term Republican president.
That statement wasn't made by, you know, Abbie Hoffman or some 60s radical dropping LSD with long hair. This was a conservative Republican five-star general president. And the reason he said it, and we know this from someone who worked in the White House with him the last year that he was alive, who is on our team, who's since passed away, Stephen Lovekin, that he was being denied control over these programs, even though he knew about them, and that this whole matter had been taken into an unsanctioned and unsupervised operation somewhere between 1955 and 60, somewhere in that period.
A lot of times you see these ancient structures and people claim that they were made by aliens. The pyramids of Giza, Stonehenge in the UK, Machu Picchu in Peru. Is there any proof at all that these weren't simply man-made with, you know, just some smart mathematicians behind them?
I personally don't see anything alien-like when I go to the pyramids of Giza. You yourself, do you see any sort of connection between those two things? Well, honestly, I don't necessarily think that there were the ETs that made them.
I think there could have been some extraordinary technologies that were used. For example, there is a record of technologies that existed on Earth, of civilization more advanced than we are now. And the question is, were there some use of some type of electro-gravitic levitation technologies that were used? The other problem is even when the Smithsonian paid $5 million to simulate using mathematics and the technology that archaeologists say existed back in the time of the pyramids, those obelisks like the Washington Monument, but those were all one big piece of stone, they couldn't raise the smallest one with everything we know now about mathematics and engineering with what's been postulated.
So there's something that doesn't add up there. But I think it's a bridge too far to claim they were built by ETs. But they were certainly, their construction and the precision of the stones cut, how far they were moved, how they were put into place.
There are a lot of questions I have, but I have no proof of how that might have happened. Except the man I referred to earlier from Redstone Arsenal area, who is given materiel occasionally, is not always extraterrestrial. He has been given objects that are tens of thousands of years old or older, that are technological, that have been found in the ocean and elsewhere, that were of human origin and were extremely advanced technologies.
So I believe that it's likely that on Earth, prior to the modern era, there have been civilizations far advanced beyond where we are, for which we have very little record. And when that record is found, I think it's kind of swept under the carpet. You know, it's interesting.
There were years ago when they did the Mars images and they found that there were these obelisks and strange looking objects on Mars. I went out to the Goddard Space Flight Center here outside D.C. to meet with Mark Carlotto and some other scientists there.
And they said, yep, it's been pixelated out for the public. there are structures there and uh though very ancient but we're talking millions of years old millions and i was out in california after i had disclosed this to some people and a man came up to me from jpl jet propulsion labs and i didn't know him he knew who i was and said dr here's the issue you're right those exist but we can't disclose that i said why it's not an operational et device it's not you know it's old He says, yes, but you don't understand how powerful this information is. I said, why? He says, if this was disclosed, it would collapse the fundamentalist orthodox belief systems of every religion on earth.
I said, what? This science and this evidence is being kept secret for religious reasons? He says, yes, because the creation myths. Now, I'm not talking about most people, but those sort of fundamentalist orthodox belief systems, they'd all crumble. They'd be completely gone.
And you would have to come up with something a little more rational, right, than the world is 6,000 years old. And we used to ride dinosaurs like horses if you go to the Creation Museum in Kentucky. So this is true, by the way. Those of you in urban areas, you need to kind of wake up a bit about the rest of the world.
But that's just how it is. So what I tell people is that some of this evidence has been kept secret, not for scientific reasons, but for social belief. And how much that information would disrupt most people's foundations of their paradigm and belief. Well, I mean, back in the day, thousands of years ago, this was true.
I mean, when ancient scientists said that the Earth was round, they were put in jail and they were executed. Saying that the Earth was not the center of the universe was heresy. In fact, for... Hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, people thought that the sun and the moons rotated around the earth. And when basic astronomy showed that wasn't true, they said, oh, well, there's little semicircles that they were doing around the earth to try to somehow justify it.
And then that didn't work until finally someone said, OK, the only plausible explanation is that the sun is the center of this universe and all the planets rotate around it and all those pieces fit together. But in 2023, science is out there and so forth. But so I don't I mean.
Religion is not running the world the way it did in 2,000, 3,000 years ago, even 1,000 years ago. So why would people get their feathers ruffled over this? Because there are still huge numbers of people in our country and around the world who are not rational and scientific.
They're really based on these belief systems, which would be upended. And this guy was very blunt about it, and I think he's quite correct. Uh, so, uh, for example, uh, we might find out that the origins of homo sapiens altogether isn't what we think either Darwinian or other. So there are all kinds of implications to this issue.
You know, this is one of the things when I was out at Lawrence Rockefeller's ranch back when we were setting up things that for the Clinton administration, uh, back in September of 93. out in the Tetons, and he took me out at night on the deck, and he said, look, he said, Dr. Greer, no aspect of life on Earth will be unaffected by this being disclosed so vast and so large are the implications. I said, yes, Lawrence, that's why it's been kept so secret. So now we're touching on another whole area of concern, and that is, now, I don't think most rational religious and spiritual people would have a problem with the fact. They don't think the world's 6,000 years old, and there's no reason for them to think that a supreme being would leave all his hopes for intelligent life just in humans. God help us, right?
But there are a large number of people around the world, a significant number of people, who would find that very upsetting. So that's been another consideration. It's easy for hyper-rational Westerners who live in urban areas. to brush that off.
But if you go around the world, and we're talking a world of 8 billion people, they're not all like you in New York. Well, I mean, you're talking about essentially the missing link, right? In terms of, you know, the Darwin philosophy is that humans evolve from monkeys, but they can't find any DNA that is the link between monkeys and humans.
Correct. It just, not that it doesn't exist, it just hasn't been found. And we've been constantly, you know, you constantly hear stories of, oh, we just found this one ancient human here.
We found this ancient monkey here. But yet they can't link the DNA from a monkey to a human to show that it actually evolved from one to another. So people aren't really sure. People aren't really sure where humans came from completely, to be honest. I can speculate, but I don't have the proof.
I suspect there has been some interface between early. hominids and life forms that are more advanced from other star systems that could have resulted in us now can that be proven probably the people who have the bodies of these et folks maybe could prove that but i can't i'm speculating so now the other big question becomes there was a group of computer scientists a few years ago that calculated that the uh the genetic, let's call it the genome of the whole planet, all the genetic material in life, for it to be here would take about four and a half billion years under normal mutation Darwinian selection. But there's only been life on Earth for 700 million years. So how did that accelerated diversity and biodiversity happen on this planet?
Because it doesn't fit any of the mathematical and scientific models for natural selection, natural mutations, etc. And so, you know, they brought this up only as a big question without an answer. So I think there are a lot of questions. I mean, most of what I think we need to find out and discover.
isn't known yet, but I think that this area of UAPs and extraterrestrial intelligence is going to hold a lot of the keys to it, which I think is very exciting in many ways. But, you know, those issues I think are secondary to the problems with governance, the misuse of these technologies by an unchecked power, up to and including weapons of mass destruction and all kinds of trouble being created around the world, and also what we've lost. That's why I call it the lost century. Why are we still burning jet fuel and oil and gas and your electric car is plugged into a coal-fired and gas-fired power grid? Not to mention the 900 pounds of lithium-ion batteries are an environmental holocaust.
So there are a lot of really kind of good, feel-good environmental things out there. And I have the largest legal solar farm in Virginia at my farm in Virginia near Thomas Jefferson's house. But it won't even run the house. And it was a huge investment. So the problem is that we're facing some really existential crises.
And we're fiddling while Rome burns. We really need to bring out these heretofore classified technologies that would fix it. I think the problems we're facing have a solution that already exists.
But they have to be disclosed carefully. Well, yeah. I remember.
discussing, there were some articles that were circulating where some people had theories that religion was actually introduced by aliens in an effort to keep humans from just killing each other early on. You know, me personally, I'm not very religious, but I can't see how religion has kept societies, especially more ancient societies, together and being kind to one another and having a set of rules that everyone abides by as opposed to... I'm hungry. I'm going to take whatever I need. I don't like this person.
I'm going to kill whoever I want to kill. You know, there is some sort of basis of it. And people are saying that this was something that, you know, I mean, there's always the theories that aliens have come in during key parts of human history to try to sway humans from destroying each other. You know, do you have any sort of thoughts on this or have you heard anything substantial behind these these types of theories? Yeah, I don't know that the origins are of extraterrestrial.
basis for religions. I think that there have been a number of things in ancient times that you could easily mistake as supernatural that was extraterrestrial. And let me explain why. If you were to go back 200 years and show Thomas Jefferson your cell phone or an iWatch or whatever, it would look like magic. And if you were in Massachusetts and Salem, you'd be burned at the stake as a witch.
So One civilization's everyday technology is a less developed civilization's magic. So I think that there have been events that have occurred in the past that have been mythologized in various traditions that may very well have been some sort of extraterrestrial phenomenon. And that would make a lot of sense because how would you know otherwise?
It's like The Gods Must Be Crazy, that movie, if you've ever seen it. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah.
uh where you know someone throws a coke bottle or something out of a airplane and it becomes this object of great wonder and then fighting over it and then they're having a holy war over this thing right uh and that's a movie but it was really more based on the what we call the cargo cults in the pacific during world war ii there were islands that had never seen human advanced uh technology such as airplanes and one landed and when we came back they had made a whole statue like a god to the pilot and the airplane it's it's a great book and it shows how humans can take something they don't really understand and turn it into an object of religious reverence right uh and i'm not saying that all religion is based on that at all i'm just saying that there certainly has been some crossover of people having experiences with extraterrestrial intelligence because the experiences my group have had you With these civilizations, boy, it'd be very easy to confuse that with... something from another, you know, an angelic realm or something like that, if you didn't know what the distinctions were. By the way, you know, people bring up things like Bigfoot, what have you.
One last category of strangeness I haven't discussed that also gets thrown in here in the blender of confusion, the great scrambled huevos of our brains, is the things like that that are actually interdimensional. So there are phenomenon that are emerging from other dimensions that occasionally interface with this dimension of 3D space time. And people will call them alien, but they're not.
So this is a little more of a nuance. But since you brought it up earlier, I thought I'd provide that point of clarification. A lot of people will see something like that.
And there is evidence for strange, like stranger things, right? And those can be from another dimension, but they're not. of extraterrestrial. An extraterrestrial biological entity is from another star system and planet. But here's where you get the crossover confusion.
To go from point A to B, they are dropping out of linear space-time and traversing other dimensions. So some of the phenomenon that's extraterrestrial looks very, very close to something from another dimension, almost like poltergeist or what have you. So...
All of this has to be, I wrote a whole section of one of my books on extraterrestrials and the new cosmology. And we sort of need a new cosmological order and phyla and understanding to be able to distinguish between man-made stagecraft, extraterrestrial, and other, let's just call it weird stuff and strange stuff. what we live in a time where people don't want to exert the intellectual discipline to do that nuancing and they just lump everything together.
So now the alien is so popular. That's why I don't use the word alien because to me, alien has become sort of a catch-all term for everything people don't understand. And in reality, it's several things.
Well, when I asked Neil deGrasse Tyson, if he believes in God. The first thing he said was, which God are you talking about? Because there's been thousands of gods throughout human history.
But to be specific, he said, based on all the, you know, the learning that he's done about the universe, he can't find any evidence that there's some sort of intelligent being that sort of supersedes the universe that's somehow directing the universe in certain types of ways. He finds it all to be random. So when you say, do you believe in God? Is there, is it, which God?
Is it Zeus? Is it Poseidon? Is it the Jewish God? Is it the Christian God?
Because the Jewish God from the Old Testament is filled with wrath, okay? All right? And smoting and smiting and whatever the past tense verb is. And so, in the New Testament, God is kinder, all right? A little nicer, yeah.
Yeah, all right. So, you look at all of this and say, is that the God you want me to comment on? Or is there some other God? Typically, it's the Judeo-Christian. blend there.
In that context, I would say in my studies of the universe, I value evidence and I don't see evidence for any kind of active intelligence or power over anything. You know, when you look at any sort of phenomenon, yes, a phenomenon happened, but randomly other phenomenons will happen as well. So based on all... you know, you're learning throughout, you know, your time here on earth. Do you believe in God and are you religious at all?
Oh yeah, I believe in God and I believe in these other dimensions and an afterlife because when I was 17, I died. I had an extraordinary near-death experience. But as far as organized religion, there's the good and the bad in all of them. And I tend to be aware that demagogues have ruined almost all spiritual traditions.
And I can't think of one. that hasn't been corrupted by men okay but yes i do believe there is an the word god is uh you know sort of misused but i'm referring to sort of an unbounded conscious intelligent supreme being right i'm not talking about somebody's statue or idolatry so yes i'm quite sure that exists And in my own life, I've seen great evidence of it. And frankly, before I was a doctor, I was. everybody laughs because I'm dating myself here. I was a meditation teacher and I was with the Maharishi and went all over in the early 70s setting up meditation centers.
And the reason I did was after my near-death experience, which I did have an experience of that sort of universal aspect of our own consciousness, I discovered that the nature of conscious awareness itself at its deepest level is that great being. It was an amazing experience. So I think people are always looking outside when they should discover it inside.
You talked about how, well, you said you'd actually met an alien being before. And you also pointed out the different various types of aliens that you said have made contact with Earth over the years. Now, are any of these aliens?
humanoid enough to actually mate with actual humans and create mixed human-alien offspring? I doubt it. There are some species, there's one species in particular would look like first cousins, but what I know about embryology and reproduction, I'm not so sure that that would be possible without it being done artificially. Now, I mean, obviously...
With CRISPR and with cloning and other technologies, you could do some things. But in terms of, let's just call it normal reproduction, I doubt that very seriously. Well, right.
I mean, you need to really be aligned in terms of your DNA to create offspring. So, for example, a donkey and a horse could have sex, but they'll create a mule, which cannot recreate itself. But they can't actually create a mule. They can create a genetic offspring that's a mix between the two.
It just can't reproduce. So this gets into this whole question of have these sort of experiments been done in classified projects? And the answer is yes. And so there are some rather monstrous programs that would make Mingala in Nazi Germany, the doctor there who did all these horrible things. with human experimentation would make him blush.
And I know about them, and I know people who've worked in them. So have there been some of these things done by humans, not by the ETs? Yes. And, you know, you get into some very strange life forms, let's call them, that look partially human, partially extraterrestrial, as a result of these programs.
I know there's one that was operational out at... at Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah. We have a man who was there who saw this. So scientifically, there's no reason why a bunch of mad scientists in covert programs with what they have couldn't do it.
And my problem is to what end and under what ethical universe? But also, could these objects, these sort of life forms be used, again, in a deceptive operation? The false flag, yes.
So this is one of the big problems is that this is like a stinking onion. You pull this back and it's one layer after another. You think you've gotten to the center of it.
There are 30 more layers. And that's unfortunately what I've been trying to do for 33 years. But and every time I think I've hit the end of how gruesome and crazy these covert programs get, I hit another sub-basement of crazy.
And I just learned of the worst one two weeks ago. And what is that? I mentioned what Michael Herrera, the Marine, saw in transporting humans in these crates. Well, a man who is currently very high up in these covert programs contacted me and said, and I've since been meeting with him, those were used in human experimentation. to, and they were recruiting and selecting people in very poor, desperately poor countries who said, yeah, get me out of here.
And they would take them, crate them up, take them to a place out in the desert. I know where it is. And they would, were selected for having a high telepathic or precognitive, what's called P3 and psychokinetic capabilities.
And those people. were then used in human experimentation with machinery to create a human-machine conscious interface to be able to basically take over the conscious technology interface guidance systems of ET craft to basically hijack them, bring them over to sites. and hit them with electromagnetic pulse weapons. Now, you can unpack that for a few years, what I just told you, but I know for a fact that that program is ongoing.
In fact, I'm planning to go out to this site soon to deal with it directly. So, you know, we're moving very, very quickly. It's a shame that the Congress is moving at the speed of a glacier, as is, of course, the mainstream media.
Of course, the mainstream media never covers anything important. A show like yours can't, but, you know, I mean, ABC and CNN and Fox, they're never going to cover anything relevant. Well, this is my last question. You obviously have a very large following. In our last interview, millions of people tuned in and listened to what you had to say.
But to be fair, I would say the majority of the population feels that you're a conspiracy theorist because. they have yet to see any actual physical proof. You know, you showed us a picture and you've talked about various things that you've seen and so forth, but can you actually pull out, I don't know, an alien hand or a piece of a spaceship that's clearly not man-made?
Do you have any of these things in your possession that at some point you're going to pull out and say, look, here is the proof that cannot be denied? Well, do you have a nuclear trigger and a thermonuclear warhead? No, I do not.
Okay. Have you stated to people that you're certain we have thermonuclear weapons and nuclear triggers? Well, we've seen Hiroshima happen.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So I'm going to turn the tables on you. Of course, we don't have something like that. Now, do I know where they are?
Are we advising law enforcement where they can go get it? Yeah, but that's not my job. I'm not the president and I'm not Congress. I'm a retired emergency doctor doing the best we can do with limited resources. We don't have your kind of wealth.
And so what I'm saying is that people who have those objects, we know who they are and where they are and where we can go get them. But you're not going to go in there and ask pretty please. And certainly I don't possess that kind of material because if I did, it would be released instantaneously. Now, we convict people and execute people for murder with one or two witnesses and some forensic evidence.
We have 755. firsthand witnesses to what's going on and thousands of documents and all this evidence and videos and whatever, that's enough to make the case. I don't need to drag a dead body out of Area 51. And to say that if that's the basis for launching a governmental investigation, there's no point doing it. But it's also a bit of a cynical canard because there are people who make assertions all the time about things they know to exist, but they can't produce them. Very few people can produce.
a thermonuclear weapon, although everyone on earth believes they exist because they do. So I think that's just an analogy I'm using in this case, but you could do that for a number of issues. And I think that there's more evidence for this than there is for black holes, right?
Or many of the other foundations of physics that people... would refer to. So what I point out is that, you know, we are not, we can't set the bar so high that no one can get over it until the government and law enforcement go in and secure these assets.
And the people who have worked in those places, I'll tell you a little story. One man I know who worked in a very sensitive facility like this, there was a piece of paper that had very sensitive classified information on it. He crumpled it up and threw it in a trash can.
guards with weapons came in within moments and said, what did you just do? Went over and picked this thing up and said, this is not how you dispose of that. Something like this.
So, and this is someone who'd been on my team for 15 years. So people have to realize no one's marching into one of these highly classified areas and dragging at the hand of an ET out. Or now, if someone does, please contact me because that we will release immediately.
And if I get a national security order slapped on me, I'll do a big buzz off, right? So, but until that happens and until the government authorizes a team to go in there and get this and show it to the members of Congress and the American people, we're going to, unless something falls into our lap, and I don't rule that out. I don't rule it out. We may, in fact, have something like that happen down the road, given the speed at which people are defecting from. these organizations.
I have one man that I just recently met with who had been involved in transporting. the biologicals, the bodies from E.T. Kraft.
And this person is still fully operational at a site. So it may be that at some point we will be able to take possession of that kind of material. But right now, I certainly don't have it. Well, right.
But when you say that someone like this, someone who works in these top secret organizations, are too scared to release some of this information. I don't know if I can agree with you because in my line of work, I mean, for example, I interviewed one of the people in the car who was responsible for Tupac's murder. He wrote a book about it and did multiple interviews about it. And now he's being faced with this murder charge 26 years later because of what we call in this world clout chasing. You know, he was willing to give up potentially the rest of his life in a jail cell in order to get some short-term publicity.
Whoever pulls out. an alien hand or a part of an alien spaceship will become the most famous person on earth for a good amount of time. It will also become a multi-billionaire and everyone will pay top dollar to interview them. And they, they would be killed long before they got it out of the facility. I mean, these are shoot to kill orders.
I've been at these facilities. Um, you know, I, this is just a fantasy and the murder of a rapper is a no wise can be related. Or compared to the security, what I call OPSEX, operational security around these sort of projects.
It's another canard. And you yourself, I remember I was impressive for your last interview, but my cameraman in Los Angeles told me that when you pulled up, you had what he described as like almost an armored vehicle. You had security around you and so forth. Is this something that you keep 24-7?
I keep it when I'm on an up. project that requires it. So there's some, I want to get into detail, but yeah, it was a very heavily armored up vehicle with a former special forces guy who is heavily armed to protect me.
But, you know, it's, it's something I don't, it's necessary sometimes. Okay. Well, Dr. Stephen Greer, I really appreciate you sitting down with us for the second time. Definitely very interesting topics here that.
People have been wrestling with since the dawn of time and will continue to wrestle with until there is absolute proof one way or another. So I appreciate the information you gave. And I really want everyone to take this and to do their own research and come to their own conclusions because there are ultimately a lot of unanswered questions out there. There are. And, you know, hopefully that an interview like this will have people asking more questions.
Right. And digging into these answers themselves, because sooner or later we will have some answers. And hopefully within our lifetime.
And by the way, anybody who's a whistleblower who has access to this information, wants to come forward, they should contact us. Because we have a mechanism for them to come out, give the information to the Congress and to the White House. Okay, and how do they contact you?
At our website. You can put it up there. Siriusdisclosure.com. S-I-R-I-U-S.
Disclosure.com. And there's a box there for military witnesses. And they can also contact me on our social media sites because we will monitor it for that as well.
That's what it is. Dr. Stephen Greer, I appreciate the time. And hopefully we will talk again once some more things come out and we get to pick your brain once again.
Thank you. Let's do it again. Let me know if you come to D.C. We can go out and have fun.
Let's do it. All right. Take care. Bye-bye.