Lecture on Contested Logistics in a Modern Warfare Environment

okay well terrific well good morning ladies and gentlemen my name is Mark Faulkner and I'm the president of the institute for defensive business and together this morning with Major General Jim Boozer who is the Executive Vice President of the National Defense industrial Association I'd like to welcome you to this morning's panel on contested Logistics and this morning this morning is really a professional development a leader development opportunity to talk about a subject that is uh getting a lot of visibility these days and it's woven into key documents for our nation for good reason we'll hear more about that uh here in a minute I'll turn it over to our moderator here in a second and uh and she will introduce our distinguished panel but uh far too many leaders to uh to introduce by name um both in here we have about 100 folks here and we have about 150 that are attending virtually but but there are a couple individuals in particular I'd like to welcome by name and uh the first is uh Chris Holman who's the assistant assistant secretary of defense for sustainment and knows a little bit about contested Logistics so uh Mr secretary thank you for being here uh honorable Kathy Miller is not with us but Steven Hyde is Stephen thank you for being here and Stephen Hyde is uh the uh president of executive development for the University of North Carolina and also our partner uh for the Logitech program for that idb delivers together with UNC Keenan Flagler executive development also Mr Brad hunt who's the vice director of Defense Logistics agency thank you for being here Brad as well a couple a quick thank you to sponsors ndis Business Institute and their law division Kevin samples here with us Kevin thank you and linguist as well so uh without any further Ado uh I'd like to turn it over to uh Lieutenant General Judy feder U.S Air Force retired also the vice chairman of our board for the institute for defense and business and Judy has agreed to be a moderator for it this morning so Judy over to you thank you General Faulkner and uh it is a pleasure to be here and a distinct honor to introduce the distinguished panel today for the discussion on capacity Logistics um and I'd like to start out with introducing from your right to left to honorable um Secretary of the the under secretary for Commerce for industry and security and uh which advances U.S national security foreign policy and economic objectives through export controls and strategic technology we're going to hear more about that specifically applied to contested Logistics and many here in the audience know um secretary Estevez has got a long and distinguished career and Department of Defense culminating as principality under secretary of defense for acquisition technology and Logistics and um there's nothing about material Readiness and Logistics and the secretary doesn't know Logan Jones very honored to have Mr Jones here today president and general manager and board member of spark uh cognition government services which is a full spectrum artificial intelligence company devoted to government and National Defense Mission and uh prior to Smart technician Mr Jones was a Boeing vice president mobility and a committee chair at Aerospace Industries Association um next is uh Lieutenant General Stephen galenka who is Deputy commander of india-pacific command and uh we're really honored to have General scalinka come here from all well almost halfway across the world and uh his exposure and knowledge of the theater is going to be a pivotal to our discussion today he has 30 over 34 years of active community service with the Marine Corps and Logistics and Leadership and and you can note from his bio if you had a chance to read that he has been deployed in almost every named Operation as a leader in the last few decades um and certainly um not least is General Stephen Lyons U.S army uh retired he last served as the commander of U.S transcom uh there are 38 year career with the Army and currently in significantly for our discussion today General Alliance is part of the administration as the port and supply chain Envoy working with the Department of Transportation White House National Economic Council and the private sector span ports rails trucks um and he works supply chain issues which are pertinent to our discussion here so to get into our discussion um you know Warfare changes over time but the necessity of logistics is enduring and as more adversaries seek ways to deny disrupt or disable our ability to execute Logistics operations in all domains we need the collective of military private sector government and partners to identify and address the challenges that we're facing today and there is no shortage shortage of discussions and dialogue about operating uh Logistics in a contested environment today and we're going to hear um from our distinguished panel about some ways to think about this issue um some solutions some potential Solutions opportunities and constraints uh across the spectrum of their expertise so in event uh I'm going to ask our distinguished Catalyst to provide a short opener their initial thoughts on the topic and then we're going to get into some questions some of which came from the audience including of course our virtual audience that have been kind of bounded together to uh to provide a rich discussion so with that um if I could turn it over to secretary esevez and ask that you please speak into the microphone now at least in our virtual audience Roger that thank you Judy thanks Mr ndia and idb new organizations I've been closely associated with the class of my life behind the scenes uh so thanks well thank you to this audience all who will be sitting up again on this stage quite frankly there's lots of people in this audience who I don't know other people leader development because that's as I said they can easily be up here uh talking about this and then I want to say real quickly why is the under Secretary of Commerce for industrated security up here talking about contested Logistics aside from the fact that most of you know as you mentioned I do have a little bit of a background but I am going to tell you why Commerce is going to be the key player in that as we go through our points to that when you think about contested Logistics you have to think it uh at all level tactical operational strategic conductive Logistics environment that we're going to be in and uh any kind of conflict and schemes that really had a lot of people like this area is going to be from the flight line box Hall ship all the way back to the factory installation industrial base uh we as a nation if you think about how we're going to be agile and mitigate those risks so that we can still employ of course and there's some things that we need to be doing in that but Commerce as well with us uh for those of you who follow such things we just put out a couple of them export control rules that seem to have made a little bit of practice around China and semiconductors uh as General Supply were just talking those are shaping actions that need to be done now there's more to be done in aspects so we've stopped the Chinese from doing is be having access to the highest end semiconductors uh for use in AI super Computing modeling and things like that all which are going to become important for us and we've stopped them from accessing the tooling to build that level of semiconductor um and in fact we actually have a Playbook that we would use if something started to break out uh in an environment of what we would do to start shaking early on so what used to be called phase you know we've developed that Laura e-commerce and faculty in the department of treasure uh and if you also noticed It's Quickly we are strangling Russia's ability to reconstitute self-rex or controls 70 of the clients semiconductors go and Rush up you know 60 decline in overall trade to follow uh some of the you know China India places that are not in Coalition you know Coalition 37 Nations uh what used to be called the West that of uh the controls on Russia and their ability to build the Precision Gunner weapon in the future is going to be minimal they've already shut down Bank factor is an auto class so they are pulling chips that are washing machines for their future use uh not a good way if you want to go uh award the last thing I'm going to say is when we start thinking about how to mitigate things we need to think about tackle what you're going through that but if we're not thinking about how we use Ai and the logistics system we aren't missing the vote we need to start thinking about how we're going to pull data and use the data that we have and find out it's the logistics is going to have lots of lots of data which uh we are not using to Advantage and then we need to be more agile on how that bit is used so that we're not you know pushing stockpiles forward or waiting for a pull forward that we are more dynamic in how we resupply forces on the battlefield and then how we casually jump between Roblox and airports and our air facilities as we do that I'm not sure if that Alliance has sequence on that when we stop there and forward your questions Mr Johnson all right I think I've learned what the definition of distinguished panel means since that's what happened here so thank you for having me uh I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to talk about a very important topic prior to this is as Judy mentioned I spent a lot of time with Boeing Company and specific to that you know a range of issues everything from production issues all the way into investing in emerging technology and when we look at emerging technology a lot of it is through the lens of where we think the future is going across different market segments related to Aerospace Independence but specific to this Mission what we've dedicated ourselves to and I think one of the implications of confessive logistics is the shortening of the loop between the mission itself all the way back to the production system of Supply base and the opportunity that that creates for us to drive change into the system it's transformational so what you see what I see at least in terms of Technology development and deployment is you see a lot of you know peace part solutions that tend to touch on a number of these different segments but let me give you an example there's a number of Investments companies customer initiatives that are investing in what I call domain awareness battle Space Management right if I can see what's happening in the environment if I can collect data around emerging threats how can I respond appropriately yet if that technology development is divorced from your ability to respond what assets do I have available in America in the given area what is my stores and supplies look like what are the logistics implications of moving things from A to B how can we truly inform a course of action to a commander in the field to take appropriate actions how do we understand how risk builds in the system every step all the way back from the mission itself into the supply base it's the convergence of many segments all at once right battle and supply of eggs coming together in every step of the journey now one of the key enablers that you know I I think a company like ours can't talk enough about is the importance of data here's a little shorthand if you hear a company talking about artificial intelligence saving the world without an appropriate focus on data it's probably not going to happen the ability for a company to derive to insights true actionable insights depends on robust quality Data Systems as I look at the commercial market and experience in the commercial market and think about the transition and application for the idea of the mission a lot of the gulf that we're contending with is the availability of good data and I'm I'm extremely encouraged by recent moves with cbao I think Dr Martel is doing an outstanding job what I would call j3 3.0 really big push into the data sets and making them available one of one additional final implication is once data is available how do we share it and what what does that mean um my my last position at Boeing I was an investor that's a number of different startups and there's a theme that starts to come to the surface called dual use technology everybody heard of that dual use what you do but dual use as it's connected to the data sources I actually think it's a bit of a red herring like many of the Technologies we leverage every day whether it be in our civilian Alliance in the mission itself our dual use right they're used across the Spectrum as it connects to the data set it really depends on your dedication and focus to leverage the information that data you have and drive specific actionable insights to those who need it we call that dual use I guess it's built upon do we use Technologies but that last mile truly matters so I I I'm hopeful that the discussion today connects from from Mission all the way back to the data that generated all the way across the logistics chain and again thank you for having me you're welcome um well good morning everybody uh it's great to see some more friends here and I use the word all the most endearing and also it's good to see some some former bosses uh so anything that I say up here that you'd like please keep me depending anything you don't like only a couple of guys are sitting in the front computer um but in all series it really is willing to be up here and be able to speak to you all about about some stuff um and give you some perspectives from someone who's continued to force company's way through the Marine Corps um I think that what I want to do is give you just a sense for how Inno Pacific command looks at the Joint fight and understanding that there is absolutely the the Bible role that Logistics plays and this is not just you know trying to Pat ourselves on a batters organization we talk about how important we are to make ourselves feel better about ourselves the reality is I mean I've been out there for coming up on three and a half years I uh was initially the J5 the director of strategy and policy I'm telling you that it is that theater is about logistics it is a massive region absolutely massive anyone who has blown out their knows that there's no such thing as as a quick flight there you know people I hear people sometimes complain about the long flight from DC to San Francisco that gets you halfway to Hawaii and Hawaii is halfway to the theater now I'm not a phoenix major that means a lot of time you know and that's by air uh so the idea of the impact of logistics has is significant I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about a couple of main points though one uh and I think the real value is going to be in the discussion now uh after this um I'm coming to you for help though and I'm going to need need your assistance in helping to solve the issues that I've got I'm going to talk about three principal points that I think characteristics I need to find a Joint Force that's going to be over Excel you give me these three things in a Joint Force and I think you're going to have a pretty formidable Force Academy view I'm a simple simple marine and so I'm going to put it on I'll first uh give you how I look at these three and I'll explain over further but I got to be able to see the enemy threat uh I gotta be able to Blind the enemy threat and I'd be able to kill the end I mean it's pretty simple I can do all three of those things I should win blind the enemy threat when I'm talking about who is denied him the ability to see me sense me hear me whatever above essentially counter C5 isrt I've got to be able to have systems out there that enable me to to control what you see an apple the flip side of that I need them to be able to see or I need to be able to see him I need to be able to see see sense and hear him and not just me I need all the folks who are working with me who I'm working for and who are working for me to be able to do the same thing I need to have what I'm talking about is Target quality real time all time um my third party caught today a common operating picture it doesn't necessarily mean that that at the combatant command level the company level needs to see everything I'm saying well I'm talking about being able to make sure that you have a general shared picture and I don't think we're too far off from that I mean Google Earth gives you some some idea of what I'm kind of looking at here but uh on a much greater greater granularity than scale but also the ability to discern what point and pull out the points that you want to see in this page so that enables me I figured out now I'm blinding them I can see them now I gotta be able to take care of them destroy them and by that I'm talking about um connecting and integrating uh long range and short range kinetic and increasingly non-kinetic fires what I'm seeing right now um you know really left the phase two is a significant part of this thing so I got to be able to and I'm looking at the non-kinetic effects that in particular coming out of the space space domain the Cyber domain and the information domain that will enable me to get a decisive advantage of it integrating all those with the kinetic pieces and this is where I think we're seeing a significant part of what where Logistics can help because part of our action about that we've heard we read every day about the challenge that we have a defense industrial base and being able to keep up with the munition requirements and demands of but now we are not actually actively involved in imagine's going to happen we have to fight an enemy that has a lot greater requirements and Supply an army that is a lot bigger that has a lot greater requirements than you creating on um but this with with the the ability to combine those and understand and complement the kinetic and non-kinetic fires and effects it tells you can start managing your Munitions a lot more effectively now the idea is we ran out of money now we got to start the bank well that's part of that of that equation here so you bring all those three together if I don't see him come all that though is tied together I believe by um the ability or the requirement to project our power and to sustain our force and so the well well all three of those things you didn't hear the L word in any of those they are all tied together by the logistics we've got to be able to figure out how to do it and we and we're going to have to do it you know when you talk about what contested Logistics it was uh General father say there's about 150 people or 100 people in here 150 people out there if I asked every one of you with contestant Logistics course include the guy who wrote it we're worried yeah and wrote the whole Dodge report you're gonna get 250 different answers for me again simple guy we're going to be operating in an environment unlike anything any of us have ever experienced we've had pretty much free reign in the maritime space where we've been operating operating since I've been meaningful um we've we've had some challenging airspace issues but mostly has been in the form of ground threat to air not so much area we're talking about an entirely different fight we're talking about something that our grandparents endured you know we're talking about something that's going to have casualties at a rate much more significant than what any of us have ever experienced a bad day for us still a bad day was when fajita went down in iraqarah Afghanistan that's that's a number that we're going to give in in minutes in this fight and once it's going to tie all this together again Logistics to be able to execute one of the most um I believe challenging and you know the planetary contested conditions in which we've offered it so I'm looking forward to you guys helping me figure out how to do this thing the last piece I looked over in sausible reminders is um key to this will be able to operate in a dispersed manner across a wide theater you know being able to connect all those groups and we think that we're going to be able to bring stuff out there as this fight as unfolding yeah hopefully we'll do some of that we better have a good preposition plan because we've got to have assets pre-position and it can't be just pre-positioned on land you better have multiple applicants out there I've got to have a force that is resilient you know what everybody has a definition resilient to me a resilient force can take a hit they can absorb that hit and it won't be a catastrophic kid so that's what that's the benefit of disposal piece uh a royal reporter hearing from all of you and we've got you soon hey thanks Steve I appreciate that you you nailed it by the way in terms of the chat I'll come back to people with uh Jones point and just talked about hey first of all it's good it's good to be here it's good to see so many great friends and uh you know reunite from Days of past and Mark thanks for putting this together you and Judy and yeah and thank you lohman's great to see you I appreciate your leadership and particularly happy to see uh secretary Estevez up here because uh I'm telling you uh it was a huge win for the nation to get his experience from DMD inside of Congress uh and they and and they pulled them in there for a good reason uh even though it took her forever to get you finally there but uh to his point right Treasury and commerce and the holy government play an enormously big role in Shady conditions for National Security and the International Security objectives the defense department at the wartime level is the last resort right when everything else when everything else has failed here so there's a an enormous amount of activity more so than I've seen in the past that that is interagency focused right on setting the conditions for American prosperity and uh defense and National Defense so that really great call to have uh Commerce here and just you know on this topic and I've spoken on this topic a few different times it can be a daunting discussion when you think about you know from Fox all the way back to the factory you start to think about you know the ifs and the what ifs and you know the sky is falling and and you know you quickly get into the Chicken Little effect and I think I think that's the wrong approach that's not the approach this audience hey and so I just made his purpose uh two is risk management and three is what are we seeing for the future in terms of logistics Trends relative to what channel is collector just talked about so first and foremost I'll start with purpose and it just like a nailed it right it is it's not about the distance it never is it's about generating a combat credible force that can deter and when the turrets fail they can win decisively and rapidly and Logistics as an enabler right enables us to project the force and sustain a force on a global scale a strategic comparative advantage that is unshared by any other nation in the world and our administries understand this and it's all supported by an enormous constellation of like-minded allies and partners that provide critical networks and access invasion this constellation of allies and partners is also a strategic competitive advantage to the United States of America so it's about thinking through how do we do that under rapidly changing conditions particularly as Jonas Glenco pointed out against a near-appear adversary in a very variable complex environment in all those businesses so I just don't want to forget about purpose because we can easily get caught up into so many disparate and distinctive areas of logistics from arm fixed Fuel and you know Depot and all those things incredibly important but if they're not aligned and an end-to-end fashion for the outcomes that were charged to to achieve with a nation which is to be able to write reject and sustain that Force to achieve our national language that's critical we've been able to do that and that positional advantage that we have with our with our Global consolation of Partners provides us you know physical psychological right advantage over our abstracts so really important second point I just say is risk management again it's easy to think the sky has fallen there's so many areas you can so many rabbit holes that can go down when you think about logistics and potential vulnerabilities it is an enormously large attack surface there's no question about it not all vulnerabilities are equally consequential and this is where the hard work is really done as as folks start to think end to end where are those vulnerabilities of greatest consequence where an adversary could eventually write the grade or deny our ability to project and sustain combat power on a global scale it is not everything right and so we have to be equally sensitive to what we invest in and what we decide not to do because we cannot buy into this idea that everything is a problem and everything has to be resourced that's called bankruptcy and our adversaries will benefit from bankruptcy and so we have to be cognizant of where the most important Investments have to be and where resilience is absolutely essential to continue operations right to prevent the projected sustainment board and then the last point I'll make is really about the logistics transmission I think John's like a really nailed this right when you think about you want to think about an indo-pacific uh kind of kind of scenario and you want to think about multi-domain Concepts that are emerging and have emerged and a lot of a lot of testing going on out there I mean when you think about the speed when you think about the level of lethality when you think about consumption and damage and destruction inside that battle phase when you think about all the sustainment requirements to synchronize that time and space to make sure that the combat potential that's being degraded every day is replaced on a rapid rapid scale and then you can continue to fight and continue to gain advance and do all those things that Joseph click had just talked about that takes uh that takes a level of integration so Logistics isn't just an enabler it's a warfighting function in a warfighting function has to be fully integrated with all the other warfighting functions this is a different this is a different mindset we used to only think about that in a tactical sense now we have to think about it the operational strategic industrial basis how do we integrate intelligence counterintelligence fires lethal modeling maneuver all these kinds of things we're going to have to fight to get to the fight how do we project and sustain a force under all domain persistent attack where are those vulnerabilities that are most consequential that I could see definitely degrade or deny our ability to meet our national aim that would be uh part of the equation the last point I'll leave you with as you think about the future and all the demands of logistics that are increasing if you just take a legacy force and you throw it into that environment your logistic demands are going to be unsustainable I mean it's just you know you can you can see it right I've I've seen all the modeling and all the war plans and every every plan they bought into me when I was a transcom commander and every iteration became larger and larger and larger so the reverse side to the side of this when you think about it is and and again the general scoinker's Point here how do you think about other ways to compel our adversary to meet our entity without the enormous Logistics sustainability footprint that that comes with a legacy Force I'm not talking about I'm not talking about solar power I'm not talking about you know 3D printing that's not what I'm talking about you cannot scale that ladies and gentlemen to the level that we're talking about today as I look at you know movement everything every human every truck every vehicle in a city the size of Cincinnati somewhere over his aor and then sustaining an indefinitely for a period of time you know we have to think about what are those other means to get the effects that we're looking for that don't have that Logistics requirement necessarily Logistics won't go away this is not magic it's hard work anyway it's a pleasure to be with you I really appreciate it I look forward to the Q a thank you thank you generalize I'd like to follow up with something that uh was going like I said when you talk about being able to see blind and kill any enemy threat and the comment that contested Logistics may have a different definition from everyone and you mentioned kinetic and non-kinetic and you know in the dialogue and what we see in discussions today there are a lot of other of these vulnerabilities as general Lyons mentioned that that perhaps Define what contested Logistics means um regulatory geography climate connectivity uh what What's missing in our dialogue when we talk about what are the threats to uh operating and operating Logistics in an operational environment um and what how do we prioritize those how do we know what's important is it by theater um is it by function what makes contested Logistics and you know how do we how do we make how do we know what tool is important that's a good question the way we look at this is I think when we speak about contestant Logistics the one element we do forget about is that yet we're gonna have to be operating an environment in which our our enemies can be trying to deny us we talk about contestant Logistics as um uh at least a lot of the conversations I've heard have been really about distances uh challenges with the defense industrial base the name of the challenges that are either things that we you know uh are are on our own doing or our lack of better environmental [Music] um but you know when you think about it outside of um dodging some ambushes and and IED threats running in convoys deadly though they were um this is on a much greater scale General Ryan said something and really resonated with music you know we throughout throughout this my career but I've talked a lot about logistics it's really had a tactical and sometimes an operational um thinking to it and the challenge now investigation is it is really a strategic um requirement challenge capability all those important one um I know that when when when I was the J5 in particular we were talking about a requirement to what are the logistics requirements involved to do what whatever we're trying to do um the one thing I we always had to take into account words being able to conduct those actions in the face of of an enemy and I'm talking about having significant capabilities um you know whether you call our most common threat in near period or not because you know I don't know it really matters at this point I consider the prcf here because inside of that front you know that's if someone told me once before you know the difference between um low intestine economy and I have intensity common right well intention confidence when they're shooting at you high intention confidence when you're shooting with me um so I you know when I look at at um the idea we have been a nation that historically has had the Iron Mountain um the Iron Mountain is probably close to as much of a it's an older cliche than because of covid you know as a Christian which is rapidly being being challenged by the phrase in Ukraine as in northern Greece but um it's true of it and I don't believe it Whatever happened I think because they're they're going to be targeted so when I talk about a resilient Force Logistics have to keep part of that we've got to be able to absorb a hit and not have that hit the catastrophic and that to me those are all it's a hodgepodge of stuff that I think that falls into but what I look at when I talk about because that's what disability but so Steve let me just jump in there because some of that is just thinking through it now I mean you know when the patch a lot closed which you can talk talk about us a strategic contested impact even though it wasn't we're shooting impact right because of transdown's agility we flip the switch and we were moving through the ndn now and of course we had a flight some contested place in about uh but that's because they thought through that you know credit the document that happened in China remember thinking through them uh and so we need to start thinking through how that's all going to work now including when we can't see because the lights are out of sticks right and so get out of the map well yeah I mean I I think back to I think it was 2010 in Afghanistan and so we needed rebuild it and you think I mean you couldn't write fiction better than this we had we couldn't get flights across the land because at the same time volcano was erupting I mean Iceland people agree like every which one it was which stopped traffic so I mean this was again there's Herculean efforts that that their reliable organization bla uh that enable us to do these but um a lot of those were reactions and your voice search The Joint Force owes transcom and owes DOA um I think more time to be able to rather than having to have them react all the time I'll stop there Gene one thing for many um in you know you mentioned that right contested Logistics massive massive challenge uh almost unapproachable so one of the things that at least from industry I feel is missing from the conversation is if you were to Benchmark this in other Industries how does it get started it actually gets started with incrementalism in that technology development I mostly focus on software these days once you get that Baseline out it starts to inform the next Loop of development and I think you know from industry what whether it be customer engagements whether it be industry forums everybody's looking to jump to the end state but segment after segment and Commercial markets start with incrementalism so it give you an example of a traditional employment so our company works with a large well gas producer our software helps them manage about 170 million barrels of oil produce per year so fairly big scale on an individual oil rig there's something like 130 000 sensors that updates every second and there's a lot of problems right they have everything from human factor challenges which is safety needs they have issues related to predicting when failures are going to occur so they can be positioned inventory should sound vital familiar where do you start what do you prioritize where they started was basically predicting right so they had Rich sensor data how do we leverage this data to predict that asset failure let's figure out what the implication of that is well it turns out if you can predict a time it was four or five days in advance now it's nine to 14 days in advance the real value that they predicted was in reducing asset downtime right that's a pretty measurable number but what they discovered was that the real savings and value was in the supply basis and we need this by that data we need this expert to arrive at this location to install that and then they started to layer on additional data types additional problem sets but he then expanded to unstructured data hey we have a tremendous amount of insights wrapped up in you know the written word and why I was in maintenance logs what can we do with that and we predict excess violations that will lead to safety events then they have visual data well I can see that somebody's not wearing the right PVP and on and on and on and it's just never ending uh Improvement Loop that's being written and again from industry so much of the conversation is focused on the daunting Challenge and required endscape I think more attention can be focused on the iterative groups of experimentation that can mean written in much sooner um before it becomes a lot I think so that's what I see listen you can't just comment uh Judy because uh Logan's point this is a brilliant observation it works but the Temptation at the programmatic level in the department is to go big you know give me the enterprise resource planning system that's going to solve world hunger I'll tell you it at work yet and it's burned up a lot of cash but if you I tell you what Logan said is really really powerful this incremental approach of small winds to power people at Echelon give them their resources and then take on the obligation at the senior level to set conditions integrated so that they can be more effective so anyway I thought that was good thank you that's a great point uh I want to just pull that spring a little bit more given the the impact of technology on which I think some of the um or developing some of the solution for contested Logistics in the the national defense strategy that was just released last month sites that if the rapid evolution of Technology uh and how it changes the operational picture is going to impact how we can sustain our forces and particularly with supply chain and Logistics operation and Mr Jones you talked a little bit about um the perspective from industry are there some other Lessons Learned again the one that you and general Lions talk about you know maybe we're starting too big but what are some other lessons from industry that we could think about when we think about the problem set and um you know applying those lessons what are some of the constraints in addition to we want you know we want everything all up front what are some of the constraints that are holding this back from using these Technologies to uh to address some of these problems there's a number of things right I think always focused on the absolute most strategic issue and it's one of the constraints we have right that's a it's about measuring risk and getting comfortable with it um one of the constraints I see is again for companies like ours relatively young company there's just a lack of awareness and engagement between companies like ours and you all who live in every day there's an education Gap I think it it's a nice thing to say that again we can leverage technology that's driven insights in the commercial markets some of that's true but unless it's pointed in the right direction and makes it the last mile that's a significant goal significant Gap that will lead to a lot of heartbreak in terms of implementation um you know for for example a little bit out there in terms of Defense anybody ever heard of the company Stitch fix admit it on their clothing company but at their heart they're not including companies they're a logistics company what do they do every month I think at least that'll happen but every month a box shows that were closed well how do they understand what should be in the Box it feels a lot like defense and I'll tell you why so they categorize a customer they put them in with him or her in the category is this a new customer is it based on referral if the referral happened who referred them what's their case is this a new wardrobe are they evolving their Willow Grove where do they live what time of year the customer base then dictates where do I need inventory stores based on inventory how do I produce what's how do I predict what's needed to be produced shipping where and then driving these information leads from customer demand all the way back into production they did it they went fully vertical they produced a manufacturer known Supply but nevertheless it's all about predictability the difference the the goal in this is a commercial company like in this case Patriots or many of our customers they own the incentive across the entire value chain from data generation through the efficiency or effect that's generated and another Gap is this idea that data and responsibility is Federated across the government how do we tie these data sets together and bring multiple parties to the table to derive those insights to change so that's another Gap as compared to commercial markets I want to pull the thread on that a little bit you know um one of the things that can be honestly drop in my open comments is we're a Washington data that is on the floor we're not using pardon now Steve your points is blanket your point uh see them we need to see ourselves and we're that's why New Jersey Champion we're not as good at it as we should be uh so we need to use the data that we have to see ourselves and then we start thinking yes it's going to be more unpredictable than what Stitch fix has but you can start looking at that and federating that data again right back to the industrial base all forward on the battlefield I'm looking at Chris sharpson interlocking a job well I'll check out from the audience here right John Kelvin task force Chris bergner Joseph Bernard uh warp speed they pulled together out of scratch the ability to see down for supplies coming out that we didn't have and you know developing them down to hospitals in the homes the homes and why aren't we doing that which and we need to do that now we need to lay the groundwork now so it's not a pickup game uh to start managing ourselves ourselves on the battlefield so that we have the agility and flexibility to turn the dial on good things go wrong so a real example not stitch fix I'll get back to this one uh about visibility so just a real example that we we probably went with I would say we do uh we work with a large Oil Company um we our platform chefs our assisted in the shipment of three billion barrels of oil oil here right what is in this planning cycle and and how does it relate to defense we talked about enabling those at lower echelons this is what it means sit in front of the screen and not have to worry about the data that's behind it but say look bite of oil is this I have this Refinery producing I have these ports open this ship is in for heavy maintenance and all of this is automated it's it's traceable the fact that oil companies have the incentive and the to drive that visibility down into their daily operations has led them to a much richer environment from which they can drive efficiencies and I would say that that's a real example of potentially dla and how we ship and manage our energy supplies moving into theater itself thank you um sticking with technology is just a little bit um secretary Essen has that happened back to some of the things he said with the your opening comments specifically about export controls in China and protecting our technology and so when when we think about um the importance of trade as a national security imperative to to be you know the economics associated with that how do we subdane healthy trade with something like China or other countries in that aor but yet protect those technologies that would that would impact us militarily and maybe not just for technology but but just trade in general how do we balance that the good and the bad um just to ensure that military is not impact sure uh it's it's actually more complicated than I thought it was going to be when I walked into this job uh because you know the controls that I just put on uh American companies going shipping to China high-end chips you know small part of their inventory but it's still big revenue and for the American Tool makers what I've just done is impacted their ability to do r d and generate Next Generation because I've cut the rabbit however that's not a boundless issue for me uh Securities national security issue will stop supporting my boss secretary Rolando and you know we're gonna into full uh compliance I need to ensure our allies are with us on this because sometimes they get similar product and I won't stop definitely shipping that with China too and that's strong about to engage in a whole bunch of traffic um and I'm pretty confident around that and then it's like okay that's semiconductors and high standard uh what's next so we need to keep looking because technology is advancing you can't sit still it's just a form you need to keep going and frankly what we've done is by ourselves sometimes so you know if you know only the defense game of the Department of office uh so I put all these controls that while other controls what we can do but we didn't play offense too so if I could slow down the Chinese from development capability we better be building building our own abilities to advance our own Social Security interest and those of our allies so you know chips Act is as uh way of doing that on the semiconductor area but we need to keep thinking through what do we need to be doing to play offense while we've put a little a little hold on that playing defense let's not pretend that they're not going to figure out over time how to do this so it's a short period of time that we bought ourselves um I I looked the wrong way I imagine that first of all thank you for what you doing that was um I think I told you earlier actually we've done that earlier in many ways but um [Music] um what gets all publicity is going on so many people some who wants to talk about it for some reasons um and understandable you know they are Ambassador Investments they have significant impacts on about what we've already gone on not just an Asians the best but they're National economies and it's a significant piece of the machine and technological piece with another one of our allies um I'm gonna tell you that the adversary hates that hates August you can tell right away when he deliberately that knowingly incorrectly can play a nuclear propulsion information so I talk about how we're at the United States and Australia and I can Team enough together to flip away weapons and and Asia from True Republicans talk about dancing with abortion but that's the poor one secretary's point the most in my view oh elastic monitors it's the development of emerging technology the reason I like I like this one is because the entire all of our friends will benefit from what comes out of people in Technologies and while the United States has long been a leader in development emergency technology we no longer have the sole purpose you of understanding knowledge of that of those areas and so we had other countries out there and other other sources of intellect and Innovation that we can tap into and work together and um one of the points that I think that's important with all this is for us to push through and get a quick win that helps other countries the reason behind that quick win is it'll help quell a lot of the dissonance that that our our enemies are putting out there and trying to um confuse people regarding the true benefits of what August is still and we can do what's intended to do um and these emerging Technologies go you know we've all quantum computers man machines um I'm gonna I swore I must stay away from saying AI because it's almost become two cliche as well because it has a piece of me but managing team machine learning um autonomous and semi-autonomous vehicles for inspection board again might be going to go but that means it revolves around in the Pacific but that's a pretty workplace to you right now um the idea of being able to have setting on autonomous and autonomous vehicles out there we do wonders I think enabling a resilient for workshop and what distribution of a widely dispersed Force all these things can be put together and they have commercial applications and again I go back to the big advantage of the white boxes Builder 2 which um if anything that is there's only goodness that can come out of code too you think that's that's some of the key pieces in here and how this technique is the important technologies will benefit all right and that they're in life some of the church you know I do have a requirements to protect emerging Technologies uh you know found that when you put out a federal registered notice of who's got emerging Technologies you don't get a good response because the people who are working building Federal Register with this uh and then when you say hey and I want to regulate you that's the next thing when they go to ground uh but nonetheless we need to do that instance most of them have both your dual use comment both Military and Commercial application according to draw the line it hasn't draw the line now you know we have an adversary that uses in the whole military civil Fusion strategy thank you for his law and not base so I have to react to their Glory lines in your comments you talk about purpose risk management and Trends and we talk about preview here pre-positioning uh material in forward operating locations you know traditionally we can all picture what we saw in um theaters around the world you know the piles of more reserved material and lots of stuff and material [Music] um with a threat that exists now the conditions um with the way that the private sector can provide things like supply chain and transportation are the days of big mountains of stuff is that over is there another way uh to think about moving material up to the um to that last Mile and getting into the hands of the Warfighter yes it's a great question I tell you you know the fact is that everything we do in the logistics and sustainment arena is a derivative of operations so when you start to subscribe operations that uh you know require the movement of the city the size of Cincinnati for example or the the rapid dissemination and speed associated with some of the multi-domain operations moving small Force elements very rapidly under over large distances and these kind of things uh the logistics actually goes up now to you know your point about repo is is uh is a great one I mean if if you know if you can call it right in your in your in your playbook and you know what your concept is or where you want to be certainly having things pre-positioned buys you a lot of time and space and time and space is a great detergent because if an adversary knows that you can come if you want to but if you decide to very rapidly uh that's a very powerful dilemma that it causes for the adversary so there's a lot of there's a lot of uh of power and pre-positioning you know to be to be able to create that level of resiliency to agility uh but but at the end of the day um you know the the requirements logistic requirements for the force we have today are enormous and when you start to superimpose some of the conditions that John scalanka talked about it's really not nothing that we've seen only our you know parents or grandparents have seen that level of conflict and that creates a you know that creates a different from kind of a a requirement on your Logistics apparatus we're equal to the tax but I mean we have to be thinking about it now but what you say Steve you know you and I have traveled a lot together you and I have a bunch walk there half people in this room I should say in Afghanistan you could stand anywhere and see 200 containers no matter which way you want we probably can't do that anymore because all I have is a big part so you can't build that Target so that means we need to think through how do we build that capacity in a different way at one point I would also offer with these though is um [Music] you know fundamental element of strategy is that you've got to acknowledge and understanding you've got limited research and we got to apply those limited resources against ends that are National gears have prioritized and we learned that in more colleges and whatnot um the idea that we can outspend and outpace logistically that's pretty easy to do we're not going to do that it's not going to have it and so stick in uh a Bastion a compassion out there or leatherneck um you're asking yourself to to be a massive turtle now we're going to do that that's fine we need to make sure that we understand it can we withstand ahead can we withstand the destruction of that particular area if we can say yes to that and perhaps we can go ahead with that with that um old strategy of stock buying that wants to stock in one location I just don't think we both are going to be able to do that and flip to that no not just paying such a bad picture on all the stories um just because someone has the capability to talk does not mean that he or she can borrow you there's there's truth to that too there are other ways that we can do to make ourselves an auditory there are other ways out there but it's going to require investment talk about it is the nation willing to invest in pre-book for example because they see all the media rightly showed what they believe to be waste and call us on and right and they should do that but we need to be able to demonstrate in this amount of ways you need to be able to have a prepo you know I think you can a strategy not just stayed in one location we also need to invest in things such as ballistic missile defense that we have not had to worry about necessarily investment is a significant requirement if you're going to have these places you've got to protect them um so that happens that happens well what other you know one of the things we were working when I was still a transcom is this concept in space Mobility so just think about this for a second if you can move a c17 size load anywhere in the world in an hour think about the Dilemma of that creation about the options it creates for somebody like Joe Spike and his Commander uh so should you know that bypasses enormous Mass probably to describing but at the end of the day the the level of logistics you have to have in common space is a function of the forces you have arrayed and their geometric positions and that's just a logistics math problem you've got to work through and it requires a lot in our current plan but you can come with other agile approaches that I think create some some effects for you and we we've um our panel here has mentioned uh the defense industrial base and things of comments so what what should um we think about was the commercial industrial base and the organic industrial base what should the U.S military be asking of Industry you know we again Mr Jones you talk a little bit about technology but what else is out there that um that military should be communicating with the industry as a need to counter some of these threats in a contestant logistic environment foreign ERS perhaps at least one person having spent a number of years in Industry this industry specifically this is a little different than hey getting this that and the other thing but I actually think it's a call to action the call to action for people like My Generation people in my generation to be a part of creating the system that rises to the challenge that Joe and I talked about right we are up for the task and in instilling that all the way down through education stem education holding people through universities that is one of the things I think the military can get much more involved with their Senate District in California where Naval acts plan in the headquarters uh at least a program where there's a tremendous amount of feeder schools at the high school level into Tech colleges which then moves into four-year colleges that's the kind of initiative to build a relationship between the military and the emerging generation that's not a bullet that's not an airplane to move things but consistently throughout our history the thing that has won US complex is empowering and enabling the men and women on the force and the people of the U.S and I think that's where it has our little different answer than you might be expecting but we can do more I'll take a little risk if you talk about all this so I want to point out on the other secretary of Commerce not the other secretary of acquisition and sustainment and so they have the assistant secretary for sustainability and funding he might be able to answer this question um but you know we need to do and I agree with everything just set it by the way uh we need to do a better job of incentivizing industry and that means through rfps from the Department to modernize themselves and to secure themselves and that means to go from cyber and understand you there's the blockchain so that they have a supply chain that they've been drawn that's not relying on the adversary in the middle of it which is a problem but there's certainly yeah and and it's not that industry is not doing this it's just not a pace of digitizing manufacturing you know sensors on assembly and you know modern tool tooling that can be managed with ones and zeros the flexibility versus real name in Santa's Manner and with just one added perspective and worked it on 15 years I totally underappreciated the infrastructure that those in this market that's serving this customer and what I've discovered the airplane is it's a little bit like finding yourself to remains of rules and regulations I think helping industry along on that Journey will pull in innovation and you know teaching and building a bridge so they understand why it's so important you know industry would then I think have a more welcomed in hand because I absolutely agree first year of our existence all we did is implement up to the standards of beauty because that is what we want to do that but we need to think through what else do we need to do as a nation well if you want to know what ended up income want to say we had a list and and I say that not so prestigiously because um many of you know that Congressman as the last three years and it's going to happen again required uh the Commander in the Pacific command to provide them they put in the National Defense authorization act um we call I'll call 124x report well I'm not quite sure when the next can be but it's essentially it's section 12 foreign [Music] it's a pretty detailed report classified version many of you still have the classifications um you can get access to it I'm sure and there's also an unclassed version that's that's published as well lines out and and it bends what we need Logistics is a bit in there but also what's important is what I'd ask you to do is don't just look at the logistics then because every single bed is hit by Logistics um we have a buyer's bin we have uh I'll tell you we coordinate ours extensively with the command or sign Upon Us of Easton for example because many of the requirements of data we need out in our theaters to work them together um before this report goes out we send it to the combatant commanders sir I believe you well the first year we had to do it you you had as well and um what we don't do is use that report to advocate for individual service requirements so what for example what you're not going to see in our 12th report is um we need more ddues that's the service requirement to do that we talk more in terms of capability we deliberately don't ident don't Advocate also specifically receivable it's about capable requirements so [Music] that's that's probably one of the best sources oh the last thing I say is we identified by whatever the particular year was Robert and just just across one field a lot um about a command you know all that other stuff that was speculative and all we live in a two three year window well I'd like to um pose the last question and circle back to uh The Joint work fighting concept which was signed last year and it focuses one of the four supporting Concepts or strategy priorities uncontested Logistics and in in the in the jwc it mentions um has a heavy focus on technology and tools like um AI just like if you would agree with me saying AI machine learning virtual management things like that um but I think for the for the end of this discussion let's talk about um because the services are talking about things that they're doing innovations that they are doing to address the issue of confessive logistics um you know reducing reducing demand requirement footprint things like that but what are those areas um that cannot be solved by technology that are some other factor that you know again maybe the services they're looking at that are still involve cyber look at me um [Music] the curse of being include on the board here um the note that I just wrote to myself it's contested with just some of the concept it's not going to solve like this you know and I think that that's I think that's pretty simple um the things are going to help address and and facilitate those Concepts but I think you know with Jada and see what we're seeing um and I'll tell you we I I said we're big Avenues we had our own we started off development we realized in order to integrate our components out there we needed an indo-pacific more bonding concept that we've developed as well now we've worked very very closely with joint staff G7 um I think you're seeing a significant shift you know the question was about I think you asked ma'am about the um Iron Mountain we're going to see those things and I just see that I'm thinking of the machine because they're recognizing that the requirements to happen you know I saw a broken record up here but you know the dispersed Force that's able to decades it's able to uh it's resilient that can operate and not just degrade it but the Night Comes Communications um operate vast distances uh and and and sustain keep keep pushing the the again the thing I like most about how they tied in contestant Logistics I don't know I don't want you for that in there um he he didn't it wasn't like too many other logistics discussions on what we talked about and things and we're just and we got supportive Logistics I mean it's woven throughout the entire cost and so I guess that's the open Point here is industry is going to kind of help facilitate the application of these Concepts but it's it's the thinking behind housing conduct I think that I'm gonna it's it is scarred in my memory now sir the point about you know we need to think about suggestions in a strategic framework that really resonated with me and start talking about um the the time in the defense industrial base a question that I've asked um mentors of mine uh a couple of them are in United [Music] um you know we have a Joint Force with uh land component coming right and Joint Force Maritime components in management forced air compartment [Music] I'm talking about this as a functional action do we need to have it can we do that the idea that Services by title 10 are responsible for their own home support the Army's got title Town logistics for God there is there's there's a lot to be said I mean for the consideration and we we talk about that in the moment we can work on economy and this is not about me looking for another um jtf command opportunity or legislation if it's not what it says um this is about trying to figure out what what is the best can a one service lead in in the type of fight we're talking about the logistics requirements for the entire 24th sector you know we're going to fight as many times why would we have the same services [Music] so I'll leave it at that and I'm sure I'll give you an angry email from some something else was around okay Concepts we need to think through a local building do you think that's the key point there I would just caution that you know we we certainly we get into this space give me just a second about it we think it's making other discussion today it's just hard work as you work through it and and you know it's uh easy to come up with a concept or a PowerPoint presentation that makes it look even easier but the facts deny all that so you know when Joe squinko was still the J5 within their paycom he fought in the the latest window take on warfighting plan which dwarf as the other cocon UT so the the idea here is that you know and I've heard uh folks kind of say this out loud hopefully thinking wishful thinking that you know this other concept of De aggregated operations with high-speed High lethality High cavity rates is all of a sudden going to massively get supported uh by some magical concept or some new technology it's just it's not going to work like that so the way the warfighting concepts are emerging is actually driving Logistics demands up not down now it doesn't have to be in a traditional sense you don't have to that's that's my point about not taking a legacy force and just you know just trying to insert it into the existing construct and all of a sudden you're you know you just bankrupting yourself by more logistic demand than you can possibly get to is thinking more about how do you integrate the logistics warfighting uh you know function into everything that's going on and uh I would just say you know just watch this idea of wishful thinking that somehow there's going to be this magical solution that we're just not going to have to worry about it the physics this is a physics problem and he's got a ujor it's a physics problem the demands are enormous I'm talking about Mobility Munitions fuel energy liquid energy the demands on the concepts that I see for multi-domain and the war fighting plans that I've seen approved by the department are enormously large requirements for Logistics it is a logistics fight out there need no Pacific so I just say you know not not to you know this is this is manageable and we've got to think through the risk but we often have to wish it away because this is a daunting challenge that we can think our way through manage the risk invest smartly accept risk work you know where it's acceptable and then and then keep moving right and then more part of the way it means at which we bring lethal effects which may or may not have the same Logistics demand but the course state of concept and War plans are enormously logistically challenging and that's what this community has to deal with if you know if you're the you know secretary versus David or transcon or whatever the case may have made so I I just you know I just kind of cautious because I hear that sometimes from some pre-sing your leaders that we're going to be at this place in the future where you know we're not going to need Logistics and it's just amazing it's just not reality thank you generalize thank you that was a great way to tie up the comments of the Cinch panel today to again the purpose was to um to maybe change our thinking to broaden the aperture a little bit on how we process what is content operating at a contestant logistic environment what are the problems what are the solutions and how should we be thinking this maybe not in a way that uh that we have for so many years and I'd like to thank secretary Estevez Mr Jones General and general Alliance for um some fantastic perspectives and thoughts um and ideas on how we can think about this in our uh in our endeavors across government military uh private sector and our the Partnerships we have developer Network so um would you join me in a round of applause thank you and before I wrap up how about another round of applause to include our moderator so just a couple a couple of final comments uh that was powerful don't you think I mean it was uh it was tremendous what a rich conversation it exceeded really what we envisioned to get out of this a couple final thank yous uh obviously all our panel members thanks everyone that's here today as well that are viewing virtually ndia and and IDP thank you very much in just a couple I'm not going to go through everything here there's just so much here but let me just leave you with this uh you know one of my takeaways from what I heard this is about the last 90 minutes is about helping close the education yeah right you know if you go in you see what our secretary of defense has talked about when he talks about talent management when he talks about the threat you see what the honorable Omens doing when he talks about educating the logistics Workforce that's what we're doing we're trying to close that Gap and think differently because the problems as you heard are harder than they ever have been and they are more interconnected than they ever have been and it is going to take a whole government approach that's why it's so tremendous to have secretary yes events here so this kind of this is what this is all about we need to continue the discussion to close that Gap and think differently and we look forward to talking to you all again thank you very much for being here

okay well terrific well good morning ladies and gentlemen my name is Mark Faulkner and I&#39;m the president of the institute for defensive business and together this morning with Major General Jim Boozer who is the Executive Vice President of the National Defense industrial Association I&#39;d like to welcome you to this morning&#39;s panel on contested Logistics and this morning this morning is really a professional development a leader development opportunity to talk about a subject that is uh getting a lot of visibility these days and it&#39;s woven into key documents for our nation for good reason we&#39;ll hear more about that uh here in a minute I&#39;ll turn it over to our moderator here in a second and uh and she will introduce our distinguished panel but uh far too many leaders to uh to introduce by name um both in here we have about 100 folks here and we have about 150 that are attending virtually but but there are a couple individuals in particular I&#39;d like to welcome by name and uh the first is uh Chris Holman who&#39;s the assistant assistant secretary of defense for sustainment and knows a little bit about contested Logistics so uh Mr secretary thank you for being here uh honorable Kathy Miller is not with us but Steven Hyde is Stephen thank you for being here and Stephen Hyde is uh the uh president of executive development for the University of North Carolina and also our partner uh for the Logitech program for that idb delivers together with UNC Keenan Flagler executive development also Mr Brad hunt who&#39;s the vice director of Defense Logistics agency thank you for being here Brad as well a couple a quick thank you to sponsors ndis Business Institute and their law division Kevin samples here with us Kevin thank you and linguist as well so uh without any further Ado uh I&#39;d like to turn it over to uh Lieutenant General Judy feder U.S Air Force retired also the vice chairman of our board for the institute for defense and business and Judy has agreed to be a moderator for it this morning so Judy over to you thank you General Faulkner and uh it is a pleasure to be here and a distinct honor to introduce the distinguished panel today for the discussion on capacity Logistics um and I&#39;d like to start out with introducing from your right to left to honorable um Secretary of the the under secretary for Commerce for industry and security and uh which advances U.S national security foreign policy and economic objectives through export controls and strategic technology we&#39;re going to hear more about that specifically applied to contested Logistics and many here in the audience know um secretary Estevez has got a long and distinguished career and Department of Defense culminating as principality under secretary of defense for acquisition technology and Logistics and um there&#39;s nothing about material Readiness and Logistics and the secretary doesn&#39;t know Logan Jones very honored to have Mr Jones here today president and general manager and board member of spark uh cognition government services which is a full spectrum artificial intelligence company devoted to government and National Defense Mission and uh prior to Smart technician Mr Jones was a Boeing vice president mobility and a committee chair at Aerospace Industries Association um next is uh Lieutenant General Stephen galenka who is Deputy commander of india-pacific command and uh we&#39;re really honored to have General scalinka come here from all well almost halfway across the world and uh his exposure and knowledge of the theater is going to be a pivotal to our discussion today he has 30 over 34 years of active community service with the Marine Corps and Logistics and Leadership and and you can note from his bio if you had a chance to read that he has been deployed in almost every named Operation as a leader in the last few decades um and certainly um not least is General Stephen Lyons U.S army uh retired he last served as the commander of U.S transcom uh there are 38 year career with the Army and currently in significantly for our discussion today General Alliance is part of the administration as the port and supply chain Envoy working with the Department of Transportation White House National Economic Council and the private sector span ports rails trucks um and he works supply chain issues which are pertinent to our discussion here so to get into our discussion um you know Warfare changes over time but the necessity of logistics is enduring and as more adversaries seek ways to deny disrupt or disable our ability to execute Logistics operations in all domains we need the collective of military private sector government and partners to identify and address the challenges that we&#39;re facing today and there is no shortage shortage of discussions and dialogue about operating uh Logistics in a contested environment today and we&#39;re going to hear um from our distinguished panel about some ways to think about this issue um some solutions some potential Solutions opportunities and constraints uh across the spectrum of their expertise so in event uh I&#39;m going to ask our distinguished Catalyst to provide a short opener their initial thoughts on the topic and then we&#39;re going to get into some questions some of which came from the audience including of course our virtual audience that have been kind of bounded together to uh to provide a rich discussion so with that um if I could turn it over to secretary esevez and ask that you please speak into the microphone now at least in our virtual audience Roger that thank you Judy thanks Mr ndia and idb new organizations I&#39;ve been closely associated with the class of my life behind the scenes uh so thanks well thank you to this audience all who will be sitting up again on this stage quite frankly there&#39;s lots of people in this audience who I don&#39;t know other people leader development because that&#39;s as I said they can easily be up here uh talking about this and then I want to say real quickly why is the under Secretary of Commerce for industrated security up here talking about contested Logistics aside from the fact that most of you know as you mentioned I do have a little bit of a background but I am going to tell you why Commerce is going to be the key player in that as we go through our points to that when you think about contested Logistics you have to think it uh at all level tactical operational strategic conductive Logistics environment that we&#39;re going to be in and uh any kind of conflict and schemes that really had a lot of people like this area is going to be from the flight line box Hall ship all the way back to the factory installation industrial base uh we as a nation if you think about how we&#39;re going to be agile and mitigate those risks so that we can still employ of course and there&#39;s some things that we need to be doing in that but Commerce as well with us uh for those of you who follow such things we just put out a couple of them export control rules that seem to have made a little bit of practice around China and semiconductors uh as General Supply were just talking those are shaping actions that need to be done now there&#39;s more to be done in aspects so we&#39;ve stopped the Chinese from doing is be having access to the highest end semiconductors uh for use in AI super Computing modeling and things like that all which are going to become important for us and we&#39;ve stopped them from accessing the tooling to build that level of semiconductor um and in fact we actually have a Playbook that we would use if something started to break out uh in an environment of what we would do to start shaking early on so what used to be called phase you know we&#39;ve developed that Laura e-commerce and faculty in the department of treasure uh and if you also noticed It&#39;s Quickly we are strangling Russia&#39;s ability to reconstitute self-rex or controls 70 of the clients semiconductors go and Rush up you know 60 decline in overall trade to follow uh some of the you know China India places that are not in Coalition you know Coalition 37 Nations uh what used to be called the West that of uh the controls on Russia and their ability to build the Precision Gunner weapon in the future is going to be minimal they&#39;ve already shut down Bank factor is an auto class so they are pulling chips that are washing machines for their future use uh not a good way if you want to go uh award the last thing I&#39;m going to say is when we start thinking about how to mitigate things we need to think about tackle what you&#39;re going through that but if we&#39;re not thinking about how we use Ai and the logistics system we aren&#39;t missing the vote we need to start thinking about how we&#39;re going to pull data and use the data that we have and find out it&#39;s the logistics is going to have lots of lots of data which uh we are not using to Advantage and then we need to be more agile on how that bit is used so that we&#39;re not you know pushing stockpiles forward or waiting for a pull forward that we are more dynamic in how we resupply forces on the battlefield and then how we casually jump between Roblox and airports and our air facilities as we do that I&#39;m not sure if that Alliance has sequence on that when we stop there and forward your questions Mr Johnson all right I think I&#39;ve learned what the definition of distinguished panel means since that&#39;s what happened here so thank you for having me uh I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to talk about a very important topic prior to this is as Judy mentioned I spent a lot of time with Boeing Company and specific to that you know a range of issues everything from production issues all the way into investing in emerging technology and when we look at emerging technology a lot of it is through the lens of where we think the future is going across different market segments related to Aerospace Independence but specific to this Mission what we&#39;ve dedicated ourselves to and I think one of the implications of confessive logistics is the shortening of the loop between the mission itself all the way back to the production system of Supply base and the opportunity that that creates for us to drive change into the system it&#39;s transformational so what you see what I see at least in terms of Technology development and deployment is you see a lot of you know peace part solutions that tend to touch on a number of these different segments but let me give you an example there&#39;s a number of Investments companies customer initiatives that are investing in what I call domain awareness battle Space Management right if I can see what&#39;s happening in the environment if I can collect data around emerging threats how can I respond appropriately yet if that technology development is divorced from your ability to respond what assets do I have available in America in the given area what is my stores and supplies look like what are the logistics implications of moving things from A to B how can we truly inform a course of action to a commander in the field to take appropriate actions how do we understand how risk builds in the system every step all the way back from the mission itself into the supply base it&#39;s the convergence of many segments all at once right battle and supply of eggs coming together in every step of the journey now one of the key enablers that you know I I think a company like ours can&#39;t talk enough about is the importance of data here&#39;s a little shorthand if you hear a company talking about artificial intelligence saving the world without an appropriate focus on data it&#39;s probably not going to happen the ability for a company to derive to insights true actionable insights depends on robust quality Data Systems as I look at the commercial market and experience in the commercial market and think about the transition and application for the idea of the mission a lot of the gulf that we&#39;re contending with is the availability of good data and I&#39;m I&#39;m extremely encouraged by recent moves with cbao I think Dr Martel is doing an outstanding job what I would call j3 3.0 really big push into the data sets and making them available one of one additional final implication is once data is available how do we share it and what what does that mean um my my last position at Boeing I was an investor that&#39;s a number of different startups and there&#39;s a theme that starts to come to the surface called dual use technology everybody heard of that dual use what you do but dual use as it&#39;s connected to the data sources I actually think it&#39;s a bit of a red herring like many of the Technologies we leverage every day whether it be in our civilian Alliance in the mission itself our dual use right they&#39;re used across the Spectrum as it connects to the data set it really depends on your dedication and focus to leverage the information that data you have and drive specific actionable insights to those who need it we call that dual use I guess it&#39;s built upon do we use Technologies but that last mile truly matters so I I I&#39;m hopeful that the discussion today connects from from Mission all the way back to the data that generated all the way across the logistics chain and again thank you for having me you&#39;re welcome um well good morning everybody uh it&#39;s great to see some more friends here and I use the word all the most endearing and also it&#39;s good to see some some former bosses uh so anything that I say up here that you&#39;d like please keep me depending anything you don&#39;t like only a couple of guys are sitting in the front computer um but in all series it really is willing to be up here and be able to speak to you all about about some stuff um and give you some perspectives from someone who&#39;s continued to force company&#39;s way through the Marine Corps um I think that what I want to do is give you just a sense for how Inno Pacific command looks at the Joint fight and understanding that there is absolutely the the Bible role that Logistics plays and this is not just you know trying to Pat ourselves on a batters organization we talk about how important we are to make ourselves feel better about ourselves the reality is I mean I&#39;ve been out there for coming up on three and a half years I uh was initially the J5 the director of strategy and policy I&#39;m telling you that it is that theater is about logistics it is a massive region absolutely massive anyone who has blown out their knows that there&#39;s no such thing as as a quick flight there you know people I hear people sometimes complain about the long flight from DC to San Francisco that gets you halfway to Hawaii and Hawaii is halfway to the theater now I&#39;m not a phoenix major that means a lot of time you know and that&#39;s by air uh so the idea of the impact of logistics has is significant I&#39;m gonna I&#39;m gonna talk about a couple of main points though one uh and I think the real value is going to be in the discussion now uh after this um I&#39;m coming to you for help though and I&#39;m going to need need your assistance in helping to solve the issues that I&#39;ve got I&#39;m going to talk about three principal points that I think characteristics I need to find a Joint Force that&#39;s going to be over Excel you give me these three things in a Joint Force and I think you&#39;re going to have a pretty formidable Force Academy view I&#39;m a simple simple marine and so I&#39;m going to put it on I&#39;ll first uh give you how I look at these three and I&#39;ll explain over further but I got to be able to see the enemy threat uh I gotta be able to Blind the enemy threat and I&#39;d be able to kill the end I mean it&#39;s pretty simple I can do all three of those things I should win blind the enemy threat when I&#39;m talking about who is denied him the ability to see me sense me hear me whatever above essentially counter C5 isrt I&#39;ve got to be able to have systems out there that enable me to to control what you see an apple the flip side of that I need them to be able to see or I need to be able to see him I need to be able to see see sense and hear him and not just me I need all the folks who are working with me who I&#39;m working for and who are working for me to be able to do the same thing I need to have what I&#39;m talking about is Target quality real time all time um my third party caught today a common operating picture it doesn&#39;t necessarily mean that that at the combatant command level the company level needs to see everything I&#39;m saying well I&#39;m talking about being able to make sure that you have a general shared picture and I don&#39;t think we&#39;re too far off from that I mean Google Earth gives you some some idea of what I&#39;m kind of looking at here but uh on a much greater greater granularity than scale but also the ability to discern what point and pull out the points that you want to see in this page so that enables me I figured out now I&#39;m blinding them I can see them now I gotta be able to take care of them destroy them and by that I&#39;m talking about um connecting and integrating uh long range and short range kinetic and increasingly non-kinetic fires what I&#39;m seeing right now um you know really left the phase two is a significant part of this thing so I got to be able to and I&#39;m looking at the non-kinetic effects that in particular coming out of the space space domain the Cyber domain and the information domain that will enable me to get a decisive advantage of it integrating all those with the kinetic pieces and this is where I think we&#39;re seeing a significant part of what where Logistics can help because part of our action about that we&#39;ve heard we read every day about the challenge that we have a defense industrial base and being able to keep up with the munition requirements and demands of but now we are not actually actively involved in imagine&#39;s going to happen we have to fight an enemy that has a lot greater requirements and Supply an army that is a lot bigger that has a lot greater requirements than you creating on um but this with with the the ability to combine those and understand and complement the kinetic and non-kinetic fires and effects it tells you can start managing your Munitions a lot more effectively now the idea is we ran out of money now we got to start the bank well that&#39;s part of that of that equation here so you bring all those three together if I don&#39;t see him come all that though is tied together I believe by um the ability or the requirement to project our power and to sustain our force and so the well well all three of those things you didn&#39;t hear the L word in any of those they are all tied together by the logistics we&#39;ve got to be able to figure out how to do it and we and we&#39;re going to have to do it you know when you talk about what contested Logistics it was uh General father say there&#39;s about 150 people or 100 people in here 150 people out there if I asked every one of you with contestant Logistics course include the guy who wrote it we&#39;re worried yeah and wrote the whole Dodge report you&#39;re gonna get 250 different answers for me again simple guy we&#39;re going to be operating in an environment unlike anything any of us have ever experienced we&#39;ve had pretty much free reign in the maritime space where we&#39;ve been operating operating since I&#39;ve been meaningful um we&#39;ve we&#39;ve had some challenging airspace issues but mostly has been in the form of ground threat to air not so much area we&#39;re talking about an entirely different fight we&#39;re talking about something that our grandparents endured you know we&#39;re talking about something that&#39;s going to have casualties at a rate much more significant than what any of us have ever experienced a bad day for us still a bad day was when fajita went down in iraqarah Afghanistan that&#39;s that&#39;s a number that we&#39;re going to give in in minutes in this fight and once it&#39;s going to tie all this together again Logistics to be able to execute one of the most um I believe challenging and you know the planetary contested conditions in which we&#39;ve offered it so I&#39;m looking forward to you guys helping me figure out how to do this thing the last piece I looked over in sausible reminders is um key to this will be able to operate in a dispersed manner across a wide theater you know being able to connect all those groups and we think that we&#39;re going to be able to bring stuff out there as this fight as unfolding yeah hopefully we&#39;ll do some of that we better have a good preposition plan because we&#39;ve got to have assets pre-position and it can&#39;t be just pre-positioned on land you better have multiple applicants out there I&#39;ve got to have a force that is resilient you know what everybody has a definition resilient to me a resilient force can take a hit they can absorb that hit and it won&#39;t be a catastrophic kid so that&#39;s what that&#39;s the benefit of disposal piece uh a royal reporter hearing from all of you and we&#39;ve got you soon hey thanks Steve I appreciate that you you nailed it by the way in terms of the chat I&#39;ll come back to people with uh Jones point and just talked about hey first of all it&#39;s good it&#39;s good to be here it&#39;s good to see so many great friends and uh you know reunite from Days of past and Mark thanks for putting this together you and Judy and yeah and thank you lohman&#39;s great to see you I appreciate your leadership and particularly happy to see uh secretary Estevez up here because uh I&#39;m telling you uh it was a huge win for the nation to get his experience from DMD inside of Congress uh and they and and they pulled them in there for a good reason uh even though it took her forever to get you finally there but uh to his point right Treasury and commerce and the holy government play an enormously big role in Shady conditions for National Security and the International Security objectives the defense department at the wartime level is the last resort right when everything else when everything else has failed here so there&#39;s a an enormous amount of activity more so than I&#39;ve seen in the past that that is interagency focused right on setting the conditions for American prosperity and uh defense and National Defense so that really great call to have uh Commerce here and just you know on this topic and I&#39;ve spoken on this topic a few different times it can be a daunting discussion when you think about you know from Fox all the way back to the factory you start to think about you know the ifs and the what ifs and you know the sky is falling and and you know you quickly get into the Chicken Little effect and I think I think that&#39;s the wrong approach that&#39;s not the approach this audience hey and so I just made his purpose uh two is risk management and three is what are we seeing for the future in terms of logistics Trends relative to what channel is collector just talked about so first and foremost I&#39;ll start with purpose and it just like a nailed it right it is it&#39;s not about the distance it never is it&#39;s about generating a combat credible force that can deter and when the turrets fail they can win decisively and rapidly and Logistics as an enabler right enables us to project the force and sustain a force on a global scale a strategic comparative advantage that is unshared by any other nation in the world and our administries understand this and it&#39;s all supported by an enormous constellation of like-minded allies and partners that provide critical networks and access invasion this constellation of allies and partners is also a strategic competitive advantage to the United States of America so it&#39;s about thinking through how do we do that under rapidly changing conditions particularly as Jonas Glenco pointed out against a near-appear adversary in a very variable complex environment in all those businesses so I just don&#39;t want to forget about purpose because we can easily get caught up into so many disparate and distinctive areas of logistics from arm fixed Fuel and you know Depot and all those things incredibly important but if they&#39;re not aligned and an end-to-end fashion for the outcomes that were charged to to achieve with a nation which is to be able to write reject and sustain that Force to achieve our national language that&#39;s critical we&#39;ve been able to do that and that positional advantage that we have with our with our Global consolation of Partners provides us you know physical psychological right advantage over our abstracts so really important second point I just say is risk management again it&#39;s easy to think the sky has fallen there&#39;s so many areas you can so many rabbit holes that can go down when you think about logistics and potential vulnerabilities it is an enormously large attack surface there&#39;s no question about it not all vulnerabilities are equally consequential and this is where the hard work is really done as as folks start to think end to end where are those vulnerabilities of greatest consequence where an adversary could eventually write the grade or deny our ability to project and sustain combat power on a global scale it is not everything right and so we have to be equally sensitive to what we invest in and what we decide not to do because we cannot buy into this idea that everything is a problem and everything has to be resourced that&#39;s called bankruptcy and our adversaries will benefit from bankruptcy and so we have to be cognizant of where the most important Investments have to be and where resilience is absolutely essential to continue operations right to prevent the projected sustainment board and then the last point I&#39;ll make is really about the logistics transmission I think John&#39;s like a really nailed this right when you think about you want to think about an indo-pacific uh kind of kind of scenario and you want to think about multi-domain Concepts that are emerging and have emerged and a lot of a lot of testing going on out there I mean when you think about the speed when you think about the level of lethality when you think about consumption and damage and destruction inside that battle phase when you think about all the sustainment requirements to synchronize that time and space to make sure that the combat potential that&#39;s being degraded every day is replaced on a rapid rapid scale and then you can continue to fight and continue to gain advance and do all those things that Joseph click had just talked about that takes uh that takes a level of integration so Logistics isn&#39;t just an enabler it&#39;s a warfighting function in a warfighting function has to be fully integrated with all the other warfighting functions this is a different this is a different mindset we used to only think about that in a tactical sense now we have to think about it the operational strategic industrial basis how do we integrate intelligence counterintelligence fires lethal modeling maneuver all these kinds of things we&#39;re going to have to fight to get to the fight how do we project and sustain a force under all domain persistent attack where are those vulnerabilities that are most consequential that I could see definitely degrade or deny our ability to meet our national aim that would be uh part of the equation the last point I&#39;ll leave you with as you think about the future and all the demands of logistics that are increasing if you just take a legacy force and you throw it into that environment your logistic demands are going to be unsustainable I mean it&#39;s just you know you can you can see it right I&#39;ve I&#39;ve seen all the modeling and all the war plans and every every plan they bought into me when I was a transcom commander and every iteration became larger and larger and larger so the reverse side to the side of this when you think about it is and and again the general scoinker&#39;s Point here how do you think about other ways to compel our adversary to meet our entity without the enormous Logistics sustainability footprint that that comes with a legacy Force I&#39;m not talking about I&#39;m not talking about solar power I&#39;m not talking about you know 3D printing that&#39;s not what I&#39;m talking about you cannot scale that ladies and gentlemen to the level that we&#39;re talking about today as I look at you know movement everything every human every truck every vehicle in a city the size of Cincinnati somewhere over his aor and then sustaining an indefinitely for a period of time you know we have to think about what are those other means to get the effects that we&#39;re looking for that don&#39;t have that Logistics requirement necessarily Logistics won&#39;t go away this is not magic it&#39;s hard work anyway it&#39;s a pleasure to be with you I really appreciate it I look forward to the Q a thank you thank you generalize I&#39;d like to follow up with something that uh was going like I said when you talk about being able to see blind and kill any enemy threat and the comment that contested Logistics may have a different definition from everyone and you mentioned kinetic and non-kinetic and you know in the dialogue and what we see in discussions today there are a lot of other of these vulnerabilities as general Lyons mentioned that that perhaps Define what contested Logistics means um regulatory geography climate connectivity uh what What&#39;s missing in our dialogue when we talk about what are the threats to uh operating and operating Logistics in an operational environment um and what how do we prioritize those how do we know what&#39;s important is it by theater um is it by function what makes contested Logistics and you know how do we how do we make how do we know what tool is important that&#39;s a good question the way we look at this is I think when we speak about contestant Logistics the one element we do forget about is that yet we&#39;re gonna have to be operating an environment in which our our enemies can be trying to deny us we talk about contestant Logistics as um uh at least a lot of the conversations I&#39;ve heard have been really about distances uh challenges with the defense industrial base the name of the challenges that are either things that we you know uh are are on our own doing or our lack of better environmental [Music] um but you know when you think about it outside of um dodging some ambushes and and IED threats running in convoys deadly though they were um this is on a much greater scale General Ryan said something and really resonated with music you know we throughout throughout this my career but I&#39;ve talked a lot about logistics it&#39;s really had a tactical and sometimes an operational um thinking to it and the challenge now investigation is it is really a strategic um requirement challenge capability all those important one um I know that when when when I was the J5 in particular we were talking about a requirement to what are the logistics requirements involved to do what whatever we&#39;re trying to do um the one thing I we always had to take into account words being able to conduct those actions in the face of of an enemy and I&#39;m talking about having significant capabilities um you know whether you call our most common threat in near period or not because you know I don&#39;t know it really matters at this point I consider the prcf here because inside of that front you know that&#39;s if someone told me once before you know the difference between um low intestine economy and I have intensity common right well intention confidence when they&#39;re shooting at you high intention confidence when you&#39;re shooting with me um so I you know when I look at at um the idea we have been a nation that historically has had the Iron Mountain um the Iron Mountain is probably close to as much of a it&#39;s an older cliche than because of covid you know as a Christian which is rapidly being being challenged by the phrase in Ukraine as in northern Greece but um it&#39;s true of it and I don&#39;t believe it Whatever happened I think because they&#39;re they&#39;re going to be targeted so when I talk about a resilient Force Logistics have to keep part of that we&#39;ve got to be able to absorb a hit and not have that hit the catastrophic and that to me those are all it&#39;s a hodgepodge of stuff that I think that falls into but what I look at when I talk about because that&#39;s what disability but so Steve let me just jump in there because some of that is just thinking through it now I mean you know when the patch a lot closed which you can talk talk about us a strategic contested impact even though it wasn&#39;t we&#39;re shooting impact right because of transdown&#39;s agility we flip the switch and we were moving through the ndn now and of course we had a flight some contested place in about uh but that&#39;s because they thought through that you know credit the document that happened in China remember thinking through them uh and so we need to start thinking through how that&#39;s all going to work now including when we can&#39;t see because the lights are out of sticks right and so get out of the map well yeah I mean I I think back to I think it was 2010 in Afghanistan and so we needed rebuild it and you think I mean you couldn&#39;t write fiction better than this we had we couldn&#39;t get flights across the land because at the same time volcano was erupting I mean Iceland people agree like every which one it was which stopped traffic so I mean this was again there&#39;s Herculean efforts that that their reliable organization bla uh that enable us to do these but um a lot of those were reactions and your voice search The Joint Force owes transcom and owes DOA um I think more time to be able to rather than having to have them react all the time I&#39;ll stop there Gene one thing for many um in you know you mentioned that right contested Logistics massive massive challenge uh almost unapproachable so one of the things that at least from industry I feel is missing from the conversation is if you were to Benchmark this in other Industries how does it get started it actually gets started with incrementalism in that technology development I mostly focus on software these days once you get that Baseline out it starts to inform the next Loop of development and I think you know from industry what whether it be customer engagements whether it be industry forums everybody&#39;s looking to jump to the end state but segment after segment and Commercial markets start with incrementalism so it give you an example of a traditional employment so our company works with a large well gas producer our software helps them manage about 170 million barrels of oil produce per year so fairly big scale on an individual oil rig there&#39;s something like 130 000 sensors that updates every second and there&#39;s a lot of problems right they have everything from human factor challenges which is safety needs they have issues related to predicting when failures are going to occur so they can be positioned inventory should sound vital familiar where do you start what do you prioritize where they started was basically predicting right so they had Rich sensor data how do we leverage this data to predict that asset failure let&#39;s figure out what the implication of that is well it turns out if you can predict a time it was four or five days in advance now it&#39;s nine to 14 days in advance the real value that they predicted was in reducing asset downtime right that&#39;s a pretty measurable number but what they discovered was that the real savings and value was in the supply basis and we need this by that data we need this expert to arrive at this location to install that and then they started to layer on additional data types additional problem sets but he then expanded to unstructured data hey we have a tremendous amount of insights wrapped up in you know the written word and why I was in maintenance logs what can we do with that and we predict excess violations that will lead to safety events then they have visual data well I can see that somebody&#39;s not wearing the right PVP and on and on and on and it&#39;s just never ending uh Improvement Loop that&#39;s being written and again from industry so much of the conversation is focused on the daunting Challenge and required endscape I think more attention can be focused on the iterative groups of experimentation that can mean written in much sooner um before it becomes a lot I think so that&#39;s what I see listen you can&#39;t just comment uh Judy because uh Logan&#39;s point this is a brilliant observation it works but the Temptation at the programmatic level in the department is to go big you know give me the enterprise resource planning system that&#39;s going to solve world hunger I&#39;ll tell you it at work yet and it&#39;s burned up a lot of cash but if you I tell you what Logan said is really really powerful this incremental approach of small winds to power people at Echelon give them their resources and then take on the obligation at the senior level to set conditions integrated so that they can be more effective so anyway I thought that was good thank you that&#39;s a great point uh I want to just pull that spring a little bit more given the the impact of technology on which I think some of the um or developing some of the solution for contested Logistics in the the national defense strategy that was just released last month sites that if the rapid evolution of Technology uh and how it changes the operational picture is going to impact how we can sustain our forces and particularly with supply chain and Logistics operation and Mr Jones you talked a little bit about um the perspective from industry are there some other Lessons Learned again the one that you and general Lions talk about you know maybe we&#39;re starting too big but what are some other lessons from industry that we could think about when we think about the problem set and um you know applying those lessons what are some of the constraints in addition to we want you know we want everything all up front what are some of the constraints that are holding this back from using these Technologies to uh to address some of these problems there&#39;s a number of things right I think always focused on the absolute most strategic issue and it&#39;s one of the constraints we have right that&#39;s a it&#39;s about measuring risk and getting comfortable with it um one of the constraints I see is again for companies like ours relatively young company there&#39;s just a lack of awareness and engagement between companies like ours and you all who live in every day there&#39;s an education Gap I think it it&#39;s a nice thing to say that again we can leverage technology that&#39;s driven insights in the commercial markets some of that&#39;s true but unless it&#39;s pointed in the right direction and makes it the last mile that&#39;s a significant goal significant Gap that will lead to a lot of heartbreak in terms of implementation um you know for for example a little bit out there in terms of Defense anybody ever heard of the company Stitch fix admit it on their clothing company but at their heart they&#39;re not including companies they&#39;re a logistics company what do they do every month I think at least that&#39;ll happen but every month a box shows that were closed well how do they understand what should be in the Box it feels a lot like defense and I&#39;ll tell you why so they categorize a customer they put them in with him or her in the category is this a new customer is it based on referral if the referral happened who referred them what&#39;s their case is this a new wardrobe are they evolving their Willow Grove where do they live what time of year the customer base then dictates where do I need inventory stores based on inventory how do I produce what&#39;s how do I predict what&#39;s needed to be produced shipping where and then driving these information leads from customer demand all the way back into production they did it they went fully vertical they produced a manufacturer known Supply but nevertheless it&#39;s all about predictability the difference the the goal in this is a commercial company like in this case Patriots or many of our customers they own the incentive across the entire value chain from data generation through the efficiency or effect that&#39;s generated and another Gap is this idea that data and responsibility is Federated across the government how do we tie these data sets together and bring multiple parties to the table to derive those insights to change so that&#39;s another Gap as compared to commercial markets I want to pull the thread on that a little bit you know um one of the things that can be honestly drop in my open comments is we&#39;re a Washington data that is on the floor we&#39;re not using pardon now Steve your points is blanket your point uh see them we need to see ourselves and we&#39;re that&#39;s why New Jersey Champion we&#39;re not as good at it as we should be uh so we need to use the data that we have to see ourselves and then we start thinking yes it&#39;s going to be more unpredictable than what Stitch fix has but you can start looking at that and federating that data again right back to the industrial base all forward on the battlefield I&#39;m looking at Chris sharpson interlocking a job well I&#39;ll check out from the audience here right John Kelvin task force Chris bergner Joseph Bernard uh warp speed they pulled together out of scratch the ability to see down for supplies coming out that we didn&#39;t have and you know developing them down to hospitals in the homes the homes and why aren&#39;t we doing that which and we need to do that now we need to lay the groundwork now so it&#39;s not a pickup game uh to start managing ourselves ourselves on the battlefield so that we have the agility and flexibility to turn the dial on good things go wrong so a real example not stitch fix I&#39;ll get back to this one uh about visibility so just a real example that we we probably went with I would say we do uh we work with a large Oil Company um we our platform chefs our assisted in the shipment of three billion barrels of oil oil here right what is in this planning cycle and and how does it relate to defense we talked about enabling those at lower echelons this is what it means sit in front of the screen and not have to worry about the data that&#39;s behind it but say look bite of oil is this I have this Refinery producing I have these ports open this ship is in for heavy maintenance and all of this is automated it&#39;s it&#39;s traceable the fact that oil companies have the incentive and the to drive that visibility down into their daily operations has led them to a much richer environment from which they can drive efficiencies and I would say that that&#39;s a real example of potentially dla and how we ship and manage our energy supplies moving into theater itself thank you um sticking with technology is just a little bit um secretary Essen has that happened back to some of the things he said with the your opening comments specifically about export controls in China and protecting our technology and so when when we think about um the importance of trade as a national security imperative to to be you know the economics associated with that how do we subdane healthy trade with something like China or other countries in that aor but yet protect those technologies that would that would impact us militarily and maybe not just for technology but but just trade in general how do we balance that the good and the bad um just to ensure that military is not impact sure uh it&#39;s it&#39;s actually more complicated than I thought it was going to be when I walked into this job uh because you know the controls that I just put on uh American companies going shipping to China high-end chips you know small part of their inventory but it&#39;s still big revenue and for the American Tool makers what I&#39;ve just done is impacted their ability to do r d and generate Next Generation because I&#39;ve cut the rabbit however that&#39;s not a boundless issue for me uh Securities national security issue will stop supporting my boss secretary Rolando and you know we&#39;re gonna into full uh compliance I need to ensure our allies are with us on this because sometimes they get similar product and I won&#39;t stop definitely shipping that with China too and that&#39;s strong about to engage in a whole bunch of traffic um and I&#39;m pretty confident around that and then it&#39;s like okay that&#39;s semiconductors and high standard uh what&#39;s next so we need to keep looking because technology is advancing you can&#39;t sit still it&#39;s just a form you need to keep going and frankly what we&#39;ve done is by ourselves sometimes so you know if you know only the defense game of the Department of office uh so I put all these controls that while other controls what we can do but we didn&#39;t play offense too so if I could slow down the Chinese from development capability we better be building building our own abilities to advance our own Social Security interest and those of our allies so you know chips Act is as uh way of doing that on the semiconductor area but we need to keep thinking through what do we need to be doing to play offense while we&#39;ve put a little a little hold on that playing defense let&#39;s not pretend that they&#39;re not going to figure out over time how to do this so it&#39;s a short period of time that we bought ourselves um I I looked the wrong way I imagine that first of all thank you for what you doing that was um I think I told you earlier actually we&#39;ve done that earlier in many ways but um [Music] um what gets all publicity is going on so many people some who wants to talk about it for some reasons um and understandable you know they are Ambassador Investments they have significant impacts on about what we&#39;ve already gone on not just an Asians the best but they&#39;re National economies and it&#39;s a significant piece of the machine and technological piece with another one of our allies um I&#39;m gonna tell you that the adversary hates that hates August you can tell right away when he deliberately that knowingly incorrectly can play a nuclear propulsion information so I talk about how we&#39;re at the United States and Australia and I can Team enough together to flip away weapons and and Asia from True Republicans talk about dancing with abortion but that&#39;s the poor one secretary&#39;s point the most in my view oh elastic monitors it&#39;s the development of emerging technology the reason I like I like this one is because the entire all of our friends will benefit from what comes out of people in Technologies and while the United States has long been a leader in development emergency technology we no longer have the sole purpose you of understanding knowledge of that of those areas and so we had other countries out there and other other sources of intellect and Innovation that we can tap into and work together and um one of the points that I think that&#39;s important with all this is for us to push through and get a quick win that helps other countries the reason behind that quick win is it&#39;ll help quell a lot of the dissonance that that our our enemies are putting out there and trying to um confuse people regarding the true benefits of what August is still and we can do what&#39;s intended to do um and these emerging Technologies go you know we&#39;ve all quantum computers man machines um I&#39;m gonna I swore I must stay away from saying AI because it&#39;s almost become two cliche as well because it has a piece of me but managing team machine learning um autonomous and semi-autonomous vehicles for inspection board again might be going to go but that means it revolves around in the Pacific but that&#39;s a pretty workplace to you right now um the idea of being able to have setting on autonomous and autonomous vehicles out there we do wonders I think enabling a resilient for workshop and what distribution of a widely dispersed Force all these things can be put together and they have commercial applications and again I go back to the big advantage of the white boxes Builder 2 which um if anything that is there&#39;s only goodness that can come out of code too you think that&#39;s that&#39;s some of the key pieces in here and how this technique is the important technologies will benefit all right and that they&#39;re in life some of the church you know I do have a requirements to protect emerging Technologies uh you know found that when you put out a federal registered notice of who&#39;s got emerging Technologies you don&#39;t get a good response because the people who are working building Federal Register with this uh and then when you say hey and I want to regulate you that&#39;s the next thing when they go to ground uh but nonetheless we need to do that instance most of them have both your dual use comment both Military and Commercial application according to draw the line it hasn&#39;t draw the line now you know we have an adversary that uses in the whole military civil Fusion strategy thank you for his law and not base so I have to react to their Glory lines in your comments you talk about purpose risk management and Trends and we talk about preview here pre-positioning uh material in forward operating locations you know traditionally we can all picture what we saw in um theaters around the world you know the piles of more reserved material and lots of stuff and material [Music] um with a threat that exists now the conditions um with the way that the private sector can provide things like supply chain and transportation are the days of big mountains of stuff is that over is there another way uh to think about moving material up to the um to that last Mile and getting into the hands of the Warfighter yes it&#39;s a great question I tell you you know the fact is that everything we do in the logistics and sustainment arena is a derivative of operations so when you start to subscribe operations that uh you know require the movement of the city the size of Cincinnati for example or the the rapid dissemination and speed associated with some of the multi-domain operations moving small Force elements very rapidly under over large distances and these kind of things uh the logistics actually goes up now to you know your point about repo is is uh is a great one I mean if if you know if you can call it right in your in your in your playbook and you know what your concept is or where you want to be certainly having things pre-positioned buys you a lot of time and space and time and space is a great detergent because if an adversary knows that you can come if you want to but if you decide to very rapidly uh that&#39;s a very powerful dilemma that it causes for the adversary so there&#39;s a lot of there&#39;s a lot of uh of power and pre-positioning you know to be to be able to create that level of resiliency to agility uh but but at the end of the day um you know the the requirements logistic requirements for the force we have today are enormous and when you start to superimpose some of the conditions that John scalanka talked about it&#39;s really not nothing that we&#39;ve seen only our you know parents or grandparents have seen that level of conflict and that creates a you know that creates a different from kind of a a requirement on your Logistics apparatus we&#39;re equal to the tax but I mean we have to be thinking about it now but what you say Steve you know you and I have traveled a lot together you and I have a bunch walk there half people in this room I should say in Afghanistan you could stand anywhere and see 200 containers no matter which way you want we probably can&#39;t do that anymore because all I have is a big part so you can&#39;t build that Target so that means we need to think through how do we build that capacity in a different way at one point I would also offer with these though is um [Music] you know fundamental element of strategy is that you&#39;ve got to acknowledge and understanding you&#39;ve got limited research and we got to apply those limited resources against ends that are National gears have prioritized and we learned that in more colleges and whatnot um the idea that we can outspend and outpace logistically that&#39;s pretty easy to do we&#39;re not going to do that it&#39;s not going to have it and so stick in uh a Bastion a compassion out there or leatherneck um you&#39;re asking yourself to to be a massive turtle now we&#39;re going to do that that&#39;s fine we need to make sure that we understand it can we withstand ahead can we withstand the destruction of that particular area if we can say yes to that and perhaps we can go ahead with that with that um old strategy of stock buying that wants to stock in one location I just don&#39;t think we both are going to be able to do that and flip to that no not just paying such a bad picture on all the stories um just because someone has the capability to talk does not mean that he or she can borrow you there&#39;s there&#39;s truth to that too there are other ways that we can do to make ourselves an auditory there are other ways out there but it&#39;s going to require investment talk about it is the nation willing to invest in pre-book for example because they see all the media rightly showed what they believe to be waste and call us on and right and they should do that but we need to be able to demonstrate in this amount of ways you need to be able to have a prepo you know I think you can a strategy not just stayed in one location we also need to invest in things such as ballistic missile defense that we have not had to worry about necessarily investment is a significant requirement if you&#39;re going to have these places you&#39;ve got to protect them um so that happens that happens well what other you know one of the things we were working when I was still a transcom is this concept in space Mobility so just think about this for a second if you can move a c17 size load anywhere in the world in an hour think about the Dilemma of that creation about the options it creates for somebody like Joe Spike and his Commander uh so should you know that bypasses enormous Mass probably to describing but at the end of the day the the level of logistics you have to have in common space is a function of the forces you have arrayed and their geometric positions and that&#39;s just a logistics math problem you&#39;ve got to work through and it requires a lot in our current plan but you can come with other agile approaches that I think create some some effects for you and we we&#39;ve um our panel here has mentioned uh the defense industrial base and things of comments so what what should um we think about was the commercial industrial base and the organic industrial base what should the U.S military be asking of Industry you know we again Mr Jones you talk a little bit about technology but what else is out there that um that military should be communicating with the industry as a need to counter some of these threats in a contestant logistic environment foreign ERS perhaps at least one person having spent a number of years in Industry this industry specifically this is a little different than hey getting this that and the other thing but I actually think it&#39;s a call to action the call to action for people like My Generation people in my generation to be a part of creating the system that rises to the challenge that Joe and I talked about right we are up for the task and in instilling that all the way down through education stem education holding people through universities that is one of the things I think the military can get much more involved with their Senate District in California where Naval acts plan in the headquarters uh at least a program where there&#39;s a tremendous amount of feeder schools at the high school level into Tech colleges which then moves into four-year colleges that&#39;s the kind of initiative to build a relationship between the military and the emerging generation that&#39;s not a bullet that&#39;s not an airplane to move things but consistently throughout our history the thing that has won US complex is empowering and enabling the men and women on the force and the people of the U.S and I think that&#39;s where it has our little different answer than you might be expecting but we can do more I&#39;ll take a little risk if you talk about all this so I want to point out on the other secretary of Commerce not the other secretary of acquisition and sustainment and so they have the assistant secretary for sustainability and funding he might be able to answer this question um but you know we need to do and I agree with everything just set it by the way uh we need to do a better job of incentivizing industry and that means through rfps from the Department to modernize themselves and to secure themselves and that means to go from cyber and understand you there&#39;s the blockchain so that they have a supply chain that they&#39;ve been drawn that&#39;s not relying on the adversary in the middle of it which is a problem but there&#39;s certainly yeah and and it&#39;s not that industry is not doing this it&#39;s just not a pace of digitizing manufacturing you know sensors on assembly and you know modern tool tooling that can be managed with ones and zeros the flexibility versus real name in Santa&#39;s Manner and with just one added perspective and worked it on 15 years I totally underappreciated the infrastructure that those in this market that&#39;s serving this customer and what I&#39;ve discovered the airplane is it&#39;s a little bit like finding yourself to remains of rules and regulations I think helping industry along on that Journey will pull in innovation and you know teaching and building a bridge so they understand why it&#39;s so important you know industry would then I think have a more welcomed in hand because I absolutely agree first year of our existence all we did is implement up to the standards of beauty because that is what we want to do that but we need to think through what else do we need to do as a nation well if you want to know what ended up income want to say we had a list and and I say that not so prestigiously because um many of you know that Congressman as the last three years and it&#39;s going to happen again required uh the Commander in the Pacific command to provide them they put in the National Defense authorization act um we call I&#39;ll call 124x report well I&#39;m not quite sure when the next can be but it&#39;s essentially it&#39;s section 12 foreign [Music] it&#39;s a pretty detailed report classified version many of you still have the classifications um you can get access to it I&#39;m sure and there&#39;s also an unclassed version that&#39;s that&#39;s published as well lines out and and it bends what we need Logistics is a bit in there but also what&#39;s important is what I&#39;d ask you to do is don&#39;t just look at the logistics then because every single bed is hit by Logistics um we have a buyer&#39;s bin we have uh I&#39;ll tell you we coordinate ours extensively with the command or sign Upon Us of Easton for example because many of the requirements of data we need out in our theaters to work them together um before this report goes out we send it to the combatant commanders sir I believe you well the first year we had to do it you you had as well and um what we don&#39;t do is use that report to advocate for individual service requirements so what for example what you&#39;re not going to see in our 12th report is um we need more ddues that&#39;s the service requirement to do that we talk more in terms of capability we deliberately don&#39;t ident don&#39;t Advocate also specifically receivable it&#39;s about capable requirements so [Music] that&#39;s that&#39;s probably one of the best sources oh the last thing I say is we identified by whatever the particular year was Robert and just just across one field a lot um about a command you know all that other stuff that was speculative and all we live in a two three year window well I&#39;d like to um pose the last question and circle back to uh The Joint work fighting concept which was signed last year and it focuses one of the four supporting Concepts or strategy priorities uncontested Logistics and in in the in the jwc it mentions um has a heavy focus on technology and tools like um AI just like if you would agree with me saying AI machine learning virtual management things like that um but I think for the for the end of this discussion let&#39;s talk about um because the services are talking about things that they&#39;re doing innovations that they are doing to address the issue of confessive logistics um you know reducing reducing demand requirement footprint things like that but what are those areas um that cannot be solved by technology that are some other factor that you know again maybe the services they&#39;re looking at that are still involve cyber look at me um [Music] the curse of being include on the board here um the note that I just wrote to myself it&#39;s contested with just some of the concept it&#39;s not going to solve like this you know and I think that that&#39;s I think that&#39;s pretty simple um the things are going to help address and and facilitate those Concepts but I think you know with Jada and see what we&#39;re seeing um and I&#39;ll tell you we I I said we&#39;re big Avenues we had our own we started off development we realized in order to integrate our components out there we needed an indo-pacific more bonding concept that we&#39;ve developed as well now we&#39;ve worked very very closely with joint staff G7 um I think you&#39;re seeing a significant shift you know the question was about I think you asked ma&#39;am about the um Iron Mountain we&#39;re going to see those things and I just see that I&#39;m thinking of the machine because they&#39;re recognizing that the requirements to happen you know I saw a broken record up here but you know the dispersed Force that&#39;s able to decades it&#39;s able to uh it&#39;s resilient that can operate and not just degrade it but the Night Comes Communications um operate vast distances uh and and and sustain keep keep pushing the the again the thing I like most about how they tied in contestant Logistics I don&#39;t know I don&#39;t want you for that in there um he he didn&#39;t it wasn&#39;t like too many other logistics discussions on what we talked about and things and we&#39;re just and we got supportive Logistics I mean it&#39;s woven throughout the entire cost and so I guess that&#39;s the open Point here is industry is going to kind of help facilitate the application of these Concepts but it&#39;s it&#39;s the thinking behind housing conduct I think that I&#39;m gonna it&#39;s it is scarred in my memory now sir the point about you know we need to think about suggestions in a strategic framework that really resonated with me and start talking about um the the time in the defense industrial base a question that I&#39;ve asked um mentors of mine uh a couple of them are in United [Music] um you know we have a Joint Force with uh land component coming right and Joint Force Maritime components in management forced air compartment [Music] I&#39;m talking about this as a functional action do we need to have it can we do that the idea that Services by title 10 are responsible for their own home support the Army&#39;s got title Town logistics for God there is there&#39;s there&#39;s a lot to be said I mean for the consideration and we we talk about that in the moment we can work on economy and this is not about me looking for another um jtf command opportunity or legislation if it&#39;s not what it says um this is about trying to figure out what what is the best can a one service lead in in the type of fight we&#39;re talking about the logistics requirements for the entire 24th sector you know we&#39;re going to fight as many times why would we have the same services [Music] so I&#39;ll leave it at that and I&#39;m sure I&#39;ll give you an angry email from some something else was around okay Concepts we need to think through a local building do you think that&#39;s the key point there I would just caution that you know we we certainly we get into this space give me just a second about it we think it&#39;s making other discussion today it&#39;s just hard work as you work through it and and you know it&#39;s uh easy to come up with a concept or a PowerPoint presentation that makes it look even easier but the facts deny all that so you know when Joe squinko was still the J5 within their paycom he fought in the the latest window take on warfighting plan which dwarf as the other cocon UT so the the idea here is that you know and I&#39;ve heard uh folks kind of say this out loud hopefully thinking wishful thinking that you know this other concept of De aggregated operations with high-speed High lethality High cavity rates is all of a sudden going to massively get supported uh by some magical concept or some new technology it&#39;s just it&#39;s not going to work like that so the way the warfighting concepts are emerging is actually driving Logistics demands up not down now it doesn&#39;t have to be in a traditional sense you don&#39;t have to that&#39;s that&#39;s my point about not taking a legacy force and just you know just trying to insert it into the existing construct and all of a sudden you&#39;re you know you just bankrupting yourself by more logistic demand than you can possibly get to is thinking more about how do you integrate the logistics warfighting uh you know function into everything that&#39;s going on and uh I would just say you know just watch this idea of wishful thinking that somehow there&#39;s going to be this magical solution that we&#39;re just not going to have to worry about it the physics this is a physics problem and he&#39;s got a ujor it&#39;s a physics problem the demands are enormous I&#39;m talking about Mobility Munitions fuel energy liquid energy the demands on the concepts that I see for multi-domain and the war fighting plans that I&#39;ve seen approved by the department are enormously large requirements for Logistics it is a logistics fight out there need no Pacific so I just say you know not not to you know this is this is manageable and we&#39;ve got to think through the risk but we often have to wish it away because this is a daunting challenge that we can think our way through manage the risk invest smartly accept risk work you know where it&#39;s acceptable and then and then keep moving right and then more part of the way it means at which we bring lethal effects which may or may not have the same Logistics demand but the course state of concept and War plans are enormously logistically challenging and that&#39;s what this community has to deal with if you know if you&#39;re the you know secretary versus David or transcon or whatever the case may have made so I I just you know I just kind of cautious because I hear that sometimes from some pre-sing your leaders that we&#39;re going to be at this place in the future where you know we&#39;re not going to need Logistics and it&#39;s just amazing it&#39;s just not reality thank you generalize thank you that was a great way to tie up the comments of the Cinch panel today to again the purpose was to um to maybe change our thinking to broaden the aperture a little bit on how we process what is content operating at a contestant logistic environment what are the problems what are the solutions and how should we be thinking this maybe not in a way that uh that we have for so many years and I&#39;d like to thank secretary Estevez Mr Jones General and general Alliance for um some fantastic perspectives and thoughts um and ideas on how we can think about this in our uh in our endeavors across government military uh private sector and our the Partnerships we have developer Network so um would you join me in a round of applause thank you and before I wrap up how about another round of applause to include our moderator so just a couple a couple of final comments uh that was powerful don&#39;t you think I mean it was uh it was tremendous what a rich conversation it exceeded really what we envisioned to get out of this a couple final thank yous uh obviously all our panel members thanks everyone that&#39;s here today as well that are viewing virtually ndia and and IDP thank you very much in just a couple I&#39;m not going to go through everything here there&#39;s just so much here but let me just leave you with this uh you know one of my takeaways from what I heard this is about the last 90 minutes is about helping close the education yeah right you know if you go in you see what our secretary of defense has talked about when he talks about talent management when he talks about the threat you see what the honorable Omens doing when he talks about educating the logistics Workforce that&#39;s what we&#39;re doing we&#39;re trying to close that Gap and think differently because the problems as you heard are harder than they ever have been and they are more interconnected than they ever have been and it is going to take a whole government approach that&#39;s why it&#39;s so tremendous to have secretary yes events here so this kind of this is what this is all about we need to continue the discussion to close that Gap and think differently and we look forward to talking to you all again thank you very much for being here

Transcript for:Lecture on Contested Logistics in a Modern Warfare Environment

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Lecture on Contested Logistics in a Modern Warfare Environment