is's not here so how the game works is you think of one thing and you might have 10 things which is okay um but if you compare it down to the most um exciting or juicy thing for you that you took away from Carol's talk or that just stood out to you that was something really um exciting or something even that you thought oh I want to unpack that more or I want to go look that up more and then see if you can condense it down into a sentence or even better yet a word or two so I'll start and um you can unmute and share your words or you can type it in the chat so my my takeaway was semiconducting and superconducting fascia as a semiconductor and a superconductor chish says information flows of the biofield who else has a takeaway feel free to unmute I'd love to hear your voices importance of practitioners energy and intent W yeah that was huge thank you for reminding me of that one my well there was so much to begin with but my way is how the light touch versus like deep tissue massage yeah my body responds so well to light touch and what she said the big difference with the deep tissue massage is it creates inflammation yeah yeah it's a big one hey oh wow no wonder my body feels so different and that hours later my body is still yes exactly yep the you know the the scientific explanation and I feel like it's sort of um probably what a lot of us know experientially or directly in how they like how they feel different to you but it's nice to have that explanation thank you um intention and presence yeah not a big one the fact that whoops it scrolled here back up um the fact that there's a measurable difference between Therapeutic Touch and Sham treatment yes thank you for that one um take away reminding myself about the importance of presence to can really get stuck in the outcome yeah me too actually and we'll talk about that a little bit more later with pillar number two letting go of outcome is a big part of pillar number two intersection of the physiology of fashion energy conduction I know right so good presence of fascia in the DNA of the embryo implication of fascia in extracellular Matrix for cell communication and the in between spaces right have you read um James ashman's book it's all about that getting out of the left brain and into the right brain intentionality how the bone is crystallized fascia and how this implicates overall stem cell activity the fact that everything is vibration everything right the reminder of how everything is available through the akashic field and that if I don't know what to do I just need to get quiet and the answer is always already there oh lovely I feel like that's like that's like a poem waiting to be written um spiraling vortexes of energy flowing in between our fascial beings Beyond and back in yeah oh thank you thank you for that for entertaining me in my favorite game feeling the weight of air uh with my hands that was so cool yeah yeah good one great the therapy has an effect on reducing mineralization and cell differentiation on cancer cells yeah that was a really good thank you for reminding me of that one was a really big one for me too yeah and it's such a helpful one for that pillar too like it helps me to it helps me to trust oky dokie um I'm just thinking I haven't recorded on the cloud yet go oh so often at the point of crossing a threshold great okay I'm to get slides I think what I want to do though is I want to stop the recording G to see if it'll let me do it from thank you for bearing with me for all of the techy things so while I'm in PowerPoint mode I can still see you over here and I really still love to hear your questions and thoughts as we go through through the content so where were we here's where I wanted to start us off this afternoon and especially in light of everything Carol talked about so um in case you don't know me very well I'm a certified hakomi practitioner and I'm a hakomi teacher in training as well and hakomi has been a huge influence on my practice for let's see since 2010 so what hakomi is it's a sematic Psychotherapy it's a um sort of a sematic trauma therapy um the reason the word sematic is in there is because it's not talk therapy it's not the sort of traditional type of style of working with with um with sort of unpacking the the traumas of the body but it's done physiologically so if you've heard of sematic experiencing it's a very sort of like a sister field uh very similar to that modality um from the hakomi system they there's this principle that we sort of a guiding principle that we use in hakomi which is called organicity and it's one that I love so much and feel like it's completely super helpful as a principle when it comes to riky the what organicity basically as a you know to to sum it up quickly is it's this idea that we're self uh healing system we self assembled we're self um organizing and we're self-correcting so one of the ways I really love teaching this when it comes to working with fascist just looking at the embryo and looking at at the how the embryo so right from the start we were self-organizing into this incredible being that we are that we are now as a human and that it doesn't stop so um I have a video I could show you if you want to see it of the of the embryo formation um but even if you just imagine you know that we're a cell we're a single cell and then we divide into two and then that division continues and over time becomes more and more complex and we fold in on ourselves and we become this human being and it's kind of one of those thought processes that can so easily bring you into a state of awe um and one of the things like we can watch the the embryological development and even watch the birth of a child and feel that like wow this is incredible and then there's this temptation to think that somehow that stops once we're done growing you know but if you were to if you were to change the focus of a camera and look inside all of that incredible Miracle is still is still going on so does anybody want to watch the it's almost like a meditative process want to watch the want to watch the embryo yes okay I'm going to pull it up for you then I used to have it linked in the slide but it's uh doesn't seem to be working so my my slide linkage so I'm going to just pull it up and then reshare for you so this is a video it's called becoming um maybe one of my loveliest would put it in the chat for us as well just in case uh it doesn't quite work with the sharing if you're wondering how to find it I usually just Google becoming embryo n that is always the top one okay so I'm gonna play this here and then I'm gonna share my screen and I'm going to hope that it works okay let me just cue you up here to what we're about to see because it's just such an incredible experience to watch this if you've never seen it before so what I really want to invite you to is to really you know let this be a visual meditation so as you're watching to let your body settle and let your mind soften and let your eyes and your focus soften and just just Watch What Happens here it's it's quite remarkable okay are you seeing the video give me thumbs up if you see great okay love it when technology works okay here we go I turned the sound off it's not really a large long you know a big sound but so what you'll see um it's either a salamander or a n and really high defin uh magnified photography so the egg is already dividing I'll just let you watch for a minute or two here that was I meant it literally when I said you pulled in on yourself so even though this is a new this this invagination process is kind of like turning inside out uh we do this as well and you're about to see the Primal streak there it is e so that was the brain and spinal cord you saw there a moment ago and we're about to see the little limb buds begin to emerge it just for time purposes I'm going to stop it here just because I'm showed you everything I really wanted you to see it um but I highly recommend you know watching the whole thing again and again and again and again it's becoming more you know Le less uh human looking and more n looking now but the anybody have takeaways from that first of all it's that incredible I to me it's just you you know you did that like each one of us did that we we we became so amazing and you're still becoming so when we look at that it's basically a visual representation of this principle of organicity is that you grew yourself from scratch and you're continually unfolding and repairing in in every moment so how does this relate to us as as healers or as practitioners of some way is that when when you really can feel into your own organicity like your own self correcting self-healing uh nature it is kind of translated nervous system to nervous system to your clients and they pick up on that when and and it's it's one of those things I like to say you know if you weren't here when Alex and I were talking right at the very start of how we're sort of picking up on on each other on the level of the nervous system but when you could probably bring to mind uh a moment in time when you were with someone and they had a really strong agenda for you you know might have been your mom or your mother-in-law or a well-meaning friend but but where you were with this person and they were trying to fix you has anybody had that experience before and you feel it right like you you you you feel it you might not even be able to fully articulate it and I mean not to say that this like say you have a a therapist and this is a consensual thing and that's a little bit different but like if it's sort of kind of thrust upon you and and you you really feel it right and the reason I like to use that as an example is because I think as humans we've all had this experience and not to say that it's bad or wrong and you know God bless all of our well-meaning friends but that to you know the difference when you're with a a friend who's who's not trying to change you in any way and they're just being you know and they're just holding space and I like to I feel like as humans we've all had both these experiences and to just know in your own self the difference between the two and when it comes to healing and being a practitioner that second space is it actually creates an environment that's conducive to for organicity to flourish and we know this from the neuroscientific research but I feel like even more than that we we know it as feeling humans like we know it experientially as humans and so your clients do too they know what that's like so an example or like metaphor I guess that I like to give in talking about this principle is the greenhouse metaphor if you've taken raiky with me you'll have heard me talk about this I'm sure but it's this idea that um when we when we can put ourselves into in poly vagal terms that ventral vagel state or I can put myself into the the three pillar State effectively or to use John Barnes terms that channel three or that centered space so when I can put myself in that space what's happening is I'm creating an environment that's conducive for that other nervous system to also shift into that state so we can call this co-regulation when if we're using nervous system language and as feeling humans we kind of just feel it as like a healing environment um or a supportive environment a supportive field so if we think of that on a felt sense Lev and we're going to just call this metaphorically the greenhouse so we think of that environment as like a greenhouse and then let's say I have some plants that I want to cultivate a growth in maybe have little baby sprouts and I intend on transplanting them into my garden later and I really want them to grow so the best thing is for me to put them in this environment that's conducive to their growth and then trust that they have everything within them the seed has everything within it in order to become that little tomato plant or if I have some flowers that are just really tight Buds and I really want to see them flourish and open so that I can put them in my garden and enjoy them if I take the little bud and I start you know trying to ply pry apart the the petals it's not going to be as beautiful as if I just allow it to unfold on its own and the idea the me like the metaphor is that is the envir the conducive environment is um so helpful the the seed will probably become on its own anyway but if I put it in this really supportive environment it will will help it to flourish is that making sense so that's basically organ icity in a nutshell um and when we look at the three pillars of Reiki it's kind of that's that's basically what we're doing when the the point of the three pillars of raiki is that we're building this greenhouse space and how it's working is it's working on the level of communication between two nervous systems so what I want to kind of where I want to go into From Here let see if I can get my slide to switch for me um is bring in a little bit of poly vagal Theory and talk a little bit about how we can how we can create this really intentionally and weave this into the traditional raiky curriculum or concept of the three pillars the this list here is just a bunch of other modalities that I have taken over the years that I also weave in but for today and because this is we'll go into this in level two and level three as well but for today I want to really kind of zero in mostly on poly vagel and hakomi as the you know the the two pieces that really weave in this idea of trauma informed touch or um that creating this greenhouse environment okay we've done that one so neuroception this touches on Alex your question so neuroception is a term coined by Dr Steven forges and the the meaning of it is is vast but I'm going to condense it a little bit and know that it's something you could probably unpack for several years and continue to learn more but to keep it brief it's the idea that we're on a unconscious level nervous system to nervous system I'm scanning to Ure my environment is safe and I say nervous system to nervous system that's only one level of it um so my my nervous system is constantly tracking the the environment around me to ensure that I am safe and that if there is danger I can attend to it very quickly and this is different than perception because when I perceive something or I I'm chewing on stimulus consciously that's happening in a different part of the brain that's that's sort of like a conscious awareness of a stimulus and neuroception is happening before that so I'm before I'm consciously aware of a thing I'm already aware of the thing so my nervous system on a really very quick level has already picked up on the thing so to you know directly address your question Alex about the um you were holding a thought in mind and then the client said the words so there's this thing that's happening where we're we're whatever we're whatever we're chewing on in our nervous system in our brain in our field and probably even before that that there's this level where that's being translated through to the other nervous system before the level of conscious awareness um we can think of it as I mean I'm sure we could probably all come up with lots of examples as as healer people or even just as as humans where you've had those sort of moments where years sitting like even today I think I I had um there was a question I wanted to ask Carol and then two minutes later she started talking about it so do does everybody know that that experience so there's the level where it's happening in person which would really definitely fit into this neuroception category and then there's the sort of secondary layer where you know her nervous system isn't here in my room so how is that working and that's where we'll get into some of the level two stuff so stay tuned on you know more more getting into kind of like the field and um how how thought is transferred kind of like through those waves that she was talking about but I also think that it's still going to come through your nervous system anyway even if it initially comes as a thought um okay so neuroception basically what I want to what I what what I want you to kind of take away from neuroception is that when we are in a seat when we're taking our healer's seat um our client whoever that may be is picking up on our state so their nervous system is picking up on my nervous system's State and there's the phen phena called co-regulation and so and and again this is all happening below the level of conscious awareness this is all happening like instantly um but but their nervous system is picking up on my nervous system and being influenced by it and we will begin to co-regulate we will be begin to influence each other and we can co-regulate toward um that that fully integrated state or we can also co-regulate toward more disregulation and knowing that is so helpful because if I begin to become aware that I'm co-regulating toward my client disregulated or disintegrated nervous system I can make I can make the choice in that moment to shift to a more regulated state if possible if I can and you can't always and so we also have to be forgiving with ourselves as well and you know know know that we're human and not going to get it perfect but if you if you're able to catch it and you're able to shift your state and then that intention can help with bringing co-regulation back into influencing that field so that sort of coherence conversation we were having earlier and then the second piece of this is story follows State and so so that kind of instant um influence of my nervous system State then secondary to that is going to influence the thoughts that I have in my mind so first thing that happens I pick up on my uh let's say I'm let's say I'm a client and I'm going to a Healer and I sit down in the office first thing that happens is my nervous system is is tracking and checking is this environment safe and is the and then I'm beginning to regulate with this nervous system that if they've gone through the three pillars they they're holding an intention to be helpful and so my nervous system is picking up on that processing that and then the the thoughts secondary to that my brain might make up a story about that like oh this is a the story might be oh this is a this is a great place for me to be and it can work the other way as well where I can go into a therapy office and not to say this is right and this is wrong and this is a horrible experience because you know we're human and we're going to have these things happen but let's say on the other side I might go into a therapist's office and they might be having a really bad day or maybe something just happened and their nervous system is dis is not integrated they're in that more disregulated state they're sort of out of sorts or they're flustered and maybe they don't know about polyal Theory or any of this information and so they think the best thing to do is just kind of override that not talk about it they won't ever know so I won't say a word about it and what happens in that scenario is that my Nervous System picks up on their disregulated state I'm in a downer position as well so that's part of the equation but what happens when the story part kicks on is typically when we're in story mode we're in What's called the default mode Network so we're when we're M when we're in that part of the story spinning phase it's usually about me the story I'm making up is about me so what what'll happen next is that my therapist's disregulated State that's affecting my disre that is you know we're co-regulating now toward disregulation and the story I'm making up is oh my God I suck like there must be a reason that they don't like me um maybe they don't think I'm a good client you know they don't want to see me and all of this is happening I think the science is something like four times a second this thing this thing updates so this is all happening in like you know an eighth of a second or something like that it's like it's too fast for for me to have sort of have reason kind of come in and and and get in there um so let me just stop the share for a minute and see how you're all how you're all uh doing with all that information it's kind of big news you know so thought I would check in with you I see Smiles it's good sign n relating yeah anybody had that experience yeah you have hey yeah on both sides like I've had you know I'll I'll I'll uh I'll tell a story that I often tell and and this is even prior to my cat Jeffy passing away recently this was the cat I had before Jeffy it was how long ago it was so 15 years ago so I had this cat that I was just like my beloved soulmate cat just love this cat more than anything and he passed away and I was completely distraught and and and grieving intensely and I had a full day of clients book the next day and I'm thinking you know I should probably take the day off like that would probably be wise but you know I'm like I don't know where to put them and then and I'm I'm just gonna go with it no one will know I'm just you know I'll wash my face with cold water everything will be fine and I go in to do a a day full of treating clients and that evening and I thought the sessions had actually gone pretty well but I was definitely fighting with this really like these waves of grief and I wasn't naming them um that evening I had two emails from two of my clients that asked if I still like if they had done something wrong yeah and I was so it's it's you know and this was preh hakomi days and when I started learning hakomi and organicity and then poly veel Theory and all of this I was like oh that's why that happened you know so Deb Dana she's really good at she talks about naming these things I'll just de blurriy myself here naming these things is actually really helpful for your client's nervous system to make sense of what they're neuro seeing to kind of put it into a little a little context or box for them so that when the story part kicks on they have that additional information information to add in so when their nervous system says something's off it must be me they also have the words that I just said which is if you're if you're tracking that I'm a bit off today you know it's because my my beloved cat died yesterday so I'm okay I'm really okay and I really want to be here with you but just in case you're kind of your Spidey senses are picking up on it I just wanted you to know that's what that is anybody relating to that from the therapist IST seat yeah yeah please just can I Spotlight you sure yeah go ahead um so a couple of things I guess first of all I'm just I'm thinking about co-regulation as being so much more sophisticated than anything anybody really gets taught about non-verbal communication yeah you know um I think when I was in business school you know nonverbals were mostly like where do you put your hands when you're giving a speech or something like that um and you know so I mean this is just so much bigger than this just a whole other world right and also I I coach a lot of people who are applying to business school and I remember the now former director of admissions at Harvard Business School did this amazing thing um he was talking about giving interviews which are you know pretty high stakes um SP encounters and he said this incredible thing on a podcast he said that um he was he himself as the interviewer was nervous before every interview and he said that he thought of a 30 minute interview the first 10 minutes is just the two people regulating their nerves he didn't say co-regulating but that's what he was talking about you know and it was just what an extraordinary thing for that person in that position to say right and whenever I would share it with my clients they'd be like wow that's amazing and and I think it's I think it's such a gift so so um that and thank you thank you for sharing that so appreciate um anyone else and that makes a lot of sense too Jessica yeah Brenda heater first I wanted to share an experience that can I Spotlight you yeah sure yeah share your experience um I walked in to teach a yoga class and that morning I had lost a friend in a car accident so I was very emotional and when I did my therapeutic training my teacher was always like be open be honest with your students and I thought how am I going to get through this class so at the beginning of the class I said to my students I shared with them that I had lost someone and that I might struggle a little in the class and they were it was completely changed there was such a heart connection they held space for me I felt so held I've I've probably never taught a more intimate connected yoga class than I did that night because I shared that with them and they me and so it's kind of like the opposite of being open and letting it out there and how space was held thank you so much for sharing that I really appreciate the both of you sharing um this is I'll I'll remove your Spotlight here but the um you know it's one of the reasons why I really love that quote by um Rachel Naomi reman too is this idea that I think we can kind of get into this idea that if I'm GNA be a Healer like if I'm gonna be a Riki Master like I better have sorted all my out and excuse me for using the colorful language but like I should have all my stuff finished I should be like totally healed and then I get to sit in the seat of healer and but the problem with that is we get we miss all of what you just shared like that those gorgeous human moments where we get to have you know true human to human relating so I propose that we throw out the idea that in order to be a raiki master or healer that we have to be already fully healed I feel like what happens with that I feel like that narrative creates a a rift and it makes it harder for our clients to reach us and reach their own deep Humanity their own deep sensitivity so that's my little that's my pitch for uh the gift of the Wounded healer all right shall we move to a new slide I'm thinking um Sue and other assistants I'm thinking maybe because we have four hours together maybe a break once an hour if that feels reasonable to everybody so if someone can let me know when we're at around 2:30 and then we'll maybe take a little bow yeah does that feel right okay thank you um this quote by Stephen porges I love it so much the uh safety is the treatment and I mean if there's one thing that you take away from today and I've already got all your takeaways from Carol but if there's one thing you're going to take away from any of this content this afternoon it would be this it be this one sentence safety is the treatment it kind of takes it just shifts the focus from you know memorizing the hand positions and getting everything right and remember memorizing formulas and protocols and all of that kind of stuff and all of that's helpful it's not to say you know it doesn't have its place but if the primary focus is continually coming back to is my client feeling safe and at least safe enough I I love Ariel Schwarz always uses the word safe enough which I've adopted from her because I think it's sometimes safe um we can get perfectionistic about it and and lose our Humanity in in the process but you know say is their system P like neuros receiving enough cultivated safety that they can shift into that parasympathetic mode of the nervous system that they can shift into the state of being that allows for rest and repair processes to happen in the body and all of that's going to happen organically um so once we sh once we support the shift in nervous system whatever self-healing mechanisms are are taking place is it's going to happen my spiritual teacher that I often talk about um he used to say this stuff works in spite of me not because of me it's probably my favorite quote of him okay so me as a me as a raiki master it it works in spite of me not because of me okay so everybody good I'm appreciating your lol's in the chat does everybody feel okay with neuroception as a at least as an entry like you don't have to have you know a PhD level understanding in it or anything but like you feel like you get Brocket enough to carry on feels like it makes enough sense okay and we'll go into it a little bit more in level two as well the other model I really like to sort of overlay with poly vagel theory that just works so well for this greenhouse project greenhouse building project is the window it's initially called the window of Tolerance it's a term coined by Dr Dan seagull um ever context too um the the course that I took with Dan seagull is called interpersonal neurobiology and it's um I don't know like six month course or something it's not as extensive as hakomi but it's lovely um so I've learned a ton from him and I I reference him and and quote him all the time um just so you know sort of where where this comes from so his model is called the window of Tolerance and it's this beautiful model I call it a model of appropriateness because how this works and I I call it window of presence a lot of hakomi people call it window of presence um basically how it works in this diagram on the right you can see the the different colored bands so the green band is basically what we could think of as the amount of I'm going to use the word presence here so that's my window of presence is the green band so that's the amount of presence that I have available to me to uh let's say output into my environment and when we have stressors kind of being tossed around in our environment what can happen is that window can get narrower and what how Dam describes it is he he brings everything back to this concept of integration so when the brain is well integrated we have a lot of presence we have a lot of capacity and when the brain is less integrated um probably because we've perceived threat or danger and there's good reasons that your brain and body does this but that what happens is we narrow the window do you want me to go into a little bit of the the Neuroscience meat and potatoes of this just for context okay I let me give you let me give you the hand the hand model this is this is again from Dan seagull so you can do this with me because it might it might help to have an actual action that goes with it I'm mean I'm going to give you his little joke that he does because it's so cute he's like I have I have a model of the brain for you all um it's under you I put under your chair so just like reach under your chair right now reach under your chair and then and then pull your hand up there's your model isn't that the worst dad joke ever worst slash best okay so this is your model it's the way to describe the brain in a little bit of anatomy and mostly in function so the the way this sort of like you know pseudo anatomical model works is that this would be your brain stem and your spinal cord coming down and then this would represent your limbic system your thumb how it kind of comes in and and and the midbrain and then your prefrontal cortex or your neocortex folds over top of it on top and the reason he uses this model with the hand is to to demonstrate how this part of the brain is your prefrontal cortex and it's your your smart brain and it's nuanced and it's a little bit slow in its process but it's very very sophisticated it's very very smart and then the midbrain is the part of the brain that's tracking for dangers and um it like sort of like our Primal stuff is happening here and and you you know research actually really clearly demonstrates that when we want to access this part of the brain and all those good qualities that you know we like to think of in self-help circles we have to have the the midbrain quiet and the front like we have to have these two parts talking to each other to put it in simple terms we have to have these a direct integration of these two parts of the brain so in Neuroscience they call this the fast and dirty track and this is the slow and accurate track and I just love this model because I think it's so relatable if you've ever had those moments where and he he calls it flipping your lid so those moments where you've gotten kind of spooked or freaked out and all of a sudden you didn't see things very clearly but you might have been very quick at your reactions that's the fast and dirty track and once you're you know you've regulated yourself and you've calmed down you're integrated and in that integrated State you might get more information is able to travel from here to here you're able to soothe you're able to quiet down lots of soothing neurochemical going on there and and this integrated State actually allows for higher thought and allows for you know compassion to the other person and all the things that we were just talking about earlier about regulating and um being present in all of those things so that's the the handy model of the brain from from Dr Dan seagull and so we can look at that in terms of this this window where if my lid is flipping a little bit maybe it's not flipped all the way but I'm starting to flip a little bit I'm starting to get a little uh unsettled then there's less distance between these two points and what happen happens is I have less presence I have less capacity in that moment to to be able to meet um what's in front of me with a lot of presence the reason why I call this a model of appropriateness is because when you really get this and when you really start applying it what you can see is that it's not just this black and white um I always need this it's more a way to look at well what do I need right now based on what level of integration I have right now or how much bandwidth do I have today and what what might I have capacity for so like going back to my story of the Cat my window is very narrow it probably would have been wise to cancel my clients because I didn't have enough um Green in order to really you know effectively meet that and earlier we talked about inflammation and the thing that that they're starting to look at now even is that that's relative so the amount of inflammatory responses I react with isn't the same dayto day based on the stimulus which is kind of like whoa this is so you know gets so nuanced but so I might go for a deep tissue massage one day and have a really wide window and a huge amount of capacity and I don't have an adverse reaction to it my body can handle it but if I go to you know on a day where my bandwidth is really low and my windows really narrow and I have that same exact deep tissue massage I always do and that's the day you know that that infl inflammatory that set of inflammatory responses went from being helpful because inflammation is actually good with you know in the right context but that would be the the day that the those inflammatory processes couldn't you know I didn't have enough energy enough bandwidth to be able to have you know all all the good things that go along with that the inflammation and then the cleanup and then the healing process and all of that okay so that is window of presence is that making sense to you okay we'll talk about it a little bit more when we get into treatment and and we'll sort of put it into practice so that you can um kind of have a way of applying it but this so this this slide isn't necessarily something we have to spend a lot of time or go into it's mainly just here for you to kind of chew on as you know it's part of your self-care but there's a practice that we can do where we can begin to bring neuroception we we we can begin to bring um that that information to conscious awareness and it helps helps us to kind of reconsolidate it so it helps us to put things into perspective and it helps us to change on the level of the story so if you're in a spiritual Community often that that the story comes up you know like and and the thoughts come up in meditation classes and things like that as the intervention at the level of unhelpful thoughts and we can get kind of get into a a a process of trying to change our story but if we have this understanding that story follows State it's so much easier to change a a mental narrative that's unhelpful if I first recognize oh that's coming out of my nervous system state in this moment like because thoughts are immed like you know once you once you're aware of the thought it's too late to change it it's already it's already there but it's come out of a of a immediate nervous system State and so on that level of immediate see we can change it we can change our nervous system state does that make sense so you can you can play with this as a practice so cultivating a felt sense of safety safety is something that I think is you know as as I said earlier like if there's one thing to take away this idea of safety is the treatment so we can look at this um and I'd love to just ask you even right now take this down and connect with yall like what are some ways if you feel someone inspired to share with us too like what are some ways that you know when you're in that more integrated space like you know in the yoga program we talk about those emergent properties what are what are some emerging what are some what are some signs that tell you that you're you're in that integrated space so like for me I I I would say I I find that settling into a relaxed mode is is quicker and easier that's one way I can kind of tell might I might have an easier time making eye contact that might be a good tell I see I see you nodding Sue do you have one it's more social engagement right I'm more more cheerful Smiley eye contact interested in in uh relating like more relational hey yeah yeah I really noticed that one in myself too yeah yeah and thank you for Chris I see your comment there getting getting time for a bio break I feel my intuitive senses flow when I'm in a more grounded State yeah actually I'm I would say I'm in that camp as well anyone else notice your intuition more when you're yeah that's see you my breathing is more settled yeah settled you smile more uh if you've been feeling cold you feel warmer oh that's interesting a temperature change anyone else noticed that your War I have to say I have to track for that one okay is this a good moment to take a break here yeah let me uh stop the recording