Today my guest is the philosopher Alexander Dugin, he is called the brain of the Kremlin, the ideologist of the Russian world, his idea today is capturing more and more minds in Europe, the United States, and all over the world, many books have been written about him. It’s hard to find a more controversial and brilliant figure, some call him a genius, others are pure evil. Today we are having a frank conversation, why do you hate Ukrainians? Ukraines hate us, but we don’t. The West was more cunning; we have been fighting with our own people for 3 years; I am not a Ukrainian myself. there will be a Margenstern to popularize the Russian language in Ukraine, he has done more than Dugin, it just seems humiliating to me you don’t think the Russian President is too soft but we haven’t won yet, we won when we resolve the issue with Ukraine I would extend my hand to the Ukrainians Let’s create a Great Empire together Are you ready to forgive Alexander Gelevich hello hello Thank you for coming for security reasons we don’t say Where we are the first question Why do you hate Ukraine well, first of all, to be honest, there is a reason Ukrainians have become a terrorist state that killed my daughter and I have a reason to hate them, but at the same time I want to say that I don’t hate them because to hate Ukrainians. In our case, it’s to hate ourselves, it’s to hate part of our people, part of our history, part of our culture. Therefore, despite the fact that there is a reason for it. In my opinion, the Ukrainians have done us and themselves immeasurably, I can’t hate them because anyway, look, we are completely asymmetrical with Ukraine these are not two national states that are fighting among themselves, this is a big whole and a part, and when a part stands on the whole hand, for example, there on the rest of the body and does not want to listen to either the mind or the other hand, not combined with other organs in but the hand You can speak Well, what is it That you don’t listen to me Why are you making some ugly gestures that what’s wrong with you and yet Your hand you can’t say Damn hand I’ll cut you off You don’t listen to the brain at all But sometimes you want to do this Come on, what are you going to do to make a cripple and she will die and you without this without this part without this you will not be yourself, therefore We are Russians We are not really on the same level as the Ukrainians, the Ukrainians hate us But we don’t understand them because this is our part And we are part in some sense, we are a single organism, is it possible to say to whom what belongs here And despite that terrible war between us, that gap in the conflict, that madness that has afflicted part of our people, everything equally Russian Human even Sai patrioti we, by and large, experience for granted as right when even we defeat the Ukrainians yes This is a victory But this is a Victory over ourselves as well This is a victory not over another This is a victory over oneself over one’s own part which simply turned out to be in a state of the most severe obsession you know when you look at a person for example in a psychiatric clinic or a holy fool for reprimands or an obsessed person there but he swears shouts he yells at you He threatens to kill you He curses God for everything human and is ready to burst onto the altar or strangle the orderly there. Well, at some point we really start to get irritated, why won’t this stop, what is this, what is this, why is this happening in a church or in a hospital? Why won’t they give me injections and yet people, if we have a soul, we understand how difficult it is for this person now, how he suffers, how that power is that Legion that entered him, how they torture him. You said you can’t be angry with hand And what do you say now to those Ukrainians who are watching us, who don’t want to be a hand, they want to be separate, well, you know, in order to be separate, in order to preserve, build their own state, in order to retain this state, in order to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity. For this, it is necessary to show an incredible historical tact of the power of construction, so in order to build this state, which wants to be free and independent, you also need to have art and it is no coincidence that Ukrainians have never historically had a state. It just seems as such. But this may not be fate Ukrainians Will Yes Wild field walk field all this is green there is not for those not for those it is very Ukrainian Well, to put it mildly, there is such a love of freedom There it is But you can’t build a state on this, especially you can’t build it if you take one part of your own to declare to the people, but the point is that in Ukraine they think that you can’t build it because Russia has been interfering for centuries, it’s not allowing it. Well, how can it not interfere when in fact we used to be one state, by the way, what is the discourse of the narrative of Ukraine? It’s correct that Kiev is our capital, it’s the forehead of Russian statehood, we’re all Kievan Rus, we’re just the eastern part of the eastern principality, which gradually in the battle for Kiev, by the way, with the Volyn and Gali princes, at some point we gained the upper hand historically they moved the grand prince's throne to the east Vladimir then to Moscow but we are part we are part of this Kiev statehood And those who now live on the territory of Ukraine, at least Western on the right bank, are those Slavs those Russians the same Russians as us who remained there the Cossacks who rose to the nobility they chose Between us between the Polish king between the Ottoman Empire Well, at a certain moment Khmelnitsky chose us this so we sometimes, for the sake of such political discourses or something, will attract this means that they chose us there, it’s a walk in the fields Today we are not us tomorrow today Mazep this is a tactical one But this is not a state, this is a people This is a people specifically formed on the frontier of our empire between our empire not the Great Russian Empire of the Russian Empire on the frontier with Western Western Europe and of course the identity of this frontier Ukraine is the frontier, it’s just that Ukraine the name of Ukraine is that the edge of one and the other but the edge - it’s always where something ends, something begins. Therefore, if for us Ukraine is the outskirts of the Russian world, then for example for Europe it is the outskirts of Europe itself, two Ukraines, which I very often ask myself. You said the outskirts And look, while the West offered the Ukrainians to be separate, to be great, to be identical, which Russia offered for centuries. Sorry, what does it mean to be great? Well, how can a small state in the global system be great? Globa About propaganda, I’m not talking about the meanings that can be you know, they really proposed how this has been for centuries, a little bit at a time, I had to write a book to be honest, to explain this, but while the West was talking, you can resist Moscow You are different, you are not like that, you have a different genetic code, you are free You are Ukrainians, you are separate Russia offered to be the outskirts And the younger brother Do you think it’s not surprising that Ukraine ultimately preferred the West Well, first of all, look The fact is that from our point of view, Ukraine is an outskirts and from the point of view of the West - this is also the outskirts only the outskirts of which the West was more cunning, I mean this, well, we’re not lying, we will be to our brothers, we tell our brothers we are one people, we are the Russian world, you have a separate cultural identity that has certainly developed over the centuries. You have a different historical experience , you have a different one. Other aesthetic and cultural codes have already been formed because you lived in different circumstances, like the Belarusians. By the way, you really became independent. Well, not all of course Novorossiy is just generally a single part of Great Russia Novorossiya is just Great Russia territory conquered by the Great Russian Empire from the Turks and everything from the Ottoman Empire. We tried more and more to liberate our Russian world, of course, some people began to settle there from Western Ukraine, this is wonderful because We believed that we were populating with our own, for us, the Ukrainians were and will be ours and with ours, of course, they don’t lie to theirs, they don’t say that you will be great on your own or if you are with us you will be great, we are telling the truth, we will be great together with you What a tragedy it was when the West took advantage of the fact that our Empire our ours The Russian world found itself in a very difficult situation after the collapse of the Soviet Union We are not communists or socialists and we are not really liberals and we are going to the West ourselves, we want to join NATO and not trying to talk about the Russian world in the nineties simply threatened with an article here in the Russian Federation Well, you said well, I said And how can I say and for many decades I seem to be for what I consider to be mine ideas for my ideas for my truth for my consistency I only suffer and and on and on and on but nevertheless the majority of it was forbidden We did not use at all the arguments with which we had to speak with the Ukrainians; moreover, we created a disgusting reserve in Russia in the nineties, an oligarchic system, we transferred power to the very bey that could have happened and how could we in such a situation when the same thing happened in the past And the Ukrainians wanted to go to the West and we wanted to join NATO and to the West and of course when the Ukrainians said Ache demand from us why we will go to the West through you, we are closer to it, we ourselves ensured, we ourselves created with our own hands an absolutely false unnaturally disgusting historically irresponsible model of relationship with the Ukrainians who, instead of attracting, claim that we are alone, we are now a great empire, now we will move away from this state of grog after the betrayal of our Elites , we will forget that usid, recently defeated in the USA, participated in the drafting of our Constitution and in your Constitution we must now overcome this and become a single truly great East Slavic horst Alexander Gilevich So you say we are united But what Ukrainians very often heard before the war before the war from, for example, Russian television screens There are very impartial statements addressed to Ukrainians, very aggressive I don’t want to quote now I can quote you there from the category of Ukraine - this is a diagnosis this is a mental illness we are now like possessed in the ward biting a battery of gauze Well, you said about it today or Ukrainianity is a sin Ukraine is a territory Ukrainians are those who live on the territory of Ukraine and many of them are infected with sin how come you say we are united well, nothing contradicts what I say The fact is that Ukrainianism is a Political ideology falsely claiming that there is a certain political nation a single united reserve that combines the National Socialist ideology with liberal principles and that the nation is unity It must necessarily attack Russia, when Ukraine gradually turned into such an authority, then all these In my opinion, all these words are fair I am ready to repeat another thing now I want to say that as it turned out, you are right when you say the West lied to the Ukrainians, said that you will be great, it was not possible they were more cunning, they were more cunning, they played styles, they created an artificial performance, they created And Russia should have lied like that, too, no, no, we just had to lie to ourselves, we lied to ourselves, this is a colossal tragedy, we are Great Russians, we are Great Russians, because we are Russians, and you, we are all Russians, but we, too, are Great Russians, to a large extent, bear the burden of it. You can’t say that some bad guys in Ukraine decided to rebel against the Russians. Where were we? Where were we with our ideas of the Russian world? Did we promote them? Did we explain in Ukraine we are gas unscrew the valve screw it together with the oligarchs Russian and Ukrainian by the way there is not much of a Slavic element together they will talk somewhere in Courchevel their projects will discuss everything and We believed that we were in control of the situation but we missed everything in this regard, the blame is distributed to a large extent not only to the West, which seduced the Ukrainians, but also to us, who did not save the Ukrainians, put themselves in an idiotic historical position, now we have been fighting with ours for 3 years our own people bleeding from both sides, the blood flows in rivers and in this case we cannot say Of course there is a War now, but we definitely need to recognize at the historical level our share of responsibility for this Tragedy, we did not represent the Ukrainian, by the way, many Ukrainians and even such conservative supporters of traditional values they Came to Russia both in the two thousand and in the nineties I say Well, what are you offering us and when they talked to me they say Well, this could be at least topic for discussion, that is, together we will recreate our traditional values, we will build a Eurasian empire, we will show all other civilizations how beautiful and great we are, but pay attention to us, look, we are still separate, I say this fits in completely with how I see our our our future and our destiny Yes, you Aristovich now mean no, who also came Yes, they came there, you know, I honestly won’t talk about the war now Well, a lot of people Yes, not only these and also, and also, and also, I and the Ukrainian were in in general, quite close relations in the nineties and in the thousandth precisely with conservatives, supporters of traditional values, not just with ordinary poly And you were now ready to establish with dialogue with these people Well, now we are fighting, you understand now we Dialogue comes down to How to say This is how the situation will turn out Well, yes, I’m saying Well, in a sense, you can say that yes, but for this, in fact, certain conditions are needed, of course, that is, I am absolutely not ready to participate in propaganda, that is, not from the side of rapprochement or from the side of continuing hostilities, there are a lot of people who are actually doing this, but I want to say that And I don’t see that now on the Ukrainian side there is that opportunity to listen us, maybe I’m wrong, I would be very glad to be wrong, the opportunity to listen to you and me, just listen and not immediately not shout there, don’t throw around labels. You know, I still get posts every day on various social networks And such posts as we are happy that your daughter died, how we want to kill you How you have little time left, and this is every day The rage and hatred that the Ukrainians feel towards us, it has nothing to do with our generally quite harsh attitude now, if we could overcome this I would be happy You ’re asking the question correctly, I’m even wondering now, can I talk to after everything that happened? Well, we’ll have to talk. We live in one state in one power, we’re still alone, we’re one people, we’re the Russian world. Sooner or later we’ll have to. And of course, when I see that what chances did we have to establish real contact in the nineties and in the two thousandths and after the fourteenth year, and we are here again and again, I don’t even know who bothers me more? in fact, Kiev or some representatives of our Russian elite who are so careless about the Great Art, the power of construction, the empire of construction, which treats so superficially the incredibly responsible mission that is entrusted to them in our history. Ukraine, we were obliged to think about Ukraine at all, well, after our collapse, it was certainly even better before our collapse in the year Aleksandrevich Well, that’s how it happened. I know very well how the Ukrainians treated Russia throughout how these sentiments changed throughout the years, you just said that Ukrainians for the most part hate Russians and I can’t argue with you, I can’t argue with you, but I want to say that for example, back in 2008, not so long ago, more than 90% of Ukrainians had a good or very good attitude towards Russia according to the results of sociology. But like on numerous shows that I hosted during my work on Ukrainian television, I heard thousands of times from nationalists, we must join NATO, we must be stronger because Russia will attack anyway and people in Kharkov in Kiev in other cities the nationalists didn’t believe them until February 24th they were marginalized in Ukraine I speak responsibly about this But it turns out after a year they turned out to be right Well, as you know, if that’s how you should say Such a healthy man, imagine a little boy comes up and says now this uncle will hit me uncle doesn’t hit me then he takes a stone throws his uncle in the face uncle says stop being a hooligan then he takes the glass and can’t reach it maybe more than some to his body he begins to cut his legs there, drive them into nails Yes, as for that pull, that’s what I do, I then say now, after all, my uncle will hit me, now it’s called Self FF about That is, if I do something, for example, there I will say, let me be a prophet, now I’m predictable, then you insist if you insult the Russians If you are preparing to deny the Russian language, which is spoken there by 90% or 100% of Ukrainians, they have the right to at least some kind of existence If you constantly provoked and someone stronger and you also do this so that from the hall of bushes an uncle of generally comparable height appears Well, you look like scoundrels, the Ukrainian nationalists behaved like scoundrels, real scoundrels they provoked us and really pulled out of the bushes a completely non-Ukrainian completely non-Russian who has nothing to do with your or our tradition because the tradition, in principle, we have one uncle who started as if from behind the shoulder of this cross-country ability the small one began a really real serious felling here with us And all this at the cost of this boy, through whom some step on his head, trample on him, some pass through trampling him, others approach him, trample him, but this is a pitiful fate. That is, I imagine that if we were dealing, for example, with some state that was really capable of justifying its sovereignty, and this state began to fight on an equal footing with another state, answering its sovereignty. But here who is whom, like Germany, for example, Germany was a great country, not now, of course, the great country of the USSR and Germany challenged. Was Hitler sovereign? Was Stalin sovereign? Yes, and we decided Who belongs to Freedom for who to be and who not to be in Germany after this Great Patriotic War of ours. No, there is no field simply for some kind of terrible liberal experiments, and Russia exists thanks to the fact that we won then. Therefore, if we talk about such a competition, let’s say, let’s say a terrible historical competition on equal terms, I understand what kind of greatness Germany was talking about. This Greatness they did not defend the right to it, they lost and became pitiful but, in principle, defeated rivals. How could the Ukrainian nationalists claim this? they could only start the process of disintegration and they can’t stop it; the sovereign is the one who can make a decision about the start of the war and the end of the war, that’s the sovereign now we see that the Ukrainians simply acted as a trigger, this is what is called as they are no more sovereign than the Islamic state , which is banned in the Russian Federation, I don’t know how on the territory of this political authority it relates to the ISIS, but here they are prohibited And in the same way, the nationalist created such a simulacrum of a radical terrorist formation that exists exclusively at the expense of external resources This is not a war between us and Ukrainian nationalists, this is the use of the West by the globalist liberal West, which has nothing in common with the ideology of Ukrainian identity of sovereignty against us, that is, I don’t see any heroism in the behavior of those who could not defend Ukraine as a sovereign state could not guarantee its territorial integrity, he is a real nationalist, yes, what if the territory that is under its own jurisdiction now finds that they remain there at any cost, a nationalist so that this the second didn’t go away so that it was long so that the Solidarity of Nasta’s society for it is difficult to build relationships with neighbors from none of these neighbors Other chances may present challenges third alliances all this must be acted on the basis of one’s own interests and the Ukrainian nationalists are those who destroyed the Ukrainian national state they undermined its territorial integrity they weakened it they carried it into a situation that is hopeless for Ukraine as a sovereign state the conflict has already been destroyed is already growing to go the same way TM these are some not real nationalists, Ukrainian nationalists have always received financial support from abroad, a gang of others had everything, it means they are not nationalists at all, they are not for their own sovereignty, and here I think that this was a Trap and what supposedly look everyone is saying to the Moskalyak to the Gilyak in the fourteenth year, and the Russians don’t know who is louder all the time. We also hear you understand, okay Mekan go let me everyone let's say that there will be how long this tran will endure, but I think a week will listen to this, in a week there will be a special military operation to eliminate drug cartels in the North in the north of the city, which can calmly in Mexico Mexico reach the south of Ale there. If more specifically, you predicted a lot of things in your book, the basics of geopolitics, more than 2 years ago, here again, 25 years ago they wrote out Long-distance existence , the territory should be divided into several zones you Do you think that Ukraine cannot exist as a state, you know for me this is the beginning of the nineties, I saw it especially there against the backdrop of the joy of the Ukrainian that is the first first edition of Ukrainian nationalism, I saw in the late nineties that in general we are trying to do something with Ukraine and then I noticed that both the Ukrainian leadership and our country there we are trying to find the option in which a sovereign Ukraine could exist and in the later chapters of the fundamentals geopolitics, this idea is stated that Ukraine can exist as a state if it recognizes that there are at least two peoples there who should have their own In your opinion, Ukraine’s own could exist as a state, I think that with Ukraine there is no end to exist in any case, but again no Well, let this be decided firstly. Our victory is ours, our battlefield, our leaders, that is, ours. I mean the American Russians, we will decide this; the Russians will decide; the Supreme Commander-in-Chief with those who are the real actors of this war. This is a question in the long term; even so, in the medium term, Ukraine will not; the historical attempt to create national statehood on its own has completely failed or let’s say postponed for an indefinite period, but now we are in a war and talk about what will happen after its end. It seems to me a little premature from my point of view, the historical chance for an independent national political existence of Ukraine has been exhausted, it has been spent, it has been lost in a new one, maybe in some kind of cut for us, it can exist, but it’s already some kind of crippled people who have survived and not real prosperity, so Ukraine In the ninety-first year, it got the chance for the first time in history to become an independent national state, the task was to find to build such policy to find a balance between us as part of the Russian world and Western Europe, maybe become a bridge, become some kind of intermediate zone, become a common frontier, not a border that would separate us from the West, but that frontier, where Western, even not Western, East Europe is gradually flowing into Eurasia and vice versa, and this is all the prerequisites for this , listen, if Ukraine were really a bridge between, for example, Germany and Russia, what problems of course neither And then look at this art of building powers here at some point, when a mature historical people builds their own state or preserves their state, they have already been studying this art for centuries, here they need to be a little softer, here they need to be tougher, someone like Putin actually won the second Chechen company, he actually won it only after he decided Chechnya, for example, the traditional Islamic Chechnya of Kadyrov and Kadyrov’s father Akhmat Kadyrov Ramzan Kadyrov She has the right to her own identity, we have not leveled it with the land we will not replace the Chechens, I specially went to Chechnya I have a film from Chechnya and for me it was the greatest discovery what I saw there and that’s why now Akhmad is fighting with us against the West in Ukraine and this art kept the construction going but look if the Ukrainian rulers said, here we have Western Ukraine, they have their own political cultural feature, their own identity Yes, well, we have Eastern Ukraine with a completely different population with other orientations with other priorities with other cultural codes, it doesn’t matter what language they speak, this is a really good question. Could Ukraine have remained an independent state? Yes, in my opinion, it could have, that is, by and large, if it had. The more it insisted on a clear Western orientation, as it was historically, the more it approached, we are not talking about the same directly strict political imperative. It was likely that Ukraine would collapse if Ukraine followed the path it followed, but the collapse of Ukraine would not preserve Ukraine with Crimea, look, I’m talking nano. A criminal thing for ours with Crimea, Ukraine could exist if it took a position that is approximately the same as that occupied by Lukashenko and Belarus, here is the Belarusian stage, which also received nuclear weapons for itself, of course, and by the way, in many respects, he preserves his sovereignty in our favor so carefully and carefully, he actually acquired sovereignty, some of his opponents will say a lot there that this is at the cost of freezing many processes Maybe be but in fact, Belarus is a fairy tale, it’s just a showcase, it’s an amazing society, and by the way, the Belarusian identity there is very strong, they didn’t do anything in relations with us, maybe even we ourselves are surprised how this is possible. This is because Lukashenko Alexander Gech is really what one person knows, Belarus did not exist as a historical state, but he found this formula, he found in himself and in his people some keys to the power, he did not split into the West There were Belarusian Westerners there too. They even tried to overthrow Lukashenko but he somehow showed toughness somewhere I have an answer to this question I am familiar with all the presidents of Ukraine And I am familiar with Lukashenko and the answer is very simple Lukashenko is a patriot, unlike them all Well, he is a nationalist, he is a real Ukrainian I apologize, he is a real Belarusian nationalist who, in difficult historical circumstances, has achieved the preservation of the sovereignty of his country, a balance in relations between the West and Russia, he has received the protection of his sovereignty through nuclear weapons and our union and at the same time retained his independence, including from us, imagine if you say this, of course, nationalism is not a good word, but he is the real one. Say the most accurate thing: he is a Patriot, he is a Patriot of Belarus, and having found himself in a very difficult situation, Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko came out of it with honor because even now Belarus is independent, now it is peaceful, it is not torn apart by conflicts Yes there were political problems Yes there was disappointment of the population I think that there are different moods there, but there are no such crimes there at all. Peaceful life. He created for his state his people at least thirty years of sovereignty. But is this really comparable to what the unpatriotic Ukrainian presidents did? As you say, unpatriotic Ukrainian presidents. I also met, well, I once spoke in pomo with Kravchuk at some point. But his position. I would even ask a question on the Perm Channel, but you understand. If you continue, I was no longer president, I said, if you just talk, Ukraine won’t last long, says No, you should the sun leave there, the enemies you are bad In what year was this somewhere on television, that is, in somewhere in the years When Kravchuk was no longer president But I’m saying that you just committed a crime with a collapsed non-paradigm that could ensure sovereignty, serious independence, the sovereignty of your state, so I also think that this is nationalism and a lack of patriotism. The leadership lacks some kind of main thing, maybe there is a historical historical ability to build a power, you know. It’s like an artist, an artist says, take the same blue colors the same teachers, one will draw the sea, what we will say is this sea, and the other will draw some kind of Blot of some kind of Rorschach blot, so it seems to me that this is the difference between a power of construction that is successful and not, that is, and everyone will see a successful power of construction, they will say Well, this power sees everything, this simulacrum this daub says Well, excuse me, it was probably better for you not to go into painting. But for example, into music or into agriculture. It seems to me that it just wasn’t found, maybe that’s it Ukrainians that there was not that ruler or that leader whom he was simply able to somehow catch and grasp the challenge of the historical moment, because there really was a window of opportunity to create a dependent national state, this was historically almost never the case within the incredible borders there, including the huge additional acquisitions of empires of land and just a little bit. I wish I had been a little more attentive to the delicacy, but no. And here, by the way, I understand why you know why I am an ethnic Ukrainian myself, I have Ukrainian roots, my mother’s last name is Anufrienko I I know what a Ukrainian is on the inside, that is, a Ukrainian is only in itself, it’s some kind of incredibly idiotic stubbornness, it’s just stubbornness that makes you worse, you’re still on your own, I somehow noticed this in myself since childhood, and therefore for me, this is how the solution to the Ukrainian problem is also some kind of psychoanalytical moment because I know what an inner Ukrainian is and I find out that of course, in order for a Ukrainian to build a state, I need my Russian part Great Russian here is the Great Russian part in order to turn my individual existence into something more or less acceptable Ukraine needs to be placed somewhere on me to make him an exile he needs to be made a sergeant for example as a sergeant he will do great But as soon as we give him the right to dispose of the army himself he will simply turn his personal destiny into some kind of Nightmare he is stubborn he is short-sighted but very important and expensive because he is inside And this is our self and that’s how We are Russians and we see Ukrainians as their own, but who somehow absolutely don’t want to be in that place of which the most So it would be the right time It’s easy to take this place, but Lukashenko is a peasant from the people from the land that’s how he, such a Belarusian one, also didn’t really hold up the construction, it’s like an element of excellence, how he was able to realize the creation of such an attractive, charming East Slavic sovereign state, it’s some kind of mystery, it’s just that it’s really a mystery, maybe the Ukrainians would have succeeded, but he should still in my case, that’s all. It’s just that I just choose my side, I fix the Ukrainian side, I have a Magnificent Empire, it turns out to be an internal Empire, in my opinion. it seems this is the best option, maybe there was some other option But then you understand there is another identity that looms, this is Poland, I generally understand Poland well, they are like our brothers who have broken away from us all this time. We followed the Catholic path, we followed the Orthodox one and we decided who is next Zayd and we are on the bunks even they were stronger than us argued argued argued after the third partition of Poland it turned out that Well, this Eastern brother who chose Byzantium and not the pope, he defeated accordingly and I understand how they us they really hate them, they understand why, because to live there under a brother who turned out to be right and with him before that, to fight on an equal footing for several centuries, I understand that I hate us Well , where are the Ukrainians ? Ksenzov, we are heroes of the Orthodox resistance We are Ukrainians and of course when the Russian Great Russians came Let them , too, be far from perfect But it is their own liberators who have come. This seems to me like that inner Ukrainian, he can only live like this. He only perceives himself as a Ukrainian, of course, he reacts very vividly to Ukrainian songs in the Ukrainian language, by the way, which I actually love, but now it has really turned into alas, alas, they politicize in so many Russian people Alexander Gich That's who is to blame before what to do you know at the World Cup Zelensky’s rating is holding up I think it would be more correct to say all these wars and on one simple narrative we have already won Ukraine has already won When Russia moved away from Kiev I say absolutely responsibly that the majority of Ukrainians think so they moved away from Kiev they didn’t succeed in 3 days how Ukraine wants to be with Russia if it considers it weak well you know The thing is that it’s also a Ukrainian idea the Ukrainians chose Zelensky because he didn’t no Ukrainian, they just thought that he was somehow with Russia since he is not Ukrainian, he would come to an agreement better, but he turned out to be so, he did not become a Ukrainian, he just began to play a completely different role, he began to play the role of a sort of spiritualistic seance when they call out some kind of Bandera, or I want to say that according to my version, it was Zelensky who divided the Ukrainians into Forgive the Ukrainians, they may have ratified the Ukrainians Well, look, I actually think that there is another Well, we are talking about independence, Ukrainians do not want to be dependent on Russia, which means they depend on a non-Ukrainian who led them to disaster this time, but that’s not all and also depends on the West, which is also not Ukrainian at all and whose main task is to inflict maximum damage on Russians with Ukrainian hands and Ukrainian lives. Is this both the first and second a sign of the Ukrainian idea or, as it were, Ukrainian power? As for our departure from Kiev, there are two points of view here but our official narrative says that it was a cunning plan. I don’t want to give myself away in this situation. I don’t think so. I think that we simply planned that our threatening actions and approach to Kiev would cause progress on the Kiev side so that we would resolve several fundamental issues, that is, we will not take Kiev, but we will just come up and negotiations will begin. Apparently, as far as I know from sources, including Witnesses of the participants in these processes, there really were such agreements; we arrived in Istanbul and there, almost everything was already decided, what suited us then without any capture of Kiev without any continuation, and in general at that time suited the Kiev leadership, then, as we know, Boris Johnson arrives malol that he deliberately dresses poorly, does not comb his hair, looks ugly on purpose. Sometimes such harsh formulations use why Well, is it tough? Well, who does he know? You just don’t understand if at all Yes, it’s giving up nring now here is the artificial intelligence Ilona Mas, who himself was horrified by the fact that artificial intelligence is the question What is better: the nuclear destruction of humanity or nring or the wrong name of the gender definition of some kind of artificial intelligence answered that it’s worse Minden, that is, in my opinion, it’s much better to just stay within the framework of reality and call things by their proper names than to use this politically correct politically correct language and if this the sweaty language there goes beyond some boundaries or the trace is not followed, there will be a nuclear war, so I have nothing against Boris Johnson, to be honest, and against his face and appearance and demeanor, you never know what kind of people there are, it’s like they say, so you can sympathize more quickly, but in any case, this creature comes and says to Zelensky But if you now refuse what you signed, then we will help you in everything and the Russians will retreat and then he really is NATO, Biden, all the structures of the Western world they say We are ready We are ready for war in order to support you in the war with the Russians you will not be able to cope with you too much Zelensky starts the war with, or rather after ours, he is ready to respond with our own forces to our offensive They will not be enough He understands this, he signs the paper is coming says here it is, here it is reinforcements and of course we didn’t expect this This is of course our strategic miscalculation or maybe not Alexander I recently had a discussion with Professor Sham with Professor Dean and now they both believe that Russia has already won, we have already won say you don’t think so I mean about Kiev We didn’t expect we had to leave Maybe that’s what we should have maybe that was the plan because I’m not going to get deep into the debt there right now But those prophesied from maybe from outside I don’t think so to be honest no good that I know well I don’t agree that Russia has already won or not well I wouldn’t listen to such words to argue with them Let them speak with a good conversation recently Turals after this interview I’m a toxic element I would like to believe that we are popular in the West at the same time and not only in the West, but also in the East, by the way, it’s interesting, but you know, this is really a serious question about all the same, Regarding Kiev and Then we will come to what you are talking about. About the current state, I think that we have fundamentally underestimated What the West is, by and large, our president has developed and the West has underestimated Russia, and even then we have underestimated each other, firstly, I think our president, he really has some kind of assurances from the Western He believed in the leaders because during his presidency they created the feeling that they, in principle, behave according to some kind of algorithm and comply with the agreement there, the Nord Stream is accepted, and the cries that we don’t need the Nord Stream there, that some other agreements remain just propaganda, of course, I don’t think he allowed that now the West will consider that it is necessary to start a war with us, up to a nuclear one, that is, seeing these people, communicating with them, receiving them in the Kremlin, meeting at all sorts of international events Putin just had the impression that it’s not just that he can be trusted, but that the West is out of his mind, but that he the West decided to wage war with hands, feet, heads, internal organs of Ukrainians with us, but it didn’t occur to him because there were no such signs. I think that this was such a definite underestimation of the two levels of the West, because here, just like now, we know after the Trump revolution that all all the conspiracy theories turned out to be true, the day after Trump’s arrival, it was officially announced practically that all the existing conspiracy theories turned out to be absolutely correct And everything that was presented as the truth by the final authorities by these mainstream media, it all seemed like nonsense and disinformation and political propaganda, you are considered an ideologist, the brains of the Kremlin, you are called I don’t know, this is very common, you know this, they wanted to go because I am a conservative, I have a fairly consistent [music] antilia political philosophy, starting from childhood, they decided to use this for demonization of Putin, what if Putin supposedly has such an adviser I have never been an adviser to Putin Gami the Kremlin, if he has such an adviser, then he himself is bad, I’m bad And when was the last time you met him I’m not answering this question. Sorry, but look, this was the first idea. What does that mean I’m bad? Because I’m not liberal back then, there was still liberalism; if someone isn’t liberal, then it’s all over for him, now everything is different. And now they found a clearly not liberal political philosopher who writes books, who conduct analysis, compare them with some of Putin’s actions, they found a correspondence. I was in Washington in 2005 and they presented my ideas on one side of Putin’s action scheme, and on the other, mine statements from the eighties and more don’t ask what kind of relationship they have You just look at this picture and then make up your own mind Yeah and so in order to demonize Putin once again so that I would never really cooperate with Putin Because if not Without being his adviser the West calls me his adviser also attributes to Putin ideas of action motives that he does not share at all of course may not irritate, it’s just a conscious work not only against Putin but at the same time if anything and against Russia because when patriots and in general people come together, each on his own and on the Great level of Putin on a modest level I, as a political philosopher, if we started to get closer, but I think that the West would have a harder time in fact because our political philosophy is of course lame in Russia, it exists on a residual principle, we rejected communism, we rejected it, it was probably right liberalism, we kind of went along with it for a long time, this is generally a toxic thing, we also somehow began to overcome it and now we are in that state uncertainty, we are no longer communists, no longer liberals, but there is no point yet, not a philosophy, we are dealing with a philosophy that does not attack liberally and we would have to oppose this philosophy with our buttress, so imagine that the West would be ready to go to war with us until destruction, then I think we would have built a Nau strategy regarding Ukraine, even maybe even before the fourteenth year, in a completely different way, that is, we still overestimated I think at the level the political leadership overestimated the rationality and pragmatism of Western leaders who turned out to be simply fanatics, about pragmatism about pragmatism, I’ll give a couple of your quotes, the most terrible Geta will be created for surfers This is the most arrogant anti-Jewish phenomenon there is nothing more disgusting than riding with a white-toothed person on this dock and also your quote while we were doing round dances, no one could defeat us on TV we need to show round dances on the radio we need to sing round dances in schools and in institutes they need to teach the art of leading round dances. What do you think would most likely touch the minds of young people in Ukraine to be a white-toothed sphero at a ball or to lead round dances in Russia, look when I talked about round dances, I was just talking about it Izzy, maybe it doesn’t look at all like what I think from the inside he was hinting at the book of Plato’s laws. Plato has an idea of how to build a correct State, and now Plato says that driving round dances is the Reproduction at the level of people of the movement of planets and constellations, therefore, this means bringing human life, human existence , human leisure and even the political system in accordance with the laws of the highest spiritual laws of the cosmos, that is, in fact, a round dance is a rudiment of a very ancient culture of a very ancient philosophy, it looks funny, now I’m not even talking about round dances But about approaches, that’s what young people would rather accept to be surfers at a ball with white teeth now about surfers means watch surfing ZM surfing is a metaphor for the postmodern philosopher lived Deleuze which, with the help of this metaphor, describes the so-called rimas existence existence without strict reference to territory without territoriality without a value system This is not a movement towards some goal, it is pure meaningless leisure which teaches people to move from nowhere And nowhere instead of work to value leisure and this leisure which is simply associated with movement through the sea elements adaptation to what is happening outside of you Without you Without yours without yours and subjective involvement therefore, in fact, this is civilization Surfing is civilization is what they plan to flaunt, fundamentally nothing, but in such places there are quite a lot of people on Tverskaya for Ukrainians it’s easier to sell Alexander Gelich because we live to sell as an idea like Well, it’s clear, but the point is that you know the pig will find dirt. Now, if you turn a person more and more to base things, to base things, he will gradually learn to perceive these base things as his own norm. Therefore, in my opinion, you paid attention to how obscene language began to spread in Ukraine. But of course, it’s easier to speak in a rude language. It’s easier for the refined to move with the flow than climb Kolu But in this there are two, this is a choice, that is, there is a choice of the discipline of the spirit of perfection of the sublime and there is an attraction to the simplified to the sliding transition to a lower level of existence and when one system moves to a lower level of existence, that is, instead of effort, it prefers such smoothness, the sliding, say, rolls down the hill and there is a change in the orientation of humanity. By the way, I don’t think I don’t think that Ukrainian youth are so fundamentally vicious. That’s how stupid and how it’s primitive that she’s an auto they want to make her like that, I don’t think then they wouldn’t have gone to the front they wouldn’t have gone to the front then that’s what you know now, but they would have been skating somewhere An interesting thought came to my mind is what you just said about climbing a rock or gliding through the waves, you know and you talked about it and I realized that you could now find a common language with a Ukrainian nationalist who returned from the front and who really believes that he is honest much more than the general You could find with him than, for example, yes, a person I don’t know in Poland goes to rallies for Ukraine and shouts what is necessary until the last Ukrainian, while he himself lies on the sofa Well, this is vile Of course Yes no That’s why I say that the paradox in any in any culture there are people who prefer the values of service to the values of heroism, even if it is heroism, alas on the part of the enemy on the part of the enemy I always appreciate and traditionally We always valued heroes Genghis Khan hated traitors and so the people who surrendered to him were afraid of the battle he them executed everyone and the people who killed to the last Even if there was only one left and he stood, he says you will be my generals, there is something in this. I therefore think that of these two types, it was you yourself who showed an example that someone chose such a round dance of eternal masculinity, such a correspondence Let it be a falsely understood but an ideal or simply under the person who is running away from a confrontation with death and nevertheless, but with to It is easier to come to an agreement Well, you can’t talk to someone who avoids a battle with him at all, because this is no one with such people who just don’t respect themselves a little talk in general because it’s dirt and a person becomes a person when he really doesn’t let him climb some kind of rock on some kind of stone or climb some kind of hill and of course a person who defends his maybe false ideals in his very life is more worthy for what you can talk to he’s wrong he ’s not wrong this will show either war or peace but in any case peace lies with those who are worthy the one who has truly proven that he is something of himself the one who from Ukraine organizes ugly performances or threatens the Russians in networks people Well, it’s [ __ ] they’re just for any people if we said that the Russian people don’t fight but support and somewhere from Miami there or from some beaches they would also be disgusted by our people now, by the way, there’s no such thing because they’re at the front because all the real Russian people are helping the front or fighting or ready to come to me hem recently just such a young man who’s going to defend his dissertation on some topic on globalization he says you can be a scientific director I say yes, let him say, but maybe for a year and a half you will still work here, I don’t know how. How to make plans for everything is very difficult. But the fact is that I’m leaving, so I’ll come and the contract guy from MGIMO graduated from MGIMO, diplomatic career looks great, collected, intellectual, that’s what he was missing. And he goes there because a decent Russian Man goes to defend his state, his Fatherland, which is in danger, this is natural and by the way, I think that people who Let them make the wrong choice But who make the choice of a warrior, they really in fact, even the sides of the enemy deserve respect. GEC about youth You know what was, say, the main method of Russian propaganda language in Ukraine among young people in recent years, Russian rap, you proposed executing Margenstern, his producer, but just recently Margenstern’s new album took first place in Ukrainian Apple Music, don’t you think that Margenstern did more to popularize the Russian language in Ukraine than Dugin, but of course not No, well, I don’t want to compare it, it just seems humiliating to me, it’s some kind of monster. Why do you think that this is bad if it promotes the Russian Russian language is not the Russian language there is not a single word in Morgenstern in Russian, he distorts all the words, this is some kind of narcotic perversion, and I think that this is Akim Apachev. Here is a Russian rap to Akim, who even sings in the language. This is another matter, in my opinion, this is rap, I really don’t like to admit rap, but here I have to say that Akim Apachev, who sings in the movie, pleve kacha, pleve kacha, this is actually In my opinion, Propaganda, this is a Ukrainian song. This is really Propaganda Propaganda should be cunning, let’s say Yes, if Akim Apachev openly I probably won’t quote it now , but nevertheless Yes, there Armata is carrying me, yes, that is, everything can be clear Propaganda should be more cunning, no, it can and should be Well, without going any lower than some lower than some limits, relo Kant is like that. Please note that they still listen to Russian music. It’s better to talk about sigma battle, Sigma fight, that’s great. No, of course, well. I might like this, the thing is that there is a Sigma fight. It’s a very interesting moment because everyone is singing already now, we have some kind of military orchestras singing SIBO and students and everyone sings Sigma fight and they banned Sigma fight, but the thing is that here is a very interesting moment Sigma fight who is it, it’s not Alpha male, that is, if there was a song Alpha male Alpha male There’s like Take me there after a disco there home or after a club it wouldn’t be Russian song Why is it Russian Not because Russian teenagers but because in it the girl prefers Botany the girl prefers B What is a Sigma man Sigma man is a programmer is an intellectual is a philosopher This is an artist is someone who in such a direct perception is not associated with all-conquering intellectuality That’s what I really liked about this song sig Because in itself I even tell our military, look, you sing with this And you yourself read there, for example, Rin Gerard Yes, because in principle Sigma fight Sigma fight is about that young man who came to the company and talks about, for example, what is the philosophy of Rene Gerard, a scapegoat, and that’s how, in fact, we now have such a genius, a completely political vice president of the United States of America, who read Rene Gerard, that is, Sima fight is, in principle, About this, that is, a nerd - it sounds humiliating N although Musk himself, for example, is such a successful nerd that it’s difficult to imagine himself more successfully, he calmly behaves like when they say N - this is a nerd or Sigma Boy He says Yes, great and I’m a successful sigma That is, in principle, this is about this This song is about how a very intelligent young man liked a girl who has taste and who has certain criteria and she is happy that she will spend some time with him. I think this is very very correct orientation, correct orientation towards strong-willed men about the ideology that Russia offers Here you are during your visit to the United States back in In 2005, after a meeting with Brzezinski, they said the power of the West is not only brute force, but also a cultural code. We in Russia, you meant, we need to develop a symmetrical Answer, it was developed, no, only now we are approaching this, we had an absolutely paralyzing Western civilization. Therefore, we don’t need to develop special codes, we can take their code. We can take their technologies and take their products and only adapt to ourselves the fact that Russia has realized itself as a state of civilization, namely a state of civilization, civilization and not just a state, really needs its own. subtle power soft power in our traditional values in defense of our way of life, we realized, alas, very, very late when everything was almost lost. We began to revive technically; thanks to contacts from the West, we began to gradually build our own economic potential by copying their models, but copying in relation to ourselves and at some point, when all this ended after ours, we realized that this was impossible. It was only then that our leadership was forced to come to the conclusion that we really need truly soft power because we need our own affirmation of our own civilization in education and in science and in culture and in propaganda, if you like, but we are just approaching this in the third 3 years of the war are already behind us and we have not yet really been involved in this process of developing our soft Power because what, for example, is soft the strength of Ukraine in this war It’s not Ukrainian, it’s just Western Western models of technology that suggest quite cleverness for fraud for lying for deception and it works, alas it works and we are somehow still focused on not even so much telling the truth because the Russians are not sure that they know it, the Russians feel it and are looking for it But when you are looking for you are in such a slight always slight uncertainty that is it true that is for you it is yes But is it so in this and there is Greatness in my opinion of the Russian people, that they are an unhurried people, they are not a superficial people, but they try to live in truth, to reach out to the truth and to do the truth. But here he is somehow a little embarrassed to speak. I noticed that Dostoevsky’s heroes pronounce the most accurate ideal formulas when they are preceded by such a phrase. I am of course a tongue-tied person . I’ll still say, Forgive me for Christ’s sake if I go on and on about a brilliant phrase worthy of a niche there as a great thinker simply grandiosely or Christian Christian saints just at an even higher level and then again begins to apologize, that is, this is very Russian and in this regard Propaganda or soft power maybe we are somehow offended by the rudeness of these and such cynicism of these approaches Yes, therefore, maybe it’s also an internal reluctance to become like m with whom we are fighting, especially since we have discovered that we are at war with pure evil. But now the United States has taken a course towards conservatism, in fact, it has taken over the primacy from Russia in this matter. What do you think Russia should now export as an ideology, given that the United States has always been ahead in matters of traditionalism of religion? There is no question of traditionalism of religion. The United States was in last place until last month. this project of modernity, secondly, it is the Form of some radical Protestant sects that escaped from European culture and created a very unique Civilization there, and moreover, starting in the twenties of the 20th century after Wilson, they also preferred to engage in the global. Well, you agree, you agree that now America is intercepting this, I agree, I just want to clarify something else. I want to clarify that they were never actually pioneers in traditional values after Wilson. They are generally they said that our goal of America is the defense of liberal democracy and not American values And for the last 40 years it began I think with Reagan and this is what America simply represented, especially there after Clinton, it represented the complete opposite of everything that can be called the Christian traditional human family, it simply followed a straight line, and Russia, perhaps a little instinctively, may not have been radical enough after the arrival of Putin, began to rebuild this same movement in the same Western liberal direction as it did in the nineties gradually change the tack and we reached again only after the decree of traditional values only after the beginning of ours we recognized that traditional values should be protected by the state we have been moving towards this for 22 years, that is, Putin’s rule, we are constantly shifting the window and verton, but so no one noticed, that is, once again, it seems like we are a liberal society and it seems like we are not giving up, it seems like we are part of Western civilization, we are part of the western part of Western civilization, we are liberal, we are democratic, we are part of the West, you are already looking We are not democratic, not part of Western civilization and not part of liberal values, and only in 20 in the second year, in my opinion, determination sets in and the president says I sign decree 809 on traditional values, that is, by and large, we have done a lot of work and consolidated it only recently. What is happening in America now Yes And of course, in this regard, in protecting traditional values, Russia in any case was, as it were, one of the main forces in the world, they were guided by it, and the Olympics actually took place, let’s say Yes, and people, even for example in Europe, looked at it Well, excuse me, but what is it, as it were, Better then already and now, as it were, already this trump card seems to be missing. This is interesting, that is, we gradually really came to the defense of traditional values and and If you look at it like this, Putin has been shifting the overtone window since the first day of his tenure as president, sometimes even sharply sometimes So gradually, or even simply, he quotes a conservative philosopher, either Dostoevsky or Solzhenitsyn, with just such Slavophile strokes, he seemed to decorate his speeches, which gradually gradually developed into a kind of political philosophy. But what is striking in America is that they took it and instantly implemented it, that is that's what we did 20 there for 5 years gradually Trump ended the gender policy in a month, he banned knew transgender people from the army, that is, in general, we didn't accept them there and didn't accept transgender people, that is, we can't even say We were the first to kick them out because we never took them there at all And for America it sounds very very innovative to the entire previous forty-year movement towards liberalism of postmodern Satanism, that is, Trump I agree Trump is now like this with his saber with his tann that's what this is a dance you know yes yc what is it Yes when they don’t just dance yc Village People this is the name of the Christian Youth organization imco that’s what they were called they published imko pres this is now from the point of view of liberals this is an Ultra-right Youth organization because a healthy family Christian values about the refusal of abortion and Trump with this those of this song he actually and with his dance he at once as brightly as he walked at once turned the ship of American politics American 180° he just lay down on a completely different tack And this change is colorful and bright every day on Twitter Musk publishes about the defeat of some other perverted Ministry, then usaid is closed on which all of Ukraine exists, just like once and in one day nothing happened, that Ministry of Education which children are taught perversion from a young age and in fact Trump this canned revolution of his, he turned it into a Giant world show and his vice president with a beard can you imagine when I am the first such family-loving video I wrote down how many such cynical comments I received and then it turned out that Broda and a man are almost inseparable things, that is, it was like that in any tradition, it’s not only among us Christians, it ’s also in Islam, it’s also in Judaism, that is, in general, men and Beard are synonymous, and before they somehow laughed at me that love of family is such a stupid word, frankly, but for the Old Believers, it’s quite so love of family, Jedi Vance Arriving in Ramstein for a conference in terms of security, he just did it, because we are for the truth and Our truth, that is, traditional values, it turned out that those who were picked up can rejoice as idealists, we should rejoice. But on the other hand, it’s a shame, of course, that we were so humiliated for this, so in fact we are fighting for these traditional values, we were denied this right to demonize us, kill for these traditional values. And suddenly it turned out that we were right, so I don’t think that we know the truth, you can’t privatize if we are right, then let’s be right with us, this will be our victory, so I’m here I don’t feel such competitiveness or competition with America in traditional values, it’s just the other way around. It’s more like a recognition that we are right. Well, what kind of geopolitical conclusion will Trump draw from this is another question, but from an ideological point of view, we simply won. We, the Russians, by standing up for the defense of traditional values, won the whole world because not only Trump now agrees with us , but with us. According to both India and China, the Islamic world Africa Latin America, we won in the global south and now it turns out that we are winning now together with Trump from an ideological point of view and in the collective West, which has ceased to be collective, and what next? In your works, you spoke many times about the inevitable war between Russia and the West with the advent of Trump, with whom you rather sympathize. Your forecast has changed. Firstly, my forecast has already come true. We are at war with the West in Ukraine, not with Ukraine. But in Ukraine with the West, that’s why this is no longer a forecast . it is inevitable when it is going on now I think that it has a certain chance of ending because I don’t dare to say And even more so when but now we are coming to a completely different situation ideologically We won this war, that’s what I agree with you mentioned Mearsheimer Glenn Disna I don’t think that we have now completely won the West we have not defeated the West but we have repulsed the attack from the liberal globalist West of the Atlantic West who wanted to inflict a strategic defeat on us, he definitely did not achieve this in this sense we too won because we haven’t lost yet, but we haven’t won yet, we won when we resolve the issue with Ukraine, then we can truly say in this war we have won, we are starting the next stage. That is, I’m not talking about the war that will be. I’m talking about the fact that this war will end, it will end, it cannot end Otherwise than with our victory, but not over Ukraine again over the globalist West and not even over the West anymore, look after Trump. We find ourselves in such a situation that the collective West split into two cores into two independent poles of ideological poles and Although now the liberal and globalist European elites are frantically trying to establish some kind of relationship with Trump, Macron is riding Starmer there everyone else, in fact, these are two Wests already quite antagonistic and in ideological orientations in many directions now now the Trumpists are the West Let yourself fight, you can profitably, anyway the world is different, that is, now there was one collective West which was liberal the NATO globalist Skeem Atlantic set himself the task of inflicting a strategic defeat on us when he could not inflict defeat on us when we survived economically militarily politically socially psychologically we were talking about the use of nuclear weapons and we have already come to the point that if, for example, Kamala Haris won in these elections I think that we would probably discuss with you not what we are talking about, but we would simply talk about whether it is possible to squeeze out after a nuclear strike there like this Like what plants are on our planet there after the nuclear Apocalypse to grow or how much can still be squeezed out of this and whether our Earth will go off its axis after using strategic nuclear fishing This would be a more pressing topic, but Trump certainly dropped this rate of escalation at least to neutral does not mean that he went straight in the opposite direction But this is a different world, after Trump We live in a different world where the likelihood of a nuclear war The risks of a direct invasion by troops or German or French have not been completely eliminated Ukraine I believe that these risks remain. They have decreased, but they exist. Therefore, everything is open, but nevertheless, if we compare a month ago what was and what is now, all these risks have been significantly reduced and this, of course, gives the only chance that Trump will not win this war for us. He can’t try to stop us from winning. But since never In my opinion, in these conditions today, we are not satisfied with the conditions that Trump kindly offers us, then we cannot see such a prospect that this war will end quickly and with some kind of compromise about it our president and minister have said many times that there will be no victories, nothing will be the subject of a deal, your latest quote, and at the same time, Russian President Vladimir Putin constantly emphasizes that he is ready for peace negotiations, you do not consider the Russian president to be too soft No no, I think that he is an excellent politician, he is pursuing a completely fair line with Trump, now we need to interact These are completely new people and in many respects their views resemble ours, including geopolitical ones, not only in prices those values I think Putin is simply pursuing this line quite rightly now putting forward our real goals prematurely Trump just recently came to power Ukraine doesn’t interest him This is not his war, this is the war that his enemies started, he understands this perfectly And that’s why he only wants to finish it, but what to finish the nature of this war Trump clearly hasn’t had time to figure this out, doesn’t have the time to want I think to figure it out, that’s why he’s inclined to such very simple simplified models Let’s take all the mineral resources there, for example, Ukrainian ones And what in return And in return Nothing, we have already paid you everything, he really sees it as some kind of business project, he wants to definitely end the war, but recently he said that if we don’t finish it quickly, we will never finish it. I think that never sooner than quickly, that is, so to agree to our conditions, Trump today is definitely not ready, even I don’t think he really heard a rapprochement on a number of positions between Russia and the USA. I think there will be, and on the whole spectrum, we have not only Ukraine between us, there is a whole range There will definitely be a rapprochement between Putin and Trump on very important issues. But the Ukrainian topic, no one agrees with me, it will gradually shift in relations between Russia and the United States from the background to the third plan, that is, we will continue to find out who is right, what Alexander is talking about Ukraine, today many Ukrainians hate Russia and are terribly disappointed in the West, terribly disappointed in the West Zelensky has launched a campaign to discredit Trump, this is a purposeful big huge campaign a people's deputy from the Zelensky Party sends trump to three letters his personal technologist calls Trump a donkey in fact There are much harsher formulations here I just don’t want to quote it now And now one Ukrainian politician wrote after 3 years of war he writes he has the feeling that the war began by collusion of the USA and Russia in Ukraine now a very popular joke Land of Russia US resources debts to Europe Ukraine Glory to what should a simple Ukrainian who has been betrayed by everyone do? Well, you know, I already said that I have an inner Ukrainian and I can’t envy him in such a situation, it’s just Well, this is chess, that is, everything is the other way around, that is, you were bought for something and this is what you now get as a result of the fact that you trusted someone who in no case should have been trusted, did not believe the one in whom he wished goodness and goodness for you, and as a result you are faced with something like in Pushkin’s fairy tales, which is also prohibited in Ukraine, like the Tale of the Goldfish when the old woman demands for herself more more more and doesn’t know how to stop in time and everything is taken away from her, that is, when the Ukrainian got his Unexpectedly, it’s not disgusting independence in the first year, I should have stopped here and skipped everything, I’m holding on to it But like in this fairy tale there, let’s go back to Europe still without This is left and now this is a rule or something Is it natural that you have to stop in a certain place this is a rule it was completely discarded by the Ukrainians, that is, they made more than one wrong choice I’m fine with this This is very in Ukrainian, who made one wrong choice, then a second, then you sell your subsoil, then you lose territorial integrity, then you kill all your loved ones, you say that these are bad Russians, then it turns out that they are not American Russians, but you won’t return the dead, the lands are sold, the country does not exist, the ruler turned out to be a scumbag who, just for the sake of his Glory, is a deeply sick person And you chose him and supported him for him, you are about to be grabbed by the Central Committee, and pushed away by the Central Committee. to the Ukrainian I don’t know, this is a really sore point If I understand If I were If I had a look ses I’ll answer if I didn’t have another main dominant Great Russian part I would just cruelly mock him now for such an internal Ukrainian, but I can’t do this because it hurts me, it hurts myself That is, when I see that a person has got into trouble You know, even the first time for me it was despite the fact that I said that I have reason to hate Ukrainians, but when the Poles began not to let Ukrainians on their border there was a period when Look from here, it’s just that everyone felt so sorry for them, it’s true that they are enemies. I don’t even know how, maybe even now I just feel sorry for the Ukrainians. But is it possible to assume theoretically that it means the Russians and Ukrainians will go to beat the Poles together, so the Poles then Well we have already historically beaten them with the Poles Well, okay, just the direction of the West of the other West theoretically You can imagine it But it’s not Polyakov, but Polyakov is not Romanian Well, Polyakov They haven’t intervened yet, I just think that the Poles have a reason to hate us, but there is no way to prove it to us and we need to respect that too, you understand Well, how would we dismember them? They are so proud and the gentry are generally there [ __ ] for them and when they are in lived in our empire I think we still have enough of this heavy feeling of how they were treated, no need for the Poles, it’s just better to catch the globalists, look, we are not fighting with peoples, neither the Germans nor the French nor the English nor the Italians nor the Spaniards, we need to build an Empire together for these poor Ukrainians who have really been deceived by everyone and more than once and continue to be deceived, and the worst thing is that knowing about this is the Ukrainian psychology I understand that tomorrow they they will definitely deceive you understand Well, it can’t be so, you’ve been deceived once twice, deceived three times and you will definitely be deceived again tomorrow and something else terrible will happen to you, that it’s the Muscovy or someone else there or some Poles who are to blame who simply have nothing to do with it either, that is, the Ukrainian is the one who is incredulous and extremely distrustful, so everyone is deceiving him, that is, it’s much easier to trust what person he says, well, how to say once you believed the deception there and checked it out Then you no longer believe this person And if you don’t trust anyone at all, then you are on guard all the time and all the time You find yourself a victim of some new, new, more sophisticated fraud, that’s why the poor Ukrainians are not trusting, that’s why they deceive everyone and they will only believe the deception, so I SJ VS that I will say good things for the Ukrainians, they Scat [ __ ] specially invented this to make it even worse for me Much worse, dear Ukrainian brothers sisters It’s much worse that you don’t understand that you yourself dug a hole for yourself, then you climbed in, everyone rushed into who you are, what you’ve turned yourself into. In short, here it seems to me that this is the reflection that maybe a Ukrainian will someday dawn on this is what we have done, this is what we have done Who is this man who was grimacing, jumping, twisting like ugly artificial natural body parts, we brought him to first place, he failed the country for us, didn’t win anything, he sold , sells our subsoil and continues to say that he is legitimate and we have forbidden ourselves to negotiate win can’t lose doesn’t want this is what’s happening here Ask and who is to blame for this You will definitely say it’s not this one, not this one, but the fault is this little poor Ukrainian who has to use his head to think with his head if he has one, he somehow prefers he doesn’t trust himself or something he doesn’t trust this little Ukrainian is somehow very Not so evil He’s poor, it seems to me that there is something really very sad Here's how you can attach it, you can eat the call sign Volga, we'll give up together, well, they won't believe me, you know, Well, it would be better to give up and build a great state together But I've been saying this for decades to Ukrainian patriots Let's create our own Great Empire together, then whoever attacks this Empire will fight, but not with each other, on the contrary, they listened to everyone except what the voice told them Well, here's the truth about this, by the way, I remembered that Huntington called Ukraine torn apart he called the country and Russia a torn country, citing for example Peter as an example, who Yes, he actually changed the cultural code and tried to change it, so you mentioned this today Alek Gelevich that And how could Ukraine want with Russia if Russia itself was moving to the West Why did Ukraine need a seemingly secondary West if it was possible to talk with the West itself What do you think, you also mentioned Dostoevsky today Yes, this is the inclination of this relay and Russia has definitely decided and you are sure of this You know firstly, I want to say my culpa that it is our fault that we strived to the west and created a completely false idea of what we ourselves are for the Ukrainians, so we do not absolve ourselves of responsibility Nostra culpa This is the first Second here too The paradox is this dead end This is a delusion This is a Trap this is the pit where the Ukrainian people collapsed became a trigger for us to realize that we ourselves are making this terrible mistake, but it’s cruel, in fact, we shouldn’t have brought it to this point, we should have, as strictly speaking inscribed in our history, build our own civilized state, don’t trust the West, rely on our own strengths to build justice, which is in no hurry, deals with its own traditional values, doesn’t attack anyone , and of course Ukraine should be part of this East Slavic Eurasian Paradise, which we must build together carefully, friendly and peacefully, and not strive for to break through to the West at any cost And thereby provoked the Ukrainians to imitate this false path. But of course, further catastrophic events began. I agree, we but now we have no other choice but to establish a truly sovereign state of the Eurasian East Slavic civilization, relying on non-traditional values on our spiritual Orthodox culture, to perform the function of a restraining catech in the world, that is, we are now, willy-nilly, put in such a situation that we have no other way out except for becoming ourselves, because we talked a lot today about the Ukrainians, but no less long and no less. In general, it is paradoxical and tragic and quite sad to talk about our mistakes, after all, it is us. Well, by and large, it’s the same thing when I say that this is like a part of our body. I don’t want to say that we are great and the Ukrainians are not, but we are all together, our people, one Russian world, found ourselves in such historically difficult conditions that we are in great pain, that we are in a vice. We found ourselves under the influence of colossal heavy forces and cultural and ideological geopolitical economically its own Elite is simply no good, not ours, yours there doesn’t tell me there’s only one Elite in essence It’s all rubbish in fact and that’s it, we fell into a historical trap and we got out, the paradox is that you got worse, this is bad seeing seeing What happened to you That’s where you collapsed, we just saw that there’s an abyss here, we urgently need to go in a different direction Well, at what cost I would extend my hand to the Ukrainians who fell into this abyss and said Listen, you opened our eyes to what is happening in the world How monstrous this liberal and global West is, where were we, what was there, we didn’t not move, so let us hold this hand, those Ukrainians who realized that they were betrayed to the West Well, thank God, just thank God that the West acted on them, that it simply destroyed them, it used them Ust Of course, they now want to blame the Armed Forces there and they still hate us now, it’s their fault, you turned out to be a victim Eh, historical circumstances, here is your hand, grab it together, we will build a great state, we are ready to extend our hand. What do you think, can everything end without forgiveness and what is needed for us to forgive each other? We need to return to the single spiritual space of the glorious church. We must allow other religions that exist in our countries to also contribute to the creation of this big Great world, that is, We do not need a Truce, but a Russian world, and in this Russian world, Each of us will find our worthy place and I think that we will definitely come to a point when And our war today will end with fraternal forgiveness and the spiritual resurrection of our united people when o Really it’s like the Return of the Prodigal Son because remember how in the Gospel the eldest son was indignant that the Lord accepts the one who was a scoundrel who squandered all the wealth who behaved outrageously not unethically not immorally vile and when he found himself in such a situation he returned and what the Lord said to him says you were with me and this my youngest son died and you returned I think that the Return of such a Prodigal Son is a Gospel parable, in no case should you treat it arrogantly, indeed the Lord knows his own and Repentance and a Return to their cradle to their Russian core of the Ukrainian people can become This is exactly what, by and large, after going through all these tests, God willing, I really hope so that after going through all these tests, the Ukrainian people will return to themselves and then our Great Power of Kiev Moscow St. Petersburg Soviet monarchical with many cores from its own cultures and identities, it will really be reborn and the West then, which wanted to destroy us now, just destroy us, tempt us to deceive he will simply be forced to admit it, we will not take revenge on him. I think the Russians will not be vindictive people. Well, the Ukrainians themselves will be here. I think they will deal with those who put them in this situation gradually gradually. Everything will become clearer, after all, I think that we have no other way, we can’t, as it were, just look. And what is the alternative to exterminate the Russians ? It’s impossible to exterminate the Ukrainians; it’s impossible to defeat Russia; it’s impossible to destroy the Ukrainians under the screen before nowhere; it’s also impossible; we’re all we are equally doomed geography history fate language culture religion not just neighbors they made us one and now the unity of fate is saving I understand perfectly well that this is probably not a consolation Not an argument or a plan I’m not right it’s just the truth taking into account your personal mountains Alexander Gelevich You are ready to forgive well, it’s difficult for me you understand I can’t say for sure you know I don’t want to dissemble this and it seems that I am not at all inspired by revenge not inspired by Revenge I think that in general it was some kind of thing for my daughter There is a sacrament before my eyes about a Russian girl becoming a saint, a saint, this Sacrament is more than an insult than pain than grief and how to take revenge for this, that is, of course I understand perfectly well that he was killed by the devil And the Ukrainians were his instruments, but the decisions were made by some deeper terrible authorities than the Ukrainians, it is clear that Ermak for sure and Budanov Malyuk Zelensky they had a hand in this they are guilty there as in other terrorist attacks and in the war and in the blood in my personal my personal grief, they personally took part and I don’t know about individuals, but I can’t lay this blame on the people. This is not on the people. There are no individual people, the most important thing is on those who conceived it, because look, they hit the most subtle in spirit in terms of ideas, and even the Duma, the Ukrainians themselves are so attentive to the idea, there are those forces that rule Ukraine from the outside and for whom ideas are of great importance and for them, of course, to suppress the idea, to prohibit it from being disrupted and destroyed. This is really important for them but so why not Sorry, on the contrary, you know how many people that’s how many I met Well, probably people went to the front after Dasha, it’s just an incredible number of how many people write to me, the opposite effect actually became our symbol, and the fact that she was innocent, that she didn’t take part in any hostilities, just and she loved very much By the way, we talked a lot about our Ukrainian ancestors, she loved the Ukrainians very much, even when the wives of Azov from the Azov battalion Came to Europe She says I’m trying to understand how they behaved now they feel because they believe in traditional values they believe in the people, maybe they are mistaken, but I want to understand these women I want to understand their grief, can you imagine and it was of course so unfair that, well, there are people who took part in the fighting there We are also sad about each of ours, we worry and honor the memory of each of our Fallen, but in relation to Dasha, it’s just that this sacrifice is not justified, it’s not hers, it’s simply unthinkable, her cruelty awakened a lot of people, some people at a fairly high level of ska What changed, including many projects, many plans and influenced the people who make the most important decision and not only in our country, so I know there’s probably some kind of terrible fear in this. I think Dasha, this is just in itself. It’s somehow completely unthinkable. And there are those people who are still happy about it. Imagine, well, as if we found ourselves in such a situation, maybe Let’s say something similar happened on our side in relation to the hurricane. I think we tried to forget and how to break it, this is what I think there is something inhuman in this Well, this is a complex question too. The mystery of the human soul, you understand, this is not not journalism, not propaganda, this is a moral movement that is simply difficult to talk about. Maybe it’s also about NM and it’s not worth talking about. Alain, in conclusion, if maybe just a few words, you now had the opportunity to say more precisely, it is now just there. To the Ukrainian soldier, Iteri lost her son in Ukraine, what would you tell them? Well, I can say that absolutely this is our grief, this is our grief, your grief is our grief, you you’re killing us, we’re killing you, and we’ll probably do that, but it can’t end in anything good, it can’t end in anything good Therefore, we [music] need to find some other way out of this, we have a real enemy and he is common to you and to us. How much time, how many more losses do we have to endure until we fully realize this? And alas, this concerns you to a greater extent, I know for sure that this interview will be watched by a lot of people in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, everything I do, I do so that people in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, as soon as possible, begin to live in peace, this is how it once was. So, this is how it will be someday, I think that this conversation is one step towards this Thank you very much thank you