very very strange something very very real that is happening on the planet David pitus of course is the researcher author and investigator he started all this with his book Missing 411 which dealt with people disappearing in our public park systems they merely vanished David welcome I'm glad you're still here thanks George it's great to be here what was it about this subject that got you first involved in investigating it years ago uh I was doing some peripheral research in a national park noticed a couple of Park Rangers following me around which isn't that unusual and went back to my uh location off the park site and these guys showed up independently and they said they knew of me and they had been looking into missing people at the various parks that they had worked at okay and they realized that on the front end when somebody goes missing there's a lot of activity there's a lot of investigation and then after about seven or eight days everything St s and when they tried to find out what happened to the victim and get more information they were stymied and they said something didn't feel right yeah and then subsequent to The Disappearance the follow-up investigation by Special Agents of the Park Service really never happened weird very strange and they said you know somebody ought to be looking into this because the people were disappearing in areas that they didn't think that would fit that normal mode meaning that you and I say take our kids to the park and a child disappears in a Valley area where there's a lot of activity and we're not talking far back into the back country a lot of these occur right in a populated area of the national park in front of other people apparently and geez as as we can logically assume when people go into the back country things happen and those disappearances occur as well but it's those Valley disappearances that got my interest right away and of course your mind may go immediately to well it's some kind of personto person involvement sio out there or something right but when you when you get into the numbers and you start to vet the cases you realize that something more is going on than what's readily apparent David of the missing people we'll get into a lot of cases tonight how many never show up where where if they don't for example find the bodies they're just gone what what's that percent it's probably close to 50 maybe 60% just never show up massive searches hundreds of people air ground dogs and they can't find the people when I first started this I filed a series of Freedom of Information Act requests against the National Park Service asking them for their lists of missing people and George if you and I walked into any medium-sized Police Department in the United States and asked the chief for a list of missing people in his jurisdiction or her jurisdiction we get it we get it within an hour yeah he'd have it or she'd have it on her desk National Park Park Ser says they don't keep track of that information they don't keep track of people disappearing in their Parks what they that's bizarre I would agree I would think that there's some clandestine operation tracking all this right now and they're perplexed well I I've talked to some of the best investigative journalists in the United States and they said they're outright lying to you yes they have a list of missing people they've got to in your opinion David how many people are missing just from the park systems Salone well that's that's tough because they won't tell us and don't know how far back to go right we 1700s 1800s well just in our research I have cases going back um there's nine countries that we've documented these incidents in that fit this profile same profile and uh in those nine countries we have one case that goes all the way back to 1768 in France huh if you had to guess though speculate on how many total people we're talking about disappearing so we've documented right now in our books about 1100 1,00 people right since this first episode to where we are today and they continue this bizarre case now this guy was found but the Toronto Firefighter who went skiing in New York disappeared for God knows how long and ended up in California 2500 miles away still in his ski outfit and has no idea how he got there something happened to this guy so he's he's out skiing in the area Lake Placid with his friends from Toronto he's a captain in the Toronto fire department he's not fooling around here well and I I don't think people understand that when you become a policeman or a fireman you go through psychological testing absolutely so the person especially being a captain the thought of him being mentally unstable uhuh I don't think so no and or playing a game on his family no I don't think so so the the real interesting part of that story is is that I've written about people who were skiing who disappeared on the slopes some were never found some were found later months and months later under really unusual conditions so I think there's a lot of questions I know he was he was interviewed by the New York State Police they haven't released anything really about that interview and I know he's back in Canada now I would love to talk to him and I'd love to regress his hypnosis oh my God I mean did he get picked up by a trucker who was kind enough to take him somewhere but I mean what do you tell the trucker hi uh I'm in my ski outfit I need to go to California and does he have money on him does he eat it's weird well one of the interesting parts of these 1100 cases many of them where the victim is found they have head injuries head injuries that have caused death right um and and in his incident he told the press that he thought he had some type of head injury yes so like you said they they find him with his ski helmet and same clothing and then the real odd thing to me was is he said somewhere along the line he had a haircut yeah yeah where'd that come from yeah exactly strange I remember you told me once on Coast to Coast the radio show that in some cases when these people are disappeared it could be weeks could be months and that in some cases they're found and their clothes the clothes are clean no mud no nothing if you're in the wilderness for a couple weeks a couple months you're going to be dirty and you're going to have dirt everywhere how could it be so pristine it's like somebody washed their clothes so I'm betting that there's even more to this um it's evident when a Searcher finds you if your clothes are really clean but they never mention the body itself uh one of the things I write about in the books is a lot of times if the person's found alive and they're they get to a hospital the notes in the hospital is that there's a small fever associated with that person fever something bruises no very rare bruises but a small fever is evident they never say and many times you don't get to see the medical report I would i' like to know if the body was clean as well like the clothes like the clothes so if the clothes are clean and the body's clean you really have something odd going on right and well it's still odd if the clothes is clean and the body isn't clean I mean because agree I mean the clothes has got to get dirty before the body I would think you would think so uh this case is in my latest book because it is extremely different than a standard disappearance um Carl worked right down the road from here from here at Boulder labs in Colorado wow uh he grew up in Wisconsin was a star football player super intellect athletic very and he became a physicist which is one of the key points in my books I've documented several cases of physicists who had disappeared and he was his ancestry did that German all right which is another key point of many German physicists have disappeared really and I'm not talking about you know H you know they voluntarily no they all fit this scenario we're going to talk about so dish gets hired in February he gets sent to the bird Ice Station and he brings his dog with him and he's a ionospheric physicist and he works at a lab set up from the main station about 7,000 ft away and on May 8th 1965 he's working at this station there's a blizzard going on big one and between the two locations they have a rope that's strung so as you're walking even in a blizzard you're holding on you know how to get to the other side you're not going to get lost yeah so he leaves in the morning hours and they wait and wait and wait and after an hour and a half two guys go out and they look for them can't find them so they bring they call everybody together and they get in their big winter suits and they get out their track and they snow buggies and they're looking for him yeah I'd say the guy had a heart attack he's in the snow somewhere right of course yeah and he's made this trip hundreds of times it's not like he's going to get lost right so they search for him for a week they find nothing and he had called his parents in the weeks before he said everything was great no problem he's learning a lot he's enjoying this experience so during that weak period of time they called for more distance from other people at other nearby stations they find nothing and they brought in dogs and they thought even his own dog if they brought it out would find him find him sure nothing now since the time dish disappeared there's been less and less ice at at the Ice Station in that area his body's never been found now when we did the research on this one of the unusual things in one of the articles in one of the newspapers is that people at the Ice Station had reported in the days while they were searching a humming sound and strange lights in the sky oh boy I wrote about this yeah well then the head of the bird Ice Station came out and said hey that's a lie this has never happened the people aren't telling the truth and I thought it was strange how hard they came out to deny that aspect now dish was never found none day never found none of his equipment's been found none of his boots a a very strange disappearance and how far in that region in a blizzard would somebody go not far I don't think you could go far no that's that's what's even stranger well and then in in the stories I write many times somebody disappears with their dog and sometimes the dog comes back and sometimes it doesn't in this incident weeks after dish disappeared his dog disappeared and was never found I think that's odd I'm not sure I would want to take my family through a national park after talking to you and reading Missing 411 you know George one of the things I I do when I talk to groups is I tell them I'm a big advocate of the national park system I I go all the time but there's a couple things I won't do I won't go alone I always carry a personal transponder and if you're taking kids keep your kids in front of you and always keep them in sight Eloise Lindsay page that is a one of the more unusual stories along the Appalachian Trail in South Carolina she was in Table Rock State Park and uh I've written a lot about the Appalachian Trail there's a lot of really unusual things that have happened there and a lot of strange disappearances all along there she was an older lady uh I think she was in her early 20s going to do a hike of 43 miles and she was well prepared lots of experience she was going to get picked up by I think s to eight days after her drop off point well she wasn't there for the pickup Point her story is is that about 3 days into it there were a series of men that were following her and harassing her on the trail H now when you just take it at that point hey maybe it's happened maybe this went on for days and uh eventually 14 18 days a hunter finds her cowering in the woods cowering she's alive alive they bring her out and she tells this story that these Men followed her harassed her she dumped her backpack she got rid of everything um and then she was eventually went to the hospital the interesting part of the story to me is isn't what she said because she never explained exactly what she saw but when her mom was interviewed her mom said I'm not sure what really happened to my daughter in the woods and I don't really know for sure what my daughter saw in the woods huh like she was not accepting the story of the men or her her daughter obviously wasn't comfortable in telling the whole story but that scenario of the men along the Appalachian Trail there's been many disappearances there over the years where people are just never found uh there's a woman named Geraldine Laray that was in Maine that was walking the entire uh Appalachian Trail and every day or every two days her husband would resupply her she was 66 years old I think maybe maybe a little older phenomenal shape call her husband all the time one day didn't call massive search main Warden Service threw everything at that search and even the wardens said they couldn't believe they didn't find anything of her still never been found that that that was a real troubling one every once in a while something very very bizarre and strange happens and these people disappear and art found and I'm not talking just on very rural Trails I'm talking about on some of the main Trails inside the park a man named George pinka disappeared on one of the biggest trails in yose two years ago and I know some of the people that were involved with that and they said there's no way that guy could have disappeared he was a robust man not in terrific shape he wasn't going to go anywhere off the trail he vanished and this day they' never found him but you would think that you would hear screams yells help me none of that no uh every once in a while there'll be a small shriek but again A lot of times it can't be attributed directly to the victim it's just something that happens in conjunction with The Disappearance and sometimes it's not even in that exact area that they believed that their son or daughter was in so I'm not even sure if it's related but they they report it sometimes does this story scare you I mean you've been you've been uncovering it for a number of years now so I can say that my own behavior has changed just a little like I will not go in the woods alone because of this story that you've been uncovering correct okay um I always I I will always carry a personal transponder and I tell people I don't care who you are are and I know I know L stoud Survivor man personally and I don't think he would go into the woods without a personal transponder so I can I can say that it it's a foolish thing not to do that if you can't afford one almost every Sporting Goods Outdoor Store will rent one to you for $5 to $10 a day that's smart so carry that and always tell a close friend where you're going to go in when you're going to come out and if you're not out by a certain day you tell them and a lot of the times the hunters that disappeared they're always alone but more Hunters on bow hunting side of the fence than the firearm side of the fence disappear meaning for some reason bow hunting seems to be a more dangerous thing to do now these aren't Predator attacks meaning Bear Mountain Lion Etc right and at the Times where their clothing is found there's no evidence of that you know there would be EV there would be a bear doesn't conveniently unbutton you no or or roll up your belt buckle or fold your pants put your shoes by your pants yeah exactly that doesn't happen in Colorado Northern Colorado a boy named Jared adido disappeared uh his dad told a group of singles people that they were uh they could take his son to the Fish Hatchery a mile away and unbeknownst to the dad Allan this F this group of young adults decided that they were going to go walk a trail and never told the dad and took Joselyn and uh Jared on this walk up this Trail they they were single people they didn't know that you're supposed to watch kids real close Jared ran ahead of the group walked up and saw a couple fishermen and Jared asked the fishermen are there any bear around here and the fisherman got upset and no no bear around here and he was hitting the water with a stick and he they told him hey don't do that CH the fish away right they let this kid go Jared walked on was never seen alive again smart now four years later and 600 feet up the trail I've been on this Trail 20 times and George I can tell you I've never made a tougher climb in my life it was probably 70° almost straight up for 600t exhausting and at the top uh and in this Boulder ridden area they found his skull cap and they found one tooth sitting on top of a log one tooth and then they found his shoes swe shirt and his pants now imagine the scenario the all four years later four years later four winners in Colorado they turn all the evidence over to Colorado Bureau of Investigation and I have held the shoes George they look brand new like they were never sitting outside never weathered and then the pants were turned inside out and the sweatshirt he was wearing still had vibrant colors now I've interviewed Allan his dad and they didn't look like they were out the weather for four years no not not in the least it's as if something brought it back maybe within days that's to me what it looks like but to you can't keep clothes out there in Colorado for four years without it looking like somebody was in a mud wrestling contest well then you think about the wind and the rain and the snow you think it would have blow up right so and and speaking to Allan interviewing him he said one thing my son never did is he never tied his shoes yeah and I've talked to a lot of people and I don't understand if a mountain lion had grabbed him or a bear had grabbed him and Drug him up that hill there's no way those shoes would have stayed on his feet the clothing was presented to four different mountain lion experts and each of them said there's no way a mountain lion killed that boy there would have been blood all over the clothing his garments would have been torn to shreds that wasn't the scenario no clothing no closure no help yeah no assistance no explanation and people would just want to wash their hands of it and walk away and that is a recurring scenario I don't care what country you're in that is what's happening do these parents speculate on what they think might have happened so in the case of of jured adad Allan his dad is a uh is a teacher in Colorado and I've interviewed many times and he has a very open mind he has a difficult time believing that those that clothing was out there for four years he got a phone call um right in the middle of this big search effort maybe two weeks into it by somebody saying that they were from the sheriff's office and they were withholding information from you and he said I hope you find the truth someday and they hung up huh that's weird very weird and Allan's told me before it's bothered him is ever you know 16 17 years later and he he and I have some really good discussions he read my book he contacted me and he said Dave you're one of the few guys that was willing to tell the truth and tell the whole story and he said you know a lot of people just want to think it's something natural the local press will just say oh it's it's a mountain lion attack Mountain Li the elements got him exactly and he said few want to get in and know the facts and and hear from experts now in our our documentary we're going to present those experts and let the facts be known let people decide on their own what's going on geez let's talk about some of the cases of these disappearing people David uh how about Larry D Wayne Krebs he was at lake lake teoma in southern Oklahoma and uh they were out middle of the afternoon one day collecting firewood his dad said eight pieces behind him he could hear him eight and uh his desk is 4T long so you just double it that's nothing not far and you wouldn't call that negligent either I mean we've all done that of course and and you turn around you turn around yeah yeah well uh his dad said he turned around at one point and his son wasn't there gone and uh search and rescue came in and they searched and they said that they followed a series of prints behind his dads that walked into a puddle of water and that was it and the puddle of water was a couple inches deep it wasn't big it wasn't like a hole no and uh massive search found nothing and to this day Larry's never been found so imagine law enforcement you explain this imagine law enforcement under search and rescue never worked a case like that before sees that obviously at the at the beginning your focus is going to be on the dad and after you you exclude him you realize the dad's in tremendous mourning he's in shock oh yeah and then imagine you're the dad and law enforc is looking at you but you got to understand that hopefully you do you know I would I mean I would as as upset as I would be for them even to question it you have to understand that you're the first sus suspect you're the last one to see the kid right it's a hard line for law enforcement to walk and it's even a harder line for the parents but having that belief system what you just explained would be perfect for getting law enforcement past that point yeah but yeah L's never been found logic tells you that the kid was picked up picked up and again if you would have found tracks on the ground there would have been a scent Trail and even under that scenario he couldn't have gone in the ground because the water was still there when you got into this there must have been one or two case studies that first cropped up that got you to say hey there's something weird here I'm going to study this how'd that happen for you well originally we got a I got a notification from a national park ranger that uh he had worked at a series of national parks and they had an unusual amount of disappearances and the people had disappeared in unusual places that really didn't make a lot of sense to this person and over the years they tried to do a little research and figure out what happened and they got styed and the more they looked into it and into their internal system he got concerned that there wasn't enough being done and eventually ended up contacting me when I was at a park doing some peripheral research and we started to look into disappearances in the US National Park system probably the first case that brought my interest was a case of Stacy Aeros that disappeared in yosee yeah uh a 14-year-old girl that was on a pack train ride into Sunrise Lakes into the Sierra area of Yus her and her dad stopped at a series of cabins uh she got off her horse freshened up and her and a 70-year-old man named Stuart went and took a short walk off to this Bluff and she brought her camera and they were going to just take pictures the trail hand saw them walk over there and she walked away from Stuart and told Stuart she was going to walk down to a lake to take some pictures and the trail hand and Stuart saw her walk down there and that was the last time she was ever seen jesz subsequent search found the lens cap to her camera right inside the tree line of that area but the reality is is they never found a trace of her after that I filed a series of Freedom of Information Act requests against the park service to get documents and I have received documents before from the park service on other missing person's cases I got a call from their attorney asking me why I wanted the case and then they asked me what I was going to do with it and finally a special agent from the park service a guy named y told me I would never get that case he didn't explain why but he said you're never going to get it why do you think it was so secretive well it doesn't make a lot of sense because the park service is a big bureaucracy and I'm sure that they have policies and procedures and depending on which Park you call on or you make the request through you'll get reports on missing people and a missing person's case isn't a criminal case it's a missing person it's a missing person and most agencies want publicity about missing people that's right it appears that the Park Service doesn't want publicity about their missing people scare of people from going to the parks right I I think it might and uh in this one instance the park failed to comply and said that I would never get that case and to this date I don't have that case that's bizarre strictly bizarre and there's no way you can squeeze it out of somebody you know I've talked to family members of Stacy's her mom and her dad have died um they are equally concerned they've read my books they've read the stories and they they said that their dad had compiled a massive amount of documents and he was concerned and and an uncle of theirs called me and said the same thing and said it just didn't make sense there were a lot of rumors that a may have walked out of the park all this was not true she completely disappeared was the 70 old the old guy was he a suspect for a while no because the trail hand had just happened to see her walk away from him at the time from this rock outcropping they were sitting on so I think he was cleared from the beginning and they had found her tracks going into this Lake Area inside this tree area where they found the lens cap so I I think he was absolved and when I talked to agent U on the phone I asked him were there any suspects is this continuing to be investigated he told me that no one's touched the case for years there are no suspects and there's no way that it's going to get turned into a criminal case as far as he knew are these cases David all around the country or primarily in North America originally we focused on just the United States and slowly as the word got out what we were doing we started to get contacted from people from around the world and initially it came out of Canada that there were these additional cases and then the Canadian national park system seems to fall into the same Cate gory as a US National Park system as far as the number of disappearances to date in North America we've established 52 clusters of missing people in national parks and National Forest throughout North America wow the biggest cluster in the world of missing people youed National Park are these disappearances also happening in cities where you don't have Parks so to to this point we established a profile that that is based upon hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of disappearances and thousands of reports that we've read about missing people so this profiling it's a specific point we're looking for namely canines that are brought in can't find a scent uh they disappear and there's nothing heard there's there's nothing seen there's no abduction scenario Footprints nothing nothing uh the people a lot of times are walking with friends or parents and they're either first in line or they're last in line when they disappear and those people don't hear or see anything either you turn around and they're gone exactly what what percent David would you would you think could be just a natural cause somebody wandered off got lost fell hit their head something like that small percent honestly I think we vetted that completely yeah I I there is no need for me to to put fluff in the books because there's just too many stories out there I mean before we did this interview I was talking to you about a series of stories that have happened just in the last six months yeah and in my books I've written in the last two years that there seems to be some type of acceleration in the type of these cases that match the profile we established this is scary stuff as you were doing your research did anything shock you one of the things in the last two years that we found that that to me is very shocking is the number of high intellectual types that have disappeared in in just the last two years unexplained never found um one off the top of my head alof crossed KR he disappeared in uh the mountains above Los Angeles he was at Lake Arrowhead attending a conference a physicist all right and uh they had an outing one afternoon where they went to take a hike and during that hike alof didn't feel real good and he and another of the escorts both didn't feel good so they sat down and the rest of the group took off and again it's that last in line first in line scenario so the group leaves and if anyone's ever been to Lake Arrowhead this isn't extremely rur there's there's a lot out there but there's a trail a lot of Boulders the group eventually made it back to the conference center he never made it back and there was a huge search never been found and there's been a series of physicists around North America and the world that have disappeared in rural areas under very very unusual circumstances also phys uh Physicians are another one that have either disappeared and have been later found under highly unusual circumstances is dead or they were never found of those who are not found is it possible that they're being used for their expertise somewhere I mean if you're going to grab a bunch of physicists to me logic would tell you you this group whoever is taking them needs a physicist so I've had again hundreds of emails about this and there's a lot of theories that have been thrown at me and one of them is uh something some ones trying to eliminate the intellect of the world how would they know there's the million dollar question now cross was not just a physicist he taught at one of the top universities in Germany so he he was a real intellect and there's been there been several of those kind there was a a guy that was a physicist for uh Canadian research firm way up in the middle of nowhere he disappeared in the middle of the night and uh there are these stories that seem to all center around in which are discomforting how far back were you able to trace the disappearances to what time period 1752 wow so it goes back that far at least at least Native American Legend there's uh well so originally we started in the United States went to Canada yeah and again the more notoriety your show is given these stories and other media Outlets people from the around the around the world have said hey we we heard that profile and we want to send you the story and so now we have eight countries involved and I'm I'm guessing George there's many more but uh yeah eight countries uh 1,600 people and I always talk to Native Americans I'm one of these people I spent 50% of my life a few years ago on the Hoopa reservation in Northern California yeah and uh I always listen to him I I learned to pay attention to what they say this is David and I've got to tell you in my career as a broadcaster the most riveting scary story I have ever heard scary because we can't control it riveting because we don't know what it is I've heard that many times but I I appreciate hearing it from you and the uh almost those exact words were told to me by someone and said this is why the government's doing everything they can to block your from getting the information what does David pus do next in this area I think one of the things is I have to keep an open mind and the people I work with have to keep that open mind and you brought up the point about well how do we know it's not happening in urban areas and we're looking at that really hard right now and I think it's a good point because I I think if we restrict ourselves to that rural environment that we may be missing a big piece of the puzzle absolutely because if you find out it's being it's happening in the in urban areas too then there are other scenarios involved exactly you can rule out animals I would think in a lot of these cases you find strange cases where the closeth it it's just light up but it's not attacked it's not ripped it's not torn it's almost as if somebody would take it off lie it down and they're still gone right it's just not the clothes it's it's also shoes uh I've probably i' I've several cases where Searchers found the people's clothes neatly folded one time they were neatly folded in the middle of a river now one of the constants is is that many of these people are found either in next to or joining a Dry Creek bed boulderfield Lake Reservoir one of the uh specific scenarios that we get asked is that well maybe it's an animal attack so in the search and rescue reports they bring in trackers they bring professional people in in each one of those cases it's completely absolved that there isn't an animal attack is seen there's going to be noise you're going to hear you know animals don't attack and they're not quiet no sir this has never been seen not in the cases that will work it's true people are attacked by animals I I don't doubt that and I know for a fact that that's true in these cas say we won't work a case where there's an anoral attack I know chatting with you on our radio show Coast to Coast AM David that you don't like to speculate on a specific reason or cause but we're going to throw out some possibilities and let our viewers of course make up their own minds about something like this but let me ask you would you consider these disappearances to be natural or highly unusual sounds like I'm trying to trap you here I'll do one better extremely unusual extremely unusual they don't fit the normal disappearance scenario when you talk to in 2012 I made a presentation in in front of the National Association of search and rescue professionals and nobody left the room for the entire time I talked they they were stunned at some of the things I I get emails when you're on coast to coast and I have had thousands of guests when you're on the program my emails start going up up up and then afterward the next day it's clogged with people petrified confused desperate for more information it's one of the the strangest stories I've ever heard Dave well and and I think when you when you get into the minutia of the data it gets even stranger uh because the same scenario of missing person a missing person plays out over and over and over again right now of the of the people that are found alive the small number are they in shock do they talk about you know I wandered away and I got lost what do they say so part of that profiling is understanding the personality of the person or the background of the person who disappeared and many many times the people that disappear have some type of disability whether it's autism dementia uh inability to speak an astronomical percentage yes very strange it is very strange and when those people are found and they are found at a higher percentage than the people that can speak those people obviously can't tell a story there have been instances where people have disappeared and they are found most recently a couple years ago a woman disappeared I believe it was in Arkansas and they she was eventually found and she said for 3 Days uh I knew that there were people behind bushes that were watching me the entire time and they didn't help me and I walked up to them sometimes and tried to talk to them but they wouldn't talk to me and she said it was she was very scared and they interviewed a doctor about it and he said no she wasn't she wasn't making this up she believes that that happened what kind of people were they it's a great question I don't know I know deep down inside you've got some speculation here is it difficult for you not to just say I think it's this you know George I I can't ex I can't describe that I'm an expert in all of these different fields that people have Commit me with and you know there's probably been eight different hypothesis and and almost thesis thesis link form that people have written to me about explaining why they believe that this thing exactly and they come up come at it with a emotion and interest and I I can't say no to any of them and if you want me to go through the list I do yeah let's let's do that you know what we're talking about here folks again missing people primarily in forests and Parks state or federal that are simply gone and your guess how many people are we talking about since this phenomenon has come under your W so we've identified fight 1,600 cases 1,600 people but you got to remember that the national parks and the US National Force service isn't helping us or assisting us because they won't tell us how so we saying, 1600 reported cases that we know of that we know of right okay let's go through the scenarios of the possibilities what could be happening from The Logical to the illogical so started at the most mundane when our government's doing tests on them okay I've heard that 50 times in the last 5 years um that scenario to me doesn't make a lot of sense because canines would be able to track that right and people would hear it somebody would see it EXA eventually yeah for sure um something I really know nothing about is uh people say that there's reptilians out there and the reptilians are in the woods taking these people and feeding off extraterrestrials yeah or ultraterrestrials and they're here living in like some people have stated that they live under ground I don't know um obviously there's the alien connection that I've heard 10,000 times do people see craft around some of these uh scen that's never been reported okay but one thing that people do say is that uh in conjunction with these disappearances immediately after or right after part of that profile is that there's bad weather associated with this meaning in many of these cases sometimes it rains inches and inches or snows feet and feet and days right after kind of wipes out the scene doesn't it it does yeah and uh so aliens alien abduction that's that's a really common one another one that I've heard a lot from Europe and Iceland is fairies fairies uh fairies and Little People uhuh and uh I've actually written about that some of my books because the folklore mythology that surrounds it talks about them abducting people yes that's right so ancient folklore yes yeah and then uh another one is that uh there's gods and the gods at times take people for their own will and part of that taking of them is that if they don't fit the eventual needs of those Gods they're replaced back on Earth and those are the ones we find deceased I've heard that probably 200 times uh the other one that you know a a lot of people may think is is true is that there's a group of serial killers out there in the woods correct to me that is the least likely of every scenario not that I'm I'm categorizing anything but the reason being is that in these searches they bring in professional trackers part of that professional tracking ability is tracking somebody through the woods and some of the people they use are Navajo trackers military trackers uh professional private trackers in conjunction with canines nothing nothing they don't find tracks leaving the scene they don't find a sense so my idea or or the idea that people promote that it's a serial killer in the woods there's a lot of a lot of things that go with that mainly if there was a serial killer in the woods then they'd have to carry that body for a mile you mentioned the alien possibilities yet minimal reports of craft being seen what if these higher intelligent beings have the capability of teleporting an individual almost with an instant from above so high up you don't see the craft you don't see the lights yet they beam in on David pitus George Nory they see them walking there in the forest and just they're up they're gone maybe and they're they're taking people of certain educational standards well George if they could do that this show would go to number one I'm telling you we'd be gone we'd be gone we'll come back from a break and you'll be gone right uh again but it's frightening if that scenario could play out that's that's very frightening because again as I've been told many times that's the scenario in many people's minds that's being worked out when they track do they get to a certain point and it just ends sometimes it ends immediately and sometimes they do get to that point and the scent just stops a lot of times some of the best K9 trackers in the world have said that they'll bring the dog to the scene and the dog will walk in a circle lay down and doesn't want a track he's scared Well the description from some of the Searchers is that they can't tell if the dog is uninterested or there is no search yeah so what about Bigfoot that's another scenario that's been brought up hundreds and hundreds of times and I would say that the issue with that one is the same with the others in that there's no tracks right and if you were going to carry somebody drag somebody I think you would hear something on the front end you would think of a something unusual what about a portal another dimension some kind of God knows what is going on in this planet this universe and that these people just accidentally walk right through it and they're gone and they can't get back well in in all of the scenarios in what's been explained to me by other experts that have been on your show to me that one if it exists would be the one that fit every scenario that we've explained in the book not that I'm saying that is it I'm just saying that the scenario the experts lay out seems to be the one that fits the most criteria as an example there was a uh there was a hunter in Colorado that contacted me a couple years ago and he was hunting for Elk at about 10 or 11,000 ft up in Northern Colorado and he said he was walking on a plane where the grass was maybe four feet high 3 or 4 feet and he heard something coming towards him and he couldn't really identify it and he kept walking he got on a trail and he kept hearing a loud hum and he started to slow down on the trail and he said in front of him it became real blurry whoa so he slowed down even more like an opening something he says it was almost like you were looking through glasses that weren't yours and it was just strange looking and he said he almost walked up to it and it looked like a plate of glass and he stuck his foot through and he part of his foot disappeared and he said I put my brought my foot back and I turned around and I ran that's the first time I've heard that yeah but I suppose what would happen to you if you had your head down you weren't paying attention I don't know that's a good point