next question okay he's he's talking about the tim
ferriss the video yeah that was the extension of your tim ferriss
yeah yeah popular one about you talking about martial arts or martial arts what
are the best martial arts right if you haven't seen them you can look it
up um so he says with respect to the above
mentioned video about your views on real martial arts i
have one quick question you said that you came to your
conclusion based on a sparring match between yourself and one of your fellow
navy seals was the match between yourself and the
traditional martial arts with 20 years experience a friendly
sparring match typical in training where he was pulling his punches and
strut in strikes or was he attacking you with full force
from my observation jiu jitsu guys collect some head shots while going in
for takedown and if a traditional karateka karate
practitioner doesn't hold back would this have some
devastating effects in the long run similar to what pro
football's players experience i would love to get your take on this
someone who has real world experience okay so
first of all i didn't come to a conclusion
based on that one event i mean that event
influenced my thoughts today but even right now i don't have a conclusion
someone could show me something today it's possible that i go wow that worked
really well i never thought of that and that's
new that now trumps everything else it could happen
not likely though uh my mind is still open but that's not likely i've seen a
lot now in that particular scenario he was usually he
wasn't using a striking art a traditional striking art he was using a
traditional grappling art actually aikido and so
he he was grappling with me he wasn't throwing punches at me
but it doesn't matter because i have sparred
and or fought with plenty of people over the years
that were absolutely trying to knock me out no doubt about it
and the fact of the matter is it doesn't work
um even where this guy above like for instance this guy in the
question he says if a traditional karate practitioner
doesn't hold back it would have the same devastating effect in the long run
similar to what pro football players experience
that statement actually defeats itself because
if you watch a football game those guys get hit in the head
100 times during a football game and how often do they get actually knocked
unconscious not very often if you multiply whatever
10 players per side that are actually banging heads times however he plays you
know you're talking about thousand well you know probably more
than a thousand head on head contacts in a football game
and there might be one knockout in a game sometimes there's
no knockouts yeah typically none no yeah okay so the fact of the matter is
hitting someone in the head is not a guaranteed knockout by any stretch of
the imagination in fact it rarely occurs it actually rarely occurs in boxing
where two guys are trained to do that so it's hard to knock somebody out and
it's the same thing in if you watch ufc especially the early
ufcs this was proven over and over again that
yeah the the grappler is going to take some hits on the way in
but they're going to get in and they're going to take the person down
and of of course do you have a puncher's chance
of course you do there's a very small chance that when you shoot in on
somebody they time a knee or they time a punch and it happens to hit you right in
the spot that knocks you out it does happen it happens in ufc
occasionally if you look at the number of takedowns
to the number of knockouts that happen while the takedown is going on it's not
a big number at all yes correct so you don't want to
rely on that as your formation of self-defense
correct at all now when things evolved eventually to where the strikers were
wrestlers too and you got guys like chuck and you got tito and you got randy
where it wasn't their striking that was
preventing the takedown it was because they were bad ass wrestlers
that's what was stopping the takedown it had nothing to do with the way they
punched yeah so you really can't count
on striking to stop a grappler that is not
a good plan right to say hey i'm going to get so good at striking that i'm
going to stop a grappler that is not a good
plan what you have to do is learn to grapple you have to learn to wrestle you
have to learn jiu jitsu and and the opposite side of that is you
can't count on grappling to take down a
striker because that person might know how to wrestle
yeah and therefore you need to know how to strike
so it goes back to what i say all the time you gotta know how to graph a gap
not a strike right yeah and if he's um he's talking
he says a traditional karate practitioner traditional so and
i'm assuming the the only understanding i have this
of traditional is he doesn't do karate and jiu-jitsu he's not a mixed martial
artist he just knows karate so from what i've lost on the ground yes
and i've taken karate before and there was no takedown defense there
was no takedowns there was no functioning in any capacity
on the ground and so yeah and how you say like okay over the
long term okay you're gonna have head trauma and lasting damage if you
take sustained yeah head trauma repetitive
competitive over the years really but we're worried about the next 42
seconds of a fight that's about to happen not the next three decades of my
life where you can see me break down because i took some head trauma
exactly right so you'd have to get let's say that for the example of this
question that your experience with this guy he
was a karate guy and he was going full speed and he
didn't knock you out we'll just assume that he didn't knock you out you
would have to go through i'm just going to restate that that is a very safe
assumption to assume that the karate guy was not
able to knock me out that i was able to come in you know
stand there good get it a good distance fake him with my hands
touch his face a couple times he throws a big punch i do a double leg takedown
he's on his back it's game over yeah and by the way go watch any youtube
video of you know jiu-jitsu versus whatever
right and it's the same outcome every single time uh
you know occasionally there'll be one with a lot of hits because it's the
it's the chance knockout or the chance of something else happen yeah
but 99 of the time yeah it's double leg take down slam on
the ground game over yeah sorry look at uh
who did randy kutcher fight that pro boxer tony
james tony oh yeah yeah yeah i mean was it was that exactly here's
a a world-class boxer professional boxer right what did randy do
got inside took him down game over oh why did he knock him out because you
can't right you can't just you can't just
knock people out yeah fully and and that's not to mention
and i mean i'm gonna mention it but that it
is not to mention that especially if you if you practice the
the more self-defense like if it's heavily
self-defense oriented jiu-jitsu one of the first things you learn is
distance management one of the first things you learn
it's like you almost can't get past that element
of it so you will take hits of course maybe you'll take it to the top of your
head shoulders or whatever but yeah
significant strikes to anything to warrant
how it's stated here in the question um long-term
term damage compared to football players you were back to your situation
you going with this guy let's say he did go full speed you would have to
do probably 10 to 15 bouts of that every single day
for a long time yeah for you to have any sustained damage and then
so maybe if this guy's taking the long-term strategic view that he's gonna
continue to spar me and hit me in the head until i'm
70 years old maybe hugolystic disease and maybe i'm saying
maybe so because if he's a traditional guy he doesn't know how to take
manage the takedown so knowing how to manage the takedown
makes your strikes more effective you don't have that your strikes are not
effective so okay you take one hit let's say let's say you take five hits
right you controlling the fight as much as jiu
jitsu does even if you're not that high level versus a guy who doesn't know
jiu-jitsu way outweighs this grossly to the point
that these things are aside from the
puncher's chance ineffective and i think ufc one two
three you know as before people start to get
hit to the whole jiu jitsu thing but before people knew jiu jitsu they
just knew their other stuff that was the testing ground that was the whole reason
ufc was invented by the way yeah and that's why those first ufcs are awesome
yeah you you get to see these 250 you know bare knuckle
kick boxer guy strong you know go in there
with real quote-unquote real fighting experience against a
way smaller grappler jiu jitsu guy and lose
in fact this is to go one step further if you watch ufc
2 pat smith who's he was one of my favorite guys by the way when i was
watching he's a kickboxer he was badass guy 210
solid wrecking guys makes it to the finals against hoist gracie
and royce gracie didn't tap him out or he tapped him out but now with the
submission hold he tapped him due to strikes
so a grappler guy found it out like you know
a striker guy um no submissions it was all punches it was
nowadays no one would ever tap to that now but i'm just saying yeah
only because they know if you don't know you just think you're dead
yeah yeah one guy like i said before one guy tapped because he was claustrophobic
he just got mounted but nonetheless um yeah you
it's it's hard to to really reconcile really what this question i don't know
if it's implying anything well it's definitely implying that this
guy that i was going against was like holding back
right and that might you know hold a different tale
but yeah i've been against countless literally countless of guys have sparred
against me trying to knock me out whether they're traditional martial
artists whether they're just countless guys
yeah and it's hard to knock somebody out yeah and i don't i don't know who asked
the question of course i'm not gonna you know hate on the question or nothing
like that but speaking from experience this sounds
like the exact question that inexperienced people have you know
people who are well no this is coming most likely from
somebody that's been heavily involved in traditional martial arts and has been
told that hey don't worry about somebody trying to take you down because if you
just hit them here and here they'll fall and you'll win
that's exactly what i'm talking about that's not that's not good that's sort
of why i put this in here you know just to make sure that
um that they realize that hey you shouldn't
you should actually pay attention to what else is going on in the world
instead of staying in like hey just this one little
traditional martial art yeah and it's the same thing with
if you're just doing jiu jitsu and we're gonna i got this in here later there's
another question about this but i mean i i don't tell people just train
jiu jitsu i tell them train jiu jitsu change
wrestling train boxing chain muay thai and you know what when you get done with
all that and you have a good base train krav maga and then you
you know what do realistic situations by the way you should learn how to shoot a
gun and by the way you should be in good shape
do everything yeah yeah agreed one answer is not the answer yeah t-shirt next question every time we say
something like that like one answer is not the answer which
i must admit sounds pretty cool that's pretty dope yeah but we'll get
everyone's gonna say put that on a t-shirt and then i have to
refer to echo and see if he's gonna put it on a t-shirt
you know we'll see how that works out