Well, you guys, welcome back to another episode of The Resilient Show. I am on the road and I'm in Jacksonville, Florida. Actually, am I in Jacksonville? Yeah, Duval.
Duval, Florida. Okay. So I'm with Pastor Joe B. Martin and I'm super excited for you guys to get to know him as I'm getting to know him as well. And he just does some incredible, incredible things at 1122 Church here.
And we're going to talk about some things that are super important to me about... biblical manhood, about the church in America today, the crisis that's going on in our culture today. So, so many things that I want to talk about that was important to me, and I couldn't think of a better person to speak on these topics as Pastor Joby, and you'll know why here in a second. So, before we get started, Pastor Joby, I want to read your bio to give that right idea of who you are.
Joby Martin is one of the leading examples of bold men who embody authentic masculinity and have taken up the mantle to truly lead in their communities. You are the founder and lead pastor of the church, 1122, here in Jacksonville, Florida. Since launching in 2012, this is incredible.
Pastor Joby's led a movement for all people, all different demographics, to discover and deepen their relationship with Jesus. The church currently has 14 locations, including three prison campuses, and they have more campuses opening. They have an average attendance on a Sunday of over 20,000 people.
Thank you. I was just in his church auditorium and he said there's 3,001 seats, specifically 3,001 seats because of the Pentecost. The day of Pentecost and one more. One more, yeah. So in addition to the 20,000 that you have at your campuses, you have additional 45,000 plus online each weekend.
You're also author and speaker. You've done three books, If the Tomb is Empty, Anything is Possible, and a new book that we're going to talk about here at the end of the episode today, run over by the Grace Train. I think most importantly. For a man like you, you've been married to your wife, Gretchen, for 25 years and have a son and a daughter. You're a jiu-jitsu purple belt.
I am. Which is super cool. I think every pastor should be a jiu-jitsu, have some kind of color belt in jiu-jitsu, because it just really brings out a lot about you. You learn a lot about yourself on those mats.
No doubt. Man, I love all that you do, and I love what you're doing for your community here, which has expanded beyond this community. It's reaching across the nation when you have the online presence.
Reach around the world. But I love the example you are because right now this country, America, the world is, but I think today I specifically want to talk about America is in just this cultural crisis. And the answer to that crisis is found through men of God.
And we have the answers. But many of the men in the church that do have the answers don't have the courage or backbone to speak the truth because they're worried about the repercussions of speaking truth. And you. I've done the opposite of that.
And because of that, God, thank God's really blessed you, has a hand of favor over you. And you're making an incredible impact, not just for the community, but for the kingdom. A couple of things before we get started that I want to talk about.
I want to kind of outline what we're going to talk about today. I want to talk about pastoring 1122 Church and what it is. I want to talk to Pastor Joby about the manhood, Christ in America, culture and Christianity, how they intersect.
And his new book, Run Over by the Grace Train. But I want to start off with, because I think it's important. your foundation, maybe how you grew up and how you, uh, and your personal journey to become a Christian and become a Christ follower to lead you to where you, what you're doing today.
Yeah, man. First of all, it's an honor to meet you face to face. I know we've talked on the phone a little bit.
I know a lot about you. I listened to your show all the time and follow you on everybody else's shows too, and all the things that you've done and for who you represent. And, uh, I was the first Martin to not go into the military. Uh, all my folks were.
in the Navy. And then, but I just know this without men like you, I don't get to do what I get to do. And I do not take that lightly.
And I know a bunch of people say, thank you for your service. And I heard you say you were just being selfish, chasing after goals and stuff. However, if men like you didn't stand on that wall to protect our freedom, I don't get to share the gospel with all the people that have come to know Christ here.
And so I am forever grateful. So I grew up in the South, probably tell by my accent and, uh, uh, didn't grow up in church though. We just hunted and fished all the time, but we would have considered ourselves Christians cause we were Southerners. So we believe in like the second amendment and sec football and Santa Claus and Jesus, you know? Uh, and then when, uh, not near to the extreme that you've talked about in your life, but my family situation got pretty, pretty jacked up when I was in high school.
And, uh, my parents were good to me. They just, um, couldn't figure out how to be good to each other. I found myself in some relatively significant trouble. And a football coach, an old JV football coach in a town that I used to live in ran this little Baptist camp.
And he got me to go to that camp. And while I was at that camp, they reenacted the crucifixion of Christ. They like before.
the Passion of the Christ movie, they acted it out. And somehow in that moment, I realized this was not a story, but this was an actual event. And when Jesus died on the cross, it counted for me. And so I got radically saved. And then I got home and I couldn't find a church that looked anything like the camp that I went to.
Because at camp, man, the counselors were a bunch of athletes and they were awesome and they loved Jesus. And then I got to church and it was all about rules and dress codes. And so I never really fit in church very well at all.
And then when I was 19. Felt called to ministry and did student ministry for a long time because I thought that's where it's at. Little kids don't know what's going on and old people are stuck in their way. So I did student ministry and then moved to Jacksonville in 03. And the pastor that I worked for, Pastor Jerry Switz, the best Christian I've ever met in my life, he let me start my own service and it started at 1122 on Sunday mornings.
And so that's what we called it. And after about a year and a half, it outgrew the church we were at. And then he said, you should plant a church. And so we planted it here.
So this thing is a movement for all people to discover and deepen a relationship with Jesus. And so no matter who you are or where you're from or what you've done or what you struggle with, then you are welcome here, but not just to come here and be yourself, but to come to die to yourself to know who Jesus is and follow after him. And God's breathed on it. And I'm pumped that I get to be a part of it. Man, I had this profound question of why 1122. I was waiting for so long.
It's just what time it started. And then we, I mean, we proof text the whole Bible. And, uh, Mark 11.22 says Jesus answered, have faith in God. But it really just started. That's what time has started.
You guys still have 11.22? We do. We have Thursday night services at 7.22.
Then we have 9 and 11.22 on Sunday mornings. That's awesome. And people still can't hear on time.
Yeah. This church has involved us so many things. So many, yeah.
I mean, so many ministries and outreach. And a lot of churches, depends on theology and leadership of the church. But a lot of churches focus inside the walls of the church there. And, you know, they're. they're there to not do the evangelist, not go outside the walls of churches, focusing on people that are there, but you seem to have really taken a really strong approach to going outside the walls of the church.
Yeah. I don't think it's either or I think it's both. And I think the best way to deepen your relationship with Jesus is get real serious about helping other people discover theirs. So if you look through the four gospels, the disciples got in trouble when they turned inward and they were like, what about us?
So like Matthew 20, Hey, can we sit at your right and left? And then he's like, dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah.
But when they were conduits of God's grace, that's when they grew the most. And that's when God would give them a high five. Like when they, when Jesus fed the 5,000, it's his power that fed them, but it was through the hands of the disciples.
And so I think the best way to be a disciple is to be about making disciples. That is the great commission. And so you can't divorce those two things. And we didn't mean to be a big church where, you know, we have a lot of people that attend.
We were always just trying to make room for one more. So my football coach that led me to Christ, he died when I was on a mission trip. I was doing missions, and he was back home and passed away, and I got a phone call that his funeral was coming up, and I couldn't make it. And I thought, man, of course he would die while I'm on a mission trip.
And the guy that preached his funeral preached Acts 11.24. It says this, and he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a great number were brought to the Lord. I got it tattooed right there.
And in the kingdom of God, a great number is just one more. So we just challenge our people to pay very close attention to that one more person that God has put in their life that God would like to leverage your life to reach that one more for his glory through the gospel. We were talking about this before the show. I never aspired to do public speaking.
Like it was not something on the radar. I've always been comfortable in front of crowds. I've taught a lot and stuff like that. So it wasn't about that. It was just like maybe didn't feel qualified or just didn't want to put myself out there like that.
My background in special operations, I just didn't want to expose that. So I never want to, but when I realized the power of reach one more and the impact you could have in people's lives, I just felt God just burned my heart and felt compelled to. And when I was first starting to speak, I was getting some mentorship from different people. One of them was a man named Dave Reaver.
And Dave told me this. He's like, when you go speak, whether it's 10 people or 10,000 people, always think about that one person that's sitting in the back of the room, maybe somebody's son, brother, whoever it is that made him be the last message that they hear before they face their eternity. What I appreciate about you and what you're doing is leveraging the platform that you have for Jesus.
I mean, it doesn't matter what podcast you're on. It doesn't matter the audience. I mean, like you were saying, you casually talked about, yeah, I was, you know, speaking to Congress the other day. Okay, cool. But everywhere I see you go, I see you point to Jesus.
Oh, yeah. I was on the House floor in Congress the other day testifying, and I professed Jesus as a solution. I said to the VA, the leaders of the VA, I said, man, like. PTSD to me is a spiritual wound. We could have, you got great physical programs for people with burns and prosthetics and stuff like that.
So why are you guys still getting dark started at you every day? Why are you still missing the mark? Because a spiritual wound requires a spiritual solution.
And there's no other alternative to that than Jesus Christ. And until you guys realize that, you're never going to solve this problem. Well, when Jesus is asked, what's the greatest commandment? He quotes the Shema from Deuteronomy 6, 4, which is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
And most of the time these days, people only focus on the mind and the physical, but they leave out the relational and the spiritual. And until you address those things, you'll never, ever, ever bring wholeness to the whole man. That's right. So with the church this size, so I was talking to someone about coming here and I said, you know, Pastor Joe, they're like, oh, that's that mega church in Florida. And I was like, I really don't see it as a mega church.
And it is mega, right? But it's like it came with a negative tone. And I don't think size is always a negative thing. Like the bigger doesn't mean it's not as good. If it's managed right and led right.
And I feel like you guys are doing it right here. When people are like, well, that church is too big. Who do you want me to ask to leave? Yeah.
I mean, who do you want me to not reach? That's the part I don't understand, you know. That's awesome. And if you don't like big churches, you'd have hated the first one. Yeah.
The first service of the first church, they grew to 3,000 in one meeting. So. Yeah. We're not trying to be a big church.
We're not in the crowd environment. We're trying to make disciples that make disciples that make disciples. It's one of the reasons we do the multi-site thing. So if you don't like the big thing, man, we've got a campus 20 minutes down the road, and you'll attend service with like 300 or 400 people.
And so we're just trying to make disciples of everybody God would allow us to. Join a small group. A hundred percent, man. Yeah. Yeah, I have a really hard time with people pointing fingers at a negative finger and a negative tone towards.
Churches that God's clearly blessing and making a huge impact in the kingdom. Well, the mega thing is such a weird term. So, all right, yes, we run whatever, 20, 25,000 people on a weekend in services in a city with 2 million people.
Well, what's 25,000 when there's what, probably a million and a half lost people in Jacksonville? Yeah. We're barely making that dent.
So, let me tell you who loves a church that's got room for one more. Somebody that's got a prodigal son or granddaughter. Somebody that's got a husband that doesn't like church but might like it here.
Somebody that they love like crazy that needs to hear the gospel. And they're not going to get hung up with a bunch of religious rules, but they're just going to meet Jesus face to face. They love a church that has an open seat for their one more. Couldn't say it better than that.
And I can think of a whole lot of people that I'd love to see here on a Sunday morning. Let's go. One of the biggest issues in America right now is this manhood crisis.
And I speak a lot about it. I know you do. And I could say it's an issue it's a global issue.
But to me, today, I'd really like to speak of it as an American issue because the reason I want to make it an American issue is because I believe that there's an attack on men in America specifically because there's a very intentional and sophisticated global agenda by globalists, by Marxists. And the only way they can achieve globalism is to take out America, and the only way to take out America is to take out the men. And so I believe it's a very deliberate attack. That's why I think the attack on masculinity in America is, is kind of getting the deeper root of the cause. So it's same demons, new days, man.
Yeah. So the demonic has tried this before when Bob, you know, they're trying to take out Moses. What do they do? Wipe out a generation of boys, men. When Jesus shows up on the scene, the same thing.
I think, I think God is about to do an amazing thing in this generation through our country and all over the world. And anytime you see God about to do an amazing thing, you'll see the enemy rise up and try to take out a generation. And every time a great awakening or a great revival has happened, it's always happened like in the youth generation.
And the number one problem, if we could solve this one in America, we solve everything. And it's fatherlessness. If you can take out the dad, if you can take out the men, the protectors, then by definition, the weakest, the vulnerable, the women and the children are by definition vulnerable and defenseless. Paul says this in 1 Corinthians. 16, 13, and 14. And by the way, my next book, which is coming out next October, is on this verse.
Paul says, be watchful. That means like be on watch like you have been on watch. That's what that word means.
It's a military term. It means to fight. Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong, let all you do be done in love. I think that verse, the hub of that verse is act like men. And how do you act like men?
It's the imperatives around it. You are to watch out. You're to stand firm. That means to like stand your ground, to be strong, that the strength that you've been given as a man is not for you.
It's to provide, to protect, to be the prophet, priest, and servant king, and that let all you do be done in love. Our ultimate and greatest example is Jesus. He's also the power source by which we were to do this.
And the only way you'll be able to stand up and act like a man is to bend your knee to the God, man, himself, Jesus Christ. And when men... lead and love well. everybody flourishes.
When men don't do their job, everybody suffers. Almost every nonprofit in our country was created because men didn't do what they were supposed to do. Absolutely.
Yeah. You know, I just pastored this church here in my little corner of the world, but we're trying to do our best to raise up a generation of men that will act like men. You're so on point because, you know, the Marxists have always specifically targeted the family and the fathers in the family.
I mean, you can look at just some of the things that we've seen in America. in the last 100 years uh Planned Parenthood is one of them completely targeted nuclear family uh the BLM movement no one wants to say that but the Black Lives Matter movement if you looked on their website they specifically said on their website they have Marxist language and one of the things that they were targeting to the deconstruction of the nuclear family the the mother and the father in in the home uh you have you have things like uh the transgender movement the DEI all these things are to take the men uh out of out of the leadership in their home and their rightful role and there's a very intentional demasculization of Mennonite culture and many places the church has gone along with it. Here's what people have to understand.
This isn't just a different ideology. It's not just like, well, you know what, Chad, you're a capitalist and you're a traditionalist and you have this idea, but these nice people over here at the Frankfurt School, they just have their idea and can't we just all get along? No, no, no.
These ideas that we often refer to as Marxist because that's where their origins are, but the origins behind that, these are demonic ideas. Yeah. An attack on gender is an attack on the character and nature of God. That's what it is. That God ordered this world in such a way that there's males and females, and they don't compete, they complement one another.
And so an attack on that is trying to dethrone the order by which God created. You know who else did that? Lucifer did that because he wanted to sit on God's throne.
And so until people realize that things like DEI and that The transgender ideology. Listen, man, the poor person that is so confused right now about the body that they're in, the church ought to be the place that they can run to and say, I need help. And we go, you sure do.
Please let us help you understand your father and your creator so that you can know who you are. But this ideology is dark and demonic. And again, the reason, I mean, Jesus talks about this, man.
You bind up the strong man. Yeah. Then what's going to happen?
Seven more are going to come in. And so this is. the demonic infiltration. And here's what's crazy.
Here's what... Do people not read? The Marxists in the 60s wrote out their next hundred steps that they were going to take to take over America. Just read it.
I mean, it's like a checklist. And then we act as if this is a brand new thing that just came up in the last 20 years. Have you seen Seth Gruber's 1916 project? I have.
I talked to Seth about two weeks ago. Incredible. Incredible.
It just really breaks down. Plant Power to be an example of this. Planned Parenthood, it is demonic.
It is racist. It's unbelievable the mind swap that happens with the people that support that. Yeah. I mean, you go back to the Negro Project that they used the black community to— Correct.
I mean, it's insane. We're breaking down numbers of 13% blacks in America, 4% are ovulating women, but they account for 45% of the abortions in America. I was sitting on an airplane. The other day, I fly away too much like you do, and I almost always have to write a sermon.
And so one of my—and, bro, if you cut me, I'm an evangelist. I want to share my faith, but, you know, everybody's got AirPods in now, so I'm also not a weirdo. So I'll usually sit down and just open my Bible, right? Boom, there it is.
So you see it, and I kind of give the look, and if somebody wants to talk about it, we're going to talk about it. If not, then, you know, maybe God has the word for them in another time, and I got work to do. And so this lady's like, you actually believe that?
And I'm like, I really do. We start talking. I'm trying to share the gospel. She says, well, what do you think about a woman's reproductive rights?
And I said, you mean abortion? She goes, yeah. And I go, yeah, I'm not a racist. Yeah. She's like, she had never put together.
So we log on to Delta Wi-Fi and we just start doing, I just show her just a little bit of the history of Planned Parenthood. And it was as if she had never seen it in her life to put together that there had been a group of people that had been targeted to be taken out through these same tactics that now she thinks is a right. It's, it's, I'm telling you it's demonic. I think it's what people need to understand right now.
This isn't a right or left or liberal or conservative or Republican or Democrat. This is good versus evil. This is heaven hell.
Yeah. Yeah. Not left, not right.
This is up versus down. That's what this is. We can say it's Marxism and all this stuff, but it goes back to demonic straight out of the pit of hell. And it's a very intentional and sophisticated plot to destroy God's creation and, and uproot God's intent. And you mentioned earlier, I think maybe a part of the reason we met is because, um, Uh, we have here in Florida, there's a, there's an amendment trying to be passed called amendment four that is very, dude, here's how you know it's from the devil.
It's written in such a confusing way that if you read the title and I read the title and didn't know what it is, I'd vote for it. Cause it says something like limiting government involvement in abortion. And you're like, who doesn't want to limit government involvement? What it actually does is abortion for any reason or no reason up to the point of birth.
Um, underage kids don't need parental consent. They're trying to make Florida a destination state for abortion. And doctors don't even have to perform it. Anybody that's a health care provider can do it. And so I hammered it like a nail in our services.
Because here's the thing, man. I mean, when William Wilberforce did not check his faith at the door but fought for the abolition of slavery, he did it because he was a Christian, not in spite of being a Christian. When Dietrich Bonhoeffer had the guts, the spine, to stand up against Nazi Germany, we now all applaud him as a hero. And everybody else is like, hey, man, stay in your lane.
He was in his lane. I mean, I don't think it's a stretch for Jesus in Matthew 25 to be like, when I was hungry, you gave me food. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. I was in prison, you visited me.
I don't think it's a stretch for him to say, I was an unborn baby in the womb, and you fought for my right to be born. And so that's what we're going to do. Now, I think a bunch of guys don't do it for a bunch of reasons.
One, I mean, you're tough. Everybody you're around is tough. This is funny. I was talking to my team. Typically, when I'm on a podcast, I'm the toughest guy they've talked to in a long time because I'm on all these Christian podcasts, you know, and they're like, you do jujitsu?
And as if it's an abnormality, you know, or whatever, I lift weights, I do the things. I might be the weakest guy who's ever been on your podcast because everybody you interview is like been in gunfights and stuff. But in preacher world. Yeah, you're a tough dude. Yeah, but the strongest backbone dudes aren't necessarily the ones that gravitate towards being shepherds.
They're not, man. You know, they're very smart and they've got good theology. So the makeup of men that would stand in the pulpit and fight, so you're already limited.
And then probably the things that makes me the most nervous is the amount of fear that so many churches operate in. And fear is not a personality type. Fear is a spirit that does not come from God. Paul tells Timothy, God did not give you a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
Now, when I'm up there hammering, you know, some kind of abortion bill here in our state, I know I'm going to get blowback. I know I'm going to get pushed back. But I'm more concerned about the day when I stand before my Savior and have to give an account for how I stewarded this responsibility that he gave me as a voice. Yeah. And I would much rather take my licks here and now and then him look at me and say, well done, good and faithful servant.
Yeah, that's a big topic for me right now. I've spoken about this quite a bit from the pulpit and I just really have a heart I was speaking to Jim Daly on Focus on Family about it just for pastors to advocate their role of speaking truth in fear of the repercussions of someone calling them political is just it's just something I can't wrap my head around because who should be speaking about this most should be pastors because freedom is on the chopping block including our religious liberties including the ability to stand on that pulpit every Sunday and share the gospel you That literally is on a chopping block. For sure. 25% of the world gets religious freedom.
75% of the world lives under religious persecution. And if you don't think that they're coming after it, I mean, we've seen it. We've seen it. Just look across the border in Canada.
We've seen it during COVID here. It is on a chopping block. And so if we don't get involved in politics, I think pastors are forfeiting their voice to the secular politicians to choose for them. And so if anybody should be speaking up, it should be our pastors.
Virtually all of the Bible is written in political context. Absolutely. I mean, isn't the whole book of Exodus about one nation getting out from under the tyrannical control of another nation? I mean, Jesus, you know, he got crucified by the Romans.
It was just an occupying force. That's the context in which he gets crucified. I mean, we are supposed to speak a truth in love, whatever situation we find ourselves in.
Jesus, right after the Beatitudes, in the Sermon on the Mount, he makes it very clear. You're salt, you're light, you're a city on a hill. Those were all meant to say, you are supposed to impact this culture, not hide from it. That's right.
I mean, look, but I say that, and there's some amazing pastors out there. For sure. I mean, you, Pastor Alan Jackson in Marshboro, Tennessee, Stephen Troy Smotherland out in New Mexico.
There's some incredible pastors out there doing. And let me say this too, Chad. And hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of faithful men preaching the gospel.
preaching, pushing back darkness in their pulpits. You've just never heard of them because for whatever reason, but they are, they are not all Jack Hibbs and this, right. They're doing praise God for those. I mean, you know, the only, you know, people report on the one or two guys a month that do terrible things.
They don't, they don't point to the tens of thousands of faithful men carrying along the gospel every week. But if the pastors can't go to their communities and give biblical guidance on things like abortion to speak against abortion from, from conception, To the tomb, like you said, if you can't speak on that, if you can't speak on a sexual immunization of children, if you don't have the moral courage to speak on the sexual indoctrination of children in your own community from the pulpit, then I think you should step off the pulpit and go find a different job. Back in the height of COVID and all the racial riots and all the things going on, and man, my card's on the table.
My brother is a police officer in St. John's County, just the county south of here. He's like the... There's the sheriff and then there's like four commanders and he's one of those guys.
So he's been doing this his whole life. So big fan. You know what I mean? I'm back in the blue 100%. And I'm watching all these riots and the defund the police and all just the crazy going on, right?
And, you know, and I'm trying to lead this place and figure out what to do. And I remember sitting on my couch going, first of all, the government's telling us we can't have meetings. And look, none of us knew what was happening at first.
I think we were shut down here six or seven weeks. And then I was like, we're opening. I don't care. We're opening. And sure enough, the day we opened, it spiked again.
But I called our sheriff. I was like, look, man, I just saw on the news. If you have more than 10 people, you can go to jail. Are you going to put me in jail?
And he's like. Tell me when you're meeting. Can I come?
And I said, yes, you can. And he parked his police car right out here and we would record service on Tuesdays and blast them out. Anyway, I'm sitting there and all I could think about is when Jesus saw the crowds and he says, they're like sheep without a shepherd.
And it led me to John chapter 10, verse 10. This is the preeminent text on being a shepherd in the New Testament. The enemy's vision statement is in our Bible. The thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy.
And every night I'd turn on the news and the only thing I'd see is stealing and killing and destroying. And Jesus says, but I have come that you may have abundant life. And I begin to ask the question, what would it look like for a church to offer abundant life in Christ from womb to tomb? Not just be pro-life as a political stance up to the point of birth, but what if we did something about it from the moment that kid was conceived until God took him home? So we started this 1010 Life project and this 1010 Life journey.
And we have all kinds of ministries like... adoption and foster care. And we work with the Tim Tebow Foundation to rescue kids out of human trafficking. And we work with special needs and senior adults.
And we have a first responders ministry because we're in this thing all the way in. So the other thing I would challenge churches to do is not just to like get the rhetoric right from the pulpit, but also put your money where your mouth is. James says, look, man, talk's cheap. So get in the game to take care of the least of these, to take care of the families that say, because here's the thing about the woman who has bought into the lie of abortion.
Dude, I've never been a teenage pregnant girl. I don't know. I've never walked in those shoes. I would love to be the kind of church that a girl like that could come to us and say, will you help? And we would say, we absolutely will.
So in addition to fighting for the right to the unborn to be born, we also offer classes called forgiveness. and set free because we want these girls to know that if you are in Christ, therefore now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ. And somebody tricked you and lied to you, and we want to help you find healing and hope. So we fight for life from womb to tomb, and I would love for an army of churches to do it.
You know, I was talking to, I don't know, somebody, something like 90 million Christians in America don't vote every year. If we would just register to vote, read your Bible, and act like it. That's it.
All this changes. All this changes. I mean, I've said this from, you know, as a guest speaker from the pulpit, like this is election year.
And I believe every Christian should vote. I feel like you have a duty to vote. However, our problems are not going to be solved by politicians in D.C.
Our problems are going to be changed in our own home. And one of the biggest things that a Christian could do is to vote. If you simply vote biblical truths and the Christian community stands up and just does that, all this goes away. So we, the Christian community, we...
We're the problem. You can point to politicians in DC all the time. We're the problem because we're not, we're advocating our role to speak into the, uh, the future of this country and directors. I'll say, I'll say this.
I don't know how a guy sits across from a guy like you, that's put his life on the line so many times and says, I think I'm going to sit this one out. Yeah. I mean, you, I haven't done anything, man.
I mean, I preach the gospel, but I would do that no matter. It's a big thing. It is big. Eternally speaking, it's big, but I would do it no matter the country I'm in.
Yeah. You know? So, so, You have literally almost died multiple times defending my right to vote. I think it is such a cop-out when the Christian says, well, I don't like my two options.
I'm going to sit this one out. I think it was Larry Elder that said this, and I think this is one of the best ways to think about our current options. He said he was listening to people interview golfers one time, and they said, what makes a great golfer? And the first guy is like. Talking about backswing and club speed.
And he was really technical. And the other guy goes, it's just where the ball lands. Like, I don't care how you swing.
Yeah. Okay. Looking at the two options we have right now, do I have critique on both of their lives? For sure.
Absolutely. But with one of them, there's so many things I wish I could. I mean, I wish Donald Trump would come to my church and let me disciple him. I think he can learn a lot.
No problem. I wish Kamala knew who Jesus was. But when I look at where the ball lands between the two on things like abortion, on things like transgenderism, on things like the border, and it's not because we're trying to keep people out. We're trying to keep fentanyl that's killing people. We're trying to keep that out.
We're trying to keep child sex slavery out. OK, when you look at where the ball lands. of our choices.
Read your Bible and vote on where the ball lands according to the scriptures. I think a lot of times too, people look at the individual and you know, you kind of said this, they don't look at policy. They look at the individual, don't look at policy because people are inherently lazy. And they'll look at the team. Like if I'm betting on a football team, I don't bet on the quarterback.
I look at the whole team. When you look at who Donald Trump's bringing, Vavik, Tulsi Gabbard. or fk uh eli musk this is how the country was set up to that people come from industry business teachers pastors they come they lead their industry to serve correct not be career politicians to serve and then go back to that that's that's how we're set up to do or also just look at the film man yeah i mean i exactly you know i coached my son in football until he graduated now so i'm done but you know what you do you know how you learn what a team's gonna do you just watch their film Isn't this the first time ever we got four years of film on our two different options? Yeah.
Well, just look at that. Look at the, that's good. Yeah. That's, yeah. And the evidence is there.
If the difference was on the size of the military and how much taxes and inflation, I have, I for sure have opinions about those things. And if you could probably guess about those. Yeah.
But that's not why I'm bringing this up to our church. I'm talking about Psalm 139 says you were fearfully, wonderfully made, knit together in your mother's womb. I'm talking about that.
Yeah. You know. I'm talking about that the enemy wants to steal, kill, and destroy, and Jesus has abundant life.
That is the things that we are voting on. These are biblical standards, and politics have gotten out of their lane and weaved into the church, telling us when we can and can't meet. I don't think so. And historically, we have context for the church, the repercussions of being passive and not speaking up. You know, the church has not created it.
Jesus didn't call the church to be passive on these things. But a lot of pastors have copped. cop out with saying we don't get political uh Dietrich Bonhoeffer you mentioned earlier one of my heroes no doubt he got political uh there was 18,000 churches in Germany 3,000 sided with the Nazis 3,000 stood against the Nazis 12,000 was silent and told people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer sit down we don't get political and the holocaust happened Eric Metaxas great friend of mine uh just wrote an amazing book called letter to American church I'm actually helping him to promote his film Uh, because I believe in it. I believe in what he's saying is this is, we have a historical example of Dietrich Bonhoeffer in Germany.
And right now we're in America facing similar times. Or how about on our own soil? Does anybody look at the civil rights and say that the church shouldn't have been involved?
The church led it. That's right. The problem is when the church got uninvolved in the civil rights fight, that's when it became a problem.
Yeah. But the church led that. And I mean, in every, almost every church.
All over America, we're going to celebrate the civil rights movement and bringing equality that people will be judged on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Yes. The church didn't.
The churches we are applaud are the churches that led the way in that. Well, it's just our turn. It's just our turn now. And we need to stand up for those that cannot stand up for themselves. And that is the one of the groups is the unborn.
Another group is the tens of thousands of kids that are being trafficked across our southern border right now that they don't even know where they are. The cartels know where they are. Hey guys, 10 years ago, I had found myself in a position to where investing in Mighty Oaks and all the different things I'm involved in, I had found myself not prepared for retirement. And I went to my friend, Ryan Wheelis at Allied Wealth. He had been a longtime supporter of Mighty Oaks Foundation.
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And if I knew that was in my community and choosing, you know, some pastors are unaware, but if you knew it was in there and you chose not to speak up against it. Yeah. Early on, you ask about. what the manhood problem yeah in america okay man i just kind of feel like in my dad's generation my dad's 75 years old fought in vietnam and he was a boxing champion he's a bad dude man if somebody talked nasty like that to me when i was in the third grade if he found a book with descriptions of homosexual sex and in my book bag when i was in the third grade he would say who put this in here And then he would go find that person.
I'm not advocating violence, but he would have, he'd have turned over some tables and made a whip. Yeah. And we wouldn't have that problem anymore. No, and that's the only people that go to these school board meetings mostly are the moms and the women. Where are the men?
The men should be going up and standing up for their children. Hey, what is this filth doing in my kid's library? When David, King David, right?
When he falls with Bathsheba, the beginning of that chapter in 2 Samuel says, In the spring where kings went to war, David sent Joab, and he was sitting on his couch. A lazy man's a dangerous thing. Yeah. And when you begin to abdicate responsibility and hand that off to other people, like raising kids is just woman's work. Girls, y'all handle that because we got work to do.
Then you're just like King David sitting around on his couch, and he's lazy and he's bored. The next thing that happens is he train wrecks his whole life because he looks down there and sees Bathsheba bathing. He says, oh, I got an idea.
And so we cannot abdicate the responsibility for our family. Just like I mentioned earlier, one day I will have to stand before the Lord and give an account for the church that I pastor. Every single one of us dads and husbands will stand before the Lord and we will give an account to the Lord of this incredible gift that he gave us called a wife and a family that we were called to steward. That means we are to be the provider, the protector, the prophet, the priest, and the servant king. And it is not enough for the man to say, well, you know, I buy the food and I buy the food.
provide shelter. A possum does that for their family. Yeah.
You got to up the game a little bit, Hoss. You're literally fighting for the souls of our children right now. I use this term a lot about our current generation of men being just simply boys who shave. That's right.
I heard you mentioned the dangers in our culture for boys who declare themselves men. Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah.
When I was in seminary, I did this like mission training class and I was in Kenya, Africa for the majority of a summer. and for about a month I stayed with the Maasai tribe. And so they have a very clear ritual when they establish boys becoming men.
And the grown men kind of steal the boys away. They're like 14 to 16 years old and they go lion hunting with spears. Bro, it's crazy.
And either you don't come back or when you come back, you're a man. And they asked me, so in your culture, when does a boy become a man? I thought, uh-oh, there's no agreed upon.
ritual or definition. And so for all of human history until about the last hundred years, there was only two classification of male. There was boy and there was man. About the last 75 years, we have a new classification. Technically, it's called adolescent.
I call it, it's just a dude. Yeah. And a dude is a dangerous thing, man. My daddy used to always say that men are like a flatbed truck.
They drive straighter with a heavy load. Prolonged adolescence. A hundred percent, man. And so physically you're becoming a man, but you take none of the responsibility. Here's the thing.
It takes a man to bestow manhood on a new generation of men. And if you don't know what a man is, then you've got boys trying to bestow manhood on other boys. And that is what toxic masculinity is. When you try to define manhood by how much you consume.
Like I got bigger muscles or a darker belt or I can beat you up or my truck's bigger or I can drink more. No, no, no, no. Just accumulate more things.
A man, a biblical man is a servant. Yeah. Like Jesus, knowing all authority in heaven and earth had been given unto him, he gets up from the table to show his disciples the full extent of his love, and he washes their feet.
I mean, I heard you say on a recent podcast that once you figured out that you were a servant and that was your primary role, then you can really step into what it means to be a man. So we're supposed to serve our children, our communities, our church, our wife, and we weren't given the strength that we have for our own sake. That's just arrogance, man.
That's just... The fact that I got tattoos and a few muscles and more guns and I have fingers and got a couple on me right now, and that doesn't make me a man. It makes me awesome, but it doesn't make me a man. When you bend your knee to Jesus, that makes you a man. And then it is up to us to bestow manhood on this upcoming generation of young men.
I say this all the time. Like, you know, one of the greatest bits of life advice I feel like I could ever give if I asked one question is it's not about you. Manhood, life, it's not about you. It's about others.
And men are not. Like you said, men are not consumers. We're producers.
We're servants. And we're meant to bear fruit and invest in others. And so, yeah, it's one of the biggest takeaways I have. I've heard it said before, and I've said it myself, we have this culture of prolonged adolescence. And what we see in that is there's a famous quote.
I don't know who came up with this, but they say, strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times, and hard times create strong men. And we're in hard times right now.
We are. So we talked a lot about the negative side of this. But since we're in hard times right now, are you seeing those hard times produce a resurgence of strong men?
Not just strong men, but strong Christian men. That's what I've said. I think the reason, bro, I think the reason your podcast is so popular, young men are starving for men like you.
They are. And this is also why Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson and Sean Ryan are also so popular. And you'll notice, even Joe Rogan, look at how far he's come in his thoughts about who God is over the last few years. I mean, Peterson, dude, that guy starts reading the Bible real hard about 10 years ago, and he can't get off him now, and he cries about Jesus all the time. I love it so much.
Well, because they're truth seekers. And if you're a truth seeker, you're going to find the truth. A hundred percent.
And they're still wrestling with it, but they, each of them in their own timing and own way have had a confrontation with the truth. And that is who Jesus is. I agree.
And I think men like you and I are here to just put language to it so they know the truth is Jesus. I, I, what I see is a polarization more than anything else. I see the weak getting weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker. And they're on a pursuit of self-discovery, bathed in self-indulgence. Yeah.
That's it. And then I see a group of young men. saying, I want to do what the Bible says. I want to be watchful. I want to stand firm.
I want to act like men. Can somebody show me how to do that? And at this church, we go, we'll show you. And so if you were to come here on a Sunday, you would be overwhelmed by the number of strong men in this place, young and old, with their hands up praising Jesus, with their families down at the altar praying over their kids and their wives, leading in the parking lot, leading in the kids'area, leading in the student area.
And it's simply because serving, that's it. That's it. And we have just, we didn't redefine it.
We didn't redefine what masculinity is. We just got back to the original definition of what it was, which is what the Bible says it is. Yeah.
Yeah. So I see a polarization. And you see it, you see it in the political sphere right now, because I think really people have really come to the truth and realization.
I would definitely say I'm a conservative. I'm a Christian conservative, but I'm not a Republican. I'm voting Republican because of my biblical values align with that, but I would never behold to any political party ever. Uh, and, uh, but what I'm seeing right now is people that are Democrats. I was just, uh, with these amazing people in, in Louisiana.
Uh, they started this event called prosecutors, prosecutors as a keynote speaker, where they rescuing, uh, Afghan judges and, and, uh, prosecutors who put the Taliban in jail. And then we left them there. Of course, we freed the jails of 50,000 Taliban fighters and gave them the biometrics list of all these judges and prosecutors.
So they're, systematically hunting down targeting them and this district attorney uh hillar moore and baton rouge has led this effort and now they have all these district attorneys and judges in america to come together to help get these people out and uh went spoke and raised a half million dollars the other night for it was amazing but he but he's a democrat he's been a you know lifelong christian and and uh and he just said hey i'm still running it i'm still in my office as a democrat but i'm voting for donald trump and uh not because he likes donald trump because because it's because of the what you said is polar opposites and he has to make a choice between good and evil And he's not going to vote party. And I think you see more and more of that. You have a mayor up in Michigan, maybe, that's Democrat mayor, and he's voting.
He just endorsed President Trump. It's kind of crazy. And then you've got, like, you've got Democrats high-fiving each other because they got the endorsement of Dick Cheney. Yeah. Is that good?
It's crazy. When did the Democrats become the war, the, like, pro-war party? Industrial military complex.
It's unbelievable. So my thing is there seems to be. something that has infiltrated politics.
I'm 51 years old, so that kind of makes me in the middle. I'm not real old, not real young, just kind of whatever I am, okay? There does seem to be a group of people in politics right now, and the theme of what they do is death.
Yeah. Jesus says, I came to give you life and give it abundantly. I mean, when one of the national conventions, their highlight, is that they kill 25 babies. I've got, I have some, I mean, I don't know.
I do, I have some friends that are Christians that align themselves to the Democratic Party right now. I would have a real hard time connecting those dots. Yeah.
With what they're proposing for children. I mean, there are places that are taking children away from parents because the parents don't agree with the transgender ideology. Yeah, I'm the same way.
Like, if you say you're truly or a Democrat, And you are a Christian. I just can't make the connection myself. It doesn't align. Maybe, yeah.
Yeah, and I'm not trying to question somebody's salvation, but there does seem to be this demonic. Death motif. Yeah.
It's not even covert anymore. It's just overt. So again, the answer is never going to be in the White House.
It's important. Voting is important. Politics are important.
We cannot remove ourselves from this world and say we're the light of the world. So those two things can't simultaneously happen. We do have to be involved. And we're not fighting to get our way.
We're fighting for the most vulnerable. We're fighting for the voiceless. Now, I have been to some meetings where some Christians are putting way too much hope in their politician. Sure.
And, bro, if you think the politician actually is there to serve you, then you don't know very many of them. Yeah. Read a history book.
Oh, my gosh, man. Our hope is in nothing less than Jesus'blood and righteousness. Yeah. Period. Politics is a means to an end of which we're trying to glorify God by taking care of the people that he died for.
There's this great Scottish proverb, for every mile of road, there's two miles of ditch. Well, it's kind of obvious to me how you can fall off the left into the ditch. And again, it's a pursuit of self-realization by self-indulgence, that my own self-actualization is the most real thing on the planet, as opposed to the one who created me. That's the ditch on the left. The ditch on the right is to think that we win if we vote in our people, and that is the solution.
It's never going to change until the hearts of men and women are changed. That's right. That's right. Hey, you have a new book run over by the Grace Train.
Yeah. It's available now anywhere books are sold, right? Yep. Okay. Can you tell us about it?
Yeah, I think grace is a very misunderstood doctrine in the church and especially in the world. And some people think they're too far gone. And so they can't receive grace. And if that's the case, they have no idea who Jesus is because there's more grace in Jesus than sin in you.
And then there's other people that thinks grace is just a license to do whatever you want. And if that's the case, then you don't know the grace of Jesus either. The reason I call it run over by a grace train is, Chad, if you were late to this podcast, I was like, hey, dude, it's nice to meet you, but where you been? You're like, well, I actually got run over by a freight train. I was like, I don't think you did, man, because your hair looks great.
And you still have both eyeballs and all your teeth and your limbs are all attached. And yet there are people that say that they've met Jesus and their lives aren't changed at all. So this is kind of an anti-cheap grace book. Yeah.
Because the grace of God is infinitely more powerful than any train that you would ever get run over by. And it's available, not just the book, but the grace of Jesus is available to anyone, anyone who would believe. I mean, look at you. You got a tattered past.
I do. Praise God. And now look, he's not done with you.
Nope. Yeah, me too. Me too. I got tattered. Past, present, and probably future.
And so the first two chapters about what grace is, Ephesians 2 and Romans 3, is where we unpack just theologically what grace is. And then basically the rest of the book is about how grace impacts our life. Like when Jesus runs into people in the Gospels and how it changes them. Like I was listening to you on the Sean Ryan show and you were talking about forgiving your dad. Yeah.
So there's a whole chapter on how to forgive. and how grace compels us to forgive. Forgiveness and reconciliation are not necessarily the same thing.
You also pointed that out when you were talking to Sean. But we are commanded to offer forgiveness because Jesus has forgiven us of all of our sin. And so the only reason we can do that is because of grace. There's the chapter on anger.
That can be an issue for a bunch of us dudes, right? So every strength has a big old shadow. And for all the guys that listen to your show, yeah, you tell them, man, we need strong men.
Yeah. And yet they can't keep their temper under control. That's not godly. You're not being strong the way Jesus was strong.
So there's a chapter on what grace says about your anger. There's a whole bunch on how grace can change your life. I love when Jesus goes into the temple. And everybody loves to quote about Jesus flipping the tables and stuff like that.
But he took time to intentionally make a whip. That's right. He didn't just pick up a whip.
He's probably weaving it like maybe gritting his teeth. I don't know. But he went in there and flipped over tables and created chaos. But there's a moment in that chaos scene that he opens a cage. to let these birds out.
That was control. That's the difference. There's a difference between reaction based on emotion and a response in obedience to the glory of God. Yeah.
In Ephesians, it says we are to be slow to anger. Not no anger. No anger is just as sinful as explosive anger.
Like if there's some things in the world right now that don't, dude, I didn't know. When we pulled out of Afghanistan, I mean, what do I know? I don't know anything. I pastor the church.
I watch the news. I'm like, that looks terrible. Man, I'm listening to you interview these guys, and we're hanging them out to dry.
These guys served our country at great risk to their life. And then as a country, we just say, well, good luck with the Taliban. If that doesn't piss you off.
You might not know Jesus. Yeah. Because injustice made him angry. So there should be some things that make you angry. So it's not no anger, but it's not blow up anger either, where you just explode based on your emotion.
He responded in accordance with God's justice. And so there should be some things that make you really, really angry. Like people mutilating physically healthy teenagers because they're a little bit confused about their bodies right now.
Dude, if that doesn't make you angry, you might want to check yourself. Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that. One of the things in Afghanistan that makes me really angry right now is, I don't know if you're aware, but at post-withdrawal, we're giving the Taliban $40 to $87 million a week. I've heard you say that.
See, here's, all right, so here's why you've got to keep doing what you're doing. We don't know these things. Yeah, yeah.
This doesn't come on regular news. It won't come on the news. That's why these shows are so important. I know, I know.
So important. Because. We don't have a network telling us what we can or can't say.
Praise God. We just care about the truth. And that's why we're listening to this more than any of the old news stations ever. Honestly, this is the reason that I'm doing it.
I think when your interpreter started talking about what life in the Taliban is like, if that doesn't open people's eyes. You have 20 million women and little girls there, as young as nine years old, being sexually enslaved and being raped every single day. No one's speaking up about it. I don't know what makes me more angry, the fact that it's happening, and the fact that no one's speaking up about it. Yeah, that should be the lead story on the news every day, right?
The amount of people starving to death, the amount of children being trafficked. That should be the lead story on the news every single day. Funded by U.S. tax dollars.
Right, and instead it's like how much our gas is. Look, and I've got thoughts about this stuff, but compared to, I mean, listen, man, there's some kids crying out right now, God, if you're real, will you please help me? Yes.
Right now, and I'm telling you, if that was my kid, I have a 14-year-old daughter, man. And I would walk through fire to save that little girl. And that is somebody's little girl out there.
Yeah. And we have to do whatever it takes. When we were doing the Afghanistan evac, we had rescued his wife and kids, and we had 17,000 people out. I heard.
And so myself and Dennis Price were flying to Tajikistan. We were going to go to Tajikistan and literally go swim in Afghanistan across the Panjshir River and build routes out for the women and little girls. And we were doing that. My wife was driving me to the airport. We got an argument and the argument was based on her fear.
She's like, why are you doing this? You're going to swim across the river. I'm like, no, I would never swim across the river. She's like, you're going to and you're pushing this too far.
And the only thing I knew how to tell her in that moment, because I was so burdened, was this. What if it was us? What if it was our sons that'd be forced into madrasas?
What if it was our daughter Haley that would be sexually enslaved and raped every single day the rest of her life? Wouldn't we be praying somewhere, somehow someone would come help? I know I would be.
And not just a someone, a guy with your skill set. Yeah, someone that got equipped and called. Is this the one your son went and like, or was that Ukraine? That was Ukraine. Dude, that's epic too.
Yeah. I can't imagine. I mean, that's like Braveheart stuff.
We just put that book together. Your dad and your son. Yeah, we put the book together, A Mission Without Borders, and I'll make sure you get a copy.
I should have brought it with me, but it was an incredible experience. But in that moment, driving to the airport, I was just telling my wife that, and I felt God was burning my heart and opening those doors, and I wouldn't have kept going if she was, but I'm like, this could be us. And, you know, somewhere out there, there's some little nine-year-old girl.
That's right. I just got picked up by a 50-year-old Taliban fighter. And she's just praying for someone, God said someone to come help.
And so we had to go. And in that moment, your wife was doing what she was supposed to be doing too. Yeah.
She was trying to help. She was trying to help. And she was scared, of course. Of course. And she loves you and she's for you and she's trying to protect her house and all of those things.
And that's what I mean. See, in that moment, you caught at a fight. You were actually complimenting one another.
She was like, baby, I'm on this planet to keep you alive and to keep our children alive and to keep our house safe. Have some common sense in it. And then, right, and you're like, I appreciate it, but I got to lead in this moment.
Yeah. For the sake of not just us, but some other people. So guys like me appreciate it, man. Well, I appreciate the opportunity to get to do it because, you know, God burned my heart to do it. But he used some incredible people to allow us to be able to do it and support.
And it was just incredible. But it takes a leader. Trust me.
I lead a... I lead a... thing.
I mean, this is a real movement of God here. And something an older pastor told me one time, because, you know, our church got, we were reaching a lot of people, a lot of people getting saved early and you kind of get these accolades and stuff. And this, this, a guy named Wayne Cordera, he wrote a book called Leading on Empty.
He pastors a big old church in Hawaii. It's awesome. And he was asking me about the church and I was just kind of hemming and hawing and be like, you know, I'm just a nobody and I, you know, whatever.
I can't believe I get to do this. And all these things are true. And he put his hand on my shoulder and quoted a verse out of 2 Chronicles about David knew that God had anointed him king over Israel. And he looked at me and he said, and I would say this to you, Chad, don't ever apologize for the Lord's anointing. Just walk in it.
Because when you do that, you don't walk with a swagger or a limp. You just do the thing God had told you to do. And if it goes good, cool. And if it doesn't go good, it's not your fault.
God told you to do it. I think the best advice in the whole Bible is John 2, 5. Jesus is at the wedding of Cana. They run out of wine.
His mom comes to him, says, hey, bud, they're out of wine. He's like, it's not my time yet. And then she gets the servants together.
Jesus is standing right there. And here's the best advice in the Bible. Mary looks at the servants and points at Jesus and says this.
Do whatever he tells you to do. So he told me to plant a church. And he told you to go rescue 17,000 people in Sarkmighty Oaks. And I think if we tried to switch spots, it'd be rough.
I don't know if you'd pastor a church. And I definitely wouldn't be. I would love to go, by the way. I would love to go on something.
If there's a way I can serve, you let me know and I will go. But you do what Jesus told you to do. And if everybody listening would simply do that, do whatever Jesus tells you to do, it will be okay.
I would love to pastor a church, especially a church this size, but until the next Sunday came around. I'd do it for a week, but when you got to do it every week consecutively, I don't know if I'd want to do it. That's funny. I mean, I know ministry would be really, really easy if it wasn't for people.
That is a fact. A lot of people. That is a fact.
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I don't know if you've wore gaiters before. I have. Okay. They're awesome. They're the best.
Yep. And I don't have any with me, but I'm going to get you some BioPro. We're going to mail it out to you.
Okay. This company is out of Florida. It's just incredible.
I know you work out. It's a great supplement. Let's go. It's all natural. It's all natural, non-synthetic for your HGH levels.
Dude, that's awesome. Man, it took me from four hours of sleep a night to nine hours of sleep a night like that. It's incredible.
And so I'm a big believer of it. Yeah, I'm all in. So. I'll get it over to you.
And when you get that lever action, we're going to go out and kill some pigs. No doubt. Yeah, I hope this is the beginning of a new friendship, man.
Absolutely, man. I like to surround myself with people just like you. And so I'm pumped to do more together.
I think it's just the beginning. Yeah, man. Honor to meet you.
Honor to meet you. God bless. Thanks. Hey, guys.
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