hello and welcome back to the channel thank you for joining me in another of my interviews today I'm in the kitchen with the lovely Julia and our special guest Dr Sarah myhill hello can we call you Sarah of course you can thank you for welcoming me this is a lovely place oh thank you so much we wanted to have you come around we were so Keen to talk to you because we'd seen some YouTube videos that you appeared in a few years ago um probably during that rather awful time that we've all lived through and we were so taken away with some of the simple remedies that you had for just dealing with ordinary or perhaps not so ordinary um infections and problems like that and then we knew we were going to meet you at the better way conference which we did so we were able to sort of tackle you there I think I tackled you actually care for you all day and I saw you coming in I was like so so yeah so we've done a little bit of Investigation on on who you are and what you do and we're thoroughly impressed and one of the things we've both went out and purchased are these which I can't remember what they're actually called now they're salt pipes but we have a our own little somewhat silly name because we call them snoods snoot pipes perfect and they're full of Himalayan salt but we put in oh I didn't bring it on the table but we put in the iodine iodine a couple of drops of that and we do all that lovely fantastic so could you tell us why and what's that's about because we understand that but we we want to really share that well something I've been using for some time but it I became aware this is going to be a very useful treatment for any viral infection the iodine is volatile so use lugozardine which uh comes up in into the atmosphere and when we sniff it uh we get a therapeutic dose because 10 parts per million contact kills or microbes wow nothing um is resistant to iodine and in a volatile form which can be easily applied that's going to massively reduce the loading dose of any infection because what determines the severity of an infection is not just the immune defense of the body which of course are critical but also the loading dose and if you can get the loading dose low that means the number of microbes as they're breeding the body breed build up very slowly and therefore the immune system can get ahead of the game wow okay and and the the what's the the salt itself doing that's just a delivery mechanism now that's carried on the no there's a little bit of salt carried but this was the SALT pipe was developed by a Polish uh Doctor Who noticed that the miners working in the coal mines had terrible lungs and the mind is working the salt mines had great lung function and so we used to use the salt pipe to help the miners in the in the um coal mines right but uh what makes it really work brilliantly well and it's been long recognized the treatment for asthma for example sniffing salt and part of the reasons why asthmatics often feel better living on the coast is because yeah there's salt in the air and salt slightly breaks down liquefies secretions and mucus so it's easier to cough up but the iodine is so important because of its anti-microbial properties and the point is when somebody has an acute infection initially you don't know is the virus you know is it a bacteria what sort of viruses is it fungal you don't know but it doesn't matter with Rd it contact kills the lot right and I now have five patients with chronic obstructive Airways disease bronchitis and those patients normally go from one dose of antibiotic and they're a bit better and then they get sick and then another dose for antibiotics now by Dental putting in place all the regimes that we're going to talk about the diet supplements the vitamin C and sniffing the iodine their need for antibiotics has dropped to zero wow and they are now well looked up and they're now confident they're going to live to a great age because in fact there's one lady when she was 60 I've been seeing it from she's from Mansfield uh she was told by her GP she'd only got six months to live would I ever tell anybody that of course never and I said to at the time Margaret that is nonsense and by doing all this stuff she's now in her mid-80s and functioning behind oh that is incredible it's cheap cheerful simple medicine and is there any risk with iodine can you take too much of it virtually impossible because iodine is not well stored in the body and it's all too easily excreased in urine and throughout the world we are all deficient it is iodine deficiency is the single most common cause of mental retardation or mental deficiency or intellectual impairment in the world oh really it's massive it's vital for our immune systems yeah so I mean my father had dementia and he I and I was trying to work out what that might be and as he and his partner got older they were doing more sort of Supermarket dinners and things like that and I thought well maybe it's they're just not getting the right minerals and all of that um but they he did take a few simple supplements like um vitamin B I thought but I was not aware that no iodine and all of those sort of things so well I did is part of the story there's a lovely website set up by Patrick Halford called food for the brain and uh he has developed a fantastic research program with lots of good professors on board and essentially dementia is 99 preventable pieces can be completely prevented through a combination of low carbohydrate diet B vitamins and sorting out your homocysteine and taking fish oils they are the three key things wow get all that in place your risk of dementia can be predicted in your 30s female homocysteine level homocysteine is a mark of poor methylation and without methylation you can't make neurotransmitters you can't heal and repair it's a vital biochemical tool and it tends to increase with age so I can reverse dementia with simple nutritional interventions that cost very little wow that that I mean that's I mean you know the amount of care homes that we have where we are in Worthing and the amount of people that are going into them and you think just from what you've just said that all can be preventable I mean one can't help feeling that there might be a business incentive along these lines but I didn't say that of course um the other thing that you were mentioning in in these early videos um was salt and it's important and and one of the things of course that we've been told time and time again through the mainstream media is salt is bad for you and yet if you think back to our history we used to eat loads of fish which must have had salt in it because correct and um and and what I found actually quite interesting was living in a Seaside town in a in a Victorian Seaside town and some of these other Georgian Seaside towns people went here to take the sea air but they used to drink a pint of sea water and everyone thought that was barking but now I'm beginning to realize that the reason behind all of that well um you're absolutely right and on I mean the first trade um in primitive uh uh England imprinted Britain was the sole trade yes and of course you know Roman salaries that weren't worth were paid insult you know if Roman soldiers were paid insult and if they weren't up to um their their grade they were considered to be below the salt so salt is an absolute essential the problem is it tastes delicious obviously we have taste buds for salt and processed food is is full of salt try to give it some flavor but people doing a Paleo ketogenic diet which is the evolutionary correct art do need that extra salt but there's another problem with modern diets and that's because of modern agriculture and essentially there is a one movement of minerals from the soil into plants into animals into us and we throw it away so our all our soils are becoming deficient in minerals by which I mean calcium magnesium potassium zinc complex leaning chromium you know Boron molybdenum and so on and um and that's a long list it's a long list and they are all essential for um mammal metabolism we all need those minerals a difference in any one of those will result in disease so um as part of my basic workup for treating absolutely anybody yes we need to repay the ketogenic diet but we also need to take some nutritional supplements now all most of my patients are not wealthy people I want to provide them with interventions that are cheap affordable sustainable and can be applied to the whole family so I decided to I and I looked at the market and I couldn't find a mineral preparation on the market that had all the minerals in that I wanted to see in a form that's notable um in decent Doses and in the correct proportion so I decided to make my own right and I started off making this with a concrete mixer in my kitchen oh my goodness ordering you know minerals from Celtic chemicals and making up the mixes and then when the demand got high then of course I sourced it out but the sunshine salt it's it's four-fifths salt which is I use mold and sea salt which is my favorite which is delicious but all the rest is made up of these essential minerals so by dinner taking the sunshine salt you can get good dose of calcium magnesium potassium zinc copper selenium cream and Bone molybdenum and I also put a healthy dollop of vitamin D in there or 5000 vitamin D and 5 000 milligram micrograms of vitamin B12 in the methylated form because everybody is deficient and both those vitamins are heat soluble so you can cook with this you can put it in your um paleo keto bread you can put it in your French dressing you can sprinkle on your food it tastes delicious I apologize I haven't bought a bottle today about today for you um but it's a very good way of of replacing minerals um um in a very inexpensive form and all of those will be on you've got a website yeah so we'll put that in the description because I'm sure people will well I'm sure people will be interested you know it's very cheap I pretty much do it at Cost so a large pot costs 15 pounds I looked into the business and marketing it through one of the supermarkets and when they said Oh by the time we promote to this and spent money on Advertising it'll get about 35 pounds and I said no way Jose I'll just keep it low input low output and because it's got to be affordable for people who are sick and need it so one of the things we we do with the because we're using Celtic Sea salt um tend to try and get about half a teaspoon of that into us a day and we take a pinch and put it with water because I watched this Australian lady whose name I can't remember off the top of my head who was saying half the time when you drink water it goes straight through it's not getting into the cell but the salt is what helps it get in that's absolutely right there's a chapter about this in the cookbook because if we go back to O Level biology um and remember that word osmosis to hold water in cells we need um good quality of cell membranes and we need salt and we need water so to be properly hydrated yes we need all those three things and most people are horribly deficient in fats and oils and efficient in in salts as well in fact uh the worst nourished people I've seen are those who think it's a good idea to drink three or four liters of water a day and they drink it and they drink it and they drink it well you can drink pure water but you cannot pee pure water and you will simply wash out the minerals in your body and render yourself markedly deficiently yes that's fascinating I've never thought about it no and because we filter our water and we said well of course you're filtering out all everything out of that so you need to replenish all of those things which is why we use the salt we use the salt and we take some supplements from our friend Clyde to Carl magnesium we also actually do two drops of um iodine in water lesser and better and so we take that and and a number of others that he he has so um we're doing the best we can the other thing just to finish on on those videos that introduce us to you was the the vitamin C yes and I was fascinated really to know that and there's that lovely term that we we enjoy um that you can if you should have a certain amount every day anyway but this the hint of a a a virus or something like that you take a hell of a lot more correct and you know when you've had too much because you end up with the squids correct correct but you don't have to do that to get on the right dose immediately right so um uh the reason that we have to take such big doses of Vitamin C is because we are one of the only mammals that can't make its own vitamin C right so my little dog Nancy who lives on a carnivore diet she can generate her own vitamin C goats well all other mammals effectively and when they are ill they will generate up to maybe 15 000 milligrams or maybe 20 000 milligrams of Vitamin C to deal with that infection and we don't do that we can't do that we lost that ability you know um uh some millions of years ago in evolution so we do need Vitamin C and we need it in gram amounts now the recommended daily amount which is 30 milligrams might stop you from getting scurvy but it is not sufficient for optimal biochemical and immunological performance so my view is we should all take about a teaspoon of Vitamin C powder day which is about five grams and when you get the dose right you should have no gut symptoms whatsoever issues arise with an acute infection and it doesn't matter what that acute infection is and this was late worked out by Robert Cathcart Frederick planner who literally treated thousands of people with vitamin C with a whole range of infectious diseases because there is a time element when we get infected with something and 90 of infections end up in the stomach either because we inhale them sticky mucus coughed up and swallowed or because we drink them all because we eat them right so we want that big dose of vitamin C in the stomach because vitamin C like iodine contact kills or microbes and if you get a big infectious dose of something and it might be a food or a virus or whatever then it will grow very rapidly in the body and so we want to kill it as fast as we possibly can so I recommend people take 10 at the first hint of any infection it doesn't matter what that hint is again one of my favorite quotes is Frederick planner you know in the event of any infection take large dose of vitamin C whilst The Physician Ponders the diagnosis right don't wait get on with it so 10 grams of vitamin C 2 teaspoons in maybe half a pint of water drunk back every hour every hour every hour now you might think oh gosh that's a big dose but you'll soon quickly work out if you've arrived at it because the nastier the viral infection like a severe flu or covered in the early days or Epstein-Barr virus some people need 100 or 150 grams or 200 grams every 24 hours before they get to Belfort and to get rid of the virus I'd heard that you can put vitamin C into the body via a drip you can but that's just not necessary right I mean who has access to intravenous visibility yes I mean you wouldn't want to do that you're absolutely right and this is work um that's done by Paul Merrick who ran a uh an I.T a special Care Center in America specifically for people with septicemia and serious infectious disease the prognosis was septicemia is 40 will die even with the best care steroids um antibiotics oxygen the works when he started adding vitamin C into his regimes the mortality dropped below one percent good good and he makes the point and he's quite right that most people if when they well every person when they die with an infectious disease they're dying from scurvy they simply don't have the vitamin C um to fight the infection people think that you get enough vitamin C if you have an orange or a lemon or you know citrus fruit I I understand that's not actually true it's enough to stop you from getting scurvy but it is not sufficient for your best you know possible Health your your most robust immune system your best biochemistry so um as I say they won't get scurvy and we know that from uh experience of the in the ships Nelson's time but that is not sufficient um in the modern world right so you got to get yourself a joke you've got to get yourself a job back and thankfully it's cheap you know and I specialize in interventions which are inexpensive safe multitasking potential Farm virtue zero not needed on prescription accessible to all and they should become Incorporated in your everyday life so there's something very rare about Dr Sarah myhill who is firstly rare for us to have such an eminent guest here but but the other thing is that um you you said right at the beginning about your patients you ask them what their diet was and my experience going to doctors with the children when they were younger or indeed in my case is that's not a question that's asked it's straight to the symptoms and then it's straight to a very quick piece of system suppressing medication yeah correct I mean you know sometimes I have to say I'm ashamed to be a member of the medical profession because they are not asking the question why and that's that's what everyone's know I mean I qualified in 1981 when straight into general practice and um thought I knew it all you know recently education and you know my patients kind of saying you know why have I got migraine you know why have I got arthritis and I had to admit I didn't know I didn't have a clue no and but you could give them a drug I could give them a drug but they knew symptoms depression they knew it was short-term gain long-term pain and they knew that they'd get be on one drug and then another of the side effects of that another side effects of that until they get got some devastating illness so drugs are not the solution the problem with the drug companies is the first lot of drugs that came up which were the antibiotics were magical I wouldn't want to practice medicine without you know antibiotics and antimicrobials they are fantastically useful drugs but then it's been downhill ever since yes but people now want the Magic Bullet they want the quick easy way to a result not the you've got to change the diet you've got to take these supplements you've got to be disciplined about your sleep you've got to take more exercise you've got to lose weight or whatever all the simple stuff that we all know it's so obvious that that's got to be the way forward and talking about changing your diet we we now come on to your you've got a series of books out and you're very much into and I'm going to make sure I pronounce this correctly paleo ketogenic and um I have to say I've not been anybody who's followed any specific diet because I've always heard from people who say oh I've tried this diet and that didn't work you know and I've gone through like I suppose you know members of family have gone through different diets and they've they've all ended up back where they were for some reason so I've been slightly nervous about different diets we generally in more recent times just eat moderately we we got off bread mostly any bread great start I make myself but I I now Source Heritage grains and it's very occasional it's much heavier stuff so one slice feels it fills you up for a start we've got so I mean I can't remember the last time I made Alone um but I do you know it is a useful bit of bread with a nugget of cheese and I know cheese is better yeah but you know it's a useful carrier for something as long as you're not having it every day or going to these Dreadful mother's Pride type bread that is the Charlie the Charlie wood process that's just got nothing in it and of course that Dreadful White Modern wheat that's rolled rather than stone ground all of the um so could you tell us a little bit about we've got your books here we may as well flash them up on the screen um where whichever whichever camera is the best I will put a list on the on the thing can you tell us what the advantage is and and where it sort of stencil whenever I have a difficult question in medicine or lifestyle or whatever I always go back to First principles and that's evolutionary biology and we have to ask ourselves what diet did primitive woman evolve consuming and the answer is she ate a Paleo ketogenic diet paleo because there was no dairy products and there were no gluten grains and Keystone it because it was it was necessarily low in carbohydrates it was meat fish eggs and very high in fiber now in the Autumn there would have been um a bonanza it would have been a windfall of free food fruit nuts seeds grains and she would have eaten them and she'd have eaten them in an addictive way which meant because the thing about sugars and carbohydrates is we eat them we can't stop eating addictive and she's got fat and that survival value for the winter because people used to die in the winter from starvation and the fatter you can become in the Autumn the better able you are to survive that winter is you've got the more reserves you've got correct now to in order to make primitive woman uh eat an addictive way we we develop carbohydrate addiction we have a carbohydrate addiction Gene that's switched on by eating lots of sugars and carbohydrates so when the banana tree ripened we'd eat bananas and eat bananas and eat bananas until we got fat you know ditto nuts ditto seeds so so but of course when autumn came to an end those Foods were no longer present and so the carbohydrate addiction Gene ceased and was switched off simply because you had to yes but now we live in a in a a period of time where those foods are available all year round the gene is never switched off and so we continue to eat like that all year round hence our Western epidemics of obesity and hypertension and cancer and dementia and heart disease which are all carbohydrate driven pathologists so it's not a no carbohydrate diet it's a low carbohydrate diet essentially we should be fueling our body with fat and with fiber they are the the Staples the protein content is the same and yes there are some carbohydrates and the way I like people to do it is to test if they're in ketosis with a breath meter and if you're in ketosis that tells us your fat burning once a day then I'm a happy bunny now some people are very Physically Active will need some carbohydrates to power that but as long as they're burning it off as fast as they're consuming it that's totally acceptable right but of course I tend to deal with people who are sick who don't have any energy uh who aren't burning off their carbohydrates and therefore their diet has necessary to be low in carbohydrates in order to achieve that state of ketosis once a day so what foods natural foods rather than the processed stuff is carbohydrates that we we ought to avoid too much of well it's grains or they're all high in carbohydrates it's fruits which are many are very high in sugar it some pulses a bit high in carbide root vegetables of course potato and parsnip now that doesn't mean I eat no potatoes I adore potatoes I'm a gardener I grow them but what I do is I parboil them let them cool down and then you get a resistant starch and then I fry them in my in fat coconut oil or pig fat or whatever and I make the most delicious chips in the world but then we're going to come over to your places they're hugely satisfying and so I only need three or four right and and I feel full it satisfies and that's all I need ah okay because I was I was worried about potatoes because people said oh yes you know that there you can't have those we love our potatoes and we do love potatoes and of course they are very much a staple of a lot of people's correct food and you think what do you do to replace all of that it it presumably it's quite a hard task to go from let's say an average meat and two veg type thing um which may or may not be meat and two veg that's actually Farm shop or um organic or actually got the minerals in it it may be just your Supermarket meat into veg or whatever or pastas and things like that which is a grain of course to go to your diet so what steps do you say to people to get there well it depends how ill they are right uh so um there's a second reason for doing this diet which is allergy because allergic symptoms are common asthma chronic rhinitis irritable bowel syndrome inflammatory bowel disease arthritis these are all allergy driven conditions and uh so and the major allergens of the dairy products and the gluten grains so they're usually not too difficult to cut out I mean dairy products there are lots of fantastic Dairy substitutes um so I mean when I I'm Dairy alerting myself and so I love that must help because I love cheese well cheese is well if you are absolutely certain that you are not dairy allergic and that's another story then the safest Dairy to eat is butter and cheese in moderation would be fine the most dangerous dairy product you consume is semi-skimmed milk ah why because it's high in sugar and it's high in protein and and this the safest bit of dairy product is the fat it's low in fat so um so butter is absolutely fine and and totally desirable for Paleo ketogenic diet and of course if you again if you're not allergic to Dairy then occasional consumption is fine right but when it comes a staple then there are problems because we know high levels of dairy consumption is a risk factor for cancer but heart disease and osteoporosis and we can do without those three nasty and cream well that's high in fat so that gets the thumbs up and it's difficult to have a lot of cream yes but again it still has the protein in there which is growth promoting and makes for sticky blood um so it's you know occasional is fine yeah but my problem is I'm an addict and one of the interesting things about allergy and addiction is there two sides of the same coin and if I'm trying to diagnose what somebody is allergic to very often if I ask them what they have for breakfast that gives the game away and they say yes I like Weetabix with lots of milk on oh it's going to be we can we eat some milk isn't it oh it's a big glass of orange juice well it's going to be sugar and if it's oh I can't get going without two pints of coffee then it's going to be coffee so um if I have a little bit of cream you know I want it all now thankfully coconut cream is an identical fat as succulent and as delicious but doesn't have the problem with growth promoters so if I want a cream substitute I use coconut cream and it's absolutely divine all right we'll have to we'll have to look into that I'll bring you some hopefully so yes so years ago got off cereals um do occasionally in the winter have porridge which of course is oats and milk so presumably you'll see not too much of that in in the Paleo ketogenic cookbook there are some Alternatives and the the perfect grain is linseed because linseed is only two percent carbohydrate and it's high in fiber and in the PK cookbook there are recipes where you can make a very acceptable linseed bread we've watched a video of yours that's by Delia it's very precise measurements correct and the blender don't worry I got it every morning about six months and experimented with different this and that and eggs and I wanted something um for my patients who don't have the time the energy or the inclination it had to be very simple so now I make linseed bread very regularly and there's also a recipe in there for linseed porridge or for linseed based muesi which is low carb and in and with the coconut milk and it's got that succulents that smoothness it's absolutely delicious so one of the things that I wanted to sort of touch base on you then is we've talked about health in general sort of physical health and eating one of the things I found by eating more holistically and Wholesome foods is the mind is clearer less foggy and sorry about the Flies um and also that sort of sense of our spirituality and things like that which a lot of people are now openly and happily talking about which is which is really great so could you just tell us how food also clears clears your mind and your your indeed yeah well personally it's the gut absolutely absolutely that's what we're coming to I'm afraid but um uh one of the problems with high carbohydrate and high sugar diets is you overwhelm the ability of the upper gut to become sterile now the human gut is is almost unique in the mammal world because the upper guard is a sterile digesting gut to deal with meat and fat that's the first 20 odd foot of our gut the lower gut the last three foot that's where the microbiome is that's where we deal with fiber now if you eat a lot of carbohydrates and sugars you overwhelm the ability of the upper gut to be sterile and the bacteria and the yeast move in you end up with a fermenting gut an upper fermenting gut now that creates a whole heap of problems and number one is you ferment sugars to produce alcohol Del lactate hydrogen sulfide ammonica compounds and these all poison the brain and that is the major source of the foggy brain it's called it's also called the auto Brewery syndrome and this is written up in a paper published in the journal nutritional medicine in the 1990s where um it was Stephen Davis and John McLaren hard they measured levels of sugar and alcohol in the bloodstream before and after a sugar load and the alcohol levels rose up quite markedly the highest result was 19 milligrams per deciliter which is not far off drunk driving so yes you get a foggy brain so people having a glass of orange juice for breakfast you know will be slightly inebriated by nine or ten o'clock in the morning wow there you go oh there we are well thank you for that um I want to ask um a question that came in from one of our audience because they heard that you were coming in and they said would you mind so here is here is the question doctor a doctor diagnosed me to him in 1998 after six months of glandular fever and offered no medical advice whatsoever on how to treat it thank you for the work that you do for giving people like him hope and a vision of a better life ahead and thank you for giving me my life back and and he's gone out and bought one of your books he started keto on June the first this year at 18 Stone today his 17 stone three pounds so where are we um about a month and yeah should I stay away from carbs I think you sort of mentioned that now EG root vegetables for good or can I introduce a small amount in meals which you've sort of covered um for breakfast I'm cooking in raw milk butter directly from the farm but I'm worried about the amount of bacon when thinking about a report a few years ago which stated that bacon can be carcinogenic what is your typical main meal um and that's his questions well bacon is only carcinogenic if the nitrites are in there are fermented in the upper Gap to nitrosamines so vitamin C stops that right and so it's a low carb diet so I lots of bacon I love salami um I love processed Meats have no concerns with that whatsoever right so he's done an absolutely brilliant job uh and early on you said he'd been diagnosed with me again this is one of the things that drive me nuts with the medical profession because Emmy is not a diagnosis it's a clinical picture a diagnosis gives you the reason why they've got that so somebody might have a clinical picture of a pneumonia but the actual diagnosis will be a pneumococcal pneumonia requiring this antibiotic or whatever Emmy is not a diagnosis it's a clinical picture and it's a clinical picture characterized by poor Energy Delivery mechanisms and inflammation and in his case his inflammation is driven by Epstein-Barr virus now if and this is a very common way that Emmy presents I should think about a fifth of the patients who come and see me it's um interestingly often starts with their reality and recurrent tonsillitis and then they get their Epstein-Barr virus and then that switches them into their me so we have to tease that apart and and um he's done a great job because the starting point is always to improve Energy Delivery mechanisms because if you can improve Energy Delivery mechanisms then suddenly the immune system's got the energy that it needs to fight the virus right and you know I'm very mindful I've got lots of people with Epstein part driven illness well by paying no attention to antimicrobials to reduce the load of Epstein barbares simply by improving Energy Delivery mechanisms and the preferred fuel of the immune system are ketones that's what it likes to run on and so you're going to massively improve your immune function simply by doing a ketogenic diet and his other question was what is your main or your I suppose your go-to meal well these days I tend I'm allowed to change my mind of course and as we age we all have to toughen up on our regimes we know we all know it's a war we're going to lose but if I lose it when I'm 120 then I'll settle for that that sounds perfectly reasonable to me so at the moment I intermittent fast so at lunch time I usually have two eggs and then I've got ducks in the garden so it's duck eggs with a couple of slice of my keto bread and then my evening meal at the moment I've got artichokes in the garden I have that with French dressing and then I have meat I have my own pigs and I do swapses locally for beef and lamb so it'll be a stew whatever with yes my roast my lovely roasted potatoes and I've got French beans at the moment and some salad and then my pudding is always the same it's berries from the deep freeze and again I'm lucky I'm a gardener so it's full of gooseberries and black brisen black currants and so on with a dollar for my um coconut cream nut cream and guess what that takes 30 seconds to prepare Mike because I just take it out deep freeze put the coconut cream in mix it round the coconut cream goes slightly solid the berries get slightly softer so you end up with an ice cream effectively wow so I'll have ice cream for pudding every evening good gracious there you go I know you're incredibly slim not overweight and um radiant and healthy it takes you 30 seconds to eat it oh and well again I'm a greedy Pig but eat things slowly that helps with the addiction side of things because the interesting thing about addiction is it's not the total dose of of addiction that you have that gives you um the hit it's the rate of increase so the reason that the heroin addicts inject intravenously is because they like that hit when things come up very quickly the reason the alcoholics like to drink very quickly on an empty stomach is because alcohol is rapidly absorbed and you get that hit to the brain right so and it's the same sugar and carbohydrates if you gobble your food if you eat quickly you get a rapid rise in blood sugar and that's the addictive hit that we're looking for and as I said I'm an addict I could happily be an addict so these days I deliberately make myself eat more slow that's that's so interesting because Julia will attest to how I usually very rapidly and because of that I'd was not so much now because I think my stomach has shrunk as they say weather really shrinks I don't know how that that's true or not but I eat less now or fewer big meals whereas before but because I was eating rapidly you'd still go oh you know I can eat seconds and thirds because I didn't feel but I found that eating more slowly I actually get full up or even if I finished and I think oh I could eat some more I found myself saying no just wait a minute and see in a few minutes whether you do want to eat more yeah and then I go actually no I'm I am replete and also the business of chewing food is so important for the gut there is a wonderful character called Horace Fletcher who has dubbed the great masticator and he uh uh uh had great success treating people with digestive disorders just by telling to chew their food and to eat slowly and as Gandhi said you know we should swallow our liquids and we should chew our liquids and drink our solids I.E choo choo choo until everything goes under the liquid and The Business of chewing stimulates gut motility it stimulates uh production of stomach acid pancreatic enzymes of you know it's it gets the whole gut lined up and The Business of digestion starts in the mouth we don't just um digest starches in the mouth we digest proteins and fats as well from the from the enzymes from amylase so chewing food is really really important and it it's we're better at digesting and therefore there's less chance of foods being fermented because they're more quickly absorbed so chewing is really important just goes to show doesn't it it is it it all comes back to the most simplest things we've over complicated so much of what we do in this modern world correct and and our so-called sophisticated and intelligent ways of doing things very much is is a mask really to what is I'm a great advocate of the kiss principle keep it simple stupid yeah and the basic things have done really well get you an awful long way there now I see lots of people um for all sorts of reasons um but most of them are fatigue syndrome and I've had many who've come to me and they've they've been diagnosed with I've got Lyme disease I've diagnosed with that sunbar and they've gone to America and they had the intravenous antibiotics and they had all these polluting treatments and they are no better and the reason is they haven't put the basic stuff in place because the starting point to treat any infection is to stop feeding sugar yes bacteria and yeast can only run on sugars and carbohydrates and viruses love them too diabetics for example often present with an infection a recurrent chest infections or skin infections you're currently urinary tract infections why because they're oozing sugar into their lungs and their skin and their urinary tract and feed the infection so the starting point for any chronic disease and and I wrote a book called The Infection game and the nice thing about reading books writing books it really makes you research your subject well and I couldn't find a pathology I couldn't find a cancer or a heart disease or a dementia that didn't have an infectious associate and it may well be that part of the mechanism by which sugars and carbohydrates drive all these pathologies is they encourage these bacteria these viruses these yeast which are associated with and possibly causal in the case of cancers and heart diseases and whatever so sugar and carbohydrates really are the big bad guy and that is absolutely the starting point to treat anything and everything I do remember a book called the um Pure White and simple and yeah I forget the name of the doctor yeah that's it yes yes and that came out in something like the 70s and and I've got a reprint of it on on my shelf and uh I read a bit of that back in the seven and that was it for me and I got off sugar and took it out my tea and all those sort of things it didn't stop me eating chocolate bars and I and I had this one thing where I used to go off to I used to do regular extra work on the bill and Tim's television the bill for a period of my life every time I filled up with petrol I would buy a bar of chocolate which I think is what a lot of people do still yes indeed and over time I realized how much weight I was putting on not gross weight but just significant and I came to the conclusion it had to be the chocolate and I stopped that and it all fell off found the biggest surprise and then Julia told me that she thought I was wasting away was a couple of years ago when I stopped eating bread wow and and within a couple of months yeah right down you thought I was going to disappear down the drain pipe I wasn't I was quite worried so there you go sugar and carbohydrates and and and you obviously swap for chocolate which is obviously not so good but I have one girl who decided to swap it for fruit she thought fruit was the healthy alternative and she became a fruit-a-holic and she presented to her Physicians she had she developed abscesses in her armpit that then grew and grew and grew until she had these huge carbuncles there and she'd had endless antibiotics um intrinsic antibiotics surgery until they dare not operate more for fear of damaging the brachial plexus and at that point she came to me nobody had asked about her diet she was eating lots of fruit fruit juice and sugar and I said to we're going to stop all that so keto diet obviously and that's it and paint that area with ID neat little sardine twice it keep it stained yellow now she came in the August it was just before I was going around my long distance ride by the um Christmas her auxili has entirely healed with no antibiotics just simple keto diet vitamin C and a painting lots of ardene and that was miraculous because she thought she was going to lose her arm good God but they are ladies and gentlemen this lady is a Marvel and thank you so much for coming and and talking to us we're so uh blessed to have stumbled across those videos with the old Snoop pipes which so please fantastic and then the sunshine sugar that Sugar what am I saying salt which we should go and uh and buy something and um and of course your wonderful books of vitamin C so we hope that people have got something out of this uh incredible conversation thank you for coming here to visit us and thank you for everything you've done at this point my pleasure and at some point it would be lovely to come and see your farm and your pigs and see it and see all of that it would be fantastic we've made such interesting contexts and friends now through the the um this weird time that we've come in and in and we've said this so many times now that actually you know it's although it was a bad thing in a way it's been a way wake up call for a lot of people to improve their health and think about where they want to be in life so Dr Sarah my health thank you so much my pleasure you're a delight to talk to both of you so there we go had more to speak about it just to absorb it all in um so there we go I will be back with more interviews monologues and all of that and occasionally lovely Julia will be there to join us on the English couple our sort of sisters station but from our special guest today Dr Sarah myhill do check out the website and the links which we'll put there from all of us until next time goodbye [Laughter]