um just tell me a little bit about kind of your background what you do as a doctor so historically I was just your uh average internist that basically tried to care for people i also owned a lot of my own clinics um and so uh you know we typically saw about 200,000 patients a year had about 250 employees um and so when COVID came along it really required me to kind of figure out what's going on not only from the patients that I've got to take care of but also for my employees as well and so that really what kind of drove me to get really almost um hyperfocused on trying to figure out the problem and actually figuring out how to help people and so in a sense a lot of my knowledge base is interestingly fairly new uh because a lot of this was new but if you actually applied yourself at the time uh you could become an expert in something that was relatively new relatively quick and so and let's not forget this was not only new for you it was new for everybody from the top doctors in America% um to the interns um to the residents um what were some of the things that you observed in your patients during CO that sort of stick out to you to this day so it was pretty obvious in the spring and summer of 2020 that we weren't really dealing with a respiratory infection what we were really dealing with was a vascular issue in the lungs and vascular issue everywhere and in fact uh what my collaborators in South Africa really discovered is we were barking up the wrong tree it wasn't a respiratory disease it was actually a vascular disease of the lungs and that's one of the reasons if you have a vascular issue of the lungs the worst thing you can do is increase the intrathoracic pressure which is what ventilation does and in a sense is why most people that got on the ventilator did not live so in a sense what we discovered was if we attack the vascular and coagulation or the clotting issues that go on with COVID that we could pull people out of the hospital save their lives and actually not have any long-term consequences for those who have never studied you know the body um what is vascular so vascular would be the vessels so you know there's two things a lot of times when we think about pneumonia or asthma or those kind of things what we're thinking about is how we move air in and out of the lungs but the interesting thing is when you move air in and out of the lungs it have to it has to interface with something called vessels for that oxygen exchange and if you have a disease that attacks the vessels you also have I mean a lot of people are monitoring their pulseox and those kind of things the actual pulseox goes down as well and so what really a lot of physicians started to realize is we were treating this like the classic what we call acute respiratory distress syndrome or arg pneumonia but it wasn't that and in a sense what we needed to do was treat it as if it was a vasculopathy and some of the people that I work with in England what we've kind of defined as what we call primary pulmonary vasculopathy which is a fancy word for saying the issue is a primary issues of the vessels of the lungs not necessarily the airways which is what most people associate when they think about a pneumonia and I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear that the ventilator actually could have contributed to people dying is that right 100% yeah was actually if you think about the vessels if you already have vessels that don't work very well what's the worst thing you can do to them actually blow more air in them increase the intrathoracic pressure and actually close down more vessels and actually make the oxygenation worse let's talk a little bit about I know you've written a lot uh about the COVID vaccine what are some of your big takeaways from what you've learned about it so the interesting thing was what we knew and actually when we talk about coagulation and how things attack the vessels was the spike protein was really what was causing that the spike protein attaches to this thing called the ACE2 receptor that's present in the inside of your vessels and that's why COVID is really a vascular disease but it was interesting as we started to understand COVID and understand that the pathogen was the spike protein that the solution that was offered was actually to tell people to make the spike protein for an unknown amount of time for an unknown amount and that is actually where we got off meaning historically when we think about vaccines vaccines are passive meaning your body interfaces with a foreign protein but usually that protein is not something that's active biologically to most people but instead to pick the very protein that is pathological and actually have people make it in a in a way that we didn't really even understand and even the biodistribution studies are just now catching up where the old it stayed in your arm is completely false uh and we know that now but of course the the studies just came out because really we weren't studying it before we basically told everybody it was safe and effective so in a sense uh it is what I would consider not even in the same classification as a typical vaccine and it's kind of the redheaded stepchild of vaccines it's almost the person you don't want in your family because it's going to ruin the reputation of all the others and is this all the vaccines or just just the mRNA vaccine and so the mRNA vaccine is but that was fizer that was yeah and then uh I will say the Johnson and Johnson was an adno vector vaccine so it used the capsit of a virus and had your body utilize the uh the outside of a virus called the adno virus to actually have your body be attacked and replicated but it was in a very different way we also had a lot of history with utilizing adn novector viruses to vaccinate and so we had a lot more data on what was going on the mRNA was a technology that not is isn't new but even in 2018 the NIH itself said that this technology had lots of holdups and actually a lot of those holdups are the very adverse events and adverse effects that we're seeing which is we didn't know where it went uh we didn't know how it impacted things we didn't know how long people were going to produce it in a sense think of the mRNA as almost like a blueprint that you're giving your cells to make the protein and again a protein that we knew was pathogenic and the reality is is we don't know how everybody reads those blueprints and how long they read those blueprints and how long they make the blueprints effects and that's a very different thing that's called active it's an active mechanism as opposed to a passive mechanism passive mechanism is you take a small amount of a protein or uh a other kind of live attenuated basically vaccine and your body interfaces it but we interface with a known amount of the protein this is very different in a sense that we're actually making the body make something for an unknown amount of time for an unknown amount and then the other thing is is the biodistribution studies specifically recently in a paper in January of 2025 show that it actually targeted things like the ovaries the heart the liver those kind of places and again that just shows you the lack of knowledge about the biodistribution when we thwarted this on the entire population with the mantra that it was safe and effective during the height of the pandemic we were measuring deaths by the millions tens of thousands of people a week were dying are you advocating that the vaccine not be used i mean this is crediting with saving lives and from making this a global pandemic to something that we only talk about you know once in a while yeah I think the vaccine itself um is questionable on whether it saved lives looking at the data does that make sense and so the other thing is is what they knew about the technology is it would rapidly cause mutations and so in a sense everybody got vaccinated for something and protected them and by the time they were vaccinated that virus wasn't the virus that was attacking them and in a sense that means that the vaccine continued to have to be boosted and updated and that's not a way to actually engage with the immune system in fact the immune system doesn't necessarily like being poked all the time and in sometimes if it gets poked all the time it roars and so the onset of new autoimmune diseases and other inflammatory syndromes are kind of just out of control there was a recent meta analysis that looked at autoimmune diseases in children and in the vaccinated it and it and this was about 400,000 kids the in the vaccinated population of children there was a 2% increase in autoimmune diseases that doesn't sound like many people but when you think about it that's about 8,000 kids that have a new autoimmune disease that doesn't seem like something that we should be doing to children especially when they had no benefit from it what would you credit then in terms of getting the pandemic under control if not the vaccine well in a sense it's actually what we call viral evolution in a sense the viruses themselves if they are deadly that's not a benefit to them very few people get infected in a morg and so in a sense what it does is attenuate over time to become more infectious and at the same time be less virilent and that's just the natural history of how viruses work and that's what we saw over time i want to talk about um long co i know there's some recent studies that have linked long CO to some of these vascular issues you have a problem with some of those studies talk a little bit about that so I don't necessarily have any problem with it i I mean I'm probably one of the people that look I guess that I don't I don't have a pro what studies you um so the one I think that I I read that you um question some of the links to the vascular issues and long co because you say they they haven't um asked the vaccination status of some of these oh yeah yeah yeah so yeah I think the problem with the the problem with the context of long COVID is because now we have really a u basically a society that's been vaccinated at the same time that they got COVID because the vaccine didn't work that it mixes the data and basically no one is being asked when did the onset of these symptoms happen was it temporary related to your COVID or was it temporarily related to your vaccine instead we're throwing them all in a basket and basically saying you have persistent symptoms after COVID but in a sense no one's actually you know chronologically going back and asking them it's one of the deficiencies in all these studies i know during COVID you spoke out about kind of what you were seeing and you were kind of shunned um talk a little bit about kind of the reaction from the uh you know establishment medical class in America in terms of the narrative and kind of trying to shut out other voices yeah i I think in some ways medicine is a very hierarchial profession and in a sense even in residency and medical school we're taught to think that the people above us are infallible and what they say is the only thing that can be said and what the last five years has exposed is when there isn't somebody that's questioning the narrative that the narrative actually in itself could be completely wrong and the outcomes can be completely awful i mean just exa another example recently would be Alzheimer's research alzheimer's research they they were focused on something that was completely fraudulent for the last 20 years and only only funding those studies that went went along with that narrative it's the same thing that happens and I think that's one of the reasons that the uh medical system continues to need independent physicians and independent research the problem with the with really Fouchy and a lot of the things that actually the NIH did over the last 40 years is they tied medical research to following the narrative that Fouchy and Anthony Collins decided and in in a sense that means that there is no science i'm going to have you say that again because Francis Collins right yeah franc Oh sorry sorry anthony Fouchy Francis Collins mixed their names yeah francis Collins uh and basically they were going to fund things that agreed with what their narrative was and in a sense science the other thing about science is science you hear a lot of follow the science science is not a leader science is an informer it gives you data leaders lead they utilize science to make effective decisions and if you ever hear a leader say follow the science they're actually abdicating their responsibility to somebody else instead of actually leading as a leader let's talk about myocarditis this is something I read a little bit about i think a lot of people don't know about it and I think you might argue that they should know more about it 100% so myocarditis is inflammation of the tissue of the heart the muscle of the heart and why it's so such a delotterious thing is you really don't get new heart muscle so if you actually have the heart muscle attacked you don't get new muscle if you have your arm attacked in a sense you can actually rebuild new muscle but cardiac myioytes don't come back and that's one of the reasons heart disease is such an awful thing because in a sense once cardiac muscle is destroyed you're you're in for a long hard life because you're not going to get new cardiac muscle now I will say there are kind of researchers that are looking at ways to actually make new heart muscle but currently that isn't the case and so when we're talking about children or young men that have myocarditis myocarditis is a significant thing they might say that for instance they might feel better after 6 months being treated by ibuprofen or culticine or those kind of things but in a sense they've had an attack of the heart muscle that for the rest of their life will not be different than that attacked heart muscle does that make sense so the long-term consequences if you look at 5 to 10 year studies on people that have myocarditis they're awful and so in a sense when the uh CDC and FDA were saying hey myocarditis but it seems self-limited and people seem to go back to back to their life we're talking about 17 and 18 year olds without any benefit are actually having heart damage it's a heart damage that will last the rest of their life that is never a good balance at all what's the connection to COVID and myocarditis so CO or the vaccine or the vaccine yeah so the vaccine uniquely when we were talking about that mRNA the the research that came out in January looked at lip nanoparticles which is what actually the mRNA gets wrapped in and interestingly enough what they found was is the L&P the lip nanoparticles with the mRNA actually go to the endthelium the inside of the vessels of the heart and actually cause changes in multiple proteomics meaning like what they produce to downregulate repair and upregulate inflammation and in a sense what that proves is exactly what we thought was going on which is mRNA vaccines cause myocarditis now the problem was this was being seen very early in the CDC and FDA data we're talking April or even March actually even back to February the interesting thing is as much as the uh FDA and CDC were telling you they had this program called Vssafe Vssafe interestingly enough only asked questions about fatigue fever rash didn't ask anything about chest pain shortness of breath palpitations and so as the Israeli data came and started to see this signal of a significant amount of young men especially after the second dose having myocarditis the CDC and FDA started to actually from the bottom up by physicians that weren't scared to report started saying "Hey we're seeing this in these patients that are young young men we need to do something about it." the CDC and FDA were about to ex basically give something called a health alert notice and that health alert notice would have told physicians hey be on the lookout for this because this is happening not only that the Israeli data confirmed it but at the same time the people were saying well we don't have a signal yet but they didn't have a signal because guess what you don't have evidence if you never visit visit a crime scene question and so and they actually had multiple people from their own agencies come in and say "Hey we're missing this because we're not asking the question." And in a sense when they were about to elicit a health alert notice to all the physicians the worry was more about if we tell doctors to look for it we might get more of it that's your job by the way and if doctors aren't reporting it we'll never have the signal and so instead in instead of actually giving a health alert notice to all the physicians they decided with the help of the Biden administration to actually just update the website of the CDC instead of telling the physicians and also were communicating with Madna and Fizer letting them know what they were doing at the same time that they were all saying "Hey we need to be careful because we might drive vaccine hesitancy." Well the interesting thing is vaccine hesitancy is one thing a 17-year-old with a damaged heart for the rest of his life is another so that health alert notice never went out never went out and that's what we're discussing today at the Yeah so uh that's my next question is kind of what are you doing here in Washington today uh why was this report kind of put together and what are you going to be talking about so a lot of it is looking at um the failure to notice meaning like literally the the job of the FDA the job of the CDC and the FDA more than the CDC is to actually regulate our products and inform practitioners and people about the dangers that they might see as soon as they see them and then they need to be proactive and get them off the market or restrict them to the people that don't only need them meaning people that don't have that delotterious consequence and in a sense they didn't do that in fact the CDC went around uh instead of basically giving a health alert notice they decided to update the website at the same time that they told Madna and Fizer to uh update their labeling and so now all of a sudden the labeling starts to say myocarditis again this is two months into this discussion uh but at the same time the CDC hasn't said anything about it which is an interesting way to do it as well uh then lastly um some of the interesting things that were were part of those part of the actual health alert notice that never got sent out uh there was many additions to continued claims that we know for sure they were saying that the benefits outweigh the risk at the same time that they don't know the risk and in fact the risk are just developing so that is a complete lie because you can't know that because it's a brand new product that's under an emergency youth authorization so if you're going to have a health alert notice it didn't even get out to us as physicians i mean as physicians that are asked to actually tell people to get this product based on somebody's word at the CDC and FDA to tell our patients that we have a long history and a long relationship with that this is safe and effective and it's the best decision for your 17-year-old that is crazy to think that how many physicians went with the word of these people as they debated whether it should be released any um can you just tell me why you think it was more prevalent in young men than women so there's a couple different reasons uh there's actually uh hormones related so testosterone actually so one of the things in terms of the spike protein actually getting into the cell it has uh it's actually basically potentiated or increased its ability to in get inside the cell if there's a testosterone receptor engaged and guess what males have more testosterone it also has to do with catakolamine so again it was just kind of the the actual uh makeup of a male was more likely to have that effect does that make sense yep totally um as far as the report that's going to be released today what are some of the glaring you know red sirens in that report well the glaring thing was they knew about the Vsafe not being effective and the Vssafe was the way that basically uh patients that got the vaccine were supposed to report back to the CDC and FDA about side effects and those side effects that they listed were the very minimal side effects they were 10 things that were listed they did not list chest pain they did not list shortness of breath they did not list palp palpitations they basically listed fatigue mild fever those kind of things and in a sense it was brought to them in April to say "We're not getting this signal because no one's being asked the question." And instead of actually updating the list of things that would be asked to the people that were in that database they actually just restricted the amount of calls they would make to people to only call people that went to the doctor mhm and I will remind you in 2021 if you had chest pain or shortness of breath you weren't really somebody that was ready to jump out and go to the doctor because we were told not to seek medical care so in a sense they were restricting even more reporting by saying the only people that we're going to call and actually inquire with are people that visit the physicians and the hospitals just a couple more questions for you um have we learned the or I guess what lessons have we learned and what lessons have yet to be learned from this pandemic so I I think the first thing is is open-mindedness and that science is not a closed book okay and in a sense especially the way our medical system is run the problem is is over time as consolidation i mean most physicians now are either employed by some type of corporate entity they're employed by the government or they're employed by some academic medical center the problem with that is most of those places receive their funding from one big place and it's called the NIH and so going against the grain with what the NIH would say through their agencies like CDC and FDA means that you're on you know on the chopping block and in a sense that really restricts the ability to think outside the box and so what we need is actually people that first of all realize medicine is about taking care of another human who's not only physical but spiritual and that makes them different than rats and in a sense if we treat everybody like rats and look at a lot of spreadsheets you're going to get exactly what happened in the last five years and that's not what you want from your doctor and that's not what you want from society and the medical system um do you think that you know with President Trump's you know people like Dr marty McCary at the FDA um you know different people that he's brought in on his medical team do you think that things are heading in the right direction yeah 100% i think Marty already even the announcements yesterday in terms of what they're going to do in terms of further approvals for vaccines for CO 19 that came out uh where they're going to actually have to require especially on the boosters that there needs to be randomized control trials that they're going to restrict it to only people with significant health conditions i think this is the first step in the right direction instead of a trust us we know and then find out later that they didn't that's really what the changes are making and I think some of the biggest things that have happened in good ways are getting rid of somebody like Peter Marx peter Marx was actually head of Sber which was basically the the regulatory body involved in actually approving and licensing vaccines yet at the same time in the summer of 2021 was on YouTube advocating for the vaccine in a sense that's not his job that his job is actually to regulate the very industry that he was out promoting and in fact even if that industry went on YouTube and promoted their vaccine like he would they would be fined and in a sense he thought it was okay and he's never held been held to account for it and I think he needs to be uh just last question we we've talked about the vascular issues we've talked about myocarditis are there any other issues that you've come across either in patients um so so the other thing that we see is clotting dysfunction and so clotting dysfunction function is downstream from endothelial dysfunction but when we think about clotting a lot of people think about blood clots and I'm pretty sure most people have noticed that maybe somebody that they wouldn't have expected has had a blood clot heck heck the NBA and NFL are full of them that you would think why are these guys having blood clots they're literally active every day but if you inappropriately activate the endothelium and the coagulation system you cause a cascade that causes fibrin to form inappropriately and a lot of what I study especially under the microscope is looking at what we call abnormal amaloid fibbrin so amaloid fibrin is like typically we want our body to make fibbrin in response to a need to stop blood flow and in a sense what that usually looks like is spaghetti that just came out of the colander you know it's basically you're able to pull it apart when it's needed to the actual fibbrin that's formed because of the spike protein is actually looks like burnt spaghetti casserole that you have to get a brillow pad to get off the casserole dish that's not easy for your body to break down and in a sense what that does is cause a cumulative process and result in clotting and dysfunction especially in the small vessels so a lot of people that we see that have long COVID or persistent issues after the vaccine a lot of it is not necessarily the big vessels it's actually the very small vessels where red blood cells line up and actually get oxygen and other things out to the tissues in a sense I usually use the metaphor it's like you standing in your shower and no water's coming out of your shower head you call a plumber and the plumber stays out in your yard and tells you your water mane is open that's what a lot of the cardiologists and doctors are doing the you would fire that plumber but in a sense what's happening here is instead these people feel awful their big vessels are fine their small vessels are destroyed and in a sense small vessels are what matters it's what actually gets you the shower they knew i mean again early in the vaccine roll out they had a list of all the possible vaccine adverse events that they should expect to see and they limited that to ask people to 10 things that were really non nonsequittors meaning people feel fatigued people feel you know like they have a headache those kind of things not questions that were at you know like shortness of breath chest pain um palpitations those kind of things and in a I mean how does how does not asking the right questions impact the health of the country well if you don't ask the right questions in a sense you're not going to know what's causing it does that make sense totally so um you know again it goes back to it's like as we see increased cardiac event rates in in society we see early coronary disease or actually young kids with lots of new arrhythmias um a lot of doctors and I I deal with them all the all the time are they don't even have the framework or the lens to think that COVID or the vaccine might have caused it and in a sense what they're left wondering is this is the weirdest thing I've seen but I guess it's just them i guess it's just a outlier exactly but it's not