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Christian Perspective on Israel-Palestine

all right uh a lot of you know about uh the war that's going on with Israel Iran and the conflict with uh Palestine and everything else going on i haven't really done a teaching on that one because I was focusing on prior lessons but what I will do today is now focus on that topic um what I would strongly recommend and urge it's been very surprising to me uh how many people in churches are turning either toward anti-semitism or if they don't want to be if they don't consider themselves to be anti-semite they will criticize the nation of Israel now when you look at their policies obviously uh Bible believing Christians can't agree with everything that they do there are some things that they do that we can see uh within the news but news are not trustworthy either so sometimes you have to take those things with a grain of salt or just with skepticism itself but the nation of Israel I mean there are people who get concerned about the unfairness or some of the things that they did in war where it harmed uh innocent Palestinians or other people now the debate can be very hot on that are they really innocent or not or I mean Israel has a right to defend its own land and etc and etc so this has been uh very complex complicated when it when it comes to politics today it has become way more complicated compared to years ago so even with our current presidency with uh in America there is so much complications so what I really urge and stress to Bible believing Christians is when it comes to politics here or the news to be very careful and to distance yourself from that and focus more on Bible now why is that the I'm not saying to be totally ignorant of everything that's going on and I never said don't vote or stuff like that now there are people who get mad at me and they said Pastor Kim is telling people to go vote i never said that either so it's just amazing to me how many people are not paying attention to what I'm teaching my drive is for you to focus on the Bible so that all the things regarding politics and news can be filtered out another thing is this is the more you study on Bible and the less you look at politics and news the safer you will be in how you discuss things on topics related to the nation of Israel and what they're doing that's very important to understand the more you get into news or research on political opinion the more criticisms are going to come out whether for whether you're for the Arabs or for the people in the nation of Israel that's what's going to come out and the more negative things you say the tendency you can say wrong things that will deviate from the Bible because let's be honest when you read the news it's not really uh it's not really uh commendations recommendations for positive things i mean that's not the thing in the news it's mostly negative it's mostly criticisms now the Bible talks a lot about uh negative things from the mouth from the tongue and that it is set on fire of hell once you say that and you stupidly post a video on that especially when it contradicts the Bible especially when God considers the nation of Israel in spite of their sins as the apple of his eye that's something you can't take back now Bible believers are even getting involved in this and that is a cry and shame another thing is that people are getting very concerned with churches when they're getting strongly pro- Israel and when they get strongly pro- Israel they might even justify some of the genuinely wrong things that they do which is why it is very important for Christian churches to be very very careful of that we do believe in being pro-Israel because it's Bible but when you become pro- Israel you better be careful you might justify some of the wrong things that they do which are genuinely wrong things that's the reason why the safest thing is to just distance from all of that and to just focus on the Bible as long as you know the general stuff you don't need to get into specifics on what specific things and actions that they did is right or wrong you just have to get to the general gist of it now what I'm going to do is uh filter it out for you because unfortunately the people are not doing that themselves so I will I will do my best to filter it out for you if there's one thing you know about me is that I heavily research into things and I get into the specifics but the reason why I'm in the safe zone is because I'm not know it's because I was born bred and raised a bibleelving Christian and I am under bibleelving preachers and bibleelving community i am not some what they would like to call independent thinker or researcher no no you're a rogue yeah come on you're a rogue because when you get independent thinkers let's be honest they don't come to agreement yeah come on that's why the the opinions are diverse and large it's not oh what a wonderful thing in our community no it's more division now mark my words they're going to get sick and tired of that one day that's why they're becoming more ecumenical that's why it's going to come to a point where they will finally give up their independent critical thinking and just prefer some leader to take charge and run things for them it's going to become like that one day that's why if you want to maintain your independent thinking skills and to avoid this ecumenical movement where you're not thinking for yourelves and bound to the antichrist is you need to balance your independent thinking out and God balanced it out for you that's why I stress so much you need a local bibleelving church to attend and if you don't you better be part of that community if you are part of some independent thinker on some internet YouTube channel or Facebook group or some ex group then you got to realize this i know for a fact that you're not bound to those people either you have a bunch of different platforms and independent channels and you created your own religion so to speak your own belief god's religion and belief and doctrine is not marched by you he always used a community a group and it's not virtual it's an actual church and it's a bibleelving church amen a church that's centered on the Bible that's why we're called Independent Baptist Church why we promote independent thinking but it's still a church see that so it's not rogue that's why this is very important all right uh I said all of that but now let's uh filter it out with scripture now the best part for New Testament Christian doctrine not even Old Testament is Romans chap 11 amen romans chap 11 this is the primary text that nobody can debunk this is extremely strong what I want you to get from this teaching when it re relates to the topic of the nation of Israel especially their policies and the conflict going on I don't ever uh I don't want you to ever forget Romans 11 all right everything else from this teaching you might forget but I urge and plead every one of you to never forget Romans 11 and to read this passage constantly okay so this is New Testament Christian doctrine no one can deny this romans 11:2 for I would not brethren that ye should be what ignorant now you should not be ignorant now a lot of so-called truthers they are ignorant they consider themselves to be open-minded uh people who receive the revelation and the truth but they're very ignorant because all they know is information from man and not from the Bible now God in his Bible I prefer that more than the information of man can the information of man supplement the Bible yes but it is so diverse contradictory that you could hardly it'll take you some difficulty to find something to supplement the Bible okay now uh when we look at verse 25 God says ignorant of this what mystery now this is very important to understand if it's going to be a mystery this is something that's not going to be clear come on all right so people who try to dig into more information to find more clarity you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself so you better be careful of that you better be careful of that during uh COVID one of the first things I said so much and I gave a lot of information during COVID and then concerning conspiracies and politics and news i gave a lot of information but there was one thing that I said first and thank God in our church we really did not have this problem we did have a little bit of a uncomfortable tensions but not really but I emphasized so much during COVID uh about all these specifics that came out to not get too deep into that information and to think about your spiritual walk with God as priority amen and that all this information will be filtered out through the Bible through a bibleelving perspective and church and that whatever differences we all hold because it is guaranteed we will have different opinions from the information we all independently research ourselves from the information of man that you better leave it as Romans 14 that includes your diet that includes what happened with the vaccines that included everything i stress that so much i hammered that i can't tell you how many Bible-belving churches they went through splits and so much uh pressure and stress because of that not this church period amen we're a family and we're not going to let the devil break our family with the information of man okay absolutely not well what if somebody uh believes some information that's wrong romans 14 romans 14 god don't make it a big deal well what's a big deal what's a big deal is what is considered major doctrine and if that major doctrine is wrong that's where we take a stand now regarding the nation of Israel that's a major doctrine we're going to take a stand on that one amen regarding their uh inaccuracies their even sins oh uh you better uh you better be very careful of that one oh yeah concerning their policies and politics and Palestinians and all that oh that's the information of man you better be careful of that you're going to have different opinions out of that all right so let's consider major doctrine on the nation of Israel that we should keep in mind all right it's a mystery lest you should be wise in your own conceits see that those are opinion seekers independent thinkers they think they're so smart that they know but God told you this that blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in he warned you that Israel is blind so then they're going to have darkness who are they blinded by they're blinded by the god of this world Satan so you're not going to find anything satanic with what the nation of Israel does you're naive of course you're going to find something satanic in them until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in so until God's time is up with the United Nations and Gentiles he's going to do that all the way until the end when he sets up his kingdom with Israel verse 26 and so all Israel shall be saved now obviously that's not every Jew in the world right so then what does all Israel mean all Israel simply mean he already told you Israel the nation he's talking about nationally speaking he's talking about collectively speaking not every Jewish individual he's talking about the nation of Israel itself uh as it is written there shall come out of Sion the deliverer and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob so notice right here that Jesus the Messiah will come out he will deliver Israel but notice he's his job is to turn away what from Jacob ungodliness all right now let me convince you that the modern nation of Israel that that is the current nation of Israel now even some Bible believers are dabbling with this and I hesitate to say Bible believers i think they're just online weirdos to the point of being cultic that not even traditional churches consider them as part of them all right that's how rogue they are all right uh let me prove to you they're getting to a point now where Ashkanazi or the modern nation of Israel are not real Jews some of them will go so far because they know what Dr rupman teaches that they will say,"Well uh we do believe God will restore the nation of Israel but it's not the current nation of Israel that you see." So whatever these real Jews are you know so probably they're thinking Sephardic or uh somewhere in Palestine etc not the what they consider Ashkanazi white or European or Khazars or whatever but whatever it is whoever these real Jews are to them by ethnicity their their point is the modern nation of Israel uh today are not real Jews well then uh let me ask you this um if they believe the modern nation of Israel is part of the conspiracy or the elites which I do believe as well and there is a lot of evil in them would wouldn't you consider that to be ungodly come on yes yes all right then God's job is to turn away ungodliness from who jacob that's a nation how's he going to do that if the nation of Israel are not currently doing ungodly things come on brother you're thinking read the book that's it brother amen read the book it's right here i mean this is the verse Bible believers should even know but they don't really know come on because they're not reading okay verse 27 for this is my co you know I could just finish the teaching just on Romans 11 and that's it i don't even have to show you all the stuff that I'm going to show you let's keep reading for this is my covenant unto them when I shall take away their what sins sins they have to commit sins they're wicked god made a covenant with them he promised he's going to take all of that away he's going to have to take all of that away as concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sakes now this is very true what so this is where we know when to critique them okay an enemy is considered to be your enemy that you have to basically fight against right so if you can't say if you can't critique them you're not really fighting so yes there is a place where we critique them but the verse already told you they are enemies for your sakes as concerning politics is that what it said as concerning their policies is that what it said as concerning the Palestine Israel conflict that's not what it said it says the gospel right the gospel so it's referring to Christian doctrine that's it don't get into policies all right well my criticisms are justified might be but you better be careful might not be might not be you know why everyone can agree with this whenever you do a political argument or do a policy times keep changing including the people and you will be uh and you'll be shown to be wrong later on that you have to take back what you said you better be careful with this kind of information from the internet you you take it with a grain of salt amen you take it with a grain of salt you just stick to the Bible you will be safe now let me tell you this there were even stuff that I was wrong on with all the information I gave to you but you know how I kept justifying myself even the information I was wrong on because of my priority of the Bible it still covered me still at a safe zone so I want to emphasize that to everybody read Romans 14 i'm telling you all right regarding your own convictions that the Lord laid upon your heart with the truth that he guided to you because they're all going to contradict with your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who are Bible believers but when it comes to major bibleelving doctrine yes we take a stand and yes that's not something that we can respect each other and tolerate it's something that we fight for but regarding other information you better be careful now uh it's concerning Christian doctrine now look at the next part but as touching the election what is the election here what is the election the the election right here is their nation the election right here is regarding their people their nation and their people that's the election it's not salvation come on you're going to tell me a lost Jew especially who's a liberal atheist who can live more ungodly and that is true it can they can be one of the most godless people i mean you see the stuff going on in Hollywood some of their comedy stuff and the parades that they do that LGBTQ plus you'd be surprised how many Jews support that all that kind of wickedness going on uh you have to understand that these people regarding uh Christian doctrine and then their sins and stuff like that they can be one of the most wicked people they can be one of the most wicked people but then regarding when we come back over here the election this is referring to their nation and their people and the verse they are what beloved for the what forefather's sakes yeah for father's sake so you got to realize this when we regarding their nation uh God considers them to still be he his elect and their beloved beloved when they condone when they uh start to do these uh these policies they're doing it because of their nation right or that's their excuse all right so it's for the sovereignty of their nation that's con consistently their excuse well they shouldn't have done the uh they shouldn't have bombed uh Iran and they're the ones that started this they're the ones who are avoiding diplomatic relations to begin with and they shouldn't have done this and they shouldn't have done that blah blah blah blah blah hey you got to be careful of that because of their nation they're considered beloved from God and even if what they do listen to me even if what they do is wrong or evil people get involved God might be behind that you might go "No God wouldn't do that you don't know God you You never seen what God does with nations let's take an example of Nebuchadnezzar all right for his uh for his nation for his national benefit it's war and killing and even killing babies." But you know what god used that against his own people Israel nebuchadnezzar was a wicked guy he was evil but God considered him to be a king of kings that he appointed wow come on brother oh God wouldn't do it you don't mess with God okay that's one thing I learned don't mess with God god can use anything for his glory that's right well then well I don't approve those evil things that people do oh they're going to get judged for those things yes they will amen they're going to get judged for those things god would prefer not to use evil obviously but you know why he would use evil because everybody is stinking evil they're not going to do good and God's going to use that good thing for to fulfill his ultimate purpose come on he's going to use anything in this universe any law of nature any deed and action of man for his glory amen so his counsel can stand that's what he's going to do you know why well I don't like it well then you shouldn't have sinned and messed up to begin with then God could have used everything in our perfect universe for his plan and everything but no unfortunately because of sin that gave disease famine pain and sin and all that those things are going to have to go underneath God's plan for his glory would you prefer God not to use them for his glory then what about his wonderful promise when you mess up that's good a lot of people don't understand how God's uh divine plan works his brilliance they don't know Romans 8:28 etc god won't use evil people for his glory god won't use evil people for his glory let me give you something here go to the book of Numbers let me show you something eye opening go to numbers that's good you remember Balum come on all right go to the book of Numbers chapter 22 numbers 22 balam he's a false prophet as a matter of fact he teaches false doctrine as a matter of fact the Bible points out his doctrine is what the Antichrist will use in the tribulation one of the most evil people didn't you know God used him to promote Zionism and he said "If anyone goes against that Zionist decree from a false prophet Balum God's going to curse them." Come on people don't read their Bible uh look at Numbers chapter uh 22 numbers 22 notice uh that he hires Balam at verse 6 come now therefore I pray thee curse me this people for they are too mighty for me so Moab wants to curse the nation of Israel notice it's very interesting for I w that he whom thou blessest is blessed and he whom thou cursest is cursed all right now look what look what he does okay look what God does with Balum go to the book of Numbers chapter 23 numbers chapter 23 in verse 8 verse eight you know what uh Balam says to this gentile nation how shall I curse whom God hath not cursed or how shall I die defy whom the Lord hath not defied verse 10 who can count the dust of Jacob and the number of the fourth part of Israel let me die the death of the righteous and let my last end be like his and Bailac said unto Balam "What hast thou done unto me i took thee to curse mine enemies the Jews and behold thou hast what bless bless them alto together look at uh verse 21 this is eyeopening all right y'all are not going to like this all right verse 21 he hath not beheld iniquity in what jacob neither hath he seen the perverseness in Israel now I know what you and I are thinking that is messed up guess what it's also messed up that you're saved by faith and not by your works i think that's messed up do you know how many people if you know some people you've heard in your life do you know how many people you probably deserve hell fire and they probably hate your guts for you saying "I'm once saved always saved now I know I'm going to heaven when I die." I think that's messed up too now do we believe that no one's going to get punished for what they did wrong oh no amen some of you still are reaping what you've sown for what you did once saved always saved license to sin uh no don't tempt God and if you know the nation of Israel's history don't tempt God god don't tempt God you better be careful of that mess so notice right here that uh God he wants the nation of Israel to stay blessed he said "Blessed are they that bless thee and cursed are they that cursseeth thee." That's what Balam actually said too so man you better be careful of that well uh that promise is something all the way in the Old Testament but they broke that because of their sin no it's unconditional notice right here the nation of Israel still sinned but God for the covenant's sake still blesses them oh you better be careful are you really blessing them when you criticize their policies and what they're doing and stuff like that now am I saying promote whatever policy they do wrong i never told you to do that you don't want to join the council of the wicked but you better be careful because God said "Blessed are they that bless thee and cursed are they that curse thee." You want to take a curse from God that that thing is unconditional if you go to Genesis the book of Genesis it's a promise given to Abraham it's unconditional balam continued that when you go back to Genesis 12 and verse 3 Genesis 12:3 notice in Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curses thee and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." If you go behind verse two verse two when God says Abraham uh I'm going to bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you the context is him encompassing the nation verse two and I will make of thee a great nation and I will bless thee and make thy name great and thou shalt be a blessing that promise is still ongoing now when you look at all the riches of the Jews today you have to understand this when you look at the riches of the Jews today and they may have done it through evil means because let's be honest they're evil people they're sinners just like you and I but you got to realize that God made a promise to them and he can use that to keep his word to them now a lot of people uh when you go back to Romans 11 they just don't read Romans 11 you go back to Romans chapter 11 the Bible pointed out right here that regarding the nation of Israel in verse 29 in verse 29 the Bible says "For the gifts and calling of God are without what repentance." So God he says that he cannot uh repent he cannot take back his word to say that God is done uh blessing the nation of Israel then he's taking back his word he cannot do that uh he has to maintain his word he has to uh keep his word otherwise then he's a liar god can't repent balam even said that back at numbers that we looked at that passage god is not a man that he should lie neither the son of man that he should repent he's going to have to keep his word on that one okay now uh does a land belong to them uh what about those poor Palestinians and then what about Ashkanaz so uh they're going to mention about uh Ashkanaz is from uh the line of Japheth not from the line of Shem and they're going to point out that Ashkanazi they'll claim comes from Ashkanaz so then the current the majority of Jews today will be Ashkanazi you'll notice and then when you look at the Ashkanazi Jews they'll claim look at them when you look at their features there's no no way they look like Jews they might consider Sphartic Jews to be the real Jews or the Jews who live in the land of Israel but they're not going to consider Ashkenazi as real Jews they're going to claim that it's from the Khazars and they'll go back to the Khazar Siri uh the Khazar theory uh somewhere around Turkey and the other areas back then the Turkish kingdom back then or their domain and then they'll claim that a bunch of uh people called Khazars converted to Judaism and they're not even bloodline Jews and then they'll claim that Ashkanazi the majority of them come from those Khazars well it don't matter you know why it don't matter because when you look at DNA evidence DNA evidence will point out that when you look at Ashkanazi and the Jews they all trace back to a single source of DNA and that is within the nation of Israel that's what they're going to point out now there are other uh DNA uh some truthers they'll try to pull up some uh DNA expert and one of them is more anti-Jewish actually go figure right uh more empathetic toward Arabs go figure right so some of them will be that way and they will use these DNA experts to point out that no because when you look at that uh these Jews are traced to Khazars or to some other group they're not traced to the land of Israel but all you have to do is it's very simple when you compare the Sphartic the Ashkanazi and then those from the land of Israel they all tra uh and DNA goes back right so when you keep going back they all share that same uh origin DNA back then so that's what you're going to find out now other people they'll say that well no when I tested my DNA I found out that I was this percentage Jewish but I don't identify myself as a Jew so you you can't really rely on DNA on that one well uh that's very funny because actually whether you believe it or not DNA evidence is strongest for Jews more than any other ethnicity do you know why can you guess why they're the ones who messed up their DNA the most why no other nationality throughout all of history scattered and dispersed and integrated with other nationalities than the Jew i challenge you give me any other group there's no other nationality or group these Jews listen it's very important they make a big deal about tracing their nationality if you don't think so God thinks so you know how much of a big deal it was your salvation depended on it one their genealogy because during the the Jews were not scattered after Rome sacked Jerusalem they they got scattered during Babylon so that was centuries before so already they spread out and messed their DNA that's why even historians are saying that when you look at the genealogies in the New Testament it's skeptical why because they scattered there's no way you can trace Jewish lineage so how do we know Jesus is from the line of David and then from the line of all the way uh to Abraham and stuff like that that's what they're going to do but God don't care god kept the historical record secondly in the tribulation Revelation 7 God traces 12 tribes of Israel the Jews can't trace their what tribe they come from for the life of it i don't care how much DNA they know they can't trace it for the if their life depended upon it but God kept a record of their genealogy their DNA their nationality now what spirit puts the information of man throughout online and trying to convince you that these aren't that you can't trace their nationality and all that if I were you I'd take it more I'd have a skeptical approach when looking at information rather than a believable approach and besides I thought you were independent thinkers independent thinkers are critical-minded they don't believe what they see and hear you got to think critically on that one so uh why is the majority of Jews Ashkanazi well simple just study your history you know the majority of Jews were not in the nation of Israel you know that by the way I'm going to read stuff to you they were still there which proves this land belongs to them so I'm going to prove that but you know what the majority of Jews were going toward they were going toward Russia and they were also going to Europe as well how do you think Hitler killed millions of Jews how could he do that then see you got to understand this is that that uh the Ashkanazi they're definitely Jews the reason why is because the majority went over there there was nothing left for them there was nothing left for them so if you study the dark ages I mean if you don't think those were Jews then what did the Catholic Church thought of them what did the Muslims thought of them those people who went who landed in Europe who do they think of them your Khazars or something like that or fake Jews got to be careful of that that's why during the dark ages what they uh what they thought a real Jew was was the Catholic Church spiritually that's replacement theology romans 11 debunked it thoroughly for you romans 11 pointed out to you that concerning their nation their ethnicity they're beloved but spiritually they're not they're enemies so we do recognize that is that the Jews are not considered to be God's people spiritually but nationally speaking they are nationally speaking they are i mean uh this is more apparent when you go to John so let's go to the book of John i've only given you like a tenth of it john chapter I think seven and eight and I'm doing all of this from memory as well listen man uh if I can do a tenth of this from memory this should give convincing evidence against all that anti-Israel rant that you see online the criticisms against them amen all right let's go to the book of John and then we'll look at uh chapter 8 now this is very interesting look what Jesus said okay verse 39 they answered and said unto him,"Abraham is our father." That's what the Jews said jesus saith unto them "If what ye were Abraham's children ye would do the works of Abraham." So Jesus is not considering them to be real Jews so to speak in what sense according to their works their spiritual works from their spiritual works he sees them as children of Satan when you look at verse 44 44 ye are of your father the devil and the lust of your father ye will do see that so this is referring this is referring to spiritually they are not real Jews however you'll notice that Jesus Christ he still recognizes them as the children of Abraham because what you're going to find uh what you're going to find out from Jesus Christ uh I'm trying to go by memory over here but he pointed out in this same chapter i'm trying to find that uh but he pointed out that I know that uh Abraham is your father or that you're from Abraham he said let's see d 49 49 no not that one uh 44 oh no no no that's opposite i'm trying to show right here that Jesus said that I know Abraham is your father oh 52 52 let's see right here uh nope not that one uh here it is 56 56 jesus said to the Jews "Your what father Abraham rejoice to see my day." And he saw it and was glad he recognized that they were children of Abraham uh there is a more convincing wording here i'm trying to find that uh let's see right here you do uh ah 37 that's it 37 I know Jesus said that ye are what Abraham's seed see that so what do you think Jesus is thinking right here spiritually or physically physically obviously but spiritually he sees them what not as Abraham see not real Jews so you have to understand God still recognizes their physical side that they are still Jews now uh regarding their land grant and then I'll close it here you know why we don't uh we hesitate to call the people Palestinians or Palestine it's not because it's being mean it's because that word was used by ancient Rome to uh rename the whole land of Israel to take away the name of Israel away from them actually a lot of people didn't know that so this is from Dr grady's book on page 17 the English name Palestine is derived from the Hebrew word pleschet meaning land of the Philistines uh as a matter of fact he points out right here uh let's see the first official usage of Palestine began with the Romans in the bloody wake of the Bar Cabba revolt at AD 135 intent on removing all traces of Judaism Emperor Hadrien renamed Judea the main Jewish principality Palestina he also changed Jerusalem to Alia Capolina he also points out here uh in their essay the Jews in Erits Israel Palestine Ruth Kark and Joseph Glass of Hebrew University take it from here providing a rare and fascinating overview of the geopolitical development of the region promoted by Arab mythologists as a continuous independent Palestinian nation by 425 AD the Byzantine heirs to the eastern part of the Roman Empire had delineated three provinces palestina Prima which included the coastal towns the Judean Hills and the Jewish section of the Jordan rift palestina Secunda which comprised the Jezrael Valley the Galilee and the Golan and Palestina Tersia uh after the Arab conquest in 638 Palestina Prima was named Hun Philistine under the Mamluke and Ottoman rule uh let's see right here so his point right here is that even uh after that time that's where the name Palestine came from so it was intended to wipe out the nation of Israel their name their lineage but what you're going to find out is the people who are called Palestinians is actually an inaccurate term in that area so I'll show you that next time and also show you why Jews still have legal rights i mean legal rights to their lands not just biblical you know why they never left their land well they did leave their land by you saying that you just admitted the majority of them left and a good majority of them did end up Ashkenazi otherwise what are you going to say right yeah all right so I hope that uh this lesson has been eye opening uh I'll continue that next time heavenly Father I pray that today's teaching has been eye opening to the hearers and bless the next hours and services in Jesus name we pray amen