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Lecture on Mariam Fran Sarah Controversy

guys this is only going to take a couple of seconds you've seen the images the heart-wrenching images of those kids in Yemen who are starving we must do something about it click the link below and donate [Music] now how are you guys doing Mariam Fran Sarah is a 42-year-old French journalist who's done some good works for um the pales Palestine cause in fact she's recently come on in Zan's SM J had a video supporting her uh the da boy zishan is supporting her because of her good works for Palestine and also she I remember watching some of the things that she used to do on something called Big questions which is a program that used to come every Sunday in the UK and she was one of the main protagonists in fact advocating the pro-islamic position you know clarifying some of the misconceptions about Islam very articulate very good and um unfortunately I don't know what's happened but she's embroiled herself in what I'm going to be calling the sexual name calling Scandal and I don't understand where this came from one of my friends sent me a lecture of hers where she delivered and she delineated her positionality if you want to call it that both theologically and ideologically I want to leave you um with one clip and then come back and respond to in kind defensive posturing about the great gains Islam brought for women in the 7th Century says nothing about whether or not it continues to be a force for good in the advancing of women's rights today this first clip here okay she is questioning whether or not Islam is a force of good in the modern world now someone may make a plethora of different excuses for her and say that she was just doing this maybe I'm misinterpreting what she means by Islam maybe she means it in a civilizational sense maybe she means it in some other sense okay no problem let's look at the second clip and high profile cases of sexual slavery from India to here in Europe are sadly far too common but surely the question shouldn't be whether Islam is uniquely oppressive towards women but more so why it isn't providing the liberating principles which were so critical to the prophet peace be upon him's early message moving to textual Islam itself there are undoubtedly verses and sayings of the Prophet peace be upon him which continue to cause concern in their current understanding the juristic and exeresis based Heritage is in many ways deeply patriarchal and at times undeniably misogynistic so here she is talking about Hadith now Islam is comprised as many people know Quran is and Hadith these are the primary sources of Islam and she's talking about ISL the Hadith the prophetic sayings which are the Hadith and in their Juris Prudential understanding which is the mainstream normative traditional understanding and she's questioning whether or not they're misogynistic and she is actually saying that they are undeniably misogynistic now once again if I were to go in a street now and ask people whether or not they would think that a Muslim could say this I think that they would say no I would say if I were to put the words of Mari and franois sah to people in the streets they would say this is likely said or these words are likely said by some anti-islamic proponent someone may say okay well maybe she meant that maybe she meant this let's take a look at the third clip most Progressive interpretations continue to argue that this is merely a symbolic gesture symbolic symbolic of what we must question of power relations which give men the right to treat grown women like petulent children my feeling generally about religion is that it ought to elevate the soul to higher ethical Plains if we fall back on the all too easy these are problems found everywhere the question remains of what exactly Islam is in is contributing to improving women's lot rather than adding its own layer of culturally or religiously specific justifications for these injustices so here she's talking about a verse in the Quran 434 chapter 4:34 and she's quoting a progressive interpretation she in her words and she's rejecting this Progressive interpretation now my question would be then if you're rejecting the most Progressive interpretation of 434 what interpretation do you accept do you accept any interpretation because the the answer this question implicates you as either a Muslim or non-muslim so if you say no I don't actually believe in this verse and say what AM will do said who was a feminist um who said I had a conscientious Gap when I looked at 434 she said these are the words she used I had a conscientious Gap okay if that's your position then the question is how is it the case that you still identify as a Muslim I mean this would be the question I then ask because Islam is you believe in every single word of the Quran you believe in every single instruction given by the Prophet this is what Islam is but it gets worse actually because as I was listening to these kuf statement and statements of disbelief and statements of deviance and all those kind of things and I was feeling sorry for her and actually feeling a great deal of disappointment actually there was something else that I realized that she was actually making blunders about the Islamic tradition let's look at the fourth clip and take a look at what we're talking about to's teachings regard pregnant women as models of meditation because of the recognition of the Superhuman levels of concentration and Transcendence required in labor women are quite literally Al masters of meditation to be studied and learned from all I could find in Islamic sources was some advice about eating dates it's sad and telling that pregnancy and child birth and child rearing are not afford afforded the preeminence in our Scholastic manuals that they ought to just viewed legalistically through the dry prism of juristic formalities so here she says that she Compares Islam and and this is astonishing actually it's actually outrageously ason astonishing because she's comparing Islam with taism okay and she's saying that when you look at the taist tradition you see that the pregnant woman for example she's being described in this way which is she has superhuman meditative capabilities and comparing that with what she found in Islam all she could find is a few scraps here and there about woman taking dates when she's pregnant now this is a ridiculous thing now to my knowledge she does not have access to the Arabic language number one but I will say to you you don't even need access to the Arabic language there are hadiths of an eschatological nature of a spiritual nature for example the Hadith of very famous one if a pregnant woman dies giving birth then she dies a Shah she dies a mat I don't think the Tais tradition or the Christian tradition or the Jewish tradition or any other tradition actually has a Hadith this explicit and this respecting of the woman's position as a pregnant woman exactly the category that you have spoken about is of all things you could have mentioned you mentioned a thing which Islam puts so much stress on and gives so much to respect to women on and I could speak for hours about this actually but it shows with all due respect your ignorance on the matter so for example in chapter number 46 of the Quran where Allah you know Allah mentions about the mother that the woman when she's giving when she's pregnant she's doing so in a state of uh difficulty and when when she's giving birth she's doing so in a diff state of difficulty there is commemoration there is recognition of the woman's position as a pregnant woman okay in the Quran I would argue more than any other ancient religious text okay for you to to make a mockery out of yourself not even the Islamic tradition by misrepresenting the Islamic tradition and saying that well all I could find was a few things here about the dates and this and that Sor it shows your ignorance on this topic it does show your ignorance on this topic but putting that aside okay okay let's get to the Scandal and the title of this video what is the Scandal my friends were sending me some things yesterday after she uh blocked me on um on Twitter and I didn't understand what was going on I mean she she's now attacking the da guys and then she blocked me and then she it turns out this woman has been trying to get my attention since 2022 and she's been uh you know quote tweeting me or whatever it is and saying things let's take a look at the screen and see what we're talking about here referring to uh me and as in Muslim incel Twitter and then on the other hand we the F boys she referred to us famously recently Ali has a video responding to that as F boys okay I'm not going to use the the profanity here but she's referring to us as F boys which if you look at the Urban Dictionary whatever it is that you have to look at means a man who's sexually promiscuous I mean he's going from one to another casual sex and these kind of things but an incell is an involuntary celebrate so am I are we having sex with sorry because it's a contradiction isn't it I mean are we having sex with with all these women or are we involuntary celebrate I mean but why is it the case Mariam sorry I'm going to address you directly now and don't don't get any ideas but why is it the case that whenever you mention either myself or the da sector in general there's some comment of a sexual nature that happens what kind of predatorial behavior is this what kind of harassment is this now this is an honest question both of these both of these things here incel is to do with a person's non-engagement with sex f booy is someone's over engagement with sex why is that whenever you mention the da boys Muhammad hijab or quote to and that try and get his attention try and get their attention huh huh why is it all the time that you're now mentioning making references to sexual intercourse of uh you know in the connotation the subtext of what you're saying what's going on if I were to ask you a question and this is the title of this video what if Andrew Tate had said the same thing andrate somebody and we're not afraid to criticize him with I mean I made a video just last week criticizing the man for his alliances with uh the right wing just last week got 300,000 views but he's been lambasted I mean the mistakes that he's made in the last year okay of a religious nature he's been lambasted by the Muslim Community men and women by the way both both have lambasted him you've been a Muslim for 20 years as a revert yeah you've been a Muslim for over 20 years and you're now making all these mistakes that we've seen here of a theological nature which by the way have not seen any reprimand of surprisingly surprisingly surprisingly Annie and now you are taking a segment a sub segment of Muslim men and you are generalizing them you are speaking about them in this way what if Andrew Tate had said the same thing about Muslim women let's say for example for the sake of argument hijabi influences like substitute da boys with hijabi influences and let's make Andrew Tate the one who said the same statements what kind of outrage would there be the answer to this question quite frankly it shows you the level of mandry that exists in the Muslim community and at large and what is mandry it it is the hatred of men I'm sorry to say this is a reasonable inference to the best explanation why is it that when one makes a mistake and he's been a Muslim for one year that you have all of this attack and you've been a Muslim for 20 years and making all these theological mistakes attacking subsections of Muslim Society using Colonial narratives huh using liberal and feministic narratives which are knowledge Productions of the West now you're imposing them on us you want Islam to fit in line with that that model and you're attacking subsections why is it that you can say that unchecked and unaccounted and if we say anything oh but she's a pro Palestine activist what do you mean what do you mean that she's a pro Palestine she can see what what she wants she she was lecturing for the dean Institute which is her ex-husband Adam Dean who used to be part of quilliam who was colleagues or connected with Tommy Robinson she was part of a ecosystem of anti-islamic propaganda and don't let anyone fool you with all due respect don't let anyone fool you just because somebody claims to be a Muslim like quillian Foundation you have people like maid naaz now he's changing for the better maybe I don't know I'm not going to interrupt the person when they're doing a good deed if he's going if he's repenting and he's going in the right direction good if he's not then Allah will be the judge of him but he was part of that and he was claiming to be a Muslim but at the same time doing everything anti-islamic allying and sitting and collaborating with Tommy Robinson and other far-right people like Sam Harris if you're part of that ecosystem now yeah and you're disseminating this kind of falsehood theological devience with all due respect with all due respect it doesn't matter if you're wherever you're from whatever country you're from whatever gender you are if you as a feminist I'm not even going to judge you by Islam now I'm going to judge you on feminism if you as a feminist want equal rights then prepare to face equal responsibilities I'm not going to discriminate just because you're a woman I'm not going to refrain from refuting you just because you're a woman that would be a disrespect to your feministic sensibilities you will get refuted and repudiated and humiliated even if it needs to be done okay if you come out against any members of our society and just because you had that card I don't know if if you still identify as a Muslim as a Muslim now you can go further than any white feminist could by the way a white feminist canot say the things that you're saying without being labeled as an islamophobe just to let you know and you know just because you had membership of that group at one point in time and once again I don't know if you still maintain membership there that you can go further and in the same video you're attacking you're ATT you're attacking huge Scholars and you can't even speak you can't even uh pronounce enunciate the Arabic language properly and you have the right now you think because you've got you've had some Western education that you can go and attack a whole different tradition with your Colonial mentality no thanks I don't think so my friend but I'm going to end this with a good note because someone will say well guys I understand where you're coming from and you have convinced me I know many women that be watching this video I'm going to say that you have convinced me and yes we do have double standards yes there's a problem with mandrea and society and all that kind of thing you have convinced me haab but let's be honest haab you have some staunch opinions as well you're a bit strict you've been a bit exclusionary with women as well in your discourse putting aside that feministic extreme of mar and franois Sara the Lawrence of Arabia of the Modern Age that's coming in and trying to dis disunite us yeah putting that person to the side you still got stor views and your your discourse is exclusionary what I'm going to say to you is this I hear what you're saying and we're here to make this into a complimentary system men and women should not this these gender Wars we want to create a ceasefire and we need to understand that yes this is a complimentary system men and women should come together and not have this embitterment and this hatred and this unnecessary resentment towards each other in the community and instead we're working together in the community this is what I am now a proponent of I'll be honest with you if there was a war between men and women I take the I take the side of the women I love way more women than I do men trust me there's more way more females that I'd want to protect than men if there was a war between men and women I'd take the side of women putting all that to the side though I'm saying we have a complimentary system we have a shared struggle as a minority we don't want to marginalize ourselves further by infighting we do want Unity which is why and this is going to be Shameless here but I'm going to do a plug here for the series the series that's going to come out and change the world it's called burning hands and it does tell the story of Muslim minorities in the west it tells the story of Muslim minori struggle against far-right people like Tommy Robinson who this person was Loosely connected with we we'll tell the story of our struggle against all of these forces young people men and women yes I know we've gotten some controversy because of it we do have women in the show but we can't tell the story about Muslim people without Muslim women this show is going to come out on the 22nd of July on this channel it's going to be free to watch and it's going to come out at 7:00 London time I'll leave you with the trailer [Music]