e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e good morning good afternoon and good evening to our participants joining us uh from different parts of the world welcome to the webinar leveraging data economy across bricks uh country's digital economy Community my name is karolina fine and I'm head of trading services at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Brazil and I have the honor to be today's Master of Ceremonies for this event the webinar is organized under the Brazilian bricks presidency 2025 as one of the key deliverables of bricks contact group on econ economic and trade issues before we begin here are a few important guidelines this webinar inar will be conducted in English a version with Portuguese subtitles will be available after the event at the end of each panel delegates from Brick's member countries will be able to make some remarks those who wish to share the thoughts and experiences please indicate by raising the hand icon in the zoom platform we will respect the first come first serve principle in allocating speech time we encourage you all to be objective when asking for the floor for those watching at the MDI Channel you are welcome to share your thoughts and questions in the chat throughout the event we kindly ask the panelists and speakers to keep their microphones muted when they are not speaking now to officially kick off the event we will hear from Mr Luis Philipi hisa under Secretary of Industrial Development Innovation trade and services at the ministry of development industry trade and services from Brazil and Ambassador Philip G director for the Department of Financial policy and Investments at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs they will share Brazil's perspective on the challenges posed by data economy in National and international spheres Mr hisa the floor is yours thank you very much dear colleagues from bricks member countries distinguished speakers of this webinar my colleagues officials of the Brazilian government and all attendees watching through our ministry streaming Channel since last year the Brazilian Ministry of development industry trade and services alongside the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other Brazilian government bodies has been deeply engaged in studying and formulating a national policy for the data economy our goal is to support the development of our digital economy in a sovereign and independent manner despite the extansion of data as a key prediction factor and a source of value creation for Nations leading the digital economy race emerging and middle-income countries remain excluded from the wealth appropriation process many of these nations are becoming mere exporters of data as a commodity while importing digital Solutions and services develop developed using the data generated within their territories this new scenario presents a series of challenges on one hand there is a great potential for creating data markets that enhance productivity and lead to new business models for the economy however this development will only yield effective results if there are clear rules ensuring equal access to this asset for all stakeholders a particularly relevant issue concerns who generates data who owns it and who has the right to use it with the widespread adoption of connected devices companies providing such Technologies accumulate a significant volume of data which not always accessible to its rightful owners whether individuals or businessmen this model allows companies collecting such data to use it for purposes that may not always align with the interests of data owners additionally there is the already established lack of transparency in the relationship between digital platforms and their users as well as concerns related to cyber security and National infrastructure rebalancing rebalancing the power dynamics among stakeholders involved in data collection processing treatment and value Generation by creating spaces for thata exchange with greater autonomy so-called data spaces is not just a matter of individual rights it is also a strategy for increasing productivity and competitiveness fostering the emergency of innovative companies and business models in the digital economy this reality also calls for National policies that enables states to negotiate bilateral agreements for data sharing between companies from different countries all these efforts will require the de development of indicators and methodologies to measure this new economy however this remains far from the current capabilities of national statistics institutes and agencies responsible for Taxation and foreign trade regulations a related discussion must also take place in multilateral forums concerning crossborder data flows duties STS for digital services and products and the concept of data sharing bilateral cooperation for exchange recognizing that various bricks countries have been working on this topic over the past three years we deemed it appropriate to propose under Brazil's bricks presidency that the cgti digital economy working group deepened the debate on data as a strategic digital asset crucial for all economies particularly those of the so-called Global South the discussion on the data economy should be linked to International negotiations concerning digital governance initiating this dialogue within bricks for the first time represents an important step in advancing the subject toward Global decision making Arenas as outlined for in our issue note our work over the coming months will focus on achieving a deeper understanding of the elements and variables involved in this process culminating in the adoption of the bricks data economy governance understanding by the Ministers of industry and train establishing core data flow principles to enhance member Count's digital economies today's webinar serves as the starting point for this work which we will carry out in collaboration with the technical teams of our delegations we have chosen to make this discussion open because we recognize that the complexity of the data economy Demands a broader understanding of our possible approach involved it would like to thank N I would like to thank sorry to.br BR to support our efforts to organize this event and all workers involved on it I hope you all find today's discussions insightful and that we have a rich and productive semester of work ahead thank you and enjoy the webinar thank you very much Mr hyst we now here from Ambassador philli you have the floor thank you very much kolina and uh thank you all for joining us today for the the webinar uh it's the first uh official event of the bricks uh contact group on trade economy and investment under the Brazilian presence digital economy is a longstanding agenda item in the B calendar at the trade track specifically the issue is one of the five pillars of Brick's strategic economic partnership which will be updated this year in 2022 the e-commerce task force was upgraded to the digital economy working group under the contact group of among the areas of cooperation we have agreed with is sharing of experiences on regulatory matters related to the digital economy data is at the core of the digital economy it's the fundamental element upon which the structure of the digital world is based as such it's also a key component of any development strategy of the 21st century economy one of the main challenges in addressing data governance is the different aspects that come to attention when raising the issue the security aspects as well as the personal data protection Dimension are important considerations that have been under the spotlight and correctly so in our opinion however the developmental aspect of thata governance has been somehow neglected up until recently the impementation of the digital transformation of the industry depends above all on the on data governance policies in the face of a lack of minimal International consensus on crossb data flows on competition rules for the platform economy transfer of Technology financing for data processing infrastructure the role of intellectual property rights and the importance of governance in providing quality data for the industry we have been witnessing a proliferation of national regulations in the data area in The Last 5 Years alone around 2,000 new data regulations have been adopted in different countries in addition 116 free trade agreements contain commitments in the area of crosswater data flows this scenario of fragmentation is a challenging a challenge for the integration of developing countries into the global digital economy the broadening landscape of investment in the digital economy and the insertion of micro small and medium Enterprises from the global South in global value chains despite this daunting scenario we believe that there is opportunity with bricks to reset the international debate last year both at the international level and within bricks there have been a growing acknowledgement for the importance of that governance for the dev development policies at the UN we have concluded the global digital compact which dedicates a whole session to the topic in Kazan as well our leaders acknowledged the centrality of data governance for development looking forward two main challenges arise in international calendar the implementation of the data governance working group under the UN commission for Science and Technology for development and the organization of the 16th o that these are opportunities that present themselves to address the digital economy challenge with that de development land thata governance will never be an easy issue trust security privacy personal data protection are part of the discussion but so are development competition industry digitalization expansion of Digital Services and access to technology We Believe bricks can bring a valuable contribution to the international debate that is the reason we have chosen thata governance is our third priority in the program of the bricks great track thank you and enjoy the S thank you thank you both very much for your insightful remarks we now move on the key to the keynote speech on the importance of data economy to develop digital sovereignty it is my pleasure to introduce Luca belly Professor director of the center for technology and society and coordination of the Cyber bricks project Professor the floor is yours for 15 minutes good morning to everyone morning to uh fellow Ricks friends it's an immense honor to be here today and to uh share this initial moment of the webinar with Dr Philip and also with the master Philip Fox uh it's a great pleasure really to be here and uh really I would see this as a sort of culmination of the past six years of studies on bricks digital policies and politics that we have undertaken with with in the Cyber bricks project of of my center of Center for technology and Society at fgv law schol so what I want to share with you today uh is a little bit of the research we have conducted over the past six years uh that to many in to many level overlaps and intersects with the issues of data governance and digital sovereignty and so let me uh start by sharing a little bit of a presentation that I for you today so that you can have also some references of all the the uh research we have developed that is all in Open Access uh you find it all uh consolidated at the website cyber bricks doino everything in Open Access so my my uh my goal of today is to R tackle uh three main issues uh and to try to uh provide some food for thought to have some sort of uh systemic thinking about uh data governance and how it interets with uh digital sovereignty first of all then I want to try to have an understanding of what is digital sovereignty which is uh one of the key issues that have has been mentioned by President Lula recently uh in in his remarks uh right before our Carnival break on what is particularly relevant in terms of AI governance at the at the international level and why these overlaps with data governance as an essential Resource as it has been very eloquently stated by Dr pH Lis Philipe and by Ambassador Philip Fox uh just a few minutes ago now then after this let's get into why to regulate data uh we cannot only think about data regulations and this is may sound counterintuitive but actually when we analyze digital sovereignty examples we understand why regulation is not the only tool of Regulation and then we we move to how we can promote interoperability both legal interoperability and Technical interoperability and why this is essential to have the the global data framework that the world leaders in the Kazan declaration has uh have Express their intention to start uh promoting right so first let's get into what is digital sovereignty we have just released three months ago in December in Open Access This Book C uh published by Cambridge University press on digital sovereignty in the bricks countries uh that is a collection of the analysis some of the analysis of the past uh three years with regard to very to various uh topics the book is in open access both in C on Cyber brickinfo and on the website of the editor Cambridge University press and uh so we we took an agnostic approach to digital sovereignty because we are perfectly uh uh we perfectly understand that this entails a lot of different conceptions uh it's a label utilized by many different government uh increasingly by by by large corporations and each of them has something through behind it so there are many different conception we explore seven different conception of it spanning from the micro level the individual level to the community level the corporate level the state level the supranational level and each of them it boils down to our work in definition which is the exercise of agency power and control in shaping digital infrastructure data services and protocols and this is essential in order to understand the technology we use to develop it and to regulate it according to our values and so we know very well that there are a lot of different expressions of digital sovereignty we map a lot of them of although of course this is not exhaustive our mapping and then I would like to focus on a couple of example of what I I call good digital sovereignty and they started to to to to work on this a couple of years ago during the uh T20 uh um call for papers organized under the Indian leadership of the G20 and so I highlighted that there are very good examples of what is good digital sovereignty as the capacity to understand develop and regulate digital technology that comes from various different bricks countries especially there are two very good examples from Brazil and India I would like to to mention now uh I'm not sure if all the participants are aware about uh uh what now is great success story in Brazil picks our uh digital infrastructure for electronic payments and so I would like to stress why this is a very good example of good digital sovereignty so before the adoption of pic is a software uh created by the Brazilian Central Bank and implemented by all uh Financial intermediaries in the countries in four years has become the main tool to process electronic payments 247 in the country so before F the only way Brazilians had to process payments electronic payments 24/7 was through the Visa and Master Guard networks which meant that to every single transaction three to 5% of the transaction went to Visa Mastercard and still to dat is that is the situation not only in Brazil but uh pretty much the entire Global South plus uh several other developed countries and so with the introduction of pics this uh this duopoly of Visa MasterCard to foreign corporations that collect 3 to 5% per transaction has been disrupted and what is very interesting here is not only that consumers have 3 to 5% more in their pockets to for the local economy but also that few people understand that Visa Mastercard are to Big Data companies they are to AI companies over the past 10 years most of their value and and revenue is not been generated by the three or 5% charge but by the data analytics they are able to develop based on the collection so the great disruptive value of pics as a local digital public infrastructure has not only to revert 3 to 5% of the money in the pockets of Brazilian individuals which is already an enormous success as not only to disrupt a duopoly that would have been impossible to disrupt simply through competition law which is already an enormous success but has been to democratize and distribute data collection and processing allowing even local entrepreneurs and local Enterprises to generate Innovation and revenue which is taxed in Brazil and benefits the Brazilian local community so this is a very good example of what digital sovereignty and good digital sovereignty can do for the local community now let me move to another example in another publication we have recently released in October in the context of our special issue on digital transformations in the brics countries where we analyze how the brics countries have leveraged their digital transformation strategies to assert digital sovereignty and to assert also control on data assets right so here is what we call data sovereignty is really the capacity to understand how and why personal data or data in general are processed and by whom develop data processing capabilities and effectively regulate data processing so we analyzed the the the various profile of this uh uh of data sovereignty in this paper so cyber security profiles data protection profiles but also the economic and and strategic autonomy profiles and that is very important especially in in countries like Brazil where technological autonomy is a con tional priority under article 2019 of our Federal Constitution so it's it's something is an objective our constitutional fathers embedded in the Constitution and so here isn't interesting because thanks to this analysis we understood that we have to go beyond data regulations data regulations is essential is necessary but not sufficient so we have to adopt if we want to understand to shape data governance we have to adopt a systemic approach to understand what are the key enablers of the data economy and try to strengthen them or even build them in as in the case of PS in order to to strengthen our local economy right and this may pass through the elaboration of legislation but frequently passes through the elaboration of innovation and the support of local Innovation and so industrial policy is the second pillar that is essential and is a consequence of this uh research and development of on what are the key neighbor then you have to to strengthen them to support them with specific industrial policies with specific budget defining specific responsibility about who does who and also metrics to assess the the success or not of your strategy and here uh a couple of examples coming from China and India I think are particularly interesting on how to do this uh in the case few people know that actually pxs is something that the Brazilian Central Bank has to strong inspiration from the Indian UPI uniform payment infrastructure and the Indians have this uh very interesting approach to data governance and to governance through digital public infrastructure which is a tool of governance it shapes the economy it shapes the society not through regulation in the classic sense the law with prescriptions but through the creation of infrastructures and this is tremendous example of how this is much more effective than regulation and and how leading emerging economies like India are leading the path into this new conception this third way of regulating through infrastructure and then China is a fantastic example of industrial policy uh the Stellar examples like deep seik and its recent success are the result of 10 years a decade of multiple industrial policies spanning from the the 2017 uh plan development plan for AI but also the understanding that AI in itself it's just a label if we don't think about the facilitators the software and the hardware that allow to collect and process data AI is just a nice word so that is why in 2015 China adopted also the internet plus strategy to connect the entire country and Foster big data analytics and also the the made in China 20 25 strategy to cre to fer the production of Robotics and connected object that could collect data process data and leverage the data economy at the at the national level now uh just to uh uh conclude because I I'm mindful of the I'm having only two minutes and a half left uh how do we achieve data sovereignty while also promoting secure and trustworthy data flows which is the objetive the objective of the bricks leaders stated in Kazan declaration well we can leverage uh interoperability and that is something that I started working on some years ago with uh my uh friend and colleague Dan donetta and Co that sadly passed away exactly uh some days after publishing this paper and so we have decided to dedicate to his memory the book that this paper was meant to be the introduction for our uh upcoming book on personal data architectures in the bricks countries where we explore how the bricks regulate personal data how they leverage their policies but also their Innovation through buil effective governance infrastructures and here are some a little bit I want to share a little bit of of elements of the conclusion of this work in the last minute I have at my disposal so in this final paper where we try to uh identify the macr trends that we that we describe along the research uh we not only compare the the various approaches utilized by the the classic bricks if you want Brazil Russia India China and in South Africa but also the new ones that have just joined the six countries that have joined over the past year but also we we try to distill which could be the normative and operational principles that apply to build this kind of global data framework that I think I believe I truly believe the the bricks country can lead in constructing globally so we distill this principles so very happy to share also this with with colleagues from the Brazilian uh Min of Foreign Affairs to uh uh try to work together on this we propose also model contractural closes for the transfer of personal data and this is a key tool because we all know that even with excellent principles it would take years if not decades to adopt a global data framework through international law means but with model contractural closes that is a much more agile tool and we have proposed a concrete uh option for this combining the bricks Frameworks and the restrictions and also the tools that the bricks already allow to use to facilitate data flows and so I really truly hope that this this work could be of use it will published hopefully in July of this year so right during the bricks Summit but very happy to share with you the findings with of course with the uh permission of our uh publisher Oxford University Press thank you very much for your attention and I hope I been uh right on time to deliver this initial fo for off thank you very much thank you many times Professor uh belly for your insightful presentation on the current apologies stage of bricks digital policies and the challenges that we face in drawing um a development oriented uh um framework for for data so uh thank you again Ambassador philli and Mr H for for today's opening remarks and we move on now to panel one uh on digital economy policies Based on data assets we will discuss National digital economy policies that are transforming industrial and trade Landscapes I have the honor today to moderating this panel and to hear examples of data policy that have driven growth in bricks economies we have an exceptional group of experts and policy makers and my thanks to all of them to accept the invitation today we are joined by Mr tojon fredericksen head of ecommer and digital economy at anad Mr who jumo president of China National Data development Institute Miss dini mahaa executive director of satu Indonesia Secretariat Miss Lilian Melo secretary for digital rights at the ministry of Justice in Brazil thank you all for coming our speakers will explore the following questions strategies and for scaling and expanding data market organizations globally the role of data economy in enhancing Global productivity and Fair competition main challenges facing bricks countries in establishing digital economy ecosystems I propose we start with anad to set the scene and then we follow with the country's policy makers tun the floor is yours for seven minutes thank you thank you very much uh it's a great pleasure to be here can I just verify if you're able to see my slides yes we can see them oh very good right excellencies ladies and gentlemen greetings from Geneva it is a truly a great pleasure to be here and I would like to start by thanking uh both the um organizers for having invited Ana to participate in this dialogue and also really commend uh Professor B for an excellent keynote presentation H data have become as has been mentioned a foundation of much what is going on in our economies influencing everything from trade and finance to health care and education they are transforming how value is created how businesses compete and how countries POS position themselves while the digital transformation is unfolding very rapidly economic benefits from this trend are captured very unevenly let me call them bricks plus countries with your vast markets growing digital ecosystems and Technical potential are in a particularly good position to influence this Dynamic and I would like to share with you some of anat's insights on leveraging data for Value capture and development drawing on our digital economy report as well as some work we have done together with the G20 how we deal with data matter greatly for development Digital Data are now core to all fast emerging digital Technologies they arise from the digital Footprints of personal social and business activities that we all are taking place online this chart here provides an illustration of the massive growth of Digital Data flows that we have seen in the past two decades or so Global Internet Protocol IP traffic which can be seen as a proxy for data flows Grew From about 100 Gaby of data per day in 1992 to more than 46,000 gab per second in 20 in 2017 and last year it is estimated that Global IP traffic reached 382,000 Gigabyte per second fueled by more uh more people and more things becoming connected to the internet internet and this is just the beginning with more people yet coming online the spread of The Internet of Things the greater use of ever more powerful artificial intelligence Solutions the amount of Digital Data produced will grow significantly in the coming years in and of themselves data are of very limited value however once the Digital Data are transformed into what we have labeled digital intelligence they can be monetized in various ways or used to create social value to society having access to good data is therefore increasingly important but it's not sufficient to create value to transform the data into digital intelligence countries need also to have the ability to collect store analyze and transform the data once the data have been transformed into digital intelligence there are different ways to create value including by developing artificial intelligence Solutions making production networks and Supply chains more efficient boosting Innovation creating individualized services on online selling targeted advertising space and charging a commission on e-commerce platforms to mention a few examples now gre's countries are generating vast amounts of data but with some important exceptions in most of them the potential for domestic wealth creation and technological development is not yet fully exploited and to address existing balances imbalances with respect to value creation public policies are essential they can help to leverage opportunities and to address challenges and concerns emerging from the data driven digital economy in this context a few policy areas are particularly important countries need strong digital infrastructure and and to overcome connectivity divides skills shortages in the public and private sector as well as throughout Society effective limit the positive development impact of data in many countries greater efforts are still needed to build Trust online and to raise awareness of the potential of datadriven Technologies given the global nature of digitalization there is also a growing need for policymaking at the international level and some of the areas have already been alluded to in the keynote they include competition policies taxation education environment Innovation and and Industrial as well as trade policy given the considerable digital and data device that still remain International cooperation related to data for development has also become more relevant we have heard about references to the governance of data and data flows and this is highly fragmented around the world in our digital economy report 2021 we looked at National approaches to crossb data Flows In selected countries and we found that they could be placed into three broad categories governance involving strict or partial data localization requirements governance involving conditions for data transfers and governance with relatively pre crossb data flows and as you can see in this Slide the bricks plus countries appeared mainly in one of the first two categories of governance also as mentioned earlier data are multi-dimensional and countries use different approaches to government as knowledge partner under the Indonesian G20 presidency anad undertook a survey of G20 members to examine how they regulated their data flows in this context we made a few observations that may be relevant to the discussion first that data flows are different from trade and therefore need to be treated differently even though low data flows matter a lot to trade they are not the same there are different kinds of data National regulations refer to personal and non-personal data sensitive and critical data but it's not always clear from the various National regulations what is meant by these different terms remaining digital and data device risk leaving most developing countries mainly as providers of raw data rather than value creators to date International agreements with a component on data governance are T are typically too limited geographically or to narrow in scope moving forward it will be important to find common ground in the area of data governance and to strive towards a framework at the global level that can ensure more Equitable sharing of benefits while at the same time managing risks so my last slide here some recent steps indicate growing recognition of the importance of global data governments we have had data discussions feature at the bricks level as well as at the G20 level and moreover the global digital compact agreed upon last September by all UN member states includes language aimed at bridging digital divides and to improve data governance on crossb data flows member states committed to Advan consultations among all relevant stakeholders to better understand commonalities complementarities convergence and Divergence between regulatory approaches on how to facilitate crossb data flows with trust and in our capacity as the Secretariat of the commission on science technology for development and that has been tasked with establishing a dedicated working group on data governance to facilitate discussions on how to achieve Equitable and interoperable data governance Arrangements the first meeting is scheduled to take place in April backtack with the annual session of the cstd I'm happy to note that four bricks Plus members Brazil China Egypt and India will be represented in the working group this participation represents a fantastic opportunity for bricks to influence the discussion on global data governance for example by stressing the need for a fair distribution of value generated from data flow with that thank you so much again for your attention and I look forward to the discussion thank you thank you uh so much tun for a tful description of the challenges that we face in addressing public policies to capture the value of data for the digital economy we now hear from Mr hu Jimbo president of the China National data in development Institute it is a pleasure to us to hear how you is facing the challenges of data econ Mr who you have seven minutes thank you thank you very much uh distinguished leader BX and friends from the brick countries good afternoon I'm glad to attend today's meeting and share our main practice and experience of the promoting digital economy devopment in China uh I asked my colleagues to share the screen and I I hope everybody can see it China's digital economy has continued to expand with core Industries such as the information transmission software and information uh technology uh service computer Communications and other electronic equipment manufacturing persistently increasing their added value the total volume of data output under the computing power ranks second globally demonstrating robust development momentum this achievements are the result of the efforts in the foll areas first the large scale investment in the digital infrastructure China has built in the world's largest gigabit optical fiber and the mobile worldand net with its 5G Bas station accounting for about 60% of the global total through the East data West Computing project eight Nation Computing HS have been established around the country creating the words second large Computing infrastructure the second is about data uning the vity of the data factor market businesses engaged in the data processing data brage and the compliance certification have emerged rapidly and the date TR trading institutions have been continuously improved so far there are 24 State Trading institutions in China playing a crucial role in promoting the security and utilization of data third deepening digital transformation China has implemented digital transformation projects in the industry Agriculture and service industry internet applications have been integrated into 49 major categories of the national economy where e-commerce and Mobile payment scales have n world over the years within a mobile payment ranking first globally the force is the developing inclusive digital public service over 90% of government service are now available online and the number of the Internet Health Care users has exceeded 6 360 million the continously development of smart cities smart transportation and smart Health Care has significantly enhanced the well-beings of the people the fifth promoting Mery beneficial digital coroporation China actively participates in under the formulation of the multilateral and bilateral International rules accelerating the construction of the digital SE load the number of the SEC Ro e-commerce partner countries have increased to the 33 and 14 countries jointly issued the Beijing initiative on the digital economy International cooperation under the Bel and Road initiatives de colleagues and Friends bricks countries have already carried out BR for cooperation in the B economy as of the 2024 bricks needs had have had 16 submits proposing multiple cooperation initiatives on the digital economic government in the future by further string corporations bricks countries can jointly Drive the deployment development and the innovation of digital economy contributing to the digital transformation of brick countries and other countries of the global Subs so here we have some suggestions first we welcome all bricks countries to support in the global crossb date flow cooperation initiative to facilitate efficient and convenience crossborder date roles last year China released the global cross water date flow cooperation initiative offering constructive solutions to the governance issues of the crossb data flows that are of the common concern we suggest that brick bricks countries enhanced communication and coordination jointly develop relevant standards and rules explore mature recognition and alignment of the multilateral and the bilateral rules and increase exploration of Technical Solutions for crossw dat grow ensuring smooth State secution among brick countries and lay laying a solid foundation for the development of the digital industry of of the date industry second we propos coroporation uh collaborative coroporation in specific areas to help brid the digital divide taking the AI arici intelligence as an example we welcome all parties to implement the resolutions on the enhancing International cooperation for the AI Compass Beauty which uh spere headed by the China at 78 UN General Assembly the this solution this resolution callon co-sponsored by more than 140 countries focus on AI capactive building encouraging policy exchanges knowy sharing techn technology transfer Personnel training and research cooporation to achieve inclusive and sustainable development of AI it aims to help developing countries briding the digital and the intelligent AI devid through the competitive building third we call upon all Bri countries to support the prosperous development of the digital e econ economy ecosystem by leveraging the expertise of third party professional service providers in dat Consulting compliance certification security auditing quality evaluation and dispute arbitration we can ensure that this service are simly provided across three countries exploring diverse parts to unlock the value of data and stimulating the innovation fality of the data driven and prices will strengthen the foundation for the development of the G economy thanks for your attention I'm looking forward the discussion thank you thank you very much Mr who it was a fascinating uh um journey to to to China's experience thank you very much for sharing that with us we now move move on to miss mahaa Indonesia's um director for satu Indonesia is currently developing its own data governance policy please miss marafa could you share with us some insights from your first Years thank you very much for accepting our invitation thank you um so is it possible for me to do also SL uh share yeah anyone can see my slide okay um just let me know if my time is is up because I don't think I can see the timer uh on my S but actually uh thank you for invitation it's a very short um notification but we are really happy to share what we have with you all uh so uh one data India or we call it satu data me is a one in Indonesian language it's kind of like an initiative coming from the government of Indonesia starting in 2019 and uh as Professor um belly mentioned that thata governance is really a crucial uh an important role when we are uh one to um like uh pushing inability across the country so as you already know St that Indonesia is the second uh largest population we have 285 million and across the country we have 177,000 islands and uh we also have almost 100 agencies in Indonesia and we have 514 cities across the country so in order to kind of like uh imposing um a program and then also want to connect one another uh we understand that um having data governance become very crucial um Spectrum in our country so the existing uh condition before like several time uh years ago even some uh even like some part of this condition we still also have a problem but uh we understand that um when we want to kind of like combining joining uh uh data especially we when we do not really have a standard it's it's going to be very impossible uh because every entities every organization every agencies across the country not only at the national level but also at the local level they're going to be producing data with their own standard so it's really hard for us how to kind of like uh pushing intable across the country without any standard so and also lacking um uh integration and also lack of digital Talent uh across the country at that time uh that's why our president um mandated a new act in to uh 2019 to uh supporting and also imposing a um a program uh that we called one data Indonesia uh hopefully by uh creating this governance we want to making sure that all data can be available uh it's not only available but it's supposed to be an accurate data update integrated easily to be accessed and it can be shared across at least across uh government agencies and then this is kind of like a simple um uh cycles of our uh data governance so uh to making sure that we are understanding the need needs and demand of our countries we try to squeeze uh like our national development planning uh document so current uh like onea Indonesia is under the ministry of national development planning and we have 20 years plan five years plan and also annual plan so according to this document we have a very long list of Target indicators uh what data that going to be needs for uh in order for the government to to run uh all the Target and also achieve the target not only statistical data special data and also transactional data so we creating kind of like a long list uh of the data from this document we squeezing and then we kind of like setting up like a metadata guideline and uh we signing which uh agency need to produce what so this is is also the first step of the uh our data governance so now we understand the needs of the government and then who's going to be producing uh the data and then at some point we going to be um having all data connecting one another uh through one portal so we have portal uh one data Indonesia portal is an open data uh portal Unfortunately today we have a maintenance if you open our uh portal you cannot really see the data set but actually we have almost 400,000 data sets that connecting all data from the uh agencies uh government agencies not only at the national level but also local level and we want to making sure that all the data going to be following the standard that we already uh set up together with our national statistical office our national special office and also now we are preparing a governance for Digital Data because we are preparing even now I'm in New delh we are try to like learning from India in how they are um uh developing their digital public infrastructure also through data governance and then um this is the features of our portal so every uh we have like a certain access for public public users uh for also government users and also internal so we are following gdpr standard uh we are making sure that there is no personal information going to be exposed in this portal and we we try to kind of like um helping all the government sites to uh accessing data so we have kind of like a different level it's an open limited and also so um uh restricted data for restricted data it's only a certain level and Indonesian government who can have an access to that information and we also have a public data which is everyone can see from our portal uh we try to make uh the data available by today but unfortunately our data center right now is under uh maintenance that's why we cannot really open uh fully that uh our data but tomorrow it's supposed to be available and we have almost like 400,000 data sets and now we are cating some of data and hopefully by creating a standard following uh the same data reference that's going to be EAS easier for us to do synchronize from National level to the local level even from the local level to the National level so the next step what we are want to do by occupying and also leveraging uh data that we have we are now creating kind of like a task force at the national level to creating like um citizen Centric uh to be uh platform so that's why we are try to learning from several uh countries including now uh I'm in India try to digg in how uh digital public infrastructure in Indonesia been uh if in India been developed and one data Indonesia taking lead uh in uh data governance for uh digital public infrastructure because we really want to making sure that a data exchange can be there by also complying with all the amended from gdpr but we really want to making sure that uh all the um Society especially Indonesia can get benefit from the luxur of the data itself because we already have data even now we are just publishing a unified data uh that link to our uh digital ID uh a unique ID from the uh from the government so now by leveraging digital ID data exchange we also want to connect with digital payment uh and we are trying to uh like creating integrated uh service from the government and this year we plan to have kind of like um uh like a project short project small project that um Can leveraging this data for social Protection Program so hopefully by having this integrated uh data and also a unified and also a single data coming from one data Indonesia uh then now we will have a single source of Truth and then hopefully by getting uh this uh correct and also reliable data we can also do share with other countries our uh best practices that we have uh in the near future uh that's going to be our uh presentation and even I'm my time is up right now so hopefully it can give you like a little um description about what we have in Indonesia regarding especially for a digital governance thank you thank you very much Miss Maha it was a fascinating H presentation thanks a lot for sharing with us so we finally come to the last speaker of this first panel it is really an honor to me to introduce Miss Lilian Melo secretary for digital rights at the Brazilian Ministry of G Justice Lilian we just heard about the challenges faced in Indonesian and other country so how can we reach a balance between personal data protection and policy framework for data economy that works for development and for the private sector as well please the floor is yours for seven minutes [Music] just checking can you hear me because my okay thank you Kina Karina so dear organizers panelists representing unad China and Indonesia all attendees from brick countries it's a great great pleasure to be here today thank you for the opportunity to participate iate in this dialogue on leveraging data economy across Brick's digital economy I want also to congratulate Professor B on his amazing keynote presentation at the beginning of this morning so going directly to the answer that I I just received uh in today's digital age n National policies and the global sou in the global South that Foster data markets including data Exchange changes data sharing data spaces are Paramount so while the emerging data economy lies at the hurt of innovative economic systems it also poses new challenges for legal framework including the protection of personal data intellectual property rights as already said today and also leveling the digital playing field with Anti-Trust policies and cyber security standards as we hear today from our colleague from mtac uh data flows have grown dramtic dramatically and now we have artificial intelligence Solutions internet of things and many other technologies that buzzes to us a great challenge so uh the economic use of data is a crucial asset and it's very very important for economic and social development of brick countries and must be compatible with the protection of fundamental rights in a way that we ensure legal ceranity and economic trust so particularly in the case of the protection of personal data the free circulation of information concerns both personal data and the free um sorry personal data which requires a higher level of protection and nonpersonal data such as aggregated or anonymized data sets uh it's important to highlight here that the term um nonpersonal data is defined uh negatively in relation to the term personal data so we don't have in Brazil a law that uh defines nonpersonal data but we can also understand it as a personal data that can uh become nonpersonal as a result of application for example of data anonymization techniques uh I completely understand that today we have a a huge discussion if full anonymization is really possible or even if the costs of using these techniques uh are really uh something that smaller companies can use so uh I'm not saying this to put put here kind of a limitation of the debate but just to understand that we have challenges and that we have to address those Challenge in a way that we from a perspective of Regulation can uh understand this and go to the next steps so for example the definition of non personal data or for example the definition of personal data as broad or in a limited way should be a very important thing to bear in mind so we can uh go to the next steps of this debate here in Brazil we have a National Data Protection Law And it establishes important and mandatory guidelines for the collection processing and storage of personal data uh here we say that it was modeled on the uh gdpr in the EU in the in Europe but kindly or but uh with some um uh adjustments to the Brazilian reality but we can say that the modeling uh comprehends the European perspective so um here what is really important to understand is that purpose of the law is to guarantee that that data processing is respecting the rights of its holders given them the power of self-determination over their use of their data however it does not aim to regulate the market where personal data is traded here is where policies Based on data assets come into play and here is the point that we have to discuss further although this right based approach as we call the European model may seem opposite to the idea of digital transformation of the industry they do not necess necessarily need to be antagonistic and in my opinion they are complimentary so it's really important that we start to find the common ground between data protection and for example data as asset or uh data legs and policies that are focusing on Industrial and trade policies and data governments uh in a way that we balance regulation um as we today uh from the example of Indonesia data governance encompasses technical policy and Regulatory Frameworks to manage data so we have here a complex uh uh space where many elements are together and have to be understand and have to be uh uh put in a way that we can comprehend all this complex uh space and for uh and and in my opinion I think we have two places where we have to focus first is regulatory convergency so harmonization or a common ground among data protection agencies is really important if we want to promote National policies for Market data and also an international or as our colleague from China could hear across border data flows uh it's also something really important so if we have to uh if we want to uh have a solid foundation for the digital economy this is something really important when we talk about um for personal data protection I'm just ending my time and I don't want to go further so in in my conclusion I just want to say that fostering data economy and protecting personal data braas personal data rights should be seen as complementary not exclusionary in any way so we we at the Brazilian Ministry of Justice are very enthusiastic and supportive of the data economy policy proposal being drafted by the ministry of development industry trade and services in Brazil and we are uh very enthusiastic as I said and we really believe that we can find this common ground and understand this as a complementary space uh when we talk about regulation and when we talk about personal data thank you very much thank you so much lelan for your insights there was a very um challenging uh scenario that we face in from the regulatory perspective thank you so much for sharing with us um and also thanks to all panelists that shared their insights today following our program we are actually uh running out of time for the first panel uh we I'll open up a Q&A session if there are any questions from the room please indicate if you want to ask for the floor by raising your icon hand in Zoom if not I don't see any hands reason well considering that we have a very short time short of time that we have already moved into the panel two timeline time frame so I think we just move directly to panel two uh since there are no no questions raised at the floor so thank you all for your questions and thanks once more for accepting the Brazilian presidency uh invitation to take part in this webinar today thank you we now move on to panel two which is uh dedicated to concrete proposals to J generate value from data in the bricks countries we will explore private and public projects aimed at generating value for National markets through the data economy data markets included as Lilian was saying data exchanges data sharing and data spaces are some of the examples that have been considering in different countries from the governmental side investing National Data infrastructure ensuring quality data for Citizens and the private sector is a necessary step to build up a sound data economy policy to moderate this panel it is an honor to to welcome James ggen from the ministry of development industry and trade from Brazil James the floor is yours uh thank you Caroline U hello everyone my name is James garan as karolina said I'm from I'm from I'm public servant from the general coordination for digital economy of MDI and I have the honor today of moderate this webinars second panel uh we want to exploit here uh some projects and initiatives that are building concrete alternatives for the national digital markets based on date economy this includes uh segments and stakeholders conducting activities related to data products data governance data intermediaries and data public goods uh today we we are joined by Alberto Palomo uh Chief strategy officer the project g x from C I think Albert is is from is in Brussels not uh we have also Jo Bru rep CEO and one the the founders of the project solid with sir team berners Lee together with him also Lee SE founder of the fuky FY institution from China and my colleague Rodriguez Dr pre CEO we are our uh it state owned um company uh leading one of the the leader of the National Data infrastructure in Brazil uh our speakers will explore we suggest this question this talks to more or less in this uh in this direction examples of data projects and initiatives dedicated to indexing markets and generate public value from The Collection processing treatment use and monetization of personal and non personal data sets by governments cooperatives or private sector also a strategy and existing legislation for personal data monetization and empowerment of data management by citizen the for the last uh data governance for sing single digital markets from digital assets data spaces and data sharing I propose we can start with guia x with Alberto uh to set the scene and then we follow with the other initiatives Mr Palomo the floor is yours for seven minutes thank you um can you hear me okay yeah yeah perfect perfect well first of all thank you very much to to you James and and in general to the uh initiative by the bricks um so what I'm going to present to you today the GX initiative which is an open source initiative um that kind of um sets the foundation for um you know a bunch of different data data projects that we that I will uh uh sort of uh superficially introduce today obviously there not um I am trying to I believe I should be able to share my are you guys able to see yeah perfect it's not in presentation mode yet uh yes okay it should be fairly easy to to see so what what really is GX you know and there's been a lot of talk in the um in the media and in general about GX being a sort of a cloud platform it is related to cloud and in fact I work for the GX European Association for data and Cloud but we're not so much a cloud platform itself but rather a standard for how to use cloud data and and and you know this is the very generic sort of U slide on the uh value of the data economy um you know I won't go into the details but you can see there are some figures uh for 2030 as forecasted by the European commission and and several studies you know with the idea in particular that in 2030 the economy of the European 27 countries uh will be um the DAT economy will be roughly 6.5% of the total GDP um also quite interestingly the compound annual growth rate of the EU cloud computing Market which is uh by 2030 uh over 20% of uh growth year toe um with also the understanding that uh only a small percentage of that is actually captured by European providers of cloud services and so how to really benefit from from all these um tropes or richness from this data well the problem is that data Still Remains inside right so that's uh sort of the idea of data sharing that the commission but also other countries have uh have identified and so I have a simple um diagram for how data sharing which is not exactly a new thing has evolved all the way from you know bilateral data exchange which happens every day when we send each other emails but in a more sort of procedural or formal way with the electronic data interchange from the 1960s right um but of of course the adoption of that across Market players remains low because it's it's point to point um you know a few years later or a few decades later we get into a sort of a data sharing within a close community so a few to few data sharing um but we really want to move to sort of decentralized and dynamic data ecosystems so many to many data sharing and um for that the problem is uh scale up you know uh it's challenging to scale up any kind of technical solution because there's organizational um and cultural trust reasons beyond the purely technical so for example stakeholders will not know each other um each may have their own definition of what trust means and they certainly tend to operate under different legal or contractual Frameworks so that's where this idea of data space as a solution data space cons comes about um a data space is not a technical uh it's not only a technical construct it's a it's a common infrastructure but it's a common governance model where trust is built in a way that it's um it it it provides trust across a distributed environment so what it really does is create interoperability um to be able to to achieve that decentralized and dynamic data ecosystems what we think it's needed for that is a standardization which is what really goes under this idea of of data space of commonality of governance and and and infrastructure and and trust and and I want to really explain um with with an example with an analogy what the gy extr framework is you know and and uh I sometimes use this example of international travel right so um different countries in some foray which I'm not sure what those are have agreed to what is the information requiring from incoming Travelers you know when when people when Travelers go from one country to another this is sort of the content the informational content in a passport in the aspect of Di data spaces um our members we're an association a nonprofit Association they agree on policies for cloud and data for example related to cyber security for portability of data for portability of data services for sustainability of of of data centers um going back to the international travel examples there's an agreement on the format of passports and visas you know that countries allow to one another and likewise um our members are defining an architecture and uh technical standards for the GX trust framework um once you have passports um defined and with the content of those passports each country has its own process and authorities to issue set passport to its citizens and in the case of of um data spaces this is beyond the realm of scope of of Gaia data spaces will establish their own onboarding process so participants of that data space um will have to go go through that process to get issued a you know so-called passport for a data space um this is typically set up by the data space governance Authority um you know and the purpose of that data space governance Authority is to describe the compliance framework to being part of s data space so it defines its own rules its own schemes ontology for definition of terms and also the trust anchors you know who can provide trust um you know and they do that by leveraging the guy technology that was developed on this side right so the GX technology is a foundational standard that allows to uh agree the participants of a data space to agree on our architecture on technical standards but also on what different terms for cloud and data policies mean and um but it's the data space that actually sort of takes that and uh amplifies it or extends it with its particular scope or domain of action and then finally once it's actually operational um in the case of the example um the incoming country will Define what the different visitors need to uh abide by and in the case of the data space um it defines the rules um that the data space participants need to comply with and he monitors their behavior and that's exactly what the architectural and the technical standards alongside the policies are able to to provide um since I don't have a lot of time I'll speed up on this uh that trust framework um goes from policies that are defined in the GX Community to uh code and development some of which is done by the Association some of the is done by members some of them is done by a larger development community and then we have a bunch of service providers that sort of run it and then uh that code that foundational layer is then utilized by by projects projects like this we have Lighthouse data spaces which are kind of the top tier of uh oper and and and and um features um Lighthouse projects there's quite a lot along different Industries all of which try to uh follow the guidelines and the architecture of GX and then those that are starting our projects that are qualified that probably just started and they get help from from us um but moreover we also have a bunch of different hubs across Europe some International and also quite a few in progress those are sort of our local communities that uh where a lot of these projects happen and where people kind of talk their own local language to be able to really build a lot of these um uh apply these foundations and also domain ecosystems or working groups you know within the Aeros space the energy Logistics manufacturing media so all of these are different uh elements within the GX um Extended ecosystem to really apply this GX standard thank you very much thank you Roberto thank you very much for your uh words for for us and to be to be to have accepted the invitation this is a GX is an inspiring initiative was born in the environment of data act and data governance act at EU and uh we we need to P attention about this initiative and efforts uh going ahead we have now John Bruce uh inter CEO and the project solid representative let's say in this from the United States John thanks for have accepted our invitation and the floor is yours for S minutes please thank you James and I'll try and do it for you in seven minutes I don't have any presentation slides so bear with me if I just talk to you all uh and thank you all for the privilege to speak to you today now most of you will be focused on the policy and Regulatory landscape for your for your respectful uh in your respective areas what I'd like to talk to you about is a technology that exists to deliver the foundation to actually deliver all this stuff it's it's a foundational technology it's an open source standard that can provide safe and scalable data sovereignty for Citizens and customers and and it's called solid this is an open- Source technology I must stress that it's an open source technology you can all go use it and it was created by the inventor of the web sir Tim burners Le along with couple of thousand developers open source contributors around the world from uh centers of excellence like universities like MIT here in Boston and so on but all around the world people help create solid and what what it was created to do is to solve a lot of the problems of the web that we face today we all understand them so I wanton boy with them here today but I will stress that AI now is accelerating us into places that could be even more troubling than some of the problems we've got today so it's really important time is everything now what the solid technology allows organizations to do is to distribute digital wallets to your citizens and your citizens can grant access to the data that you put in that wallet to other agencies and they could be other government agencies but it could also be corporations that are approved by the government to actually interact with the citizen and their data and it could be authorized service providers like doctors or lawyers or you know uh teachers these wallets don't just contain incidentally the transactional data used to see in an apple wallet but a whole array of private data like health records educational credentials and so on and it's all open source it's a standard and it's managed and approved by the worldwide Web Consortium to drive adoption of all this Tim and I set up the company and we mobilize to help people understand how to use it and and around the world people are beginning to roll it out oh and and we hired one of the top cyber security people in the world an individual Called schneer Bruce schneer to help make sure it was done safe and so around the world we're working with large corporations and governments to deploy these wallets to deliver significantly better social services such as healthc care job creation but also for business efficiencies and the impact is significant on GDP in country our most public deployment is in Europe where the government of Flanders in Belgium is delivering this to all its citizens 7 million of them because in Flanders they consider data to be a utility like gas water electricity and their analysis showed that by freeing up the data it would directly translate to GDP and it would also create export opportunities for for Belgium to other countries around the world now what they did was really clever not that that wasn't already but what they did was they created a self-funding entity a private public construct and it's governed by a combination of of government oversight and corporate elected Executives and self funds how does it self fund because they give the citizen the data the citizen can grant consented access to the data it doesn't leave the citizen it stays in the wallet but businesses can look at the data in the wallet in order to be better informed about what products and services to offer that Citizen and the businesses pay for that access and that is how it sell funds so it has no impact on the taxpayer and this was all done with the approval of The Regulators in Brussels of course it was and and and what was most exciting it doesn't just deliver the mandates of gdpr and so on it delivers the principles so it goes well beyond gdpr because now the citizen is a is a a formal part of the consent process of course now we've got AI so what we've also now released and again you can check it out it's open source it is the way to manage the problems of AI we called it Charlie and Charlie allows a wallet to interact with llms without the releasing the data to the AI providers this makes sure the individuals not at risk with their data and and and corporations can also feel safe they're now not responsible for taking that data away users can also of course consent to release the data for research or societal good but the important thing to remember that the data principally stays in the wallet so I I think and you've seen plenty of data here today and I'm sure you appreciate this anyway data sovereignty is a huge benefit for Global economies the projects we have already underway with government entities Flanders is the most public but we have others in Europe and some in Asia those projects are already beginning to illuminate the value of releasing the data from these Central systems from these Central silos and putting it in the hands of the of the users who can now interact in ways that would be impossible in in another environment this architecture of solid really works we also are working with global standards organizations of course we are one of them is the open Wallet Foundation which is run out of uh Geneva I think it is and that that's intending to build a an interoperability standard around the world and solid is accepted by them as a way to ensure that there need be no argument or debate amongst us all the standard exists it works and we don't need to argue our respective agendas we can all adopt solid it's very adaptive it can work with your ID systems that exist today and and and it's open source if you want any help of course you can contact us we'll help you but um the other one is the euid wallet where credentials in in the wallet Are Made made available driver's licenses educational credentials and so on um and and I think what most important than you appreciate you're here today it's not just to do it on a on a country level but you have to adopt it on a global basis you can still retain local Geo uh oriented differences but adopting a standard that's Global means that when you're ready you you know you don't need to worry so much about how you're going to interoperate across other economies solid delivers that so we're looking forward to working with you and uh I think that's my time up so thank you for the opportunity to talk to you again it was an absolute privilege thanks a lot for your speech John uh definitively I think solid is a disruptive protocol and a open source standard to try to empower citizens the main producers of data into the cyberspace uh let's go ahead uh our third invite is Lee sadong founder of the fussy institution from China uh and we can listen you about your broad uh thoughts because you have a a lot of experience in general uh issues related to internet and internet governance and everything please share your thoughts with us by seven minutes Mr Lee okay uh thank you I'm the founder fish institution uh actually we are the dig the economy think tank in China so thanks uh for giving this opportunity to give my comment on this topic you know I used to working for the China internet Network Center which the does R Tree you know Dom minim industry for many years over two decade so uh in my opinion you know and also you know in China uh data is recognized the key element of digital economy be ranking as The Fifth Fifth major factor for the economy development of the land Labor uh technology and capital so how to bring the data divide developing the data economy are very crucial to promoting the the the do economy development but um what I want to emphasize and and also I'm very happy to hear the opinion from Bruce mentioned solid I because I research this project very much but from my opinion you know uh the internet is very critical infrastructure for the digital economy and but internet had in evolved from the internet uh from internet and then to the worldwide web but now we enter into a new phase for the internet development we called that is a Data Network so that mean how to make sure the data interconnection and the data inter ability is very important for the internet development itself so you know as I mentioned just just another solid uh is very important practice for the data inter interoperability and also there's uh different kind of uh practice in the world how to make sure the data interoperability it it is just like the the some key technology for example the tcpip is very important for the internet which make the interconnection among networks and also the HTTP and dominium system is very key techn key technology for the worldwide web is a how to make sure the interconnection among website and I I think in the data Network stage and the data interoperating protocol something like this is very key technology for the data Network so now I think uh the data interoperability is the most priority how to make sure uh to bridge the the the data divide and also to connect the data silos so because now uh data is very very fundamental factors for the economy and also you know that in this year the the artificial intelligence especially for the AG or aigc is very hot topic uh for the world especially for China so but now you know the compu power and also the models is not a big issue for the for the world but how to encourage the data sharing is very very difficult because you know now the the public data has been run out for the aigc to to tr educate that model but uh how to encourage the the very knowledgeable data and to to feed the the the artificial intelligence model is very very important so my suggestion is how to strengthen the cooperation in the data field among BRS countries and how to achieve the consensus principles for openness and interconnectivity collaboration and also multiple benefit to formulate a policy framework for the global data cooperation is very very very important now and uh my uh key point is we need to set up the priority to establish the technical standard for the cross domain data interconnectivity and interoperability uh for example we need to have the unified system for the uh data identifier uh and data uh authentication or data authorization and also some kind of uh governance and compliance system and to encourage the data sharing and also some computer power sharing and also the AGM co- governance to build a very uh very open International collaboration and development platform is also very important so I I think it's a now there is a big issue because every country have their own system yeah such as the identifi system and also some authenication system for the for the data so if in the future uh we emphasize the the every country have their own system it make make the data divide and also especially for the data divide will be much bigger than before so now I encourage that we should have some kind of collaboration platform and also some kind of method to encourage the country among uh bricks uh countries to build some kind of uh interoperable platform to make sure that the data can be uh go cross border among those countries so that's very important nowadays I know that there's a lot of kind of practice and to achieve some kind of international standard such as the solid or also there's another architecture is the digital object architecture which proposed by the the internet father Bob Kong is also have another kind of solution but now there's a a lot lot of uh practice I I think that maybe uh in the bricks framework we should set up some kind of platform to have some some kind of discussion which is focusing on the fundamental infrastructures Technologies that's very very important and also it's very critical time now for us to to do something uh in this fundamental Technologies otherwise if we only discuss the economy but avoid the the technical infrastructure you know they cannot not achieve the goal for the uh digital economy development especially for the data Economic Development that's my uh comment yeah thank you Mr Lee thank you very much for your concrete propos for our work I think we can uh absorb a lot of ideas from your insights maybe you can talk later about your ideas uh to close the this panel I would like to pass the floor of to my colleague and colleague of debates of the government Brazilian government Rodrigo data PR CEO uh one of the leaders of the important initiative of the Brazilian government the National Data infrastructure uh please Rodrigo you have seven minutes for your words thank you James uh thank you all for having me I'm I'm also going to share hopefully a uh data set here uh no it's not here okay oh dear let's see if now it works we pause your time no no problem no yeah thank you very much no but it's something is wrong as usual things happen uh dear let's see if like this if not I will just do the same as the colleagues and uh talk through uh the things that I'd like to share one more time NOP you want we can send for and we can share I'm sorry yes I'm sorry no you can send to us the presentation you can share the the screen I'll send it to you right now while I start okay perfect uh just one second uh very sorry for this I send by WhatsApp or EMA my WhatsApp okay so it's kind of fast yeah AR it hopefully yeah you got it okay so that's good uh as James mentioned I'm the CEO of data prev data prev is a state-owned company fully owned by the Brazilian government it's turned 50 years old last year and we uh were born to take care of the Social Security data usually uh in other forums we say we have a very big system with a huge population but in forums where India and China are present we usually shut up and do not make any mentions on that SC in that sense so uh what I have here to to show is some concrete uses of data that we are doing uh with uh What uh James was mentioning the National Data infrastructure so what happens is H Brazil has for something like three decades uh structured its basic data uh we failed many times to to establish the national um unified identity we had struggles between the tax number versus the social security number which the tax number uh one after a while and uh now uh we have found our way and we're managing to unify uh all our identity but that led us down a path where we became very Adept of uh Crossing and crosschecking different databases the highlight of that was when we managed to cross over 30 different National databases to actually provide the yes that's the presentation great James thank you to actually provide you can go uh had one uh the you can actually so to pay the Social Security benefits the emergency benefits for covid so we managed to pay these benefits in six days of course to pay these benefits in six days we had built the databases over 30 years and that's uh the National Data infrastructure which is an ongoing project which tries to aggregate different databases in these silos that were mentioned that's it you can click a couple of times it will help uh come further the presentation uh there's a couple of things missing and uh yeah the National Data infrastructure which is now being exponentially leveraged not only Within government but also providing data for the second sector and the third sector so all kinds of social data are now being used to provide elements of kyc for different uh industry segments and that's what I'm going to illustrate with uh some four or five examples so we can go ahead James um yeah so statistics social benefits Public Service even uh uh providing this for artificial intelligence and the infrastructure is addressing the governance the quality the interoperability the Privacy the security the technological environment and the intelligence and knowledge and of course since datab bread is not the only player in the market there's another huge IT company that deals with administrative data that deals with uh um tax data it's always a very uh important and very heavy lifting uh structure of interoperability and managing uh the data together we can go to the next slide and I'll start the examples so one of the main uh for us in data prev is payroll loans so we have a huge established Market where Social Security benefits can serve as collateral for loans and the installed ments are deducted every month uh this is the cheapest uh interest rate in the market it injects something like uh 6 6.7 billion per month that is missing there and we have over 38 uh million people being affected by this over 66 million contracts and this does not mean that they access the data uh this is provided uh by by uh joining people who are interested with financial institutions and this last week we launched the next phase of this for all formal sector uh employees uh it will go online this Friday and now we have another 72 million uh people who are potentially in this market it will probably be the second lowest interest rate and it will expand credit dramatically and what we are offering is is with full respect to personal data we are giving financial institutions data that allow them to calculate their risk uh in a much more accurate way those things like what are the industries that these people work in uh they of course provide consent for any personalized data uh we can go ahead otherwise I'll never make it in time another good example is the rural environment registry so all uh rural properties are obliged to present their data to government through the states we're a federative uh Country and this is a quite a complex orchestration H and this serves for many important things this will Pro provides how are the preservation regulations within each property so different biomas have different proportions of land that must be kept pristine and intact and this has become extremely important also to the Agro industry to prove that their production does not DeForest that their production is does not affect the environment so this has become a very crucial information for the financial aspect and the financing and funding aspect of the Agro industry so it serves both the environmental uh demands as well the financial demands and this is of course going to become self- sustainable as was mentioned the next one uh the third example is uh disaster uh management so we had last year a very severe flooding in the south of Brazil the two pictures illustrate what we're talking about and we managed to cross over an incredible amount of data uh because of this National Data infrastructure to provide a dozens of more than a dozen actually something like 16 different benefits going from housing to emergency relief to advance in uh social benefits to uh um uh dealing with reconstruction of the properties affected so all this also possible because of and of course we are all going to be more and more affected by disasters uh we know they're coming we just don't know where they're coming and organizing the data to answer this is crucial not prevention not uh def defining where it's going to hit but actually managing the disaster once that happens the next slide so and and one of the lessons we learned is that Brazil didn't have a digital public infrastructure for addresses and we're now structuring this up with all all the databases from government that have addresses as well as the utilities the Telecom and the postal services and even uh going to Google to help us uh pinpoint this and we're we're having uh we're building uh the national address database one of the amazing things we found out with the disaster in the South was people still uh the addresses never go away so people in the affected area had more than six address each in average and uh to defining where they were exactly when the disaster struck was something very complicated in terms of the data so this and this will not only allow them to consent but the citizen will actually declare where he wants to connect with government for government services that are relevant in terms of addresses and the last example I think is the next SL slide I know my time is up as I mentioned the national identification card which uh were uh unifying the 27 States identity schemes because it's a our constitution says this identification is a state based Authority so we're managing the crosschecking of all these 27 databases and uh not allowing duplication but also providing a a machine kyc uh so that this can affect also not only the financial sector but everybody needs a more regular kyc engine uh the next one and I think it's the last yeah that was the last thank you I'm very sorry for the mix up with the presentation I'm glad that James came to my rescue and I'm completely available for more clarification which I'm sure is necessary H during the Q today thank you thank you Rodrigo thank you for your examples of concrete proposals what we the government is doing in terms of uh it digital public infrastructure and then National Data infrastructure I would like to thank you Alberto John uh Mr Lee and Rodrigo for your participation and we can move ahead I don't know if some some someone has some questions or intervention from the countries someone rais it the hand I think not maybe then I can pass to the floor to Carol kolina to to close this event and in on behalf of MDI I would like to thank of every every every U single audience and people working on on on on it thank you very much thank you James quite right on time thank you very much for respecting uh uh our time frame so as we close today's sessions I would like to express my sincere gratitude to all panelists moderator and organizing Institution for their valuable contributions special thanks of course to our audience and for actively participating and also toi to nick. BR which made our webinar work thank you guys and thank you once again for joining us over in the next few months we will continue working with brick country delegations to ensure that data economy discussions are well represented in the group's digital agenda and so that bricks will can make aailable contribution to the international debate on digital and data governance thank you all and see you soon e e e