all right now your body John Meadows here I got a guy to train with me today he was just walking around outside I said hey do you mind working out with me today he agreed you guys know this is 27 times mr. Olympia eighteen time are no plastic champion well I'd love to think that so Jay Cutler's here he's gonna take me through a workout Jay has a style that you use that I want you guys to see I'm not going to tell you what it is so let's just get to work I'm excited to actually be I hear I've heard about all your training I see a lot of your athletes out there I'm still curious to see what kind of goes behind with the people I travel I travel all these different places and I get to see all these different here's a lot of theories out there right the internet changed everything for us all right so we've always started when it was just magazine it was a magazine and I remember reading magazine articles and I've seen your stuff and to see actually videos now it's a lot easier than I used to try to make these guys come alive in the magazine when I would watch so much workout routine so now and your your theories can be shown so much better on video so you know I'm a high volume trainer so we're gonna see how kinda we go through is how we mix and match and stuff and she would see what the viewers think out there I think the interesting thing too is is our health this is this is this birthday man this birthday catch a newfound 46 47 here I started training when I was 12 what year did you start - I started when I was 18 and 9th I started August 3rd my birthday okay 1991 I started 1991 okay I did my first show in 1985 I was 12 so that's when rocky 4 came oh we were just oh I know and that's what inspired me to get into weight training so my friends and I used to have an hour to two hour long conversations where the rule was you can only use rocky for lines like anything you say to each other has to be a rocky four line so you know like you're gonna have to go through hell but I'm looking at Paul cause they're like you're gonna have to go through hell remember Toni's lying there in the cabin in Russia so we just used to communicate with rocky lines ahead so those are all the one-liners it makes it easy when you're training and I wasn't a vocal guy when I trained so nowadays I had to open up and be a different person I think a lot of my viewers and even people that watch your chest will see that I'm a different take Cutler one down when I was competitive because when I walked in the gym I am if you said to me J I want to do a video with you back then I probably would have said no thanks because I just wanted to Train right if you watch my old DVDs which was my old early social media no see I never said anything in the gym I just kind of did my thing and I remember thinking oh man I can't I'm dreading this guy coming to shoot my video for the week but then it would be so successful and that's what created my fan base by showing hey this is what he does on a day-in day-out basis because listen people watch from how you load the weights how you know what you do in between sets so it's often now when I'm shooting a lot of my YouTube stuff I try to get my gotta shoot like hey what goes on in between the set because this is that mine the muscle connection we talk about it all the time to get into our theories a little bit I think we should do a little sit down and talk about it but like you really have to understand how the muscle works functions and everyone's genetics are gonna be different so we're you know you might have an exercise that works great for you it may not do anything for me so that's why everyone needs to learn their own thing and not just say okay well that's what Jay Cutler did I'm gonna follow that exact routine you know use those routines but work your own way become your own versus absolutely well certainly what she did worked and worked for me you know the interesting thing too is I think about willful we're gonna do another video where we do like a mortgage Q&A what works for you at one point in time sometimes even changes and you know in some way like you like you're trying to get to your ultimate genetic potential so like trying to squeeze out that extra 2% of 5% could be the difference between you winning or getting second like that little bit even you know John did I actually reach my potential we don't know because listen I'm I was stubborn so I did have people that trained me advised need but I be honest man I was pretty open-minded I look at an amateur that wasn't even close to my level in her magazine they say man I'm gonna try that exercise I see exercise in the gym today that I never would have thought about doing I was a standard bench press and we had variations of that right but now you know you see these different things these guys do in the gym and sometimes I'm like why is this guy wasting the time doing that but at the same time if that's what keeps people enthused because we know this that gets monotonous our lifestyle right you talking about the diet like the day-in day-out I mean we're very superstitious where we don't want to change a lot that's what worked last time but you're right you put on a pound or two a muscle it makes a huge difference on how you go into your training and your nutrition and when you get lean you can only train so hard you can't go balls to a wall that you could have done at 16 weeks out when you're four weeks out you're just kind of unfused control and you have to know when to shut off your mentality to say okay I can't push myself beyond because then you risk the injury and then you're not in any shows right that's one of hard lessons I learned actually I used to we'll talk about that yeah that's a great point so all right today we're gonna go as balls-to-the-wall as we can I've been up since 4 o'clock this morning if you all here with delays but the highlight of my career today it's always my workout but it's more important because with John today so let's get it all right so two sets to go by feel I caught him steal sets I hate to say warm-up because I think I'm warmed up when I get to the gym anyway so let's do a weight two sets just to get the feel I'm going to be like 15 reps each set and then I'm going to my working let me do follow me to a quarter you know they say okay well I'm just gonna do what Jay does sometimes that's a mistake right cuz injuries or you're gonna go in there I usually usually things because oh that's where you feel sets get everything warm and yeah rock and roll [Music] [Music] you always say 12 it's like your number you know I do so much volume that I don't and just go and I critique the muscle I don't really have to push beyond failure because I like it a little lower so I can get under perfect specially with that - I'm getting you that your yard styles a lot like mine where I'm I was very explosive oh I don't know but I'm control explosive you know so what's his sloppy but I always felt before when I everything I do was like that it's like I was up me and I was a ballistic trainer I always so there yeah I do mind I do everything like that but but like length also do you really go with it so Spy vs yeah like I don't believe in the slow some of the guys train now and I'm like I don't write like I don't believe in this kind of you trying to see somebody doing exercise you got some experience no I never trained like that in the beginning no break through the movement you know training disease although born without that aggression to [Music] just so cool watching that it's like everything he's doing like [Music] no momentum like I could just so cool to see somebody else do that I don't think your chest is weak is it no that's a pollution no anything happen or you just barrel-chested [Music] I'm a Zach that's only five so the most common thing people ask me is about permitting upright like how have we determined to go like you today your school was eight you get 12 sometimes you think you're like okay I'm gonna get this money but you keep going so I make sure I always have a rep range between eight and twelve reps not to say I won't go beyond that but eight seems to be the number of like and my question to you is how do you determine eight instead of a six or a five I still think muscle fatigue should fall between the eight twelve where people say well how do I know you start to get that burn or you start it like beyond failure like if I pushed any further reps to me that's absolutely point because witness is our first exercise yeah if he's already doing failure says for three or four repetitions you're dead by the time because I'm a 20 sec ice hole we're rolling through 20 sets for this workout total so I'm gonna do four or five different movements you know three or four sets each I mean you're gonna be maxed out so when you're spilling on the first exercise late maybe on the last set is okay but if you're gonna train the volume you can't go to failure all the time but if you're gonna do something odd only suggest one set per movement max without pushing too many repetitions sound familiar so I don't I don't I don't follow your stuff exactly but I can already tell from our first exercise that are simply of similar momentum the Mindil muscle connection we talked about which is not built in beginning training it's it's something you determine over time absolutely you have to learn hope that my normal connection and controlling the weight so we're going to move to a dumbbell movement nurse oh okay what I do here is I go into three sets we do three sets depending on how we feel but my beginning thought processes three sets so I'm gonna I'm gonna go I'm not gonna do any kind of feel set so I'm not going to warm up [Music] these are rubber weights anyway these are lighter than real weights [Music] [Music] so what I'll do on a couple after a few reps is I'll stop and I'll connect to the contraction and then I'll call back in fact the movements so but definitely twelve here right [Music] [Music] [Music] well [Music] we'll go grips these bricks [Music] yeah yeah we stand with this I was going out there me [Music] is it 12 right I could definitely probably get 12 with I'm going over this 95 yeah I'm thinking 95 [Music] eight everybody me of John 1313 lucky number 13 five four my goal is actually u15 I can't think out there [Music] [Music] Oh easy dirty in the corner I thought he was gonna do 15 I'm like alright so same thing I'm gonna keep the seat a little low so if you guys need to adjust the seat because I what I'm gonna try to do with this I'm actually trying to get low so I can get when I come out I'm actually gonna try to squeeze everything so down and up kind of so I think hand position is important people grab these I try to grab in the dead center of this okay okay where I noticed like on the hammer I think you grab a lot closer than me did you notice on the hammer he's more in like I'm more in the middle I call that the cheating way by the way you know your way just two beers see my chest arch right here [Music] he's got healthy shoulders his range of motion that's a guy there who has really flexible health and shoulders [Music] you know when the surgeon went in when the surgeon went in to do my biceps hair he opened my shoulder up he was he said I figured you'd have arthritis your shoulder will be a mess I was 38 who said it your shoulder looks like you've never lifted weights in your life you removed that's what he told me yeah but you know what I contributed to [Music] absolutely that tissue work because when I started working Chris Cormier led me to this guy yeah enduring the ages to see him he was in Orange County and my when I would pose everything was I couldn't open my lats it's kind of like the way we talk about a guy it literally it made my shoulders like 3 inches wider because I was like this and when he opened me up I was able to train a lot different so when you remember when you're closed you can't train so once the shoulders got open and I was able to get that flex I was able to really improve my back a lot because my back was you wanna hear and I didn't have no fan because I couldn't get the flexion of every you know you want to poke that pull up I just didn't feel my lats and always into my shoulders so I was able to actually use my lats you can see that your shoulder mobility you can see it's really good [Music] [Music] oh that's burning baby that's burning [Music] but unfortunately we have social faster [Music] for exaggerated for me but [Music] see since I don't use this machine so now I got the rhythm right so I get rid of the speed [Music] [Music] mmm all right [Music] yes sir you should see this from the side when he does this remember that's important so really keep that soul to keep the shoulders back watch the best night no but are you gonna get huge [Music] remember you don't have to come all the way and touch these things what existed contractions think about really contract to just think about squeezing the chest more than touching the things together so you don't have to touch those that's actually going to pick [Music] [Music] I cut a sword such a Piedmont horn I try to tell people earning range of motion down so you keep your body positioning stemming it all right it's got the vote it yeah that doesn't have zero sleep see you how farther and come with this yeah then I'm close to touching right chest oh man Bank well there's 12 reps yeah I am calm that's how I know I'm in the Riddler with always because I just go and I'll say how many reps 11 12 and I don't count any of those ropes it's just by feel you know you just get that you used to that you know Chinese dragons news let's go [Music] yes very common what we do is we tuck the chin that's where a lot of people would say that I was wrong before you to do it but I know my chest is worthless I can feel my chest come up and bury my turn with Hani in over a couple years and he told me head back it just didn't feel the same I bury when I press it's just a safety thing for me but I [Music] No [Music] it's like these guys together it's gravity those rockets okay so what's the next exercise whatever you say [Music] nice right nice see how he lifts up into the contraction I always want to say like what to see what if just gonna get you'll know after for us [Music] [Music] [Music] hmm [Music] this is you can adjust yourself in the bench on where you want to be with it right that was hard later two three [Music] six seven eight Bhopal nine right there right there right there bring it down there you'll break it down break it down keep your form one one more pop rap alright good job alright so the most forgotten exercise a cable flyes okay which a lot of people don't do because they're too lazy to bring the bench over to where the cable station is where someone's can't been out of the cable station so what I like about any cable movement where the misconception is when I started training people like all cables are for finishing movements is booked it's you have that constant tension where you with dumbbells and barbells you have a point where you kind of lose a little bit with momentum where with the cables you you don't have that that loss of the contraction so I always suggest some sort of cable movements whether it be for biceps chest training even sold are some of my favorite shoulder exercises the side laterals with the with the cable you don't get that momentum you know back movements obviously people do a lot of cable movements but that constant tension is great I still focus on twelve reps this exercise actually burned more than all the other movements and as I as you see I didn't really push to failure because I was doing so much volume but with this I push the closest to failure but just because the tension is a lot more it's time under tension when you do those table movements I wouldn't suggest starting necessarily with this exercise I still like to go to the meat and potato exercises like the presses but it's a good exercise to really engage the muscle and get that extra blood flow in there the legs stay underneath whereas with the chest train you got to lean in a little more and you're gonna contract and you're gonna see my movements not very it looks like it's not really doing that much but I'm actually contracting my chest through the movement I'm gonna try to focus on 12 repetitions and with this even at 300 pounds I never had to do attached weights actually Charles Voss led me on to this moment I'll be honest he's the one that kind of I think people who believed in these a lot which help so I want you to watch how I do these I am I used to really admire vince piranhas work and he had a style of use on these once you tell me what you think of these I typically which I could believe in my feet were out front [Music] really with the pressure on the chest yep [Music] now if I asked you where you felt the movement the most would you say lower pecs outer packer - all around that it looked to me it looks like it's work by this yeah because you're just kind of sitting there and that groove - what's your what's your best body part damn straight probably do you like training chests I had a couple years where my chest was really blown up I always liked the side chest like that but um where I struggled was my back they got pretty good eventually once I was come here so get on so far driver my back gave me fits I do a bunch of exercises where but it's like it worry earlier I had to do some that stuff [Music] no I switched back and forth it's the strangest thing but people always ask me that I didn't have a theory for it but I know if I was to do dips I would always face out so I would always be like for triceps I would face out and then I can never face it because I figure okay going in there's going to work more my chest it's a mental thing for me and listen the handle with the handle thickness makes a difference too on the thinner handles I can't I can't do it I feel like I read tear my chest yeah I'm doing here yeah right there [Music] see visually that much I guess yeah we did these in Virginia yeah yeah you can really see it that's why it has to it looked like I mean you're sure it's tighter than my leg [Music] that's how you can tell when something everyone's gonna have that groove if you try to put him I want to see you in this and see what it does all right not now wait there's what I'm gonna do to like your viewer from your not condition though so though look at the fix J we're where volume trainer what Jay just said is was too many cookies for this guy over I have my think back a little bit yeah great where you I just go find my feedback like a little bit I think having it on the end like you had it facing the other way is a lot better for some reason I felt that better you're away so I just changed my whole theory of doing chest dips based on mountain dog training stop that's a cut that snippet out through a replay so I do plan a comeback [Music] [Music] I I knew when I trained with him - but why so these guys in gym be like ah let's make them throw up and in eventually I'm sure I'm not trying out and when people like my thought is I don't try to kill anybody I just try to kill myself I mean hey if you get a good workout that's great but I want to push myself squeeze that chest good [Music] yes or said I got this from Gironda but he actually I think he just seemed like way down all right so that's chest training with Jay haha yeah yeah yeah I don't what gonna be like Jay so hope you guys enjoyed that workout it was really awesome for pollen I doubt J train with us hope you guys enjoy it let us know what you think and we'll see you next time