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Healthcare Corruption and Nutritional Insights

We want to announce something big that we've been working on for months now. It's a documentary series called Art of the Surge. It's all behind the scenes footage shot by an embedded team that has never before seen footage of what it's actually like to run for president if you're Donald Trump. They were there at the Butler Township assassination attempt, for example, and got footage that no one has ever seen before. And it's amazing. Become a member at TuckerCarlson.com to see this series. Art of the Surge. Meantime, here's our latest episode with Calley and Casey Means. Okay, so I actually think this book is going to I never say this, but I mean it. I think this book is going to have a big effect on the course of the country. And the reason I think that, is because you two are the perfect people to write it. And so I, I never do this, but I just want to start with your bio. So your siblings kissing Carly, your happened to have grown up in the same neighborhood as me in Washington. Like blocks from me. So I know the world that you're from. You're writing about food, nutrition, the regulatory bodies that are poisoning the country. You are a lobbyist, okay? And you are a Stanford educated physician. I just want to go through quickly each one. And starting with you. You're a doctor? Yes. Tell us the progression of your thinking on this and what it did to your life. Yeah, absolutely. So trained at Stanford Medical School, then became trained as a head and neck. Surgeon, undergrad, Stanford. Undergrad, Stanford Medical School at Stanford, then went on to train and had a neck surgery nine years into my post-graduate training. How did you do in medical school and college did? Well. I was president of my Stanford class, you know, graduating top of my class with honors in medical school and went on to a very competitive surgical subspecialty. So I'm just saying, because normally I'd dismiss credentials out of hand, but these are real credentials. And they they matter I think to your credibility. Okay. And I did what every good little medical student you know, wants to do, which is climb the ranks of that academic ladder. But, you know, you can. You killed it. Did well, you know, and I went and I got to the top of that mountain, right. Nine years into my postgraduate training. And I looked around me and I realized that, you know, patients in America are getting destroyed. Children, adults, the elderly. You know, you're you're so distracted in your little surgical subspecialty, focusing on the your nose and throat where I was. And you get distracted, you look around at what's happening. Americans. And our health is getting worse. Every single year. Patients in America are getting much sicker. Every year, more depressed. We're getting infertile. And life expectancy is going down in a country that's spending almost two weeks more than any other country in the world. So before we get into the details of what you did tell us, I mean, why you tell us what you did? So you spend your whole life working toward this goal. You reach the top and then you decide not to do it. Yeah. You know, I'm in the operating room in my fifth year of my surgical residency, and I'm looking down at a patient in front of me who's on our third revision sinus surgery. And, you know, I know how to diagnose her, I know it, I write the prescriptions, I know how to do the surgery. But what I kind of realized in that moment was like, I have no idea why this patient is actually sick. She has so many other health issues pre-diabetes, arthritis. She's got some brain fog, she's got obesity, and she's got this sinus issue. And in my training, you know, I was never, ever, ever taught to look at the whole patient, to look at how all these things are connected. And I was only taught how to, you know, do the surgery and then bill for it. And I realized that there's a huge, problem in how we're practicing medicine right now, which is what we're ignoring the root causes of why Americans are sick and we're profiting off of patients getting sick and then doing things to them. That's the way the business model of health care works. You know, the most of the way that health care, which is the largest and fastest growing industry in the United States, makes money as you have more patients in the system having more things done to them for longer periods of time. And when I kind of put some of these pieces together and realize that my training had totally, essentially incapacitated me from really understanding why patients are sick and, and how to actually help them thrive. I actually had to walk away from the surgical world, because I realized that I was gonna be making money off of essentially, not spending time helping patients understand their health and actually just profiting off their illness. So my nine years into medical training at Stanford, you gave it up voluntarily. I on my birthday, on 30th birthday, I walked into the office of my of the chair of the department, and I put down the scalpel and I walked away. And I devoted my life to why are Americans getting sicker every year? Why are 50% of American children dealing with a chronic health issue? This was less than 1% 50 years ago. Why is our health getting destroyed the more that we spend? So that's why did they say, when you walk into your colleagues in Stanford and say, I'm giving it up at 30. You know, it wasn't really a conversation. You know, I knew that I couldn't cut into one more person until I understood why Americans are getting sicker every single year. I think that the unfortunate thing is that doctors don't really understand, because every level of our education is systematically focused on blinding us from thinking about root causes. We are we have over 100 medical and surgical subspecialties right now, and you know, how you make money in the American health care system is you take a patient with ten different issues and you send them to ten different specialists, put them on ten different meds, maybe eventually have ten different surgeries. You never actually are taught how to put the pieces together. Look at the whole body as a system, which of course it is. And part of this is because you know, who are the people underwriting our medical education? It's the pharmaceutical companies. You know, we are we are taught how to be very algorithmic and robotic and how we look at patients. And so ultimately, I left the surgical world and I went down the rabbit hole of asking, why? Why are we getting sicker? It's just such a radical move. Yeah. To do something like that. Yeah. I mean. Your whole life you're working toward a goal, and then you give it up. Yeah. After nine years. Yeah. You know, this is the thing that was I understood and that I am working and we are spending our lives to evangelize this book. Good energy. Is that the reasons why Americans are getting sick, sicker every year are very simple. Americans want to be healthy. Americans do not want to die early. They do not want to see their kids. With all these chronic health issues like autism and food allergies and obesity and pre-diabetes, and 40% of teens with mental health issues, no one wants this. But the system is rigged against the American patient to create diseases and then profit off of them. This is happening across almost every level of our major industries, from processed food to tech to pharma. And so really, what what Americans need to understand is that these trends can stop immediately. We need to understand why we're sick, which is our primarily our toxic food system, and the ways that systematically, several industries are profiting off of our addiction and illness. And if we can understand that and create very simple, top down and bottom up strategies to address it, Americans will become rapidly healthier. And so as a physician, you know, I took an oath to do no harm. And I took an oath to help patients thrive. And so the way that we can do that is by helping to understand the levers of, of, of corruption that are essentially keeping us sick, I guess. Reason I'm pressing you, and you're the sort of person I mean, this is a company clearance. I want to talk about yourself, which is great. But I think it's relevant because it speaks to the intensity of your commitment and to your sincerity. So you're giving up the prize. You're giving up the money because you really believe this? Yes. And I think it's I just want to establish that at the outset. Thank you. We say anything more. So you're, her brother? You're very close. I happen to know that. And. And you're obviously proud of your sister president, a class at Stanford, the kind of thing like. Oh, my sister's at Stanford. She's Stanford medical school. She decides not to practice surgery. The most impressive of all specialties. What's your reaction to that? I called her and said she was a complete idiot, you know? I mean, we were raised in Washington, D.C., right next to you. Kind of condition to climb up the ladder. Of course. I went to Stanford. I went to Harvard Business School. You know, that was what life is about. Just kind of collecting those credentials. Casey, you know, research at the NIH, as we talked about top of her Stanford med school class, to me, that was that was it. And truly a new head on this. She had. No, I mean, this is this is her life. This was her identity. This is everything to her. And she bravely stepped away with no plan, just from a moral obligation. And I thought she was a complete idiot. And what I know now and what I've been radicalized on, is she has convinced me that this is the most important issue in the country. It's an issue of corruption, that starts at Stanford med school being 50% funded by pharma and not, training doctors on one nutrition class. Stanford med school, Harvard med School. 90% of med schools don't offer or require one nutrition class. Doctors simply aren't learning why people are getting sick, which would all assume they do 80% of the course loads. In pharmacology, it's on how to take people that are getting sicker and sicker and manage those conditions, not to cure them. And that's a huge problem, because that dynamic of the largest industry in the country is destroying human capital. So, as your sister is on one end of the equation, you're on the other. So you both have, you know, you're from a, community of strivers that's with different. Yeah, exactly. And, merit badge gatherers. And you've gotten two of the greatest merit badges ever, right? HBS, Stanford Medical School. But you're all of a sudden finding yourself in Washington. Can you just explain your background a little bit? Yeah. So, just in case it was a bit smarter than me on the biology route, I wanted to be contributing to politics, from an early age, and went to Stanford to to go back into politics. I studied economics, political science, went straight back to campaigns after school. What I learned quickly is that that in campaigns over, you work for the biggest spenders in D.C.. And I found myself across the, the desk from food industry and the farm industry. The farm industry spends five times more in DC than the oil industry. By far the biggest spender. Bipartisan. You're working for pharma, but starting with food. I learned early on that the food industry, this is my contract. The food industry, and the processed food industry was created by the cigaret industry. And I think this is very telling. It's something I learned. So in the 1990s, the two largest food companies in the world were R.J. Reynolds and, Philip Morris. What happened is when the Surgeon General, way too late in the 1980s, said cigarets were maybe problematic. These were some of the largest companies in the world with the largest cash piles of any company in the world. So they what they did is they used their cash piles to buy food companies. You know, we think about the 80s as the Wall Street era M&A, you know, a lot of deals. The two biggest M&A deals up until 1990 and world history were cigaret companies buying food companies. So you had in the 90s, these two cigaret companies very strategically do two things. They shifted their thousands of. Tits, who were experts at making cigarets addictive to the food department. So we had the rise of ultra processed food, where our food now is a science experiment. The second thing they did is they shifted their lobbying to the cigaret industry, of course, was the biggest, you know, lobbying spenders and very had a good playbook. They shifted their playbook on lobbying and rigging institutions of trust to food. So they created the food pyramid. So the cigaret industry, through the food and companies they bought, paid off the FDA, the USDA, Harvard to create report saying sugar doesn't cause obesity. And they lobbied for the food pyramid in the 1990s. We all remember which said, you know, animal based fats are bad, carbs are good. Remember, carbs and sugar were basically the base of the pyramid. So the American diet, because of that, because we trust our medical institutions would say no. We shifted our diet significantly to ultra processed food. It was very intentional. The food pyramid that was a ultra processed food marketing document that carbs, refined sugar was fine and that shifted. And you look at dietary patterns today, kids, a child diet is 70% ultra processed food. Now, what does that mean, right? Those are literally foods invented by the cigaret industry to addict kids. You know, obviously we've got sugar, but there's thousands of different ingredients and science concoctions that scientists work in a lab to make it more palatable, to make it more addictive. So food consumption, calorie consumption has skyrocketed. And the byproduct of these toxic ingredients that the cigaret industry I watch and help with this bought off the USDA. Bought off the FDA is they wreak havoc among ourselves. The foundation of our diet is ingredients that we aren't biologically made eat that didn't exist 100 years ago. In the foundation of our diet is three things. When you look at any label, it's added sugar. Processed sugar, which basically didn't exist 100 years ago, is just from natural sources. Ultra processed grains, which were invented 100 years ago. The processing tapes, the fiber off. They're basically hidden sugars devoid of nutritional value and seed oils. Seed oils are the top source of American calories, and this is actually the oil seed oil. Top source of American. Soybean oil canola oil. This is the baseline of American Calories right now. And these seed oils were actually created by John D Rockefeller as a byproduct of oil production. It's basically engine lubricant. And the Rockefeller and those aligned with them actually lobbied to have this, suitable for human consumption. That's how cellulose came into the American diet. They're much cheaper, but they're highly inflammatory and just by definition, just at the highest level. These ingredients and all the chemicals we can't name that are in ultra processed food are not natural greens. There are bodies are made to handle. So there's, as we talk about in good energy, this produces a lot of side effects to ourselves. The food industry isn't trying to kill Americans. They're trying to make food cheap and addictive. And what I learned, you know, in the morning, meeting with the food companies, trying to lobby and influence, the USDA, being the lifeblood of nutrition research, paying off, you know, nutrition researchers at Harvard and Stanford as a junior employee. Shocked by that. So you saw that? Oh, oh. My first week, you know, as working for these industries. It was a list of top professors, and, the food industry pays 11 times more for foundational nutrition research than the NIH. You go to any nutrition school in the country, the lifeblood of their school. They'll they'll proudly admit this is from the processed food industry. In the past two years, there has been 50,000 peer reviewed research studies on nutrition. We're the only animal that has peer reviewed nutrition studies, and we're the only animals that are systematically obese, diabetic, and being crippled by metabolic dysfunction. We're born with an innate sense of sense of knowing what's right for us. The problem very strategically, and this is well known among the industry, is that ultra processed food does because they're able to do this science experiment. Their food it hijacks are biology. It hijacks our society. So signals, you know, high fructose corn sirup fructose. It makes us want to eat more. Because in the wild, you know, when you see a bunch of fruit out there, you know, you're well advised to eat it. You know, historically, we we've basically rigged our biology to hijack our signals that, you know, make us satiated. So that's what ultra processed food does. So that's the food industry, okay? The food industry actually, with their own set interests, want to make food addictive and cheaper. It kind of makes sense. The criminal devil's bargain is that it's highly tied to the health care industry and his case. He said. The fastest growing industry in America right now isn't I. It's not tech, it's health care. It's the largest and fastest growing industry. And just as a statement of economic fact, the best thing for that industry is a child getting sick. When a child gets sick or any American gets sick with a chronic condition with. Diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, heart disease, whatever. They go on a lifetime medication, they go on the metformin, they go on the stand, they have lifetime treatments and they keep racked up more co-morbidities. If you are diabetic, you have an average of four other comorbidities. So you keep racking up, but you don't die. You just suffer. You inevitably get infertility, depression, you start racking them up. So that's very good for the medical system to have these chronic conditions that need to be managed. Just from a pure economic standpoint, that's how the system set up. That's all happening largely because of our food system and other metabolic habits we can talk about, but largely because of our rise of ultra processed food that's really, really hacking our cells and really hijacking our cells. The criminal part, the devil's bargain, is that the health care system you'd expect to be speaking out about why we're getting so sick, but they're not only silent on the reasons they're not to train Casey. The first day of Stanford med school that were basically taken as a given, that people are lazy and going to get sick, we're just going to profit from treating them that they're silent and they're complicit. Working for Coke I helped steer money to the American Coca-Cola. Yeah, working for Coca-Cola. They actually pay money to the American Diabetes Association. They actually pay money to the American Academy of Pediatrics. If there's one thing, the American Diabetes Association, which sets the standard of care for diabetes management doing, they should be saying, we're not going to accept money from coke, which is diabetes water. They accept money from coke. So there's that's. Like Tyson Chicken subsidizing Peta, right. You know, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense. 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It is now 74% of our country. 77% of young adults are unfit to serve in the military because of these issues, like obesity. Now let's talk about diabetes 50%. A full 50% of American adults have prediabetes or type two diabetes, which is a fundamental issue in our country. Half the country, Tucker, have prediabetes or type two diabetes, and 30% of teens now have prediabetes. This was a condition that no pediatrician would have seen in their lifetime. 50 years ago, 1% of Americans in 1950s in 1950 had type two diabetes. We have 18% of teens with fatty liver disease, a disease that used to be in late stage alcoholics. Cancer rates are skyrocketing in the young and the elderly. Young adult cancers are up 79%, and this is the first year in American history we're estimated to have over 2 million cases of cancer. 25% of American women are on an antidepressant medication, 40% of 18 year olds have a mental health diagnosis. We have the highest infant and maternal mortality rate in the entire developed world. Despite sending two X on infant maternal care than any other country. So you have a higher risk of dying as a woman giving birth in America than any other developed country in the world. Autism rates in kids are 1 in 36 nationally. This was 1 in 1500 in the year 2000, and the screening has not changed in California, where I live. And I just want to linger on that. And the screening has not. In 20 years, the definition hasn't changed. No one in the. Two from 1 in 1500 in California, 1 in 36 right now. It was 1 in 1500. In California, it's one inch 22. One of the worst states in the country for autism. So this is just a matter of how we and all of these conditions, I mean, and I could go on and on. Autoimmune diseases, infertility is at peak rates. I mean, I don't know how this is not front page news. Infertility is going up 1% per year. Sperm counts are going down 1% per year since the 1970s. Sperm counts are down. Continuing to drop. Continuing to drop.... At an increasing rate. Our bodies are crying out for. 26% of women have polycystic ovarian syndrome. Now, the thing that people need to understand is that all of these conditions are caused or driven by the exact same thing, which is metabolic dysfunction. This core foundational issue of how our body on the cellular level function, which is driven by our toxic food system and our toxic environment, these subtle, insidious forces that are creating slow, progressive illness, starting now in fetal life that allow patients to be profitable and on the farm, a treadmill for their entire lives. They make a sick, but they don't kill us, and then we are drugged for life. You look at what's happening in children. A child born in a hospital in the United States today, within an hours of coming from source into this, you know, into this body. The first thing that happens to them is pharmaceutical intervention without really asking, you know, I mean, there was barely informed consent about this. That child's eyes are smeared with your vitamins and ointment, and they're given a hepatitis B vaccine in their first day of life. And what are these two things for? I mean, I mention this because it's just emblematic of how we were put on the farm, a treadmill from the moment we are born in this country, for reasons that are very strange. The erythromycin ointment is to prevent infections of the eye, which we test women for chlamydia. So why would every baby United States need this ointment if the mom doesn't have it? And the happy vaccine is for hepatitis B, which is a sexually transmitted disease and IV drug user disease, of course, which babies are not going to be exposed to? And yet every single baby in America is getting the intervention. So from the literally the day we are born. Why? I mean, why not test the pregnant mother for them? They do. Okay, so they give it to the women who, even if they have tested negative, which. Would be the overwhelming majority. Absolutely. So I don't understand, why would you treat a child on his first day of life for illnesses? You know for a fact he doesn't have it isn't going to get. So this is what I saw working for pharma. So let's let's get out of the passion of this debate and just talk about the economic incentives. Let's take the happy, okay. There's actually no dynamic in American capitalism like the vaccine schedule, because the second you get something on that schedule, the government's paying hundreds of billions of dollars for a product that's been mandated for every single American living. So just for my I'm just speaking again, not let's not even get into the efficacy of vaccine. We're talking about an economy, talking math, working with the pharma industry. It's a huge economic imperative to get more and more vaccines on the schedule. You couldn't watch the Olympics this past couple weeks ago without seeing just ad after ad for actually new vaccines. This is big business, right? Hundreds of billions of dollars. And again, once you get it approved, what happens? It's paid for forever going. And you have the most trusted institutions in the world calling anyone a war criminal for even asking a question about it. So this is well known by the industry. And can I just say so we, this will appear on all kinds of different social media platforms, but maybe the biggest is YouTube owned by Google. And this they will censor this. They will demonetize this video. Just so far you have not attacked a vaccine. No. But you are, showing evidence of some skepticism of their efficacy or the need for them. And YouTube will demonetize this video for what you just said. If you're a Stanford educated physician, but YouTube has decided you're not.... And I would do this. And I think this is a such an important conversation because I'd ask everyone listening if they can still listen to this is why is YouTube? Why is the media, by the way, YouTube and the media are heavily funded by pharma. Farm is the number one funder of mainstream news media and one of the largest funders. Just demonstrably, just factually, it's just a fact for YouTube ads. You can't watch a YouTube video without saying format. And so just like that, their funding and have a direct line. As we talked about this last time working for these industries, we paid tech companies. We paid media companies not even to influence consumers, but to have a direct line to them. It's part of the public affairs strategy, right? We know that if we can fund a large part of YouTube's ad budget, we have a direct line of communication. Ation to those companies. And then we have studies from Harvard that we've paid for to. Saying that it's anti-science to say anything that questions our products, which we can jam down the throats of the people that we now have a direct line of communication. This direct line is not to consumers. That's of lesser concern. The direct line is to the media companies. So you can affect censorship. Just again, as an economic fact, you know, 80% of an age, grants have a conflict of interest. There's very little conflict of interest rules for academic studies. So the game is clear. You fund the academic studies and you have the seal of Harvard, the seal of the NIH, you know, saying that these products, these pharmaceutical products are perfect, and then you use those studies to influence the tech companies and the media companies that you've also paid and have a direct line of communication that there's misinformation. Let's get back to that. B but I just want to make one macro point. It's the selective outrage. Why are we so concerned about talking about vaccines? Why is it such an impetus from our trusted institutions that you are a horrible parent? If you even ask a question about 72 shots to your kids? And why isn't that that level of urgency around child nutrition? What childhood chronic disease. Or childhood chronic disease? Why is it, oh, we can't possibly expect parents not to load their kids with a bunch of sugar and all these toxic greens. And by the way, those people can't afford whole food. It's it's actually racist in class. As Stephen suggests, people should be able to afford organic food. We we can't possibly expect parents, you know, to have nontoxic food. But oh, when it comes to pharmaceutical interventions, there's no price to high. And if you don't follow it to a tee, you're a terrible person. Why is it when we have nine out of ten killers, Americans are preventable lifestyle conditions when 95% of medical costs go towards reversible chronic conditions that the case is talking about, why isn't there that urgency of the medical community educating parents about why people are getting sick, and really the only vitriol, the only thing that's being censored, the only thing that's being enforced in the top down, is absolute adherence to pharmaceutical products. Why? During Covid, which was a metabolic condition, you know, this was a this was a disease that attacked weak immune systems. This was a disease that only killed, people that were overweight or metabolic is functional. Americans died at a much higher rate than European or Asian countries. Why wasn't there the same emphasis on hardening up our immune systems and attacking the root cause of that, and it was all the time was running a pharmaceutical solution. This doesn't actually make sense, but it gets to the money. So working for the pharma companies, there's just nothing better than getting on the vaccine schedule. And that should not be a controversial comment, right? If you have a list of drugs that are mandated for every single American to pay for that government, you want to go on that schedule. So I. Don't comment. It's it's not allowed. It's a verboten comment. You're not allowed to say that they will demonetize this video for what you just said. And I would ask, what does that tell you? I would ask the media companies and ask YouTube to have the same passion for child of chronic disease and nutrition as they do for enforcing unanimity on pharmaceutical injections for kids. So just I Amen. I agree more. It's infuriating. I it's worse than that. It's evil. again video just demonetized. Worth it. But let me ask you to the specifics of the. Yeah. The shot. Yeah. That, I'm sure all my children had it. And even knowing we had. It at it, you had it. To. What, is there a I mean, just take the other side for a second. Yeah. Like, is there a reason that we would do this? I push, I and I welcome any doctored responses. I pushed leading medical experts on this. I'm like, okay, so a child born, let's just take the side. The child's born happy is spread by two routes sexually transmitted disease or intravenous needles. So my one day old isn't going to be having sex or doing heroin right away. So what's the purpose of getting this on the schedule in the first day of life? The first hours of life. And if you push and I welcome anyone to do this with their doctor, you get to two things. You get to the American patients are too stupid to remember, so we need to do it right away. That's literally like what they say. And then my doctor told me that the, child at daycare could trip over a needle that has hepatitis B on it. That's literally what they get to that a needle could be on the playground. That somebody just did heroin or something. Throw the needle down. It has hepatitis B blood on it. I asked the doctor, has there ever been in human history a case of hepatitis B being transferred that way? They said no, it's only through intravenous needles and sex. So you actually to just to steal man this and again welcome any to respond. There's not actually a scenario absent of intravenous needles or sex that a person gets hepatitis B. There is not a reason for this to be given. But it happened and I saw this. It was a huge investment for this vaccine. It was a huge, huge economic problem. And this shouldn't be controversial. Think about being at these drug companies. You want the drug given out when you've made the investment. So they're able to work with their buddies at the FDA. They're you able to use the studies. They're able to. There's this constant feeling in the medical community. The American people are too stupid to ask a question, are too stupid to remember to take these important drugs. So there's this argument and momentum to get on the scheduled day one. But there's no there's not actually a medical. And so we haven't even discussed. I mean, I think you have proven the point that there's no good reason. The flip side is, are there good reasons not to take it? So let me just ask you, as a physician and a woman of childbearing age, what's your view? I mean, there's not a single medication that exists that doesn't have side effects. And where there's not some, you know, range of things that can happen when you inject something in the body. And for the happy vaccine in particular, I mean, the two of the handful of inactive ingredients are formaldehyde and aluminum, which is a neurotoxin. And of course, they'll say like over the body weight of the baby, it's negligible, whatever. But when you're getting several shots at one time, these things make a difference. You know, our bodies are overwhelmed right now with the amount of toxic inputs that are going in, and they're breaking our bodies. Right. And so, you know, if it's not necessary for the vast majority of kids to have this at birth, and you could give it to them when they reach teenage years, right? And they're much bigger and their bodies can handle more of these, you know, these chemicals and, and toxins that are in these shots. Then you have to ask yourself, why are we exposing the whole population to potential risk that any pharmaceutical medication will have a risk of side effects if it's not necessary? And that's a question that I think every parent should be able to to ask, you know, but, you know, like Carly talks about, you follow the money. It's it's it's pretty sinister. I mean, you look at the American kind of pediatrics and like who are their main funders? Me Johnson who makes formula the company that makes influenza vaccines. Abbott Nutrition, which makes formula. You know, these people are funding the organization that picks cherry picks the research to make our pediatric guidelines. Okay. So there's hundreds of thousands of papers that are published every year about the importance of nutrition and exercise and sleep and avoiding pesticides and avoiding plastics in our foods. Just tens of thousands of papers every single year. But what goes into the guidelines, which are created by professional organizations like the American Diabetes Association, the American Heart of Pediatrics, who are funded by things like processed food companies, pharmaceutical companies. And then, of course, in the case of the Ada, people like Coca-Cola and Cadbury. So, you know, people will always say. Cadbury, the chocolate. Funded millions. Funded billions for the American Diabetes Association. So come. On. Absolutely. This is this is just. I just want to say, because I don't want to ever sound judgy or pretend that I have good eating habits because demonstrably I don't. They make great chocolate bar. They've dough, they're awesome. But but. They should be probably influencing our diabetes guidelines, right? I mean, is that. You're sure that's true? I am, I am certain that is true. We could. We could. All. Anheuser-Busch shouldn't be funding, you know, Alcoholics Anonymous. It's just like. It's just like, I don't. These companies should. Exist. But you know what? We we we follow this health cult of evidence based medicine, right? Which is that we follow the guidelines. But the guidelines cherry pick research from the canon of scientific literature is out there. Which is why when I was in medical school, there were just huge swaths of the science that I wasn't seeing. But so can I ask you a very fundamental question why would we follow the guidelines rather than the outcomes? It's a great question. So you just said at the five minutes ago, you were outlining this terrifying and sad and catastrophic series of stats describing the total collapse of public health. That's right. And so who cares what the guidelines are? Doesn't anyone just sort of zoom out for a second and be like, all these kids have diabetes, which leads to dementia, like this? Is it this not working right? No one say that. Well, that's I mean, the question it's not working is the question I would basically put in front of every doctor in America, like if you're not looking around you and just scratching your head and saying, what the hell is going on, then you are profiting off of this crisis, you know? And I want every single the most dangerous thing you can do in America right now, obviously, is ask the question why? So, you know, I understand. About. Anything, about anything. But, you know, this is just a point to kind of answer your question about why is this happening? Why aren't we following outcomes? It's institutionalized to not actually focus on. Outcomes because the business model of the health care system is volume, it's how many patients can you see, not what their outcomes are. We are paid for volume, not outcomes. Now, should you see that as a surgeon? I'm going. Yeah. So absolutely I mean it's it's it's how many chart notes can you write. And Bill every day. That's why doctors are seeing 30 to 40 patients a day with 15 different diagnoses for each one. Obviously you can't help that patient thrive and get healthier. All you can do is write the prescription, because we are paid for volume. And the actual mantra of all. Doctors must. Know that all doctors know. The unofficial mantra of private practice medicine is you eat what you kill, which means you get paid. You eat for how much volume you can do, how many surgeries you can sell, how many people you can get through in and out of your office. Now, back in, when Obamacare was coming about, they were, you know, which was really an utter failure. There was lip service that was paid to this idea of value based care. Okay. Which sounds great on paper, right? So value is good outcomes over lower cost. This sounds great. We'll get paid more as doctors if we have better outcomes over lower cost. What is the highest value intervention you can do for a patient? Get them to eat healthy. Doesn't cost a lot. Has incredible outcomes universally right? Going into sleep, going into exercise, we would have moved towards that. But even that was corrupted by corporate interests because how the doctor had to report on quality was through these metrics called MIPs, basically, you know, merit based incentive, little criteria. And they were most of them were based on how many of their patients were medicated. So instead of a doctor having to report quality, as I have a patient who got better, who got healthier, which. We expect. Was how much of the patient population was on long term medication. So the actual good outcome was defined by medication adherence in a practice rather than is the patient reverse of their disease. Every disease I so it. Wasn't the- Actual it wasn't the outcome. The outcome ended up being how many of the patients took meds. So even with lip service to good outcomes, it's not a healthier cell. It's a medicated patient. Those are two different things. We did not learn that in medical. What can I ask you? I mean, again, I don't want to get too personal, but like, what about the doctors that you were trained with or served under? Who trained you? I'm sure a lot of them are good people. I know all the smart. Yes. Like the things that you're describing would be pretty easy for anyone with an IQ over 80 to notice, right? They not notice this. Like what is that? There's several aspects to it. You know, I think that because med school is funded by far by you know, when I was at Stanford Medical School, we got a $3 million grant from Pfizer to revise our curriculum with. And you can look up the articles from this time. It was around 2011 that the the grant was with no strings attached. They had no control over what the curriculum developed was going to be. But, you know, if you're accepting $3 million from Pfizer, of course it's going to have an influence on what we're learning. And the dean received consulting payments as well, actually. Yeah. The the dean during her time, Philip Pizzo was a pain specialist. Pfizer was the one of the largest opioid makers. And, he received direct consulting payments from opioid makers. And that year that they received that Pfizer grant, he was appointed, which I was actually involved with, was working for pharma at the time to an NIH panel to make opioid, guidance with the with the burgeoning crisis. He selected that panel. How can you have a more prestigious person, the dean of Stanford med School, nine out of the 19 people he selected were directly paid for with consulting payments from opioid companies. And that panel in 2000, in 2012 recommended more relaxed opioid standards and said that the idea of addictiveness was overblown and led to an increase of the curve in opioid deaths. And, you know, we're talking a lot about the opioid crisis right now. J.D. Vance talking about it. It's just, you know, destroying Appalachia and large parts of American America. What people don't, I think, realize was that the majority of opioid overdose deaths started with illegal prescription. That's right. So that's how it works. So I was actually I think. It's sort of hard to hear that. And not again, one doesn't want to be judgmental. However, that seems like criminal behavior to me. Here's something you may not have known. 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It's rotten. It's rotten the way that we're it's wrong biologically how we're thinking about the body. But you even look at the med school, you can you tell. Us really quick how. Well, in the sense that we don't learn anything, they're not 80% medical, so don't have a single class on nutrition. And yet food is the cause of nine out of ten leading causes of death in the United States. So you were saying, but even to zoom out a little further, you were saying at breakfast, you put it so well, of course, I can't remember because you were saying that medical education disconnects the body into its components, but doesn't address it as a, as a connected thing. So this is the point that's going to potentially create insolvency in our economy and ruin us as a species. Is this exact point. It's it's. Not that the stakes are high. Is that we have convinced people and doctors at the body is 100 separate parts. The body is one system, one unified system. Obviously something happening your toe can affect everywhere else in the body. And yet we have essentially brainwashed people and doctors to believe that specialization is king, right? What is the most prestigious doctor? Right. It's someone who is hyper sub specialized. We basically diminish the value of primary care in pediatrics, these general specialties. Yet someone who's a neuropathologist is like at the peak of those, it's literally someone who did my residency. So five years have had a neck surgery residency and then two, two additional years just focusing on two square inches of the ear to focus on the ear, basically, and do surgery of the ear. That is the dean of Stanford right now, the dean of Stanford Medical School is a neurobiologist. So the more specialized you get, the more prestigious you get. And what this does is it creates a system in which we actually start to see the body as 100 different, separate parts, and we lose sight of how all of these things are connected. We lose sight of the research that's telling us how all these diseases are connected, that the diabetes that's happening all your body, all of your body. Actually, we know that type two diabetes greatly increases our risk for hearing loss. But a neurologist doesn't really want to think about that. They want to operate on the ear. Right. And so you lose sight of the connections and you get a patient in 15 different specialist office. So many Americans are going through this right now where you go to the primary care doctor with ten issues and you end up with ten different referrals to different specialists, and no one has any education, time or financial incentive to think about how all those diseases are related. So what you do is you have specialists reacting to the same, the symptoms happening in different parts of the body, rather than anyone understanding how to think about how it's all connected, which when you go down that road, when you start asking why, you realized it is extremely, extremely simple, that all aspects of modern American society are rigged against the American patient to get us, you know, addicted to food, allegiant to pharma, and just spending ten hours a day on our phones addicted. And now we are all sick, our bodies are breaking, and it's leading to all these organs, specific symptoms that are related to a very simple root cause. Can I press you just a tiny bit? Sure. I hate this, I know this. Why did you come to that conclusion and none of your colleagues did? I just I think it's really important. Yeah. To understand why certain people see obvious truths while everyone else is, including smart people are blinded to them. What about you allowed you to connect these pretty obvious dots? Parenting. How? What did your parents do? My parents, our parents focused on incentives. Incentives are everything. Incentives are why Americans are sick right now. If we change the incentives, we'd get healthy in two years. Our country would be the most competitive country in the world. My parents incentive in our family was to ask questions, not to have any stars or marks or anything, you know? So what was celebrated in our family was sitting down at the at the dinner table in D.C. and asking questions and poking at ideas. We were celebrated for thinking about things in a bigger picture. That is not. You talked about this with Tim Dillon on your recent podcast, The Boomers. You know, they just want the stars for their kids, you know, to just to get all these little badges. But that was not what was celebrated. My father. We developed our own compulsion to climb up the ladder, but it was always instilled like, you never. Never think of yourself. Actually, like our parents were that happy with rising up. And it was like, why are we being good? People ask. And that was really instilled in us. Did they have a like a moral or explicit moral center? Like this is right. I think they were very spiritual people. Yeah. We were raised with spirituality. We were reading, you know, sacred texts and the Bible and Rumi and and Rand and all these different things from a young age, discussing it at the dinner table, thinking about philosophy. And so that was what was celebrated. They were not conformists. When I quit my surgical residency in my fifth and final year, after hundreds of thousands of dollars, yeah. My education, my parents threw me a party. They were asking where I am. They came and no apparent would do that. No parent, they they were and they never told me to quit. Hundreds of. Thousands of. Solutely. They were so proud of me for coming to my own conclusions and seeing it. And I there's a lot of. Even though so the incentive for parents in recent DC, where I raised my children is to tell people in your neighborhood, your friends, oh yeah, that you have a daughter who's a Stanford. They never pushed us to go to Stanford. They never pushed us to even they never. I never once ever in our entire childhood, they said, you need to go to your college counseling meeting ever, ever. They were about having fun and thinking we were, you know, they were they were older parents, too. You know, my parents were in their 40s when they had us. They lived life. They were not living through us. They were spiritually grounded. They're not afraid of death. You know, they don't they aren't driven by the materialism that just makes you rack up a wall full of, you know, Awards. It was about. You're making me emotional. Yeah. So that is the reason. That is the reason. And and I mean, there's privilege involved in it too. Of course. Like, we had financial backstop. You know, a lot of my friends going to medicine, they were supporting their families. Right. And I have so much respect for that. And the fact that people's options are limited. But doctors are in a trap. You know, it's $500,000 of education. You have this guaranteed salary, and all you have to do is drink the Kool-Aid. All you have to do is stay heads down and not ask questions, not ask why. And you can really feel good about your work, right? People are sick as hell in this country, and we do need people to be doing heart surgery or else people will die. But the the thing that is so imperative for people to understand is that the reasons we're having surgery, the reasons why we're getting sick, the reasons why American competitiveness is plummeting, the reasons why our kids are chronically ill. Half of the kids in America are chronically ill, are all from preventable issues. So if you're a doctor who's not spending any time on focusing on that, then unfortunately, for better or worse, you are bankrolling on the problem. Do you remember when you. I honestly think you're going to change the world. I mean that I mean that thank you, thank you. Just have to say that thank you. Thank you for having us here. Oh. So suit your description of your parents is. It brings me to tears. Oh, my. Gosh, I cannot wait to have children. There is no greater role. There is no greater role in this world. And, you know, I was sold such a bill of lies, like climb the corporate, you know, climb the medical ladder, become the chair of an institution. I can think of no greater thing that we can do than have children and keep them healthy. Yeah, right. And I just, you know, up until a couple years ago, I don't even want to have children cause I thought I was a liability to this, to this value system of just, like, rise the ranks, you know, make money. But I don't think there's anything more important we could be doing than creating healthy children who are thinking for themselves, who are eating healthy food. And I cannot wait for that role. And I think it's a spiritual corruption of our society right now that we have forgotten that this is the most important thing that we can do. You know, it's it's it's unbelievable how far off we are. And I think it is deeply a spiritual crisis because we have lost sight of what really matters, in our, in our lives. And you are singing my song and much better than I ever could. So that is. Sorry. So completely carried away. Oh. So I guess now is the time, since we're talking about your parents, tell us. And your brother and I, I've talked about this at some length. I know this is painful, but about your mother, her illness, how that affected your. What you're doing now. Our mother was our best friend. This book is dedicated to her. And, you know, I think my mom, she's sort of the archetypal American patient, you know, and, she's someone who was totally faithful to the American healthcare system and, like so many other Americans, was ultimately completely let down by it. You know, she passed away far too early. After 40 years of completely missed warning signs of the root causes of all the different symptoms and conditions she was racking up. So, you know, she had me when she was 40. I was a humongous baby born. And Sibley Hospital. I was almost 12 pounds. Carly was almost 12 pounds. And that's a huge baby. And, you know, that's actually a term for a baby over 8.5 pounds, which is fetal marker someo, which portends metabolic issues in a mother and metabolic issues in the baby. And I had them. I was 210 pounds by the time I was in eighth grade, you know, and my mom had trouble losing the baby weight, had a very tough menopause in our 60s, got all the American diagnoses, high cholesterol. They gave her Stanton high blood pressure, they Renaissance Lipitor, high blood sugar, they metformin. Oh, this is normal. It's a rite of passage. You know every American's getting these diseases. So she went to all the specialists. She went to the cardiologist nanotechnologies. Her primary care doctor got all these medications. And then, you know, she's 72 years old, doing everything the doctors are telling you to do, taking the pills every single day. And she gets a diagnosis of, she has some shed, some belly pain one day, went to the doctor. It lasted for a few weeks. She got a CT scan stage for widely metastatic pancreatic cancer. She was dead 13 days later. And she was seen at the best hospitals in the in the country. You know, she was seen it. She was taking executive physicals at Mayo. She was being seen at Stanford and Palo Alto Medical Foundation. And they looked at us in the eye, and they looked at us after her death and said, oh my God, this is so unlucky. And I knew enough at that time to know there was nothing unlucky about this. This was an entirely predictable sequence of events from the age of 40 to the age of 72. She had, as you suggested, I think, every possible advantage, like clearly high functioning person who followed the guidance, had the means to do it, had a daughter with you, specialty knowledge, a physician daughter. So like she had every possible. Advance, did every single thing they said, and died at 72, in the prime of her life, from conditions that were on the exact same spectrum. So these can every condition I mentioned in earlier in this episode and every condition she had her on this metabolic disease. So you believe so pancreatic cancer specifically if my memory serves and I think it does was kind of an unusual it was always famously dangerous, deadly rocketing. I have noticed like all of a sudden people, you know. What are the risk factors? Obesity, diabetes, smoking. It is fundamentally a lifestyle disease, pancreatic why it is going up. So is breast cancer. Breast cancer I mean breast cancer is now 1 in 8 women. You know this is an estrogen often. And as. Foodborne illness. Estrogen driving cancer. Well where are these extra estrogens coming from. Oh Maybe it's the 6 billion pounds of pesticides that are being invisibly sprayed on all of our food and poisoning it. And what are these pesticides doing? They're estrogen receptor agonist. Interesting being sold to us from China and from Germany. You know, which they're not using in their food. They're illegal. What does that what does that mean? I'm sorry. I just want to make sure the science is clear. I don't I don't really understand it. It's the effects of these chemicals on food is what. So the the ostensibly these these chemicals are being used 6 billion pounds globally per year because of pest control. They're also being used on our children's parks and golf courses and all over the place. They're invisible, they're tasteless, and they are directly toxic to our cellular biology. So they're pesticide side is the word for the act of killing. So herbicides and such sites fungicides. And they are so toxic that 20% of all suicides globally are performed by drinking pesticides. And yet we're told by our government that they're totally safe. There's this, this all this will shock you. But you look at so, you know, the largest merger ever done in Germany was Bayer Monsanto, where Bayer which is a pharmaceutical company merged with Monsanto, which is an agrochemical company, United States. If you look at what, Bayer makes, they make cancer drugs for things like non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. And if you look at what Monsanto makes, which is roundup, which is the most widely used pesticide in America, the cancer that it, causes is non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. They paid out $11 billion in the past couple years for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cases. So the companies are emerging that are directly known to cause the disease with a medical company that has a treatment for the disease like this is very, very dark. And, so, like Carly said, you know, it's kind of this revolving door, between create the illness, treat the illness, and hide the science that tells us what's happening. But but this is all result of. The food industry wanted food cheaper, and we spend per capita half as much on food as as they do in Europe. But we spend three times more per capita on health care. So I would my big point to everyone is this is not the free market at work. This is food companies lobbying to have neurotoxins and endocrine disrupting chemicals on our food that are toxic, that aren't allowed on any other food and any other developed country in order to make food a lot cheaper. And then to your point about, you know, what does the, what do these chemicals do? It increases estrogen. And, you know, these kids are inhaling hormone disrupting chemicals. So and now. The New York Times recently had a front page article, that puberty rates are particularly among women in the United States are plummeting. People are hitting puberty younger years earlier, younger girls. And the. Average girl in America is getting hitting puberty, which is sexual maturity, six years earlier than they were in 1900. We have the earliest puberty rates of any continent in the world. It's age ten. And 10 to 13. And this is in large part thought to do because of we are literally giving children estrogen with all the plastics we're ingesting, which are ZnO estrogens, meaning they are exogenous artificial estrogens, and the pesticides which can activate the acid receptors like atrazine. I mean, you can put atrazine, which is a pesticide that we spray, about 70 million pounds of in the US every year. It's not legal in Europe, but it's sold to us from international countries. Legal in Europe. No, you cannot use it. And you put this on a developing male frog embryo and it turns into a female frog. That's how much of an estrogen disrupting an estrogen or an endocrine disrupting chemical that it is. And so these chemicals are not inert. And again, because we can cherry pick science and so much of these science I mean, these papers are PR papers paid for by industry. The Monsanto papers was a huge thing that, you know, a revelation. They had to declassify these documents that Monsanto had basically ghostwritten scientific papers to say that these chemicals are safe. We can ask an obvious question. So, the incidence of transgenderism or whatever we're calling it, have, you know, but Sky, I mean, skyrocket thousands of percent increase in the last ten years. And there are many threads to this is partly a political movement, social movement. But you sort of wonder if it's not also a biological response to these chemicals. Is that I'll say I'll say this just as a demonstrable fact. Our child environment is, to an unprecedented degree, full of hormone disrupting chemicals. The assault on a child's cells and hormones is unrelenting right now. Unrelenting. And their bodies are small. They can't handle it, you know? So you take a child and you put them on a screen. For the average kid is using a screen seven hours a day. Okay. And so this is hitting their dopamine. So that's one input you've got. We're eating a credit card's worth of plastic per week. Right. And these are hormone disrupting chemicals. All of our food. Is eating plastic in that volume. Well the plastic well plastics are in everything now. They're in our air. There are nanoparticles of plastic in the air we're breathing. They're on our water. They're covering every piece of food that we buy in the grocery store. You go to Europe, all the vegetables are just, you know, they're just in these free markets. You know, they're not packaged in the U.S. you go to Trader Joe's, every single piece of food is covered in plastic. That's you've got the plastic water bottles. Every single can that we drink in the United States is lying with a plastic coating. Every single one. It's all getting in. And this can actually directly disrupt our mitochondrial function, which is the metabolic machinery of the cell. So microplastics actually can disrupt the way we make energy in the body. And we know that metabolic issues are the root cause of every chronic illness facing Americans today. You can't make this up, you know? And then you have the you have the there's many effects of these things. But endocrine disrupting and mitochondrial disruption are two of the really big ones. Then you've got the kids eating 70% of their calories that a child is eating today is from a factory, industrially manufactured, ultra processed foods. We know that these foods are destroying our cellular biology. So it's really, you know, and with school start times, kids are not getting enough sleep. So across sleep, across movement, you know, the average kid is spending less time outdoors than a prisoner in America right now. Like kids are not going outside. We're not getting the sunshine. Our circadian rhythms are destroyed. So every level of society, public school start times are disrupting our food, our nutrients, our sleep, our stress and dopamine, our movement patterns and our toxins. And we are destroyed. We are getting destroyed. And this is the invisible hand. And we just have to understand this. When we're thinking about health care policy, there's nothing more powerful than a sick child, as I said, or really hijacking a kid's dopamine, right? Think about the trillions of dollars that are generated from a child's double whammy and being hacked. Being on that phone all day, you know, it's neither good nor bad necessarily. It's just an economic fact. There's a huge incentive for that kid to be, you know, their chronic stress to be just triggered nonstop on that phone. There's huge profit for a child to be addicted to ultra processed food and continuing to demand from their parents that food, you know, there's huge addictive, there's huge incentive for a child to be sick and getting on the stands, which are doubled, and prescription rates in high schools in the past ten years, to get on the accessories that are now handed out like candy in high schools, to get on the metformin, you know, to get on the epic, which is now being recommended. They're pushing for six years old enough for if your child is overweight. Lifetime prescription is epic. That's very profitable. So so you have basically the free market at work. I think capitalism, the greatest invention in human history, but just looking agnostic at the incentives. It's as many pills as we can give that kid as much. We can keep that kid in fear. As much as we can keep that kid sick without dying right away. That's what's fueling the largest industries in. A country. Most of us, well, actually all of us, go through our daily lives using all sorts of quote free technology without paying attention to why it's, quote free. Who's paying for this and how? Think about it from it. Think about your free email account, the free messenger system used to chat with your friends, the free weather, weather app or game app you open up and never think about. It's all free. But is it? No, it's not free. These companies are developing expensive products and just giving him to you because they love you. They're doing it because their programs take all your information. They hoover up your data, private personal data, and sell it to data brokers and the government and all of those people who are not your friends are very interested in manipulating you and your personal, political and financial decisions. It's scary as hell. 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And at the end of it, I thought, well, that's never going to be popular, because that's kind of terrifying. I was wrong, as usual. And now it is ubiquitous. Kids are taking it. College students are taking it. As a physician, what do you what's your your view of ozempic? I think it's very dark. I think it's. It's a stranglehold on the US population. Almost like solidifying this idea that there is a magic pill. I mean, literally, the book by Johann Ari is called Magic Pill. And convincing us that, you know, salvation from our chronic health issues is going to be found in a shot when we are living in a toxic stew that's destroying our cellular biology. You know, it's, of course, for certain patients, taking GLP one agonist is going to be helpful for their conditions. It might jumpstart their their way to getting back to. Is that the name of the active drug GLP one agonist. Yeah. So GLP one. Sorry not not fluent in this. No no it's it's that's what the medications are. And so they're basically stimulating a hormone that's made in our digestive system that cues satiety and does many other things. And so. Satiety is making. Us feel full, full making us, you know, and and what's so interesting, you know, like we are like Kelley said earlier, like, we are the only species in the world that has an obesity and chronic disease epidemic, the only species in the world that has a chronic disease and obesity epidemic because of ultra processed food. You think about every other animal in the wild. They're eating real natural foods except for domesticated animals, which are also getting chronic diseases just like humans because they're eating our food. But every other animal, they're able to regulate their satiety. They're not eating themselves to death like we are. We're literally eating ourselves to death. The reason is because these foods, like Caylee talked about with the cigaret companies and the scientists moving to create addictive processed foods, they are designed to subvert our satiety mechanisms like GLP one secretion, so that we never know that we're full. But if we were eating whole real food, we would cue the exquisite satiety mechanisms in our bodies and we would not overeat. If you're if you're eating real, whole, unprocessed, nutrient rich foods, we have receptors in our gut that make us feel full. It's not you almost if you eat just protein, which is hard. You can't overeat. You cannot. No, that's right. I can't eat too much steak. It's not even. And think about this. You know, it's incredible if you can convince people that that that this is not true, you know, and defy the entire animal kingdom. What's happening with other animal? This could be on track to be the most profitable medication ever in human history. It will be if the powers that be let it. And what the unfortunate part is that it doesn't take our bodies out of the toxic stew that's crushing our biology. Yes, we may melt some fat, but we're really we're essentially creating starvation to melt fat and muscle without changing any of the other levers that we just talked about that are crushing our biology. So this is not the public health solution. You look at what's happening, though. Do you think there are potential downsides to it? I mean, there's every medication has downsides and this one has well-known side effects. It disproportionally causes us to lose muscle mass, which creates frailty, which is one of the things that can cause old people in all age have very poor quality of life and early death. It has a higher rate of thyroid cancer. It has risks on the label of kidney dysfunction, of pancreatitis, of all sorts of things. Every medication have side effects. So if we're going to mass prescribe this. So there's a bill right now in Congress, H.R. 41 eight, which is the Treat and Reduce Obesity Act. And, you know, you look at this and you think, oh, this is great. The government's focusing more on obesity. And this is awesome. There's one line that all that matters in that, which is that they want to expand Medicare access to include coverage for these Medicaid for obesity medications, which are these drugs for people that include overweight and obese. That is 74% of the American population. If this bill goes through and everyone who is eligible for this drug gets it paid by taxpayers, that will represent over $3 trillion per year in drugs to the American people, without changing any of the root causes of what is making us sick. And to add insult to injury, this will be taxpayer money being largely funneled to Europe. Who makes the drug? So people need. Which they don't prescribe, and it's ten times less expensive and it's not the standard of care. And in Norway when you are obese, there's that was made. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. There's a step ladder and you get the keto diet and exercise incentives from the government in the country. That makes us epic. And the American Academy of Pediatrics, in their most recent obesity guidelines, are recommending these drugs for kids as young as 12. And pushing for six. This is a lifelong medication at the cost about $1,500 a month, with many side effects that does not cause. That does not change any of the root causes. Issues that are toxic fying literally destroying our brains and body. Can I can I ask? I mean, I as you've said three times and I hope you'll say it three more. Every drug has side effects. But they seem like intentionally downplayed in a lot of cases. I have no I mean will, most famously with certain Covid related medicines, but, but there are others where they just don't really want to talk about. Doctors don't even want to talk about the potential side effects. Why is that? Because if you have an obese patient. Weird. Okay, let me just paint the picture. They're pushing for six. Obese or overweight. Six years old. Yeah. So we have obviously an obesity crisis among six year olds right now in the country in Japan. The child obesity rate is 3% in the United States, 50% is. Unique to. America, and 50% of teens are overweight or obese. So let's just look at that, right. We're clearly just force feeding into our children toxic food that's causing this massive issue. And now any parent watching particularly lower income because this bill is pushing for Medicaid. So if you're a lower income. So why are they lobbying. Why is this why is this company in Scandinavia, one of the five largest lobbying spenders in America, and pushing so hard for this? And why is the stock so high. And it's the 12th most valuable company in the world. They're expecting 80 to 90% of the profits from the United States from the government. By rigging institution. What institution are pharma companies rigging? They're actually rigging Medicaid. They're actually profiting off poor people. Medicaid is spending more on mitochondrial dysfunction than the entire U.S. defense budget and growing much faster. Right. This is a. Mitochondrial. Various. Metabolic. Metabolic. Issues. For cellular dis. Vibes, we're spending on on Medicaid, more on preventable metabolic chronic conditions than the defense budget. And Medicaid is one of the fastest growing items in the budget. That's all rigged by pharma as a piggybank. So this bill, if you put ozempic on that schedule, then any lower income six year old, the doctor can say, I've got Harvard studies here saying that obesity is genetic. It's not your child's fault. Let's get them a lifetime jabs. If it's genetic, why didn't exist 100 years ago? Good question. But Harvard and the NIH and the American Academy of Pediatrics are saying it's a brain disease. It's genetic. And on 60 minutes, as we talked about, a leading Harvard physician, Fatima Cody Stanford said that it's a that throw willpower out the window. This is a genetic condition. And it's actually, she said, an affront in classes and racist to suggest it's anything other than genetic. So that's the message being told from medical research. We ask why? Because the second you can get that six year old on a lifetime injection. And let's just take this to every drug. It's the chronic disease treadmill. They're told that injection is a savior. Right. And then the government, it's the largest line item in our budget. It's going to bankrupt a country. It's growing faster than any other line item in the budget. Right. And Medicaid, the government is going to pay for that lower income kid $1,500 a month, because the government also has to just pay the sticker price, right? We're paying our sticker price is ten times more expensive than Germany. So so so so the second you get something on the Medicaid schedule, then all lower income people are open season. And what's so criminal about this and what so representative why this is a problem is that the medical system is saying they're saying it's a social justice issue. It's a moral issue. We have to pay $1,500 for 74% of U.S. adults who are overweight or obese per month. That we have, that we have to find the money. The stock is the 12th most valuable company in the world, an expectation that the U.S. is going to say that. But where is that urgency from the medical system about why this stuff is happening in the first place, why it's not happening in Japan? Where is the urgency on saying, hey, parents, maybe we shouldn't feed our kids toxic food. Maybe we should be looking at the root cause of obesity. And so this is the key point. Forget any public policy, the medical leadership should just say the truth. They should explain why there's an obesity crisis among children. It's not a ozempic deficiency. It's because of very simple inputs to our metabolic environment and frankly, a rigged system where our food has been compromised. There's nothing conservative or liberal about our food system being, oh, I- I couldn't agree more. It's not the medical system. Before, any public policy should simply state that. And a key point in America is that we listen to our medical leaders. We change our diet. When the food pyramid came out, we smoking rates plummeted. When the surgeon general or. Americans got the Covid. Vaccine, when Doctor Fauci said, get the vaccine. Most people we respect and listen. But medical providers, they actually literally have social justice components where they're they're actually, not able to recommend, natural food because there's a component in the USDA nutrition guidelines which takes into account social justice. So they're worried about affordability. May I ask what what does that mean. So it's it's racist to eat non poisonous food in America. It is classist and racist to suggest that mothers shouldn't be poisoning their kids. Yes, that is what the USDA argues. So it seems like yet another example. There are so many of them, and you've talked about them when you were lobbying for Coke of the richest people in this society, the ones who were looting the society using issues like racism or sexism or classism as cudgels to beat back criticism of their looting. Right. The ACP is a registered lobbyist for Ozempic. Today they're making a scratch. Our head is like, how is it? How can we how are we so delusional that we think it is easier to inject a child weekly for life than find a way to get that child healthy food like that? Is that is a track that we're on right now. That is as that is insane. But we're believing it. We're drinking that Kool-Aid. It doesn't make any sense. We could take these dollars so simply, so easily and funnel them towards healthier diet and lifestyle. $3 trillion a year. We could feed every country, every single American family with organic food for $3 trillion a year, but instead where we're taking those health care dollars and steering them towards drugs, which doesn't fix the root cause issue. Our message isn't drug or anti-drug. It's just like, let's look at the problem. Like I say, you're just an alien that came down from space. You look at America. Kids and adults are just overwhelmingly metabolic, dysfunctional, obese, diabetic. It's like you'd never say like, let's keep have this keep happening and then jab everyone and drug everyone and manage that. It was just never it's just follow the science. Maybe drugs actually do come into play there. But the history of chronic disease medications has been a complete disaster. We always say, if you have a gunshot wound, an emergency surgical need that's going to kill you right away. Complicated childbirth, infection, 100%. The medical systems, American acute. Issues. Chronic disease. Medications didn't exist before 1960. The first one was the birth control pill, the first pill that you took for more than a couple of weeks. That didn't cure the issue right away, ever. So in 1960, 0% of the medical attention was on chronic conditions where we can talk about that, but 90 0% was chronic conditions. Today, 95% of spending is on chronic conditions, because what the system realized is that they can take the trust engendered after World War two with antibiotics and various medical innovations that helped to win that war and then steer it towards chronic conditions. So by the 1970s, 30% of women in the United States were on Valium, a highly addictive drug. Only physically addictive. Yeah. And, and it's just been a battle to shift the medical system to chronic disease. And we just go to the pill really quick. I just want to say upfront that, you know, I'm Protestant, never had a problem with birth control. I never thought about it, but, at all. So that's my position or has been my position, which is actually radically changing as we speak. But, I've always felt that way, so I never really thought about it, but I always noticed that you were not allowed to criticize the pill, period. Like that was not allowed in the world I grew up in. You can have all kinds of kooky opinions. You cannot criticize the birth control pill. And now I feel like maybe we were played a little bit. Why are you you're laughing sardonically. Yeah, I mean, I, I can. He was a physician, but I can also just speak as a woman who has taken all these different medications because it's liberation. Yeah. It's liberation. We can do whatever we want, you know, and I can. Who needs to get a period when you can, you know, work in the hospital 100 hours a week and put off having and then I freeze my eggs at 37 and have kids, you know. So as a woman, I mean, I do think, of course, these drugs have helped in some ways, but we are prescribing them like candy. We're prescribing them for acne. We're prescribing them for PCOS, polycystic ovarian syndrome, the leading cause of infertility. United States, which is a metabolic issue driven by our food, and how the food interacts with genetics. And then, of course, for birth control. So you've got these medications that are literally shutting down the the hormones in the female body that create this cyclical, life giving nature of women. We basically told women, these hormones don't matter. Your ability to create the most miracle of any miracles, which is create life, just shut it down. There's no impacts. That's crazy to me. And as I've woken up from this, I'm realized, like your cycle and having these hormonal cycles is is part and parcel with our health in every possible way, and also with the miracle of creating life. And so for years, you just lose the biofeedback of what's happening with your cycle. It is the it is one of the key barometers of female health. How is your cycle doing? Is it regular or is it heavy? And we're just we just shut it down and say there's no repercussions for that, which I think gets to a larger issue, which is a disrespect of life. Right? Yes. It's a disrespect of things that create life. And I think about you've got the pill and it just goes hand in hand with the rise. And this is going to seem a little far out there, but like it goes right in line with the hand of industrial agriculture. You know, the spraying of these pesticides, the things that give life in this world, which are women and soil, we have tried to dominate and shut down the cycles. We have lost respect for life, which again gets to the spiritual Christ. Go and keep going. I love this. And I think you. Are speaking truth right now. I can, for. The sake of efficiency, write for this delusion of short term gains for yields for profit. But what we need to realize is that we live in an interdependent ecosystem that has to be harmonious, not dominated, which means gentler, you know? And so by taking a hammer to women's hormones, taking a hammer to pests, what we've done is we've essentially we are destroying the the things that give us life in this country. And that is why that is, I think, part of the root cause of why things feel so dark right now. Because it's bigger than all of this. We are actually turning our back on life. Does it surprise you that all of this happened within 20 years of developing the atom bomb? No. And I mean, speaking of that, you know, I mean, I think it's really interesting to think about the relationship between war and what's happening unknown. And so where do I where did all these pesticides that are, that have destroyed our life giving soil and are creating a fragile food system, which is going to create a food crisis at some point? Where did they all come from? Nazi Germany. Right. So Hitler was developing chemicals of war and trying to create agriculture solutions to create more food yields for Germany. And these some of these pesticides, these organophosphate chemicals were turned directly into sprays that we're putting on all our food. The interrelationship between Nazi Germany and what's being sprayed on every piece of food. United States is deeply linked, and we need to think about that. Right? 15% of and I one other thing I just want to say this is being federally subsidized by the government to the farm bills. We haven't spoken about the farm bills, but you think about this funneling of money that's happening and how the government, in a way, is working against us. And I don't think it's nefarious at all. I think people just don't understand. We've talked to so many congresspeople, they just don't understand the health effects of all these things that are happening of the processed foods. And, you know, everyone likes their Oreos. So it's it's it's a tough issue because we're addicted. But the farm bills are making all these unhealthy foods cheaper. They federally subsidize commodity crops which are turned into processed food. So this is the corn, the soy, the wheat, making these foods artificially cheaper. So this is why, you know, people say this is and this is where the social justice peace comes into it. It is in many ways, it is much harder, as a poor American, to buy food that is not poisoned because our government is making the poisoned food cheaper. You know what? What is happening? We don't even it's. Not a free market. It's not a free market at work. This is not a free market. It's rigged. It's rigged against poor people. And so there's nothing conservative about what's happening. And President Trump is calling this out. He's obviously calling us out. But but calling out a rigged market is not an attack on the free market. We need to speak truth here, particularly when it's impacting human care. Calling out a rigged market is a call for a free market. It's a it's imperative. That's right. And, you know, working for these companies, we actually used to use that argument. You rigged the market and then yell nanny state whenever anyone questions the rig market. And the fact that there's more agriculture subsidies that go to tobacco than fruits and vegetables. 0.4% of agricultural subsidies go to fruits and vegetables. 2% goes to tobacco, 90% goes to ultra processed food. And it's highly slanted against small farmers. You know, this gets dark. I mean, talking about the Nazis, you know, 15% of it. Well, I mean, it's just I do think it's not accidental that that was regime based on cult practices that hated Christianity and whose contract, which no one ever seems to remember, it was murdering hundreds of thousands of Germans in hospitals, through euthanasia, so-called mercy killing of kids and adults who were substandard. Yes. So, yeah. Does it surprise you that atomic weapons and poison pesticides both came from that regime? No. Not really. Well, also, you know. Sorry. That's just all true. So they always tell you it's the most important election of your lifetime. But of course, this one actually is. That's demonstrable. Today, 15% of high schoolers on Adderall. Adderall was created by Nazi Germany. So, yeah, there's a great book called blitzed. About this, but but, Merck developed the precursor Adderall in order to get the German soldiers. So they got one pill a day, and actually, it was discontinued by the end of the war because there was such psychosis among the German soldiers taking this every day, it was to make them more aggressive. They actually reformulated it Merck and made a stronger version. And that is Adderall, which is now given to 15% of children. You know, and this, this, this idea that, you know, many parents watching just as I zenpix being pushed on their kids, just as SSRI is being pushed on their kids, just as stans are being pushed on their kids, parents being crowded with medical studies, saying they're putting their kid at risk for not following this medical guidance. They're also, if their kid is a little bit distracted, being sitting in a sedentary environment with limited sunlight, being force fed, ultra processed food, they're getting a little fidgety, and they're prescribed Adderall right away. That's the standard of care. Not even thinking about you. Think about any animal you put in a cage. Low sunlight, sedentary. You go crazy. Horse feeding, ultra processed food. So just as we got prisoners, just. As a societal level here, you know, we're we're really committing mass child abuse in many ways, and we're normalizing that and we're not speaking out about that. And, and then and then we're giving people stimulants developed by Nazi Germany. I mean, it's, it's kind of crazy. That's much more profitable. I mean, from a pure economic standpoint, getting a kid off of this treadmill cost millions of dollars. You know, a diabetic person on Medicaid, if they're diabetic, by the time they're 30, they're they're getting millions of dollars. They're generating millions of dollars paid for by the government, the pharmaceutical and health care companies, millions of dollars. If you train a lower income person, you know, and talk to them about metabolic health, you know, frankly, reading the principles case he talks about in the book, and, and they're they're going on a path of thriving, of understanding with their family what they're putting in their bodies of of movement. They're costing the system millions of dollars. That's how the kind of economic reality of how the system works. There's that's kind of the battle. Getting to your point about how people let this happen on doctors, I think the brilliance of the systemic design is the most revered. People in our society are basically able to keep up this system. They're able to have their fancy studies that really just take responsibility for managing the disease instead of curing. Right. They, they censor. I, I had a call when I attacked the dean of Tufts Nutrition School, the most prominent nutrition researcher in the country, Dariush Mozaffarian. He called me and actually threatened to call Stanford where we both went. And he said, you know, we know the same people at Stanford. This is this is not right to be upsetting the apple cart. And I said, well, does your school not take the majority of its funding from food companies to impact nutrition policy in the United States? He said, of course we do. But that doesn't impact my judgment on the fact that you're calling that out and the fact that your question, the study that we conducted with the NIH that said Lucky Charms were healthier than beef, the fact they were calling the. It really isn't polite. This isn't how it works, Kylie. And you know, we know the same people at Stanford, and this isn't this isn't polite. I'm going to call Stanford, and, basically threatening me to be kicked out of the club. That that's how this works. And then these studies are used to create, you know, influence the USDA guidelines. 95% of people on the USDA Nutrition Guidelines for America 20, 20 and 25 had a conflict of interest with food companies. These studies are used to influence what the USDA is basically saying can go in school lunches. The USDA controls the US School Lunch program, which serves 3 billion meals per year to students. Largest fast food chain in America is the USDA School Lunch program. And, you know, just this past year, Kraft Hines is brokering deals with the USDA to put Lunchables in schools. These are a top growth area for Kraft. What's a what's what's a lunchable? It's it's it's it's a it's a plasticized squares, crackers and crackers. That's going to be the school lunches. And these corporate deals are happening. And it's studies like this that, that assuming. Lunchables are somehow. Good, there's some. But you look at the ingredients, there's about, you know, 60 ingredients in these in these packages. There's no fruit, there's no vegetables. It's literally processed flour, processed sugar, processed oil. It's just these staples of the American ultra processed food system that will that will just rotting children's brains and bodies. You would you believe right today. And I think this is one of the most criminal that we talk about. We can change today the USDA, which sets the standards that impact schools, that impact parents perceptions, everything. They say that a healthy diet for two year old is up to 10% added sugar. They're recommending added sugar for two year olds when we have a metabolic health crisis, a childhood obesity crisis, and we're 33% of young adults now have prediabetes, which would have just been absolutely unthinkable. There's an assault on children's cells because of our food, added sugar. It's a huge one. And the USDA recommends that they imagine. And this is just it's so simple. If medical leaders actually had courage, if we had the the volume and the urgency of our medical community talking about the Covid vaccine, about the childhood chronic disease crisis, not banning sugar, not banning anything, but just from a medical perspective, saying it's it's probably a good idea to relook at what we're feeding kids in the midst of a metabolic health crisis. And probably sugar should be discouraged. They don't say that right now. The USDA just put a report out saying a diet 93% in ultra processed food for kids could be healthy. The USDA is doing marketing for ultra processed food. They're not speaking in a clear voice, because 95% of the advisers on the committee are corrupted. 40% of the advisers that President Biden has already, put for the next committee are paid for by the microphones. Epic. Why do we have a huge chunk of the USDA nutrition guideline committee paid for by Ozempic? You'll have to unpack that one for. Foreign drug man. Yeah. And then you've got, you know, Jason and Travis Kelly doing brokering it. You might have seen they're they're now endorsing a new cereal blend with General Mills. And every mainstream media outlet is with them basically laughing about how great this is. You know, they're not talking about this metabolic disease epidemic that's destroying our children. They just turn a blind eye to any of the problematic nature of this, because, of course, their funding, ad funding comes from farm and food. Can can I ask, so, you all are focused on children, which is, you know, indisputably the right thing, but for, you know, people my age, maybe even your age, you know, watching someone you love die from dementia, from Alzheimer's, universally regarded as the worst thing, just the worst thing. And it seems to me the incidence of of dementia is rising. Am I imagining that? If it's true, why is it happening? What can be done? It's going up rapidly. It's happening. Younger people, we're seeing old timers and people as young as 50. There are no drugs that actually, reverse the disease. There are no good drugs for Alzheimer's. And we know still still there are no drugs. That's there is drugs that slightly slow the progression but do nothing to reverse the disease. And, research from top journals in the world like the Lancet have explicitly stated that it is modifiable lifestyle factors that drive the development of this disease. Things like healthy eating, smoking, and moving and exercise, these are the best possible way we could prevent Alzheimer's in this country is by people getting up and moving more, eating unprocessed organic food, not smoking. And of course, you never hear that, right? This is a largely preventable disease that is sky Alzheimer's right now. Largely preventable. Largely preventable Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's with with simple, free lifestyle habits right now, Alzheimer's, dementia. Many researchers are calling it type three diabetes. Okay, we have type two diabetes, type one diabetes, type three diabetes because there is such a link between metabolic dysfunction and the development of the disease. And you think about it makes a complete obvious sense. The brain is 2% of our body weight, but it uses 20% of our energy because it's like a computer. It's high processing power, right? It's using two. Tons of energy to make all these billions of neurons work, right? So 20% of our body's energy metabolic dysfunction is a problem with how our body makes energy, because our cells are destroyed by our food and our environment. So you have a problem in the body systemically, like diabetes or type or prediabetes. That's that's an overt representation of our bodies not making energy properly that is going to disproportionately affect the brain. Okay. So an underpowered brain is going to not be able to think properly. And that's what's happening in Alzheimer's. There's a neuro energetic theory of Alzheimer's that creates the downstream issues that we talk about, like the plaques in the brain and things like that. These are responses to a fundamental issue with how the brain is powering itself. So we need to just all wake up and realize we need to support the cells of the body with the simple, evidence based habits that let us be metabolically healthy, so our brain has the energy to do its work. Is there is so if if dementia or Alzheimer's mean there are many forms of dementia. Correct? Yes. Okay. So but if at least the big one is caused by metabolic dysfunction, is it conceivably reversible or slow with changes to behavior? There are amazing researchers like doctor Dale Bredesen, the doctor David Perlmutter, many others who have shown that we can reverse the symptoms of Alzheimer's with a healthier lifestyle. Doctor Dale Bredesen, who wrote The End of Alzheimer's, which everyone should read. It's is the most effective reversal protocol ever. Ever. What is it? He talks about how there's, you know, there's not one thing here, right? It's a breaking of the cells. And that can happen from a lot of different things in our environment. So he talks about like 36 holes in the roof that basically have to be plugged for the rain to stop pouring into the house. Right. So it's not just one thing. It's we've got to check our vitamin D levels. We've got to check our insulin levels. We've got to get our B12 levels right. There's all these things that we know affect the cellular biology of our brain. And essentially, when you overwhelm the body too much and under nourish it, there's going to be breakdown. And so we have to examine each of these factors that we know is linked to dementia, and then fix each one. And the path for you might be different for me. Right. Some of those 36 factors might be fine in you, but not fine in me. And we might have different ones. So that's why personalized medicine is so important. Because we have to understand, you know, it's it's it's from all aspects of our environment that our cells are getting hurt. So we have to realize through testing and personalized, you know, medicine which in our body are causing the problems. But by and large, the simple reality is if we're eating nutrient rich whole foods, moving our bodies, getting enough sleep, staying intellectually stimulated, not smoking, and avoiding toxins, our cells are going to do a much better job doing their work. The first chapter of when we Get into plans is really guiding. Kasey guides through a list of how to read blood tests. You know, I got on a path a couple years ago when I had my regular cholesterol test. They said I was perfectly fine, so to turn she's like, this is blaring metabolic dysfunction. I go back to my doctor, they're like, oh yeah, it's really bad, but you're not treatable. Yeah, you're not ready for a. And so we just say you're fine. Like a key thing is serious. Yeah. Yeah. So you get to treatable levels and then when you everyone but but we're brewing metabolic dysfunction. Everyone, especially people in our 2030s and 40s that are healthy are brewing metabolic dysfunction. They're brewing those things. But my mom was told she was healthy by her primary care provider months before the cancer diagnosis because she was on five medications, which is less than the average American her age. Right. With these are all rites of passage, right? You know, so so I wasn't quite at the standard level. So a key thing. And we arm this with the book just with the free blood test. And then there's new services, this personalized medicine revolution where you can get 100 blood tests, companies like Function Health, or you can go to a functional medicine doctor, you can order these tests are just a couple hundred bucks and you can get more of a personalized view, and then you can attack those deficiencies with food and with supplementation and get the root cause of things under control. And to our point in the book is that dementia is on the same. It's a branch of the same tree. It's diabetes as heart disease, as kidney disease, and even dying of Covid. These are all very similar things. If you can cure the root, if you can understand. So a lot of our advice would just be work through the personalized blood test, understand what's happening you and then match those nutrient needs with your food and with your supplementation to cure what your blood tests are telling you. And if you get your metabolic biomarkers more under control, you are able to reverse and absolutely prevent most of the conditions that are plaguing the American people that have really only become new phenomenons in the past generation. It's all kind of rooted in the same thing. And that's really what our big mission is, is like we need actually a new paradigm of how we view chronic disease. I mean, it's actually just a lie, right? That if you have a high cholesterol, high blood sugar and depression, you're seeing three different doctors who aren't talking to each other at all. That's just wrong. It's very profitable. It's wrong. You're on three different lifetime plans. You can really solve it with the root cause. And that's if the medical system was sane, right? Would lower costs and unleash human capital. You know, we're debating on the margins right now on the left and the right about how to change page. 300 of Medicare Part D. Unless we're attacking the core incentive that was embedded by a bomb scare, which was probably the deadliest law passed in recent history. What Obamacare did is it ingrained the incentive that the medical system makes more money when people get sicker through this populist idea of like taking on the insurance companies. That said, insurance companies can only make a 15% profit margin medical loss ratio. They need to pay out 85% of their spending. But because, now insurance companies can only get 15%, but by law enshrined in Obamacare, they can raise premiums to get that 15%. What's their incentive? You're instead of us for the pie to grow. Your incentive is for cost to go up. So Obamacare actually incentivized insurance companies to have no cost controls. What is no cost controls means it means more people getting sick. So we're talking about inflation a lot right now. By far the top driver of inflation America right now is health care. And that's happening because there's no rain on cost. There's no rain on costs because everyone makes money when we get sicker. That's no excuse. That's 85% of their budget has to go to care. They take 15% by law from Obamacare. The more that we spend actually on health care, the more expenditures for patients, the more they're 15% gross. That's crazy. So I mean, in a functioning system, of course, insurers would have the greatest possible. Not. Illness. Obamacare out of a populist kind of we're going to we're going to cap their profit margins. But they lobbied again, they can raise prices to get that 15%. So there is zero. And I mean this every single institution impacts our health insurance companies, pharma companies, hospitals, medical schools. They make more money when more Americans are sicker for longer periods of time, and they lose money when Americans get help. Just absolutely.... That's the incentive. And then you go to Medicaid, which I talked about. There's just a huge incentive for more and more poor people to get sick because that's an annuity then to the pharma companies. So until you attack that instead of and it's Katie said, people just don't understand this. Everyone kind of makes sense. And actually I think there are these things are very easy to change. But the problem is that every it's enshrined, that there's profit when people are sick, and then they use the Stanford and the Harvard and the it's all this fancy club where people it's like uncouth to talk. You know, it's so marginalized when you talk about nutrition among the elites, when it's like Casey was yelled at by an attending surgeon, you didn't go to nutrition school. Don't talk to your patients about what to eat. We do serious medicine. We commit surgery. And Chinese. Medicine. Then why are the outcomes getting worse if. Because they're not? My life is they're not life. Expectancy going down, but the. Life is. Right there for good outcomes. The life expectancy is the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. No, I mean. That's that's the underlying. It's just mass suffering, particularly among kids. I mean, this this rapid increase in childhood diabetes, if you have diabetes, by the time you're 30, you die 15 years younger and you're suffering much more along the way. And now almost, you know, it's getting to the almost the majority of young adults are pre-diabetic. So diabetes is not an isolated condition. It's cellular dysfunction. As Casey talks about in the book, it's the root of so many other things. Okay, so let's, at breakfast when you were laying and this is not our first conversation, you said, I'm going to make this positive. Hahaha. I, I called my brother last night and I was like, you got to come to breakfast with the with the means is because it will radicalize you, which you successfully did in about an hour. So I've got two more questions for you. Broad questions. Here's the first. Let's say there's a means administration. You are given absolute power over the society or power within the bounds of our system. Right. You can do what a president can do. What? What are the first steps you take to fix this? Day one state of emergency for trial to chronic disease fully within the Constitution for the president. Declare a state of emergency for public health. That's what happened during Covid. It was very little Congress. It was no congressional legislation. It was a state of emergency. What's happening? All the chronic diseases are much orders of magnitude bigger, state of emergency right now and more imminent emergency in America than Covid. So you declare a state of emergency for sure. You still you declare state of emergency for child health. We actually start a nonprofit and we have executive orders drafted, and there are so much stuff you can do, but it's attacking the incentives. You know, just for starters, Biden's talked about this and President Trump's talked about it. But I think the fact that you you need a president there who's willing to take some heat from these ingrained industries, you could sign a bill tomorrow saying pharma companies can't charge Americans more than what they charge people. In Europe. We are spending, in some cases, ten times more on drugs. We are subsidizing the largest companies in Europe with our insanity. That's not a free market. Tomorrow you can cut this ridiculous thing. You can thank. The Republicans for that. By the way. A no no, it's it's they laid Paul Ryan and yeah. No. But the Republicans I will say is a lifetime Republican voter. But they provided the ideological cover for that because they said I was there when this happened in Hillary care, Obamacare. So between 1993 and 2011, they made this case consistently through their think tanks that it was a choice between socialism and capitalism. And if you were controlling costs, that was socialism. It's socialism for pharma to have Congress over a barrel. And now I'm very aware that it was the opposite. I was working for conservative think tanks trying to make that argument. It's it's totally bankrupt. And actually President Trump's talked about that. That's an executive order. We can sign the first day I cannot it's crazy. I cannot emphasize this enough how important it is just for medical leaders to cite the science. The executive order tomorrow could make it that USDA panelists cannot take money from food companies. What an idea it can. Mitch signed an executive order tomorrow that NIH grants can't go to conflicted researchers. 80% of them currently go to conflicted researchers. You could sign an executive order tomorrow that the FDA should stop being funded by pharma. 75% of their funding comes from pharma. 75% of the FDA's funding doesn't come from taxpayer, it comes from pharma. And there's a revolving door, as we all know, where people go from the FDA to pharma institution to DC, as we both know, are built to grow. The FDA grows when the pharmacy influence grows, the FDA should be an independent organization. It's not. That's an executive order tomorrow. So you just rob the conflicts of interest out of these things. Personnel. I sign doctors that we both know under the USDA nutrition panel and have the president have the secretary of the Treasury, because we're going bankrupt from health care costs, have the secretary of defense because 77% of young adults aren't eligible, join the military, have them say, we are not banning any company. We're not even giving public policy recommendations. But we are saying from a medical perspective that we should reduce ultra processed food consumption among children. That is a medically valid statement. And medical leaders need to start telling the truth. And then public policy. I'm fine with the public policy. Chips may fall where they may, but the president, the secretary of defense, the head of the NIH, the head of the FDA, should be saying the medical truth. The most important dynamic in America, I believe, is when a child or a parent is sitting across their doctor at the first stage of metabolic dysfunction. They're shoved into a one size fits all process right now where they immediately get on a pharmaceutical treadmill. The medical guidance comes from the NIH, the FDA, and their associated groups like the American Diabetes Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics. That guidance itself is corrupt and says that Ozempic, you know, is the cure for obesity and stance and heart disease. Not that if a doctor was recommending the right things. We'd be a healthier country. So you just have to go after the medical guidelines that would transform the country. The last red tape just going after incentives. I think it's a huge deal that our information sources have been totally co-opted. You know, 50% to that, 50% of TV news spending, you know, coming from pharma is a huge deal. And why the hell is our media playing referee for defending pharmaceutical companies? Why. Why why are they in silence? How are they suppressing any questions around that? You know, that's a huge problem that our dominant information sources for the past generation have been able to be co-opted by an industry that just as a statement of economic fact, profits from Americans getting sick. Just just undeniable. You. Tomorrow. Tomorrow the president could sign. That was actually DTC. Pharma advertising was an executive order from Reagan. It could be an executive order tomorrow. It's actually beautiful. You would cut 50% of mainstream media revenue. Yeah, and be on the moral high ground. You know, that's absolutely something. So stop recommending the bad stuff and stop subsidizing. There's also a host of things you can do before we get into any taxes, any bans, which I'm not even interested in talking about. Coke should exist, but it shouldn't be subsidized by food stamps. It shouldn't be recommended by the USDA. Is something okay for kids? It shouldn't be funded billions of dollars by the federal government, right? These things just shouldn't be incentivized. And so so you can you can. We have a whole host of executive orders to cut the recommendations to cut the conflicts and and cut the incentives for these. When do we get to put the corrupt doctors in jail? I. So the the this so you go to the motivations a lot. I think again, the systemic genius of the health system is that gives people plausible deniability. I would say, though, you know, to add on to a case you were saying earlier that there's knowledge and we do need to start holding people accountable. Kind of in your systems, like the perfect example. It's like you, I just so strongly identify with the world you grew up in because I know it so well. And you, just like you were the highest achiever in your neighborhood, and you find that the system you're living in is incompatible with your values, it's morally unacceptable to you, and you opt out, but you're the only one who helps out. So that raises questions about, like, everyone who didn't opt out. I'm sorry. It does. I've got a dark I've got a dark stat for you. We talked about this in the book. The highest suicide rate of any profession, any profession. America's doctors. Really. And the highest burnout rate. So what I see with that is that you don't. Working hard. Does it make you super depressed and suicidal? Like missionaries aren't getting sued? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm working hard on this mission, and I feel really good about it, too. They actually had a New York Times article recently that identified what doctors are feeling, toward soldiers. It's the same psychological dynamic that soldiers who get in the fight for the right reasons, but then are forced by their superiors to commit war crimes. It's actually similar, like they actually the New York Times, compared doctors to, like, Abu Gharib, like soldiers who are forced to do horrible things or felt like they were forced. That's I think what's happening to the medical profession is these are all good people. There's much easier ways to make money. They we actually are this magnet that attracts the best and the brightest from all over the world. We saddled them with that. They have no other skills, and then they have societal expectations in their parents and all these credentials, but they do feel trapped. So I hope it's certainly inspiring to me. It changed my whole life kind of learning from Kasey's story. I hope more and more people realize that there's light moving away from this system. And I always go back to Elon. Remember when he said, you know, you're speaking out about all these issues who care about, but advertisers are flocking away from you. And he goes, I don't give a fuck. That's the attitude we need. In the. Health care industry. We need some people with that type of attitude because that's the it's the same thing. It's like, well, these children are dying, but you know, what are you going to it's like, well, they're playing along with it. I've, I'm talking to senior people at. Pharmaceutical companies and insurance called. Everyone knows what's going on. It's like, oh, it's hard, you know? We don't know what to do. We need some leadership. We need some leadership. But again, with simple executive orders, you can start changing these incentives. You can you can start. You can start changing now. You're right. And I think I'm too judgmental. I mean, I participated in an enormously corrupt system for my entire life. So until I was fired, I wasn't half as honorable as you. Would you add anything to that? Yeah. I mean, I think what Kelly is talking about with the incentives is absolutely key. You know, why is 75% of the FDA budget coming from pharma? But I think there's a couple other things we could also sort of do to really change things. I mean, one is that we need to stop recommending added sugar to two year olds, 10% of our diet. So that's easy, right? Like the science support that. And actually, when we were creating the 2020 to 2025 Food Guidelines for America, the medical advisory board to that panel said that we should absolutely reduce sugar recommendations from 10% to 6% of total calories. And it was rejected by the USDA, even though the doctors said to do it. So all these conflicts, we need to get the sugar out of that, because then I'll get, you know, we'll have better school lunches, and we will not be telling parents that it's okay to give your kid 10% of their calories at two years old from added sugar. Also, I think there's something really interesting we can do by actually using the existing tax and legal system to incentivize healthy purchases, because right now, the more the healthier things are more expensive. And that's a problem. And that's because of our farm bill. So we need to change the farm bills. But we also need give people more flexibility to use tax free dollars to buy healthy products like organic food. And Carly has started an incredible company called True Mad, which is helping to allow this to happen. Where can't why? Why is it that we can use our HSA FSA funding to buy drugs, but we can't use it to buy organic food? This is crazy. Like this should be what we spend our tax advantage dollars on. So things like that. Creating more patient choice with HSAs. And I think, you know, we also need to talk about things like food marketing to children. You know, we're one of the only developed countries that's allowing our TVs, Nickelodeon, for 28% of the ads to children to be able to process foods that we know are associated with chronic disease. And, you know, and so there's there's other things I think that would be very high yield, that are just very basic. Let me give you let me just give you one example that I think will be really relevant to people listening. Listing infertility is a huge issue. As Casey mentioned, PCOS, which is the leading cause of female infertility, 25% plain with that is yes. So so very good question. So PCOS is the leading cause of female infertility. Anyone listening of childbearing age will know about this. It's an epidemic right now. It's gone up. It's, you know, multiples in the past generation. What does it stand for? Polycystic ovarian syndrome. So, so I just. Well let's get into it. So so so so that question you just asked, I know OB GYNs from Harvard who could not answer that question. This is not an exaggeration. OB GYNs are not taught what the condition is. They're only taught what the intervention is. So let's always start. I know nothing about medical science, but I do know that interviews always start with the dumb questions first. But you know, if you can't answer the dumb questions, I don't believe you. So so so so when a woman and many women listening will have PCOS and across the OBD when they're put on a cascading set of interventions that are pharmaceutical, can. You tell me what it is? It's insulin resistance. This is not related to insulin resistance, which is on the spectrum diabetes. It is insulin resistance. PCOS is a metabolic condition. Katie can speak a little bit more to it, but it's fundamentally related to what. Is it, can you describe it. Symptoms. And absolutely. So PCOS essentially you have an ovary that ovaries making hormones. And when that ovary is stimulated by excess insulin, which is the hormone in the blood, that helps us take blood sugar out of the blood and into the cells, insulin levels go up in the setting of metabolic dysfunction. We basically destroy our cells, with our toxic food and lifestyle. The cells can no longer process sugar to energy. So the cell rejects sugar and it stays in the bloodstream. The body compensates by making more insulin to dry and try and drive the sugar into the cell. That's putting up a block because it's broken. Essentially, that high insulin floats all around the body and does bad things all over the body, like drives cancer growth and also stimulates the ovary to make more testosterone. So you have women who are supposed to be making, you know, estrogen and progesterone in very specific levels throughout the hormone cycle so that we can ovulate. And instead, insulin is driving the ovary to create testosterone, which totally disturbs the balance between all the sex hormones in the female body. And we don't ovulate. So you get these cysts that form because you've got an egg trying to basically like ovulate, but instead it can't because the hormones are disrupted because of insulin, which is because of metabolic dysfunction, because of our food. And we get infertility because we're not ovulating. So, so. Lucky Charms leads to the fertile 100. Absolutely. Hundred percent. And this condition is reversed. Possible in as little as 12 weeks with dietary interventions. There is. Peer reviewed studies to show this. If we get our blood sugar levels under control and our insulin levels under control, we restore the hormonal balance. And many women, all the symptoms will disappear and they'll be able to become fertile. And yet doctors do not learn. The average doctor is getting zero education in nutrition, and so they don't even see this. They reach the caffeine, the metformin. The treatment that the Obi-Wan's are giving to these women is a diabetes drug. And they're not talking about blood sugar. You know, we I started a company called levels, which consumer has access to a device called a continuous glucose monitor. There are so many women in our community who have PCOS, who's doctors who want to understand their blood sugar so that they can naturally heal their PCOS. Yes, and have babies. Are not devices that that they will give. They will only give it to late stage type two diabetics. Even though we know that PCOS is insulin resistance and that if we can monitor our blood sugar with this device and get our blood sugar under better control, it can absolutely set us up to sort of naturally heal. But it's not being talked about by the adjuvants because doctors are not trained to see this. This is everything, right? It disconnects everything. Wow. Fertility. This topic, any woman don't have to tell you this connects everything because the doctor doesn't know what case you just described. We talked to him. They don't know. They did not learn the physiology of why people actually get this condition. And they eat what they kill. So what do they want? More than anything? They want an IVF procedure. They want an invasive surgical procedure. IVF. Of course. I mean, assisted technology is skyrocketing clinics. So an economic perspective, it's a goal. It's a coal mine. If that woman goes on a keto diet, which is the best reversal technique for a PCOS ever studied 12 weeks. They are robbing that doctor just from an economic perspective of tens of thousands of dollars for a gruesome, invasive IVF procedure, which is a great procedure. But I think we all should agree, like that woman across the table would love to hear that there's a more natural way and just the correct way to reverse this condition, which- By the way, there are big time downsides to IVF. And not to mention it's it's if the woman doesn't heal the underlying metabolic issues and issues for the baby to like, not normally in the route, even if you get pregnant with IVF, which is wonderful if that can happen, if you're not healing the root cause, issues of the metabolic dysfunction that's affecting the fetus and affecting the mom's future risk of disease. So by ignoring this, we're we're just continuing to put people on this treadmill. This is what happened to my mom. And I just want to be super clear. Like the picture of doctors here is very negative. But like again, I just want to emphasize like doctors are not doing this nefariously like there is just systemic misunderstanding and there are many doctors who are waking up and teaching themselves these types of things, but it is very still very fringe and small and. Well, their vacation houses are paid for by committing more interventions there. It's really easy. For me to judge them because I don't know them well, but I just want to refer you back to your own life and the decisions you made. Yeah, and I think that's going to be very hard for a lot of people. And you had advantages, as you've said. On the other hand, you're the only person I've ever met who's done that. And that's pretty discouraging. That's a pretty discouraging. There is a tribe, I will say it's happening. There is a tribe. It's coming from the bottom up there. You know, this is functional medicine. You spoke with, you know, Mark Hyman, for instance, like, there are people this there is a movement, it's happening. And you look at what's happening in different media, you're talking about this, Joe Rogan's talking about this. People care, people are listening, and people are waking up. But it's not. A boutique issue. No, it's the Americans. Want to be healthy. That's the thing. Doctors are trained to think patients are noncompliant and lazy. That is not true. People are. Flocking. To. Americans want to be healthy, but the entire system is rigged. Okay, so that leads me to my last topic that I hope we can get, and I hope you will be as personal and specific as you can be. What do you eat? No, I'm saying don't be embarrassed like it, because I think anyone who's made it to this point in the conversations like this is a bigger deal than I realized it was. The consequences to me personally are the worst possible. Pancreatic cancer, Alzheimer's. There's nothing worse. Yeah. So. And but you're absolutely right. Both of you made the point. Poor people are at a disadvantage. That's one liberal talking point. That's true. They are. The stuff's expensive. The only people I know who know anything about this are rich people, privileged. People, so weaponized against them. I can tell that that's true. So. But even if you can afford, you know, to buy expensive food, like, how do you do that? What do you what do you do? Yeah. What do you eat? What don't you. Number one thing that people need to understand is we need to stop eating ultra processed food. We need to stop eating. What is ultra processed can just give like examples. Absolutely. So ultra processed food is basically all the things that are you're seeing at the grocery store that have this laundry list of ingredients that usually are based on three ingredients ultra processed flour, ultra processed added sugars, and ultra processed seed oil. So this is going to be like white flour, you know, cane sugar and things like cottonseed oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, soybean oil. So these these crappy foods that did not exist 150 years ago, ultrafine white flour, added sugars and and seed oil. So it's like all brand name. It's like everything. I mean, we have a list in the book of what you should not eat, and it's basically everything at the grocery store mean we should all be shopping it. There are 9000 farmers markets in United States right now. People can make the effort and reprioritize their values to focus on getting nutritious food. We need to be eating organic, unprocessed foods for the vast enjoyed our calories, and we need to get back to having a sense of pride and responsibility in our households to cook food. You know, one of the one of the unintentional downsides of the feminist movement is that we somehow made people feel that food preparation was like a less than activity. I bought into this for my entire early professional life that like that, it was somehow beneath me. I was like a slave in the kitchen. If I was cooking for husband or family, there is no more important thing we can be doing than feeding our children in our families. Healthy food. Less than 30% of American families are eating together more than once per week. We need to be sitting down at the dinner table eating real, unprocessed food cooked with love at home. There is. There is no way a drug ourselves out of the fact that, you know, we eat 70, we eat 40 to 70 metric tons of food in our lifetime. That's a lot of food, right? This is the molecular information that is building our bodies, building our brains, making our hormones, feeding our microbiome. The food is what we are built up. And right now, 70% of it is trash made from a factory to addict us. Of course we're sick. So that is number one. So to answer your question very specifically, I don't follow dietary dogma. I eat organic, unprocessed foods that I buy at the farmer's market, and I cook every single meal for my partner and I. And when I have children the next few years, I am so deeply. Excited to cook every meal for them from scratch because there's nothing more important. And so, you know, for people who can't necessarily get to a farmers market, it's go to common. You are radical, I love it. How is this radical? It's not wild that this is radical. It's so it's such a total rejection at every level of the values of our society. Which I had to wake up. I was so deep in this in my 20s, I cannot even tell you, like I was deep, deep in the opposite of this. And so, you know, I believe that people no one wants to be sick, you know, and but the answer is on our fork. So I would say to get very specific now organic fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, meat, poultry, eggs, game meats, grass fed, organic pasture raised. What about cheese? Cheese? Dairy? But grass fed, high quality organic? The molecular information in these factory cow. You know, these factory farmed cows that are jammed with antibiotics and hormones. That milk is not what you want to be drinking. We know it's the quality. The quality of the milk. You know, organic food has more nutrients than non-organic food. We need to be. Is it hard to find like, I love cheese, for example, Welch's. So if I just. Costco now grass fed cheese. Okay. You know, I mean, how wild is it that it's illegal to buy raw milk in this. Country imported from Europe? Imported from Europe? Yeah, because they're going to have much. Better if they have parmesan at Costco that's imported from Europe. It's that the lactose and all these allergies that have all just started in the past 30 years are because the toxicity of the food, not the food itself, all these food, anything that we ate, you know, 10,000 years ago that we're evolutionary made to eat is is generally fine. It's it's what's been done to the food. So, you know, pasture raised, a pasture raised, which has just been beef for all of history up until like. Raising. Cows is like that. That just means they're outside not. Getting. Raised as they know they're eating grass. Now, most industrial farmed meat right there inside there, you know, have cortisol because they're so stressed and they're eating GMO, corn and soy that impacts their biology. So actually the, the, the factory farm meat has a much higher omega six content, whereas one's eating grass outside of omega three, much more omega three fatty acids. Omega six is inflammatory. Omega three is not. So actually. And again we go through this in the book, but just being on a path of curiosity about this, eating food, how it's meant to be made and meant to be raised, you know, your, your the actual biology makeup of the food itself, it's different when it's factory farms. You're actually when you're eating a traditionally industrial raised, meat, you're much more inflammatory, items are going into your body. So so you just always need to strive. That's why we do think. And there's problems with the organic designations. But as much as you can get away from the pesticides being sprayed on this food, as much you can get to how the food has been raised, you know, for for all of history up until a couple, you know, generations ago, because the way the food is manufactured and the stuff that is put on food is very corrupt, it's just not the case in other countries. So as much as you can get to to how it's been made forever, the better. And that's why we say and how if we were in charge of everything, I would fire every. And I truly mean this. I'm not joke at fire. Every single nutrition scientist in the government, I'd stop every single, you know, all this complicated nutrition guidelines, the point of the USDA putting out thousands of studies, literally. And all this guidance is to confuse people because they're bought off by the food companies. I'd replace it with one guideline is that we need to, as a public policy matter, reduce, reduce all the processed food consumption on children. Where are you on sugar? Well. Yeah, I mean, sugar is the amount of added sugar that we're eating in this country is astronomical. The average American is eating over 100 pounds of added sugar per year. In the 1800s, it was less than 5 pounds. So we're eating. We are overwhelming our bodies with this material that is destroying our cellular health. Like all of that, the body has to do something with all of that sugar, right? And so the body is prime, knows how to turn sugar into energy. That's what the mitochondria does. That's what metabolic health is. Okay. But if you're putting on, you know, ten, 20, 30 times the amount of sugar, the substrate for energy that the body then the body has been used to doing or can handle, you're going to gum up the system, you're going to destroy the system. It's too much work for the body. So what happens? We get dysfunction. We get metabolic dysfunction. We get pre-diabetes, diabetes. And where does all that sugar go? Sugar gets converted to fat okay. And so that's why we're we're all getting so heavy in part because of all this excess sugar we're eating that has to go somewhere. It's literally converted to fat in the body. And so it's it's it's astronomical. And 50% of Americans now have a blood sugar disorder. This it's back to ultra processed food okay. So liquid sugar in the form of a Coke, right. You chug one Coke. That's like the sugar of, you know, 15 oranges. Right? And they all just have the fiber. So you. I couldn't even physically eat all of the whole food, unprocessed food, to get the sugar that's weaponized in those sugary drinks and all the things we're getting at Starbucks and all the things kids are drinking, even juice, which Michelle Obama is now supporting as sugary sugar water, literally. She is now promoting sugar water for kids because it's. A better than soda option. But it's still high in sugar. So. So why is she doing that? Because she wants to make money. Oh, so she's like a flack for some sugar company. Oh, no. No, she partnered with a private equity company that specializes in junk food influencer partnerships. Oh, yeah. They're a private equity company that works on the rocks energy drink, and specializes in partnership to our high level influencers. Partner to promote junk food. And she is the chief spokesperson and co-founder of Plessey, which is a sugar water for kids. It has less sugar than soda because it's advertised that it's better than juice or sugar water. Kid should be drinking water. Safer cigaret. Milk. You know what? If Michelle Obama said that? What if Michelle Obama and. Daughter bond drinking sugar water? You shouldn't be drinking sugar like like. Like the fact that the USDA and Michelle Obama can't say that Michelle Obama was right in the first year talking about food, but she was directly bought off. She was directly influenced by the food companies say, John Kerry, you know, Teresa Hines. There was a lot of people that got to Michelle. This is well documented. And she shifted everything to exercise. And the exercise group that she then partnered with was actually funded by ultra processed food companies. And she shifted all to exercise and totally stop talking about foods. And exercise. Anyone who's ever tried to lose weight knows it actually is super important. It's good for you, but you're not going to lose it. I mean. Yeah. You know, that's not. The crazy thing about the that Kelly talked about the soda and how it's weaponized. I really want to drive that point home high for just corn sirup, which is what's in a lot of these drinks, was invented in the 1970s as a brand new substance. And the invention of high fructose corn sirup, which is subsidized by the government through commodity crop farm bill subsidies to corn. So it's basically we're giving the soda companies this cheaper product, which is then turn into high fructose corn sirup. Something interesting about fructose that we learned from bears who hibernate is that aside from other calories that you eat them and they cue satiety with fructose, a very interesting molecule. It's found in berries. And when you have an animal who needs to go into hibernation, they need to pack on fat in their body, right. So before hibernation, you have to load your body with. Yeah. So fructose aside from other calories different than other calories, actually does not cue satiety. It uses the feed forward violence and aggression mechanism in that animal to basically outcompete all other animals, to eat as many berries as possible in the fall to store fat, which is fructose, creates metabolic dysfunction, causes us to turn our sugar to fat to basically store fat for winter. So soda companies know all this. So they put this, this molecule in the sodas that you're chugging, which is, like Carly said, like 15 oranges. And the fructose you get in this, and it's causing kids to be insatiably hungry because essentially it's telling their brains that winter is coming. Pack on the fat. But of course, that when the tobacco. Side. Is. Absolutely whole, foods are great. You know, anything that is a whole food that has not been broken down into its constituent parts and made into a Franken food in a factory by a multinational corporation is a food that I'm gonna eat. And I'm the reason I choose organic or regenerative is because that berry a berry just, you know, grocery store that's not organic is going to have less nutrients in it then the berry that you buy from, you know, a farm. These foods contain anti-cancer compounds. They contain tens of thousands of molecules, literally medicine that changes our gene expression. This is neutral to no mix, but it all gets lost when you process the food. It's nothing short of gaslighting to, you know, convince us that these tons of food we eat are kind of this like, like fringe science. And these pills are the only thing that serious science, I mean, these truly are medicine. I just say, Tucker, you know, we get so confused. And this is a core point we try to drive home in the book, is that there's confusion by design. There's not an epidemic of people, I guarantee you, that are eating 90% non ultra processed food diet that have health epidemics like like like I don't care if you're carnivore or vegan, because if you're all in that path of being curious for you and your family and taking that rebellion to actually cook and and eat whole food, you're going to adjust. You're going to look at your blood test and make sure it's different for everybody. But just as a public policy matter, as a spiritual matter in the country, we should be trying to engender morale and curiosity about what we're putting on our bodies. Yes. And, you know, we and I want to be clear to everyone watching this is not about lecturing you or your family to eat, you know, any type of food. I'm making the point that there is really been something done to us. I don't think the American people are just a lazy, suicidal population where everyone wants 94% of Covid wants to be a smart point. The curiosity I had a weird problem with food, so I I'm blaming my childhood. Of course. I never really. Care about food. Wow. And I'll just, you know, whatever's there, I'll eat it. Lowest common denominator type thing. I've always gotten fat every year. Have to slow down. You know what I mean? My wife I've been with 40 years in September. Same weight when I met her. She's really interested in food. She's not going to put something in her mouth that's not good for her. She knows what it is. She's always been this way since the mid 80s when I met her, and she's way healthier and I like, I think, my brothers the same way. Like they're interested in food. Yeah. Therefore they're they're pretty healthy actually. And it's, it's the lack of curiosity. Like I never think about pizza pizza's good. Like that's what I know. And the basic way to start with that curiosity is read labels, right? If there's, if there's ingredients on a. Package, am I reading it? Well, not to you, but like, you know, it's like my it might be interesting for people to just look at labels. And if you can't understand a word on that package, like what these ingredients are, if you can't visualize it, you probably shouldn't be putting. What food do you think makes you feel best? Since we're talking about food, like, what do you really enjoy eating? When you eat it, you're like, I feel great. This is actually good for me. I can feel that it's good for me. Well, I mean, for me, it's the freshest possible foods. Foods that I you know, that I know the farmer and I got it from the farmer's market, and they're beautiful. And I think this is this, this sort of gaslighting. I think there's been this incredible dissociation. It's it's indoctrinated us from childhood to not trust our intuition. Right. Like to think that we have to we have to give our power away because we're dumb and we're not smart, and it's built into every level. The healthcare system. I mean, in many American states, patients don't even own their healthcare records because basically, doctors don't don't trust patients in understanding that they can understand. They don't they. Don't own them like the doctor the hospital does. Because we have so built in this idea that patients are not smart enough to understand their own. So from, from and this even plays into HIPAA and all these laws about patient privacy. It's like, oh, you know, we have to we have to sequester. Have you ever tried to get your health care records is impossible, right. Because we I don't know my own blood type and I don't know anyone else who knows this. That's what this. Is by design, right? Because if you can. So we would tell you because if you can keep people ignorant about their own health, then there's a power dynamic where you can sort of give them any solution. So let's get back to food, because I think a lot of this comes back to trusting our intuition. When I every Sunday after I go to the farmer's market, I lay out all the food, you know, the venison that came from, you know, someone who owns a beautiful ranch outside of LA, the the beautiful heirloom tomatoes that are colorful with purples, the, the watermelon radishes. And I lay it all out on my counter and I literally pray with it like, this is this is inspiring to me. This is all the atoms and the molecules that over the next week or two, are going to make up my cells. They are going to become me. I am going to take on the characteristics of this food. And I know I look at that food and if I stop and let myself trust my intuition, I know this food is healthy for me. I just know it. You and. But we've been so divorced from our common sense by design. There's no fat giraffes, right? There's no there's no they know. Right. But we've been told that we can't understand. Every sixth grader in America can understand basic biology, metabolic health and nutrition. But we have been told it's too complicated. Like Kelly said, by design, confusion is the product. So to to answer your question, what makes me feel good? It's the freshest, most beautiful foods that I have complete on or off. Or because those molecules and atoms are going to go into my body, they're going to heal me. They're going to heal anything that's going wrong. They're going to change my gene expression. They're going to fortify my immune system. They're going to make they're going to feed my microbiome, which makes 95% of my serotonin, which lets me think and have creative ideas and love my partner and all these things. It's going to be my partner and my bodies and my future children's bodies. Right? And so I am in awe and reverence of food. And I think that and I do. I bless it because it's going to become me. And I think we need to get back to that appreciation. The medical authorities what again, take policy side. What if our medical leaders started talking about this? We have a medical crisis. Anybody talking? We have a medical crisis. We have a medical crisis right now. And that is the science that is following the science. Right. And that should be the message from doctors. And and in your case, you I don't want to gloss over this. There's a there's a metabolic health crisis among babies that are born. Mothers are passing metabolic dysfunction and essentially almost pre-diabetes on to kids in mass. That's how bad this has gotten. Like kids are being born with dysfunctional microbiomes and metabolic dysfunction. And like, you know, literally, I've talked to Harvard doctors about that. I talked to on one of the podcast about this to a Harvard doctor, and she said, that's a case for was epic that that babies are being born with such horrible metabolic dysfunction that we need to start jabbing them very well. I say that's a sign of a crisis. Well, and the fact. That babies are being born sick is actually, you know, maybe not. Maybe we shouldn't be doing more of the same and just keep drugging them more. We should actually be asking why, baby, there's a metabolic health crisis among babies. Yeah, there's a crisis in the way that we think. Yeah, I think it's the root. Of a lot of I think. It's, you know, the biggest societal, I think, dynamic historical dynamic of the past, you know, decade has been this populist uprising towards institutions. I don't think people can quite put their finger on it all the time, but there's this frustration that we're being really being let down to me, what's happening to our health and the line that's how about your health and the fact that we're not hearing things like this and hearing that drugs are our saviors and just keep doing more the same from industries that are profiting from that sickness? To me, it is actually is the number one example. What's fueling this populist frustration? Health care is the largest industry, and it's something that's impact. These incentives, I think, I would argue, are impacting Americans across the kitchen table and impact our lives more than any other industry. Can I just ask one last question, too? One of the things I noticed about both of you is your mental acuity. Obviously you're smart. But it's more than just smart. You're sharp and fast, and you have very quick recall. You're just crisp in. I notice when people talk is I talk thinking, how big enough? So food, bad food dulls you? I've always noticed that. Absolutely. Well, I mean, one of the. For so many reasons, Tucker. But I mean, to name a couple of them, you know, if you have a big blood sugar swing, which the average American, because the vast majority of our calories are coming from ultra processed food that turn into glucose in our bloodstream, blood sugar, right. When you have a big glucose spike and crash that is associated with reduced fact, recall literally that crash and spike, you know, like the post-meal crash, like you eat something and then you might feel lethargic afterwards. That's in part because your blood sugar is skyrocketing and crashing. The average American child is probably on this roller coaster all day long. We want stable, steady blood sugar levels, so we're not making. Us dumber than that. So it's and then so that's the short term right. Over the long term we're building the machine of the body out of shoddy materials. Right. And that's going to impact our brains. It's going to impact our, you know, the way that our we think and, you know, our microbiome makes a lot of our neurotransmitters. And we are just trashing our microbiome now. Right. With ultra processed food. No fiber. Fiber feeds the microbiome. The 95% of Americans aren't getting enough fiber. So we're not feeding the thing inside of us that makes our neurotransmitters. That helps us think this is insanity. And then we're trashing the microbiome with antibiotics, which destroy our meat. We're overusing antibiotics like crazy, which destroy our microbiome and increase our risk of depression. And other is. Three times more suicidal in the year after taking them. So. Oh, so there is just it's all out warfare and it makes you kind of step back and think like what's happening here? Like we have this kind of like, hey, sort of like doled out dumb. You know, I'm not saying the Americans. I'm saying that like it's makers. Forces, that it's. Reducing our icu's. It's making us lose our minds early with Alzheimer's. It's making our kids not able to sit down and learn because of ADHD and autism rates that are skyrocketing. And it's all going up all at once. And we know it's because of our toxic food systems and the chemicals in our environment, and we're not protecting kids. And that is very sinister. And I think, you know, on the biggest macro level, like the kind of the most zoomed out spiritual level, like, I think, you know, what we have to realize is that, like, we are miracles, like every human is a miracle. This life is a miracle. Like, this is weird. I mean, spiritual beings having this insane experience on planet Earth. And fundamentally, the thing that we're doing with metabolic health is we're making energy in the body, right? The way we're doing that is we're taking food that got its energy from the sun, right? Like the sun, literally. Photosynthesis happens. It creates starches in plants, and then we eat them or animals eat them. And what metabolism is, is taking the starches that are stored energy from the sun through photosynthesis, liberating it in our bodies to create energy to fuel our minds and to fuel our bodies so that we can think and reach our highest purpose. And right now, in the vast majority of Americans, are toxic. Food system is blocking that process, which means it's blocking the miraculous process of essentially taking this beautiful this is not woowoo. This is just fact of science taking this universal sun light energy and liberating it to fuel our lives. That is broken. This is dark. This is very dark. Americans are not only sick, but the core process of being able to create, you know, and transform. Energy is broken. And we need to fix this because we we need all hands on deck right now in America to solve these big issues. And we need to be thinking properly, feeling good. And we can rapidly with some of these simple changes. I don't think I can add to that. And as I said an hour ago, I do think you're going to change the world. I mean that, I mean that and this is the book I never I never do this because it feels so grubby and commercial. But in this case, I mean it good energy. And that was good enough. Thank you, thank you. Thank you Tucker.