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Political Discourse and Security Failures

appears Morgan desused by Destiny I'm not going to watch the entire thing I'll watch a little bit of it we don't know what's happened here no one can yet give a legitimate explanation but you're clearly implying that it is odd yeah go ahead tell me your lunatic conspiracy theory about how odd if you say to me I've been told by listen I've been told by many experts in the last 36 hours there's an entire cultural machine that has lied real time that's it that's why that's why conservatives deserve absolutely zero sympathy you sound almost gleeful Des I'm sorry that makes you frankly despicable I'm not going to get on my knees Ed say here we go former president Trump is the king of the political comeback but even by his own lofty standards the past four days have been utterly Sensational after coming within a hair's breath of assassination last night he made a stunning return to the spotlight at the RNC and for once the gravity of the occasion was not lost on him J Trump There He Is We are grateful for you to be our nominee for the 47 by the way thank God that we have somebody who's not 80 years old that's on the ticket I mean Kamal is younger too which is okay but like this it is like one of those things you don't really think about a lot it's only 7 I mean the other guy of the United States of America fight fight fight well Trump hasn't made an entrance quite like that since he descended the golden escalator in 2015 to announce his first run for president bandaged and emotional he walked into the arena like a UFC star and got the reception to match well the many people who've criticized security fings at his rally on Saturday were quick to point out that his detail this time round seem to be made up entirely of strapping men but the whose idea was it to have him be guarded by like some 5 foot three like girl this obviously overweight like who who thought that was a good idea why would you do that like focus of the night was undoubtedly Trump himself and man and now looks like he's seriously preparing for a return to running the country President Biden meanwhile fumbled questions about his own incend rhetoric it may lead up to Saturday shooting you called your opponent an existential threat on a call a week ago you said it's time to put Trump in the bullseye there's some dispute about the the context but I think you appreciate I crossair I talking focus on look the truth of the matter was I love how nobody said crosshairs nobody said that like but I guess I was talking about at the time was there's very little focus on Trump's agenda yeah the terum is Bullseye was a it was a mistake were I didn't I didn't say crosshairs I Bulls focus on him focus on what he's doing what a pathe I feel like that's the kind of clip that like the more I listen to it the better it gets excuse from Franklin increasingly pathetic president let's be Crystal Clear nobody thought Biden was talking about archery when he used the word Bullseye and he knows it the presidential move would have been to say that everyone on all sides needs to dial down their incendiary rhetoric but this President hasn't looked president for a long time now one positive move Biden's made in the Fallout from the tragedy on Saturday is to finally order the Secret Service to protect RF Kennedy Jr that's true the last thing America leads right now is yet more political violence especially involving a Kennedy in a moment we'll meet tonight's panel to debate all this but joining me now is a former counter sniper in the state department and the current Florida Republican Congressman Corey Mills uh Cory Mills thank you very much indeed for joining uncensor first of all I can't think of anyone better equipped in the political world than you to comment on what appears to have been a massive failing by the Secret Service on Saturday in their duty to protect president Trump what did you make of it well I just want to say I really loved your monologue just now that talked about the idea of dialing down political rhetoric on both sides as well as the dangers of utilizing words like in the bullseye or you know regardless of what he says he went to to to indicate it's obviously what he indicated was that he wants to put him in the Crosshair but um you know I just want to go ahead and say that you know this in my opinion is such a massive failure it's such a big NE my opinion honestly is that I think that people have said all kinds of incendiary things and I don't think anybody has a monopoly on it I think Trump has said a lot of stuff that's like really really bad like you can criticize Biden and it's like people are criticizing him because it happened to Trump but if people had had shot Biden Z off instead people would be playing all the clips of trump saying crazy [ __ ] too so like I don't think anybody has a monopoly on this deligence on behalf of the advanced teams to say that a Target which is 160 yards away perfectly adjacent to the stage was outside the perimeter the perimeter is formed and it's discerned by the counter sniper teams by the advanced teams and by the security details I can tell you as someone who has conducted thousands of advances both on the afan and Iraq side as well as for back home has done uh multiple counter sniper team deployments looking at OverWatch positions looking at how we react and miate threats that this in its entirety and I I I'm not a conspiracist pierce I'm not one who tries to find my way to a you know Inside Job type of setup but I am also a military guy who believes in the what if scenarios of all things and I think the American people deserve a true investigation not by the FBI but by Congress to look and identify every single area from local force uh consolidation from that will not assuage anybody's concerns that thinks that it's a conspiracy because they're just going to tell themselves that Congress is also paid off in the same way that the FBI is uh there's no way for people to convince themselves that this is real uh like I'm just being honest right like it just yeah I mean I that's is that wrong well so this is an interesting thing right so like I I think that in order to tell whether something is like a whether you have a position on something that's based off of logic or emotion you should ask yourself the question what would it take for me to change my position and what I think the case is with this is that nothing will change people's position on this I don't think that there is an entity that could investigate this that would make everybody happy do you see what my point is here people don't trust them and that's all there is to it except hard evidence no they just say that's fake the cooperations that were on the ground from resource allocations by the director of The Secret Service and I think that people deserve to feel confident that this wasn't anything but massive malice or negligence as opposed to something that was intentional yeah I completely agree I mean there's some extraordinary details emerging uh Local News Network Pittsburgh has reported a member of Beaver County Pennsylvania's Emergency Services Unit notice the suspicious man on the Roof near the rally of 545 p.m called it in and took a picture of the pur the shooter 26 minutes before he was able to fire off 8 shots uh there's then the footage as we've seen of other members of the public 26 minutes man seeing him crawling across the rooftop there's also snipers who are in position who appear to be looking at this guy too and yet he's still able to fire eight bullets which seems complet completely extraordinary to me especially if it's all happening 150 M from the the there's also another component to this that I think that people aren't bringing up but when things happen like this it can be very hard for you to get people to believe that it was actually just incompetence and it really undermines people's trust in things like the Secret Service or things like the government in general right so like when something like this happens and it seems like there's no way this could have happened it destroys their credibility and I think that does like a it has like a big ripple effect and it it hurts a lot of other things like tangent and like just as a reaction to people distrusting them directly president Trump who has been president it's very bad for that to be happening well it seems very suspicious you know in police work they call these Clues the thing that really was sounding off to me though is the fact that you know at a minimum let's just go ahead and give every single possibilities of just negligence as opposed to something else you know you could have put and said there there not enough resources all right fine let's put a patrol car in the parking lot of AGR which was the company with the doors locked and the lights on there's a deterrence let's look at the fact that an emergency comms channel should have been set in place for the Secret Service and the local police force in cooperation coordination so that when that officer who came to the rooftop and says that he had the rifle pointed at him could have immediately descended I actually think by the way that the lack of deterrence would actually be a a piece of argumentation that would support the fact that he acted independently because if you assume that he was acting under direction to do this then the deterrence would not be a factor because he would do it anyway so in fact I think the deterrent argument works against it but I can see what he's saying right it still should have happened and it didn't happen did keeping himself safe and also said shoot her on the roof shoot her on the roof shoot on the roof which would allow the detail to have then immediately gotten on the stage to protect the president there's so much about this Pierce not to mention there was a water tower that was only a couple hundred yards away which is a sniper's paradise that people aren't even talking about this shot Pierce is so simple and I just want to paint a picture for your viewers which is that if you were to take not even a sniper rifle but your basic production rifle that comes off an assembly line that you could buy in a a average store and you were to take a person with very little experience in 10 minutes I could train them to be able to utilize this rifle to hit targets at a piiz plate at 200 yards without a problem well that guy's a [ __ ] damn that kid's an idiot then he a [ __ ] dumbass if that's true bro like what a [ __ ] idiot that's retardy Oswald man well actually I mean just on that point when I was uh at CNN I spent a day down in Texas at a gun store in a gun range and I did end up firing an AR-15 which is believed to be the semi-automatic rifle the shooter use and is the preferred weapon of choice for most Mass Shooters these days and I was uh absolutely staggered about how light and easy it was to use and how very quickly how accurate I was able to fire it never having fire guns in my entire life so I can completely endorse what you just said it is a very easy to ous weapon I mean like you have I mean I've look Jo look at Joseph con's Army I mean like there you got eight-year-olds with AK-47s I mean it's not complicated to use a gun I think in most cases I wonder how many years would have to pass for the world to get dumb enough that people just vote for him for president instead of trying to stop him I think it'll take maybe 40 years for us to get there it's one that with then if you think about call angle on each rifle which means that's essentially with it looks at your bullet trajectory your bullet compensation all these different things but what you would say is that at 100 yards you have a 1-inch grouping capability at 200 to2 2 in etc etc which means that at 160 yard that rifle let's just say it's not even a good rifle it's only a 2A rifle is only shooting a 3.2 in grouping the average head is 6 by 8 the average shoulder is 20 in long the average head to waist is 40 in so when you think about the grouping is by the way I'm sure some people might not understand this this is like the acceptable size that the bullet can hit just by you know just technical limitations this is a game of millisecond and millimeters that saved the president's life from being an attempted to an actual assassination this is really something that I hate to say I have to just be like this but it's got to be divine intervention to the thoughts that this didn't eliminate and take out the life of Donald Trump and the fact that it should have been prevented from the beginning Cory the other thing that struck me is extraordinary in terms of the way the Secret Service responded to the hey I'm wrong let me put you on speaker go ahead okay you're wrong on grouping how you remember when I told you that uh when you you're shooting target uh you got to you got to if you if you get two of them uh outside of the 10 Ring yeah no one over an the eight you just just just throw away that Target go to the next Target yeah what about it what what does that to do with grouping okay well I'm getting there just shut up uh the uh um the um uh the getting all those shots in there hitting the 10 Ring uhhuh close together that's the grouping it's hitting everything you know it's get it's the it's the spread of the right of the uh of the rounds that's what I said no it isn't no you know you you said something different uh and uh it's but it's when they hit the target and close together they all hit the target okay that's what I meant to [Music] say yeah yeah wellbody canine that okay right that from the universe okay great all right let me I'm GNA get back to it okay I didn't want to live that live right I thought so all right yo I'll talk to you later I'm gonna call you on it okay yo bye uhuh y byebye okay my my had like shot like expert with like a lot of weapons in like the military and he was in like NRA for a while and so he knows a lot about that [ __ ] shooting was after the president was hit they dragged him to the floor but they then allowed him to stand back up and one of the female agents in front of him was clearly a lot shorter than Donald Trump yeah and therefore his whole sort of upper torso including his head was clearly visible to potentially other Shooters who may have been been uh in the area which nobody knew at the time that does not strike me as normal Secret Service protocol well you know they did a good job of putting the body barrier on it but I will note though prior to actually having the president stand up you hear one of the secret cice officers ask is Shooters down Shooters down so they at least were looking at the existing and and the obvious threat as being mitigated and so that that is kind of within protocol I do understand your concern as well which is mine which is that there was n enough to actually body Shield if you look at the height and the size of President Trump with uh someone else this is why and I don't mean this to be you know kind of hyper agree or that it's trying to be a rhetoric to try and spin things up but this is why when we look at the ideas of the Dei the diversity Equity inclusion it does put things at risk when you say we need a percentage of X right because Dei can mean deie we we have to think about the fact that it should be about mer that was good that was that was good man biocracy and especially when you're talking about the protection of the president or other lives oh man very striking to me that last night at the RNC convention wild Applause an amazing scene he looked quite emotional actually but he was surrounded by a far bigger number of Secret Service agents all of whom appear to be very big tall men well I think that you see where the entire RNC and especially here in Milwaukee Wisconsin has really ramped up their security protocols and for obvious reasons uh sometimes it is a bit of a kneejerk where they overcompensate for a failure in the past and I think that's what they've done in some cases here when it comes to the RNC but certainly the president he definitely needs this protection I agree with you there there was a different look in the president a a look of unification a look not of fear but of defiance and of the fact that we have to understand he also saved his own life he did exactly what he was trained to do which is that when you take fire even from a tactical perspective in the military otherwise you drop to the ground you minimize your silhouette and then you go ahead and look at where the actual Target or what they call react to contact drill is to mitigate the threat what the president does in his actual hour you know or moments after the incident is truly remarkable you know I've trained with people who the figh ORF flight reaction individuals even being trained they get stunned they freeze you know in the event of getting hit or getting shot the president didn't stand in fear he stood in defiance and he wanted to also let the American people know that he was okay by putting his fist in the air and saying fight fight fight he meant that not in a way to try and keep temperature side but fight for America fight for our Republic fight for what is right and I can tell you that we need to in the political world take it down a notch and think about the fact that words matter the things that we say matter we have to start thinking about the humanistic qualities of people and put political ideology aside realize that we're husbands we're fathers that we're Sons we're brothers we're daughters we're mothers these things take priority but this type of negligence does warrant in my opinion not just an FBI investigation it needs to come into the house it needs to have a j13 style commission and we need to investigate and get all finding so we can put any type of potential conspiracies or even any concerns aside that this was done anything other than negligence right and you know the secret service director cheel was interviewed last night and said this this watch a clip when you saw the events unfold on Saturday shock uh and then concern this is an event that should have never happened who is most responsible for this happening what I would say is that the Secret Service is responsible for the protection of the former president so the buck stops with you the buck stops with me the president and Homeland Security secretary said today they had 100% confidence in you but there are some members of Congress calling on you to resign do you plan to stay on absolutely I do plan to stay on I feel like if the president almost gets killed and there's like because of a really big security breach I think like I think you should just like just go do something else I mean you've got to you really messed up man now he's not the president he's a president you're still a president after you become after you you like end your term are you surprised she still got the job you know I'll be honest with you the idea of saying Mia culpa or that responsibility is the same as accountability has been a problem within all elected positions and appointments positions I think that she should resign I think that she should accept her failures leaders lead and when they fail they accept that failure and they understand it's time to step aside but at minimum if she refuses to step aside when we do our actual investigations and I hope we get a j13 style commission I just text speaker Johnson just now and feel that my background and kind of unique experience would be great to head this up but I'm going to look at minimum the Homing rule which will take her salary down to $1 and hopefully that will encourage her to leave because we need true leadership Pierce and we need to make sure that our president president Biden our vice president KLA Harris our former president who's now our nominee president Trump and vice president V uh Pence or sorry Vance will ensure that they're safe this is not a political thing this is about Americans being safe to be able to go ahead and serve our nation without fear J yeah and also i' D RFK Jr who was on my show only two weeks ago boning the fact that even though his name is Kennedy and both his his father and his uncle were both assassinated political service detail he now he now has let's take a look at what he told me actually I'll get your response I'm the first candidate in history who whose request had Secret Service protection has been denied it I've had several credible threats on my life the the Secret Service itself we provided them 68 pages of detailed death threats and other threats against me and they they examined my case and they said that I was at a um at a accelerated risk White House still has refused to give me protection and it's only now that there was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump that he's finally uh that Biden has finally allowed him to have a secret service I feel like just listening to that guy makes me want to clear my throat it seems to me shamefully too late here it's shameful it's uncons the fact that an individual just because he doesn't sit within a Democrat Party or Republican party is any less deserving of his safety and protection and especially a man who as you pointed out had his father and his uncle assassinated and killed a man who has credible threats against his life from either side the bottom line is Pierce is that this cannot be about partisan politics no he beat bet the CIA gave him throat cancer do they have throat cancer really I didn't even know that yeah it's just like listening to him talk it's just like what the [ __ ] man godamn holy [ __ ] I had no idea well that makes a lot of sense then yeah now I understand I was wondering like why is his voice so [ __ ] up okay now I know if this individual is running for presidency if he can tangibly show that he's at risk why would you not allocate the necessary resources to keep this man safe feel bad yeah Congressman Cory Mills thank you very much and D for joining me I appreciate it thank you pierce honored well join me now as commentator and streamer Destiny host of the Dave Rubin show Dave Ru founder of The Young Turks CH Yuga and the outkick host Charlie Arnold well welcome to all of you check Yuga we've spoken a lot about this presidential race for over the last year um where are we now with this is it right to assume that that two things have happened as a result of this attempt at assassination one is that Donald Trump has got exponentially more popular because people feel a real empathy with him for what happened and secondly that Joe Biden is more likely than not now to remain the Democrat nominee yeah so there's no reason to unilaterally surrender to Donald Trump now but that's what it looks like the Democrats are doing uh so I hope that they uh pick up the campaign to OU Biden again because he's clearly not going to win all the interviews are disasters I don't want to surrender to Trump but apparently Democratic officials are considering it uh which would be just keeping Biden in the race that is a form of surrender uh because they don't want to waste any of their so-called Talent uh because they're so about the race I think that's pathetic they should fight and if they have a new ticket they still have a perfectly good chance of beating Donald Trump now I I do want to say though there's a second topic here your interview with Corey Mills representative Mills there I I think it was dangerous and wrong so you guys said oh well you know we this shouldn't be a partisan thing and we should turn down the rhetoric and then you implied that maybe the Secret Service or the Biden Administration allowed the shooting to happen never said that he just said that there was a oversight and there needs to be accountability for whose fault it was so they could figure out what it was I don't think he said that I didn't get that out of it who said that nobody defitely did definitely did well I certainly did you kept talking about well look I'm not saying conspiracy theory but hey it's so easy to find why find didn't and you didn't just say negligence and forget about you Cory Mills he didn't say oh look he said maybe it's not just malce maybe it's not just negl is a lunatic suggesting am I allow to respond yeah go ahead okay first of all I didn't say anything that you just said uh secondly he did raise the Spectre that there's something very odd about was and by the way there is I'm not a conspiracy theorist either but the idea yeah yeah man bro like it's it's crazy this random 20-year-old loser with apparently no social media just happens to get up on his building that's well within like the uh range that's needed to be uh you know controlled and then people are even reporting this nothing happens about it yeah you can't have all these coincidences and not expect people to try to put the dots together and I'm not even saying I don't think that's what happened but like [ __ ] you got to admit that it seems a little bit suspicious holy [ __ ] the president Trump who was Rec the Pres of United States and he's very likely to be again was shot from 150 M by a kid with an AR15 who was seen by Spectators nearly a minute before he unloaded eight bullets in the direction of Donald Trump and there's another perspective with like an investigation is that an investigation can check to see if there was anything wrong but it can also prove that there was no wrongdoing it was just a mistake so like it it does both effects it's not like it's just one thing it's both very very strange and if you don't think it is then I think you're being a little bit disingenuous now what is the what is the nature of that Strang we don't know what's happened here right but no one can yet no one can yet give a legitimate well I is is I mean like is Biden a conspiracy theorist if if they think that Biden was the one who was talking about doing an investigation he said that he already said it was going to happen bit by analogic Biden's a conspiracy theorist what are we doing explanation as to why this could possibly have happened Piers if you say it's negligence I'm with you if you say it's malpractice okay I'm defin I get it 160 feet wisy on the roof Etc but if but you're clearly implying that it is and and also that's why you do the investigation because everybody can see that and you want to make sure that nobody has that [ __ ] opinion Odd as in not negligence but something that was planned by the government I know hey get out of here man what the hell Jesus Christ with these lunatic Republicans total lunatic Republicans yeah go ahead tell me your lunatic conspiracy theory about how odd I don't have any I don't have any conspiracy theories do you not think it's odd Chen yuger that this kid this kid could I stroll across a roof unmanned and just fire off eight bullets to president Trump from 50 m do you not find that odd so I I find it deeply troubling I think that there should be an investigation to see how they screwed this up I think the fact that they didn't get there on the roof quicker is speaks poorly of them on the other hand can we acknowledge that the Secret Service surrounded the president and would have taken a bullet for him and would have died for him but all they're getting now is odd conspiracy theories about how maybe aren't you they wouldn't have needed to take the bullet if they had done the proper precautions on Pierce you tell me aren't you implying that they let it happen aren't you implying that obviously what does ODD mean what does ODD mean tell I'll tell you what odd means odd means that the secret Services primary function is to preserve the life of whoever is president of the United States right and they allow this roof to be unman allow allow you use the word allow okay some well they did allow it right is that not true I mean I don't know I feel like they did yeah somebody made a decision not to have that roof patrolled even though as you don't even know that hang on well somebody did because it wasn't patrolled no that's also not true Pi Piers we don't know the last time they if that's not true and it's patrolled that means that the cops let the guy on there and they let it happen so if he's right about it not being true that makes it sound a lot worse I don't know about this guys we don't know if they looked at it and then the guy called on after what we do now you men hold there was nobody on the RO from the Secret Service why so you're telling me that you know that under Biden Trump and all the other presidents that every roof had a secret service person on it in every you don't know that can you ever remember a president or presidential candidate who was a president giving a speech at a public rally where a roof 150 M from his head is unprotected by Secret Service can you name once ever how the hell would you pierce how the hell would you know that you don't know anything if you say to me hold on to be fair he kind of has a point but I feel like this would be a very easy decision right because they probably have a protocol for what the area is that you should look at and you just see well was this in the protocol it was okay you didn't do it well then you're wrong it's really not that complicated if you say to me listen I've been told by many experts in the last 36 hour experts like that lunatic Republican you just had on who's an expert talking about oh my god oh yeah I'm not I don't think it's just negligence then what does that mean then you think it was allowed think planned it who planned it actually the congressman that I spoke to was on the sniper I think that he really downplays the value that like ensuring trust has and I think it really good parallel to this is like Co is that I think that the government and a lot of like authoritarian institutions expected to just use their Authority and enforce it on everybody else and have people respect it but that's not the way people's brains work like if a lot of people believe something sometimes it's in your best interest to make sure that thing isn't true even if you know it isn't true like I I don't really see the problem here protection detail for Joe Biden when he was vice president he probably knows more about it than you do with great respect unless you're about to tell me you are a covert sniper protector are you no I'm telling you that we don't know anything about when they checked the building we do know that there was a redhaired guy we do we know at least one time they didn't who talked to the BBC he told the cops then the cops showed up it's not like they didn't show up and so if you say hey we should investigate and find out when was the last time they did the perimeter check when did they you say Biden is live is that even true this is just some other [ __ ] this is something totally different yeah it's not even about this get on that roof I totally agree if you say negligence I totally agree if you say Trump was Brave in that moment I totally agree but if you start implying which you definitely are and Cory Mills definitely is that it was planned or you underestimate the incompetence in the government no I I think it's probably true like don't think that it was a conspiracy I I don't however I think that enough people do and it's so so many stars aligned for things to happen that I think it's reasonable for people to have a level of distrust and I think that it's better for everybody if it's investigated to make sure that's not true that's my perspective so odd that it happen you're saying it like that epine thing was odd the EP thing was actually by the way they both agree with each other about this they both agree with me on this too they're arguing about semantics and just wasting time so I'm the video camera is out that that is that makes me think yes there was something planned I'm brave enough to say that instead you're implying it Cory Mills is implying it so just say it then don't tell what does ODD mean okay again I will say to you I am not saying anything was planned I'm not saying there was any inside to allow this to happen I am simply saying you're implying that you get that right going here's what I'm implying there was such a catastrophically negligent failure here by the Secret Service I complet you can't expect people to think that that's real whenever things happen that are outside of the realm of possibility people will expect that there's a reason for it that's common sense you could easily expect that yeah what do you mean understand why so many people are utterly bemused that this could ever have been allowed to happen the idea you have a perfect vantage point over Donald Trump from 150 meters at a public rally given how divisive of polarizing he is given how vehemently some people hate him and given the threats of violence he's had on many many occasions the idea that that roof remained unmanned by secret service is to me very bloody odd Shen yes so you implying that there is a chance that it was planned no I'm not I'm implying yes there's a chance absolutely there's a chance 100% there's a chance that chance is 1% 0.1% but it's there and that's enough to do an investigation obviously like that's the whole point yeah it it's extremely low it's literally what you just said literally what I'm doing is implying that there's something we don't know about what's happened here and we need some answers we need some answers very I have no idea here I don't know let me go to some of the other a l energy I don't think it's what happened I think J you have to go so I appreciate you uh well I appreciate you calling me a conspiracy theorist thank you for joining me um let me go to Dave rub anytime all right thank you let me go to Dave rubben um Dave Rubin this is the problem you if you can't raise questions Ser to be honest I've watched The Young Turks on and off ever since like 2008 I've always liked him I have even though he's an [ __ ] well I've always liked him I remember he was on MSNBC I think for a while and then they kicked him off serous questions why because at the time I think he was one of the only people that was giving a non like party answer to different things he quit yeah I know what's happened here or suggested uh without being branded a conspiracy theorist by people like Jen Yugo there's a bit of a problem isn't there I mean this was it seemed to me not just negligence there's something very strange about this whole by the way guys there's a lot of people that I like that doesn't mean I agree with everything they say that's all yeah I just like all right all right yeah incident and how it unfur I have never seen members of the public nearly a minute before a shooting at a president uh raising the alarm and telling people the guys on the roof have you yeah yeah well appears I haven't been on camera with that guy in about 8 years but I am just reminded of the brain piercing serious headache you get listening to him uh you just laid out very calm and cogent questions as to what happened to the man who is the ex-president and could be future president of the United States there was either a catastrophic failure which we're all acknowledging or something more nefarious all we can do is ask questions the the redheaded guy with the vi who was interviewed on the BBC saying that it was probably about 2 minutes and we'll find out the exact details on that about 2 minutes before where he was warning law enforcement that there was someone on the roof well in two minutes Piers right now I have an ifb in my ear I have a microphone right here that's what all of the agents around there have and they're all connected to a network of people who are telling them where to look and and what to do I'm not an e of course and I'm not an expert in this I feel like you could probably relay that information in like 30 seconds yeah no he's right he's very right about this he is yeah true we all know this Cory Mills happens to be an expert and your interview was quite good with him so the idea that two minutes went by and nobody looked at the roof and by the way the the secret service director is now saying the reason they didn't have anyone staged on that roof was because there was a slope on the roof and they didn't want one of their agents to get hurt I mean I've got roofers out on my on my roof right now there's a little bit of a slope they have special shoes they make it work the whole thing is is insane but I I would say at the poit level slope this has re-energized not just the Trump base which was energized but this new wide swath of disaffected liberals and UFC fighters I mean I just okay and NFL players and just good decent Americans to realize that Donald Trump is not the enemy right now and this this fake call for Unity yes I would like unity in a Land of unicorns and everything else but you can't on one day be or spend four years is basically calling the guy uh Hitler and his supporters Nazi then he gets shots and now we should have Unity is is just nonsense I'm sorry and also for the current president of the United States to be asked you know do you do you have any soul searching about the language you've used given that days before not going to take accountability for it realistically it'll make him look bad if he did like I would do the same thing if I was him I would just probably try to answer it with less [ __ ] arounds you know shooting told donor that it was time to put Trump in the Bullseye and then he he tries to dance his way out of this by claiming I didn't say crosshairs somehow when you talk about human beings Bullseye or crosshairs mean any difference uh obviously he didn't mean I think Donald Trump should be shot but obviously if you're a deranged L young lunatic with an impressionable mind who the hell knows what that kind of language we don't know yet right about any of the motivation apparently there's a kind of very very strange again a very strange lack of information that they've been able to find out about this young shooter of course but you also have to understand that there has been an entire media machine mainstream media machine and Democrat Elite that for years since before Donald Trump was president have been calling him Hitler and his supporters Nazis what that's true but they do the same thing like this is this has been going on with everybody like everybody's been doing this like I I I don't really think this is like a unique thing like yeah it's super super common would someone do if they truly believe that I'm not directly linking this to Biden's Bullseye comment as irresponsible as it may be or anyone else's specific comment but I will I will grant people I will grant you I think that the Democrats do it with less push back so it it's it's not like it's not like it's 50/50 but it's not 100 Z either time in culture if things get normalized and yes this man is going to put us in camps and you can turn on MSNBC on any given day and they're talking about how they're all going to be arrested and taken off the air and what he's going to do to minorities and gays and everything else all utter complete nonsense at some point people might get a subtle message and then do something crazy again we don't know if that was what happened right now but we certainly can ask about it and I look I think to be completely fair I believe Donald Trump has spouted a lot of very uh in ill advised and occasionally very dangerous rhetoric and I want both sides to dial down actually where this leads to is where it's led to and in Britain we've had two members of parliament in the last 10 years murdered by people for political reasons you know basically because you know lunatics have wanted to eliminate them U let me bring in Destiny because you've been the center as you know of a a massive all right uh online response to what you were saying uh and I want to go through what you said and I want to talk to you about this in in a hopefully in a in a calm manner to try and understand what you were thinking so on Saturday evening hours after the shooting you said let me clarify when I say conflicted what I mean is I lean towards seeing it as a natural extension of the thing Trump and the Maga kid support so I don't think I have much sympathy about the attempt enough to chastise people celebrating it you you couldn't find it uh in your heart to chastise people for celebrating the near assassination of the of a man who was president of the United States and maybe again absolutely not conservatives have completely bled that well dry and the idea that they after engaging in the most divisive and most extreme rhetoric that this country has seen in recent history that they would come on and beg for sympathy that it's escalated in some kind of violent confrontation is absolutely insane even the idea right now of saying well if you call somebody a Nazi for so long it's you know what do you expect people to do I grew up listening to Rush limbo call Obama a communist every single day he was on the radio um you've got conservatives that talk about how the MRNA vaccines were ways to sneak microchips into US you've got Co lockdowns that were done because the government was trying to take all your freedom away they won't acknowledge anything that happened on January 6th um they say that the election was stolen and that your country is being taken from you like I don't think anybody should be killed I don't think anybody should go and kill anybody but when you engage in this type of rhetoric and when you turn the temperature up over and over and over and over again there is absolutely no room for you he's right he's right I don't think that they've done only but like all those examples are examples and those are all legitimate I remember whenever that happened ask for the rest of this this is going to be so stupid because this is about like how do you feel about something it's like such a stupid like virtue signal conversation it's super stupid I can already tell you what's going to happen like you say you don't want anybody killed and yet you say I don't think I have much sympathy about the attempt chasti people celebrating it celebrating the near assassination of Donald Trump if you can't find it in you to chastise people who do that aren't you just as Despicable as the people that you've just spent the last two minutes Haring no because they've led the way this is the environment that they've created so you just do you think behav like I disagree with that I don't think that uh I don't think conservatives are like they've created this I think this has just happened on its own I don't think anybody really created it it's just like it's a sense of mutual escalation that's happened over time well you think it's yeah no no right and it's like the the you know the right-wing people say the leftwing people started it the leftwing people say the right-wing people started it how where do you where where was the beginning is there actually a point that you can point to and say this is where it started because I don't think that there really is 2016 no I I think there was bad stuff before that that's what like Destiny was talking about that happening and like Obama that was like 2007 2008 2009 yeah that was a long long time ago despicable Civil War is the correct course of action not about behav behaving like the people who are despicable would be leading that type of letter would be leading that type of rhetoric it would be denying every single bad thing how many times as a liberal how many times how many times has a liberal have you been on a show not you in general but like a liberal been on a show and you've been forced to disavow all of the BLM RS disavow all of the violence and blah blah blah and then you talk to conservatives about January oh like conservatives disavow January 6 wait wait wait first off there's I feel like there's a lot of people that get pushed to disavow January 6 uh Charlottesville was another one I do think that it's like it's very common that people like people get held accountable for things that they didn't do like it it it's really not a one it's not a one-sided thing entire cultural machine that has lied there is an entire cult real time that's it that's why that's why conservatives deserve absolutely zero sympathy for anything that happens as a result of their retoric that's it it's so it's so easy like simple I'm not exactly sure what he's talking about but I would say this is the type of person that the internet has broke their brain thus leaving them with very little empathy for their cohum I mean a good decent father uh is now dead because of this he's had his brains blown out out because he was defending his wife and daughter I would hope that you have a little empathy for that deserve that well let me jump let me jump in there because we have a clip of what Destiny has said about that very let's listen to this [ __ ] it [ __ ] the dude um the firefighter guy uh [ __ ] Trump [ __ ] the people that support him I just want you to know okay just in case you're confused or it seems like I'm uh you don't whatever if one of you were in the crowd and you're a conservative fan of mine and you end up you know getting blown away or whatever the [ __ ] I'm making fun of you the next day on Twitter I am 100% I mean I got to say I just found that repulsive Destiny I wish that you Destiny's an [ __ ] is this really like are we having like a panel to determine that Destiny's an ass I could have told you that it wouldn't taken me an hour yeah I I could just yeah there is no room there is no room for the hand ringing and I will NE I will not participate in this hand ringing the hand ring absolutely is no it's just you you are positioning yourself am I the only person that thinks that this entire conversation is ridiculous it's perform it's performative yeah that that's the word I really like that word it's performative conservatives can say anything have any conspiracy theor they can have any they can do any of the things and then and then Liberals are supposed to be like oh my God it's so tragic absolutely let me explain let me explain my position I'm not a conservative I'm not I feel like a lot of conservative conspiracies are pretty widely criticized whether it's like the January 6 thing uh the election like I feel like a lot of conservative conspiracies are criticized and so are like liberal conspiracies like it's just they're criticized from the other side the pizza gate Pizza Gate's not really conservative qanon yeah think about qanon yeah on either side in your race right here's what I think about what you did you'd like to fire off as you've done so far in this debate about your Fury how disgusting Republicans are how inhumane they are how they never have any empathy blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and name a liberal conspiracy uh the Russia uh causing Trump to win in 2016 I think that that uh that has been criticized massively by conservatives and a lot of people were like getting mad about that yeah that's like the first example I can think of uh let me let me just think about it for a minute it was proven false it doesn't matter you yourself actually are exactly the person that you're describing you are in the BLM riots that's another good one yeah good point uh yeah like the BLM riots and all that I feel like conservatives criticize that a lot you are somebody who seems almost gleeful that a young firefighter with a family with a wife and children who he was protecting as he was shot dead that he deserved what was coming to him because he went to a president Trump rally a man who was president of the United States until recently for four years and may be again you sound almost conspiracy theory uh yeah so like part of it I'm using that as a term so like what I mean by that is that there was an assertion that the reason why uh like basically like police had like open season on like shooting black people and minorities and that assertion was criticized heavily by conservatives absolutely it was it's not even a question what are we even talking about people are pushing back back on that super hard who claimed that a lot of people what are you talking about yeah I I'm I'm surprised I'm getting any push back on this Gul that's I'm sorry that makes you frankly despicable yeah I don't think I'm gleeful about anything I don't think anybody should die I don't think anybody deserves to die but you want to talk about gleeful look at the conservative response to Pelosi's husband when they broke in mainstream media I don't care I don't care what your answer the reality is is that conservatives have been turning the temperature up on the rhetoric they have been making fun as I said I think everybody has you must have been heavily liberal at the time people are really getting in their feelings about the fact that I said that yeah that's absolutely true uh it 100% happened uh people created a narrative that like basically the police were going out there and shooting people and there was no line of like accountability for it at all and a lot of conservatives pushed back on this and they said the police were doing the right thing like that's where the whole like uh aab thing uh defund the police all that stuff came from like that was all a conspiracy that's [ __ ] like you need the police you can't disband the police it's [ __ ] I I I'm I'm astonished that I had a single person who was questioning this this was this was exactly a liberal conspiracy [ __ ] it's proven wrong it's proven wrong every and by the way how is it proven wrong because every single time those people have problems they're calling the [ __ ] police of these types of events for years caps are from BLM uh it massively popularized it and defunding the police and the call for that was massively popularized after that after George Floyd absolutely yeah it took it from like a one or a two and it dialed it up to 11 absolutely and now when something happens to them now they're they're looking for for uh for sympathy from the liberal side absolutely not it's insane it's unhinged that you can conduct yourself in such a manner feel sorry when things happen why should why should anybody on the right listen to a word of your hectoring and lecturing about how they should behave and by the way for the record the mockery of Nancy Pelosi's husband when he was attacked by an intruder with a hammer was also despicable right I I can see Despicable B on all sides and I'm happy to call it out when I see it you however want to present yourself as this great kind of standard bearer of decency who sees outrageous behavior on the right time and again and is incensed by this disgusting inhumane behavior and yet time and again since the atted assassination of Donald Trump you have displayed exactly the same kind of inhumane Behavior [ __ ] him about a fireman who is who is killed because he attends a rally of a guy he wants to vote for my issue with the my issue with the Maga kids is not that they are not empathetic my issue is that they support a president that led an Insurrection against the United States I'm not here to tone police over their empathy milon people voted for Donald Trump last time that's great 80 million people voted for a guy that tried to tax on the ground um the idea that you don't like you don't like a tax on you don't like a tax on Democracy so presumably you would unreservedly condemn the attempted assassination of Donald Trump because that's one of the most egregious attacks on American democracy of modern times presum you will take this opportunity given you are so determined to protect the Integrity of democracy you would find it absolutely outrageous that someone has tried to assassinate a president right if if the other conservatives this show want to say that it was absolutely outrageous Donald trp to coup the government then maybe then I would yeah no I'm not going to get on my knees and and and beg for uh forgiveness or or show sympy I'm asking for that this kind of goes back to what I was saying before where I think like the real Crux of why Destiny is pushing this really hard is because I think that he is he is doing it under a focus of like matching energy rather than uh like it it's not really a principle thing and like if there is a principle the principle is why should I concede ground when they won't I think that's basically where it's coming from CU I think that he would agree that it's a bad idea to try to kill the President right probably not a good idea to do that and it's like not good for everybody but I think that that's really why and I I I I find this to be again I think this is a very silly conversation asking you to condemn what happened as an egregious attack on on Democracy can you do that no I won't no I won't I won't you can't do that you see so why the hell why the hell should we listen to a word you have say on why do you think conservatives haven't been listening to a word that liberals have said about anything for eight years what do you think you think liberal come out now and they go oh my God this was so horrible wow that is true I'm going to Charlie I'll bring you in at the End of This I Promise You I feel bad for this girl bro like they just put her on and it's like yeah just just keep smiling sweetie it's okay no no we'll get you in for the last two minutes a good chance here Destiny with your whole position on this right is that you don't actually have anything inside you that you want the other side to have you don't have any of the empathy you don't have any sympathy you don't care that someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump you don't care that a young family was killed in the process you don't you are not the person you want these other other people to be and all you do is Play What a Bouy with every question I give you and I'm just sto what about we're talking about Donald Trump we're talking about the temperature of this country but here's a question for the two panelists what percentage of this event happening was due to Donald Trump's rhetoric what do they think the answer to that question is what percentage could it be that not zero I'll tell you that I mean it's impossible to say is it 30% 50% how do you quantify that but I tell you one thing it's not zero I think anybody would say if you say it's 0% you're a [ __ ] bro like you you you've crossed over into another realm the the other side as we just heard from Dave ruin have spent eight years calling Donald Trump the new Adolf Hitler a person who was responsible for the murder of 12 million people including 6 million Jewish people in a holocaust last time I checked Donald Trump hasn't murdered 12 million people so much as you would like him to be the new Hitler he's not but again to an impressionable young deranged mind who has easy access I knew that was going to happen that can be easily interpreted is an existential threat said President Biden somebody that needs to be put in the bullseye said Biden only last week think somebody com forward and tries to kill the existor who was engaged in more devisive R over the eight years if you had to gu if you to assign a rough per playing what again you're deflecting just as as Joe Biden did last night just as Joe Biden did with leester Hall on NBC last night every time he was asked have you done any soul searching about your own rhetoric your own ill advised use of language he deflected it back to attacks on Trump and you're doing exactly the same thing with Republicans you say Republicans are this is so stupid everybody's doing it everybody acknowledges that everybody's doing it but they're fighting about like who's doing it more that really depends on who you ask like you're not like there's no way that you can come to a consensus on that it's impossible like what you you can't like I mean I'm just being realistic like you you really can't it's pretty easy yeah and I'm sure somebody who has the different outcome that you do thinks the same thing this is a this is a conversation that will never end comment When Donald Trump was saying second Amendment people could maybe do something about Hillary Clinton like no it's absolutely deranged the double standard that's being asked here is insane and you heard both earlier how much a Donald Trump's rhetoric contribute to the current environment oh not much at all like no yeah I'm not gonna say anything to these people of course not you see Destiny seem odly unversed in any of the current events that have happened over the last couple years first off politics is Downstream from culture right and what has happened to our culture in the last eight years what has happened to our culture is that the mainstream media has lied about everything always to the detri of right leaning people whether it is the Russia hoax or Co or Brett Kavanaugh a serial rapist or the Covington kids are racist or Jesse smette was hoaxed uh was was lynched or whether it was very fine people on both sides every single lie always goes against right leaning people so they are slightly annoyed and distrustful of people and the thing is like he's right about all of those examples he is he's right this is why this argument will never there will never be a conclusion to this because both sides are wrong it's obvious that they're wrong I don't I it's it's amazing to me that this conversation is still going on like they're both really bad like how are we like this it's crazy that's the point I I know I'm just saying like it's just it's so dumb like you and other people in mainstream media WR Brave take people always talk to me about and they say that like my opinion on it is that uh you know I I like to take a middle of the road stance on things and I'm like a fence sitter um let me tell you something if you stand in the middle of the road you get hit coming both ways there are people who think that I'm a Nazi and also people who think that I'm like a Jewish operative and I think if I have both sides of those people mad at me I'm probably pretty normal no I I I think this is actually what's happened 100% about literally everything so perhaps literally everything like biolabs and nais in Ukraine or like mRNA vaccines that are causing 20% excess death there it is yeah or the fact that Co lock down course there's Nazis in Ukraine like there's Nazis in the US there's Nazis everywhere there's Nazis in Germany still like that doesn't mean what does it have to do with Ukraine as a country that's not the point yeah what forever it was just an authority Aran abuse of power do you remember what I was saying before about how like culture nowadays teaches you not to critically think because if you critically think about things you run into problems whenever you critically evaluate the dogma of your own side I think that you're seeing a lot of the examples of that here like this is exactly what I was talking about like this entire thing this is why people don't critically think anymore it's because if you critically think you end up running up against your own side and they will not forgive you for it look at what happened with Destiny for example You can disagree with a lot of things that Destiny has said but I found it to be quite odd that Destiny has been uh effectively repudiated by a lot of the leftwing community because he did question a lot of those things and you know who else questioned a lot of those things and got kicked off the other guy earlier uh Jen Huger from uh The Young Turks now he quit right but he quit after they sat him down and told him you have to give the mainstream opinion for things this is very common what do the question uh Destiny for example was Kyle writtenhouse and uh being negative about the riers and with Jen yuger I don't I it was it was in like 2008 so like I I really don't remember I just remember hearing him talk about it or yeah of course like come on dude conservatives are masters of misinformation and it's happening right here let me bring in let me bring in let me bring in let me bring in Charlie been waiting very patiently thank you for being so patient things have obviously got quite heated quite quickly let me give you your chance now to have your say after what you've been hearing from from Destiny yeah well first one of my mods brings up a good point and he says that um there's a point where things cross the line I think Destiny's cross the line what I think happens is that we have a self- radicalizing culture and what ends what what will go on is like somebody will say something that's like kind of normal and then they'll get hate for it and then they'll just get more and more and more extreme because their normal positions in their mind get uh alienate them and I'll give you an example of this uh Nick Ms is an example of this Nick Ms was always pretty quiet about politics and then he said one time he didn't want like uh you know uh what do you call it like LGBT stuff in like Elementary School and in schools and people treated that like he wanted to kill LGBT people and I think that radicalized him so it's like as soon as you push people away they go even farther than when you push them and I think that's what happens and I think that happened with Destiny too in some cases and that's again and why is that going against the established Dogma thinking thinking for yourself first of all Destiny represents to me a certain subsect of the left I won't call it everybody who likes to bully he radical uh you've spammed that five times that's enough yeah that's just enough I I don't if if you can't understand what the Overton window of culture is and be able to like contextualize what he's saying inside of that window then that's not my problem that's your problem others into saying exactly what they want to hear and if they don't say it then you all of a sudden are the problem and and they just they handle it exactly like he's been handling it on the show it's like it's like a child throwing a temper tantrum you can't get a word in edgewise they just kick and scream and yell until you ultimately say I've had enough just say what you want to say and back down and that's exactly what we see a lot of times from people on the left and it just infuriates me because just like we saw on Saturday with the near assassination of Donald Trump which that is exactly what it was it was an assassination attempt yet we have Dave like you mentioned all of the mainstream media putting out egregious headlines such as from CNN Trump removed from stage by Secret Service after Loud Noises startles former president and crowd which completely news headlines were 100% accurate here it this is the conservative this is the game right now it is not accurate right now you know Fox News of all we are we are allowed we are allowed in this country to ask questions there was a lot of things that were very off on Saturday from the way that the Secret Service so you know I love this country God bless I guess yeah you can see see I agree that like I I think Destiny brings up a good point that they were just reporting on it as being breaking news but I I'm the kind of person to be honest with you I don't trust the media at all and if there is a case where I think the media can downplay something that's inconvenient for them I think they will and like my perspective with the media is I start with your lying and I Prov to myself that you're telling the truth and I found it to be very odd that everybody knew it was a gunshot except for the news stations he walks up with a he gets with a bloody ear like how do we not know what's going on here like how does this happen and I understand hey look I get it right I get it it it's breaking news it's being developed in a certain time but based off of the media misrepresenting many other things yeah my default is that I bet they're misrepresenting this too that's my perspective absolutely see there you go he he immediately don't talk over each other let me just ask you this Destiny you you were asked on that clip we played earlier if you'd have the same attitude if your parents who' been killed at a trump rally and you replied it's less end of life costs for me would I lose sleep over it no do you understand how grotesque that sounds it it sounds grotesque but the environment that we're in right now is grotesque why to sound you cannot engage in behavior that leads us to this point that BRS us to the precipice and then say wait a second are you taking this a little bit too far just to be clear hang hang on hang on what conserves have said just to be clear if it was close members of your family or close friends who had gone to that Donald Trump rally and who had lost their lives one did and two are critically ill uh wounded if they had died there you would lose no sleep over that is that your position of course of course I would be sad it would be tragic of course and the closer they are to you the more sad it would be the same way that if if you had a child that you know tried to rob a store and the child got killed by the police that would also be tragic and sad you wouldn't think you wouldn't think [ __ ] them because they're your family then you'd have a different rule for your own loved ones obviously this is this is the pro this is why I hate these moralizing arguments they're so [ __ ] stupid oh God I hate them so much bro like I hate hate them they're I oh God what I feel more upset a person very close to me died rather than a person farther way be yeah I think the answer there is yes you weren just just to be clear you weren't just not upset by the death of that I think this is an example of like you know the the there's an old quote it says uh if you gaze into the abyss long enough it'll gaze back into you I think that if you have these arguments and like these fights with people in chat all the time it's going to be very easy for people to catch clips of you saying things that are like extreme or like uh evil or something like that and I think a lot of times like people will just be in a bad mood and say something like I know that I've done that many times myself where it's like not really true but you're just saying something as like a frame of reference to like try to like prove what you're saying uh not that it makes it okay but it's just like that's where I think it comes from so yeah I think that's kind of what happened who given great service As A Firefighter to his country you were gleeful and you said [ __ ] him [ __ ] him I'm not say FU them if it was your family and friends was a support I would say that if they if they go to a rally like this and they support an Insurrection as president and something happens to them I would feel sad on a personal level because they're my parents but again I learned from them more than anyone else I grew up in Nebraska you learn that if you mess around and if you do dumb stuff that they're going to be consequen would you think would you think would you and would you be happy to say you know what [ __ ] them about your own his rhetoric is far more dangerous than I've ever heard anything that Donald Trump said what he's saying I do actually think Destiny's wrong about this that it should that it's a I I think equating robbing a store being a consequence of bad behavior to going to a rally and getting killed I think that's kind of like not really accurate because like one of them is you're breaking the law and the other one is you're exercising your rights I I think that you should normally be able to expect like you should be able to exercise your rights to do things without worrying about getting killed right I mean it's not really a question like like doing something while committing a crime versus not is very different thing right there he is saying you should have no empathy or sympathy for your fellow human you know we can all disagree we can disagree about politics of course we and we can even disagree about how the media frames things and everything go to a rally and and get killed and that is that is absolutely psychotic I'm sorry and you know the other part of this that's strange when people are calling for Unity right now is if this had happened to Joe Biden if Joe Biden had been shot at and had part of his ear blown off the very people calling for Unity right now would be calling for the rest of us to be put in jail so there's a strange asymmetry there as well and I would ask this strange symmetry the strange asymmetry was Biden trying to make a phone call to the uh to the wife of the killed firefighter and and and her rejecting the call and Donald Trump not even reaching out okay that's the asymmetry when you talk about it's just politics this is the cancerous brain rot that conservatives have fooled everybody into thing it's just it's not just politics to think that vaccines will kill you okay I've got three dead family members from covid my mom won't get a vaccine okay after both of them were in the military these guys went I'm not vaccinated God vacinated tell my parents went up and down the line basic training for the Air Force they got 20 30 vaccines each my dad has a vacc injury in his shoulder and the idea of not getting vaccinated was uncons to them until the conservative spread these messages that are just politics let me ask you thisy let me ask this science has shown that the vaccine actually was one of the worst things you could have done for yourself thank God I didn't get vaccinated I thank God every single day I didn't get let's not get I don't want to get I don't want to read I don't want to get back into I don't want to get back into Co right hangang of it all hang on I don't want to get down into Co again I want to stick to this story and I want to ask you Destiny about Elon Musk who is responded to one ex user who was calling for him to demonetize you on the xplatform and he said you're right this is not appropriate content for advertisers because of the offensive tweets you were aiming at Trump supporters what is your response to Elon Musk the same response as it always has been Elon mosque is a thinly vealed I would say like anti-woke anti sjw basically right-wing supporting guy and if you say things that they don't like of course they'll demonetize you they'll cancel you uh conservatives are some of the least principal people in the universe when it comes to freedom of speech as soon as they have I think that there's a I don't think that there's like really it's not one or the other I don't think any of them have any principles I think that they just view it as I hate cancel culture unless I'm doing it that's it it's that's and I think by the way this is the case with like 95% of all issues nobody has any principle on it period they don't really care they only care about being able to use it for their own gain have any power to demonetize or spam report somebody's uh you know sponsors or anything like that of course conservatives will jump onto it my account also was demonetized I think in like 12 hours thank you very much Elon Musk uh although I do notice that my docs has been floating around Twitter for two days now and tons of accounts that I've been reporting that haven't been banned yet but I'm glad we got our priorities straight there again here's what I think we're all struck by your position seems to be that that anyone see you people say Hypocrites you only say Hypocrites because you assume that this is a principle it was never a principle saying that it was a principle was only convenient it was always about power from Donald Trump to his supporters who represents their thinking their ideology their political views that if they are killed by an assassin MH at a at a rally then they deserve what's coming to them and in your words [ __ ] them I mean do not understand that to most decent Americans and to decent people around the world that is incredibly offensive and makes you look like a two-faced hypocrite somebody who wants the other side to behave to a certain level of decency but himself in capable of displaying it I'm the conservatives don't have it in them to have that level of De why don't you rise why don't you your show them show them the promised land show them the way they should be behing for years there's nothing to be gained there soone said I think that Destiny is right about this by the way you should never show somebody sympathy they wouldn't show you that's the like if you do that they'll just take advantage of you we'll just have a laugh instead the the when you're asking when you yeah like they did for Pelos husband like they did for BLM people like the for the endless he didn't die but he got the crap beat out of him with a hammer and no and people can get mad about what I'm saying you you can get mad about what I'm saying but I think this is a more effective way to get power you can say this it's morally wrong but I think that using the same things against people that they use against you no matter what is more effective and a stronger method of getting power and maintaining power absolutely jokes about his by the jokes were the jokes were disgusting why can't you say the the same thing about the people making mockery of trump why do you join the mob why do you it's not just because it's not just the jokes it's the underlying substantive analysis as well it's the lack of responsibility for um for January 6 it's the lack of responsibility for the um for the um for the AG gretan plot uh it's the uh lack of accountability for I don't think it's really a responsibility for conservatives to take accountability for January 6 like there's a lot of people that were not really supporting January 6 and it just happened in the same way that like there's Charlottesville or anything else question marks no no that's not that's not the case at all uh he pushed it no no what I'm saying is that so there's a big problem that I think people have with something that's like effectively shared guilt and just because you have like one political opinion doesn't mean that you have the shared guilt of like the actions of the people with that opinion so when you hold a person accountable for something they didn't do and they didn't necessarily support and you constantly try to make them defend that thing or like justify it or condemn it a lot of times those people that like they weren't at the capital they might not even support doing that they might say hey yeah I don't know if the election was rigged or not but I don't agree with storming the capital they might think that the election wasn't rigged and they just lost like there's a lot of people that just don't actually have any real shared accountability for that like I'm very confused yeah many support it I agree with you I think many of them do support support it but all of them don't and I think the problem is whenever you treat everybody like like whenever you treat somebody like everybody because fundamentally whenever you take a person who says I'm conservative and then you say hey that means that you have this this this this and this you are fundamentally dehumanizing that person because you're not looking at them as an individual with their own views you're looking at them as an extension of the group that they're part of and that's bad in any circumstance that's bad if you do that based on race gender age or anything or or like uh religion any of this stuff it's it's always bad so it's the same exact thing I I I I don't think that it's fair for people to be accountable that oh wow other people that are you know related to this cause did something bad and now this is my fault no it's not you didn't do it and in often cases people don't support it either I I'm very confused by this 60% of Republicans think that it was stolen that means 40% don't did you see what I'm saying that's massive it's guilt by association yes but that's an extreme Viewpoint I agree it should be zero it should be zero but you're not going to get it to Zero by getting mad at the 40% it's not going to happen it's pointless asking them to condemn something that they never were a part of it's insane this is some original sin original sin [ __ ] stop it's so weird it's cult mentality yes holy [ __ ] no people are not a monolith just because they have a a general Viewpoint it's crazy bro it's a majority I agree I I don't know if it's a majority or not people say it's 60% let's say it is true it is that's a lot of people that's really bad for sure I agree with you but I still don't think that you should take individual people and try to make them accountable for what they didn't do it's two separate things 40% is still a person isn't 40% shitty take asmin wrong completely made up stat by the way it's crazy how stupid some people are protesters all of these by state the Republicans should do in response is simply say [ __ ] all of them [ __ ] them who cares Piers that's what you're not understanding Piers listen to me this is what you're not understanding you keep you keep bringing this up to me like well Destiny if you act like this aren't conservatives just going to do and then you say a thing but they they've done this for eight years right so the other side the other side is horrendous therefore I'm going to be even more horrendous it's so un princip the horrendous part about the conservatives isn't just the rhetoric it's the underlying factual denial of reality that's the big that's the huge issue that's the big bad part BR let me bring Charlie back to respond to that Charlie yeah I mean I think it's the opposite I think that Destiny you are completely fueled solely off of emotion whereas I think that I'll say conservatives even though I think that it spans past conservatives when they look at the facts of the summer of BLM the BLM movement as a whole January 6th uh this assassination attempt when you look at the facts things unfold before your eyes and they reveal themselves to be actually what they are there's a lot of evidence that have come has come forth since all of these events in the past have occurred and they have shown that exactly what conservatives were saying were absolutely correct just like what about the elections I mean like the assassination attempt on Saturday we look at what went wrong we look at not only Not only was this one rooftop on guarded but how did the gunman know that the rooftop was unguarded why was it that local law enforcement alerted the Secret Service moments before shots were there it is there is a there is actually a very good question you think January 6 do you think j6 was a false flag I think January 6 there's a lot of discussions to be had I think there's a lot of facts that came forward see no this he's right Destiny's right it was obviously bad January 6 was obviously bad there's no defending it it it was a joke it made Trump look like an idiot the people that went in there were wrong for doing it they should have never done it th so and and this is what I [ __ ] hate the reason why you have the extremism like this is because you can't call out going in there walking out of the the [ __ ] government building carrying [ __ ] with you as being just wrong it's wrong you shouldn't [ __ ] do that you shouldn't go in and sit at random Senators desks out of [ __ ] nowhere looking through all of their [ __ ] this is it's it's not even a question H how is this H how do you even for a second say it's anything other than bad and this is why the extremism happens they wanted to hang Mike Pence I I understand that but I I'm just saying at a base level it was a bad thing to do I'm not even using the extremes it was bad and I think that she like do you see what I'm saying right about how her not immediately condemning it and saying this was a bad thing causes Destiny to not immediately condemn the shooting do you see how these two things are like it's like this [ __ ] uh you know just like it's like an arms race of being [ __ ] [ __ ] because politics has been made like really accessible and it's been made to appeal to like lowest common denominator people those types of people that think about it think with their emotions and they're stupid that's really the reason they're just stupid and a lot of people like her I bet that if you asked her privately if she thought January 6 was bad she would say that it was bad so why aren't they saying it publicly they're not saying it publicly because there is a massive contingency of the unwashed masses of people that are complete [ __ ] morons that can't hear anything that's counter to their belief system or they will completely turn on you and think that you're a Trader that's the reason why people talk around it is because if they think if they do that they're going to lose that support the fact that you look that up on wikkipedia doesn't stop Ted from being stupid it doesn't stop te Ted and Bill and Gary and uh you know Bill uh it doesn't stop them from doing anything Rufus yeah I never I will never give sympathy to this side these guys are destroying the country for a single for a sing we know here's your here's your problem there were agents present on January 6 we saw the tourists being ushered into the capital building they being treated like terrorists and in fact in fact in fact several months ago Swami it's only fair that if there used in were they ushered out with all of their stuff I mean were they ushered into the the individual rooms I mean what are we talking about here have a decent conversation about all this let me let me say in fact we're not able to have a conversation let like let me just say what I think about J because I wrote it at the time and I believe it today I thought it was a shameful attack on the heart of American democracy it was an attempt to thwart democracy taking place it should never have happened everyone in D in any violent act that day was utterly shameful Donald Trump's rhetoric that day was appalling all those things are completely true destiny I can happily subscribe to that neither of your other guest here the neither of these a repblic is right he's right it should have never happened to Destiny if I'm a republican listening to you I'm thinking hang on this guy thinks we're all disgusting we're rep no empathy this that he himself is proud of being even more disgusting yeah I think it's a reactionary position too absolutely and then I would say wow well nothing has changed from since before covid before the vaccines before j6 when they thought the election was stolen when they thought that we were forced into lockdowns for no reason when they thought that George Soros and the world economic Forum uh and the and and the IMF Banks and everybody were taking over the country and the Federal Reserve was devaluing currency like it's all the same nothing has changed let me ask you this I'm wait can you can you ask characterization of j6 Destiny one last question for you are you pleased that Donald Trump got shot am I pleased no absolutely not what is your emotion to the shooting my emotion is emotionally what in terms of his personal how this absolute indifference no do you condemn the shooter shooting Donald Trump of course no not not here not on this program not in front of these people absolutely that's the reason see he's he knows that it's wrong and that's why he's qualifying his statement by saying not in front of these people this is a complete reactionary position and Destiny knows that it's wrong to try to shoot the President right it's obviously a bad idea to shoot the president but he's not saying it because they're not condemning January 6th I think that I I I feel like if they had said January 6 was a bad thing and all of that was bad I bet Destiny would have said yeah it was bad to do this it's like a I don't even know it it's just it's dumb do not condemn a der shooter shooting Donald Trump just a child and that's why he said not in front of these people it's because he knows that it's the wrong position to have but he doesn't want to have it or sorry he doesn't want to push it because out of spite because he thinks these people aren't giving any ground I think that's what's going on here such a child I I'm not I'm just explaining what I think is happening that's that's fine you can think that that's fine but that's what he that's why I think it's happening this is not not comp trying to be decent know what Charlie it's not actually the behavior of a child it's it's it's the behavior of somebody who's completely lost his moral compass and any sense of decency child I'm going to go to Dave Ruben Reuben Dave Rubin respond to what you just heard from Destiny I mean it's actually one of the most disgusting things that I've ever heard in my life my entire staff and my studio right now all gasped at that when I I happened to be a Target the store Target we were checking out when I saw it on Twitter and my heart actually sank and I know that that is the feeling of probably 200 plus if not 300 plus million Americans even many of whom would vote against Trump and do not like Trump and all of those other things the idea that you can't show sympathy or empathy for that is is so profoundly said I would also add one other thing here which is that the reason you're so emotive in screaming beyond the Red Bull and dude just ease up man it's not healthy for your heart is that is that you really don't have good arguments so you're you're petulent and screaming as opposed to just trying to work things out we're allowed to ask questions about these things but I but I would hope that you would try as Piers is pointing out instead of always reaching for the lowest common denominator and they're bad so I'll be worse I would hope that we could try to be a little bit better than that and by the way I think that you're seeing that right now at the Republican National Convention they're not going crazy over all of this they're applauding the fact that Trump's there they're they're rallying around the new VP choice and I think you're going to see a wide swath of America that maybe didn't come out for Trump before and they're not traditional conservative I think you're going to see them support Trump I totally agree I say to you the fact choice is a guy who's also said that Donald Trump is like Hitler apologized for it and said he got it wrong yeah I would say this to you Destiny Lester H asked Joe Biden last night has he had any soul searching right I think after this debate you may want to just go away quietly and think about some of the answers you've given and think about the double standard of demanding cavor more standards in America you may or may not take my advice you may or may not take my advice I'm just saying on reflection you might conclude that the best way to persuade other people to behave in a better way is not to behave in an utterly degrading way yourselves that's all I think deleting a YouTube channel only takes one click Destiny no it doesn't yeah right after you Dave okay I'm G to leave it there thank you all very much to my panel I appreciate it it's like five clicks I think it takes a while you have to confirm it and then like email and everything yeah it's it's not even true fake news uh so yeah anyway way I think this entire conversation was a complete waste of time I think that everything that they were saying was basically the Cold War of being unreasonable I think that it's unreasonable to say to say anything other than January 6 was bad like Insurrection illegal traitor all of these words I'm not using these words I'm using one word bad it was bad bad it should not have happened and it's also the same with the assassination it's obviously [ __ ] bad like I I I I feel like I'm do people criticize me sometimes for saying the obvious thing I feel like right now I'm actually doing that I'm actually saying shooting the president is bad you know can I get some truths in the chat it's [ __ ] obvious it's so [ __ ] obvious I don't know what to say I don't know why so difficult it's because the other side won't do it and so other people don't want to and then also people don't want to rile up against their uh their base of people that are not uh you know like not thinkers about it des's en Tire's point and they're not condemning these heinous acts but they expect it from the other side I know that that I've said I said that all along that's why I I I try to talk about this stuff more is because I think that like my perspective with like almost all politics is is that I don't really like care a whole lot about what happens because I just assume that I'm going to survive through it and figure out a way to get through it no matter what so like I might have like my opinion of how I hope it should go but like I don't really have like an emotional attachment to it a lot because honestly I you know I've got a lot of money there's nothing that's going to really affect me in a big way probably uh it's not really going to change my life in a big way so Hassan's idiots in chat well that that's F I'm sure there's people in my chat that go over to his stream and and also I I think Assan would probably agree with kind of some of the conclusions that I'm drawing here myself I think a lot of people would and I think all these people would too but the problem is that it's a cold war and so nobody wants to let up that pressure before somebody else does and that's why it keeps happening that's that's the whole yeah that's the whole reason why this is happening