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Lecture on Ancient Egyptian Artifacts with Matt Bell

all right Matt Bell how much money worth of ancient Egyptian artifacts is sitting on this podcast table right now starting with an easy question um I have no idea I mean it's worth whatever you'd be willing to sell it for right so um you know I don't know it's it's def they've definitely increased in value since I started buying them I'll put it that way so so I mean I started back in January 2023 and kind of went through like a crazy person through you know like crazy buying spree all through 2023 and then kind of settled down but in that time the prices went way up you know I mean they're triped they're sometimes quadruple what they would have been a year and a half ago now so right yeah yeah I mean there's you know it's uh some of them like I wouldn't sell you know like some of like this guy right here you know um you know this one with the gold handles like you just there's not a there's not a price that you could even you know say I know the the value is a big question for people but it's just you know it's kind of like anything like what would what would some what would somebody pay for it you know for people that are watching this podcast or listening especially people who are listening right now this is going to be a very visual podcast we have what like 30 ancient Egyptian vases sitting on this table right now that Matt has purchased on the Antiquities market and uh we're going to be going through all this stuff and showing this we got close-up shots Steve's got the cameras all dialed in getting the be the GL the glamour shots of these vases what is the process of buying one of these things yeah it's kind of I mean it's different there's a couple different ways I I started when Ben van kirwick released his first like couple of videos on it you know I was totally hooked when when Uncharted X came out with like their their uh their uh their take on these things I was like you know this is it seemed like the best evidence for something really cool happening out there in the world right now and there's not a lot that's really cool happening so and how else can you like you know um get a piece of get a piece of that uh you know in other ways other than this um so that's kind of where I got hooked on to it where I got started was from uh watching Ben and then I had him come on to my podcast you know last year and we talked about these things he would have never come and talked to me I'm sure if it wasn't for for the basis but uh but we formed a great friendship he's a great dude I'm sure I'll give a handful of shout outs to bend during this thing but um um yeah I mean you can do it through uh uh auction houses you know um or websites basically so you know if you go on to like uh on on your phone you can download a app um live auctioneers.com and that's a good one like that's like they have a they got a bunch on there um chrisy soube um botoms placais you know there's a lot of auction houses that sell these things these tiny ones are when you showed me this last night I was my mind was melting yeah because not only are these things like hard Granite the most hard stone that exists on Earth but these things are precise and they're like smaller than a shot glass right yeah yeah and they get smaller than that too I mean yeah there's some there's some crazy I don't know yeah how they did it it's a huge mystery but yeah all different shap why did they do it why do they make them so small right right yeah and they're really you know you get some really precise ones at that size too you know so it's that's the difference but I mean there's like this this classification that's super precise like crazy precise and then there's classification that looks like you know it's it's it's just done with um it's incredible work but just done with with less um what whatever you might call it you incredible tools you wouldn't think about something as like a vase being such a mysterious Relic when you compare it to the Great Pyramid because it's just as crazy of a fe of a human being to produce something like this as the Great Pyramids because it's so precise and it's made out of these Stones as out of these hard grain of stones yeah yeah totally agree yeah I mean when you look at the pyramids there's you look at the sapium you know those huge boxes that are down there like you look at the the vases um we don't have the tools for any of that stuff like we don't know how that stuff was built you know we don't know how they built the pyramids I mean there's a couple theories with like ramps and sand you know like pulleys and ropes and you know there's some theories for this stuff there's some but but we don't have the tools from the pre-dynastic time to it's a huge mystery there there there's not many Mysteries so this is a CO one it's really cool how many of these vases have you guys actually measured in one of those laser scanners or those uh what are they CT scans you do yeah yeah yeah yeah there's two different ways that you can do it so there's a structured light scan um which is like you know you put it onto a uh you put it onto like you know a flat a flat surface you spin it around you've got like a uh something shining a laser at it a light ated and it and it picks up the dimensions basically by turning it and so you get like a full picture of it and it creates a mesh file um that's a little bit less precise than the uh CT scanner so CT scanner is the way to go for sure if you're going to be measuring these things and attempt to like figure out the exact dimensions and there's a great company that I've been using called EMS and they've got a a CT scanner I ship them up to Michigan and they scan them there and then ship them back it's like a you know they they do it in a day they ship it back um but they've got an incredible CT scanner and the the benefit of the CT scanner is you get the inside walls so yeah so you get like you get all of the you get the full thing with the with the structured light scan on the you're just getting the outside but but yeah the CT scanner and it's at a higher resolution so you can really you know get down to like a thousandth of a millimeter on on the measurements to know exactly how precise they are it's it's pretty crazy a thousandth of a millimeter yeah yeah it's insane which one of these vases is the most precise uh you know I mean there's different measurements on all of them so there's only a few ways to measure each of these so take this one for example so this is one of them for sure uh you you can measure the top outside of the lip right so from here to here you can measure the the roundness of it but that's one measurement the inside of the mouth is another measurement the uh the width so like from here to here here to here the the x- axis the y axis um so there's only like six measurements on each of these five if it has a round bottom six if it doesn't um and so this one is one of those that on some of the uh some of the measurements it's showing like insanely precise numbers and so this is one that I brought up to Danville and was with uh you know Chris Don and Alex Don and Ben and all those guys and we were measuring this one um so so this one's got some insane measurements to it this one this thin wall face here that we don't want to drop this is this is the fr this is the most fragile Yeah Yeah by far and there's not another one this is this is one of the coolest ones just because I've never seen another one like this anywhere like I mean there's one in a museum that uh that that uh that you can find uh pictures of online that has actually part of the side broken out of it and so you can see that it's about 2 mm thick um this thing on on a band that goes across the middle of this thing do we have a flashlight um somewhere oh right there yeah yeah so this thing is 2 millimet Steve where's the best place to hold it like right here this area is that good um yeah that'll work yeah I mean it's pretty it's pretty that's wildy pretty bright in here but but you can still see the light coming through this let's turn the lights off this band let's make it spooky in here yeah yeah yeah there you go look at that dude holy cow isn't that insane there yeah there you go yeah I mean and so so what they did is they thinned out this this part around the middle they made the part around the middle about 2 mm thick the rest of it is basically 4 mm thick on on the bottom and on the top and then they on the bottom on the very bottom of it they uh they they make it thicker so that it's you know it's like uh stable and sturdy and it's not going to break so what is this material that's Granite that's red granite this is red granite yeah or Rose Granite whatever you want to call it Aswan Granite where where does this land on the Mo's scale of hardness I mean Granite for the most part is is going to be between a six and a seven so sometimes seven and a half it can it can you know but it's in that range it's one of the harder stones on Earth I mean when you talk about Granite granad diorite diorite uh Basalt there's a lot of Basalt here um those are going to be the the the hardest stones that that that these are made out of you bought all these right and you decided toay pay with your own money to get these scans done correct to get these things measured did you get any sort of help from any of these Egyptian museums or like the Petri Museum or any anybody like that no no I mean so in terms of in terms of what no I haven't in terms of like like trying to analyze these vases and figure out what's going on I haven't tried yet I haven't tried to work with the museums yet so so I'm kind of just doing my own thing with this own with my private collection and I'm trying to study them and scan them and just you know I don't honestly with work and with life and everything else like I don't have the the capacity to like reach out to museums and try to do all that I know that by by talking to people by talking to people like Ralph Ellis um um uh a bunch of people have tried to reach out to museums and get things scanned um the answer has been no from the museums that have been reached out to and I know like Ralph has told me he's reached out to like 10 different people uh Ben uh Adam Young who's going to be presenting at the cosmic Summit has tried to reach out to people and supposedly he's making some progress supposedly he's you know he's hopefully going to be able to do that he hasn't really you know let me let me know one way or the other but but um the the issue is you have to take them out of the museums and then you have to ship them away to a CT scanner somewhere at some other location and a lot of museums just don't want to do that so so far museums have not wanted to play ball But ultimately that's the goal right I mean we have to we have to have things that have been with with perfect archaeological contexts that have been taken out of a tomb and we know that we can date that tomb to a specific period of time and and then that that that thing's been pulled out so that there's no chance that it was you know some Modern forgery or or whatever so that's what and that's the biggest push back from the the um the detractors or the debunkers or whatever you want to call the group of people that that hate the fact that we're doing this research and that we're trying to see if there's anything here um that they that they're saying you know well there's no there's no uh it could be a fake could be a modern fake you know so um I think who are the people that are saying that these things could be modern fakes I mean it's a possibility you know but I mean I think that that a lot of people within the uh when they see the measurements it's really the ones that are that are super precise and it's people within the archaeological Community or the you know or egyptologists or historians people who think that they have that we have the exact right story of the history of mankind and that there's no tools that we don't know about outside of the archaeological record you know and that that everything that we know is is is perfectly true and and complete facts right now those people are the ones that have a difficult time with the artifacts that are very precise because there's no tools that can create um you know uh this artifact in the archaeological record I mean you've got I think well we can check the um the the scan report but I think on this one when you look at the lip on the X and Y axis you've got like a thousandth of a millimeter I mean it's it's stupid thousandth of a millimeter of a millimeter yeah yeah it's like 150th of of of the width of a human hair it's totally microscopic that's the distance on the x- axis and the y axis the variation yeah yeah yeah so this from here to here is one distance from here to here is another distance and it's it's like a thousandth of a millimeter off so it's perfectly it's perfectly round is what that tells you to within microscopic tolerances and supposedly these were made with chisels you know that these were these were like rounded off with chisels there's not turning devices from um there's not a lathe you know from from this from pre-dynastic Egypt where these come from if you if you asked um mainstream egyptologists when this would have been made what would they say um they would Pro I mean for the museum pieces or for this piece specifically right here for any of these pieces yeah I mean they would say you know that if it's uh that if it's a real artifact that that if it's uh you know then they'll probably go along with the U the dates on the certificate of authenticity and and you know so they'll tell you it was from between 4,000 BC and 2650 BC you know in that time period okay if they think that it's just too precise to that it has to be a modern reproduction made on some kind of a machine then they're going to tell you it's a modern you know that it's fake and from 2500 BC to 5,000 5,000 BC uh yeah I mean pretty much 40 45 yeah 5,000 you're going to find you're going to find some really crude um uh 5,000 BC Stone artifacts um but 4,500 to 3100 BC kind of that predynastic time period is where uh a lot of these come from and from that time period what are the tools that we have evidence for yeah I mean it's garbage it's like you know you're talking about like uh and this is the part where I don't want to like um I I think very highly of our an right and this is the part where where the detractors are always like you know oh they they just thinks our ancestors are idiots you know that but but but they didn't have tools that were capable of doing this so when you look at the tools in the archaeological record I mean you're talking about like Flint chisels you're talking about um copper chisels you're you're talking about um you know just um pounding Stones pounding Stones exactly sticks you know you know sticks with uh where you attach a rock to the bottom of the stick and you stick it inside of this thing and you and you twist it around and that's how supposedly you get wall thickness that's perfectly um you know perfectly this the exact same thickness on this side of the artifact is on this side of the artifact I mean to you know to 100th of a millimeter I mean and and you can't do that by just like turning a stick in here but that's the tools that exist in the archaeological record from this time period it's a time period that we know almost nothing about so you know and it's the hardest stones on Earth and it's the hardest material on Earth to work with and and so it's like you talked about the the pyramids it's like the oldest stuff always seems to be the best it always seems to be the most precise you know and it's like you go back and you look at ancient Egypt and the structures that were built and the pyramids that were built the oldest stuff is always the best Well's similar with these objects and it's like you know um to to not have it's just it's just a huge question mark to not have any tools that are capable of producing something like this and yet here they are here's the artifacts and and you know going back to pre-dynastic times um Egypt wasn't even United you know it was it was Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt were two completely separate areas until Scorpion King came along in whatever 3200 3100 BC um killed the the king and and and United Upper and Lower Egypt and then they had this like this this Glory this is the story you know from the establishment that they had this like incredible uh several hundred year several couple of thousand year run of you know pyramid building and and creating all these incredible ancient structures um so um at this time period in the pre-dynastic time period it was literally I mean you're talking like just um you know very primitive very primitive people very primitive tools that's a story that were given so so if we wanted to could we recreate a Granite vase that's as precise as that one today I think so I think yeah I do think so yeah how would we do it uh with a uh 5axis Mill you know with like a uh like a very sophisticated lathe and you would probably design it on a computer you know you would you would you would just um you know um could it be done by hand um I'm going to say no you know I'm going to say that that we couldn't today do create one of the Precision artifacts by hand and but we would need very expensive machines and computer programs and stuff to create that it's not like a hobbyist couldn't do this correct Yeah couple hundred thousand you know you're talking about machines that cost that much and and there's there's probably companies that you could you know hire to do this I haven't seen any and this is part of the issue like if people can do it and people can make these and it's so cheap and so easy because I've I've seen some debunking videos that's like you know um uh yeah there's a company in China that can just go make one of these for like $50 well nobody's doing that like nobody's you don't see that is there yeah is there any videos of people making these right no and and there's no evidence that they exist you know so and and and and when you look at the market and you're studying the market like I did in 2023 uh you look at the inventory that's there and available online there's it's not like there's like a plethora of new artifacts coming online at all times like right now if you go out and you try to buy some of these you're not going to find any like there's none available right now and if it was that easy to produce these and to make them and to make them you know fake and and cheap and easy and and and and the and the dealers were like all you know uh like criminals then you would see these all over the place like you would be able to buy them from anybody anywhere you know because um because they could they could you know they could make a tremendous markup but we don't see that and we don't see duplicates that's the other thing you know we don't see U like the same artifact produced twice ever you know you don't you don't that's that's not a that's not a thing so it's not as if all of these are so different man yeah totally and like this one they don't have flat bottoms they spin right right so if you're making a vase right you think nowadays if you make a vase it's like to hold something in it right flowers or a decorative piece that sits on a table but if this is a decorative piece that's meant to sit on a table why wouldn't you make a flat bottom why do these all have these rounded curved bottoms to them right they they don't like they wobble right like that one right there or this one right here yeah all these spin yeah I mean all the obviously all the round bottom spin but like even you know like this one like does not look like it should be able to spin right right but but they all I mean most of them most of them do they they intentionally rounded the bottom things heavy yeah that's a big piece of granite yeah and it's like it's like why would you intentionally round the corners off of the bottom to like maximize um your minimize friction you know I mean why would you want it to be wobbly and to be able to tip over now I mean I I think if you ask like a like a historian or someone or or you know one of the debunker channels they're going to be like well it's uh they they they kept them in sand you know they they they kept them they they wanted to be sand yeah I don't know I don't know man oh they said okay I see yeah like in their houses or whatever but even that big one you know that massive Granite one over there that's going to yeah that's going to spin that's got a that's got a round bottom yeah it's heavy oh yeah yeah it's well my table's kind of messed up yeah yeah yeah yeah but um yeah it's it's crazy like you see it on look at that yeah right huh yeah if you put these on like a flat granite table and oh yeah bet all day all day like look at check out this guy this brush a guy and like so if you're making modern reproductions these are the kinds of things that like people today like if you're making these they wouldn't know that you know like like people wouldn't I don't know there's just too many there's a lot of reasons to think that these are and when you look at them I mean these things have got some age to them man like oh my God yeah right I mean it's different when you like we're holding a thousand year old relics made by people that existed [ __ ] thousands of years ago right yeah it's pretty crazy this one of the coolest things they're like yeah they're like little time machines man yeah totally and they all have a different story you know and and that's the thing like like you um I mean they there's there's a possibility there's I think there's three possibilities for each and every one of these that exists in the world right and and the possibilities of when they were made and and you could say you know just starting in the present day and going back in time you could say okay they were either made in modern times as a as a forgery as a fake um or they were made by the ancient Egyptians or they were made by some precursor civiliz like some Lost Civilization there's actually I mean there's some good Arguments for that like there's some really good like I mean Ben van kirwick does a great job you know kind of pushing that like you know um putting that idea forward um you don't see them after the uh after like 20 2200 BC pretty much like you don't see any of these Heartstone vases after 2200 yeah the intermediate period like after the um right yeah you don't you don't see like that's kind of when Egypt fell into like this this like like despair you know it was like a tough time for him and then they came out like 100 years later but you don't see any after that and there's a question as to whether or not you see any of them after 2650 BC which is when doer or Zer nobody really knows how to pronounce the name but but uh the step pyramid guy the guy that buried himself underneath the step pyramid with like 40,000 of these things um you don't there's a question as to whether or not we really if they make any of them after that point in time you know um well yeah like the civilization that was there during that time it's they were doing very crude stuff like they were creating those hieroglyphs on the side of those boxes and um they were making other vases that were very crude right very rough out of different M like very softer stone that were nowhere near comparable to these but it looks like they could have been maybe trying to copy them or duplicate them or something like that yeah yeah yeah dude it's insane it's a huge question isn't there a video on YouTube of I think it was on your Twitter of a guy who tried to recreate one of these things Yeah by hand yeah yeah yeah yeah what's that one called uh I think it's scientists against myth myth scien against myth okay which you know they're bias already to begin with right I mean they're calling this a myth you know anything that's outside of the the established story is a myth for these guys but but and what happened in their in their video they spent two hour this is it y yeah there you go yeah they spent over two years two years and two months I think it was creating an artifact so they made a couple uh out of soft material that's one of the soft materials I think that's brasia and they um and so that's again one that's very easy to work with um that tool by the way there's no record of it I mean they're just assuming that the ancient Egyptians were using like a a stick with a copper tip on it and sand abrasives and water to hollow out to core the inside of it to create the core okay yeah we don't have that that tool doesn't exist within the record they're just assuming that it exists from from my understanding and again I'm not like egyptologist guy I just kind of do this for fun just hobby but but um but yeah they they they made a couple of ones that were just really I mean look I got to give them credit for trying right but but I mean what they made was so they're starting with this giant chunk of granite uh this uh yeah it wasn't even their they made I think they made three and their first two were not Granite their first two were soft Stones oh really okay yeah and then they came back it was like brasia and I think marble and marble people don't realize it's very soft it's like the same as like Alabaster brush it's a three on the MOs it's like easy easy to work with so statue of David you know super easy to CH chisel that away um but but the um but then they came back cuz everybody was complaining that that they um you know they're using these soft Stones so they came back and they made one out of diorite oh really so yeah diorites like Granite you know it's a similar similar uh uh density and it took them uh or hardness and it took them over 2 years to create a um and this is the one I think that doesn't look like diorite though does it I don't know if that's the one or not to be honest with you but but um I mean all these Stones kind of blend they can all look yeah that's the one yeah that's the one um not precise at all after after 2 years um and and so you know they had they had a lot of problems with it like it broke once they had had to re redo it it it's um um and it's not precise it's right certainly not within one 1,000th of an inch right right I think they're talking about closer to like a a a a millimeter maybe of deviation um on roundness and they're you know they're turning it so it should be round but oh yeah see I mean it's not yeah it's not even close I mean these are like 100 look at this dude yeah yeah how do you do that right right using a pounding Stone the the biggest thing the biggest thing with this thing that they made is that uh they they CED out the middle right they drilled out the middle but they didn't ever go in and bore the and hollowed the walls oh so they just did like one straight tube drill down exactly exactly and after two years they couldn't they they couldn't like go in and Hollow it's pretty decent I mean I mean they dressed up that was like they wrote on it with pen and like oh really yeah yeah that's not really what it looks like they were also using the wheel which egyptologists say Egyptians never had they didn't have the wheel yeah right so so these I mean the the theory is that with these that it was like chisels and pounding stones that shaped the roundness and and so like right so when these guys are twisting this thing and turning it that's not the explanation for for how these were made it's literally like chisels and pounding stones to form this perfect roundness of you know up to a thousandth of a of a millimeter at you know I mean that's the extreme but you know thousandth of an inch is very common you know a couple thousand of an inch very very common and you just you don't get that with chisels no no no I can't imagine I mean I've never tried but I can't imagine it would be possible I mean especially when you're talking about these I mean this one dude yeah yeah that one's weird what is your wildest guess to what these were used for oh man just pure speculation just pure tinfoil hat I don't know man I mean um I don't know I don't know I I really have no idea I wish I could even you ever had any crazy theories um I mean this episode of the podcast is brought to you by Verso the older I get the more I want to invest in my health because I don't just want to look young I want to feel young recent scientific findings demonstrate that is not only possible to slow down the aging process but it's also possible to reverse it that is why I use cell being by Verso cell being contains scientifically proven ingredients that Target the root causes of aging and that way you can avoid the whack-a-mole process that you get when you use regular supplements it contains 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see like on this guy for example you see two holes you know like on the same so it was it was very important for whatever reason that they had it didn't have to be on opposite sides but that they had two holes on the thing and in in one of the you know so as that a clue as to what it was used for you know I mean I've heard like crazy stuff like uh you know like positive negative charges it was like you know your your like battery or whatever the hell like I I don't you know no idea pure speculation really really nobody nobody has any idea but this one people say that some people say that they're earns right uh yeah but you there's never been like uh um to my understanding there's never been like like body parts or like even human remains yeah yeah like ashes or anything found in these things like that's that's another one thing when when you find them in burials when you find them in tombs there's not like there's not like body parts now I think like the like the the the mainstream explanation is that it's like um uh like uh like like like liquids and you know like perfumes and uh like just different kinds of and if you've seen the lids on these things yeah I mean it's pretty silly but what do they look like you have an image of them on there yeah do yeah yeah I mean they're uh yeah let me see if I can find it I mean so if you can make the if you can make the artifact itself why can't you make a lid to match it you know and so the mainstream explanation is that um the lids were used it's like a uh it's like a clay lid basically that you you use it as like a stopper and the explanation is because it's like you know it'll expand and contract and it'll be able to um um I'm going to have a hard time finding this little it's interesting because it's like the insides aren't as perfect as the outsides right like the opposite of the sarapan box is where the insides are perfect yeah and the outsides are kind of rough and not not perfectly Square I I mean it's still pretty damn close yeah the inside they they often times they left the tool marks on the inside like if I rub my finger on the inside of this top Rim like they literally flattened the the top ceiling of this thing right like how are you going to do that right with the any of these tools yeah I mean the inside of them you've got the tool marks and it's like um you know it's it's it's kind of a question mark as to whether or not the tool marks are horizontal or whether or not they're spiral right I mean you could you sometimes they kind of like cross over and you could make the argument that it's a spiral tool Mark but but then at other times it's like they're they're perfectly flat and horizontal it looks like but but yeah they don't typically they don't polish the inside of the artifact typically they're leaving that part and showing you the tool marks and so you know you look in any of these and and you've got tool marks on the inside and that's why I brought one for you that I think could be a modern reproduction like a modern fake oh really yeah yeah and so that's this guy so feel this compared to all the other ones that you've picked up oh it's way lighter right it's way lighter check the inside too it's like it's polished on the inside the same way that it's polished on the outside oh yeah the inside is just as smooth right right and there's absolutely no damage there's no wear there's no you know you don't get any age on that thing whatsoever but but it was sold as a ancient Egyptian did you did you feel this and inspect it before you bought it no you just look at pictures I bought it and and yeah I just looked at pictures and it and it showed up and I'm like yeah I don't know about this one but I but I kept it no I I the guy gave me the opportunity to return it oh did he really oh but I wanted to use it and it wasn't very expensive um so so I wanted to and it does not spin it do sp it's got a per exactly so so I wanted to be able to use it as an example of something that is different than what you see on the you know the 65 others that it's like you know there's a like people that go and that make these today in China or whatever like they don't know what they're doing you know they didn't they wouldn't know to round the bottom they can't put age on something like this they don't know the leave tool marks at the top in in the in the inside you know they don't know not to polish so so yeah I mean that's I think another good reason to um to think that these things are you know genuine and authentic do you have any visuals that show like some of the measurements or the scans that were done on these things yeah for sure yeah so so which one would you want to oh yeah any of them whatever one you think okay yeah I mean this one this one's pretty great uh this is the gold handle one the plas yeah yeah which is just a it's just a and why is the gold how do they get the gold on there what is that it's a question you know maybe that was added later could be yeah yeah could be I really don't know I mean supposedly they say it's original but you know it's really kind of hard to know but this is the certificate of authenticity that comes with it I mean you get a different one based on and is it real gold yeah really yeah yeah and it's very you know it's thin it's like gold plate basically but um yeah that one will spin perfectly for like a very long period of time this this is a a a receipt from 1975 you know that like describes the thing um and then we go into the CT scan report right and again this was done by a third party they don't know you know anything about like the project or whatever but but it gives you these measurements on the artifact and and and it tells and you can compare the different measurements to try to you know get a sense for like um you know the Symmetry involved in it so so just for example this measurement is of the X and Y axis of the width of the artifact so so it's like the can you punch in on that a little bit yeah for sure so oh wow look at that that's the that's the damn yeah so so the measurement is 128 8457 mm on the Y AIS and on the x-axis it's 128. 476 mm yeah so you're talking two 100s of a millimeter you know which is like less than I think that's less than 1 1000th of an inch I mean you know crazy crazy crazy deviation wow there um the mouth so the mouth opening and the mouth opening is a little bit more difficult a lot of times because um of of like damage for whatever reason like like on the inside of a lot of these things but but yeah I mean you got 52.06 versus 52.1 one2 so you know do the math there I think you're I'm not doing the math there yeah that's that's minuscule it's a lot of math yeah but but very small what is that one right there so so zoom in right there what did that say right there Nom 52.2 6 52.3 nominal so it's not a real measurement um the act the actual measurement is the measure number the nominal is kind of like they create this CAD model of what the perfect um Circle would look like and what like I think it's kind of like what they think if they were to they take a slice of it basically and then they they do a slice all the way around yeah yeah and then they they try to create like a a nominal measurement but that's not it's not a real measurement um and then yeah how to measure the handles um and a lot of times yeah we haven't even talked about like the the Royal cubit got theer geometry baked into these bad boys yeah yeah totally yeah but but on this one on the handle measurement a lot of on a lot of these things um the handle measurement is actually um a circumference measurement so so so the distance there is meaningless in terms of Royal cubits but when you multiply it by pi and you get the uh the circumference of the handles which would have on almost all of these been the widest part of the original block that they were using right you get a number that is like a a a a Royal finger you know which is a subunit of a royal Cubit which we can talk about in a little while but but on most of the other measurements it's all it's all um diameter but on the on the handles it's usually what I'm finding is it usually shows up in terms of um of uh circumference so that's that one you know a lot of oh and you know I should uh show you the um I had them and they measure the insides I had to measure the inside of the holes just to see if there was anything there you know in terms of the royal Cubit measurements theyes yeah so that would have been the seventh you know but but I've think I've identified like six on on these things um so like there's two questions like was this purposeful Precision or was this just because it was so damn easy for them it didn't matter right right yeah I mean when you look at the precision as it relates to um the measurements like the Royal cubits then it's pretty obvious that they intended to do that on a lot of these things like on a lot of these things it's like you know on this round one for example like it's like it's four uh Royal fingers tall or digits we'll call it maybe a digit tall they people call it either either one so it's four fingers tall four fingers tall six fingers wide so I mean 6.0 to like just a couple of thousands of an inch away from Isaac Newton 18.7 mm Royal finger like the like the measurement that he defined and and like he he realized that the Great Pyramid the step pyramid the bent pyramid um and uh great bent step and Red Pyramid were all used this um this this measurement of a royal Cubit which was 523 um 5 52.36 cm wow so 5236 Mim was a royal Cubit for all of those pyramids and and he found like the king's chamber and the Great Pyramid is 10x 20 cubits like exactly um and and a subunit of that we we know is is the finger and so there's 28 fingers in in every one of those so every finger is 18.7 MM and when you measure a lot of these things you find that measurement in the dimensions of the artifact on a lot of these things now I haven't like I've only scanned you know 12 I think so far something like that so I got more work to do but but I have found that Royal finger measurement in a lot of them not every one of them but a lot of them and it's consistent cuz it's in like you know four out of the six measurements or you know and it's way more than coincidental that you'd be finding like perfect you know 0 Z Royal fingers like you know in in these things so so it's pretty clear that that at least that at least on some of these things that they were using that system of measurement to create it and it's very clear that that that Dimension and that accuracy of manufacturer is like it's one thing to make a circle right and it's one thing to be able to like say okay I got a circle that's you know one 1,000th of an inch of of perfect roundness but it's another to have a dimension that's perfectly round or perfectly you know precise and that's one thing that hasn't been really explored on these artifacts in any meaningful Way by anybody really yet and so it's one of the things that um by measuring these things I'm going to be able to hopefully shed some more light on that like is it just random is it just coincidence and I just happen to have found these things in the first handful that I've measured and I'm never going to find it again but you don't see like inches you don't see centimeters you know you don't see like I'm getting zero hits on you know just random systems of measurement you know like random metrological systems you don't see you always see it on that one specific um Isaac Newton's you know 18.7 that the pyramids were built off of well those those measurements are the measurements that they used back then though right those civilizations would use those measurements to do stuff I mean even going to like the Romans and stuff like that they used the the Royal Cubit the the finger all those different terms for whatever the hand um to to build their structures so it did change you know like the all those ancient pyramids like it kind of argues that maybe all those pyramids are a lot older you know and maybe these artifacts are a lot older if it's the same system that you find in the pyramids that you find in these ancient artifacts you know maybe maybe they were either they were all built roughly within the same you know couple of hundred years or potentially it was like a a measurement system in use for some Lost Civilization you know so so maybe whoever you know it could be a very very ancient metrological system or it could just be what the ancient Egyptians used you know in the in the in the predynastic and early dynastic time period the pyramids measured the same way right exactly yeah yeah but but but like then after a while the Pharaoh started to change up the system right so so it like the Cubit changed based on the length of the pharaoh's elbow to their to their middle finger they would they would like they would make the Cubit based on how their body was you know how long their their arm was and so so everything got kind of mixed up so that could be part of the reason why you only see it in in some and you don't see it in others because I don't know what the freaking you know third Dynasty Pharaoh's elbow length was yeah right you know you know so so yeah there's a lot of unknowns but um but yeah this is kind of interesting this is the surface deviation report of this specific artifact with the gold handles on it and okay you can pretty clearly see that the the deviation is in uh this is the scale of the deviation so you know it goes and this is in millimeters so the surface deviation is not as precise as like the the the dimensions or the roundness necessarily uh but but what you see is and some of this could be due to surface residue you know that I just didn't like that just wasn't cleaned off I you know because these are very very when you say surface deviation what does that mean so it's like it's like this part of the object right here that you see in uh bright orange is.3 mm above the average ah got it yeah okay so the blue is is going like down in elevation and the Orange is up in elevation yeah yeah you can kind of think of like the dark blue as just below sea level the light blue as sea level the green as land and like yellow and red as like you know volcano Islands yeah like yeah yeah so so but it is interesting because you see that clearly you know you see this this yellow line going across the middle of it um pretty I I mean I think that says it was turned you know that that you've got this whole patch of yellow that goes across the middle of it that indicates that a lathe was used I think and this is not the best example I got better examples but that a lathe was used to manufacture this thing and then you got this this this blue line you know right there that goes all the way around it that also indicates you know this thing was was turned on a lathe um but this and again how does that explain the handles yeah so so what they would have done is left the material between the handles and then come back and got that later and you can kind of see maybe they did chisel that on this specific artifact because you know some of these blue like that you know that area this area between the handles maybe that was chiseled potentially but but what they would have done let me see if I can find it here I'm going to probably uh let's see no not there what they would have done gosh [Music] is they would have uh they would have well I'll just maybe they use some kind of like dark magic to make these things soft and they could just mold them however they wanted it's possible you know I mean so but there is really good evidence for lathe use on most of these things like on a lot of these things right so let me see the thin wall Granite for example so so this one is that this is the certificate for the thin one that we looked at where you can Shine the Light through it um this is the surface deviation report for that who look at that dude right that's pretty telling yeah pretty pretty telling there I mean that was turned I mean clearly can you punch in a little bit more yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure wow dude yeah whoever did this it's like ribbed yeah yeah exactly but you can't see that with you can't see it to the the naked eye with your naked eye it looks completely flat looks completely like yeah so whoever made this this isn't like you know modernday machine that that would have made this with like lasers because you would never get this this you know you wouldn't get that well is that how they do it today with with when they cut Granite they use what do they use to cut like precise Granite today uh they use it's like a um it's it's they they've got a handful of different methods but it's like very very sturdy on rods like metal rods and they're like turning it and they're like they're like just like shaving It Off like perfect I mean it's computer guided 5axis CNC Mills is my understanding and it's like they're shaving it off like to perfect roundness it's not like you'd be turning it and then changing the tool and and going to a higher level and then turning it again like is kind of what we see here so not a lathe this this is a lathe no I mean I mean today oh um it wouldn't be a traditional like what we think of as a lathe uh yeah it it would be yeah it would be yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah just a very sophisticated today good Lord now what is that red that's it's popping out more or yeah so the red a lot of people you know talk about the handles and talk about how the handles are not as precise as the rest of the object and and that this shows that that's the case because of the redness um what you have to understand about the handles is that on every artifact they're they're offset like they're not directly across from each other and so people like like debunker people you know they they're all like see that it was handmade you know it's like clearly handmade but but in reality um it's on every single artifact and it's almost always like when you see the the side that the handles are closer together there's some there's some uh portion of it that's like more visually attractive like like this one for example you know you got this like wide open piece on the granite that's the side that the handles are closer to so in my mind they they intentionally had the handles pushed forward to the side where it's more visually attractive and I think this is a good example of that there's a bunch of examples of that but I think they did it on purpose like I think they uh I think the handles were pretty clearly shifted together on one side on purpose on all of these because it's consistent you don't find any where the handles are directly across from each other but what that does the the the the software the program is is assuming that the handles are supposed to be directly opposite of each other and so when they're not you get these red lines on the on the thing you know got it yeah yeah yeah I can see how it's almost like pushed forward right right and and does that speak to the function you know whatever the function was you know I I don't know it's like again that's like pure speculation land that you know just just I don't I don't know that we know MH so that so that's kind of interesting and then you've got the thickness report which is which is pretty cool so uh you can you can tell and uh you you can tell that that this is where they've really thinned out the the wall on the on the thin wall vase um and you know you can see kind of the thickness and and it so the green is the thickest the green is the thickest yeah and it's always thickest at the bottom and the I'm guessing the purple is the thinnest yeah okay yeah yeah that's that band there that's super thin and you know the unfortunately the uh the company EMS wasn't able to stack these measurements at the exact same height um on both sides so we can't really like like match up the the the bottom versus the bottom and say you know these are at the exact same height they're just kind of arbitrarily picking points so so it's not as if you can compare 4574 to you know 4.43 435 but what we did find and I've got tools um like wall thickness gauge is that when you when you do that the wall thickness is one of those measurements that's always extraordinarily accurate especially on the Precision made ones like the wall thickness on one side at one horizontal axis is going to be almost exactly as thick as the wall as the wall on the other side of the artifact yeah yeah so so however they were doing it however they were hollowing out the interior it's not like they had like a fork you know like a like a like a stick with a stone on the end of it I mean it was much more sophisticated of a process than that right yeah absolutely yeah so pretty interesting I mean that's that and then uh God it's so fascinating man yeah yeah so how many of these do you think exist in the world [ __ ] man I that's a good question I mean you're going to hear people say anywhere between like you know at a low you might hear 5,000 at a high you might hear 500,000 you know so I don't you have how many total 65 you have 65 yeah something like that who owns the most of them uh do you mean like who is there one person or organization that that has the most of these like the largest private collection in the world um so FES barcat is a is an Israeli art dealer and he has the largest private collection of ancient Antiquities in the world the largest private collection of stone um Egyptian vessels specifically I don't know I mean I've had I've had people say that that I've got to have one of the biggest you know collections in the world at this point but um you know yeah I imagine you do yeah but but like I mean they go up they go up for auction so like the reason there's there's none available right now is no collector has died recently basically right so so like family like some collector will die pass on his estate to his kids or whatever and then they they go to an auction house and they put them up for auction so you might see like six come out at a time you know or 10 come out at a time on like Christies soues or whatever it might be but but um but again yeah you don't see that you don't see that um you know often what was the name of the uh the Israeli company that has them barcat Barat I found out the name of that Israeli guy by the way we were talking about last night okay he his name was Moshi Diane oh sure yeah yeah I got a couple artifacts from his collection really yeah yeah yeah so he was like literally like a plunderer the guy like literally just went in there and raided these sites in Egypt and stole all of these artifacts he was obsessed with it and this was the he got he had he got an eye patch he got he looks like a Raider there's a story he was like looking through binoculars like during one of the wars and he got shot the binoculars got shot with a sniper and it like shredded his eye okay um but he was a legendary um military General right in the uh what does it say he was uh Israeli military leader and he eventually became a politician and he was a guy who like Led Led Israel through the Six Day War yeah we should talk about that war for a second but but yeah I actually only have one from Moshi Diane and it's very small so I thought I had a couple of them but but I remember the name um really but but yeah so it came from it came through FES barcat who is who's the Israeli art dealer and in 1968 in the60s uh FES had a uh his main office in Israel and so you know when you talk about a war the The Six Day War 1967 where um is Israel occupied Egypt and supposedly stole some artifacts from Egypt Moshi Diane and whoever else I mean I mentioned General Uzi narcis um he was also a general in the Israeli Army um I don't think there's anything that's like speculates that like he stole stuff but but I do have a couple of these things with his name on it you know so so I mean if there's a way to prove that these were stolen from uh from eypt I'm happy to give them back like I'm I'm H because now we've got the scans and now that it's like okay you've got some Precision on these things and these things actually do have you know incredible uh incredible Providence and you can prove that these are Museum pieces that have been stolen and and we can say look these are precise down to whatever I I'll ship them back man no problem if anybody you know if anybody yeah absolutely I just want to know the truth you know well who' you pay I mean you you should at least get your money back yeah that would be nice yeah but uh but yeah I mean like again I should mention that that I'm doing this to to try to find out some truth about our history like I'm not like I'm not obsessed with these I don't they're just you're not just hoarding these away in a closet you're making these public and like trying to explore what the hell was going on back then right exactly yeah yeah I mean they're basically meaningless but they teach us you know I mean they're rocks but but they could teach us a lot SP a small fortune on some rocks D yeah yeah but uh but I think they ought to increase you know in value as as people start to understand them I think it'll be a you know pretty good investment but um but yeah I mean they can teach us I think a lot about our true history potentially and if they don't you know if they can't if it's just we can just handwave this all away as you know explainable or fake that's fine too you know I'm totally fine if if the Precision ones turn out to be modern-day reproductions you know it would be good to know that it would be good to know that there's like some sophisticated criminals out there that are running these you know these uh these art dealerships and and websites and selling fakes it would have to be convincing it would have to be convincing if people are going to claim that like I can't just accept that I have to have a reasonable explanation for how and like what you pointed to earlier was that there's not a ton of these being made and sold for a lot of money like and these guys are very happy to refund you your money and you can return the vase to them if you don't want it right like it's not there it's not obvious that these things are being reproduced right no definitely not yeah what is uh you you said Flint Dibble had a theory on these things what is what what did people like him or like archaeologists say about this stuff handmade said they were hand just handmade yeah yeah I mean so so AR he yeah I put I put out a couple of videos on my ex Channel my ex channel is is you know it's small but but I put out a video it got like 200,000 views because people are interested in this topic you know I mean it's just like repost repost repost and somebody said Flint Dibble what do you think and so he came in and I actually said first before he before I I didn't even think he would come on and say anything but but um I'm like Flint I'll save you the suspense Flint is gonna Flint's gonna say they're they're they're fake they're they're because they're just too precise to be made with the tools in the archaeological record Flint came on and he's like um you know he he's basically he basically said this uh where is it thin wall thin wall ARA he's like oh handmade handmade that was his that was his thing um and he looked at it but but Flint I mean loved the guy and he did a really good job on the Joe Rogan episode I don't want to love the guy but he really did do a great J that was my first intruction to him and he did a he he did a really good job on that um so I am interested in his opinion but he's not an expert I mean on Ancient Egypt or on these artifacts I don't think he's ever even seen or or held one of these things you know I wish they would have spent more time talking about Egypt on that podcast because that podcast was super informative me too yeah yeah agreed but he looked at the there's there's tool marks at the top of this one um from either it's either a it's either marks that indicate like a level of of um of liquid or whatever would have been stored in these things um it's like it's like some horizontal um indentations at the top of this or whatever tool was making this when it was spinning slipped and created some some um some some grooves in the top of it I don't know which one but Flint's whole thing was he just he saw the the tool the the marks on this and he's like oh handmade but when you look at this I mean there's no there's no way that he saw the marks on the inside of this right here yeah yeah yeah but but I mean clearly the the the surface deviation report has proven that that was turned on a lathe based on those B yeah yeah he hasn't seen all the evidence right right yeah yeah I would love to get his reaction to to all that stuff all those reports and to actually hold this in your hand and see the light shining through it for sure but archaeologists aren't machinists they're not Engineers you know exactly that's the problem with this the interdisciplinary aspect of it right right yeah but obviously a very intelligent Guy and um you know doing a good job with whatever he's doing and I guess that's the problem with anything right like people specialize in one thing and don't collaborate enough yeah exactly yeah people get too like just tied to their perspective their story their side you know and just don't stay open-minded to okay what are the possibilities you know like like yeah so I mean so yeah that that the the Royal finger thing I mean before we move on to the finger thing maybe just show this surface deviation report this is again that that other one that's like a super you know super popular super well-known artifact at this point um that's this one right here that's this one yeah yeah and again you've got pretty clear signs that it was turned based on the bottom you know you can oh yeah look at that yeah you can see that Rings exactly yeah it's got rings on the bottom the red handle thing again is because the handles are offset from each other and the the data is is assuming that the handles are are exactly a apart we'll get to that in a second but but the interesting thing on this one for me is the space between the handles and again that would have been if this was turned which it clearly was um even though archaeologists don't don't acknowledge that um clearly this one was turned and so you know and again we can see that from the bottom but then they would have come in with another tool afterwards and removed the material that's between the handles and so that's why we see that it's it's it's a higher you can't turn it between the two handles exactly exactly yeah yeah you'd have to come in with another tool wow dude right right and it's not like they just chiseled the area between the handles on this one like cuz you would see little chisel marks you know no it's very it's very consistent exactly yeah so it's almost like a whole diff like who knows what tool that was but whatever it was is not in the archaeological record God wouldn't you love to take a time machine back to when they were making these things and see what the [ __ ] was going on hell yeah hell yeah absolutely and like when would the time machine even take you to is the right yeah you'd have to know right you'd have to have like a little barometer inside your time machine to see like where the [ __ ] am I when I go back nobody's going to believe me right right yeah and then the wall thickness you know you can kind of see uh the wall thickness on this thing is just really perfect I mean it's like damn dude yeah it's crazy yeah I mean it looks like the looks like Jupiter like the planet Jupiter yeah yeah totally my bad this damn iPad but but then yeah so then what they do is they cut like uh slices of the thing and they they rotate the slices around and they they uh they they tell you like on the inside of the wall like where the where the variance is yeah and then they extend the variant so this is not like real we're not actually seeing like you know the inside of this red part right here is not actually coming off of the inside that much you wouldn't even be able to see how much it's coming off but they extend it so that it's visible to the human eye right um but there you can see on the inside you know where the tool marks actually happened um um compared to whatever slice that they turned around uh that there is going to be some like indentations on the tool Mark so those blue things that are coming in like on whatever round turn that they did with whatever tool was hollowing out the inside it got a little bit deeper than the rest of the you know the rest of the tool marks and then on the red they they left a little bit on that wall um for whatever reason on this one they it's it's it's actually kind of likely that they that they left that material there in order to balance it because again this is like that round bottom one that sits perfectly on its bottom they left material this is according to uh Adam D um Chris Don son who analyzed the report on this one I haven't actually verified this yet but but the the the the the handles were slid closer together on one side of the artifact and on the other side of the artifact they left wall material in the inside of the wall so they they made it heavier on this side to offset the weight that was on this side whoa yeah yeah to balance it yeah which you know you don't you don't do that because the Bottom's not flat right exactly so and it needs to sit flat exactly wow dude what the [ __ ] right yeah exactly yeah it's crazy there's a lot of there's a lot of mysteries with these things man man the little one I just when I see this little one did you scan any of these little ones no I haven't scanned little ones yet I'm thinking they use these ones for drugs yeah yeah could be I would be fascinated to see how precise these tiny ones are dude yep yep yeah totally yeah and I'm going to get them scann like I think they uh they the there's a couple of Basalt ones you know so this tiny Basalt guy is like super round you know I mean it's like clearly not done with a chisel right like you can't get this level around this with a chisel so yeah will scan those it's just it's the same cost to scan the little ones as the big ones so and this one is like the oddest shape out of all of them like this one looks like it' be a good necklace pendant right right right or like one of those flasks you could just hang it from your neck and like yeah carry your purple with you keep keep your keep your little whatever yeah and that wall was not bored out on it wasn't uh hollowed out on the wall yeah you can see it doesn't it doesn't actually follow the hole right circumference of that thing yeah so very very small hole in that one it was just cord but um yeah man uh I mean the uh the Royal Cubit conversation is kind of interesting if I can find that document here if you want to go there when when you say the Royal cubic conversation you're meaning how all these things are a specific amount of uh what do you mean specifically so it's uh basically um they um yeah so so basically it it appears that on a number of these artifacts that I've scanned and and measured and found the dimensions of and divided by a royal finger which is 18.7 MM according to Isaac Newton okay so if you find the dimension of like the length and you divide by 18.7 a lot of times you're getting whole numbers and a lot of times you're getting like perfect fractions of numbers and so people are going to say like it's just random it's just coincidence but if we can show through scanning enough of these and through analyzing enough of that data that it's just mathematically impossible to have that much coincidence happened and that that yes they were in fact using this measurement system then you can prove that these things were accurate on a whole different scale than just roundness you can prove that they're accurate to like on a dimensional scale as well so like a three-dimensional scale yeah yeah so it's not just like you know this thing is perfectly round to within uh you know 100th of a millimeter or whatever you can say that this that they that they were able to create an object with a mouth opening that was exactly what they wanted it to be to Within you know like a thousandth of an inch or whatever which is a whole new like mystery with these things because how could they measure that you know like how could they verify how right exactly did they have computers right like what tools were they using to verify that like something microscopic in a lot of cases that you can't even see with your own eyes and they're achieving that level of precision on these things so it's a that's a that's a mystery what was that what was the name of that do you know what I'm talking about there was a there was a computer that was found in a shipwreck like some sort of like ancient computer an there you go there you go can you pull that thing up when was that from uh it was from uh the I think it was Greek it was uh it was like a was it from like 100 I think it was like a th000 BC or something a thousand BC something like wow that old yeah it's really you find that Steve no I'm probably way off there you go oh there you go the antia mechanism when was this from ancient Greek hand-powered aary model of the it was a model of the solar system system described as the oldest known analog computer used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance it would also be used to track the four-year cycle of athletic games similar to the Olympiad and the cycle of ancient Olympic Games so this thing modeled the solar system yeah jesz okay when does it come from 2 Century BC wait wait wait no that's that's just an astronomer what is the so what is [Music] uh the motion was studied in the 2 Century BC but when did they claim that this thing came from instruments believed to have been designed and constructed by the helenistic scientists uh 87 BC whoa 87 BC or between 150 and 100 or 2 205 BC so okay so between 87 and 205 BC those damn Greeks bro yeah man yeah it's got a bunch of gears and I want to get an expert in here that that that knows more about that because had gears it was like a giant watch yeah go back up to it yeah there's a they did CT scans of it and you can see all the gears ins yeah but that I mean look I mean that's as incredible as that is that's at most as early as 200 BC right these things are 2500 at the latest right right right yeah so yeah 26 kind of like 2650 is when uh they were buried at the step pyramid and you know you find them in Graves that's the other thing like uh there there's supposedly a u an image in in uh in Cairo of a tomb a Nubian tomb that was found that's like 12,000 years old 10,000 BC that has hard stone that had a hardstone vase in it and this is according to you know Ben van kirwick but apparently like the snake Bros were there and they they saw it too I asked them for I haven't got a picture of it yet but but Ben had one in one of his videos that has like um a burial a grave from like 10,000 BC that has an ancient Hearthstone vase if that's the case like if that's real these things could be as old as you know life itself I mean we have no idea how old these could be is this is this the tomb archeological site along the Nile reveals Nubian civilization that flourished in ancient Sudan that's the civilization that's the civilization uh but it wasn't Sudan right BC maybe who knows that was just a quick search yeah I don't know if it was Sudan or not but uh but yeah I mean that would be really compelling information that would be really compelling that these things could be absolutely you know very very ancient like Lost Civilization ancient you know like I mean somebody built gockley tee right like they were Master ston workers obviously and and caran teepe and you know these these sites that have been dated to 11,600 BC at a minimum and so you know they're using they're Master Stone workers they're like carving mountains off you know making them perfectly flat like inserting 20 ton Stone pillars so people were working with stone in a sophisticated way and we think we know who it was like we we you know we think like archaeologist oh yeah sure that was these people and they were just you know I love how Ben always says like they were trying to get away from the uh the the Wife and Kids on a on a weekend and just like they were going to hang out hang out with the boys yeah yeah but but I mean I think that's a possibility you know um I don't think that's completely crazy yeah but I mean still though gockley teppy as incredible as it is there's no Precision there yeah that's fair yeah yeah yeah you know I mean it's megalithic for sure right um and it's astonishing considering the date the carbon dating yeah but um but this so there's there's no way to carbon date these right there's there there's no organic material you can't date stone you know but what you can do potentially is do some studies to try to figure out what tools were used to hollow out the inside because you can you can like and I got to get connected with the right people to to send these off to get that study done but but the the the inside the tool marks like you can potentially find evidence for whatever was used to hollow them out you know so so that could be something that eventually you can test but again if it's you know if it's a um if it's another stone that was used or copper or whatever you can't date that necessarily you know so but there might be something that you can learn from it what's the most compelling theory that you've heard about these things um you know I I don't know man I mean nobody you've talked to is like like come to you and be like Matt I have an idea I know what these things were for like for their function yeah no I mean nobody nobody knows nobody knows nobody knows no I mean you know the most I mean the most prevalent theory is just that they were just used for like you know decorative purposes like you know that there was no function so no I mean the function it's just you're just getting into pure speculation at that point and I think like a lot of people are just kind of trying to avoid that until you know they know more about the until they know more you know right so but yeah this uh this you want to talk a little bit about this uh uh the measurements on these things yeah yeah yeah all right cool so so this guy at the top this is Adam Young's artifact right so um if you look at this and and uh the the unsign unsign doio did a report on this that identified some sacred geometry in it um you know I'm going to stay away from that because I didn't completely understand the report to be you know totally honest with you but but what we do find in here if you just look at the measurements and unfortunately so this scan doesn't have the most accurate like it's down to a tenth of a millimeter on this scan you can see you know when you when you look at like the the uh the height for example which is you know on here it's that uh six six and four so it's 6.41 two Royal fingers but but if you back all the way up if you look at the millimeters on the height it's 119.99 from that when you divide by 18.7 is you get 6.41 two Royal fingers in height and so you look at that and it's like okay well that's a meaningless number you know and and and nobody's really um found anything uh you know with that number but but what 64 represents is the grid of life in sacred geometry and so I think that when unsign doio found the Flower of Life as it relates to this artifact with all those circles that he was doing that what he had actually found was the grid of life and and that that whoever made this thing was embedding the 6.4 as a sign that hey this is this is the grid of life and and the grid of life is basically the Flower of Life except it's like a three-dimensional version of it so it uses tetrahedrons instead of circles um which this is a threedimensional object so that makes sense so so and and it's accurate to 6.4 to Within 9 1000 of an inch so it's similar similar accuracy in the dimensions so in the height Dimension if this is if this is really what they were going for 6.4 I think it was it's similar it's it's it's equal to like the accuracy of the circles that we find in it and and all anybody's been talking about is the accuracy of the circles for the longest time but I do think the dimensions are actually something that we really need to look at too the the the the width the second row down there is 84.3 mm and if you divide that by the 18.7 you get 4.5 Royal fingers to within 6 1000 the neck is uh Fe squared Royal fingers 2.68 is is Fe squared Royal fingers so you've got to take Fe and then or five and then you got to square it and you get two 1,000 of an inch deviation um I don't know what 1.2 is to be honest with you maybe somebody on the show can leave in the comments you know what I'm sure somebody will know let us let us know right right the uh the mouth opening on on this one is very precise to 3 1,000 of an inch of 2.0 Royal fingers so so that one is is highly highly accurate and then the lip is pi Royal fingers so the lip is like the the the outside of the circle on the top um 3.14 to within 5 1000 of an inch you know so so so I don't know man I mean that one uh looks pretty compelling although the the measurements and the dimensions of it but that one seems like it's lining up to this subunit of the royal Cubit to within a high degree of accuracy cuz it's like all of these measurements um but but then you know you don't find um this is really the only one where I'm finding these sacred geometry numbers like I'm not finding like Pi row of fingers in the other ones that I've scanned so far so I'm just finding like straight up either whole or fractions of row of fingers wow dude yeah yeah it's pretty crazy so so this second one which is the spinner here this guy uh when you look at it um again the height is four uh Royal fingers to within um 7 1000 of an inch the width is six to within 1 1000 of an inch the mouth opening is two and 2 six I think they're using sixs uh as opposed to thirds but you could say thirds you know and and you're you're less than 5 1000 of an inch and the lip is 3 and 1/2 to within 41,000 of an inch so so less than one 1000th of an you know 40% of of 1 1000 so very very accurate on that and and it kind of just keeps you know we don't have to go through every one of these but but you see the same thing on the thin wall artifact you know you see very tight um very tight tolerances and then I guess I just kind of probably close with this one which is freaking huge and heavy holy moly yeah that's a big oh this is the biggest one out here uh yeah it probably is yeah yeah that thing's huge good Lord look at that people right how big did they get feels like a 45 lb bar bell or plate that think's legit um is this as big as they get or did I mean in terms of the hard Stone yeah they don't get a lot bigger in terms of the hard Stone Alabaster the the the stuff that's like the imitation of this stuff they can get much bigger than that you can feel the ribbing on the inside of it where they use tools to carve it out yep yep and that one has good D there's images of that one way in the like 20th century like really yeah yeah yeah there's that one's um I think I I feel I mean I feel really good about all these I'm not going to like buy them if I didn't feel good about them obviously but I feel really good about that one and that one is measuring out in whole royal fingers but it's not as precise as some of these smaller ones right but but when you look at the height it's 7.02 Royal finger to within 1 100th of an inch you know or just less than two 100s of an inch the width is 13 royal fingers to within you know it's a similar type of a accuracy there the neck um I I might be able to get rid of that neck one just cuz I had to go to U circumference there and usually you're not seeing circumference on the neck but even the 8.925 is pretty close to to nine the mouth is uh 4.99 Royal fing you know so that's you're talking 8 8 1000 of an inch and the lip is 9.95 um so you know and the handles again handles are almost always in circumference as opposed to diameter uh that's you know five 5,000 of an inch and so you're talking astonishing dude it's incredible I mean and it's all whole royal fingers on the biggest one which makes sense because they don't need to go to fractions on the biggest one right right yeah right yeah so that's that one so that's so wild dude pretty crazy man it really is and it's really cool that you've been able to connect with all these people like Ben Ben kirwick and you know the snake Bros and all these guys who do all these trips out there and are fascinated by this stuff and talk about this stuff to get them on your podcast and like let them like look at this stuff yeah yeah yeah it's super cool yeah yeah Ben was my first guest on the podcast was he really yeah yeah yeah yeah that's amazing he's a great dude I mean all those guys are great people with snake Bros was that his first time seeing these things in real life and holding them it yeah it was yeah he was AIDS yeah pretty much yeah pretty much pretty much yeah I mean it's hard not to like it's one thing to see him like behind a glass or whatever but when you like when you see these things like like you you get a sense that these are freaking old like you know like it's it's different when you go to a museum are you allowed to touch them no no no I mean you know sometimes they might bring them out if you like request it special with like gloves and you know yeah we were sitting at dinner last night in a restaurant and you literally poured your iced tea into one of them to see yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah how much water it would hold yeah yeah yeah to show that's insane you're you're a mad man yeah yeah yeah and this one that that was this guy and it's the spinner and it still spins with the water in and and it actually this one actually when you measure the volume of the inside of this one it's exactly uh an ancient system of of Egyptian uh measurement it's a heckit it's like oh volume measurement yeah yeah really yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's like 116th of a it which happens to also unfortunately be 300 CC's um so that's a modern you know measurement so the volume of all of these things could have sacred geometrical numbers it could have just could have just numbers that were um important for you know whatever either trade or you had to know how much you were paying you know to like fill your your thing up with whatever liquid or or you know um perfume or whatever it was that you were buying you know potentially like I don't I don't freaking know but you know but uh I mean those are some possibilities that the that the volume actually did matter that's interesting yeah I'd be I'd be interested to see like how the volume of all these different vases compare to each other mhm that might be that might be a rabbit hole you could find something out you could maybe dig deeper into what these things were for right these These are kind of cool because um what they uh when you set these in water and and they don't have anything in them they float yeah yeah so like like the water they'll sit in the I don't know if you have like a bucket that we could fill like with water or whatever for demonstration but like these don't these don't sink and so like the water it'll it'll sit all the way up to the water to this point right to the line right to the line and just Balan perfectly like oh [ __ ] yeah so was that intentional that's weird right right yeah I hate Goosebumps talking about is there any other are there any other artifacts that are as wild as this that are out there I mean if there is somebody's got to tell me about it you're not aware of any though no no no I mean because this is like some of the oldest stuff that people can get their hands on right I mean like you can't collect stuff because I mean this is like like times that that this stuff wasn't like we have no idea the tools we don't know how this stuff was supposedly made like this is like this like predates writing in a lot of cases you know I mean you're talking about like writing like you know whatever 3300 BC a lot of these like Basalt was being made in like 4500 BC you know according to uh the mainstream explanation for for even writing that this predates that you know so you can't collect stuff that's older than this it just it doesn't exist out there you know maybe like arrowheads that we don't know how old they are or like beads that we don't know how old they are whatever but there's no like classification of artifact that exists like this it's it's it's like the coolest thing ever I got a question yeah yeah yeah so um talking about the metrics you know like uh keeping everything like measuring finger Royal fingers right yeah um the those handles those little those uh shoulder pieces the the lugs yeah they all have holes in them have you have you all have you ever measured them to see if those holes are the same size or if there's only like a handful of drill bits that they used or are they just random sizes they seem to be all different sizes yeah yeah so weird yeah yeah they seem to be different sizes and it seems like they drilled into one side and then they drilled into the other side and they met in the middle so yeah so so it wasn't as if it was like one it's not like one yeah yeah it's not like one straight line that one I think is like clogged it has like some on one of them there was there was one that looked like it dipped inwards like it wasn't even yeah you're right it wasn't a straight line yeah huh yeah and you can see that in the scan better because you get the inside walls you know when you when you look at the CT scan but but yeah it's like it's like two straight lines that connect in the middle of the loales as opposed to one thing through which makes sense because they're rounded off and if you just you know you you would be like you you could you could potentially run into the inside wall if you didn't take a slight angle right yeah how do you have time to run your business dude um doing all this crazy [ __ ] I stopped doing everything else like yeah I have like no for people that are listening you are the you run Bell's Outlet your last name is Bell not Bell's outlet but Bell's department stores and there's no more Outlet right right um which is you if you're a Floridian you everybody knows Bells that's funny cuz when Ben came out here you h of bills mate this this this this bloke named Bill I'm like Bells like I'm like I wonder if it's related to bells and I looked it up I was like God damn that's crazy dude yeah yeah you can tell if people are from Florida or not if they pronounce it bells or BS right yeah absolutely yeah the Australian accent gives it away too but right right but uh yeah that's wild yeah man I I I stopped like I mean it was just kind of for 2023 you know I I really got into this um and what I did actually is start to work like 13 hour days I mean that's the only I mean I started a podcast like I started you know this is actually not as timec consuming as you might think it is you know it's just like and and I think that shows by the fact that I've only had 13 scanned and you know I haven't been able to really do the Royal finger measurements like I haven't like devoted as much like the most important thing to me of course family number one number two business making sure that you know that that is you know is is on good standing and and that that's going to be successful and then you know everybody's got to have a hobby so I don't drink you know I don't like I don't you know I I kind of quit playing golf um so there's not a lot that I'm you know I'm kind of like just you quit playing golf yeah man I don't have time for that [ __ ] why did you quit you just don't have time I just don't have time yeah I mean like I you know I used to play like whatever once every month or two and now it's like once every year basically yeah so it's yeah it's just it's just tough to get out and make time but um but yeah so so that's that's how you know I just work a lot work a lot of hours just to make sure that I get everything done yeah we were talking a little bit about last night but you guys uh you guys have still tons of locations all around the country it's pretty insane like I never expected to see bells in like pennsilvania other places like that I thought it was only in Florida yep yep yeah we're 23 States right now so um yeah the uh the off-price division which used to be Bell's Outlet that's now just Bells has really been good it's really been on a nice growth streak we we open like uh well we've got uh 650 stores you know in total um so um yeah it's been great uh it's a it's a great business it's a great group of people I mean it's just an amazing like I love work I love showing up you know I love working with my team and and you know um It's cool cuz it's it's 109 year old family business and 109 yeah man yeah we started in 1915 whoa yeah that's nuts yeah yeah you don't you don't see that really too much anymore so like your great grandparents yeah yeah my great-grandfather and then his son my grandfather and then my dad where was the first location uh Bradenton Bradon no way yeah yeah huh yep yep yeah right right on the Manatee River in Bradenton and we kind of grew like just kind of expanded with Publix you know they would we would just do like a handshake deal you guys want a retailer in your Center you know kind of thing and uh me we went through the Great Depression you know almost you know my my great-grandfather almost lost the he did lose the company to the banks to his lenders and had to work like 12 years to get it back so very humble very very humble beginnings very very you know it's been um it's been uh you know retail is a challenge obviously you know it's not for the for the F of heart you know there's there's a lot to it it's super detailed um you know but but a ton of fun but uh yeah we've been through a lot in the last 110 years you know the Great Recession the uh uh the covid you know were shut down for 6 weeks um you know hurricanes like Galore like the hurricane two years ago was just you know that hit our Heartland you know in Fort Meyers and um Cape Coral so you know we're yeah man yeah yeah tough tough stories there with with people but um you know we've got a we got a good foundation and we we try to you know through through natural disasters make our employees whole and you know do everything that we can to uh to to respond to them quickly in times of need while they're waiting for their checks that never that don't come for months you know from FEMA or whatever you know we're we we've got a good system to to really take care of our people so um yeah it's fun man I enjoy it we uh you know we're not the biggest but but I mean it's pretty freaking big bro 600 plus locations I mean everybody knows Bells it's got to be it's got to be super timec consuming job I mean there's a lot of responsibility it's legit yeah yeah yeah but but it's fun I love it I mean I've been been uh been in the company just celebrated my 20-year anniversary actually a couple of weeks ago oh wow um yeah and been doing the CEO chairman thing for uh four and a half years right right before Co right before Co took you know did that so yeah that's cool how do you guys have such a diverse category or such a diverse collection of items for so cheap I swear it baffles me every time my wife comes home with something she literally came home with these like they look like Birkenstocks this was two days ago yeah she came home with these clear birken stocks that like they see-through but when you walk in the sun they like they like gling gleam purple yeah they're the most insane cool shoes we ever got she's like yeah I got them from Bells that's awesome yeah yeah I mean we got a great wild stuff you can buy you can buy like you can buy like enough clothes to last you for 5 years for 50 bucks inane yeah yeah yeah no doubt yeah yeah we got a great group of buyers man I mean they're out there scouring the market for like deals everywhere they can go for like deal after deal you know and they're they're finding them and and such a variety of Brands too yeah yeah for sure everything bong freaking Quicksilver Levis every single freaking amazing clothing brand you think of yeah Under Armour I mean like all the active Brands you know we got in there so yeah it's the buyers do a really really good job I mean they're they're super talented they're out there I mean they have to you know they're competing with uh with the best retailers in the world you know like big like big big National retailers that can write orders that are a lot bigger than ours you know we got to we got to be in there and just it's just a great company it's just a great like we have great relationships with people you know the vendor community and they support us and we support them so um yeah man it's two separate buying staffs for uh bells and bells Florida which used to be Bell's outlet and Bell's department stores I know that's kind of confusing we we went through a Rebrand but we got Bells now used to be Bell's outlet and and uh Bell's Florida that used to be Bell's department stores and they have two different buying staffs so okay yeah two different it's two totally different companies people think that like people used to think a lot that that Bell's Outlet got the leftovers from Bells but that's never the case like yeah they're out there like they're in market like working with the vendors Direct on the on the on the offprice side on on the Bell side so um yeah man it's good people love deals man oh yeah I imagine half the company has to be like real estate too like like half of it's got to be like like managing real estate and like buying and selling real estate assets and trying to like play that whole game I mean we rent you know so it's like oh you guys always rent yeah we haven't owned we got into yeah it was like a lesson we learned super early on in thean yeah yeah like renting is better now I mean so if we were to own our our our store locations you know we might have a hundred stores right now but but we'd have a lot of value in in the in the land but you know we we we went the direction of hey you got to we want to grow and and we want to you know we don't want to be tied up and we don't want to be a real estate company we want to be retailer so so yeah we we've um yeah we rent our store locations and uh you know we sign whatever 40-year lease terms you know 25 with with extension you know of lease terms so right um yeah the real estate division is um you know it's 20 people or something like that in for the company so they're constantly looking for deals we open we're going to open 30 new stores this year 40 next year 50 the year after so we've um you know we're we're growing we opened uh gosh about almost 200 in the last uh 3 years probably you know the three and a half years so um yeah it's been uh it's been good like people love the like you said people love the merchandise people love the people we got great people working for us that's really you know when you when it's a good experience you're going to come back and uh uh when you find great products so um yeah man it's uh but it's a it's a very complex retail is not for everybody you know it's super complex it's super difficult and uh you know off price and online are definitely disrupting the retail industry for sure you know in a significant way between Amazon and between all these online retailers and boutiques and all that stuff so you know you just got to keep uh keep competing keep doing everything you can and and you know we like providing jobs we like uh you know we we we like the um you know the the family likes the the fact that there's nobody else that's really not sold out like you know there's nobody else really out there that's like a big family retail that's still in business today you know that's not like uh you don't you don't see that so it's all big public companies and so it's weird I always imagined that big uh companies and department stores and even grocery stores you know these these uh the big retailers that you see in like shopping centers or M or not malls but like mostly shopping centers or or like brick and mortar locations I always imagined that they would buy the real estate yeah yeah no they're almost everybody's mostly written really yeah yeah Publix does a lot of stuff they own a lot of their properties but they do right yeah but uh most retailers are I think Home Depot does too maybe yeah they probably need too yeah yeah and then why' you start what when did you want to start a podcast uh just kind of for fun I mean honestly like I just like I was just uh wanted to kind of uh you know I mean there's two of them so I've got uh Matt Bell Limitless which talks about like a lot of kind of stuff you talk about like it's like you know I'm exploring like just topics that I'm interested in I know you're exploring topics that you're personally like super interested in you know and so um that's for fun like I wanted to meet people I wanted to explore this topic I want to I kind of started off with the ancient civilization topic on Limitless I mean I've talked to uh you know Ben and Chris dun and uh I just talked to the Knights Templar Timothy Hogan yeah that's a wild podcast dud Jesus yeah he dropped some freaking bombs on that episode it was great but but you know Billy Carson's come on I got Randle Carlson coming on next week um I got a bunch of good good guests I mean people are just you know interested in talking so which is cool I mean it's just a bunch of cool people so so that's for fun and then I've got um yeah Johanna James Brothers of the serpent yeah you do them all in person L Luke Caverns is a good friend of mine andw yeah he's just a good good person uh yeah I do them all in person yeah the one I mean I've done I've done one who's uh Ralph Ellis who uh he's in he's an timett Timber yeah the congressman that's the Cong he came in and did the podcast dude he came on and and he dropped some bombs too man like yeah he's like it's a cover up he's like it is a this UFO thing is a cover up so no way yeah dude yeah yeah he's cool man I bet he he he's got like you know I mean it's like a 40 minute episode how long ago did you him that was three months ago yeah about three months ago yeah no way yep yep yeah George Howard you talked to George Howard couple yeah George was in here a couple weeks ago yeah or a couple months maybe a month ago yep yep great dude yeah it was great getting to know George good so what is the deal with this Tim BK guy so he he's a congressman where he's pushing for for disclosure I mean ten Tennessee is where he's he's in Tennessee right right right right so there was like a I don't know if I'm I'm going to get this right but I remember there was some sort of Bill that was going through and um basically in that bill they were giving protection to those private Aerospace defense contractors y to where they could keep their secrets they wouldn't have to disclose anything right right right and there was two other congressmen that were from Ohio that were like supporting those the the Turner people I think yeah Mike Turner and somebody else and those guys were uh in Ohio right next to where um R Patterson Air Force BCE is right they're getting supported by like the the companies yeah the biggest private defense contractors there are exactly yeah so what what was his I what was his what did he have to say about like Tim yeah about like specifically about the whole disclosure thing in these private companies I mean he's just he just he just wants the truth you know he's like he's like where is the where are the tax dollars going like what are we spending money on like why can't we why can't there be why do we need this secrecy you know if there but then he he'll go into a skiff like a a private meeting he's been into a couple of those two three of those and they'll tell him stuff and it's like stuff that he already knew but they'll tell him stuff just so that he can't talk about it anymore so now he's like getting he's like frustrated like now I can't talk about this because it's like you know it's uh I was told it secret compartmentalized exactly so they're messing with them man they're they're uh they're really uh yeah it's interesting the situation the UFO topic is so frustrating like it's so frustrating it really is to dive into yeah yeah it's uh it's just packed with misinformation and disinformation and limited Hangouts and it's just like it's made it's purposely I think it's on purpose made to be confusing to the public yeah you know they're using like Twitter and YouTube and all these social media platforms to get people on various sides of things like throwing every single possible Theory you could throw into it and then people will defend that you know they'll die on any Hill to defend their crazy UFO Theory and it just turns into a [ __ ] show on Twitter where it's just like you don't even want to pay attention to it anymore right and I think that might be on purpose yeah yeah I think you're right yeah yeah you got to get Tim Hogan on though man uh night Templar dude that would blow oh my God so what so he's a he's a he's the Grand Master of the Knights Templar the Grand Master of the Knights Templar yeah so he's like the the like the top guy of the Knights Templar Knights Templar is this group of people that's like uh I won't get it's too much to you you got to talk to T Give me the give me the elevator pitch I mean the elevator pitch is that uh he says that the Knights Templar are in possession of the bones of Jesus Christ John the Baptist Mary Magdalene and their combined children um and he says that he has all of these artifacts from when the Knights Templar were working for the Roman Catholic Church in like the 10th Century M uh ad and and he's got the uh the the arcs of the Covenant he says there wasn't just one Arc that there were possibly a couple of hundred arcs and that he has 10 of them uh six of them did he show you proof no he didn't show any proof no no no no proof but but he says that he's going to disclose it he says that that he's he's waiting for the world to be ready for this I would have love to see some pictures right but but but he says that within the next five years he's going to disclose this information and release the information um I pushed him to get it done sooner than that you know to to really like five years is never going to happen to him you know but but like but he says that that's what he has and uh it's hard to even tell you what he said about the skeletons um because you know you can lose like 85% of the audience he said that that the the skeletons of Jesus and John the Baptist had elongated skulls okay yeah yeah yeah all right so what so what is he saying he's uh he's saying that he say Jesus was an alien he's saying there you go haven't heard that one before that's a new one I know yeah yeah I asked him to trade a couple of Jesus's bones for a couple vases but he was not gain unfortunately but uh but but yeah but I mean this is I mean hey hey big SS like an incredible podcast it was an incredible podcast yeah yeah no doubt yeah wow and the Kirk Cain thing was pretty dope too I mean like that's that's Tom Grant who was the private investigator um he's another guy you could talk to I mean he was the private investigator that Courtney Love hired to investigate her missing husband Kurt Cobain oh no way yeah and Tom is convinced that Courtney had him murdered that that that that Kirk Cain was murdered and there's um there's a lot of evidence that uh you know that it's that it wasn't just cut and dry Su yeah yeah yeah not that you know I'm I'm not going to you know come out and say what you know I don't I don't know I don't know but but there's a lot of evidence that it was not suicide and uh you know the suicide notes and and like there was a incident in Rome the month before where you know it was like he overdosed and Courtney was saying that that was a suicide attempt after he died she didn't say it was nobody it was just an accident until he died then Courtney like yeah she filed a missing person's report uh uh under the name of Kurt's mother saying that Kurt was suicidal um so like she was like putting all this like suicide stuff out about him uh there's a guy that said that uh that Courtney offered him $50,000 to have Kirk Cain murdered um I mean there's there's there's some that it's U it's uh and and the suicide note itself you know there's questions about was that actually a suicide note that they found at the scene they ruled it as suicide the same day like the like the exact same day that they showed up and found the body they said suicide like somebody some reporter came on and said to the to the to the the media that was there uh we we found a body and we found a suicide node so at that point you know suicide suicide suicide all over the world suicide and they couldn't they couldn't take it back they never did an investigation the body was was cremated Courtney had the the the um the greenhouse that he was found dead in just burnt to the ground she had she had the shotgun um you know apparently uh there's there's conflicting stories about what she did with the shotgun but but melted down potentially um yeah it's a it's a pretty fascinating story actually and I got a follow-up interview with Tom coming up because there's been so much questions that um that we didn't even have you know 3 hours later we didn't even have time to get into he lives around here no he's in uh California California yeah yeah that's fascinating that's that's a story that I don't know [ __ ] about I would have to learn about that that's um but that is really interesting man yeah suicides a lot of people getting suicided lately yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure yeah she had a bandmate that actually um uh died of a of a overdose as well you know a supposed overdose a month after Kurt died and it was her bass player and there was like rumors that she was like you know that she had this diary and that she was like with Kurt and like yeah so that was she yeah that was a that was a suspect kind of death as well so yeah man a lot of a lot of interesting a lot of interesting things to explore as you know which is why I love your podcast so much yeah you're I love the artwork that you use on your podcast it's pretty incredible the thumbnails are nuts dude that was something that somebody internally one of our artists that does like exclusive of brands for us that creates art for our private label Brands oh really he's just yeah we have like four brilliant artists that work for us that's incredible yeah I'm just like dude can you draw like you know like give me some like you know UFO and a and a hollow Moon and he just drew the guy who made the bell's logo made this uh no no okay okay no no no Bell's logo is like yeah that's a century old you're going with yeah but but one of our local artist I was going to say this guy's got this guy's talented man he's got a wide range of skills super super can do any style yeah shout out to Craig yeah he's he's awesome dude that's so sick yeah there's another guy um who's in St Pete who I had on a couple years ago who was the um I don't know if you're into like WWE or ever watch WWE not in a long time or if you ever listen to jimmi Hendrick oh yeah this guy was the guy who designed all Jimmy Hendrick clothing okay and he also designed all like the clothing for Macho Man Randy Savage and like like the famous wrestlers and he lives uh right down in St Pete he's like this hippie dude he tells all these crazy stories about hanging out with Jimmy Hendricks W that's cool that's cool yeah yeah yeah well cool man thanks for coming on and doing this and bringing all these vases this is uh astonishing to see all this [ __ ] and to hold it this is like a once- in a-lifetime opportunity I can't thank you enough for for taking the time to do this man this is a really incredible stuff yeah what um do you what do you plan on doing next like with with with all these vases or like are there any sort of uh tests you're going to put them through or anything you have like planned for the future with this stuff so yeah I mean I want to keep you know I want to keep scanning obviously and I want to keep measuring to to try to figure out you know is there is there something to this Royal Cubit subunit question and you know I want to want to just continue down that path I eventually want to get to the point where I'm I'm I'm analyzing the inside of it to see if there's any residue left over from whatever the tools were But ultimately the end goal is to you know get build some awareness about this topic so that we can get some pressure on the museums to have the museum pieces scanned and then I can quit you know I can be like all right just just turn it over to the you can flip it make a little bit of maybe make a profit yeah yeah I mean I'm I'm you know I've plan on keeping these for for life you know um yeah and just you know give them to my kids one day hopefully but um uh you know I mean it's one thing like like rock doesn't you know go bad like these are you know like like I was we were talking last night you know I mean you could own some Tesla stock or you could own you know rocks you know like you could own stuff that's I choose the Rocks I choose the Rocks too so so that's the plan you know um there's been a lot of requests for 3D prints of these because you know people have um um the 3D prints are freaking awesome you know so so I printed 150 for the for George Howard at the cosmic Summit that right there is a 3D print right yeah yeah yeah so so I don't know um I don't want people to I don't like it would be the easiest thing in the world to stand up a website and to sell these to people but I don't want people to think like that's why I'm you know it would also be a huge pain in the ass candidly to like keep up with the with the volume and to like to try to like create a business so yeah I'm I'm fighting that like I don't want to like go that route but I know there's so much interest in purchasing these things that like I don't know maybe one day you know uh maybe one day that'll be something that I'd consider doing but it's just it's just too much right now to you to even to to even think about so um I don't really have you know I I don't I don't want it to look like I'm like trying to monetize this because literally all I'm trying to do is is get some answers for people about you know and and myself because I think it's a super interesting topic about like you know what is our history like what's the true history a how were these made what were the tools that were used to make these things um you know and B when were they made you know like how and how and when were these things made and and um I think that that could give us some better insight into our true history I mean we know I won't even get into you know the the 12,000 year ago younger dras event but but I mean that's a major cataclysm where um like something happened I mean like we know we've got like the blackm layer we've got like that's where George has done incredible work on that with the with the um comment research group and you know um you know you got the extinction of all the megap happening at the same time you got meltwater pulse a 12,800 years ago you got mwat pulse B 11,600 years ago you got these dramtic climate changes there's evidence that like 10% of the Earth's biomass was on fire 10 12% of the Earth's biomass you know um you got uh Darren kuyu where people were digging underground you know potentially that could be that old to when people were trying to survive some you know major whatever pole magnetic pole shift or uh you know Common you know impact where we just the the conditions above ground where um not survivable so you know I mean there's there's there's questions like like was that the um it was obviously a worldwide Global Extinction event the only question is were humans civilized at that point in time you know and if they were these things could be really freaking old man you know I mean these things could be really freaking old so so um if they weren't then um if it was just you know Hunter gather as the traditional you know mainstream kind of explanation is um you know it's like well who how was gockley tee built by a bunch of hunter gatherers you know um uh so so you know I find it interesting and just hope to be able to clarify some of that you know some of the story of our ancient history through some of this research and I won't ever be able to prove it by these because you know no matter how much I do on these um uh people could always say uh it's you know it's a modern reproduction but but but I think by putting enough pressure and building some interest in this topic that that we could get some Museum pieces I would love to see some Skeptics get their hands on these not not Skeptics I mean experts like people like like Flint dible I would like to see him like actually look at these things and I know he's not an engineer um but it would be cool to have some sort of intellectual Round Table of people who are can cover all of these disciplines to like sit here and look at these things and talk about them I think uh I think that needs to happen a conversation instead of just an argument yeah right right exactly are are you making the scans available for folks um I'm making the ports available for folks I've got the scans available for a couple of these so the scans I haven't put out there yet because I just I mean the the measurements everything's available for people to read but I guess I'm just a little hesitant to like have the rest of the world be able to like 3D print these and start their own business and you know just like create replicas of these like all over the place and just that's true I mean yeah it's kind of you know that's really literally the only reason um but but you know what I'm thinking about doing is is is creating uh versions of these that are watermarked with like you know some you know some stamped with something that you know but but people can take that off and manipulate yeah for sure they can yeah but um but no I'm I'm not opposed to you know ultimately making even the scan files available I just think that the measurements are U you know they're they're really telling in terms of you know the the accuracy of these things yeah I think it's uh I think it's definitely a smoke this the number one Smoking Gun yeah for some sort of super Advanced ancient civilization that we don't we don't know about yep yep yeah but like this scan file is available um this scan file is available on Uncharted X so yeah so I mean you can go on there and download these and print them up if you want to okay um or do whatever you want to do with them um so yeah I I totally agree with you I mean if there is uh if there is some ancient civilization like if that was a thing then this is the best evidence that we could possibly have for it I mean for sure yeah this and the pyramids man I think I mean these need to be added to one of the wonders of the world because um it's just as unexplainable as those 20 ton megalithic pieces of granite that are sitting up 600 feet in the air in the pyramid and the King chamber right right yeah agree just like a a a minute scale like again I cannot get over this tiny little vase yeah it's so insane yeah yeah it's crazy and then you I mean you got rock crystal you know yeah I mean you got like that's quartz yeah quartz crystal yeah yeah I mean I think it's same but but yeah um yeah crazy yeah yeah man all different shapes and sizes you never see two alike it's uh it's one of those you know it's one of those big mysteries for sure that uh hopefully by by you doing this show and by you know getting the word out there people start talking about this and we can hopefully get some answers to it hell yeah man where can people get a hold of you where can they find your podcast all that stuff yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's just Matt Bell Limitless on YouTube but I'm on Spotify you know or whatever as well but I'm trying to build that YouTube channel up so yeah I appreciate all the all the the subscribers and um you know I'm on X as well Matt be Limitless on X is is the handle there so um yeah man yeah appreciate that cool dude well thank you so much for your time and coming out here and and bringing all these amazing artifacts for uh all of us to enjoy hell yeah man I can't thank you enough for having me this is like one of the coolest experiences ever so yeah yeah you got a incredible show here I've admired it for a long time and I know you're like right down the street so it's like why it's awesome we're neighbors yeah exactly so so why not um yeah no really appreciate you having me super super my pleasure man of course yeah we'll do it again yep no doubt all right goodbye everybody all right