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文化的差異とグローバルビジネス理解

as a professor I didn't say on one of the  world's leading Business Schools in France   Erin Meyer has spent years focusing on how  the world's most successful global leaders   navigate these kinds of complexities whether  we are aware of it or not there are complex   variations in what is considered good business  and Common Sense from one culture to another   whether it is attitudes concerning when best  to speak or stay quiet the role of the leader   in the room or what kind of negative feedback  is most constructive these differences have   a tremendous impact on how we understand  one another and ultimately on how we get   the job done winner of the 2015 thinkers 50  radar award frequent contributor to Harvard   Business review and author of the culture  map let's welcome Erin Meyer to the summit so we are here to talk about how cultural  differences impact our Effectiveness when   we're working internationally and I'm going  to start by giving you two examples about my   own own clients and how they struggled with this  topic so the first one is about a Chinese client   that I worked with his name was bochan and Bo  was living in Beijing and for the first time   he was hired by a company outside of China he  was hired by a company in London he was really   excited he was hired because he had excellent  English he was very extroverted and when he   got the first opportunity to come to a meeting  in London he prepared he prepared the entire   trip from Beijing to London then he arrived he  greeted all of his British colleagues he said   thank you very much for having invited me but then  during the actual meeting Beau said nothing at all   at the end of the meeting he got up again  he shook hands again with his colleagues and   then as he was leaving the room he accidentally  overheard one of his British colleagues saying   to another colleague well certainly seems like  Bo has nothing to add right okay that's your   first situation we'll come back to it later the  second situation about is about a French woman   I worked with her name was Sabine when I worked  with Sabine she was living in Paris but she was   just about to be expatriated here she was moving  to Chicago so I spent some time with her before   she moved helping her think about how she might  adapt her style to this American context and then   after she'd been in Chicago for four months I did  a pre-scheduled follow-up call First with her new   American boss John and I asked John how are things  going for Sabine he said to me Erin it's not going   well he said the problem is that I've spoken  with Sabine about now these things she needs   to change several times I've seen zero effort on  her part to make these changes he said you know if   she doesn't start working on this soon I don't  think this expatriation is going to work out I   did he told me have my first performance review  with Sabine last week and I was again very clear   with her so I'm hoping to see some effort soon  so I got off the phone with John with John and   I called Sabine and I said how are things going  in the U.S and Sabine said to me they are going   great she said you know Erin for the first time  I found a job that takes advantage of all of my   talents she said you know Erin I have to tell  you I had my first performance review with my   new boss last week the best performance review  I've had in my career right okay now these two   individuals both had cultural differences impact  their effectiveness without even knowing it   so we're going to come back to these guys a  little bit later all right now let me just   introduce myself a little bit before we get into  this topic some more so my situation is a little   bit the opposite of sabines I think you could  tell that I'm American I was raised in Minnesota   in a very monocultural place but now as an adult  I've been living in many other countries uh in   Southeast Asia and in southern Africa and I've  lived now in Paris for 15 years so my husband   is French and this is actually true my two boys  Logan and Ethan just told me last weekend that   they are French which is quite unsettling for a  mother right when you hear that your children are   a different culture than you are so I have been  studying how cultural differences are impacting   business and what I've been doing is working  on a system for helping people kind of decode   these cultural differences and I call this culture  mapping so I have this system that breaks culture   down into these different scales and we look at  how decisions are made differently in different   parts of the world world we look at how we build  trust differently in different world regions and   then through lots of research we have countries  that are positioned up and down these scales so   those uh little uh those little balls there just  represent countries and what's interesting is that   as you start to put the dimensions together you  can start to do this kind of culture mapping so   here for example I just mapped out French business  culture for you and Brazilian business culture   what I wanted to do with you today is to focus  on three dimensions that really look at what it   means to be a good communicator in different  countries and then afterwards I'll give you   some opportunities to learn more about the other  dimensions if you like okay so in order to get   started with this I need to mention two things  the first is that of course when you look at   the country positions I know they look to be very  precise but please keep in mind that of course in   every culture we have quite a bit of variance I  individual variants so I mean if you were doing   research with me in Australia we might find that  some Australians are falling you know to the left   of this uh this curve uh sorry I'm getting a  little lost here um to the left of this to the   left of this gray curve some to the right and then  we would get to the the Australian positioning if   we were doing research in Kenya we might find that  some Kenyans are falling to the left of the yellow   curve some to the right of the yellow curve and  then we would have the Kenyan positioning so just   keep in mind that of course although the country  looks very specific that there's always individual   Regional or generational variants within a country  right okay the other thing I need to point out   before we start looking at the research is that um  when you look at the countries don't think about   the absolute positions of them only consider the  relative difference so to give you an example of   this I was working a while ago with a team and  at the beginning I had just just Americans and   French on the team and I asked the Americans  what's it like to work with the French and   the Americans said to me well Erin you know the  French they said they're very chaotic they're very   disorganized they're always late they're always  changing the topic it's very difficult to follow   them a little bit later I had a group from India  that joined the same team and I asked the Indians   you know how's it going working on this French  team and the Indians said to me well Erin you   know the French they're very rigid they're very  inadaptable they're so focused on the structure   and punctuality of things that they're not able  you know to adapt as things change around them and   that's linked to what I call this time orientation  scale where you can see on the scheduling scale   that France Falls between the U.S and India which  then leads to these opposite perceptions I gave   the same example in Germany a little while ago  and one of the Germans said you know Erin this   is a funny example for us because we the Germans  in this room we work frequently with Americans and   we are always complaining that the Americans are  exactly the same way that you've just described   that the Americans complain about the French  right so that's how these Dimensions work it's not   about what is that culture like it's about how do  cultures respond to or understand one another okay   so with that I would love to get started with our  first Dimension and I want to talk with you about   these terms low versus high context communication  and uh just start by saying that in a low context   culture when we communicate we assume or  consider that we have a low level of shared   reference points so in a low context culture  when we're communicating we feel that we don't   don't have the same relationship or information  or context and because we assume a low level of   shared context in these cultures we believe that  good effective professional communication is a   communication that's very explicit that's very  simple and very clear in a local next culture I   believe if I want you to understand blue I have  to say blue in a low context culture I'm taught   that if I give a presentation I should tell you  what I'm going to tell you and then I tell you   and then I tell you what I've told you right  why do I tell you the same thing three times   because everything is about the Simplicity and  the clarity of the message now in a high context   culture while we're communicating we assume that  we have a much larger body of shared reference   points and because we have all of the shared  context in these cultures we believe that good   effective professional communication is much  more sophisticated is more nuanced or implicit   or layered I teach in two languages English and  in French and there are these words in the French   language that mean High context we don't even  have these words in English there's this word means when I speak don't listen to my words listen  to the meaning behind my words so it's not what I   said that matters it's what I meant that matters  in uh in Japanese so the Japanese culture is the   highest context culture in the world in Japanese  there is an expression which is kooky yomanai and   the expression means someone who is unable to  read the atmosphere or someone who is unable   to pick up the subtle messages in the air so in  Japan a good communicator can really pick up all   of those subtle unspoken messages and a good poor  Communicator is kuki yeomani right okay so now I'd   just like to start by looking at some of these  countries with you and you can just see as you   look up here first of all the colors don't mean  anything I just have for example different regions   and different colors but you can see when you look  up here that all of the Anglo-Saxon countries Fall   to the left-hand side of this scale the U.S  the lowest context country in the world right   um and then if we move over you could see that  we have many Latin countries and Mediterranean   countries that fall kind of mid-right on the scale  and then further over you would find many African   countries and even further many Asian countries  and partially this is linked to language so   many Asian languages are very high context in  themselves for example in Hindi the word cull   means both tomorrow and yesterday so you see that  in the language you have to constantly be reading   the air to understand what the word means right  then I'd just like to get you to think about how   this impacts an interaction I had a German  who said to me you know Erin in Germany at   the end of a meeting we almost always do a recap  right first we do a verbal recap and then we do a   written recap and then we send that out right  he said now that I've been working in France   often at the end of a meeting I'll get ready  to do that recap and my French colleagues will   just stand up and someone will say a voila and  I'll think to myself but voila what [Applause]   and I'll be so surprised to see that it  just seems that people know what's been   decided they understand who's supposed to  do what without going through all of those   levels of clarity that I'm so used to so one  thing you can take away from this is that in   low context cultures we tend to nail things  down in writing more frequently than in high   context cultures where we leave everything  open for verbal interpretation right a second   example I was in China last year working with  a multinational American company and before   I worked with them the chairman of the company  who was from New York City gave a presentation   afterwards he left I was talking about this with  his employees the human resource director from   Shanghai raised his hand and he said you know  Erin this is really interesting for me because   the whole time the chairman was talking I was  trying to make sure that I was listening with   all of my senses that I was picking up all of the  levels of meaning that the chairman was trying to   pass and now that I'm looking at this I'm asking  myself is it possible that there was no meaning and I thought to myself that that chairman would  have been very surprised to know that anybody was   trying to read the air Beyond his literal words  right now my third example is about parenting   I had this Nigerian woman who said to me a  few weeks ago she said in Nigeria we raise   our children to be high context she said you  know if I have people over for dinner and my   daughter says to me mom can I have another  sweet I will say to her of course you can   but she knows by the look in my eye that I bet  she better not touch that sweet and you know   I just thought about how I raise my children and  you know I learned this system from an American   parenting book I have sat down with Logan who's  seven years old right and we made a list of all   of the rules we typed them out and we posted them  on the refrigerator and I'll say to Logan you know   no you can't do that and he'll say well Mom that's  not fair it's not written on the refrigerator so   you can see already at age seven that one child is  learning to read the messages in the air and the   other child is learning the most important message  is the one that's written down right and put on   the refrigerator okay so um what I'd like to do  now is just get you to think about how people   complain about one another when they're working  internationally low context people they say that   high conducts people are lacking transparency that  they're hiding information they're secretive High   context people say that low context people are  condescending they talk to us like we're children   either they're not very smart or they think we're  not very smart I had someone from Indonesia in my   class who said you know Erin in my culture if  we have a discussion and we on the phone and we   make some decisions verbally that would be enough  for me and then if you get off of the phone and   you put into writing everything we've decided and  you send that to me that would be a clear sign to   me that you don't trust me right so a lot of  people are having these reactions going back   and forth Without Really knowing what's behind  it and if you think about what is behind it I   mean just think about the history of the U.S the  lowest context culture in the world and Japan the   highest context culture in the world I mean Japan  an island Society a homogeneous population people   living in very close proximity for thousands of  years the Japanese just got to the point that   they could read the atmosphere in the U.S 250  years ago people moving from all over the place   having different histories different backgrounds  Americans learned if you want to pass a message   you really have to simplify that message to the  lowest common denominator right so that brings me   to my first conclusion which is global teams need  low context process processes and that's because   when you're communicating across cultures the most  difficulty happens not between one low context   culture and another low context culture like  Americans working with Japanese sorry Americans   working with Germans not between one low context  culture and a high context culture like Americans   working with Japanese but between one high context  culture and another high context culture like the   French working with the Chinese because we're  all speaking between the lines we're all reading   the air but the context that we use for that  communication is very different okay we finished   our just about finished our first Dimension but  I need to do something very important for me as   an American before I move on which is tell you  what I've told you so let me just start by doing   that now the first thing that we got already is  global teams need low context processes five uh   beyond that if you're working with low condics  people go ahead and be as clear as you can but   it in writing recap three times now that's fine  but what if you're working with a higher context   culture in that case you might repeat yourself  less you might ask a lot of clarifying questions   and you might focus on increasing your ability to  read the atmosphere and I'm going to give you one   last example so this is a humiliating example for  me but I will share it with you for the good of   the group so the situation was that I finished  writing my book in the culture map in May 2014   and I was feeling really proud of myself like I'd  really accomplished something and I then took a   trip to Japan and I gave a presentation to a small  group of Japanese and at the end I asked if there   were any questions and no one raised their hand so  I went to sit down my Japanese colleague then said   to me Erin I think there were some questions  do you mind if I try fine so then he stood   up and he said to the audience Erin Meyer  has just spoken with you do you have any   questions no one raised their hand but this  time he looked very carefully at the group mm-hmm yes do you have a question  and the person said yes thank you   I do and he asked a very important  question and then he did it again   then he did it again he said  are there any other questions and the person asked a very important  question so afterwards I said to him   but how did you know that those people  had questions and he said to me well he   thought about it and then he said well it  had to do with how bright Their Eyes Were and I thought to myself wow you know for me coming  from Minnesota like I do that's really difficult   but then he clarified he said you know Erin in  Japan we don't make as much direct eye contact   as you do in the west so when you ask the group  if there are any questions most people are not   looking right at you they're looking somewhere  else but there were these two people in the group   who were really looking right at you and their  eyes were bright which signifies they would be   happy to have you call on them if you would  like to okay so the next day I gave another   presentation again I asked if there were any  questions again no one raised their hand but   this time I thought I would just try so I did what  he suggested you know I looked carefully at the   audience and I saw immediately that he was right  that most people were not looking directly at me   and as I looked at them carefully I saw that  there was this one woman in the room who was   really looking right in my eyes and when I looked  at her she held my gaze now were her eyes bright   I don't know but I wanted to try so I made a little bit of  a gesture to her and she nodded her head and I   said do you have a question and she said thank  you and she asked a very important question it   was such an important learning experience for  me because imagine at the school I teach I have   people from all over the world in my classes  every single day can you imagine I had all of   these bright eyes that I was entirely missing so  we need to constantly be working on these things   right okay now I want to move on to our second  dimension which is one that looks at how we give   negative feedback or criticism in different parts  of the world and I'm just going to start by giving   you an example about a client that I worked  with I had this British guy who was working   on a team with this guy from the Netherlands  and the British guy wrote a report and he sent   it to the Dutch guy for feedback and when the  Dutch person received the report he thought it   was horrible he thought there's no way that we  can send this to the client like this so when   the Dutch person called up the British person  he had the value system of the importance of   honesty that drove the way he gave the feedback  and he said you know I read through your report   and there's no way that we can send this to the  client like this he said the introduction is weak   but here are some things we could do in order  to improve the introduction he said there's a   lack of logic flow in the middle of the report  but here are some things we could do in order to   improve that logic flow a number of grammatical  errors that I've circled here for you and as he   went through that feedback the British person  was taking this feedback really emotionally he   was thinking this person is an arrogant jerk and  he doesn't seem to like me very much he thought   this is the last time that I'm going to ask that  person for feedback now if you imagine the table's   turn and in the second situation it's exactly the  opposite this time the Dutch guy writes the report   he sends it to the British person who think thinks  it's horrible who thinks about how to improve it   but when the British person calls up the Dutch  person he gives the feedback in a different way   so he starts by saying you know I read through  your report and there were a number of things   about the report that I thought were good so this  section I thought was very well written this is   what I liked about it this section here I thought  was very well researched this is what I liked now   if you wanted to make some changes I have just a  few small suggestions for you so I was thinking   that the introduction to this report could be even  stronger with just some small modifications in the   middle of the report could have a very powerful  impact with some minor adaptations there's a   very small grammatical errors no problem at all  I just cleaned those right up right overall fine   now when the Dutch person got this report this  feedback he took it at face value he thought the   report's pretty good I'll spend three minutes  making a few small changes and then he sent it   out to the client and then he found out a week  later from someone else that that British person   didn't like the report and now he thought this guy  is a hypocrite right you can't trust him he lied   to me he thought this is the last time that  I'm going to ask this person for feedback so   when you think about what it means to be to give  constructive feedback please recognize that that's   different from one part of the world to another  now when you look at the country positions here   you'll see that some countries have shifted from  being to the right hand side on the last scale to   the so they they're high context cultures to the  left hand side of this scale so these are cultures   so these are high context direct cultures those  are cultures where we speak between the lines   a lot we read the air a lot but if it comes to  giving a negative message we're much more likely   to use what I call upgraders which are words  that make the negative message feel stronger   such as this is absolutely inappropriate or this  is totally unacceptable in more indirect cultures   we use more downgraders like you might possibly  think about doing this a little bit differently   maybe right now another thing you might notice  is that some of the countries have shifted from   being low context to more middle on this scale  so the US the lowest context culture in the world   very focused on recapping key points putting  things in writing clear as possible in all   situations except when it comes to giving negative  feedback and at that moment Americans have been   taught to give three positives with every negative  to catch people doing things right now to do   positive anchoring which means if I have to tell  you your messages your work is not okay I should   start by telling you what I like about your work  which shows respect before I tell you what to do   differently and I think now you can understand  what happened to poor Sabine I mean Sabine who   comes from a country France where positive  feedback is given less frequently and less   strongly negative feedback is given more strongly  so when she went into that performance review with   John and John started by giving her those three  positives she thought to herself wow this is the   best performance review I've ever received when  he got to the the real message she wasn't even   listening anymore now I also wanted to make a  quick comment here as you're looking at the U.S   and France about our education systems which is  of course where this all starts and I told you I   have these two little boys uh Ethan and Logan and  I brought them this so they were born in France   they've always lived in France and I brought  them this Summer to Minnesota they're there   right now to Minnesota so that they could learn  how to read and write in English and I just see   the way they're bathed differently so in the U.S  when Ethan comes home from school he shows me his   paper and his American teachers have written  things like excellent work exclamation mark   they put stars and smiley faces fantastic right  and I when he doesn't do well they write things   like you're almost there a little more effort  you're on your way and I can tell you it is not   like this in France so in France when Ethan takes  this deep day this dictation test on Monday all   week long he prepares it gets to be Monday  he takes the test he comes home he shows me   the paper there's always red marks all over it and  the teacher will have written things like applique   exclamation mark which means apply yourself or  she will have written n a which means skills not   Acquired and When I See This research it hurts me  I think oh he's going to lose his self-esteem he's   not going to want to go to school anymore but  I'm the one having culture shock you know Ethan   he understands the feedback in the context it's  received mom what's the big deal I had the fifth   best paper in the class right so I know you're not  managing nine-year-olds but I do believe that this   uh this feedback teaches us to have a tougher skin  or a more sensitive skin later on in life okay I'd   like to we went through these first two scales  already I'd like to wrap up now quickly with our   third scale by going back to the first situation  we started with which was Bo Chen okay so you   remember Bo right he done all this preparation  then he didn't say anything in this meeting and   when I worked with Bo he was suffering at least  partially from this Dimension that looks at what   silence means in different parts of the world  and I'll just imagine that you ask me a question and I'm silent for a few seconds what does that  silence indicate in your tribe if you come from   a country like the U.S France the UK Brazil you  might think that silence means something very   negative like maybe you'll think that I'm angry or  I hadn't understood you I'm uncomfortable you'll   respond by filling up that Silence by asking  another question or answering the question   yourself right if we come from a high comfort with  silence culture like Japan Indonesia bochens China   you might perceive that same silence as something  very positive like that I'm a good listener or I'm   thinking carefully before I give a response or  it might suggest nothing at all there was I've   seen in my own work that Americans become  uncomfortable with silence around the two   to two and a half second mark in a dialogue and  this same research shows that the Chinese can   easily go up to seven or eight seconds of Silence  without feeling that anything unusual is happening   and if you just think about what that means for  a discussion In some cultures one person talks   and another person talks at the same time right in  these cultures if we talk simultaneously it shows   I'm very passionate we have a great relationship  everything's going well and I'll put in that first   category I would put Latin cultures Mediterranean  cultures Arabic cultures some African cultures the   second pattern these are what we call perfect  timing cultures and these cultures we talk like   we play ping pong that we don't like overlap and  we don't like silence and I would put Anglo-Saxon   countries including the us as well as Germanic  cultures into this pattern and the third pattern   is one that looks more like this where one person  might speak and then there's a pause before the   next person responds and I think you could I  would put all East Asian countries into this   third pattern so you can see now what happened  to poor Bo Chen right if you have people from   all three of these cultures working together the  third group loses because they're waiting for   that moment to speak that never comes right when I  worked with Bo he said you know I'm so frustrated   Erin I go to these meetings I'm all prepared no  one ever gives me a moment to speak right we can   work on that when we're leading a global team  by inviting people to speak giving them a clear   moment recognizing that we are responsible for  giving everyone the opportunity okay I am going to   wrap up now I know we only got to go through three  dimensions today but if you're interested in this   topic you can go to my website and I actually have  a couple of erinmeyer.com and I have have a couple   of little tools you can play with they're just  free tools but one of them you can click on up to   55 countries and you can get the culture maps of  whatever countries you might be working or living   with and the second one is a short self-assessment  where you can fill out some questions and get   your own personal map and then you can find  out if you are living in the right country okay it was a pleasure to work  with you thank you [Applause]