all this up and then finally he gets the word from Jeffrey kenberg in Las Vegas who before had been sort of the hero of fundraising who had raised all of this money for Joe Biden just telling the president the spets Run dry donors are not not giving money anymore Mr President we can't get donors to give money you then hear about um not infighting inside the Biden campaign but just just a a a a sadness yeah an understanding that they cannot win with a man that they respect and love and basically waiting for orders who who are they going to help beat Donald Trump and so all of that all of that happened yesterday along with so much more yeah and then at the end of the day we learned that the president of United States has tested positive for Co which felt like a day just laid out Democrat just how much more of this can we take and I think what we saw yesterday was everything we've been hearing in private not just frankly for the last three weeks but for a long time Spilled Out publicly which is that the polling now shows private polling and now public polling that we're seeing internal polling and public polling that this is an uphill climb not just for the president but for everybody down the ballot and that's why you heard Adam Schiff who's very likely to be a senator from the state of California coming up here in just a few months starting the day with a public statement saying that Joe Biden should step aside that he's going to take down with him others who hope to become Senators hope to hold on to their seats in the House for example and then this sort of the dam broke and we heard the reports of Chuck Schumer as you said and ncy Pelosi and Hakeem Jeff and it went on like this all day saying we've looked at the data yes we've seen the national polls but the election is not a national referendum we're looking now at our district polls we're looking at State polls including one this morning from Emerson that shows Donald Trump now leading in the state of Virginia by three points in Virginia so that's a snapshot of where this race is right now and that's why you're hearing more vocally Democrats saying it is time to get out and I wonder Mike Barnacle um what you think about the the president's state of mind right now obviously we saw him after the co diagnosis looking frail getting on to Air Force One Last night um he respects Nancy Pelosi he respects Chuck Schumer we know that what will this weekend of isolation at home in Delaware be like for Biden and his family I think it'll be a reflective weekend uh for the family uh taking a look at the reality of the landscape and I think the sadness of it will finally penetrate the entire Biden family and the sadness of it by sadness I mean when you have elected officials many of them un named in these newspapers stories about the Democrats indicating that they don't want Joe Biden to be on the ballot this fall running for reelection as president the sadness of it is you keep hearing the word that they're bitter they are bitter and the idea that Joseph Biden Joseph R Biden who is a Magnetic Personality with people loves to grab people slap him on the shoulder how are you buddy how you been that he would be referred to as bitter is really something it's really something and that that Jonathan is I think epidemic now within the house candidates and some of the Senate candidates yeah we're we're seeing another real push by democrats to try to adjust the top of the ticket that every time the Biden campaign since the debate has been out there they've been trying to to fend this off he's done a number of interviews he's done a number of campaign events some of which very well received uh you know he has been out there publicly saying I'm saying this stop asking me and the questions have only grown the Biden teams efforts to push this aside simply haven't worked and as as Joe just ran through uh yesterday felt like a really significant day and we should note the Schumer week meeting was over the weekend Pelosi was several days ago Jeff was several days ago but what was Quin not coincidental as they all leaked yesterday and I think that there is a sense that this is the time the Democrats see this as their final moment as a contrast what we're seeing at the RNC where like it or not the Republicans are totally unified around Donald Trump they've embraced his running mate we're going to hear from Trump tonight they confidence there uh and they're also expected to put up a record fundraising total in the wake of the assassination attempt uh you contrast that with the Democrats their own fundraising drying up and the sense of Doom that's permeated the party and maybe that's not fair to President Biden but that's where the party is right now and it does feel like as the president now heads home to rith off the campaign Trail and what would be a crucial moment to provide counterprogramming to the RNC that if this is going to happen it's going to happen in this next stretch and again publicly the president's saying he's staying on we'll have to see if that changes yeah and Joe and mik you Joe you pointed to this AP poll the argument from the campaign has been it's Elites it's the media trying to push Joe Biden out what we've said all along over the last three weeks is that's just not the case all you have to do is go to the grocery store or go to the dry cleaner or the gas station it's what people are talking about his age after that and frankly there were a lot of people rooting for Joe Biden in these last 3 weeks waiting for these interviews watching the performances and clearly not assured when you see that 65% of Democrats not just Americans of Democrats believe it's time for him to step out of the race right and and you can look at all the PO listen here's the deal there's 110 days left we've said this time and time again I we've seen polls anybody that remembers 1980 remembers that on Wednesday Thursday Friday before the election the race was too close to call and suddenly there was a massive break toward Ronald Reagan the final weekend Reagan wins a massive Landslide 1980 over Jimmy Carter you can go to 1988 there's Michael duas he's up by 15 16 17 points in the summer George HW Bush mocked ridiculed this race is over Democrats were saying completely confident George HW Bush wents in a landslide we remember here in 2016 being mocked and ridiculed for even saying in late October early November that Donald Trump had a pathway to 270 electoral votes everybody lik to say oh we knew he no they didn't nobody was saying it the very few people who were saying it were being mocked and ridiculed that was in 2016 so yes a week in politics I think McMillan may have said it maybe Harold Wilson one of those British prime ministers from the 1960s said it um that in in politics a week uh is a lifetime and you got 110 days so many things can happen so many things will happen that said show me any candidate from any year running for any position where he gets to the general election and 2third of his own party do not want him to run I don't care if it's Joe B in 2024 if it's Joe Scaro in like 1996 if it's a mayor running uh in 2014 that candidate is going to lose those are numbers you just can't get past week given what you've just said Joe um this is goes back to the point that you made a week ago perhaps more and that the Dems need to get get it together they really need to get whatever they've got going going whatever it is the problem should not be our candidate the focus should be on Donald Trump um you know it may or may not be Joe Biden I trust Joe Biden's abilities I also trust Nancy Pelosi's political accumen nobody knows politics more than her and nobody uh more than Nancy Pelosi she does not get out there without information to back it up she doesn't take risks and she knows her politics she knows her numbers um she doesn't lose votes you remember whenever Nancy Pelos you say well is this going to V pass or not you would always say when Nancy was speaker would say well if she puts it on the floor it's going to pass CU she knows where the votes are better than anybody I've ever seen if there is a change it's got to be a change that gets Barack Obama behind the candidate Michelle Obama behind the candidate George W bush behind the candidate uh former presidents and world leaders and people who understand the importance of democracy because it's going to take uh citizens who care about this country to to bring this back to together or Trump will win Trump right now is on the path to winning yes he is let's go to NBC News Capitol Hill correspondent Ryan nobl Ryan what a day yesterday on the hill uh ask what did you hear I guess I should ask how much did you hear of what we just talked about where to begin yeah you know Joe and M I think you guys have crystallized it really well uh the issue here is that Rank and file Democrats have just not felt comfortable about President Biden at the top of the ticket uh since that debate took place I think part of the reason that you saw the the calls and The Angst subside a little bit was because of that assassination attempt on former president trump it just kind of pushed this story to the back burner but I can tell you from my own reporting that the conversations were still ongoing and that people were still very nervous in fact you know right before the assassination attempt was this phone call that President Biden had uh with the new Dem Coalition more than a hundred uh Rank and file Democrats mostly moderate to left Democrats uh which was a very uncomfortable phone call it was supposed to last an hour it only lasted 35 minutes uh President Biden uh could not be heard very well by people on the call he got defensive at one time at one point during an interaction with Congressman Jason Crow of Colorado uh and I know that many of these Democrats got off that call feeling a lot worse about the situation than they had going in and they already didn't feel good about it uh so I think that is is kind of the foundation of what you see in this maybe third or fourth round of angst and concern uh from democratic leaders about President Biden's role in this campaign and what is interesting is that hakee Jeff Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer they had been very quiet about their own personal feelings about the situation and to be clear they're still being very quiet but what they're allowing to let happen right now are the rumors and the speculation about what went on in these closed door conversations between Schumer Pelosi and Jeff and the president and they are not going uh to Great pains at all to deny the conversation and the tone of those conversations and what I was told is that the conversation between uh Schumer and Biden on Saturday was blunt that Schumer laid out for President Biden uh in detail the polling that he is showing uh about these races not just at the national level but in individual states in individual districts uh and that it was a conversation just between Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer and what is interesting about this conversation is that there's been a concern among many Rank and file Democrats that perhaps the message wasn't getting directly to Joe Biden that he was being insulated by some of the closest uh some of his closest Associates and family members and that he wasn't getting a real reality check as to how his party was feeling and how average voters were feeling well now we know that he's had these Direct ation we know he talked directly with hakee Jeff and Jeff has said on the record that he conveyed the feelings of his caucus and we know that his caucus is upset the still lingering question that hangs above all of this is that there is only one person who can decide that Joe Biden is no longer going to be in this race and that is Joe Biden himself there are now reports that he's least at least open to that idea something that was not even leaked out early on after the debate that that was something that he wasn't even considering uh so if that door is open even a crack uh my guess is that at least Congressional Democrats are eager to Bust It Wide Open and try and convince him to find a path uh to exit this race gracefully and then the conversation uh can be who comes next which I think is still a very open conversation within the Democratic party M the the the sobering message he got yesterday from congressional leaders and his biggest fundraiser was simple we're losing you're losing and you're going to run out of money because the doners have left so I don't I don't know what those two or three in his inner circle are going to say to that but the fact is they don't know more than ancy Pelosi right about polling they don't know more about uh contributors than Jeffrey kenberg who's dedicated a good chunk of you know the last decade to helping elect Joe Biden and when you hear from congressional losers we're losing yeah you're losing yeah and you have the donors have all abandoned you it doesn't really matter what people are saying on the inside like I said last hour I I believe uh deeply in President Joe Biden's ability to run this country I also trust more than anybody I've ever met in politics Nancy Pelosi's political acumin so when she speaks I listen um and I think a lot of other people do Democrats certainly do on the hill let's bring in NBC News and MSNBC political analyst and former US senator Claire mcal uh Claire your thoughts this morning as the president works to recover from covid and the RNC is confidently underway yeah um this is a tough tough time for the Democratic party um for a lot of reasons but if you look at The Narrative of what's happened happened I think and I I look at this folks from a perspective of somebody who might be running for Senate in a tough State because that's what Chuck Schumer is focused on Hakeem Jeff is focused on congressional candidates running and swing diff districts that's what delivers majorities for the policies that we care about for the values that we all share and they watched the debate realized that the age issue has now become had now become something that was very very big and immediately afterwards those candidates and those elected leaders of our party thought well let's give Joe Biden space and Grace because you know this was a horrible night for him and everyone felt for him personally about how difficult that night had to have been for him and his family and the other thing that happened is everyone waited a week to 10 days to poll I think you can assume that every single Battleground state where we have a senate election waited 7 to 10 days and then went in the field and they ask questions like would it impact your vote if the US Senate candidate refused to ackowledge that there might be difficulty with Joe Biden serving another four years they ask questions like do you believe Joe Biden is the strongest candidate for the Democrats to in fact field those polls all came back and as time went on it appeared that the circle around Joe Biden got closer and closer and then it came time for the leaders of those groups Hakeem Jeff and Chuck Schumer to take data to the president and say say this is what we're facing this is really a problem not that anyone I think took joy in that not that anyone is trying to push Joe Biden off a cliff I think everyone is is feeling a lot of mixed emotions about this everyone because there's this thing looming and we watched it last night that people who you know 10 minutes ago were calling Donald Trump Hitler and unhinged are now going rahah you know it be great so it is it is something that I think when they try to move up the roll call I think that frankly turned a lot of people that were sympathetic to where Joe Biden was to being angry and mad that not only were they not listening to the concerns of the other elected people in his party but that they were held on going forward even more quickly than they needed to to try to like slam the door on honest concerns of a whole lot of and these aren't Elite voters out there guys um you know I can just tell you from my time over the last week most people who come up to me that are folks like you know my plumber who called me yeah these These are people that are really worried about Joe about Donald Trump being president deep deeply worried Mike but you it did seem like to Claire's point that the Biden team had a had a window here that after the debate we give you a chance prove us wrong show us that you can still do this and he's been out there he's had some good performances he's had some decent interviews he got through the press conference just fine um but but it almost seemed like the performance ended up not mattering because the perception had taken hold that he no longer could do it and the data backs that up the fundraising backs that up and it seems that these Democrats who really like Joe Biden who are really deeply grateful to him for his service who think he's been a very good president but they no longer think he's a good presidential candidate and nothing that has happened despite Biden his team's best efforts has changed their mind you know Jonathan age historically has gone undefeated there's nothing you can do about it you get old you get old and there are certain elements of getting older that affect you physically and sometimes mentally the the problem here is the confusion about who Joe Biden is today Joe Biden remains today the decent generous honorable human being that he has always been all of his life and to read the reports as CLA was just indicating of unnamed members of Congress and unnamed members of the Senate who are thinking of their down ballot success this fall they're thinking about their own jobs everybody understands that but to be told that they're bitter about Joe Biden or disappointed in Joe Biden is really really sad because the man has given his best to the country yes he has had a wonderful four-year Administration with more success that I I would argue than Barack Obama had in his administration he has changed the country and Joe and ma uh I don't know about you I do know about you actually but the sadness of this is personal for me and I think for people who know Joe Biden you don't want to see him pushed out you don't want to see see him hurt or humiliated you want to see him Thrive to be a success whether he walks away from the nomination or sticks it out for the nomination you want to see him succeed well we do we we we we have n him for a long time Ma and her family extraordinarily close uh to to the bidens uh have always felt the connection the first brazinski uh award named in your father's memory went to Joe Biden for good damn reason and you are right Joe Biden did more as far as bipartisan legislation than any president this Century NATO expanded uh what he's done in Asia to strengthen our our our position in Asia around China uh also unprecedent everybody's been talking about a pivot to Asia for for years Joe Biden finally did it um and these are the things that Donald Trump's talking about uh taking a part whether it's NATO whether it's Taiwan you can go down the list and so yeah Joe Biden has has been has at least by our our account Joe Biden's been an extremely successful president I will say though when you're told by members of Congress that they're losing they're going to lose the house and the Senate if he stays on the ticket uh when you're told by by members of Congress who have seen the polls that you're losing uh swing States and that your numbers are going down in swing States in States like Virginia New Hampshire New Mexico Minnesota are are now in play uh and when your top fundraiser over the past five six seven eight years is telling you the money's gone the donors have all gone away you know it's it's really incumbent on people that are around Joe Biden to step up at this point and and and help the president and and help the man they love and do the right thing this is not going to this is not going to end well if it continues to drag out look at the events of yesterday the events of the last three weeks and at at some point you know the I can tell you Mike the anger that I hear yeah is not at Joe Biden the anger I hear are at the people that are keeping him in a bubble uh have their own interests or or who may have their own interests uh some Financial in keeping him in the race that is the real anger and let me tell you that's not just the anger from inside Congress that is Anger from inside the political his own political camp and it is widespread it is WID spread Joe Biden deserves better he deserves better than he is getting from those closest to him meanwhile uh Republicans are feeling extremely confident about Donald Trump's prospects to win the presidency again Senator JD Vin of Ohio introduced himself to a national audience last night at the Republican National Convention accepting the nomination for vice president the 39-year-old shared stories of his turbulent upbringing which was chronicled in his best-selling Memoir hillbilly elogy his speech had a populist tone casting himself as as a fighter for the working class the venture capitalist huh president Trump represents America's last best hope to restore what if lost may never be found again a country where a workingclass boy born far from the halls of power can stand on this stage as the next Vice President of the United States of America Joe Biden has been a politician in Washington for longer than I've been alive 39 years old K Harris is not much further behind for half a century he's been the champion of every major policy initiative to make America weaker and poorer we have a big tent in this party on everything from National Security to Economic Policy but my message to you my fellow Republicans is we love this country and we are united to win my message to my fellow Americans those watching from across the country is shouldn't we be governed by a party that is unafraid to debate ideas and come to the best solution that's the Republican Party of the next four years United in our love for this country and committed to free speech and the open exchange of ideas you know it's very interesting Jonathan lamir I mean I'm finding that ivy league Elite schools whether it's whether it's Yale it's true though say you went to Colombia um but whether it's Yale or Harvard or Princeton or these Elite institutions that would not even allow me to buy a t-shirt from their campus stores these Elite institutions are are producing some of the fiercest populists in America and I mean this populist dick that he's doing I I just I love the split screens of him in his little Tech vest you know I love San Francisco San Francisco is great I love it I love San Francisco and and and you know I love San Francisco so much and I love I love the elites out here they're so smart and and so yeah so here we at joshh Holly a he man he is a fierce populist Stanford Yale Elise Harvard Ted Harvard Princeton I mean again these are places you know they put apbs out the Southern State School guy is coming lock up lock up the campus St no t-shirts no t-shirts for Joe you get to wear couple of t-shirts from yeah Alabama Alabama the Harvard of South TI there him wear a d t-shirt I also have an old old M t-shirt that I'm allowed to wear I love Old Miss too but anyway th this whole populace thing is crazy and this whole we love America nobody else love how do you love America if you're always saying that it's terrible how do you love America when you deny that we have the strongest economy in the world how do you how do you love America when you deny that we still have the greatest entrepreneurial engine in the world how do you love America when you continue to tear down the strength of America's military when you call them weak and woke and in fact they're stronger relative to the rest of the world than any time since 1945 how do you love America when you keep talking about how terrible America is that is the great enduring mystery I would love answered and that is a great enduring mystery that I wish Democrats like would actually ask Republican candidates I think for JD Vance his effort to sort of symbolize his transformation from venture capitalist to this version of himself was when he grew the beard like those old sha he had no beard back then now he has the beard and that's trying to symbolize uh his new political viewpoint but you make a good point about this dark vision of America that we've heard from Republicans when all the data doesn't really back that up yet we know there is sort of a a postco malaise here in the United States other countries too inflation now cooling but been too high but by the number America is as prosperous and successful as it's ever been in a lot of metrics but yet and that stands stands in stark contrast to the vision being painted not just by Vance but most notably Donald Trump uh and that's why I do think maybe he'll stick to a script tonight and preach Unity we all know that won't last his truth social suggests otherwise that he will indeed go back to depicting America as apocalyptic thinking that resonates with his voters we'll see if it does for the rest of the electorate speaking of trump he will headline tonight in milwauke and joining us now from the site of the RNC there in Wisconsin National political correspondent for Politico Meredith McGrath she is the author of the upcoming book Trump in Exile and Meredith you have reporting on how former president Trump and Senator JD Vance's relationship went from sour to now Partners sharing the ticket together tell us about that well let's go back to 2016 when JD Vance wrote hillbilly elegy that really served as a kind of Guide to the white working class uh aggrieved voters that Donald Trump appealed to and really help tried it really helped to translate to a lot of people the political base that Donald Trump was tapping into but back then JD Vance wasn't so much a fan of Donald Trump he had called him a liar and he was one of those faces of the never Trump movement but flash forward to the 2022 midterm elections and JD Vance uh made appeals to Donald Trump he ran for Senate in Ohio it was a crowded primary field and he was able to win Donald Trump over for a few reasons one he uh directly took on those criticisms he once had of Donald Trump um but he also had some really powerful allies behind him people like Donald Trump Jr and Peter teal who made appeals to Trump on his behalf and I I had some reporting in my book about some of the uh encounters that Trump and Vance had whether it was at his golf course uh at in um Palm Beach or it it was you know other instances where Trump thought that Vance was his guy and ultimately endorsed him but it it really is a remarkable Arc for JD Vance to to go from um once a liberal Marling to now the Vice Presidential nominee for Donald Trump and somebody who is really seen as the Maga era parent now Meredith so many different reasons have been cited as the reason why Donald Trump decided to go with JD Vance that he was a true populist he liked his foreign policy he liked his defenses on television but then there's probably the most attractive reason of all JD Vance recanted A and surrendered in a sense to Donald Trump what do you think is the reason that Trump at the end of the day decided to go with him well I think Trump has always loved to win over his former critics we've seen that time and time again with people in the Republican Party who once denounced him and now have become some of his biggest cheerleaders but I think with this pick it really came down to a few things and one I think they have a a strong personal report and I think Donald Trump was looking at this moment especially just in what's transpired in the past few weeks and is looking for somebody who is going to push his Maga movement uh for the decades to come and JD Vance is incredibly young he's 39 years old he's turning 40 in just a few weeks and at a moment where the conversation the national conversation swirls so much about age questions of age I do think that was a factor in it too and then going back of course to some of the people who have been supportive of JD Vance uh Donald Trump Jr uh Trump's son was uh incredibly supportive as were other people like Tucker Carlson um and others who who played a role in helping Vance get his endorsement back in 2022 National political correspondent for Politico Meredith mcrath thank you very much Meredith's new book Trump in Exile is set to be released on August 6th uh and Jonathan lamir uh you mentioned uh Vance's beard and as the New York Times uh took a deep dive into that aspect of the Vance candidacy as the times notes the Ohio Republican is the first major party nominee with facial hair in 75 years the last bearded man elected president was Benjamin Harrison back in 1888 the last president with any facial hair whatsoever was William Howard Taft elected in 1908 the last vice president with a mustache was Charles Curtis who served alongside Herbert Hoover and the last major Party candidate to try to break that clean shaven streak was Thomas eie who had a Dapper little caterpillar on his upper lip and ran unsuccessfully for the highest office in 1944 and 48 and as the times notes these days facial hair is often seen as suspicious particularly for someone seeking office quote it didn't help that politicians lost their races and appeared to be experienced something of a Long Dark Night of the Soul sometimes expressed by crises by disappearing and then reappearing with beards and we have one more honorable beard mention I like it Richard I liked it it may come back M it may come back no I like your face okay Richard very very handsome either way Richard I will note that there was some recording about JD Vance's beard suggesting that actually Harry Truman had a beard but he they showed a picture he was like a light goate it's like he just didn't shave for a weekend that's all it was so we're not going to we're the Yankees no and we should know JD couldn't play for the Yankees but we should note uh there was some reporting uh that Donald Trump initially was very leery of the beard he didn't didn't like he doesn't like beard he doesn't like facial hair we know he so desperate for people to look the part uh but he was convinced to look the other way here and even once compared JD Vance's beard to one sported by in his words a young Abraham Lincoln so hos we have that to Aspire to the next time you go for it look at there look now we will say look 19th century presidents had the best style m there and the mutton chops that let's do that I'd take some of the hair but I wouldn't I wouldn't my head spectacular res on Richard hos thank you Richard very much and still ahead on Morning Joe one of our next guests says one generation of Americans has had a strangle hold on the White House and won't let go we'll talk about the impact of baby boomers on us politics that's next on Morning Joe we will be right back the Absurd cost of housing is the result of so many failures and it reveals so much about what's broken in Washington I can tell you exactly how it happened Wall Street Barons crashed the economy and American builders went out of business as Tradesmen scrambled for jobs houses stopped being built the lack of good jobs of course led to stagnant wages and then the Democrats flooded this country with millions of illegal aliens so citizens had to compete with people who shouldn't even be here for precious housing Joe Biden's inflation crisis my friends is really an affordability crisis and many of the people that I grew up with can't afford to pay more for groceries more for gas more for rent and that's exactly what Joe Biden's economy has given them president Trump's vision is so simple and yet so powerful we're done ladies and gentlemen catering to Wall Street will commit to The Working Man that is fascinating he um he blamed the housing crisis on illegal immigrants also later in the speech I don't know for those of you who didn't see it I'll just give you the summary he also blamed the Detroit Lions second half collapse against the San Francisco 49ers in the NFC Championship Game on illegal immigrants as well and finally he blamed the subpar Star Spangled Banner uh at the Home Run Derby a few nights ago also un illegal immigrants we're going to be factchecking all of those issues especially the lion second half collaps that was heartbreaking still heartbreaking me joining us now live from the RNC in Milwaukee is NBC News senior business analyst and host of the 11th Hour Stephanie rule also with us co-anchor of cnbc's squawkbox and a columnist for the New York Times Andrew Ross sorin So Stephanie we could we could quibble over the housing crisis and illegal immigrants the Detroit Lions star angle bner going horribly wrong the other night uh but I think really the bigger question here is is raised by The Wall Street Journal editorial page this morning where they talk about JD Vance Donald Trump sort of this protectionism and what it means not only economically but also their America First policy what it means internationally and the W Journal editorial page has been concerned for some time over Donald Trump's protectionist trade policies uh what did you hear last night from JD Vance what do you expect to hear tonight from Donald Trump uh that will either allay the fears of of free Traders and uh capitalists uh uh or are are what do you think will make them even more fearful well it's not just what they say Joe the issue is what they do you can start with the housing crisis right and JD Vance up there talking about what Wall Street Rober Barons did and how they hurt the country and caused that housing bubble to burst and people losing their homes and losing their businesses but there's no connection to Donald Trump's policies because it was Wall Street predatory lending but what happened when Donald Trump became president he wanted to wipe out the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau he's all about loving payday lending Steve minuchin his treasury secretary became supremely wealthy because he profited off that bubble bursting yesterday my flight out here I took a commercial Delta flight and I sat next to a hedge fund manager named John Paulson who raised $45 million for Donald Trump back in April do you know why he's so rich because he shorted subprime so the the issue that blew my mind last night is that JB Vance stood on that stage and he could have talked about things that he believes in like a National Abortion ban he believes in it that he thinks gutting Medicare and Social Security that's what we need to do to get back to financial sanity he's all about project 2025 he could have talked about those things but he didn't he talked about things that were wholly untrue like how Donald Trump has what he's done for wages how he is going to bring jobs back how Joe Biden is buying energy from other places under Joe Biden we're producing more oil than any president ever so my head scratcher goes back to what you all were talking about in the last segment with Jeff how on Earth is this rhetoric matching the policies they put forward it's simply not so Andrew it's been well discussed JD Vance's transformation from Silicon Valley Wall Street guy to this populist um give us your analysis of how he's trying to pull it off on this public stage last night which for much of the country yeah maybe they knew him from his book but this was really their first look at jie Vance the man what was your what was your read look my read was to ask more questions uh than actually have any real answers I think that especially among the the world of folks in business who are following all they're saying themselves there is a remarkable disconnect between uh former president Trump and JD Vance's view of the world as it relates to so many of these business issues and which one is going to ultimately win is this window dressing when when you hear JD Vance talk about uh you know is this a stop effectively uh to uh the the middle class which is something that that that Donald Trump has historically not focused on you know in this Bloomberg business report this week uh Trump says that he's going to take the corporate rate tax rate down to 15% um you know that would seem at odds if you will from a JD Vance view of the world uh there has been an expectation that you know the regulatory regime which uh president Trump has uh castigated over the years uh you know if you listen to JD Vance he would tell you that you know he likes Lena Khan so which is it and I think that's a little bit of the question this morning which is it who who if if Donald Trump is the president is he actually listening to JD Vance or is JD Vance window dressing for uh some of the less comfortable things that that that that Trump may be supporting Stephanie JD Vance and Trump both support a weaker American dollar can you talk about what a fundamental shift that would be in the American and World economy if they were to weaken the American dollar as the world's currency okay I'm going to give one example or one issue where that this really matters and then it connects to who JD Vance's biggest backers are and now Donald Trump's many people are wondering why are all these Tech Bros you know why do you have Peter teal Elon Musk right certainly they're not pro-union guys why are they backing a JD Vance h and a Donald Trump well one of the main reasons is cryptocurrencies right if suddenly the US do if it is no longer the the strongest in the world people are going to care more about crypto they're going to care more about Bitcoin what they would love to see is the SEC revamped regulation around cryptocurrency changing that would make this universe uh the tech Universe backing JD Vance and Donald Trump even more wealthy and so that's something we should all be and I'm not saying alarmed in a bad way but but just pay attention to suddenly these guys who are Libertarians who are backing someone like a JD Vance this doesn't really makes sense well it is because they want to go from having ultimate wealth to ultimate power and deregulation is one of the great ways they're going to do that and and a JD Vance might help them and her electrifying floor routine set to Taylor Swift's hit song ready for it at the US Olympic trials late last month the 27-year-old will be the oldest female American gymnast to compete at the Olympics in 72 years but that is not the only significant Milestone we'll see for women at the Paris games for the first time the Summer Olympics which start next week we'll have gender parody half of the over 10,000 athletes participating will be women to tell us more about the slow and steady build of female participation at the Olympics and why it matters is MSNBC contributor Huma abedine she's also Vice chair of the Forbes and know your value 30 50 Summit an editor of Forbes women Maggie McGrath join the teams back together of course Maggie Forbes women has taken a deep dive into the numbers of women athletes participating in the games since 1900 when Paris first hosted the games and and what did you all find well M I'm so glad you started with those 1900 Paris games because those were the first Olympic Games to include any female athletes that year there were 22 women competing out of 900 97 they competed in just five events and over the years as the ioc has added more women's events we have seen female participation increasing and in a full circle moment this year 124 years later we will have full numeric parody in Paris for the first time ever 5,000 athletes identify as female out of the roughly 10,000 total Olympians now I want to point out these numbers are just the start of the story here the ioc is signaling its commitment to gender equality in a number of other ways there will be equal coverage of men's and women's events during Prime Time the ioc has asked all participating Nations during the opening ceremonies to bring a female and male flag bearer and then in my favorite fact you know the Olympics normally conclude with the men's Marathon but this year the women's marathon will be the grand finale it's going to be such a good race I love watching Aluma why has the landscape for women athletes changed so much and obviously I mean we know some of the answer this next questions but why is it so important you know Ma It's a combination of three things policy access and inspiration it's not like girls have not aspired to be amazing athletes for centuries I remember when I was 9 years old and watching the 1984 Olympics and watching Mary L Retton on that um gymnastics at and being so inspired and saying that's what I want to grow up and be but it wasn't until the passage and we the three of us talk about this all the time the passage of Title 9 in this country that policy that legislation that required equal opportunity to sports for girls and boys which led to a five-fold increase in girls participating in school sports and since then this explosion of female athletes on all levels is is something to inspire us along with Billy Jean King one of our one of our honores and leading sort of leading to a generation of athletes of uh you know in all Fields so to see that um you have the ioc requiring that the flag bearers at the opening ceremonies be one man and one woman these are small things but they're not they're huge I can see it that's representation that's possible for me the Mongolian team in particular I think has already won uh the award in the best uh in the best dressed Best Dressed athletes it's leading to the largest record-breaking leadership uh uh sorry viewership this year um and I cannot wait till it starts so Maggie let's talk about the female star power on Team USA so how many athletes do we have headed to the games and how uh have American women fared versus men in terms of winning medals oh I love this question M so we have 592 total athletes heading two Paris this year on Team USA 314 of those athletes are women 53% and in terms of their odds of success it is quite good if recent history is any indication over the last 15 years the team USA's female athletes have outm medled the male athletes despite competing in fewer events in 2020 American women won 66 medals nearly 60% of the team's total hul and then if the US women had been their own Sovereign Nation in 2020 they would have come in fourth overall in the metal count behind the US China and Russia and I just want to underscore what Huma said all of these statistics are fun to brag about or boast about but women's success is driving interest in women's sports which is driving a tremendous amount of investment and money exactly um we had Katie Lei on yesterday who's expected to clean up she was amazing I love her positivity and her confidence hum what stories story lines and and women athletes will you have your eye on there are four Coco golf she had covid in 2020 couldn't compete she's our US Open uh Champion can't wait to see what she does Simone biles I mean talk about a goat she left in the midst of the 2020 Olympics is now coming back and Katie leui we have a saying in our household when you do something extraordinary and it said it goes like this what the hecky Katie Lei because not only does she have the skill but she has versatility she has staying power cannot wait to see what she does I love it what the hecky and is the unknown the unknown who's the star that comes out yeah exactly the breakout star whom abedine Maggie McGrath thank you both very much look forward to talking about 50 over 50 with you it's coming up the opening ceremony though for the Paris Olympic Games is next Friday July 26th coverage Brigade at 7:30 Eastern on NBC and streaming on peacock come it's Tyler Owens calls himself the tornado Wrangler if you feel itas I said if you feel it all right here we go oh she's perfect she's gorgeous you thought you could destroy a tornado we never had a chance you want one get don't face your fears you R them wow that was a look at a new highly anticipated summer blockb Twisters the movie offers a fresh take on the 1996 hit twister but with a new generation of stormchasers in the infamous Tornado Alley who are working to increase their understanding about tornadoes as they risk their lives to save others and joining us now the movie's co-stars Glenn Powell Daisy Edgar Jones Anthony Ramos along with Academy Award nominated director Lee Isaac thank you guys so much for being with us Glenn feels like our politics right now it is yeah Twisters not just one twist TW all over the place so so so Glenn I understand that that like you were a massive fan of the 96 original and as a kid you and your cousins would watch it over and over again I'm wondering first of all how did that impact your decision to do the film and secondly how did it shape the character how did it shape how you approached the whole project I mean I think uh I mean twister the original is just such a iconic movie uh growing up in Texas you know it's Tornado Alley obviously it's you know tornadoes are sort of a monster in your backyard you did tornado drills in in school and yeah my my cousins and I we just I think we watched that VHS till it broke and then it became the first uh DVD ever and you know um it it it was really it was really for me it represented the ultimate summer blockbuster you know one of those movies that always wanted to make and and and thank God career-wise right now I'm getting to occupy worlds like twister that I've always wanted to occupy it's pretty cool yeah that's that is really cool and Daisy uh so Glenn says you you you you pretty much says you've got a future as a meteorologist because you were the most well studied when it comes when it comes to weather and you even went to weather boot camp tell tell us about that and and again how it helped you understand what were doing yes well I mean I'm from London so I and I played someone from Oklahoma who grew up chasing storms so I really was like gosh I really I need to do my research so we were so lucky because we filmed in Oklahoma we got to actually meet a lot of meteorologists we went to the National Weather Center we had a storm lesson induction the whole cast went and I was like right I'm going to be top of the class so I did a lot of um of research but yes I'm not sure I I think I should stick to my day job but uh maybe there's a future for me there not not I wouldn't think a lot of TW twisters in London l in Texas or where I grew up in Mississippi Alabama and Georgia where it's just regular occurrence it's crazy uh let's take a look at the a clip from the film where all three of your characters are are together as you chase down a twister as it forms what do you see already has a nice structure moisture levels are just right and lots of Cape what else are you seeing flow is clean tons of warm moist air from the south and when that warm air and moisture bust through the cap it explodes in the atmosphere creating an anvil the vertical wind shear begins to rotate the updraft forming him as a cyclone and here's the mystery we don't know how a tornado forms we see the hook on the radar but what are all the invisible factors coming together every little detail that has it has to be perfect it's a mix of what we know and everything we can't understand it's part science part religion come on baby come on come on please please please please please come come on come on come on there it is yeah it baby there we go see that that's a tornado right there baby get some photos of that man birth of a tornado Nature's Masterpiece I'm just going to put it out there it seems like a really bad idea um Anthony uh you filmed this in the summer it's Oklahoma th tornadoes did you see any what was that experience like I didn't see any tornadoes um Isaac did uh but I I didn't um but uh we had some we had some scares I mean like me the first night I had dinner with Isaac I was in Oklahoma uh and I had just flown in and we were having dinner and all of a sudden I see the windows kind of rattling in the hotel and then the doors are kind of doing one of these opening and Clos it and I look at the waiter and I'm like hey like are we good like I was like are we are are we safe and the waiter's like yeah no you know we're used to this and I was like okay cool like all right then I'll have sparkling water then I'm like I'm Ching you know whatever but uh yeah so Isaac you you have a personal connection growing up around tornadoes so tell us a little bit about that but also what Drew you to this project would very different than some of your other films oh yeah absolutely I I grew up in Arkansas um grew up around Tornado Alley and um when the first twister came out that just really felt like a film that was made for all of us back home uh so I didn't even know till I got to college how big twister was like it it I just felt like it was a special film for us my family my friends um and uh this this film was really a chance for me to go back home and make another film and also to make an action movie I I've been dreaming and and dying to have a chance of doing that uh and not many people get that chance so just to be able to have that chance was also something I couldn't say no to man that is so so cool so Glenn I got to ask you Glenn so let's see Top Gun Twisters what's next dude a remake of Armageddon come on you're doing like you're doing all the huge ones AR as a huge fan of Armageddon man don't tempt me uh you know uh no I mean that's again that's the that's the really amazing privilege about about Twisters is like I think you know again career-wise like where we all are like to to reoccupy those boots that truck you know bunch of cowboy scientists chasing the wind there's just uh there's just no better way to go to work so you know that's the dream of Hollywood when you get to do it right you get to kind of return to being a kid yeah and DJ I love seeing this I love seeing big movie like this because you know last summer we of course had Oppenheimer and Barbie right people said we're the big summer Blockbusters this year to get people back in the theaters this is it this is the one I mean it really feels like a film to be shared a film to be enjoyed in the big screen you know I think it's as close to chasing as you can get without getting rain on unless you see it in 4X absolutely soy so Anthony tell us a little bit about the way did this movie try to pay homage to the original I mean you know we had we had these little nuggets from the from the original like the the Dorothy you know and uh in the beginning you know Daisy's character Kate is is like we we're all we're all chasing in college and we're trying to get Dorothy to work and um you know and we had James Paxton in the movie Bill sun which was cool he did a cameo and um you know and again you know we shot in Oklahoma you know I think it's you know we had all these kind of omes to the first film uh sadly I I do miss uh I I miss the cow you know uh you know I do but uh you know it's uh you know I think that that Isaac did an amazing job of of um taking the inspiration from the original film and just taking it to another level and Isaac lle and briefly just how did how did that happen you sort of Nodge the original but also make it your own yeah I mean we all love that that original film so it seemed like everybody was trying to bring stuff into this one including the cow that was a constant thing that people were trying to put into this movie uh so we're just trying to show love to that first one but ultimately I mean uh this cast these are incredible new actors uh who are up and coming and just doing incredible things um and the story is new the science experiment is new and um also what ilm can do with these tornadoes it's it's the most complex tornadoes uh we've ever seen in in cinemas so just to be able to do that make this film completely new to today that was really exciting it's excellent watch so watching it's going to be like riding a scary roller coaster Twisters will be in theaters Nationwide starting tomorrow co-stars Glenn Powell Daisy Edgar Jones Anthony Ramos and director Lee Isaac ch thank you all very much for coming on the show this morning hey there MSNBC fans I'm Luke russer and be sure to join me Rachel matto Jen saki Lawrence o donnald Steve coraki Joy Reed and many more September 7th in Brooklyn MSNBC Live democracy 2024 click on the link for ticket information we will see you there