was there um luck in your journey was there moments of luck that you look back on and say that was truly outside of my control but if that hadn't have happened I wouldn't have been the success that I am oh my God so much luck so the piece of luck that comes to mind um so after my first book which I wrote when I was 23 and was a big success I wrote a book on leadership mhm um I was 27 I took a lot of time writing it and I run out of money all the money I had made from the female woman my first book but I was determined not to write another book on women after that first book everybody wanted me to keep writing on women and trust me I had said everything I needed to say everything I knew and Beyond and on women and I wanted to move on as you can see from the topics of my books I like to move on because I learn through writing a book and that's very important to me so I run out of money and so I remember being really depressed walking down St James Street in London and thinking well you know maybe my first book was a fluke this book has been rejected by 37 Publishers so 37 Publishers rejected your book yes rejection after rejection after rejection why didn't you give up I said maybe it's time to give up and go get a go get a real job and I went I was going by Bark's Bank in the corner of St James Street I don't know if it's still there and something made me get into the back and ask to see the bank manager and the bank manager whose name was Ian Bell came and and I told him my story and I asked for an overdraft I had no assets and he gave it to me now that's luck right he had no earthly banking reason to give me that overdraft I still sent him a holiday card every year but it reminded me of fairy tales you know when the hero or the heroine is stuck in a dark forest and then these helpful animals come out to hi them out of the forest well that's back to trust I believe in life there are these helpful animals in the form of a bank manager or whatever and you can call it luck but I also call it part of the benevolent Universe we live in Steven can you influence the benevolent Universe because you point at these moments and say luck but in there I see so much intention and I see also see someone who I imagine from meeting you today and we've spent two hours together has an ability to win people over I want to know how you can influence the benevolent Universe absolutely you influence the benevolent Universe by taking action like I took action I went to the bank the bank didn't come to you the bank didn't come to me but beyond that it was out of my hands and very often people don't go to the bank because they're afraid of rejection so when we've overcome that fear of rejection that fear of failure we are much more likely to take bold moves and also if you look at your life and if I look at mine there are so many so-called coincidences Serendipity you know somebody you meet I mean I loved your conversation with Whitney wolf you know she was at dinner and they and they offered her a job sure she called them to follow up on the job but that you could say was just a coincidence that she met that person at a dinner and I call coincidences the Miracles that God performs anonymously and if you don't like using the term God it doesn't matter whatever term you use it's basically that benevolent Universe there is a phrase there's a verse in the Bible that I love which is not a sparrow fals but God is behind it like nothing happens nothing happens however trivial that doesn't have some Divine Purpose behind it do you believe that I do actually Stephen I don't believe I know how can you be so sure I bet there are many things you're sure of aren't you sure of the impact you having with your work don't be modest am I sure if the impact them no I don't think it's possible to be I I know that we're doing good work for sure for sure because people come up and tell me well isn't that impact yeah yeah yeah I'm sure yeah I'm sure that that's a positive force for sure yeah but that's because someone's come up and told me right but nobody's come up to me and told me that you know there's Divinity there's something Divine in everything that happens because the minute you say that I think of all the bad things that happen I think it is I'm just going to be honest one of the first things that I thought about was what happened in Nazi Germany of course I thought about the suffering absolutely there is an enormous amount of suffering but the question is do you trust that it's not because there is an indifferent or malevolent force in the universe yeah but because so much of what happens is beyond our understanding that we cannot comprehend The Mystery of the universe just through our minds alone I do trust that and so the more we can connect with our spirit our soul the more we can be in touch with meaning and purpose but if we try to comprehend everything through our minds they're so limited if you love the dver CEO brand and you watch 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