8K gaming is clearly dead remember when Sony removed the claim from the PlayStation 5 box well now Nvidia has also backed out with it going from being a selling point to being a footnote to not appearing at all on the product page for their brand new RTX 590 but the heck with all of that because you guys want to see it so MSI sponsored this video where we're going to see for ourselves if their new RTX 590 Supreme liquid graphics card can not only beat last gen but maybe even manage something better than barely playable thanks to Blackwell's architectural improvements including dss4 and multiframe gen or MFG I have my doubts especially when you consider the ray tracing requirements of some Modern games I mean can anything push 33 million pixels and Trace Rays at the same time [Music] let's hope so not going to lie as much as we're about to kind of dunk on 8K for being pointless it does look really good yeah the bigger the TV the higher the resolution you kind of want right with that said for most Gamers the benefit of 8K resolution is vastly outweighed by the main drawback which is of course much reduced performance but it's still impressive to see and especially with dlss AI assisted upscaling and in games that support it frame generation we get a surprisingly usable experience in fact this seems a lot better than I remember it being yeah we were getting what like 60s and 1% lows before 2 years ago we got a 9800x 3D now couple years worth of driver development and we're looking at more like 80 to 85 FPS in our 1% lows like dude it's very it's 100% playable more than playable like this is good it feels really good and this is still on the 490 mind you yeah with dlss now I have a question for you sir sure you have a 490 at home I do or well you used to yeah it's in that computer right there right right we needed it for the shoot T thank you appreciate you anyway before the launch of the 90 you and I have both gone on the record saying we were going to buy one yeah 4K is really demanding period yeah after seeing them side by side today I think we have to decide do we still feel the same way the launch was today it was a paper launch kind of I did get a pre-order no way I have not paid a dime yet I have about a month to decide before it gets here and I have to like actually go in and drop $3,200 Canadian dollar so today is a big decision then it really is let's swap out this 490 okay because this is literally your upgrade that you would be doing and on paper it really is a tempting piece of tech with 32 gigs of gddr 7 V RAM and almost 5400 extra Cuda course the 90 is a powerful GPU and the Supreme liquid from MSI is about as topof the line As It Gets hybrid cooling small side form factor this is what two and a qu slots and a 2580 MHz boost clock outside of water blocking a card yourself this is probably going to be about the most compact 5090 on the market aside from nvidia's own Fe cards there it is ploofs 49 oh God please please please don't do it no I'm not going to here goes our 90 oh yeah we're in gaming mode right heck yeah we better be heck yeah brother we need that 50 MHz for 8K dude I would not say no to any megahertz when it comes to 8K gaming I also do wonder if the extra vram is going to make a difference oh definitely will 24 gigs is a lot and 32 gigs is a lot more oh I don't have frame view on let's try to guess sure it already looks better though it's definitely better no question it's better oh dude our review came out I have a general idea of what the performance uplift should be mhm 121% lows oh dude I think you're bang on really I think you're bang on yeah here you can here we'll try to we'll try to co co game here oh might even be yeah oh might even be a little higher you know what feels pretty good you know what if we're playing prices right rules I'm going to be a total dick and I'm going to go 115 sure all right let's turn it on and take a look okay oh it did it yeah it's like 120 it's like 120 dude you nailed it oh man that's fast nailed it oh this is not good I don't want to spend $3,000 and the thing is the 90 raster for raster yeah it's not that much faster than the 490 but what it is is faster yeah and it's got those new RT cores as well and more of them and I love Ray tracing why don't we turn off dlss okay native yeah can we run native what we needed dlss for on the 490 probably honestly I probably dude you're getting like 110 average Y and it's like 91% lows so you are getting native performance where you used to need dlss that's all I want [Music] no and you know as much as I don't like frame gen the fact that we're starting at like 90 or 100 FPS that means dlss and frame gen together it's not going to feel completely terrible with that said do maternal incredibly well optimized game and it's not exactly a spring chicken I mean the sequel is supposed to come out in like three months why don't we move on all right uh yeah hi dlss off okay we were getting about 61 FPS with our 1% in the mid to high 50s uh-huh so we crushed it oh no 1% are 83 however I haven't moved yet oh that's actually it didn't that didn't affect it very much at all this seems totally fine this is such a pretty game for how old it is dude I know okay turn dlss on all right just just you know twist the knife twist the knife all right all right I'm turning it on we're going to stick with quality today oh 100% let's not touch R tracing yet okay so now we have some performance head room where we could enable R tracing it's not as high of a jump as I was expecting though no the rumors were looking really impressive and then yeah also what the what did you not see that weird checkerboarding that's the thing though when I'm playing the game you don't notice I don't notice it as much I was focused on what I was aiming at oh man it takes me right out of it it's because my eyes are looking everywhere they're not looking just center of the screen oh there it is you saw that yeah you saw that too you see it now oh that's hella weird right yeah no no the reason I didn't notice is cuz I was like really focused on the shot no that's kind horri awful so dealss quality you know maybe it's just not good at 8K man that's pretty but not in motion oh it's doing the checkerboard thing again like well I still have dlss on and now I have rt on and it seems like it's struggling even more whoa RTX dlss was not on what did we turn on then to go from 80 to 100 or I turned on ra tracing oh you turn on rate tracing but not dlss it turned it off oh I okay so that Checker boarding that was just is not dlss oh wow so this is running at Native with rate tracing okay I'm a little more impressed so then if that's not dlss then then we should turn it on we should it's still pretty sharp yeah there's a lot of tearing but we can't really blame it for that we're not running variable refresh rate because this is an older TV so that's the solution there even if it does come at the cost of some latency in motion Clarity ignoring the tearing ignoring the tearing it is not perfect it's not bad but it's not awful I'm not going to lie I think for the first time I would probably turn on dlss in this I don't see a downside it's better fine I would too what about a competitive game though CS2 can we play CS2 at 8K at like hundreds of FPS cuz this is a pretty light game it's light but it's not CS do go light Counter Strike 2 is out and it is harder to run so when we tried our 490 earlier we had it set to high preset and we were getting 110 to 120 average okay what were we playing 1% 70 to 90 we were playing dust two D two good old dust two okay it is amazing how bad I managed to be at Counter Strike when you can see I can game like a Halo I think I pretty okay there but like look at this I I can't even I can't even move 90 dude this is very Le usable it's like wait are these people yeah you're in a real match it's like 90 to 100 in our 1% lows so this is my problem I just need more pixels most of the time it's true the more pixels you have the easier it is to click heads I mean in a sense kind of I'm not saying that it's going to make everyone instantly a dude am I just like clicking today or is this like a dude I was like four kills in a row you have never seen me not that good like that I've seen you get some kills not that many in a row all right let's pivot and let's run something a little more demanding H yeah cyber Punk we were having troubles with our 4090 earlier uh it launched once ran great and then we went to turn dlss on uh the whole thing capped the vram at 24 gigs and it just was not happy with us more RAM could be the solution honestly maybe now that sharp looks beautiful that's sharp sharp boys okay Graphics okay what did what did you want ra tracing Ultra yeah that's wild that's whack it's not path tracing it's just R tracing okay all right turn off dlss native let's do Native first frame gen also off R Trace lighting Ultra okay everything else is on path tracing is off okay let's let's see what it looks like see how we're getting 1% lows of uh 16 yikes averages of 7 we've had some good 8K gaming experiences today this is not one of them this is our first true rate tracing experience though at 8K and admittedly it looks beautiful oh dude it looks incredible it just plays like ass yeah all right turn dlss on yep okay wow this is actually very legit it basically doubled their frames I want to see more I want to I know I want to see more first but it's actually oh oh I'm you see all that boiling and stuff in the lights as you drive past it too oh that one didn't have lights on it but uh turn around and go and look at those uh street lights yeah okay uh cuz you really start to see the issues with RTX and dlss yeah look at look at how terrible that looks is that dlss yeah it's not as bad no it's way better it's way better actually it is 100% dlss it's fuzzy it's it's all over fuzzy but it's not doing that weird ripply boily thing as you move it around and that's my problem right now is I really want to play native 4K RT I everything set to ultra Ultra it can be high or very high and that's fine but here's my problem I go turn RT on oh the performance is bad okay dlss and then I get this stuff and I can't handle this it drives me crazy and I don't understand how people can like play and not notice it like how do you not see this how do you not notice that maybe you have bad night vision and you get halos in the real world I'm just I look I'm just trying I'm playing Devil's Advocate right now you know what's too bad is honestly those Street lamps are the only things that really stand out to me right now I know everything else looks pretty good that's the thing dlss has gotten really good like that's what I'm complaining about like come on everything else looks great I mean I'm sure if we stopped and nitpicked we'd find a couple other really good examples but that's the main one and if that's what I'm complaining about come on like it's gotten incredible let's try path tracing just DSS it's back to where we were 16 averages with like a 14 low it looks beautiful admittedly and when I have an 8090 I'm going to enjoy the crap out of this hell yeah if I drive really slow it's actually kind of palatable cinematic yeah turn on frame gen okay the latency is going to suck I know it will 100 frames a 75 frames a second that feels uncanny dude like uncanny bad is your boiling better it's not perfect but it seems better it's less noticeable but it's still happening this beta Branch I don't know if it has fixes to dss4 or anything but yeah it looks a little better it's still super noticeable to me though oh it's definitely noticeable and you can see the almost the entire thing oh yeah it was really bad right when you were there it's like a it's it's like a really nasty fast pan in a movie at 24 frames per second I think it's cuz it's getting to the edge of the screen it's like ah you're not looking up there anyway we don't have to worry about that oh that's an interesting Theory it does look pretty oh no it might just be the speed at which the object is moving it just doesn't have enough real frames God that's bad that was bad okay let's look off into the distance though let's look off into the distance sure I'm trying real hard to just not pay attention to it and just look at the pretty lights the high input latency yeah here try it I don't like it it's like gaming on a TV from like 15 20 years ago with vsync on you know remember when they had like 80 milliseconds of input leg on a TV yeah especially going from CRTs to early LCD rough quite you know 60 or 80 but it's a lot it feels bad I don't I don't like Plus for sure I do not like it at all you see those fences getting all super messed up as we drive past them too I don't think it's just like some of it's the lights shining on them but some of it's really not you can also see at the bumper of our car oh yeah it's a huge Trail y yeah oh yeah oh yeah we still have to play too 605 Watts we cracked 600 wats 6o however msi's liquid cooler putting in the work 63° Max that's actually really good that's pretty cool and we've been sitting here gaming on it oh yeah like it might have dropped a little bit in between sessions and stuff but like still we've been sitting here's I'm going to go touch it that's that's pretty good I mean I guess that's what happens when you put a giant Radiator on it remember I took that thing out and I was like wow that's hot this is like warm and that's it storm Forest fans an advanced pump with Automotive grade coolant uh what else they got here reinforcing metal back plate high quality thermal pads I mean we could say all this stuff but realistically the proofs in the pudding there boys is doing real good it's doing the work we're getting 20 FPS it's a way smoother 20 FPS it really is cuz our 1% lows are like right below that yep it's it's an incredibly smooth 20 FPS like you can it feels that's the best 20 FPS I've felt in a long time it's solid so this still is not an 8K GPU in short if you're trying to run at these kinds of settings we don't even have raay tracing on brother H yeah here wait what else yeah what do we what do we what do we have on dude we're not even no we're we're at Ultra dlss off like let's go let's go medium medium yeah Med turn deis off yeah that's a lot better hey 70 FPS 60 FPS okay so if you're okay with medium or even low like cyberpunk low you know it's not perfect but it looks pretty good it's amazing how much better this feels now that I'm used to like 20 like that's one of your that's one of your favorite things you know comparison is the thief of Joy right I love that well in this case comparison actually brings me great joy oh yeah cuz this is the best feeling 50 FPS I've ever felt coming from 20 I'm sure it is you know what H would I turn on a little bit of would I put on a little bit of would you go down from this no no I don't think I would no would I put on a little bit of R tracing just a little bit well it's going to go down though yeah I know but just a little bit of R tracing a little bit of R tracing okay instantly it's just a little bit of R tracing just a bit not even path tracing it's so easy to do in real time it's so easy I just yeah I don't know if I would turn RT on in this game not not at 8K not in AK we've got a whole other video coming we're going to test a bunch of games in 4k that we didn't check in our review some of which are going to be properly benchmarked by the lab some of which are just ones that we're going to try live that you guys asked for let's try Indiana Jones all right the first game to require R tracing I think we can almost form a conclusion now though it's an 8K capable card as long as you don't expect to play the latest games with r tracing well let's wait until we actually play Indiana Jones because I know cyber Punk is demanding but it is old I want to see how Indiana Jones goes and I want to see if we can run it at least at medium without path tracing okay we are not running at Supreme you don't want to run it Supreme no I'm not going to run it Supreme 8K come on do you just want to see it yeah it's got supreme in the name I don't like where's the red sticker then I don't like the Brand Smart Guy 8K Supreme how does it feel you're getting yeah you're get over 60 now this looks great it really does this came out like months ago there's at least a bit of RT on because we're it requires it and we're in Supreme mode at 8K at 8K and you're getting your 1% lows are like 25 is it 50 50 55 oh wow they are and your average is like 62 63 I mean this is kind of beautiful are there rate tracing settings to turn up oh yeah I'm honestly very impressed and I was not expecting this oh hold on we have Ray tracing as off as it goes in this game yeah Su I see Supreme does not automatically turn on R tracing right well that's path tracing though is there just like RT that's not path Trace that's it oh okay whatever so yeah I can't even click it there we go so there you go this is what we were looking at at the start of the video was path tracing set to full got it and it is just obviously not happening but you know what this is pretty good it's playable and you haven't even turned on dlss yet no I haven't man that's that's actually not that much worse it's playable it's 35 FPS in the 1% lows which yeah for a competitive shooter absolutely unacceptable but for a more cinematic game and I wouldn't play it like this it's a little low it's a little low but there's a solution to that I don't like framen she's pretty though it does I just turned hdr on we didn't have it on before Oh my God looks so good yeah those Shadows oh man we're still getting like 45 FPS average no I have frame gen on you have frame gen on I have frame g oh how does it feel it's well here yeah it's not like the worst thing I've ever done it's not great but it's really not great it's like vsync plus yeah the funny thing is if all you've done is gamed with vsync on it probably feels fine to you yeah it's not until you game at high refresh rates without vsync where you're used to that like instant input that you really start to notice vsync and just how bad it really is I there's no way I can play with this it doesn't feel like 40 FPS when I'm moving around at all it feels more like 30ish if I think it feels even lower okay so with that in mind at 8K how would we play this game I would probably play it how we had it set earlier with Supreme RT set to as low as possible think we could do medium you think medium okay I bet we could do medium medium with dlss quality might be okay I think this is this this is reasonable I think this is it yeah I think this is it yeah cuz the dlss stuff isn't super noticeable might be more in other scenes seems fine here this is it's pretty playable boy is that a pretty looking game wow and boy are those ever playable frame rates yeah yeah it really is man this room looks so much better with hdr on yeah like it just it's got so much more range okay that's pretty decent so you're standing in a hallway at the end of the hallway is an RTX 590 do you walk down the hallway right now I'm walking further down the hallway than I did an hour ago I'll tell you that much I I don't want to spend the money that it'll cost to buy this graphics card but I really do want this performance but not at 8K 8K is not going to happen and there's good reasons for it yeah here's the thing even as a man who owns a monitor 8K just doesn't have any appeal for one thing the displays are still super expensive the 77 in LG OLED Evo Z3 is $10,000 which In fairness is a third of what this was worth when it was new it's 11 in smaller but yeah the 75 in Samsung Q 900d is more affordable at only 4500 bucks on sale mind you but you're still paying a lot for that higher resolution and making matters worse the content just isn't made for it yeah while the screen resolution will be higher and the polygons will be sharper most games don't use more than 4K for their textures with most movies and TV shows capping out at 4K as well if you're lucky but 4K still plenty demanding and we saw a similar generational performance uplift at 4K in our review of this monster yeah so and if I'm seeing the improvements here between the 590 to the 49 going 8K to 4K you're going to see it in 4k yeah I'm going to do it at the end of the day it's a very expensive card but it delivers very impressive results and the older generation card you're coming from the more of a difference you're going to notice and I'm going to be coming from a 30 series cuz like I said publicly I completely skipped the 40 series with all of that said if you're going to buy a 50 Series card we're obviously going to have some 50 Series products from MSI link down below including the 5090 we showed off today but also their 5080 Vanguard s so their new Vanguard line looks pretty sick and with their hyper frozer thermal design which features MSI stormforce fans their Advanced Vapor chamber and what they're calling their Square shaped core pipe heat pipes your card should stay cool handling the increased power overlast gen with ease thanks again for MSI sponsoring this video they're actually also sponsoring our gaming at 4k on 590 video that we're going to shoot next week so stay tuned if you want less review and more just try a bunch of games on this ludicrously fast and ludicrously expensive card if you guys enjoyed this video maybe go check out the first time we tried gaming at 8K on the 390 that was actually when we got this monster of a TV it's a long time ago