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Tech Equity and Money Talk with Michael Episcope
Jul 10, 2024
Lecture Notes: Tech Equity and Money Talk with Michael Episcope
Introduction
Speaker: Christopher Nelson
Guest: Michael Episcope, Co-Founder and Co-CEO of Origin Investments
Origin Investments manages $1.7 billion
Michael's background: Former trader focused on interest rates, named Top 100 Trader of the Year
Topic: Insight into multifamily real estate market
Transition from Trading to Real Estate
Michael and his partner David focused on protecting and growing family wealth
Chose real estate, specifically multifamily, due to past experiences and benefits
Introduced to real estate by his grandfather
Real estate as a stable wealth generator
Michael's life stages influenced his investment approach
Shift from single trader to family man
Michael and David initially worked on finding investment opportunities and learning the business
Vision: An institutional platform for wealthy investors
Key Learnings and Strategy
Importance of risk management in investment
Real estate can build or destroy wealth
Focus on understanding past market mistakes
Strategy of putting capital to work effectively
Preferred equity for capital protection
Ground-up development: Building properties below market replacement cost
Comparative market analysis: Assessing property prices relative to build costs
Market Overview
Current state of the multifamily real estate market
Post-2020 fervor leading to high property prices
Increased interest rates in 2023
Identifying buying opportunities as the market changes
Preferred investments: Good projects with distress in capital structures
Specific Market Insights
Sunbelt markets oversupplied (e.g., Austin)
Demand is high but not matching supply
Oversupplied markets may offer buying opportunities at a discount
Northern markets showing better rental performance
Aim to buy high-quality real estate at discounts during market downturns
Investment Decision Criteria
Focus on Class A properties: High-quality, renter-by-choice
Avoid Class B and C due to higher risks during recessions
Detailed due diligence on properties and market conditions
Interest Rates and Future Outlook
Potential for interest rates to come down
Mixed signals from international central banks
Real estate market depends on long-term rate trends
Importance of getting reliable, on-the-ground market information
Understanding the true performance and opportunities beyond headlines
Advice for Investors
Questions to ask if facing distressed investments
Assess debt structure and management quality
Importance of understanding true occupancy and rent performance
Diversification: Focus on fewer, reliable managers rather than spreading too thin
Risk can lie more in the manager than the deal
Institutions favor narrow but deep relationships with good managers
Strategy Drift and Manager Accountability
Watch out for managers deviating from their core strategies due to business pressures
Ensure your investment managers have a strong balance sheet and aligned interests
Final Thoughts
Importance of patience and deep due diligence in current market conditions
Looking for deals with genuine opportunities rather than just helping managers stay afloat
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