Tech Equity and Money Talk with Michael Episcope

Jul 10, 2024

Lecture Notes: Tech Equity and Money Talk with Michael Episcope

Introduction

  • Speaker: Christopher Nelson
  • Guest: Michael Episcope, Co-Founder and Co-CEO of Origin Investments
  • Origin Investments manages $1.7 billion
  • Michael's background: Former trader focused on interest rates, named Top 100 Trader of the Year
  • Topic: Insight into multifamily real estate market

Transition from Trading to Real Estate

  • Michael and his partner David focused on protecting and growing family wealth
  • Chose real estate, specifically multifamily, due to past experiences and benefits
    • Introduced to real estate by his grandfather
    • Real estate as a stable wealth generator
  • Michael's life stages influenced his investment approach
    • Shift from single trader to family man
  • Michael and David initially worked on finding investment opportunities and learning the business
  • Vision: An institutional platform for wealthy investors

Key Learnings and Strategy

  • Importance of risk management in investment
    • Real estate can build or destroy wealth
    • Focus on understanding past market mistakes
  • Strategy of putting capital to work effectively
    • Preferred equity for capital protection
    • Ground-up development: Building properties below market replacement cost
  • Comparative market analysis: Assessing property prices relative to build costs

Market Overview

  • Current state of the multifamily real estate market
    • Post-2020 fervor leading to high property prices
    • Increased interest rates in 2023
    • Identifying buying opportunities as the market changes
  • Preferred investments: Good projects with distress in capital structures

Specific Market Insights

  • Sunbelt markets oversupplied (e.g., Austin)
    • Demand is high but not matching supply
    • Oversupplied markets may offer buying opportunities at a discount
  • Northern markets showing better rental performance
  • Aim to buy high-quality real estate at discounts during market downturns

Investment Decision Criteria

  • Focus on Class A properties: High-quality, renter-by-choice
  • Avoid Class B and C due to higher risks during recessions
  • Detailed due diligence on properties and market conditions

Interest Rates and Future Outlook

  • Potential for interest rates to come down
  • Mixed signals from international central banks
  • Real estate market depends on long-term rate trends
  • Importance of getting reliable, on-the-ground market information
  • Understanding the true performance and opportunities beyond headlines

Advice for Investors

  • Questions to ask if facing distressed investments
    • Assess debt structure and management quality
    • Importance of understanding true occupancy and rent performance
  • Diversification: Focus on fewer, reliable managers rather than spreading too thin
    • Risk can lie more in the manager than the deal
    • Institutions favor narrow but deep relationships with good managers

Strategy Drift and Manager Accountability

  • Watch out for managers deviating from their core strategies due to business pressures
  • Ensure your investment managers have a strong balance sheet and aligned interests

Final Thoughts

  • Importance of patience and deep due diligence in current market conditions
  • Looking for deals with genuine opportunities rather than just helping managers stay afloat