you have the biggest Children's Hospital in the world that is manipulating mutilating and sterilizing young children so I thought I had to do something I knew that there were risk I knew that there were things to fear but there's something greater to fear rather than the consequences within this world [Music] hello everybody I had the pleasure and the discomfort as well of talking with Dr itan Heim today and he is a general and Trauma surgeon operating in Greenville Texas more relevant to this story he's come out as a whistleblower recently against the largest children 's Hospital in the world in Texas and so we discuss all that join us Dr Heim start by situating yourself for everybody say who you are where you are in your career where you're working where you're located geographically just contextualize this for everyone yeah um and thank you for having me on uh my name is Aon Heim I'm a general and Trauma surgeon in a small town out side of Dallas um I grew up in Florida you have a brother and a sister two parents very close with all of them um I went to college in Florida and then medical school there as well and um I went to did my surgical training at Baylor College medicine in Houston Texas and you know this was a big deal for me because it's one of the most prestigious surgery programs in the country um you know a lot of legendary surgeons have come from that program so I started that program in 2018 and was there for 5 years until 2023 so I was able to see the world of medicine surgery before covid and then afterwards uh so I had a unique perspective because I was at the bottom of the rung during this time and um you know it had completely changed my life changed the way that I perceive medicine the world around me uh so the program is Baylor College medicine but we'll rotate a few different hospitals one of those being Texas Children's Hospital which is the largest Children's Hospital in the world one of the best hospitals too what what exactly did you see happening and why do you refer to it in those terms yeah because uh so when you're a surgical resident you're at the very bottom of the totem pole of these big teams that take care of a bunch of patients so all the grunt work is done by the residents talking to these patients doing the consents seeing them every single day and these are these big County hospitals you big Children's Hospitals so when I started in 2018 you know the this was like the Apex of American Medicine where people would be taken to the operating room you know cut from the sternum to the belly you know have their entire aorta replac if they had disease and these people would go home and and I was able to see this and it was amazing you know this is what I always dreamed of doing because my dad's doctor he would tell me stories and um you know during that time there was vigorous debate about issues and medicine and surgery we would have these meetings every week where we would discuss these topics and we would discuss them freely we would have these these um uh different points of view that were fleshed out you know in in really rigorous ways but in 2020 all that changed and this was again the time where I was at the bottom of the totem pool right it was like my second year in training and it was in March of 2020 that everything had changed where the medical profession and really the our society's institutions had been transformed I think in two ways where they had instead of pursuing medicine based on morality and evidence and science it was based on ideology and what I mean by that is this belief that truth is subjective that it's it's not reflective of the objective world right so that something is true if you say it's true not because you can observe it or record it or measure it it all you have to do is just say it's true and this is a problem when you see it in like a college classroom but it's a totally different thing when it's guiding the interventions that you're you're recommending for patients and um that's what happened during covid with the masks the lockdowns the social distancing none of this was ever based on any type of scientific thought it was simply because someone said it and one when when you know believed in it but the second component that changed was censorship the ideology had taken hold but no one was able to question it no one a was able to debate it because of the censorship it happened in the media it happened in the news but in academic medical centers I can attest that it was this is where the the effect was most powerful where if you questioned anything you would have the most severe repercussions to your job to your future to your opportunities everything so a lot of people saw that in like this very kind of bird's eye level but I was in the hospital you know we would see bad cases of abuse before but the abuse we saw afterwards was the most shocking thing I've ever seen so it's like during that time that I became very familiar with the sound a mother makes when you tell her that her child is dead you know that's a that's a horrifying thing so that was my first few years of training let me summarize that just to make sure that we've got it so the case you're making you talked about this the the dawn of something approximating a subjective theory of truth and you say that things really changed in March 2020 and then you make a causal claim you said that in the throws of the pandemic lockdown the there were medical hypothetically medical practices that were implemented that weren't based on evidence at all the social distancing for example and and the use of masks and and if you oppose that the introduction of a very um uh strict form of censorship and your sense is that that actually changed medical culture quite dramatically and quite suddenly and maybe quite comprehensively and you saw that extend to the degree where we were allowing or hospitals were allowing or insisting that people who were ill suffered and died alone because they weren't allowed to see their loved ones and and then you said that you also saw the dramatic effects of that of the lockdown practices on children who I presume were exposed to more abuse partly because they weren't that wasn't being monitored by schools but also partly I would imagine that the additional economic stress and sheer proximity that to children that was produced by the lockdowns also exaggerated the conditions that would lead to abuse to begin with you you saw a perversion of the medical Enterprise that you believed was quite profound now why do you think you experienced that more dramatically in some sense because you were at the bottom of the medical hierarchy at that point why do you think that gave you a particularly insightful Viewpoint you and the reason is because we would see these people every single day the ones who would have to make the phone calls to the families was was us the people who would stay after and talk to the patients was us you know the the the breakdowns these people would have were experienced by us we would see all the worst parts of it and um so yeah that that I believe laid the groundwork because when you have the entire medical establishment every Doctor Who participates in this right they they like adopt this sin right the shame because everyone knows it's wrong but everyone's doing it and and you it's kind of like you um prepare them for what's next because if they don't speak out on on that then they're not going to speak out on anything else and the only way this becomes as universal as institutional as it has now is if doctors don't say anything because what these people are proposing has zero therapeutic rationale and and that goes before evidence that's Upstream from evidence like if I take out an appendix right I take out someone's gallbladder a colon mass because I think it's a tumor I have to have a logic a rationale I have to be able to identify a problem make sure that the risks that the sorry the benefits outweigh the risks because whatever intervention we're uh applying you have to do that calculus it's an interesting hypothesis you see I hadn't considered the fact that acceptance of the lockdown lies especially on the medical side and the emergence of that cancel culture around any criticism set the stage for the next sequence of Lies I mean there's other causal reasons I presume I mean I read a PDF a while back that was prepared by a marketing agency that described the growth opportunities on the transgender treatment front the so-called gender affirming side of medicine which that gender affirming phrase that's like one of the most manipulative lies I've ever heard in my life it goes along Ong with the legislation to forbid so-called conversion therapy which I as a therapist know that nobody has been doing for like 70 years that was a complete bloody lie right from the beginning and so your claim is part of the reason that spread so quickly was because there was a culture of compliance and silence that had already established itself firmly in the medical community I've never seen the medical and psychiatric Community do anything worse in my entire life than what's been happening with so-called gender affirming care and so what other reasons do you know that that that made this occur so and and just one more thing about what you say for the language it's so it's anti- language right it's not just a euphemism it's not just a few degre it's not a few degrees off from the truth it's not oriented towards the truth it's oriented towards the exact opposite completely it's diametrically opposed to to reality and to the truth you bet it's it's really something to see and like as you are implying most lies are just slightly off-kilter right that's how people get away with them but there are specific forms of lies that are diametrically opposed to the truth and they're obviously insanely pernicious and that's exactly the situation with so-called gender affirming care okay so you what did you start seeing you talked about the kids that you'd seen who'd been damaged by the co lockdowns and the increase in abuse but that's a separate issue apart from the establishment of the culture that we're describing yeah so it was around 2021 2022 everything with covid is happening and I'm a part of it right so there's a part where I've adopted this shame I know this is wrong I know these people are being harmed I know that what medicine is doing is wrong and people are are losing things that can never be taken back and that I'm a part of that because I was was was playing a role in it I mean I tried to fight back everywhere I could but you know in in my inside I knew that there was a sense of Shame right within me but then it was during that time that the transgender issue proliferated right it became Nationwide worldwide and you think that these uh things are happening in Washington state Oregon New York California but you don't think it's happening in Texas um so the story starts in March 2022 um where I was still a resident uh the hospital Texas Children's Hospital had issued a public statement unequivocally saying they were going to shut down their transgender Clinic because of potential criminal liability and that last port is important because they acknowledge that issue potential criminal liability the reason they released that statement in March of 2022 is because few weeks before the Attorney General of Texas Ken Paxton had issued an opinion saying that these interventions could be investigated child abuse which they are so makes sense why the hospital would release that statement right they they need to protect themselves avoid this criminal liability so they say we're shutting down the program and um uh I knew that that was a lie unequivocally the reason I knew that is because I worked there I did surgery there the people who were doing these procedures had told me they were doing these procedures so over the next couple of months people I worked with had told me that man you know I just implanted some puy blocking device in some 11 12 13 year old kid who believes they're transgender and uh I thought man that's that's odd they released this statement a few weeks you know few weeks before a few months before so I I I thought maybe this ju maybe like a few holdover cases maybe they were scheduled beforehand you know I didn't believe it it just seemed so absurd that the hospital would be lying about something like this I just didn't think it was possible right so over the next couple of months it just gets worse and worse more and more frequent where it's becoming more frequent but also the stories are getting crazier where you have these kids with tons of psychiatric issues all those are being ignored and they're just getting these drugs whether blockers hormones to uh to affirm their gender um so but I still didn't believe it right took me months but then it was January of 20123 that all doubt was gone because it was during that time that the directors of the program the transgender program the one that supposedly did not exist were given the opportunity to speak at the hospital's most prestigious lecture series it's called Grand rounds uh this is a lecture that's given every single week it's like a uh demonstrates a priority of the hospital so you have the directors of the transgender program who are talking to the entire department you know talking about their algorithmic approach to uh uh the you know the hormones and the blockers you know advising General pediatricians to ask about gender identity behind the backs of their parents talking about fertility preservation in 11 12 year old kids talking about momies when you know kids get a little bit older and um that was that was mind-blowing but then even there was a few weeks after that there was a zoom conference with a few members of the transgender program with a group of 150 medical students right like a public Zoom conference where you had one of the social workers who talked about how they actively concealed the existence of the program from governing State bodies right governing medical bodies by saying instead of documenting consoles right or giving documentation to parents he would defer documentation like just call in consults or just tell parents the reason is to not leave a paper trail so these people were explicitly talking about how they were hiding this program how did you get access to that Zoom call because they were public they the entire medical school it was it was a medical student group who put on this conference so anyone could join there were like 150 people there and the grand yeah the grand lectures are open to every person textas children's every person Bor so you have like hundreds if not like over a thousand people who know the hospital said one thing but they're doing the exact opposite opposite thing behind closed doors and um so it took me months to make that conclusion because it's just so insane and tex right right of course of course well you know I talked to Michael shellenberger after he broke the W paath files and and Michael is obviously a journalist who he broke the Twitter files too uh him and tyby and uh and Barry Weiss I think was involved in that too so he's not a coward and he told me when we discussed the W paath Revelations that he had watched Abigail sh shrier and I talk about her book irreversible damage and the harm that gender affirming care care God I just I can't even use those words is doing to children and he said that he couldn't believe it it took him two years it took him two years to admit to what might be going on and you know it's obvious that you were suffering from the same conundrum and it's not that surprising right because watching something like that unfold is the sort of thing that makes you question your own sanity because you're forced into a position where you think well either I'm seeing what's going on and a thousand people are ignoring it even though it seems extremely pathological and illegal and antim medical and immoral and that that's casting a dim light on the entire profession or you're going to wonder if maybe there's something wrong with your the way you're looking at the world and both of those are really Stark and terrible choices and so it's not surprising it took you a number of months before you would be even fully admit to what was going on what was your emotional state like at that at that point you really look at who you are right like like who am I as a person right am am I really a doctor am I a surgeon because that was like the question that was a question that was going through my mind I never thought about I never answered that question before but because everything that happened during Co you know I was so angry every day I was angry and my wife would tell me like Aon you're angry my parents would tell me you're angry and I'm like a very not angry person by disposition like I never I never have been angry in the operating room and that's saying something you know for a surgeon to not be angry in the operating room but I was angry and I was because I hated to see what was happening to these people to these kids to to even these adults everyone because everyone was taking on these lies but people were being harmed by it people were dying alone these kids were suffering and I was seeing I was seeing it every single day so when I would come home I was angry but what I realized is that I was angry with myself because even though I'm at the bottom of the totem pool like I still have a responsibility if I'm a doctor I'm a surgeon I have to do something because my dad's a doctor and he always told me like you have to take care of your patients that's the most important thing above anything else but he also said you have to take care of the profession you have to be a good doctor you have to represent yourself well and I thought about everything he had told me and was I representing medicine like like surgery like was I being a doctor in that moment I thought if I don't do something about this I could never live with myself right you have the biggest Children's Hospital in the world lying to the public about a program that is manipulating mutilating and sterilizing young children you have probably hundreds if not a thousand people who know about it and I know about it so if I didn't do something right you know for my my wife's pregnant she's she's um uh my kids she's doing uh October my first girl she's going to be a daughter if if when she grows up and she looks back what is she G to think of her her father if I didn't do something and just let this happen because she's going to know so I thought had to do something and that was in January of 2023 where I I thought you know the reason I'm angry is because the shame Within Myself for not doing something so right I knew that there were risk I knew that there were 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going to pay for it um so that's the higher order principle that was in my mind that was driving that but also that but number two is something more more physical more granular is that there were kids being harmed that I could do something about it there were there were children who were an imminent threat of being harmed so uh how many how many second question a lot um I can't necessarily give you the exact numbers because what I saw was limited maybe probably hundreds a lot okay a lot yeah y but then then your first question is so I have this information right um I have to orient myself towards truth right in order to live but also to to fix this problem there's kids who are being going to be hurt um and I have the information but what do I do about it like I'm a no one right I'm like a I don't have social media I you know I'm I'm very private um you know like I live in a very small town now so I thought well we have to find someone who can do something about this so we just started reaching out to anyone everyone and anyone who who might do something about it um so it took us five months to get a hold of someone who would take this story and we reached out like tons of emails I just sent emails like emails to dozens of people who's us you said us that in terms of yeah me yeah okay fine fine I just wonder well the reason I asked well the reason I asked is because and this is useful maybe for anybody watching and listen is that one of the things that's useful to do if you ever find yourself in a situation like this is to see if there's a couple of other people around that you can trust that you can Ally with because it's relatively easy to fire one person but it's and to Piller them but it's it's a lot harder to do that with two and it's probably impossible to do it with four so but you were doing this you were doing this alone and why do you think you had to do it alone because the uh American academic medical system is like East Germany like no joke if there was a a you know a colleague who kind of thought the same way we would we would physically go to dark quiet corners and talk about these things right but no no it's it's uh um there is a culture of censorship and um uh fear that is very very real um and I can attest because I was there I lived through it um it's imaginable so no one's going to do anything like this and I I wouldn't want to necessarily involve people you know because um uh you know you you especially we sacrifice so much to get to that point I mean um you know many people would be uh that's why it's it's so easy for doctors to say I'm just not going to do anything I'm not g I'm gonna stay silent right but their calculus is incorrect um so yeah it was it it was during that time I just would send emails it's like news organizations I thought would be receptive to the story or journalists took me five months because I think people just didn't believe me well that may be part of the reason the other part of the reason might be that they're in a culture that's the same as yours you know because it's shocking look I know what you're saying already to some degree I mean I'm being investigated by my college in Ontario for daring to question the gods of the transgender movement primarily and so I know how pernicious and pervasive this is but I don't know the extent of it and it could easily be that if it's a movement of Silence that's infiltrated the medical and the psychological communities that it's no better in the world of especially in Legacy Media in fact maybe it's worse and that could easily be the case so who did you who did you reach out to just out of curiosity and then who finally responded yeah so I I won't I won't say the names of the organizations but these are the conservative organizations who would take a story like this you know so I I want I want to be you know uh uh um I want to have a degree of EX charitable yeah because you know they may have not believed me they had other things going on like I get it you know like I'm just some random guy who's like emailing them a bunch of times probably thing I'm some weirdo so um yeah understand but then you know after months I finally get in touch with Christopher rufo in like early to miday of 2023 and he demonstrated some interest in the story so we go through the vetting process to make sure I'm not you know I'm I'm a real person I'm a surgeon I work there that story is true and it was the perfect timing because I didn't know this at the time but the Texas Senate was voting on the bill to ban these interventions in the state of Texas like a week later so we go through this process to get the story ready and then the story comes out on May 16th 2023 and blows up in the news it's everywhere I think you even retweeted about it I I I if I uh remember correctly but the story does exactly what we hoped it would do right I was the anonymous whistleblower no one knew my name the story had outlined how the hospital had lied to the public and con not only continued the program but expanded it behind closed doors within 24 within 24 hours of that Story coming out the Texas Senate passed that bill with bipartisan support Banning the interventions that we had exposed and it was passed with bipartisan support partly because our story came out the day before because there were multiple Democrats who didn't know this kind of thing was happening in their districts and the reason I know that is because I spoke with the guy who wrote that law and he had told me that they had printed out physical copies of our story and handed out to every single member of the Texas Senate So within 24 hours of our story coming out this the conduct we had exposed was voted to become illegal in the in the state of Texas yeah well it was probably the case too that the Democrats that you're speaking of and the Republicans as well were also very loath to believe this you know I've talked to many Democrat congressmen and Senators uh especially at the federal level and especially the the Republicans are often blind to what's really going on let's say in higher education in the medical schools for example they're 10 years behind the time or 15 years behind the time but the Democrats are I would say willfully blind to the pervasiveness and danger of the radicals that are within their midst say for example that when someone like camela Harris says Equity that all she means is equality of opportunity which is complete bloody rubbish she uses a different word and if she's not smart enough to know the difference then she's too stupid to be vice president that's for sure and if she does know the difference then she's too ideologically corrupt to even be a proper citizen of the United States and so she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't as far as I'm concerned and the fact that the modern Democrats enable that kind of idiot ideology is it's unforgivable okay so you got a hold of Chris ruul and he brought the story forward you're anonymous at this point it it makes a legislative difference what happens at the hospital bring us forward from May 2023 so I'm Anonymous at this point no one knows who I am I'm so busy with surgery it's like nothing even happened uh a few days after after that another whistleblower comes out someone who worked in the transgender Clinic who actually worked with these doctors and was horrified by what was happening so this person comes out in uh Another Story released by Christopher rufo um few days later the Attorney General a few days after that announces an investigation to the hos hospital and then uh about a week and a half after the CEO of Texas Children says that he's going to shut down the program in accordance with sp14 after that everything goes quiet um that was May of 2023 I was getting ready to finish my residency my surgical training because that was my chief year of the program so you're doing you're doing all this while you're not even completely finished your medical training so this really is your introduction into modern medicine as it's practiced currently I can't believe I can't imagine how demoralizing that would be but it's for that reason I did it right it's it's because of I was seeing what was happening of course someone has to do something about it because if I want to pass on a career a profession to my children a world to my children I have to do it when it's the most difficult thing to do right it's like what option did I have so of course you know um but yeah and it's kind of funny to say that because it was on the day of my graduation from surgical training that the next part of the story where it gets gets really wild um because five weeks later the day I'm graduating from surgical training one of the most important days of my life right you spend all this time sacrificing you miss all these important events so it's a Friday June 23rd we have the ceremony in a couple of hours about to meet with my family my wife and I are just getting ready in our apartment when all the sudden uh I get an aggressive knock on the door I think man like that's weird like who could this be so I shuffle over I open it and standing outside are two federal agents with Health and Human Services they show me their Badges and tell me that they're investigating a case regarding medical records so in that moment everything just you freeze right your mind just shuts down and but in the back of my mind like you know in like my cerebellum somewhere you know I I just knew they were there to make an example out of me because I was Anonymous we were able to tell this story a bill got passed another whistleblower came out they had to shut down the program if I was able to do this how many other people were able to do this right it was a challenge to the dominant political ideology of course I knew that's kind of what was going on but you freak out in the moment so I invite them in so we sit down and they want so you figured that out right away you you basically figured that out right away how the hell did they know who you were given that the story had broke anonymously well they had most likely um uh used a huge amount of federal resources to pursue this investigation in that time to find out it was me they had to mobilize the agents uh um do an investigation right find all their evidence surveil me to find out when I was going to be home surveil me to find out when I was graduating find out where my address was and then come to my home a few hours before I was graduating so you know it's like when you think they timed that do you think they do you think they time that to coincide with your graduation and also who is they as far as you know like who obviously the hospital wouldn't be very happy with you because they had to shut down this program and then there are people pulling the strings behind the scenes to keep the program going but who do you believe or perhaps know was behind the investigation into the whistleblowing well you know who runs Health and Human Services and the FBI and the the um uh you know different legal organizations right that that want to see this pursued um so yeah you have the most powerful people in the country who I believe are behind this and I think the timing was was exactly what they were intending because they have to use the value of that accomplishment the meaning of that day as their method to extort the threat right they they they have to use that as the extortion of for my compliance because uh they know I'm starting my career in order to preserve that they they need to do that so that I comply with them I admit to something that never happened so that I can participate in some phony investigation and then close the door permanently for other whistleblowers in the country but as they're coming to find out you know they knocked on the wrong door because uh that day we decided to fight but you know when they were setting up there their you know little tripod to do an interview my wife comes out she was getting ready and luckily my wife is a brilliant attorney she's actually a assistant us attorney uh at the Department of Justice so my wife works at the Department of Justice she's a lawyer in the Northern District of Texas um she had been hired at the time and that's an important Point later in the story just kind of put that in the back of your mind but she comes out and we both look at each other and we'd say bad idea we go to our bedroom and we both say you know what not a good idea to speak with them without an attorney present we go back out and we tell them you know we won't speak with them further they say okay they pack up their things before leaving they hand me a Target letter and it's just a piece of paper that says uh I am a potential Target of a criminal investigation and it's signed by a assistant us attorney in the southern district of Texas so we knew that a few minutes after that door opened you know the door closes our lives are going to be changed CH forever because we had a choice just like before you know do we fight back do I fight back right um you know do I submit to this ideology do I uh uh compromise everything I believe in you know everything I believe my profession to be you know do I um uh you know compromise what was happening to these children so there was there was no question there was no way I would allow that to happen so um you know I decided to fight that day and we've been fighting ever since what do you think what do you think what do you think they wanted from you like they presumed I imagine or knew that you were The Whistleblower at that point and they came using these very sophisticated I would say and well thought through intimidation tactics extraordinarily well-timed I would say sadistically well-timed and U but you've already broken the story and so you've done most of the damage that you could do arguably what do you think they wanted from you at that point fear and compliance because they needed right it's like it's it's not the typical justice system right where it's these people who are who are actually pursuing the truth in order to obtain Justice this is the exact opposite when you become a target of a corrupt justice system investigation people believe that when you comply when you give into them you're actually going to make make it better for yourself but it's the exact opposite because it's their virtue it's the truth that that they are targeting it's it's uh so you believe that your participation right if you're innocent will exonerate you but it's the exact opposite it's because you're because you're innocent because you're virtuous that they're targeting you in the first place and I knew that at that point because I was able to see all these investigations over the previous couple of years where this was happening so at that point I already had the framework in my mind like this is a corrupt Department of Justice what kind of in what kind of Investigations are you referring to that you had seen over the previous years if if you think about the the main uh political investigations into uh political opponents of the democratic party over the past four years so for example if you look at um uh anyone who spoke out during co uh if you look at Douglas Mackey if you look at uh abortion Bia yeah Bia if you look at the abortion protesters who are being sent to prison for 10 20 years for the face act for sitting in front of a a um a clinic right you know your compliance does not exonerate you right it's because your because of your innocence because of your virtue that you're being targeted in the first place so I knew that it was obvious so I still don't exactly understand what okay say they wanted your compliance but compliance with regard to what for you to retract your accusations you're telling me that you knew that complying wasn't going to help you but I still don't understand exactly what they hope to accomplish 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back in the future okay so what exactly did they accuse you of so at that point completely unclear and that where that's where it goes into the next part of the story but I think it's it's yeah it's the point where they needed to make things example out of me they needed to make me into a criminal right because if they could do that of course they shut the door permanently to every other whistleblower in the Health Care system in our country yeah they shut it per well they discredit you too exactly right and that's that's going to be very convenient because you know you you could imagine that the that Ken Paxton for example and the rest of the Texican Republicans aren't going to take the rebellion of the Texas Children's Hospital and their lies lying down and so you play a pivotal role in that their best strategy is to discredit you and turn you into a criminal obviously okay so so continue with the story let it let it continue to unfold yep so uh after that right what do we do right so my wife and I we had the graduation we go on our patio and we celebrate so we put on Vietnam war music we open a ball of champagne and we celebrate because at that point what do you do um and uh well good for you so you went on with the celebration of course yeah yeah huh yeah no we had and and it was kind of one of those moments where you look back you're like oh my God like that's completely insane but like what else could you do right when when the federal government comes knocking at your door right you have to fight back well I also think when you're shocked when you're shocked like that you tend to revert to what would be typical in habitual Behavior you know cuz you don't know what else to do I mean what the hell do you do when the feds come knocking at your door because you've blown the whistle on people in your in your children's hospital who are mutilating kids like that's a nightmare that's really Beyond Comprehension and so it's not like you're going to know how to react yeah and and it was at that point that where it's like once you cross the the Rubicon you know you're no you're you're never going to go back to that life that that you become this new person like you're entering this unknown world where you it's you don't know what what it's going to be right it's it's like complete darkness but you know you have faith it's the right place to go so um we got in touch with uh our attorneys right through Christopher rufo brilliant people uh Marcel Burke she's amazing she's a fighter so we knew she was the right person for the case over the next couple of months we go into like this state of legal Purgatory where I we have no idea what's going on what they're investigating anything because right we had exposed that the hospital was lying they were doing something that they acknowledged held criminal liability right it's like I'm a whistleblower I had made this public a log got pass within 24 hours like what could they be potentially doing but it was over the next six months that uh the corruption we saw coming from the Department of Justice was so severe that I had no choice but to take this story public um because I had no intention of doing this you know we moved to a very small town and I work in an even smaller town we just wanted to to get on with our lives you know like you know have have a family you know uh you know operate on my patients and take care of them um but it was during those six months where we knew that I would be destroyed if I stayed silent um and that's why I took my story public but to to outline that a little bit more after I took my story public in January of 2024 6 months after my attorney had sent a letter to Congress outlining that misconduct um in a letter to Jim Jordan and just to give you example of a few things you know oh yes so the misconduct you're speaking of the misconduct sorry you're speaking of the misconduct of the Department of Justice officials specifically yeah yeah okay and the misconduct you're referring to is does is it limited to their intervention in your case and their IL defined threats towards you or were there more things you said that you became aware of more corruption so obviously they came to intimidate you at with ill for ill formed and false charges and obviously that's bad enough but you alluded to the fact that you discovered other things as well yeah well it was it was um the the interactions between my attorney and the prosecut my attorneys and the prosecutor and it was so shocking that my attorneys felt obligated to blow the whistle themselves in this letter so it was uh for example okay yeah so the the prosecutor you know in this letter says that she was going to bring me to a jury trial even if she was going to lose even on a technicality and what that means is if there's no crime then you just pursue it if you're going to lose the implication being right the belief is that they're doing this to an innocent person because I had blown the whistle right so they're essentially telling us this they had threatened my wife my wife was undergoing a background check to uh for the Department of Justice and you know during uh uh those instances you know in this letter it says that um uh one of the first things I was brought up was that um she uh uh says well you know I'm surprised Andrea would interfere with an investigation like this um you know she she won't have any pro she won't have any issues unless she continues to become a problem and what she was referring to was my wife advising me of my constitutional rights not only that you know it's also uh saying I had no right to blow the whistle that it from for you know my job as a doctor it it was not my job to to blow the whistle on what was happening that if I um had an issue I should have just stood outside with a sign and it was it was over those months where you know I made the conclusion these people are going to come after me no matter what no matter what I did you well you said something very relevant is like I told you earlier that shellenberger had a hard time believing what shrier and I had discussed and then I've also and so that just shows you how difficult it is for people to believe what's actually going on but then also it's the case that when someone like you pops up or arguably someone like me say in relationship specifically to the Ontario College of psychologists it's a lot easier for everyone to assume that you're a troublemaker or that I'm a troublemaker that there's something fundamentally wrong with us and that the institution that we're criticizing couldn't possibly be that corrupt and like that impulse to demonize The Whistleblower is valid when institutions are mostly sane and have integrity and our institutions were mostly sane and had Integrity until quite recently and what that also implies is that it's very hard for anyone to overcome their suspicion of let's say someone like you when I first heard about your case in detail I had tweeted you out a year ago or so as you pointed out but I became more aware of what was going on with you again in recent months there's this little part of the back in the back of my mind thinking oh this guy he's probably just a Troublemaker he's probably just a narcissist you know because even though I know that that could well be not true right and I have more reason to know that than most people and so what that also implies is that moving ahead with a case against you is perfectly it's a perfectly logical strategic move even if they know you're innocent and if it's doomed to failure because the mere fact that you'll be dragged through the courts is enough to have 25% of of people or 50% of people write you off as probably a criminal you know where there's smoke there's fire there's no way you would be being prosecuted if you hadn't done something wrong so it's a very smart strategy yeah and and especially it's especially smart because there's going to be no consequences for them right they can bring this case right it's based on nothing and they will become princes and and princesses in this new Empire of lies right they're they're uh um uh loyalty to the cause to go after an innocent person is like their own blood sacrifice if they can protect this evil ideology if they can protect the harming of these children then they are demonstrated to be um you know loyal subserviant but then I thought it's like like people are waking up to it right like people are seeing the justice system for what it is like this is a corrupt investigation this whole thing is corrupt and I'm going to be destroyed right or Worse especially when you think about what's happened to other whistleblowers right like in Boeing's case where yeah right no kidding if you're a problem so I thought the only way to survive this you know both theoretically and possibly physically is to tell this story because it's going to happen either way yeah right so yeah okay so so let me ask you again here so you mentioned earlier who was leading the charge in the legal battle against you so let's return to that for a minute because in so far as it's possible and correct I would like the people who are doing this not to be hidden now you mentioned uh Assistant Attorney General in the south of Texas is that the person who's pursuing this case yep yep and and people who is that yeah is that uh people can can find it you know if if they're interested they can find out who that person is okay okay fine fine so we'll leave it at that all right and so and so why are you loath to make the name public now just out of I'm not going to pressure you I'm just curious no just out of caution you and and also just for that okay okay yeah okay that's fine that's fine all right so oh and you mentioned pack I believe it was Paxton's or maybe the Senate's Proclamation that the practices that the children Hospital were engaging in were could be construed as criminal you know I'm curious at a international crimes level because I think there's every reason to assume that the sterilization and mutilation of children is actually a crime against humanity it's not a mere form of criminal activity mere and I do believe I mean I'm not a lawyer and that's a problem but I read the relevant description of what constitutes crime against humanity and if this doesn't qualify then well either my comprehension is addled or or the legislation is written badly those are the options as far as I can tell and you know just to take a little detour for a second you know I would I would actually challenge that right like Dr Pearson um uh would you I I would say that this is already a crime right it's always been a crime if a patient comes into my clinic right I was I was doing surgery earlier today I was I'm in clinic tomorrow someone comes into my clinic and they say Dr Heim right I I uh I'm um so overweight right I I'm so overweight I need a gastric sleeve um and uh uh you know they say it's my body image I need this surgery I need it because I you need to affirm who I am but they're they're skinny right if and they BMI is like 15 right if I were to operate on that person and do a gastric sleeve right because they told me that I lose my license I go to prison What's Happening Here is no different but it's worse because right right yeah so it's it's our overt window our Overton window has shifted for this one single issue everywhere else it's correct but because this was infused from with politics from the beginning our Overton window has shifted all we have to do is shift and you already well all you already showed too though in your earlier description is the Overton window for what constituted acceptable medical evidence shifted terribly during the pandemic and that set the stage for this next sequence of Lies the fact that we've accepted the shift of that Overton window with regard to Medical Practice in this one domain means for sure it's going to shift in other ways right you can see this happening already there are already papers being published in psychological journals um disputing the validity of the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder for example and now it's not surprising that the borderline personality disordered people are pushing that agenda because that's exactly what you'd expect from people with borderline personality disorder but it's definitely an indication of the increasing politicization of the diagnostic and counseling clinical slmed Enterprise right and so once you get some of that poison in the system it's not going to just sit there it's going to disseminate through the whole system okay so now how by this point now you're in January you've sent this letter to Jim Jordan walk us through the letter and then what his response was if you would yeah so um the say who Jim Jordan is too for people because lot everyone will know yeah so Jim Jordan is um a congressman who is the chairman of the house subcommittee on the weaponization of the Department of Justice he's a patriot he's a great guy um we had released this letter the letter had outlined this profound misconduct that um the letter says that um the prosecutor didn't even know the details of the case before sending agents to my home despite the fact that she didn't know the details of the case she did enough research to find out my wife was undergoing a background check and use that as a threat you know that the letter says that um you know I had no right to blow the whistle I had no right to try to protect these kids who were being harmed the letter says that they were going to take me to a jury trial even if they were going to lose even if it's on a technicality indicating that the law doesn't matter to them that they're going to do whatever they want whenever they want to whoever they want and it was at that point that I knew for sure as an absolute fact that I had to do something so we sent that letter uh that was after I took my story public and the reason I took it public you know as I said before was because once you tell the story publicly the corruption becomes self-evident because it's what and what you said earlier it's like when people hear it like they naturally think man there's this guy's probably criminal he's probably a scumbag but like I wouldn't let them Define the story if I'm going to go through this it's going to be on my terms right I'm not going to let them Li that's a better strategy that's a better strategy definitely I'm not going to let them lie just like they have everything else to to manipulate to cheat to coers in this case I have control even though you know everyone would think I'm like the one who's least in control when you're the focus of a investigation by a corrupt Department of Justice you think you're not in control but you have all the control because the only way for them to maintain their legitimacy is through your compliance right but it's only through your compliance that you get destroyed so I took the story public and the reason was just to to protect myself but also because the story is meaningless unless there's offense right and most of our politicians aren't doing it right most of the people who are who we we elect to Representatives aren't doing it there's some good ones but now it's our responsibility right and and during those six months where I was Anonymous we had spent over $250,000 all of our savings our investments everything like we're broke we're going to be broke for a long time that's that's okay but we had gone on the offense too you know to try to defend these bills to try to develop cases not only to protect whistleblowers but also to to um uh make sure this doesn't happen in the future but um uh so I come out in January of 2024 with my story publicly over the next few months until June a week and a half ago I'm just public right I you know uh I was working as a surgeon at the time I'm so walk us through that walk walk us through that you you was you brought it out publicly with Chris rufo again and then what happened to the story yeah well it's it kind of blew up you know it was it was um like my whole world kind of turned inside out in some ways but then in many ways it was just completely normal because I go to work I see my patients I operate and and I just do that and I'm very busy but then there's this other world where it's like this thing is hanging over my head where you you we still have no idea what's going to happen right but we wanted to be able to tell the story right to make sure that people knew the truth so you know um you know I did interviews with Tucker car who have you talked who have you yeah yeah yeah yeah like Carlson who else Tucker Carlson Dr Phil um uh John Papo dad Saves America um Laura Ingram um I mean so many people it's so many M Stell Mali um uh and and I know probably missing a lot uh Kyle sarapin the FBI whistleblower um really really good people um Gaye against groomers as I talk to them um really good people and um I actually got the wpath files before it came out from shellenberger team because it was a few months after now I read I believe that there are four charges specific charges pending against you now is that the case that they have something to do with illegal access of medic medical records can you do us a favor and and like steal man the charges against you so that we understand what case they're trying to build what are they claiming that you did now you said it was very amorphous to begin with and that the prosecutor hadn't even really reviewed the case before she sent the agents to your house I presume that they've sharpened the case now they've sharpened the dagger and so I I've heard that you're facing like a very high fine and actually a fairly extensive potential prison sentence something in the neighborhood of 10 years so so walk us through that if you would MH yeah so over this these six months right I have no idea what's going on but June 4th so not too long ago three Federal uh US Marshals heavily armed show up to my door at 7 am. right another show of force and hand yeah yeah oh yeah for sure for sure yeah um you know bulletproof vests guns everything um so they hand me indictment saying that I am uh being charged with four felonies this past Monday two days or yeah a few days ago um the indictment was unsealed because I'm facing this trial I can't talk about the indictment in any detail um you know just just out of caution out of prudence uh you know there's people people people can read it themselves but the the one thing I will say where would they find it and then walk us through it yep um so yeah I unfortunately I can't go through the and it's it's related to yeah yeah it's related to Hippa but the one thing I will say is that um you know people can find it at like the Us doj website there's like a press release about it um and you know there's stories written in um different uh media uh journals um I can't think of anyone off the top of my head but um the one thing I will say about it know I is is my reaction to it right because on Monday when the indictment was unsealed when I read it for the first time I had two emotions right in the first one sounds odd but it was um Vindication right almost a degree of relief where I thought my heart was going to sink but then I read it and I was like oh my God like these the these charges are as divorced from reality as the interventions they're trying to cover up so it's you know you know I had that that same experience you know Last Christmas I have 13 charges against me now they're not criminal charges but they're charges that would culminate in me either being re-educated which is what I'm hypothetically sentenced to now or losing my license right so now um I had to review all 13 charges last Christmas and that was quite an onerous task as you can imagine there's like 30 pages of documentation per charge so that's like 400 pages of charges and you know um I have a bit of a guilty conscience as a temperamental feature and so I suppose I regarded myself the same way I might regard another troublemaker and think well you know maybe I did something wrong that I haven't paid attention to and so I was leery about going through these charges but what happened took me 3 days what happened at the end was two things I was relieved and I was my jaw was dropped further open at the sheer magnitude of the incompetence and stupidity of my opponents the things they charged me of were with were first of all virtues I came away from that thinking oh well you know if these are the people I'm up against fundamentally there's no real problem so I can understand your paradoxical emotion as a consequence of reviewing the charges even though it's a pain in the neck and it's hyper expensive as you've already discovered and you know they can do me reputational damage as they can do you you know it's it's funny you say relief because that's that's what it is you know but um because you look at it you're like this can't be real but I don't think it's incompetence it's not incompetence right because there's no way the most powerful Federal investigative Agency on this planet can be so incompetent this is intentional just like in your case right and I knew so at first right it's like I feel a degree of relief Vindication this is a political prosecution like I said you know I knew it was the right thing to take this story public to tell it so that people knew the truth but then the second thing was just this visceral fear right this visceral visceral fear because I know that I face 10 years in prison I might miss the birth of my first daughter right she's do in October I can lose everything I've ever worked for right I could lose everything we've already lost everything we've ever you know saved up all of our investments our retirement everything but the thought on Monday of standing in front of that judge right where um you know you have these other people who are in there and then you know these cocaine traffickers and you know some people who are pedophiles then I'm there too right and um there's fear there's a visual visual fear but then there's that but there's also one thing more right it's like this fear of what happens if I don't fight back if we don't push forward the fear of kneeling to this ideology of submitting to these corrupt vicious people who want to take away all the virtues that makes this country great because it's like these are things in the physical world that they can do to us but there's something I believe that's beyond that that there's that's something that transcends what happens in our lives and if I submit to this I fear what happens then so even though I'm scared of what I face moving forward what kind of world is my daughter going to have if I don't do something about it we have to do something now so it's you know since then you know there's fear but but there's there's resolve right we have to fight we have to stand up we have to make this right because if if we don't then what kind of we say we we love our children we're willing to sacrifice for them but what does that mean like are we really willing to sacrifice for our kids if we're not willing to do something like this do we really love our kids if we're not willing to to stand up for them in this way to sacrifice you know every part of ourselves no you can't say you I I don't believe that I believe that the if you love your children the only way to really love them is to sacrifice for them and if that means sacrificing was happening to me then then I'll take this fight so let let me ask you another question here if that's okay so this is just a practical question and then I'll ask something that's more conceptual to how is it that you're still practicing um I work with good people the best people um and I'm a good doctor I'm a good surgeon right before I did this interview you know it it sounds it might be hard to believe but I mean I a very very complicated surgery yeah but I'm amazed they haven't suspended has haven't suspended you or or done something to Trump up a situation that makes it impossible for you to continue you know I'll tell you what there's one thing I realized right once I took my story public you you think you're C you you think you're going into this world that is Darkness right that you're going to be destroyed that everyone's going to come after you and um you think you're going to lose everything but then what I realize that it's the exact opposite right um where uh you gain everything where you meet the best people in the world where people from all over the world will support you where um uh you can live for the first time with dignity you can look at yourself in the mirror and you could say um you know I'm not lying to myself I can call myself a doctor but this is true this is not something that is is is not real right and um uh people understand that right people can see that like he told this story he took a risk with telling the story and and he might what whatever he faces right but he told the story and you know what people have been willing to stand behind me and that includes my patients the people I work with and um it's the most amazing thing because uh you know you know the day the federal agents came you know of course it was crazy I had to take like an hour or two to like you know recollect myself but I went to work I rounded all like 20 patients sick patients I operated because that's my job I have to take care of these people no matter what and it doesn't mean anything if if I don't do that because I believe I was put on this Earth to take care of sick people so no matter what happens I have to do that so um I'm still working because I I think that people understand that people understand more what this what's happening to this country right they understand what this is and they understand my story because it's happening to other people it's happening to me they know it's going to happen to them next next question what were your political beliefs and your degree of political involvement before you started to see the ideological corruption and cowardice emerge in the medical profession were you a political person and if so where would have you placed yourself on the political Spectrum you know I I think like uh like so many um kind of prominent or like a lot of people and I think yourself included I was a big time Lefty for a long time um up until about college um you know you know I I kind of just you you become part of this millu right this social cultural educational millu where your natural state is just to be on the left so that's where I was but it was in my 20s that um I kind of started to wake up to what was happening in the world and a lot of it was because of Israel like my family's from Israel you know my my dad's from Iraq they're Iraqi Jews and they moved to Israel in the beginning my mom is German she's Christian but she converted that's where she met my dad she moved to Israel and they met but um it kind of started this this kind of my eyes started to open you know over the next decade you know between like 2122 and like now where and it was also during that time I just started reading like hundreds and hundreds of books about history and and fiction and everything politics economics and um because I always thought I read I would read these books and I thought like our lives are so tame right they're they're we live in such a privileged time that nothing like this is ever going to happen you know reading stories about World War II and and before and and you know like what my family had to go through in Israel or in Germany um and uh I thought that it would never happen right but then um over the next couple really you know since 2020 I I thought Everything's changed right now now people like us are in the center of those stories and what we what I thought would never happen in my lifetime is now happening but one thing I always remember from those stories is that the people that there's there's no lying to yourself there's no giving in and getting away with it because the truth will will always Prevail it might take you might have to sacrifice your life you might have to sacrifice a lot but in those cases the truth always prevails and people always remember the people who did the right thing when it was the most difficult thing to do so I kind of made that transformation towards becoming more conservative um but yeah for a long time I was a a big old Lefty so I'm I'm curious Dr he I've spent an ungodly amount of money fighting off the bureaucrats from the Ontario College of psychologists it's it's ridiculous and so luckily I suppose I have the money um although that's not just luck I might point out um but I don't understand how you're managing this you said you already spent all your savings and and and and all your money at hand something approximating $250,000 how in the world are you funding it and is there anything people can do to help uh yeah so ever since the agents came to my home June 23rd 2023 we knew we had to take this case forward so we were funding funding it uh completely by ourselves so we spent at this point over probably almost $300,000 at this point um everything we've ever invested all of our savings all of our retirement every paycheck we get goes to it and I don't say that as as like a victim because to be ble to fight this it's a privilege to be able to fight for a future for our children but uh if people do want to help you know the fund we need it you know we absolutely need it to fight this case in federal trial uh it's going to be upwards of a million dollars and if they do want to donate they can go to conservatively gend go.com texor whistleblower and it's the most amazing thing to see you know how many people have come out in support you know every single message every single donation my wife and I we read it every single night every single message we read it multiple times because it's like like I said before where it's like this this world that you think you're going into you think it's darkness and you think you're going to be destroyed but there's actually this entire world where um that there's people who are willing to support you and and um but but we need to fight uh and that's where we're going to do and there's no way that I'm I'm going to dishonor the sacrifices of everyone whove donated to our legal fund well that's one of the mysteries of telling the truth is that you end up being surrounded by people who have devoted themselves to telling the truth and that's a really good deal okay so let's close with this uh when when we go over to the Daily wire side everybody watching and listening I'm going to spend another half an hour with Dr Heim on The Daily wire side I think what we're going to talk about there rather than the autobiographical attack that I often take and I think what we talk about is why he thinks specifically the transgender madness has taken over the clinical and medical world because there's other ways the LIE could have gone so we're going to delve into that a bit more what I would like to close this part with unless there's something else specifically that you'd like to bring up that we haven't covered is what the hell is going to happen next to you what do you think is going to happen and what what do you want to have happen what's your plan so what happens from here is we fight we go to trial we have to win because if we don't the ability for people in American Healthcare to blow the whistle that door will be closed forever um I have to do it for my profession I have to do it for for my children we have to do it for them because they're the ones who are in most imminent risk of of their lives being unalterably changed and you know like like how much I look forward to seeing my daughter and having children this is being taken away from them at the time when they at least understand the ability the the the implications of their actions when they least understand the consequences okay so you alluded earlier too something I just want to get straight I saw I think his name is chank ugar he's one of The Young Turks uh particularly well we won't get into that he claimed the other day on uh on Pierce Morgan that it's a very very small number of children if any that this is happening to but you made the case earlier in the podcast that at the Texas Children's Hospital alone it was something in the Run of hundreds that are at least being put on puberty blockers and that's no trivial thing that hormonal intermediation the idea that that's fully reversible is absolute bloody nonsense but do you have a sense of just what mag itude this problem is and then of what the magnitude is in terms of the full movement towards surgical intervention among specifically among miners let's say I know that the rate the diagnosis rate has gone way up it's now at minimum thousands and thousands of children who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria but I'm this is more specific on the medical side being administered hormonal interventions and then I I know once that happens the probability of progressing to sword surgery is quite high so what kind of numbers do you think we're looking at here so I want to answer your question in two ways so specifically the numbers I would say hundreds of thousands and it's important for people to understand that once these children are being put in this position right they become a chronic medical patient for life because pu blockers are not reversible right and and especially because by their own protocol they shut off any exit ramp they shut off any alternative because any alternative is prevented by the threat of their own suicide they're blackmailed into one pathway forward so they're not meant to be on Pub blockers for a short period of time like I would implant puberty blockers in kids who actually had precocious puberty this early onset when they're like six years old they start you know having Sons but you take them out right when they become you know 11 12 13 years old but in this case they're meant to block the entirety of puberty then hormones then surgery but the reason we can't give you an EXA exact number is because there's there's illicit uses of drugs over the internet right right for everyone right yes but then I want I want to answer your question a second way because those are numbers those are just statistics the after I took my story public I got in touch with like this underground network of mothers and fathers in Dallas these people reached out to me uh um because they wanted to involve me in what they were doing these are mothers and fathers who've had a child affected by this people like me and you right many of them are classical liberals conservatives but their kids have been taken in by this transgender ideology and there there was no network for them so these this underground network of parents had formed like in the shadows like they all Ed signal they're like very shadowy but they they have a huge amount of impact behind the scenes like they they work on legislation they work on bills it's amazing but I recently went to a meeting at one of their homes I'm very close with one of them I I can't even say her name because they they none of them want to be public but these people are I've never heard stories like this I mean it's you know um but they would tell me stories about their kids and um you know whether they're in high school or middle school or if they're older and how they got groomed by a you know a counselor a friend someone online and they come to him one day and say I'm transgender I need these drugs and then a lot of them you know they don't know what to do right and and they lose their children so they tell these stories about how these children are gone they haven't talked to them in years some of them are being trafficked some of them you know have lost their jobs they're addicted to drugs but you see the pain in their eyes right that the the person they love the most is gone forever that the things they wanted for for their children is gone forever so when when Chen yuger says that this is only a few kids first of all that's not true but these statistics they have faces right this is a person this is a mother and a father this is a brother and a sister these are people who've lost a person they love love the most and it's yeah or this is a young woman like like Khloe Cole who no longer has breasts and will never recovered from her surgery yeah right and I it's not obvious to me how many children you need like that before actually you should pay a little bit of attention and the answer to that might be one so only a few is not much of a bloody defense as far as I'm concerned because none is the right amount like seriously and when you see every surgery it's not just the surgery and surgery is horrific enough especially for healthy BR like I do you I do I do these surgeries and we do it for cancer right we do it for a reason and and to think that I would take a patient to an operating room with healthy breast and just take him off is horrific but it's um it's the surgery itself but it's everything that comes after that and that's why I learned from these parents because it's the day to day of of Anguish of depression of like this existential crisis of never knowing who you are and your family goes through that suffering too and they're put on this road from the very beginning from they're 11 12 years old and it's like one day they wake up they look in the mirror and they think you know what's happened to me and and the people who are the people who are supposed to love me were the ones who are supposed to protect me but these were the people you know the on well but you know there's that on that too see one of the things I found most reprehensible about all of this the biggest lie in all of this was well would you rather have a live trans child or a dead child right this insistence that two parents that if they dared voice opposition to this absolutely barbaric and unconscionable medical process that they were basically dooming their children to death I really I've studied atrocity for a very long time and I've listened to and read things that were so terrible that it took me a long time to recover and I swear I don't know if I've ever come across anything worse than the LIE that if you don't facilitate your child's sterilization and mutilation you're responsible for their death that is that's like owitz level brutality and worse there's no excuse for it it's prison for those people it's the most evil lie told in the history of medicine because when you think about in the past right I think that's right in the past when people were harmed by doctors they would never have had the audacity to make it so so that the people they were harming would would appear that it was the doctors who were harming them were their salvation that's never been done in the history that's right even the Nazis even the Nazis hid their crimes that's right that's right even the people who were being harmed in those camps knew that these doctors were not helping them but in this case what they're saying is that we are your salvation but what they're doing is is they actually their existential destruction because these children are born perfect they're they're and and they're perfect people right and and they're going to grow up it's hard but it's those challenges that you go through during that time that make you who you are and they're taking that away from them yeah they didn't they didn't even tell they didn't even tell Khloe Cole that body dysmorphia is a standard symptom of juvenile of mild juvenile depression the most obvious psychological fact right the sort of thing that any counselor who was trained at all or who wasn't outright lying would have said to her first was never told to her at all and that's the depth of lies that the Therapeutic Community Therapeutic Community is engaged in when they're allies to the trans butchers so and and is it uh uh should we be parsing between the differences of of this study versus that study when this is accessible to basic Universal human logic which is really the foundation of medicine if someone's if someone's bleeding you stop the bleed right if if if uh um uh you have a confused young child you do not give him Cancer drugs hormones and you don't operate on them right you you tell them to love who they are absolutely all right sir well that's a good and terrible place to end and so for all of you watching and listening you can join us on the daily wire plus side for that discussion thank you very much sir thank you [Music]