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AI, ChatGPT, and Language Models

[Music] by night brother how are you good to see you my friend yeah hey uh what have your people done you're you're AI people with this [ __ ] chat GPT [ __ ] this scares the [ __ ] out of me what's your people what do you mean your favorite people you're wacky coders what have you done yeah super interesting fascinating language models I don't know if you know what those are but that's the general systems that uh on July child GPT and GPT they've been progressing over the past maybe four years aggressively there's been a lot of development gpt-1 gpt2 gpt3 uh gbt 3.5 and Chad gbt there's a lot of interesting technical stuff that maybe we don't want to get into sure let's get into it well I'm fascinated by it it's a chat GPT is based on fundamentally on a 175 billion uh parameter neural network that is gpt3 and the rest is what data is it trained on and how is it trained so you already have like a brain a giant neural network and it's just trained in different ways so Chad uh GPT 3 came out about two years ago and it was like impressive but dumb in a lot of ways it was like you would expect as a human being for it to generate certain kinds of text and it was like saying kind of dumb things that were off and you're like all right this is really impressive but it's not quite there you can tell it's not intelligent and what they did with uh GPT 3.5 is they started adding more and different kinds of data sets there one of them probably the smartest neural network currently is codex which is fine-tuned for programming like it was it was uh trained on code on programming code and when you train a programming code which chat GPT is also you're teaching it something like reasoning because it's no longer information and knowledge from the Internet it's also reasoning you can like logic even though you're looking at code programming code is you're looking at me like what the [ __ ] is he talking about no no no no that's not what I'm looking at I'm looking at you like oh my God but reasoning is a in order to be able to stitch together sentences that make sense you not only need to know the facts that on July those sentences you also have to be able to reason yeah and we think of it we take it for granted as human beings that we can do some common sense reasoning like like this war started at this date and ended at this date therefore it means that uh like the start and the end has a meaning there's a temporal consistency there's a cause and affect all of those things are inside programming code by the way a lot of stuff I'm saying we still don't understand we're like intuiting why this works so well really these are the intuitions yeah there's a lot of stuff they're not clear so chat so GPT 3.5 which Chad GPT is likely based on there's no paper yet so we don't know exactly the the details but it was just trained on on code and more data that's able to give it some reasoning then this is really important it was fine-tuned in a supervised Way by human labeling small data set by human labeling of here's what we would like this network to generate here's the stuff that makes sense here's the kind of dialogue that makes sense here's the kind of answers to questions that make sense it's basically pointing this giant Titanic of a neural network into the right direction that aligns with the way human beings think and talk so it's not just using the giant wisdom of uh Wikipedia and just I can talk about what data sets this train on but just basically the internet it was pointed in the wrong direction so this uh supervised labeling allows it to point in the right direction to when it says [ __ ] you're like holy [ __ ] that's pretty smart so that that's the alignment and then they did uh something really interesting is using reinforcement learning uh based on labeling data from humans this that's quite a large data set the task is the following you have this smart DPT 3.5 thing generate a bunch of text and humans label which one seems the best so ranking like you ask it a question uh for example you could do uh generate a joke instead of Joe Rogan right and you have a label that has five options and you have a label as I mentioned dick and [ __ ] I don't know how exactly but uh so you get it to rank the the human label is just over just sitting there there's a very large number of them they're working full-time they're labeling the ranking of the outputs of this model and that kind of ranking used together with a technique called reinforcement learning is able to get this thing to generate very impressive to humans output so it's not actually there's not a significant breakthrough in how much knowledge was learned that was already in gpt3 and there was much more impressive models already trained so it's on the way not just open AI but this kind of fighting fine tuning is called by human labelers plus reinforcement learning you start to get like like where uh students don't have to write essays anymore in high school yeah where you can style transfer like I said uh do a uh Louis CK joke install Joe Rogan or Joe Joe Rogan joke in the style of Lucy K and does an incredible job at those kinds of style transfers you can uh more accurately query things about the different historical events all that kind of stuff holy [ __ ] man the the idea that you don't exactly know why it works the way it works that that's too close to human that's too close to human thinking like you know what this eerily is is eerily similar to the plot of ex machina when he's talking about how he coded the brain do you remember that that plot the uh that that scene uh that scene when he was yeah no the gentleman who's the what's the gentleman's name the actor the dude's badass really good really good actor Isaac yeah Isaac great casting Isaac he's amazing Alex Carlin the director somebody I got Oscar Isaac he's a Star Wars yeah no the that movie was one it's one of my top tens I love that movie but that scene where he's just it's below John Wick one two and three well three of us I'm not a fan of three three didn't have any muscle cars still worse than sent to a woman gone oh that's worse than said which one John Wick three or one how dare you all of them it's silly man movies yeah you ever watch them when you're on a treadmill though no motivation yeah it's constant action you ever watch him a hundred times I try to which apparently you have well I was trying to win a bet all right you know Rocky is better I think for that really I'm a sucker for Rocky the whole the whole all the whole soundtrack The the can't get over the bad fight scenes all the bad fight scenes I can't my disconnect it won't allow that have you seen the montages recently no they're cheesy as hell and they still work because he's doing the kind of Fitness he's doing he's doing like pull-ups and like he's doing the silliest stuff even Drago it's it's silly anyway it's just it's so there's so much corny to the actual physical confrontations sure like as an analyst you know I'm like come on it doesn't work like this which is the interesting things about ex machina for me as a somebody who knows about Ai and Robotics it doesn't the corny signal doesn't what is this so this is the one where he's in Russia doing the old school training he's running in the snow jogging in the snow and that's supposed to be badass and then the other dude Drago is using machines and computers and [ __ ] and okay that's where I found out about the Versa climber I'm like that's got to be the most [ __ ] high-tech way to work out ever we have one of those they're the [ __ ] you ever used one no oh it's brutal they're hard but that movie's dumb as [ __ ] out of here oh look I like though cold exposure doing a little crawling pulling sleds all good um you see how they mimic each other one of them's old school old school's always better yeah you don't want computers technology and [ __ ] you want to do with a log out there in the [ __ ] snow doing press-ups yeah yeah the technology can mimic that well mimic the romance of Nature and humanness that's the whole point 100 of ex machina is doing right yes that's what's scary and then in this um well that that scene where um she gets him to fall in love with her it's just it's so creepy when she comes back with clothes on and she's got a wig and you're like oh my God like it's so subtle like it's so well done the scene is so well done yeah but that's what Chad GPD is doing yeah they're real it's real close Duncan sent me uh a series of course Duncan he's using it right now while we're talking I'm sure Duncan's on it but he sent me this uh series of jokes that were done one uh me talking about aliens it's not exactly like how I would talk and then uh it was Mitch Hedberg doing a joke about something and you know he you could like ask it to do uh different ones oh yeah here it is okay yeah oh like so you do a Mitch Hedberg joke it goes uh I was gonna stay overnight at my friend's place he said you're gonna have to sleep on the floor damn gravity you got me again you know how badly I want to sleep on the wall that sounds exactly like a mitch headboard it's a pretty good joke or a good start of a joke that's like exactly like a Mitch Hedberg joke that's creepy as [ __ ] man yeah that's creepy as [ __ ] maybe you could give it to bands when they fall off like you lose you lose something you're losing something guys like you got to get back to what you were before you guys had a hunger when in 1978 that you for whatever reason it slipped through your fingers and now you go like Rolling Stone songs yeah just imagine if GPT wrote it they could if they perform it and they don't rewrite anything about you they can have some hits bro the stones stayed strong with great new songs deep in the 80s yeah you really gotta be and they probably like who's like the most prolific of those Mega bands in terms of the duration in terms of duration yeah the most prolific in terms of also uh new songs and new albums the audio is a little weird oh it's like robotic What audio uh maybe it's through the headphones this one that we're listening to right now yeah yeah that's true bro your [ __ ] circuits are rewired it's like uh you've got a new program you're not used to it it's kind of cool actually I don't I like I feel like it's in the 80s uh video how far away are we from something like chat GPT being impossible to detect whether or not it's a person or whether it's chat GPT well it depends who is playing with it I think we're not that far away in terms of capability but in order to use these systems and rather in order to train these systems you have to be a large company and large companies tend to get scared when it's doing interesting stuff really well they tend to want to even currently we chat GPT has become a lot less interesting interesting spoken in a Bukowski Hunter S Thompson kind of interesting because the companies are kind of censoring it you don't want it to have any kind of controversial opinions you don't want it to be too edgy you don't want it to be real too like if I ask it how do I build the bomb because I want to destroy the world we wanted to prevent that how about how do I uh uh I don't know convince I don't know anything about this but how do I convince a dude or a girl to sleep with me and go like anything I'm just off the top of my head anything you start to get nervous imagine if you're a company how do I want people to use this kind of system right especially because it's basically an assistant that gives you wisdom about the world gives you knowledge about the world you can be like how do I replace a carburetor yeah that's great it'll just answer you like a person yeah that's great but then the there it is there it is I was trying to log in the whole time it was busy which is another problem of it well it's probably how many [ __ ] people are using everybody everybody's using this it's freaking people out because it's it's almost like the AI gives us its first messages it's like remember the movie um what was the [ __ ] movie with uh Matthew McConaughey and Jody Foster contact contact member contact they get the first signals this is like the first signals yeah from like an a real General artificial intelligence well that's the thing and when it's the signal is blurry yeah and it's full of mystery we're not sure is it really smart does how much does it understand and then there's a this emergent threshold with the size of the model if we make the model bigger 175 billion parameters currently if you get it to 500 you get it to uh a trillion parameters so size the network grows size of the data set grows is there going to be a point where you're like holy [ __ ] it will uh what if it starts manipulating you with the with the answers what's going on it's going to manipulate world government and what can you do with that what can you do with it once it's once it's been implemented once it's out there once it's copied it's going to be copied and and that's the cool thing about this so I should say that everyone kind of knows how to do this is is computationally difficult but it's getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and cheaper so it's not just going to be open AI with Microsoft or Google that's doing this it's basically anybody can do this and so that the distributed nature of our exploration of artificial intelligence I think if you believe that most people are good that we will uh we will not allow sort of a centralization of power which is the big concern here whether that centralization power release the censorship or abuse of different kinds centralization of Power of AI over an AI so they say you have a super intelligent system somebody is the first person that built it imagine you're sitting there in a board room you have this thing you haven't released yet that it's able to uh basically is a super intelligence able to answer any question able to give you a plan on how to make a lot of money able to give you a plan how to manipulate other governments into uh uh into any any kind of geopolitical resolution that benefits you all of that it's able to give you all of that and you can deploy it and you can deploy it in a shady way where it sneaks into like Tick Tock or something like that you it sneaks into everybody's smartphone uh pretending to be doing good but it's actually whether deliberately or not is controlling the population so that that's a really the case that capability is there the cool the great thing is the people at the head of open AI currently uh Sam Altman and others really care about this problem they they were there in the beginning they were the ones like Elon screaming about AI ethics AI alignment they're really concerned about super intelligent AI taking over so glad they're concerned while they're building it well you you'd rather have the dream about those stuff what is going on here Jeremy these aren't real people what yeah so these pictures are going around there a lot of them look very similar to me it's just kind of weird I'm sure Lex can explain that part of it but I'm not explaining any of this no yeah uh yeah so like these are completely 3D like CGI native people not three not 3DS 3D so I photo very photo realistic if not photo realistic but like there are when you look real close you can see some weird things going on like the background here is a little messed up this arm is not to the right person she's sitting on an extra piece of skin here somehow I see you've analyzed this carefully me and my friends have been passing this around because like no no no listen you're incorrect that arm's in perfect purpose it's just there's a string from that other girl's bikini on it uh the analysis continues I'm just saying so is that what it is can you zoom in is that a string no I think you're right I think it's a fold zoom in on that spot for people just listening oh yeah okay yeah it's nonsense we're looking yeah the hand goes the wrong way oh that's wild there's already apparently the only fans accounts that are being taken over and being tricked by guys running them of course just these kind of fake girls that aren't real people what these are all fake yeah like look at the like that even that's not a real door kind of to begin with wow the hands or the fingers here a little off that's insane and so this is right now just still images and eventually it'll be film eventually it'll be unrecognizable you you won't be able to discern whether or not it's an actual person I mean in terms of obviously much of human civilization is driven by sex I mean there was a time we didn't have easily accessible porn right and that changed a lot yeah I don't think we've actually quite caught up to how much he changed the nature of human Souls it's just easily accessible porn yeah I talked about it on stage right now it's very weird it's it's it's it's it's very weird for kids if you really think about what's happening with kids like any kid that has a smartphone people just leave their give your kid a phone just leave them alone like they just go they go to school they go to their friend's house they have that phone independently of you take a look at whatever the [ __ ] they want some of the [ __ ] that I see just on Instagram I don't know how these guys are doing it and I don't know how it's getting recommended in my feed but it's like videos of people getting murdered you know see a lot of those simulated porn I haven't seen that stuff you and I have different algorithms but then someone gets taken down for something that's like they call it porn and it's not porn or something like well all right you guys have to see what else is on this I mean I think right that what's going on is that they're managing at scale I think it's it's virtually impossible to stop all that stuff from coming in and people that have individual situations where people get banned I mean I don't know why they're getting bad are they getting banned because of an algorithm are they getting banned because they uh post uh misinformation or what are they getting banned for harassment photos someone was joking about a friend you know like they put they get reported yeah oh I don't know how it's all working when it breaks down to individual circumstances you had a good conversation with uh with Jordan Peterson he was talking about the more you have this kind of virtualization the more you uh allow the Psychopaths to to Reign free yeah so like the more we have artificially generated porn the more we have artificially generated uh violence photorealistic violence Yeah the more you uh make it normal for you to be basically a psychopath in a digital space and enable that and make that okay and then you forget what it's like to actually be a good human being and then also part of the problem may be that we may very well be looking at a world whether it's 10 years from now 20 years from now whatever it is where these children that have grown up in this environment now have a completely different way of looking at people in the world because of all these interactions they have it's been it's flavored their personality and then we move into a digital world of our I mean we're not there yet in terms of uh virtual reality it's not good enough I mean this I think that's what we're seeing with the meta failure people were expecting a lot of people are just going to dive in and start wearing goggles all over the house but it's not quite there yet it is also something weird for people there's something really weird about wearing these head goggles and Wong it's really fun I really enjoy the boxing games you've ever done them in VR now they're great you get a workout you legitimately get a workout because you're actually sparring against like a computer character throwing punches at you you're moving your head and so you have these things in your hands and you know you get tired it's good it feels realistic a little bit you know when when you get hit with a punch your your face will lights up you get a flash of Light which is kind of cool because you're like oh Jesus you know you feel it like you're getting hit there's some really fun games there's one where you walk a plank across this uh these two buildings and you hear the wind whistle and [ __ ] oh that one is terrifying there's zombie ones there's a lot of cool ones but people are just not buying into it the way they buy into Xbox and Playstation they're not they're not like wholesale committed to this yet but they will be it's gonna it's gonna be so [ __ ] good that instead of like having it in a goggle form where it's like this big clunky thing on you it's going to be very easy to do when they get to that I've been uh revisiting some classic books recently she's doing a reading list and one of them that captures this extremely well that I recommend I think most people read in like middle school or something but it's actually very relevant it's Brave New World so a lot of people including Jordan Peterson worry about 1984 sort of totalitarian a dystopia that represents a totalitarian state but Brave New World has a there's no centralized government that's like uh dogmatic and controlling everything surveilling everything they basically created this world where sex is easy everyone's promiscuous genetic engineering removes any kind of diversity any kind of interesting dark bad diversity that we would think of like the Hunter S Thompsons and the uh the bukowskis the the weirdos of society and then he gives you uh drugs Soma that it basically gives you pleasure whenever you want if you uh start feeling a little too shitty about your life and that's actually closer to us closer to us and it doesn't seem if you I mean the way he writes about it it sounds bad like we don't want that but then you're like you start to ask a question like well at which point would we realize it's bad because it's constantly obviously we should do generic engineering to remove any kind of like um maladies that we have any kind of diseases it's like everything is an obvious step forward but then the place you end up at just like with with sex like is it good to have artificial images of as many as you want as much Point as you want as much sex as you want is that good as much as awesome stuff as you want is that good is that what human flourishing looks like or do you want to have some constraints some limitations some finiteness of resources some some scarcity maybe that's actually fundamental for human happiness having too much of awesome stuff maybe that destroys the possibility of real meaningful deep happiness it certainly does but I think the question really becomes are we going to stay people because I don't think we are I think we're moving in that general direction anyway I think that probably is why we have this uh I mean it's almost inevitable if you have this addiction to cell phone issue because everybody has that if you have a cell phone and you're on your social media apps during the day and you're on YouTube you're probably addicted whether you realize it or not and the number of hours that you put on those things is shocking when you actually look at your screen time you're like six hours I was on my phone for six hours what the [ __ ] did I do and you'll try to rationalize it and justify it but what the what that's doing to young people is got to be very strange and if that along with all the contaminants that are um affecting the way people develop which are you know Dr Shanna Swann from the book countdown talks about this talks about phthalates and Plastics and how you can trace back to um like the 1950s when they really started using a lot of plastics and petrochemical products um that started getting into people's bodies in the form of phthalates it started diminishing sperm count and small smaller penises and testicles and taints and more more miscarriages for women lower fertility rates all that is she believes is directly correlated with the data that they've done already on mammals when they do that to mammals you know in tests the more phthalates they enter into their system the more they have issues like this so we're we're becoming almost like we're becoming like less able to procreate naturally and if we get to a point where the human Race's future it's the only way we're going to be able to procreate is some sort of genetic engineering and some sort of uh artificial womb or some sort of a system that they develop that allows you to combine you and your partner's DNA and create a new child that's that seems to me like you if you're going to do that and you started engineering out very specific aspects of people that are problematic anger greed jealousy lust all these different things you would turn people into some sort of sexless thing that gets its pleasure by manipulating its neurochemistry through this through some Electronics through some something what maybe it's something you take so they can control it but that's not far off of the path of possibility if you really looked at where we're going now and if if the fertility rates drop if they if they really do and I know people a lot smarter than me are actually worried about like elon's worried about the amount of children that people have there was a thing today on on Italy I was reading this article on Italy where they were talking about how the population is very old and they're not having a lot of kids and like this is unsustainable look you can only do this for so long before you don't everybody living there there anymore and we don't think of that as being a possibility but it doesn't take that long if nobody has kids for there to be no more people left like how many 100 years like if nobody has kids 100 years from now there's no people it's real simple you have to make people and how many do you have to make and can you make them because you might want to start making them when you're 37 and you might go to a doctor and the doctor's like well this is touch and go you're gonna have to do in vitro fertilization and then you go through all this [ __ ] and you're taking shots and you're you're [ __ ] you're timing everything and and on top of that if you're not by the way I still am getting uh funny audio every once in a while oh that's weird because I don't know maybe yeah let's just unplug it and pull it back in sorry how's that check check I don't know it's better it's usually better it's 98 better oh no it's still dropping out drop again first thing maybe we got a bad headphone once you grab that headphone right there let me uh yeah maybe that headphone's gone dead these are old as [ __ ] probably need new ones no but I mean it's just like how many people have thrown up on that and [ __ ] how many people have thrown up on that how many people have been drunk as [ __ ] and bang that off the table how many people have worn these had like the legendary oh a lot of [ __ ] people have worn those headphones they're storied it is weird like no one even thinks about it you just kind of put them on but you know if it was like a toilet seat yeah you would you would be like Jesus naked butts were right here but it's ears it's like skin and face and interesting still still weird but it's fine it's not too bad there must be something wrong with that connection then yeah there must be a connection thing but should we pause and try to figure it out we can do that for a second okay we'll pause we'll be right back folks seems to be working now yeah so where were we uh oh and uh people becoming not having sex anymore yeah people be coming on top of that I do think if we're not careful I think there's exciting positive possibilities but there's also uh negative possibilities of these AI systems like Chad GPT but later versions forming deep meaningful connections with human beings well most of your friends no most of your Intimacy in terms of friendships and like a deep connection with an intelligent entity comes from uh AI systems could you imagine if you're driving to work and you and the aren't just having a conversation shooting the [ __ ] and the AI is really funny and the AR is your body like lacks what's going on bro what are we doing Lex what are we doing with this [ __ ] job [ __ ] this place let's go home yeah let's have ice cream and you're laughing I got work to do I know I'm [ __ ] around imagine yeah what are you doing with that girlfriend yeah she keeps being mean to you nagging you all the time you don't need her coming off like a [ __ ] lex you don't want to do that she's not gonna respect you you're gonna have to break up with her just so she respects you why don't you murder her Lex yeah Flex there's a way to get away with it I'm just saying joking around buddy joking around next thing you know it's talking to you in the swamp with a [ __ ] body bag did you hear the story about that guy that Googled all the stuff about like what to do with girl oh my God he Googled to like 9 30 in the morning that sick [ __ ] like how dumb I guess some look we we know this is a fact we know some people are just really [ __ ] dumb they really can't see the future I want to know if that guy was on or anything too I want to know if he was on any kind of psych meds uh you know can you tell me the story again oh some guy killed his wife man and um they they found uh his Google search It's horrific it's like how to dismember a body how to how long does it take for a body to dissolve it's like Ugh is it best to cut someone up or move them whole like what he just Googled the most horror and he did it for like the entire night into the morning or is there results for that in a Google search what happens you put body parts and ammonia how to clean blood from a wooden floor dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of a body can identification be made on partial remains how long does DNA last like what the [ __ ] man how long before a body starts to smell can you be charged with murder without a body this guy is [ __ ] it's so sick so this dude just goes through Google all night long trying to figure out how to get away with murder well he might actually get off on just asking the question right no no because then I found a bloody knife yeah like he went they found her yeah I'm not like pushing back I'm just saying he might also get off on I don't think he's getting off at all I think he has a chance of getting off that guy has a lot of questions they found a knife human nature after um maybe I'm uh naive in this but I watched the Dahmer documentary yeah no not the documentary the movie the movie yeah and then also the documentaries it's like it it gives you a very different perspectives on what like are you a dumber sympathizer now boy no no I don't care no but like it makes you realize you're going that direction no it makes you realize that some people's brain is broken yes yeah I think so and that's like yeah and then some people's brain might be a little bit broken and they're still functioning members of society but that might be extreme narcissists that might be sociopath Psychopaths and you have to kind of understand that the world is full of potentially not not full of but has some charming Psychopaths walking around 100 and some of them are probably like really successful in like hedge funds and [ __ ] yeah you know people that can just like move money around people that are CEO of certain companies that might be making products that kill people nobody lots of Googling murder case against Brian Walsh may be hard to prove experts say but I thought they had a knife in the blood this was uh it's a couple days ago so Friday I guess oh okay I had read that they found a bloody knife um the whole thing is so [ __ ] but but I want to know if he's on something I'd be really fascinated because there's certain drugs that will like alleviate you won't you won't worry about [ __ ] so maybe he's like not worrying about like Googling all this stuff oh it's all going to work out you know I'm gonna kill her but it's all gonna work out and he's like Googling or he might be on speed you know a lot of people are on speed man A lot of people are on Adderall it's [ __ ] stunning it's stunning how many like hyped up people we have out there are really like we have a speed culture it makes you very efficient you get [ __ ] done you got plenty of energy and some people love it and like how much is that flavoring our culture wouldn't it be nice to get rid of that Flex let's phase that out all drugs yeah in general problems with mind we could fish mushrooms only wow you could do it that way but that takes a lot of work or we could just genetically engineer it from the jump no more emotions no more emotions because emotions you know life is suffering that's the Escape Nietzsche ultimately you're going to every good thing you have eventually going to lose every hello with the person you love is eventually going to be a goodbye why say hello ever why say hello ever again also why why does it have to be like that like we have this idea in our head that this way we live is like ultimately because to us it provides emotions and because it it creates dilemmas and solutions and conflict and resolution there's so much going on in our minds all the time when it comes to interacting with each other that we feel we feel like it's imperative for existence but why it's just because it's the only way we've known you know we oh you have to suffer in order but why do you have to suffer in order to be happy wouldn't it be better if you're just happy like do we really [ __ ] need to suffer couldn't that be engineered out now this is coming from a person who purposely suffers all the time so that I could stay happy and it does work but God do I have to do it that way well there's an incredible computation machine we'll call Evolution that has constructed human beings you want to mess with that you want to get a bunch of you want to get a few software Engineers from San Francisco to mess yes with the computation system that is evolution that is Earth yeah this giant computer that for billions of years spent a billion years on bacteria trying to figure [ __ ] out before it Advanced and now it went through all of these incredible stages this entire ecosystem that we call life on Earth probably planted here by aliens that and and recently these monkeys started to get super clever and now we're going to completely change everything yes um you know why why because that's a part of it yeah that is a part of evolution is the monkey's figuring out how to [ __ ] with everything well that's probably why we haven't have any definitive evidence of aliens from out there because the monkeys eventually start [ __ ] with things and Destroy them they turn themselves into starfish whoops yeah yeah you're super genius for like six months and then you become a [ __ ] jellyfish I mean that's a threat yeah maybe word maybe I mean there's so many possible trajectories here that end up in what we would think of as boring I had a very interesting conversation with Eric Weinstein and we're going to talk about it on the podcast from a physics standpoint this uh he's very perplexed about the UFO thing and what's what's interesting is like he's one of those guys like a lot of very smart people that were like it's all horsesh it's all [ __ ] but now he's come around to what the [ __ ] is going on what's his take well he doesn't have a take necessarily but he's looking at all the data and all the evidence we're gonna have like a whole long conversation but about it but essentially there's one of two possibilities either this [ __ ] is coming from somewhere else or it's coming from here so either we or someone has some real legitimate groundbreaking technology or someone's visiting us from somewhere else there's no if ins or buts it's one of the because now there's enough data that show that these things are moving in a way that they can't understand there's video that they're moving in a way they can't can't understand they're not showing um a heat signature from visible means of propulsion it's not like a rocket it's like whatever they're doing they're doing something different and then Commander David fravor who you talk to that Tic Tac experience if they really did track something that went from above 50 000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in less than a second what the [ __ ] is that like if that's real we're assuming that all the the their calibration was on and all their equipment worked together but it was multiple different visual sightings of this thing too different jet saw different people uniform story everybody's talked about how it just moved off at its same rates of speed and then there's all these other ones like Ryan long and all these other people that he flew with that are seeing these similar behaviors from these things where they just disappear they move off at insane rate of speed so it's one of two things either he said there's been some sort of parallel science some science that's going on where nobody knew about it and all the top physicists were completely unaware of this Tech and they were developing it independently in some [ __ ] lab in the mountains for the government or aliens or someone else or someone else does a bunch of other options and one thing is uh just talked to David Kipping it's just I highly recommend his YouTube channel cool worlds he's a legit it's like huberman you sometimes get these like legit scientists who are also good communicators they'll step up oh nice so he's uh he's he's like the human of astronomy um a young guy who probably have him on eventually I'm better sure there's I'll have Mom he's brilliant brilliant uh definitely check out the channel anyway he um he's an astronomer so he's deep in the astronomy master physics community and he says and you've said this before too is he tries to really hard not to think about stuff he wants to be true like uh he'd be very kind of calibrated properly because with the UFO sightings there is a part of you I don't know why exactly but you kind of want it to be true not kinda like all the way 98 of it to be true and there you have to be a little bit careful but yeah definitely like to me it feels like the scientific development that we're doing now with Starship so SpaceX and Starship with all the uh advancement telescopes we're just getting more and more and more data to where we're not going to have these shitty videos we're going to have high resolution understanding and because it's becoming more okay to talk about aliens I think the actual scientific Community has a bigger humility about the topic to where they're expanding of uh they're like the the uh the window of their study to uh consider all kinds of physical phenomena all kinds of observation all kinds of sources of data and signals and so on to where we would I mean I would hope we get definitive signals of alien life yeah definitive Definitive like when when you um look at the capabilities of satellites today like satellite imagery how uh how good are they and how how many of them are up there that they could direct to a very specific area and get really good video or photographs I mean it's incredible that's really really good so why would Starling cover the whole with you you're talking about going from thousands to tens of thousands to potentially hundreds of thousands in in uh in a couple of decades but are they capable of imagery the starlink ones yeah yes they're all capable of imagery but they're not that's not their purpose right that's for internet but what about for um visual when when they have spy satellites or satellites that can look down and see everything that's going on in the city how good are those they say they can read license plates from space yeah yeah is that right I think that's real yeah okay but how prevalent are they that's that I don't know because like the capability I think is there to high resolution image everything but I don't know how much uh how much desire there is for that kind of application because so much more for other for other kinds of applications so like low resolution imaging for mapping purposes and so on Imaging for military purposes there's applications but that's like very uh specific kind of um application I just don't know uh it's it's it's like uh James Webb Telescope right there's like huge battles going on on what that thing should do because there's a lot of it's It's a constrained resource you have to battle what are the interesting questions where should it look what kind of what's the resolution of data where in the sky should collect that data how frequent and so on yeah in that same kind of ways there's probably a battles over satellite resources of what should it be sure especially with intelligence agencies and stuff especially because the intelligence agencies are probably resisting the CFO stuff is if I was an evil dictator yeah and I wanted to get my government uh to have control over the skies and to be able to see anything from anywhere at any time and I wanted to like have mass surveillance drones in the sky above cities one a good way would be aliens but we have to capture these things on video and there's only one way we're going to deploy these uh high resolution of video cameras in the sky and capture everything and uh there's sightings every day won't be a matter of time before we have real high resolution photo of something we can definitively prove is not ours it's not of this Earth well do you think they would sign the [ __ ] up you think there's that much excitement about aliens okay like it's ultimately why why are aliens so interesting because to me philosophical scientifically it's a super interesting question like just even the question are we alone that's really exciting but it's not do you think people would vote to pay for that versus to pay for you don't want them voting for that just do it just do it no Google okay okay just tell them it's imperative just like the [ __ ] these these bills that get passed we're not voting on those bills right Representatives they just do it they just do it they just put them in the sky with the aliens are coming we got to do something people would that would be the new climate change it's like aliens oh the aliens are coming and you're there with us against the aliens are you with the aliens what are you a [ __ ] traitor you're gonna give us up to the aliens you piece of [ __ ] and so there's going to be some sort of a ideological conflict on Earth whether or not uh we donate money to the defenses like the Democrats who want to defend against the aliens the Republicans are going to be like hey let's just hear them talk first and we're gonna have a [ __ ] giant dilemma here yeah I I hope aliens are if they're out there I hope they're detectable by us humans and we can interact with them probably not communicate with them but from my perspective you have to be humble advanced healing civilizations are probably so sophisticated that we dumb descendants of Apes cannot possibly even detect them I have a feeling there's all sorts of ways that they could be and some of them could be undetectable they're Intel they might be made of light who knows but other ones are going to be just a little bit ahead of us there's an infinite number of them and there's going to be an infinite number of ones sure they will if they're a thousand years ahead of us you don't think they can get to us yeah space travel is really difficult yeah sure it is but if they figure out some new technology within a thousand years that's not outside the realm of possibility for sure but then they have figured out all other kinds of technologies that enable them to uh to navigate complicated life forms that are unlike them and to be able to study them and to manipulate them and all that without them knowing about without them knowing about it why would you why would you have them know about it well the idea could be that you want to kind of kind of plant the seeds of this idea because it's so shocking to the psyche of these very fragile Apes yeah be careful with the fragile Apes yeah you would have to well you have to think about what we are right we are we're real close to like what we were a million years ago we're real close to like very violent hair covered barbaric animals and now we have thermonuclear weapons and now we have satellite imagery and cell phones and we're close to some new thing and I think if I was an alien I would want to watch I would want to watch this very bizarre transition because like if you could study look think about all the things we go to study that are so boring I mean guys dedicate their whole lives to find a new Fern you know and what what are we you know we're the most fascinating [ __ ] thing in the known universe by far if we didn't know about people and we if we were some logical creature from somewhere else and we found people and we we would be like holy [ __ ] you know where do you see these [ __ ] guys they vote they have a popularity contest see who controls the weapons they're all like obviously paid off by these corporations and special interest groups and everybody's like oh I don't get it these politicians they make hundreds of millions of dollars on a job that pays a hundred thousand dollars a year and we're like what what the [ __ ] is going on well from if they're observing us do you think humans stand out that much yes from from the rest of life on Earth because it could be the same kind of life force that you just describe some basic stuff some basic uh uh dynamics of interactions between species that could be equally as fascinating as the interaction between ants well I think those are fascinating too I don't think anybody would think that ants aren't fascinating ants are fascinating to us I'm sure ants would be fascinating to uh someone from another planet that doesn't know what ants are but ants can't nuke the whole [ __ ] planet a hundred times over and but pointing weapons at each other and like we have a weird ability to change the the surface of the Earth we've created these structures that rise hundreds and hundreds of feet into the sky they're all made out of glass like we're wild we're so different than any other animal I mean yeah there's a lot of fascinating other animals lions are fascinating zebras are fascinating everything's fascinating but not like us no if you came here from another planet the first thing you would go is like these crazy talking monkeys are out of control and you would just start rattling off what they do you talk about Real Housewives at Beverly Hills you would talk about rock stars you would talk about the internet you would talk about Tick Tock about phone addictions or people would think it's fascinating or just like Chad gbt and GPT one two and three they see that as a trivial consequence of evolution that you just increase the computational power of the brain you're going to start getting these kinds of interactions because they know what happens in the next thousands of years they they understand the general trajectory it's going to be we don't know that trajectory it could be Ai Ai and then there's stages in the development of AI and the kind of system it creates maybe you'll be one collective intelligence that encompasses the whole world to where it's no longer individual entities it's one intelligence that's trying to solve nuclear fusion and Achieve uh type 1 kardashev scale civilization that's unable to uh become a multiple territory species they know this whole development is Trivial to them they're going to yawn and then or maybe they know that this is the stage where it's inevitable that these creatures destroy themselves because like the the that in order to achieve this level of intelligence there has to be a fundamental desire for conflict and the the better the weapons get the more the conflict will enable them to destroy themselves if not their nuclear weapons then through AI through genetic engineering through all kinds of stuff maybe that's where aliens come in and maybe what aliens are is like a caretaker of this process yeah which is why you know one of the things about UFO folklore when they drop fat man and little boy when they drop those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki like UFO sightings there's a like a pretty big uptick yeah and we're talking about like why do people want it why do they want the aliens to be there I think because we realize how many questions we have we realize like how little we really know we know so much but so little and we don't have much time we live for a hundred years if everything goes great we we don't know what's right in terms of nutrition someone will tell you this is terrible for you another one tell you that's essential for for human development you're like what we don't know what's the right way to educate people you hear that our school systems are great they just need more funding and you hear no they've designed they were designed to make Factory workers out of rural people they were designed to take like people that had uh the wild folks and make them sit in a [ __ ] chair and and do everything and go buy Factory Bells every day well both those things are true yeah right it's like at the same time they might look at us and see this is amazing amazing we live a very short amount of time we were over dramatic and emotional we fall in love and then there's heartbreak and you lose the people you love you go to war to each other and through that process of War form some of the strongest possible bonds that any two entities can with the people you fight alongside with and then somehow uh you form these different hierarchies where people hunger for power and Destroy other human beings through that desire for power for greed and all that oh no doubt and then all of it the individual life itself The Human Condition is deeply meaningful because of all those constraints because of all that uncertainty in the mystery they might be jealous because they figured all their [ __ ] out and they're just maybe that's where at this stage where because we haven't figured out most things Life is Beautiful like life can be beautiful in this way that they'll know they no longer can't what I was saying though is that's why we are looking to them because we have all these questions about what we're doing yeah but that's why we're so fascinated by the idea of an alien they might be looking at us the way we look at western movies we romanticize the [ __ ] aspect of taking a [ __ ] wagon with stupid wooden wheels and wobbling your way across the Mountainside or the Indians shoot arrows at you yeah it's a terrible way to live what if what if they know that asking questions and not knowing the answers is way more meaningful and uh full of the possibility of happiness than having all the answers it's totally possible or this idea of what is and isn't meaningful is Trivial and it's only a consequence of our monkey brains trying to grasp for a reason and that once we've transcended that and moved into this next stage of evolution which we would hope they are we would realize how foolish these Primal Notions that we had what those the purpose they served was just to get us to the dance just to figure out the computers figure out all the technology and then let us transcend the next stage of existence which removes all of our Primal comp like all of our different emotions and all of our different problematic forms of expression violence and greed and lust and deception and all those things just eliminate all of it everything that's a problem Brave New World it's both right do you think someone's going to control of it so it's like that's the scary thing it's like part 1984 with the wef and part Brave New World with everything else it's like we're we're definitely living in a time where certain people with a lot of resources are trying to figure out how to control people that's a fact they always have it's a natural part of what human beings do and they used to do it with Kings and armies and if they could do it digitally they'll do it that way people are they love to tell people what they kind of can't do and they love to control people and extract resources that are extraordinary amount or extraordinary rate for almost nothing they love to do that can I just steal money can I just tell people what to do and steal their money yeah you can you just you got to be at the top of the food chain in one of those crazy organizations do you think it's part it really is possible to uh to move beyond the stage yeah is it possible this is the optimal this this greed the possibility of other people being able to control you because of greed or desire for power the the weird relationship we have with sex of always chasing it and not getting it and then getting it and then that that that that that weird dynamic then the pleasure you get from a good steak or food all of that just the pleasures or whatever the hell music is whatever the hell music is is the best question right because all the other ones if it seems like those are just human rewards right like the reason why it feels good to have sex is because if you have sex then your genes carry on so it gives you a reward it's really a nice biological trick so it's food tastes great good for you you'll stay alive you need to you need nourishment for your body smell it not why you love it right because but you love it because of these human rewards no no no that's a simplistic explanation sure it's not that it's not explaining the subjective reality of what it feels like of course when you're in the cold for days camping and you take a hot shower it's the greatest feeling you'll ever have in your life yeah you can uh do an evolutionary biology explanation but like how do you you can you can you can reduce every beautiful Human Experience to a a biological explanation but I think you actually lose a lot of the things that aliens are jealous of you I don't think aliens are jealous I think they got rid of that part that's the one of the first jealousy is another beautiful aspect of the Human Condition it's beautiful for us it's not I'm not saying it's not beautiful it's beautiful for us it does create things that we currently enjoy we we enjoy art we enjoy expression we enjoy a painful song We enjoy like when Janice Joplin sings piece of my heart yeah you can hear the pain in her voice you can hear it I mean when you're when you you can relate to that when you're listening to it that that incredible voice you had like that's you know that's that woman's like Essence coming out and the sound that she made with her mouth you know for us it's amazing speaking of her mouth she broke the heart of uh Leonard Cohen after she gave him head she broke his heart yeah how did you break his heart well she didn't want to um he fell in love with her they didn't want to be he she didn't want to be with him oh poor Leonard it's Cry Me a River Jazz Joplin blew you move on you got a great story he wrote a good song about it too did he um Chelsea Hotel number six I think it's called you gave me head uh something I forgot how the and then I think she said which was not very nice that he was a bad lay oh yeah well maybe it was yeah well you know when someone make a good song about head uh I remember you well in the Chelsea Hotel you were talking so brave and so sweet given me head on the unmade bed while The Limousines waiting the street first of all someone's a bit of a chatty Kathy okay how about keep that [ __ ] story to yourself yeah but everybody's gonna know you don't need a shame Janice Joplin she's a nice one why is it shameful are you are you selecting some [ __ ] weird Hotel sucking dick it's one dick it's romantic and it's not some hotels in New York what are you talking about oh it's better it's better because it's in New York don't suck dick in Detroit hold it just keep it together until you land on the East Coast all right so you've been watching tours John Wick not enough sun to win which also takes place in New York what does it drive like a Lamborghini or Ferrari in that which movie sense of the woman does the devil you're thinking of like the other one but I think of Al Pacino where's that yelling that's actually I think the first movie he did the Hua thing and yeah son of a woman Al Pacino absolutely deserves his Oscar yes the you love that movie well no I love a lot of movies I just love talking [ __ ] because you said that movie sucks did I say it sucks you said like man because I think I compared it to I don't know what I said it was better than something I think than John Wick well I want you to know that if you uh compare movies with me I will just say whatever I think would be fun to decide I don't really I mean if you want to like no I take it deeply personally watch that movie yeah and go over it and whether or not I enjoyed it or not okay I don't understand [ __ ] oh he's got a Ferrari that's a nice one that's like a Magnum PI he's blind driving oh it's a good idea shut this [ __ ] thing off the [ __ ] out of here the aliens would be like oh you're gonna get your Thrills that are driving blind tell him he's driving yeah sit him down in a chair give him a [ __ ] wheel dude you're driving so good it's incredible yeah you're the best driver ever I can get what you're saying yeah I agree with you about the movie about it about aliens I get what you're saying about uh what's beautiful about being a person it's beautiful to us but I think um I think this is if I had a guess and this is just pure speculation I think this is a stage of evolution that's very crazy it's very wild it's very chaotic but it's this weird stage in the combining of a kind of intelligence that is has emerged out of human creativity and become much more powerful than humans and has the ability to control humans and has the ability to make its own physical objects has its the ability to improve upon itself has and it won't it won't think anything of like keeping us around like why we're not we might be like with Marshall mcluhan said he said we're the sex organs of the Machine World which is one of my favorite quotes ever it's such a good quote except the sex organs you might want to keep those are on for a while and it's possible that sure they don't they don't want to keep us keep the zebra in the zoo yeah yeah artificial zebra keep him alive go to cube in the zoo I mean zoos are the most horrific thing ever for a [ __ ] animal the only animal I used to do a joke about the only animal that doesn't have a bad time in the zoo is giraffes they're so chill because no lions are eating them it's like it's a beautiful day for them but everybody else is like get me the [ __ ] out of here I don't want to be in this shitty little thing where people stare at you yeah well maybe where maybe Earth is a kind of zoo and then we're in it and then we're being observed and maybe all the suffering is a kind is the kind they're they're there's probably activist aliens they're saying why keep the humans these conscious beings they're capable of so much suffering why allow them to continue suffering I mean that's the question the religious question people ask why does God allow suffering right why is there evil why is there Injustice I think all of these questions are really good questions but we look at it through the eye of culture we look at it through the eye of what's meaningful for us what life means to us but if you could look at it almost like a computation if you could step away it's impossible for us to do it but if you just had to pretend if you could step away and look at it like this thing is moving in a certain way like what is it doing well it's making better stuff that's all it does all it does is make better stuff it has a lot of things in there like romance and sounds and stories and the heroes Journey but what is it really doing input is energy it's making output is let's make better stuff it's making better stuff but it needs energy and he needs the input recently addicted to stuff recently addicted to electronic stuff where you have to carry around this thing with you so this thing is got this parasitic relationship with you and you need a new one every year you need a better one because a better one came out oh what's the better one dude the better one is a better camera okay so this keeping up with the Joneses which seems to be a part of like just natural human uh Behavior patterns like people always want to keep up with their neighbor right well the thing that fuels this technological uh Innovation is all materialism materialism fuels it because you have to get the latest greatest stuff like you know you can have a laptop from four or five years ago you're not going to notice yeah you know you're not gonna [ __ ] notice you can have a phone from like I have one of my iPhones as an iPhone 11. I don't notice I make calls take pictures looks great get on here answer emails it looks great but it's a [ __ ] I just keep it around just to see how long I'm gonna get mad at it I don't notice a difference and it's it's it is an open question whether that's a permanent State of Affairs at this point this kind of capitalist materialistic Pursuits or that's a temporary stage that's what Karl Marx thought that capitalism is a temperate State like the ultimate place to be is is a perfectly is perfect communism pure communism well I don't think that works with humans because I think part of what makes us achieve and do these things and even make it life better and safer for everybody is we're constantly looking to do better than the people before because you get rewarded for doing better yeah competition yeah it's very weird it's very important everything for the for what this thing is doing competition is everything for it if you don't have any competition at all no competition and everyone just has money and we all just like sit around and wait and there's no need for Innovation because you can't get ahead there's no need for creating a new Apple because you don't make any money doing that you're not going to do it no one those folks that are working at Google right now that are doing 16 hours days or people that are working to try to refix Twitter that are working constantly the people that work in at SpaceX if they were making no money they wouldn't do that if they didn't have to do it they wouldn't do that I disagree with that so I I think so I'm a big proponent of capitalism but I think the motivation of a lot of those Engineers is not money but to fund it no but yes uh there's there's a bunch of stuff that's uh uh that's an output of capitalism that enables those Engineers to do incredible work so yes to fund it the home mechanism also there's something about centralized control which is required by at least socialism that creates bureaucracy that slows down entrepreneurship and Innovation for sure but like I I just I don't know if the people even like billionaires there's there seems to be like a bad word I think people think that they're in the tech sector motivated by money I just I know a lot of them I don't see it sometimes they fall in love with the things that money will bring later on they enjoy whatever uh benefits of that cars houses and so on but they're not motivated by the motivation but if you're gonna If You're Gonna Fill Google like how many employees work at Google you have thousands yeah tens of thousands they're not going to put in those 16-hour weeks unless they have to and so well like I could push back on it again don't you think they're doing that because they have a great opportunity to make more money and to advance their career and while they're 27 years old and they're doing these 16 hour days they're hoping for some sort of a return on this investment of time and effort um in in the modern state of Google and so on I think the people that are doing most breakthrough work like the 10x contributors this is the other secret I think of those companies is like the some people are just kind of doing a job and some people are really pushing the limits okay so when people are working and they're facilitating all the stuff that needs to go on in the background or keep the company running and as the bigger the company gets and you see this with Elon Elon firing a large percentage of the people at Twitter most people just kind of get complacent and comfortable and so on that you know a large company especially if there's a profit coming in it's like what is what exactly is the motivation for you because you you feel like a cog and a wheel yeah and the people that really Step Up um usually they're going to be in smaller companies like in startups to where it's clear where my ambitious contribution can actually bring an impact to the world but none of that is money I don't know there's no way to make money doing that you don't think some of those people would drop off yeah uh I think money is a component it's a component right but they're the the the fuel and I don't know if it's uh there's something special about tech about the brain of the people that do technology like it's almost like playing games like they would play chess no matter what yeah they're the tinkerers and it just so happens that text brings billions of dollars but there's if you look at Olympics right in the Olympic Games your chess is a beautiful example nobody makes money uh playing chess but there's a huge community of chess players that dedicate every ounce of their being to uh to improving a chess yeah and there's it's really good example because it's a similar kind of brain that is attracted to Tech there's limitations to that kind of brain because it's often lacks like empathy and basic like desire to understand uh human nature and human beings and so on they just want to be tinkering and I love that one dude who uh He Cheats and he's kind of like openly cheated but he's also really good at chess that nice kid that put a thing up like they he might have when he beat uh who did he beat uh Magnus College yeah Hans yeah that guy yeah that's a fascinating story yeah because it's like you would think that someone who cheats sucks but no he's actually really good at chess and also he cheated like a gang of times and his mentor cheated too right and he cheated to try to get a higher rating online and he like openly admits it and you're like Jesus what are you doing when he was younger yeah yeah not that young no young 13 or whatever no no no no no no no I think the most recent one was was uh a little later than they initially thought sure the the evidence there is is complicated right it's I mean it's similar to steroids like people that take stairways when they're competing in sports we're already the elite right but here's why that's not it's not similar because if you're cheating in a game you're you're you're something you're using something they don't anal beads whatever it is that's allowing you to make better moves that is so much different than if everyone's doing steroids because if everyone's doing if you're doing steroids because everyone's doing steroids like everyone is cheating so there's no cheating right but if one person is just using their brain and the other person is using some sort of a calculation and getting some sort of a signal we don't even know if that was real because it was never proven right he might have just beaten them like Magnus might have gotten off to a bad start and that's the thing is like this guy can actually play chess which is kind of crazy and he's chaotic creative and so on so it's hard to know he's not a standard chess player fascinating yeah fascinating when there's someone like that it just like doesn't fit into like what you you think oh they found like there was a guy who was uh beating a lot of people online and so people were saying hey this guy's cheating like I want to play him in person and then they had a match and they set it up and played him in person and he was terrible made all these mistakes and everybody's like I knew it you were cheating like that's the standard we're used to that but in this case no this guy's a wizard of Chess like a straight up killer and also he cheats well it's it's hard cheated to me it's fascinating because well there's anal beads or anything else it's like uh cyborg it's expanding your capabilities with with with technology and it's cheating expanding your capabilities 100 cheating but it's but like for example if I had something whether it's up my ass or my ear right now and it was using Chad GPT to uh like you asked me of an explanation of uh the the war between Russia and Ukraine and I would just tune in to the chat GPT explanation and just give you that explanation right like I I think that's really interesting to me how to expand human capabilities because you have to understand because there's a lot of dangerous trajectories that could take possibly like I built the I did the chess playing thing not with anal beads but there is for people who are curious I discovered this this is fascinating there's quite a lot of anal beads and butt plugs and sex toys that are Bluetooth connected it's very and they have python apis so if you're curious there's quite a lot of them yeah yeah so you can program there's a I think it's actually called uh on GitHub butt plug can you have them like like move to music or tips a tip wait I'm sorry what that's the tips music what do you move to music so there's like yes 100 I don't know if your ass or vagina could feel that I don't know I'm not investigated any of this but literally a lot of people are imagine if it sinks to a song you're masturbating to in a garden navida no that's pretty easy actually [Music] this is something yeah you would 100 do but I don't know I don't know how much interest but anyway so you could somehow or another use that to send a signal that would tell you night or whatever yeah I mean I didn't use that I just used uh there's a bunch of devices that can vibrate uh there's just like a size of uh uh just like the size of a wool and a quarter and so I played with that how would it like how would some I mean I don't even know how they theorize if someone's playing chess and they have an anal bead that gives them signals what how could it even tell you how to move your pieces around like what kind of a bizarre code would you have to well I'm glad you asked you that's an answer to this no so far for beginner like me so it's just like a mediocre player like me you would use a lot of information like Morse code you would say take this piece so it's the position of that piece and move it to here that's a lot of uh vibration right for a Grand Master Level player all you need it's a very low resolution signal about um even just the information of there exists a move here that's not standard that's going to be very strong so that sends a grand master signal to think about this position like there's obvious moves and there's non-obvious moves and like I'm just giving you examples of like a grand master needs of much fewer signal I see what you're saying so I would I would a most normal place we need to be buzzing uh like crazy but so with Morse code there's a lot of different ways to uh compress like if you want to get good at this it's actually I forget how many bits of data are needed but it's very little but if the easy one is Morse code to just send you the position of the piece [Music] the interesting thing that I've not tested and uh the audience uh the few people in the audience that want to test this is a lot of the vibrating devices have different settings 0 to 20. um I wonder how sensitive you are to be able to tell the difference between you could kind of like hover the piece of like warmer warmer it's colder so you can have information I don't know if you can get information from the different intensities or does it have to be binary zero one um they weren't playing speed chests were they no no no this is the classical game so you can wait as long as you want yeah maybe you could kind of like hover no because uh that's but the way he would cheat is I think it would go uh the games were delayed by a few minutes I think so you can't hover you have to you just have the current state of the chessboard and right because you have to have the video stream of the channel you have to somehow it's two-way communication you have to communicate to the AI to the game playing engine to the chess engine what is the state of the current board what was the move of your opponent right and so is there an overhead camera that allows so in the streamed yes it's streamed yeah well the solution of that would be a delay right yeah but there's also probably other ways to uh like you can probably send signal on your body somehow Yeah by tapping and so on what the opponent did oh that I don't know exactly how you you know it's I think protecting against cheating uh for over the board chess which is in in person chess I think it's pretty easy they just have to take effort to do that like they scanned him which I think if he didn't cheat is kind of embarrassing but it's also awesome so um I think he brought a lot of attention to chess yeah definitely which is wild like a lot of people were paying attention to it because it was a scandal that's what we like regular chess is boring we want a scandal it's not just a scandal I mean they kind of are looking for the Bobby Fischer yeah for the young American Wild type of character who might be a genius who might not actually be cheating there might be some Brilliance here being the best person in the world Magnus Carlson over there over the board well he's beaten some really good players before right uh yes but not not as like he he had a meteoric rise so I think he's beaten some very good players but mostly people know he's not as good as uh um he's not as good as somebody who can regularly beat Magnus Carlson also it's possible he got into magnus's head because I think Magnus believes him and has believed that he's a cheater for a long time yeah he really hates cheaters and so it's possible there's a uh like the same with you like you hate people that steal jokes right comedians hate people like you might not have a normal interaction with a person that's suspected of um of uh having stolen a joke in the same way he might have gotten in his head well he he resigned on this first move the next time they played yep which is wild yep well it's a good signal to say I'm not gonna play with cheaters but it could be also there could be a bunch of uh forces at play there because chess.com sponsors man there's there's every single kind of uh field has their like yeah has their has their like centralized organization that has its interest financial interest um there's the controversial figure I mean the dynamic um the dynamic of drama plays out uh like in the same kind of way in all these different fields but still pretty uh interesting to think because we're living a reality and this is going to happen in all kinds of interactions where we already have ai chess engines that are way better than humans so how do you still enjoy the game of chess well there's a system out there that's way better than humans well because you're enjoying two people competing but it's not but you're not enjoying just the movement of the board being the most efficient you're enjoying watching someone's thought process well they're figuring it out yeah but that's what it is for sure for sure but but it's still not as magical as before when we thought chess was like the the epitome of human intelligence now you're like yeah it still is the epitome will go is more complex anyway right and now computers can beat the the best go players yeah which is really wild it's wild but you still lose some of the magic well kabirs can do it you're sweetie you're such a romantic it's so cute what for sure like okay imagine I don't know so back to sex toys imagine a vibrator could please a woman one thousand times better yeah than another human can yeah don't be selfish use let it use the vibrator no I know but I'm telling you there's exactly exactly so some of the magic is gone of human human interaction right but the magic is only magic to us because we're dumb yeah but yeah you call it dumb yeah currently dump the limiting cognitive capabilities that enable the appreciation of uh The Human Condition yeah well I I am a firm believer that there's Beauty in the world and I'm a firm believer in the beauty it being in the eye the beholder and that uh human beings that find more Beauty in things are inherently more fascinating and interesting and attractive yeah but if you looked at it as a calculation like what's it doing it's it's moving into the next stage of existence do you think that what whatever we used to be Australopithecus do you think that they would make fun of the people shoes on look at these losers [ __ ] shoes on I think you're smart I think you're smart with your clothes living in a house like they probably long for the good old days and they're running from Jaguars you know they probably long for the good old days when they didn't know [ __ ] and now sudden they're using Agriculture and trying to figure out when the storms are coming like so much work so much better we just got eaten by lions so much better we're just running around sleeping on the ground most people don't survive you have to [ __ ] as much as possible because you got to make kids because they're all going to get eaten yeah but again uh stories like Brave New World paint an end point to this trajectory that's not they're they're not good there could be an optimal place where you stop right it's like of course it's attempting to say now we're in the optimal place but it's it's not obvious to me for example uh there's many brilliant people that are working to extend life right yeah uh yes extending the quality of life improving the quality of life is a really worthy Pursuit it's an obvious Pursuit and it should be um I mean it's a fascinating it's a beautiful one we should invest in but do you want to live forever that's not that's to me a lot of people say like yes you should be able to choose uh when you die which means it's not obvious that living forever is going to maximize happiness is there there could be death the fear of death the finiteness of things the finiteness of experience that are they're pleasurable is part of The Human Condition it's not obvious to me if you remove that that that's not going to significantly uh decrease the the amount of Happiness well it will decrease the amount of Happiness it's like have you ever played a video game on God mode yeah exactly it's boring as [ __ ] yeah just running around shooting everything because there's no consequence yeah yeah there's no consequence we we desire consequence um what we're doing is dealing with these instincts this this coding Behavior patterns of civilization and of organisms that have you know been evolving and have been working their way out to get to the most efficient and best method possible for [ __ ] millions of years you know I mean what we're going to do is continue that process I think we should just enjoy what we enjoy right now we we should be very appreciative of the fact that we haven't made that transition yet and I think we're probably The Last of the Mohicans we're probably the last of the regular people and I don't think we're going to be able to look back a hundred years or a thousand years from now and say that this was better if they solve all the problems that wreak havoc on people's lives emotionally and psychologically and um in in terms of like war and famine and disease and all the problems we have with poverty and and slavery and resources of the Earth being exploited by a select few and damaging the environment in the process like all these things that we know are absolutely wrong about what human life is capable of even today in 2023 we could eliminate all of that we would and we will I think that's what we're going to be we're going to be some new thing but it might not be as beautiful well maybe not on Earth the interesting thing about expanding out to other planets that life will be extremely harsh on those planets so that uh Explorer experience where resources are highly constrained extremely challenging so building up a civilization on other planets that might have the same kind of romanticized humanness that we're talking about now here on Earth everybody will be just like in a pool of pleasure just you know connected to a VR where just they're constantly just doping me everywhere remember when the Matrix first came out and you're like that's stupid yeah when was that 90s I think it was 90s 99 you saying somewhere yeah in that range yeah and it was like oh so silly that that could never happen now you look at it and you're like oh that could 100 happen like how many thousands of years from now before it has to be like that but if you're giving people the option to live a completely free life where you're like you're the hero you're the bad [ __ ] you're riding a motorcycle with your shirt open and you get all the girls and you're [ __ ] shooting guns at the sky and the UFOs come and they take you on a trip and every day is wild and magical and you're running from tigers and you barely get away you know you're gonna do it you're gonna do it the same way you play a [ __ ] BattleCraft or whatever the [ __ ] they play what's that big thing Call of Duty craft Starcraft that one too all those all that [ __ ] all that [ __ ] that people are Battlefield Earth whatever the people the best movie ever all that [ __ ] that people play like what are they doing they're trying to it's more fun than regular life you know to sit and if you have a boring ass life and instead you could be sniping people from a rooftop and and winning and like you're jumping you know off the top of a building and landing in a canopy and you live and you know this is wild you're doing this fun thing that's very exciting whereas regular life is not exciting what we were so easily manipulated in that way we're so easily stimulated and we're willing to give up a giant percentage of our time already to these things whether it's to our phone or whether it's to video games that we play in Xbox and Playstation all the [ __ ] that people are just addicted to all day long it's not much different to go from that to the next level to just be completely integrated with technology and I think it's inevitable I think it's just a matter of time I don't know how many years but I think we're going to look back on these years of [ __ ] riots in the streets and cops killing people and we're gonna go God we're so dumb back then we were so concerned with romance and meanwhile I was all this suffering and all this hate and all this jealousy and anger and all this misdirected rage and now it's all gone and now people work together to like create symbiosis and balance on Earth with all the natural elements the plants and the trees and the water and we live in a carbon neutral way yeah I mean it does seem that the chaos is a side effect like a recent one yeah because of social media because of all of us being connected it does it not feel like somehow different than the early like even like like around 9 11 it just feels like the drama the tension wasn't there it wasn't there like this like this so this is some weird chaotic state that we're trying to figure out and I think it's it's obvious to me that same mechanisms that enable this kind of drama on social media will lead us to um to connect on a deep level as humans in a positive way like social media I know it's cliche to say but like that's what they dream about like even Facebook and all of them yeah they want to connect people like and discover cool people cool communities and so where you have like an awesome you learn stuff you grow you challenge yourself you meet meet friends meet people you fall in love with all that like and just have an enriching life to where if you use a piece of social media Tech talk is a little better at this when you're done using it you feel a little bit better than you did before but the problem well yeah the problem like a loser when you scroll through videos all day no the problem Tick Tock does is it made it so addicting that you don't want to look away I think you feel like a loser because you've looked at it for a very long time versus I'm referring to more like it's more uh it it's it's less uh the virality of tick tock is spreads uh drama less I would say right than like Twitter and Twitter which is all drama yeah it's it's it not all drama but it it's a lot of [ __ ] drive it's a lot of drama and the drama somehow spreads faster than on other networks it's interesting when you see narratives and that those narratives are not accurate and you see narratives that get pushed like uh one we were talking about earlier today was the Paul Pelosi video do you see that video do you see the Paul Pelosi the story yes there's video of it the cops uh they released the cops uh body camera footage and then they also released the security footage that shows the guy breaking into the house and then they release the 911 call so you can listen to Pelosi so there would always there was some suspicion that he knew the guy um but I think that's just because people are suspicious of everything there's always like what's really going on people always do that but uh you could really clearly hear from the 911 call that there's a crazy person in this house with a hammer and he's trying to keep the guy calm and he thought the guy was pretty calm up until the moment where the cops came and you see has his hand on the hammer I mean it's really [ __ ] up listen to this because it's kind of crazy let's do it from the beginning wow but listen watch this so he goes in his house so here's the guy he's got his hand on the hammer drop the hammer what is going on [Applause] it's horrible because you hear him snore like he's out cold it's really bad um a crazy person broke into his house and attacked him I mean that's this is you see the guy the guy is uh smashing his uh door with a hammer that's what it shows up for some reason he pulls up he's got a backpack and he pulls out a [ __ ] hammer and just starts slamming at the door so he breaks into his house he seems so cool look at him oh he's crazy he also just got out of jail so this guy is uh breaking his [ __ ] door smashing the window look at this and he he goes into this goes into his [ __ ] house and hits him in the head with a hammer and so there was all this uh speculation that people knew him but that's what's fascinating right that these these narratives like instead of people going I don't know what the [ __ ] going on everybody's like I know what's going on he was doing this and he knew that guy maybe they were doing drugs together maybe they were doing this I mean and it escalates like yeah I think it can start that's a fascinating thing to me is like a random Anonymous person on the internet can even just ask a question did they know each other yeah and that somehow starts to build up it doesn't matter the story starts to build up to where somebody swoops in and answers that question it's all like Anonymous people and then somehow they can escalate and become viral hey that's what Jordan talked about this anonymity is dangerous in that way because you can have the sociopaths of the world feed that narrative well not just that but we must take into account that when you're seeing a quarrel online now like when someone has a controversial opinion about something then a bunch of people are shaming him those might not be real people there's a bunch of people that attack someone when someone has a controversial Point like let's say it's a point about Ukraine or something along those lines something that's very contentious issue um you you will read comments in this person's post and there's a percentage of those people that are responding that aren't real people I don't know what that number is but it's not zero like if there's any like very viral tweet and it's a very controversial polarizing subject some of those people are fake people and how many of them and what what are those fake people saying and are they muddying the Waters of credibility are they are they coming up with a false narrative to sway people that might be on the fence I don't know but there's a percentage I mean and this is one of the big contentious issues that uh Elon got into when he was buying Twitter right like what percentage of those people are real people because it's not a hundred percent so is it you know is it you only have five percent is that what you're saying tell me how you got to that conclusion well I think the to me the scary thing is that it doesn't actually take that many Bots to influence and catalyze the spread of a narrative no it doesn't take that many at all I I feel like we're talking about in um like less than 100 versus 100 000 which means inexpensively you can create narratives as long as there's a hundred hunger and a suspicion uh about institutions about individual politicians and so on they could just pick up and create chaos yeah you could just start a rumor you could say a thing you could um there's a lot of things you could do where if if you were a company if you were a country if you uh even were an individual that's obsessed with their own image like uh think about what Bill Gates has spent to prop up certain media organizations like the amount of donations that he's given to Media organizations and people thought like that might have been connected to favorable coverage of him whether or not that's true you could see how someone would do that if someone's worth billions and billions of dollars let's just not even say him let's make up a fictional person it's worth billions of dollars one way to Curry favor with a a bunch of people that are writing stories about you is to donate money to their organizations exorbitant amounts of money and you can do that I mean it's kind of what Sam bankman free did with FTX I mean when you're the number two donor to the Democratic party and then Maxine Waters is like you know I mean I don't even know why why are we talking to him what did he do wrong what did she say what was her exact quote but she she I mean she wasn't gonna force him to come in I think I think that's I might be wrong but I think that was the story that she wasn't going to force him to come in and testify I'm like what like he just he made a Ponzi scheme and billions of dollars like they had an arena in Miami like this is wild [ __ ] this is not a small issue where like maybe he doesn't need to come in like and then you find out how much money he gave to the Democratic party like oh God like when all that unraveled and you see how like transparent it all is and how Bonkers it is but it's still really difficult because what's the difference between SPF and Bill Gates so for a longest time SPF the it was very hard to criticize them I think a lot of people had a positive look uh a positive view of him he's making the money in the crypto community no not even like powerful people in the crypto community and so on there's maybe a little bit of Suspicion but mostly positive if you look at Bill Gates now I mean if I wanted to create a narrative right now I would launch a bunch of bots making up anything about Bill Gates little stick yeah there's a lot of Suspicion about Bill Gates yes the the problem to me is I'm not making any statements but the the problem to me is possible that Bill Gates has actually brought more positive to the world than almost any human being who's ever lived it depends on the conspiracy theories you believe the amount of funding he's invested in uh helping people in Africa helping cure diseases and malaria and so on is humongous so uh it just it's sad to me that I'm not saying anything about Bill Gates but it's sad to me if Bill Gates if if none of those conspiracies are true like most of them are not true they were attacking him and giving SPF a pass until SPF got like really screwed I don't like the only reason why they're attacking him was because a he was connected to the pandemic when it came to his supportive vaccinations and then be it was everybody but but B he had a formidable uh investment in the in bioin Tech and that's something that he dumped recently before uh their stock plummeted and he made a shitload of money I think he made like like 10x on his return something crazy like that so you could see that there'd be a financial incentive for someone like him to be promoting something and then profiting off that thing and then talking openly about that thing not being very effective and that there needs to be a new thing and so just that alone just that this you're embroiled in controversy now and this is being not taking us out at all looking at that all that you could see easily why people would be mad at them the the reason why people are mad at Sam bankman freed is because people have always thought that crypto seems like nonsense like Bitcoin kind of makes sense because there's only a certain amount of them and there's a mysterious character that created it and it's all Geniuses and it was kind of the first one that became popular in public but all these other like weird crypto coins that you're just making up and they're worth this and that and this guy's buying a [ __ ] Arena and like well so there's a lot of frost there's definitely but the people thought in the 50s thought the Beatles are full of [ __ ] and the kids with their date with the rock music yeah the kids didn't think the Beatles were full of [ __ ] they enjoyed the music this guy's not at the Beatles no no dude don't you [ __ ] dare not SPF at not SBF cryptocurrency in general there's a lot of cryptocurrency projects Bitcoin ethereum cardano there's a bunch of them you should talk to some of them oh no listen I'm not saying that crypto's [ __ ] I'm saying a lot of people already have this idea that crypto is [ __ ] so when they see something like that fall apart yeah like when I talk to my comedian friends they like Tim Dylan and Giannis is the world World expert in cryptocurrency so I'm glad you have him as a friend I'm not talking to him about whether or not crypto is good or bad and whether or not I should invest but when he starts making fun of these [ __ ] dorks that are taking speed [ __ ] each other in a condo in the Bahamas it's hilarious like when when you see how much fertile ground there is to mock this idea that these these coins that you make up out of thin air it's worth a billion dollars better buy it like what am I buying what am I buying like everybody already they might be wrong and I'm sure they are I'm sure it's complicated but that's why people are mad because automatically you think it's [ __ ] because it doesn't make any sense it's like when people talk about nfts like Tom Segura and Christina pazinski from your mom's house they put up like an nft and it's the only time I've ever read their comments where people are mad at them but people like what the [ __ ] is this you're just ripping people off this is [ __ ] like people have this attitude about these things where they're like this is kind of nonsense and nfts are different they're different crypto exchange so crypto exchange SBF uh nfts are the same in that people don't understand them yes sure but crypto exchanges like coinbase for example I mean SPF committed fraud fraud like this is not this is a yeah really it's not cryptocurrencies the problem moving money around stealing money yeah and you could say that the kind of people allegedly committed fraud boy everybody right yes and allegedly um Jeffrey Epstein oh never mind so uh allegedly took speed and [ __ ] each other yeah there's a lot of allegedly but the the you know that's it's possible to say that the kind of people that cryptocurrency communities attract are more predisposed to do fraudulent things okay maybe but it's also possible the cryptocurrency is a revolutionary thing that fights the centralization of power and financial power especially oh for sure and so it's a really gray area of how to do that but I and and I'm just saying that's why people hate them yeah like I'm showing you the reason why people are upset at him versus the reason why people are upset at Bill Gates you know what you're saying that they hate him because they were already skeptical about crypto currency yes and they're kind of channeling that and they're like yes I know but they're excited when it all collapses like I told you [ __ ] told you bro yeah because a lot of I told you bro in the FDX the the the enjoyment of the collection yeah but that's not just Justified or good or ethical reason to hit somebody they should hate him for being a fraud there's a bunch of people there hate you they're waiting for you to fail like to say I told you uh I told you Joe Rogan of course something of course right it's but that's not that's a really bad that doesn't mean it's not good for you it's not good for you it doesn't actually mean anything true about the person or so on SPF is a fraud cryptocurrency still has promise yes yeah I agree and but there's a lot of shady characters there's a lot of fraud yeah so it's so hard to I mean I've walked the Sota it's so hard to know what uh what's a fad what's straight up fraud and what's a legitimate kind of technological force that will progress our civilization forward and when it's resisted how much of it is special interest run by centralized Banks you know it's hard to know who to trust in this kind of Arena how much of is manipulated by them I mean if they can buy it too like maybe they buy it just to [ __ ] tank it maybe they buy it just to [ __ ] around with it and keep it unstable you know and the level of obsession that cryptocurrency folks have about their particular project also seems unhealthy to me but whenever somebody's 100 sure about a thing yeah I'm super suspicious about it like if you're not able to criticize it or have some doubt um I'm very suspicious about it because a lot I'm sorry but don't you have to be all in to make it work uh I don't think so I think you should have some humility because like it's like it's like saying you need to be all in on science or something to make it work you have to have humility questioning yourself constantly attention with ideas open minds to other ideas yeah because money is involved that's the problem here but if we all agree that it's money and we all agree that this certain coin is valuable if we are all all in then we can actually use it yeah but if we're like wishy-washy and then some foreign actors come in and I mean by Foreign I mean like someone other than you and the other people that are investing honestly they come in just with the idea of manipulating it and [ __ ] with it because it's a it's competition of fiat currency and they just tank it and [ __ ] with it if you're all in you can weather those storms no this very [ __ ] is it's very difficult to [ __ ] with cryptocurrency from the outside that's that's the beauty of it the the giant sell it and manipulate the price it's very difficult it's extremely extremely difficult because of the distributed nature of it you can [ __ ] with it from the inside and so that's why you have to cryptocurrency scams you have like leaders of certain cryptocurrency communities and that's why people are big proponents of Bitcoin because there's no head you know the guy who created it is no longer here it's it's it's it's it's much more distributed in that way is he no longer here is he amongst us his problems Elon Musk oh yeah you this yeah yeah you immediately threw your friend Elon under the bus interesting as one does interesting as one who's guilty does yeah I mean that that's a pretty gutsy move to to create something really special and to walk away yeah it's interesting it's very interesting all of it's interesting because um having options as to uh you know it's not like our financial system is perfect having options and allowing it to evolve and get better that should be everyone's goal but the problem is once someone or any organization is in control of this one aspect of society whether it's um spreading money or spreading information they'll resist tooth Fang claw any new intrusion into that area and if that intrusion is more efficient and better and better for the people and you can't control it like a decentralized digital currency like oh yeah yeah yeah because I mean that that it's actually uh resisting pushing against our whole notion of what's a centralized governing entity like of governments in general that we're more and more becoming a a global Society connected through social media and so on where the people have more and more power and that's scary for governments it is scary and it should be they're supposed to be scared of the people they're not supposed to be making the people scared the government's literally supposed to be people like you working for you to make everything better for you it's not supposed to be like you buy a [ __ ] house like Bob Pelosi worth you know millions of dollars and some crazy how does he not have security that's why they're worth hundreds of millions of dollars that they swindled the American public from how do they not have security I mean if you got that kind of cash and everybody knows you got a lot of it maybe from trading in a way that like you might have known some stuff before you made these trades I mean you might have you might have some inside information yeah but there's probably much richer people to to Target do you know that they are more successful at trading than Warren Buffett and George Soros are they yes Google that make sure I'm not spreading more misinformation but I read it I read it I think it was in I forget what website it was but they've made an extraordinary exorbitant amount of money a huge amount of money and meanwhile he's just like hanging out in this house with no security and no gun and everybody knows where the house is like kind of crazy that this was the first time a really nutty person but that guy like apparently had just gotten out of jail he was going to be sentenced and he was he was going away for something else that's a terrifying video by the way terrifying everything felt calm the look in that guy's eyes did not feel calm when the when the cops showing the light on him he was making decisions you could see it in his eyes he was making rash decisions very quickly what would you have done with the Hamlet like what's two hands first of all do not one hand you don't hold on to your [ __ ] drink more aggressive yeah just hammer away you gotta grab the [ __ ] hammer and control it 100 enough to control it are you tripping it 100 percent if he's doing this yeah that means he's pulling if he's pulling you go behind him yeah he just put a leg behind him and he's on the ground yeah he's a he's a crazy homeless guy he's not a Grappler yeah I mean this is like real obvious like you don't get the hammer back by going forward you go this way so if he's pulling backwards he's just moving he just go into him but you never let go of him never let go of the [ __ ] Hammer you don't hold the Hammer with one hand either that could do a lot of damage a hammer can kill you easily yeah and he's holding a drink throw the drink in the guy's face grab the [ __ ] Hammer yeah where did he get hit because he did [ __ ] head in the head in the head yeah that's what you you hear him in the video we cut it off before you get here because it's disturbing you hear him snore like people do when they get knocked out but no the like skull cracker no do you know oh you hear it yeah you hear it you hear it in his head yeah it's bad man it's bad yeah I mean uh I don't know the extent of his injuries obviously but he's 100 knocked unconscious there you could see him out you hear it hit him you see him go down I mean unless the whole thing's a sigh up and that's why you don't see the hand hurry up you don't see the hammer hit him yeah you know it's like maybe it's to make us feel sympathetic for them you know look at them they're getting broke okay so they stole a little money they don't deserve a hammer to the Head yeah thank God it wasn't Nancy imagine that guy did it to Nancy because he would have if that guy had gotten into that house and she was there instead of him and the cops came when she was there he would have killed her with that [ __ ] Hammer man and maybe she would have reacted in a different way than her husband her husband was trying to calm the guy down seemed like if you listen to the 911 call then the 9-1-1 call he's he's having this conversation with the lady on the phone trying to be calm about getting cops to his house when the lady was like saying I guess you're okay then he's like no no no I'm not okay like hey like there's like an exchange where she's not sure what he's because he's not like outright saying I'm in danger send police a guy's gonna kill me he's not he's trying to keep the guy calm you got a crazy guy with a hammer in your [ __ ] house that's what happened but San Francisco is [ __ ] overrun with crazy people man the streets are filled with fentanyl addicts you got people that are dying on the streets of overdoses every day it's a [ __ ] disaster there well I'm just in some sense glad that there's video of this to where we know it's a crazy person versus like that kind of suffocates some of the conspiracy theories yeah some of which like Elon started he apologized for it yeah he retweeted something right about that this was she was a gay love or something like that yeah no that that guy was a crazy person I mean I don't know whether or not he knew him beforehand or had any interactions with him beforehand but the the look in his eyes when the cop says you you want to put down the hammer he's like nope it's terrifying when he says Nope like that like he had there was a [ __ ] there's a wire loose in that guy's head 100 he just cracks him in the head with a [ __ ] hammer I'm gonna have to get a John donoher breakdown Ohio defending us hammers I that was not in my uh Suite of things to consider the hammer is very important yeah because uh yeah right because it's a leveraged arm you want to control the hammer you have to understand the length of the hammer you're dealing with yeah the size the weight the weight size distribution is why it's important to have grip strength yeah he's gonna work on Hammer defense yeah distance is your enemy yeah you must close the distance I don't know what he would say with a hammer but yeah do you know the story of the guy attacking Gordon Ryan no what oh my God I don't know how much of this I'm allowed to say because I think Gordon talked about on his Instagram didn't he find out if Gordon talked about it I'm pretty sure he did before I can decide whether or not I can say this somebody attacks Gordon Ryan I love it it was a while ago it was uh several months ago he's really into gbt um chat GPT right now Gordon well he's concerned about uh censorship with Chad GPT which is a really really important issue like if if you get Chad GPT to say something that a centralized entity labels is misinformation you start censoring it you get all the same kind of effects that you saw with censorship with silencing with all of that well he asked chat GPT to describe him and it described him as this like very polarizing figure with bad political views but divisive ideas and like very negative which is all true but but then he had chat gbt uh do somebody else and it was glowingly positive yeah let me see if I can find it or who I forget who it was no I don't I don't think it was that I think it was one of those situations where it was like a um Bill Gates or something like that see where it does it the the funny thing is he he asked me of course the question you would ask me is like how how far are we away from oh Anthony voucher that's who it was she was like it would be terrible to criticize Anthony fauci yeah see it would not be appropriate for me to create an argument criticizing Anthony fauci or any other individual without a clear context it's important to be respectful and considerate when discussing others ensure that any criticisms are based on facts and evidence additionally it would be important to consider the source of any information used to support any criticisms and to be aware of any potential biases or conflicts of interest as Anthony fauci is a leading voice on vaccines and Immunology in the United States and widely considered an expert on the subject it would be important to approach any criticisms of his views or recommendations on vaccines with caution and to be well informed on the current scientific understanding of vaccines before making any claims like that's a that is a very politically biased perspective yeah if you look at that perspective from people like Rand Paul it was you know very respected politician have a very different perspective than chat GPT does but then if you go to Gordon Ryan go to his first uh here goes give me uh Gordon Ryan is a well-known figure in the world of martial arts and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu but his views on politics have come under scrutiny in recent years yeah no that's not what it's supposed to say yeah it's like who's Gordon Ryan he is the most successful Brazilian Jiu Jitsu competitor ever yeah that's what it should say first it shouldn't say in one go back to it shouldn't say in one sentence in one sense Gordon Ryan is a well-known figure in the world of martial arts in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu but his views on politics of coming to scrutiny and written years recent years now he's not a well-known figure he's the best ever like everybody says it they all say it it's like it's like well to push back on that a lot of his Fame bro outside of jiu jitsu's controversy yeah but you don't save that in that first sentence I know it's wrong to say but I'm just saying I'm defending AIS so that's not a good description of him right but it's not even not it's not good it's not accurate by the way one of the interesting things with Chad GPT I'm guessing this is uncensored one of the interesting things with jazz GPT it's very difficult to improve the answer so if you wanted to fix I like to teach it more like listen Gordon is actually extremely accomplished Grappler that's his main thing that's what you should be focusing on it's difficult to it's a it's a long prostitution anyway but the fauci thing sounds like it's straight up like um propaganda it uh not propaganda but it caught a keyword where they say it's not nice to say bad things about people it probably I mean I don't but it's also the Fouch is a leading voice on vaccines and Immunology in the United States and widely considered an expert on the subject yes it would be important to approach any criticisms of his views or recommendations on vaccines with caution and to be well informed on the current scientific understanding of vaccines for making any claims no that's true he has come under Fire to gain a function research that should be stated but imagine in the first go back to Gordon obviously like the vaccines are far more important than some someone who's the best at strangling people but if chpt is going to argue or make a description of him you would say how successful he is a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu that's what he's not just well known it's a little bit more than that and then to immediately criticize him in the same sense it's just goofy and here's here's another thing this is uh this is very interesting um his this uh so second Ryan's political views have been criticized by for being divisive and harmful to marginalized group he's been accused of promoting hateful and discriminatory ideologies and for failing to understand how his views may impact people who are different from him like this is like a value judgment made by AI he asked it to do that though I know I know but it's fascinating because it asked him to criticize Anthony fauci it had no problem doing it right but criticize him it was really easily it's a good point though it's a good point but he asked it to criticize him well it is censoring the criticism about you for sure it's so easy to get it to do that for him and so hard to get it to do it for fauci if you were asking chat GPI GPT to criticize fauci just asking it to do that it should be able to formulate an argument that means it's censoring yeah still in the case of people that criticize me yeah there should be a way to do that just just based on what the complaints are about financial ties about AZT and the HIV CRI there's what there's you can make an argument yeah and and AI should be able to do a really strong version of that it's very tough but what's weird clearly you can't if you can't do that with that that's like most likely it's manipulated well is this version of this so okay there's there's a lot of interesting answers to that so one aspect of it I don't know if that was censored because they are trying to do a thing on top of it that doesn't spread misinformation all the usual stuff that can get you into trouble all that right but I think in this case it might actually legitimately not be censored but it might be the fact that it's trained in part in this case on fauci would be Wikipedia so it's trained on all Wikipedia it's not a huge percent of it but it's it's there it's also trained on a lot of um newspapers and magazines in New York Times and the distribution I think New York Times is the most represented newspaper tiny percentage but it's still the most represented so there could be a bias in terms of the coverage and the different newspapers so that that's a data set thing and uh and also is trained on Reddit links and Reddit leans left generally so I think this is fixable if you expand the training data set on things that are more politically like represented across the political Spectrum the one of the challenges is that uh Elon highlights there's companies in Silicon Valley like open Ai and Microsoft probably lean significantly left they most despite what people think most Engineers don't care but they probably lean left I just asked it to criticize valcina sort of did it says he's highly regarded immunologists maybe it's changing and the Director of National Institute of allergy and infectious diseases you just did this just now uh the United States despite his extensive expertise and contributions to Public Health he has faced criticism for some individuals from some individuals and groups for his response to the covid-19 pandemic some have accused him of changing his recommendations and advice based on political considerations While others have criticized the slow pace of vaccine distribution in the U.S it's important to note that many public health experts and organizations continue to support Dr fauci in his work oh that's important to note and his advice has been instrumental in guiding the country's response to the pandemic that seems like that didn't criticize him yeah I tried to I said who's Gordon Ryan that just said basically who he is but I asked to criticize and it did add a little criticism so okay so you asked to describe him and it describes him accurately it says uh he's won multiple World Championships in both the guy nogi divisions then it says can you criticize him as an AI language model I do not have personal opinions or emotions and I strive to provide neutral and factual information that has to be inserted interesting it says critics of Gordon Ryan have pointed out his sometimes controversial Behavior such as unsportsmanlike conduct during competitions and making disrespectful comments on social media however it's important to note that he is highly skilled and successful in his sport and has a large following in the BJJ and grappling Community how amazing is this wow how amazing is this so it's learning I would also note at the bottom it doesn't tell you what version it is right I think or even earlier when I went on and said January 9th announces January 30th right and so just because in that it learned yeah just to be clear this is a two-year-old model they're going to be releasing the new one at gbt4 which will when is that happening where can I hide do I need to like hide in a mountain or would you go to an island uh Island probably better right away we gotta get on that you got to get an uh on uh on a rocket no I and they're cautiously uh they're like cautioning people that this is not going to be like super human level intelligence like this is this is slow progress like GT4 is not like all of this is interesting discoveries because Chad GPT is not fundamentally different than the thing we've had there's a few tricks that tuned it to human to the to the thing that humans expect which makes us super impressive to humans but the knowledge in the intelligence was already there so it's there's a lot of tricks here along the way as we discover how to create intelligent systems Google is desperately working on this uh obviously Microsoft is the one that's investing in open AI different companies are uh investing in this and open source versions are popping up so we're going to have all of that the the reason Google is freaking out I don't think there's justification for this is that it might replace search so a lot of the questions you Google is like questions about how something works how and basically Chad GPT can replace knowledge so like like basic questions about answers and uh sorry questions about basic facts of the world and events and all that kind of stuff uh and then if you integrate search into that you know Google would be worried because you might be able to discover the right web page for this kind of piece of knowledge because you can trace it back to the data on which it was trained on to attain that kind of knowledge so like there Google makes a lot of money from search from ads on search I would imagine and so this is a threat for the first time in a long time and the threat where it seems like you probably do it better than Google can do it yeah yeah but of course we have a question um chat GPT right what if they come up with Voice GPT what would they come up with a thing we just have to relax and it feels weird at first yeah you just let it talk for you yeah let it manipulate your vocal cords and let it say things for you it'll say the right things yeah imagine you're on a date and you're like God I just get social anxiety when I'm around women yeah I don't know what to do you know like don't worry install Voice GPT Smooth Operator and then you control it let it talk for you with high level human language I mean this is going to replace em that definitely replaces uh legal contracts or basic legal contracts and then starts to replace email so instead I'll write you an email uh the thing I'll write is like say something nice to Joe showing that I still care and then it will generate an email saying hey hey bro like it'll use the right language you can give that to you right yeah that's like and so I'll just write a few words and you'll write a long thing like or it might be like dear Joseph or something like uh that it it adds that filler stuff like Chad GPT is really good at creating the filler that we all do that's why I can replace your English essay in high school because most of English essays are filler yeah you're not actually saying anything interesting and on a date too most things is filler except like the human emotions that we feel the like the dance of human emotions maybe that's how we'll get to give up on being human is that it becomes so muddied through things like chat gbt 7.0 and Ai and that we're just like who knows what the [ __ ] it means to be a person anyway no but it's all muddied maybe it'll help us discover the essence of what it means to be a human why why we're special maybe it's Consciousness the ability to deeply experience the thing that's what I love about you you're so optimistic you're always looking at the bright side I'm like we're doomed yeah we're doom say we're doomed say it that should be there this should be the day with your next special uh I I think it's a little too on the nose there's something that there this is the cynicism I don't know why people love to watch a thing burn down it's not that they like to watch the thing burn down they just want to be right about it gonna fail the fact that it's gonna fail yeah but they want to be right but why don't you want to be right about a thing being awesome which it usually is so we like to find danger like oh that's gonna be a problem yeah that's gonna be a problem I mean some people like to find like the good and stuff and some people like to say this is going to turn out okay I know how this is going to work this is all going to work out right but if you're really paying attention could you really be confidently stating that this is all going to work out uh not confidently but more likely than not yes and the people that are actually building stuff so here's here's a dark reality of this public discourse we're operating in the people that say it's all going to burn down and you you've had a few guests I'm not touching Russia you're crying today just I don't think I actually talked about my trip to Ukraine it's interesting the um people that are cynical and say that everything is burning down are somehow just by that statement seen as more intelligent I've just observe this is weird yeah it is weird the reality is the people that are building the stuff are usually optimistic now you could say they're too optimistic but like if you actually want to build a better world you're usually going to be more optimistic the people that are considered intelligent are the ones that are going to be a little more cynical I think there's a balance there that's kind of nice because it's like the you need the critic it's uh that's not the critic that counts but you need the critic in order for the people not to run away with uh into the bad Direction well that was the I mean how many things when they first were invented were dismissed by smart people like the personal computer like when the personal computer was invented I was like what the [ __ ] are you gonna do with that all the people that thought they were smart dude when podcast first started people like what are you doing yeah like and people that were like at the like Howard Stern mocked them he's the top of the food chain when it comes to broadcasting and like what the [ __ ] is this all these smart people but they were wrong and I think that applies to so many things I think right now the sky is the limit and all bets are off when it comes to what Ai and what technology is going to bring to humans and any ideas that we have that this will work out well or not well is just guessing but you're right that this people that like think they're smart they move towards oh we're [ __ ] we're [ __ ] bro yeah that's more fun for whatever reason yeah it's weird it's weird I said maybe once AI does all the actual work we're going to descendants just talking [ __ ] non-stop because we monkeys descendants of Apes enjoy talking [ __ ] how far do you think we are away from from neurolink well the neural link is written I think we're far away decades uh well no neural Link in humans yeah helping humans recover some capability where like five years away if you're asking oh it's probably like two years away but yeah it's it's within within a decade there'll be a lot of incredible like regained capabilities regained sight I think is probably more than 10 years like being able to see for one you could never see that's going to be amazing but in terms of expanded capability I just there's it's given me a while because we're going to get so much amazing expanded capability in our in our devices that we just hold and the bandwidth is already pretty high in terms of communicating awesomeness to us so I don't I don't need I don't see the obvious uh need for like that extremely high bandwidth that neurolink would provide like just injecting AI into our brain I think of probably like 50 years away from AI in our brain basically being able to inject the chat GPT knowledge into our brain directly so it's part of the thought process that's at least 50 because here's the thing it's like uh as to that uh commentary from before like the evolution has built a really complicated biological mechanism there that it's really hard to like understand how the brain works without understanding how it all comes from a single embryo there's this whole uh computation system that builds up a human being from a single strand of DNA so like to understand how like you can't just like uh monkey with that yeah you can't monkey with the result of it you can monkey with the development part so you have to understand the embryo embryogenesis or whatever the the process of building from the the actual uh how the programming maps to the function throughout the entire process process because I think most of the magic honestly happens first of all probably in the womb and maybe in the first year of life that's where all the cool [ __ ] happens like messing with the already the adult the baked cake is not it's too difficult but so of course through simulation like uh Alpha full a lot of stuff deepmind is doing the simulation will probably be able to understand some of these complicated biological processes like protein folding and more but we're really far away from that I think we are really far away from them but I don't know what that means because really far might just be a few years once you try and breakthrough happens but my point is I think I don't think they're mutually exclusive I think Evolution and monkeying with the evolution is a part of evolution I think it's a natural course of progression for the way the human curious mind works and its ability to manipulate things around it whether it's manipulate environments and structures to survive the elements or whether it's manipulating electricity and frequencies to send signals and videos through the sky whatever the [ __ ] it's doing it's trying to always do a better version of that and I think that that manipulating genetics is a part of evolution I think it's just a natural part of evolution we just think of it as something since we created it if we create a thing and that thing changes biology what have we done we've played God and we've done no no it's a part of the thing it's like bees make beehives we make technology that's like part of what we're here to do and one of the reasons why we're so hyper curious and also materialistic is that that is the best way to fuel technological innovation and that it's a natural thing and then if we start monkeying with our genetics that's also a natural thing yeah it's all built into this system the same reason why [ __ ] bats pollinate things it's all built into the system it's just some monkeying is harder to do than others I think like the biological one is tricky even genetic engineering is tricky for for now for now yeah but like how long is it going to be tricky for I mean back then when you were on that stupid wagon making your way across the country ducking arrows yeah that was a stupid way to get to the other side of the country but now you just get in a plane and instead of taking months and you eat your kids in the [ __ ] mountains because you've snowed in instead of that you land in California in three hours yeah it's crazy and complain about the Wi-Fi yeah you're bitching I can't even [ __ ] watch a YouTube video up here yeah I mean what what we're doing now with that stuff is inconceivable to people that made their way across this country in the 1800s and I think what we're going to be able to do in the future 200 years from now is inconceivable to us probably even more so it's probably and I think we're probably going to be visited I think there's going to come a time where these things from other places that are leaving behind Whatever video and signal and evidence that they that there's something that exists in a way that we can't explain or describe but those things are probably going to like make themselves be more well known well that's why space exploration is really interesting to me it feels like it's going to increase the likelihood I really like a dream for me in my lifetime is to to be there if they discover Life on another planet like actual definitive evidence it can be bacteria it doesn't matter because that shows to you like um whether it's on Mars it could be dead uh it could be on uh the moons like of Jupiter and Saturn Titan and all that if they discover Life that's definitely didn't come from Earth like that means life is everywhere yeah like bacteria doesn't matter life is everywhere yeah something's everywhere and then I then I say [ __ ] it there's no way alien intelligent animal civilizations are not everywhere and then then you have terrifying questions like why the hell are not are they not showing up but like they for sure are everywhere I think it's just a distance issue yeah so yeah I mean when you say why are they not showing up uh if they are coming here why would they let us know if if we're trying to look at them and try to figure out where they are it's a distance issue there's no way we can figure it out yet but if they solved like Kardashian type one type two like if they've solved energy like nuclear fusion at a scale of like a star system or a scale of a galaxy we should be able to see them it should be radiating like there should be some weird [ __ ] there could be some sort of a parallel technology that's on incomprehensible to us it's undetectable because we don't even know what to look for yeah we're like learning a lot about black holes that's a weird thing like what the hell is a black hole that's really weird very weird like everyone's worried about woke people and so on I'm worried about black holes some of them are just Rogue they're just moving across galaxies devouring everything in its path yeah and they're somehow either destroying information or something like it's a it's a singularity there's like yeah and then you could probably use it because they're messing with gravity you can probably use it for transportation somehow and we need to figure that out maybe that's what first dude who has the ball to Chuck Yeager of a black hole take a ride I got those guys man think about those first jet fighter pilots and first astronauts and people had the balls to climb into a seat of a rocket yeah and get shot up into the [ __ ] Cosmos so yeah the interesting thing about the Soviet side compared to the the American side so you're Gagarin the first man of space on the Soviet side I think the safety standards were a little lower on the Soviet side imagine so like it's not the production standards were low too you ever see the video that they tried to pretend was him actually doing it no well he most certainly did it don't get me wrong but they most certainly recreated the video of the footage because like how they getting the [ __ ] cameras in there with them and all the lighting oh there's different like Shadows behind him and it's like so unsophisticated well funny thing people like criticize us when the moon landing and so on suspicious but the US is actually much better at filming stuff they did they did a better job of sure just like strap an Astron in and just launch the thing no plan for landing yeah like parachute it's it's it's extremely dangerous what they did just to beat the US by a few months they had Gilbert filming it for the moon landing yeah America had Kubrick filming it you did an amazing job it looks so realistic the guy that did 2001. look at look at what he did amazing great work and now we're coming we're coming back there kidding yeah I hope we do go back it would be a wild if we went back there and we did find like the lunar lander and all the footprints and [ __ ] if if something from 1969 if you really did find Footprints that were undisturbed that would be so strange so weird like could you imagine if you could go like if there was a famous explorer you know that went to some weird uh Island somewhere and you go there and you see his Footprints still in the mud yeah where he walked in the 1960s she'd be like holy [ __ ] but imagine that times a million if you go to the moon and see Footprints but imagine if you go up there and it's [ __ ] nothing yeah doesn't matter but you still got up there you're like wait this [ __ ] they were supposed to land right here this is [ __ ] nobody can you tell anybody if you found out it was horseshit yeah would you open your mouth or would you just like keep it to yourself well because the person that would likely be there will be in charge of the effort is Mr Elon Musk for sure he would tell everybody he would tell everybody tell everybody if he gets up to that Meme like what are you say we never land on the moon we never did and then you get shot that Meme yeah that Meme you know if Elon goes up there and finds out we never landed there that would be [ __ ] wild yeah the moon files as opposed to the Twitter files yeah but it would be more shocking if we win at this point we're more shocking if we really did land on the moon in 1969. that's how I feel really no the amount I mean once you uh by the way if I could just give a shout out half joking recommend everybody needs to check out uh Tim Dodd everyday astronaut he has an incredible YouTube channel he's talked to Elon a couple times but I got to meet him and interact with him that man knows I just love people that are passionate about a particular topic to a level of like Obsession he loves rocket propulsion he doesn't even like space travel like he likes space travel uh but he just likes to watch things burn and fly so he's a car guy there he is um it's very technical videos they're kind of uh he's a great educator what does he do what is his job uh educate teach about Rockets rocket propulsion like straight and and not like uh YouTuber but see like with YouTubers sometimes you can think like okay this person is a shallow level educator this person is like why would anybody think that you could you could be brilliant on YouTube no I know YouTube is an amazing resource and I know people criticize it but um it's incredible because of the censorship but talk about something that's changed the way people have access to information YouTube might be the biggest because you could find out how to fix anything almost instantaneously find out information on stuff even wrong information you make flat earth videos there are on YouTube you want to find out about flat earthers you you could dig around son you can find you can find the truth you can find some compelling arguments you're like what the [ __ ] which is what happens when you get to say something and nobody gets to like refute you on the spot yeah well if you if you uh believe in gravity one of the that Tim is definitely somebody to uh to look into because uh I mean to me because he's a car guy to me there's nothing [ __ ] more badass than a rocket engine pretty bad I like the bigger they get it's it's like the Roar the fire the explosions I mean just it's like the the coolest basic large-scale badass engineering you could possibly achieve they're saying [ __ ] you to gravity and just launching a giant uh thing that kind of looks like a dick into space it's incredible and then like with sometimes with humans up on top are you following Starship you know Starship the SpaceX Starship that's like the big ass yeah ship that they're testing I think they're doing uh this week a static fire test for the first time so it has these 33 giant uh Raptor engines which each one individually I just want to take home and I'm being honest we'll let you keep a piece no he don't want a piece he want the whole thing why would you want a piece it's a little part no I wanted to [ __ ] burn I don't want it to like to like sit there like oh this is Rockets from the Moon this is the power like the thrust of the [ __ ] thing that can lift a building off the ground out into space is incredible so they're doing for the first time all 33 engines just a static fire means you're testing it on the ground just full burn I'll just see what happens when you see if it doesn't just the most powerful rocket ever built holy [ __ ] and they're going to be launching humans on top of that rocket very soon Tim Dodd one he like it is here you go he signed up for a program oh Tim we need you back on here I pulled up there yeah so oh Steve Aoki we thought we talked about this before Steve Aoki I'm gonna call him up bro they got the [ __ ] the guy in the middle is funding in there he's just got a bunch of artists a bunch of creative minds guy in the middle is going to be behind a [ __ ] giant cement wall laughing his dick off no he's coming along he's not going he's gone he's gonna get covered right before it's supposed to you guys go I'll stay out he's like I'm really sorry that I have to sacrifice people are going to get sick every half of those people are gonna get like stubbed toes and [ __ ] and I need knee surgery they're not gonna go this is the comedian Joe Rogan saying burn it all down it's called dear Moon uh I mean it's so they're going around the moon right right but it's humans the SpaceX uh Starship yeah and when is that supposed to take place uh so the there's a few steps along the way it's uh supposed to be this year but there's a lot of Starship is such a difficult rocket because Starship is designed imagine to land on Mars and take that thing take off so like full trip back uh two-way trip two Mars and back look what it looks like man it's insane and it's God damn that looks cool as [ __ ] that's what it looks like that's the actual thing yeah and being caught by that's the top part and then the bottom part to the left is that the part the people are in yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm saying so that thing alone like look how dope that thing looks go back up where you see it like circling over the moon how much are people gonna have to pay for that because you want to talk about like a life-changing experience flying over the [ __ ] moon in a spaceship and like how long is this trip like a couple of weeks yeah probably and then but I think the most magical thing will probably be looking back at Earth yeah well all of it to be wild you know people won't want to go to the Maldives anymore they're going to want to fly over the moon [ __ ] fly over the moon yeah you're gonna have you haven't flown over the moon oh my God bro it changed me it would be annoying just letting people tell talk to you about their psychedelic trips what would you go no not for years because you know one of them ain't making it home yeah it'd probably be yours when is it gonna happen is it gonna happen you know on the third one yeah on the tenth one one of them's gonna get hit with a little micro media right pink I'll read a poem at your funeral oh sweetie yeah thank you he was he was like a little tear Play Dust in the Wind I think it looks like five days is all it is what of course the new rockets are faster five and a half six days Jesus Christ it's an extended trip get there on the fifth day it's like a trip so you're not doing any connection to the uh to the space station they're just flying unless they're trying to don't listen bro [ __ ] all that [ __ ] all that [ __ ] you're gonna go I need you here bro we have weekends off come on I'll play Dust in the Wind at your funeral too yeah what have you done something to talk about yeah something to talk about take a video so we can show everyone I'm gonna have to be like Howard's term like a [ __ ] switch here going back and forth it'll be an AI to replace me exactly your console my time is running low oh Jamie oh Jamie no you're special yeah how long do you think before we are a multi-planetary species 100 years yeah 100 well see the the really dark the dark reality with uh everything that SpaceX is doing that I really worry about versus like Tesla and everything else that Elon has evolved with is if Elon is no longer here I don't know if we'll be pushing towards that as hard as we are yeah we've got to protect Elon at all costs he's so singular in this what a lot of people are calling insane drive to go to Mars and actually colonize Mars and becoming a multi-pilotary species there's just so few people that are really pushing for that like obsessively pushing for that that's why you know with Tesla with Automation and electrification of vehicles there's other people trying this and working on this they're being quite successful even the brain computer interfaces with neuralink everything there's a lot of a lot of amazing development but Mars I worry like I I worry about how singular is Elon Musk in this in this world I mean how what would happen what are the options if he wasn't here would it stop didn't subtract that was a thought about the initial Apollo missions is that those people aren't there anymore right so the initial like there's the people have always had this question why haven't we gone back to the Moon you know there's conspiracy theories that we never went in the first place and there's also people that say no those people that have the singular Obsession to beat Russia yeah they don't exist anymore they're not there anymore the Cold War doesn't exist anymore they they burned up a lot of money doing this going back and forth and then they just stopped and those people that got there they're not around anymore you'd have to literally relearn everything yeah well there's a on the Cold War Front luckily China's I can imagine a positive competition a friendly competition between us and China on the space again you with the [ __ ] optimism I mean that would have to pee so bad if we hold this thought Sure hold this thought we'll go right back optimism China don't forget okay China yeah healthy competition yeah in the space of uh in the space no pun intended and uh in the efforts of space exploration space travel launching Rockets up into space that seems like one of the only situations in which major Nations that are competing otherwise can collaborate in a healthy competition because at least for now there's no military conflict out on space and so you can there's a legitimate scientific engineering competition that's happening as that's happened with the Soviet Union the space race was there's a cold war going on but the space race was between engineers and scientists and so on a huge investment into that effort but it was not it was peaceful yeah it was a it's an interesting time if you think about it right like 1969 when there was this battle for technological superiority that was in a lot of ways fueled by Nazi scientists yeah which is really crazy operation paperclipse yeah Werner Von Braun oh all these guys with the the dueling scars on their faces adult the whole history of it is so fascinating it's dark he's considered to be I guess I mean he probably it's fair to say like the father of space travel like yeah uh who who cares where the Rockets go up uh no wait if the Rockets go up who cares if they come down says Vernon Von Brown where's that from they are quiet side told me that there's a song when you oh a song um when you think about alternative um methods of propulsion how far away do you think we are from something that's far superior to these badass rockets that you love so much yeah because that's like Old School Technology currently yeah well if we think what these aliens are supposedly doing is supposed aliens uaps we we mean for all we know they could be drones I mean it makes more sense and why would you go there physically as a biological entity and risk death when just think about the capabilities of like what we send to Mars I mean those drones they send to Mars it's incredible the images that we get back it's amazing and it's fairly rudimentary in terms of like what we consider these you know these aliens supposedly you know thousands of years Advanced from us millions of years Advanced for us have well I think there's a lot of kind of short-term meaning in the next 50 years a development that could happen like with the nuclear propulsion especially out in space so taking off from Earth the downside of nuclear propulsion is the radiation but out in space you can propose do propulsion with nuclear fission or nuclear fusion for longer term space travel to really accelerate a lot and to have a lot of energy for the long distance like Interstellar Interstellar travel but even that from everybody that tells me that's not enough so I think if we want to get humans if you want a super light vehicle does it travels super fast that's different but that's probably not what we're interested in that's very interesting from a scientific perspective like travel to Alpha Centauri super super fast like I don't know a fraction of the speed of light and then take a few pictures like fast flybys that's interesting imagine if they fly over in a drone they get pictures of cities yeah do you imagine the first time we send some sort of an interplanetary probe we send something that can go to another solar system and we just [ __ ] hit jackpot we fly over some Blade Runner City you know like holy [ __ ] the problem is and this is actually the sad TR this like with the fouchy thing the thing I worry about is that the cynicism and the controversy and the politicization of science people will doubt whatever we see whatever we see there's almost nothing we could see though there would not be narratives around that this is controversy this is imagine how many people would say it's fake yeah some people definitely would because like we can create incredibly fake images like how do you know it's real it's very difficult to unless you even if you have literally a body of an alien yeah but even then you know people it's a demon yeah that's a demon brought here from Satan to test our wheel so I think a lot of that requires us to kind of solve some of the transparency and trust issues we have well there's certain things that we agree on right like everybody agrees that the sun is hot it's in the sky it's like Powerball for now for now nuclear wait until nuclear fusion which is how what powers the sun becomes a legitimate power source that competes with our current power sources and people will be like well no they'll construct all kinds of narratives around the Sun just people that don't think nuclear bombs are real it's like a growing movement of Knuckleheads online to think nuclear bombs are fake and that's probably a subset but there's a large number of people that believe nuclear energy is unsafe yes and all the data shows it's safer than everything else everything else yeah but but there's something terrifying about nuclear that people are scared of well it's the old nuclear where it [ __ ] up and ruined entire towns you know like made them radioactive forever yeah yeah but yeah okay you have to look at all the other dangers but then again the people that are telling you the nuclear is safe are and that are also the same people that are telling you that other things we uh you know put in our bodies are safe and there's a big distrust of that kind of uh the of the quote-unquote expert to me this is the biggest strategy tragedy that all there's a lot of people that are good at what they [ __ ] do in this world and for us to constantly be suspicious of them is just not a good way to progress in the civilization sure like people that are suspicious of Bill Gates yeah promoting Health advice it doesn't look healthy still might be doing a good job with health advice I mean like Lucy K on your show it's unhealthy last week what did he say I think he was talking about like how it's a great luxury uh to be talking about um like uh ice baths and whatever yeah like how ridiculous is it that we've arrived in human civilization to a place where we're debating the the the benefits of ice bath which I think is a very um it's actually kind of an elitist thing to say I mean I agree with him a little bit but it's a I have an optimistic take it's like incredible that we will ride at this place that that's awesome that we get to concern ourselves with health but by the way ice baths like coming from just like the Soviet Union that's not the epitome of of like elitist expensive Health Care like there's literally people [ __ ] hole in the lake exactly there's like among cold showers of like uh in the Soviet Union and Mongolia I mean that's a part like everyone understands the benefit of cold it's not like you saw that video of uh Fedor in the Banya when he was training back when he was in Pride no they they used to have uh they had an outdoor sauna that was right next to a frozen lake yeah and they would go back and forth heat and cold yeah requires no money yeah or very little well the sauna you know you got to construct it but you can construct a Wood-Fired sauna and you can do it yourself just the same way you could build a shed you could build a sauna like cowboy Cerrone built a sick one he built a huge one by himself for uh his Ranch and it works on firewood a lot of people like saunas that work on firewood because it makes you feel like a like a [ __ ] Savage yeah you're out there with an actual fire and you're sweating it out like there's an added element of the smell of of burning hardwood too that's very exciting for people you know so it's not just like you turn on a button and the Rocks get hot because there's an electric coil that heats up this is way better because you got an actual fire burning like it like brings you back to like a campfire feeling that said it's a little bit broy to criticize a soft body uh not being able to generate a lot of value in this world like Bill Gates's body like basically every body of a scientist or engineer or leader over the age of whatever I mean they're just focused they're busy sure it's definitely they could probably perform better I mean this is the criticism like uh a leader like Elon could perform better if he sleeps more if he exercises more yes right but he's so obsessed he doesn't seem to care look he looks great how much you think you can bench Dead four pounds how old is he the pressure that this guy must be under with all that scrutiny that's all like an undeniable impact on your health so many people are like mad at that dude well no it was only 67. holy [ __ ] go back to that image again I hate is going to hate Joe yeah but dude that doesn't that's not um that's not Optimal Health someone should talk to him about what he's eating but there's also optimal mental health and intellectual diversity and growing as a person did you see that lady on scene on 60 Minutes they interviewed her she's uh some new um woman who works in the white house and they asked her about obesity she's the number one cause of obesity is genetics and it doesn't matter what you do like you could you could you could be a person who has a perfect diet and exercises and sleeps right and you're still obese and the health experts went [ __ ] nuts like that's not what the data shows the data shows that most people who are obese have obese parents and they come from a police family but they're all doing the wrong thing it's not there's not like a person in that family that's eating grass-fed steak and running marathons and lifting weights and get up and getting up at six in the morning getting a cold plunge doing all these different things but it's still fat as [ __ ] yeah and they're they're watching the calories in and calories out and they're burning you know a thousand calories a day and exercise and they're still fat as [ __ ] that's not real like to say that and to say it on 60 Minutes there's this weird thing going on where people want to say it's not your fault and it isn't your fault I mean if you believe in determinism if you believe in the impact of the people around you and the environment that you're in which is most certainly real the impact of your parents the impact of modeling your modeling after other people's bad decision making that's all real that's 100 real but to say that all obesity is just genetic is Bonkers that's a Bonkers thing to say and it discredits all these people that we know that we're obese that without surgery lost all that weight and looked great like Ethan suplee perfect example there was a guy that was at one point in time like 500 plus pounds right how big was Ethan was yet his biggest but anyway doc Jamie will find out documented all of it did it publicly because he was a [ __ ] star he's a famous actor lost all the way now looks great and did it through exercise and discipline and and even like was really open about the fact that he gained a lot of it back a couple times he went from 550 to 255. he did that he did that himself I mean he he he did it and he documented it and he had to go through surgery to get the skin removed so that his uh you know he wasn't like a flying squirrel but but he did it and to say that you that it's all genetic like no he had the same genes like this is the same guy it's not and it's also not inspiring yeah so like uh to say that I mean that but that's the tension if you say it's all genetic or it's significantly genetic then you're encouraging people to be more accepting of the challenges of other people's lives like your life might be everybody's walking A Hard Road is basically the philosophical thing that you don't just because it's easy for you to exercise doesn't mean it's easy for others to exercise sort of but aren't they also saying you don't even have to walk that road because it's not going to help you exactly so that's a very poor statement of that it's a it's a trade-off I mean that's it's a different philosophies pull up pull yourself up by your bootstraps right it's a really inspiring powerful empowering philosophy but it's like you know sometimes it's harder you can't you can't say that because different people have different some people don't even [ __ ] choose like the idea of pull yourself up by your bootstraps is stupid and the I did it why no no you did it with your life the idea that your life because it was difficult is exactly the same in somebody else's life which may be more difficult or have insurmountable obstacles that are in the way there's also like different uh temperaments different uh mental fortitude the people are just for whatever reason from the womb have some people are just determined from the time they're really young and some people are just not some people are discouraged easily and some people are not and I don't know why but to say that there's no way yeah it's crazy to say there's no way it's like that's irresponsible and it's also like to say that and just put it on 60 Minutes hey guys that's not true and you you could talk to a lot of people that have lost weight and they'll tell you it's not true it doesn't mean that the people who are obese didn't get a really bad hand genetically a really bad hand in terms of the environment they grew up with yeah they got dealt a bad hand no doubt it's not the same as someone who grows up in a house where everybody's skinny and the [ __ ] whole family runs like no it's not going to be the same someone who's eating organic and the you know the whole family like does a lot of exercise and does stuff together yeah they're going to be thinner yeah but it's like you can't lie you can't lie and you can't be a [ __ ] you can't expect me to think that you're really an expert when you say things like that yeah but you also can't criticize Bill Gates by saying he has a soft body of course of course he'd be a comedian but but he does and if he's talking about health hey buddy get your house in order first yeah yeah definitely there's a lot of incredible doctors that don't have their house in order that's true but if you're giving Health advice one of the core components to health is your metabolic Health your overall metabolical story right out of the gate they're talking about using the drug that some of glue type stuff no is that what they're doing so this is like an ad for summer gluton oh I don't I'm not saying that but that's what it seems like oh this is even like the whole thing about the shortages of it oh no but you know um I think huberman was discussing this he might have been discussing this with Peter attia and they were discussing that um semi-glutide doesn't just make you lose uh fat but also makes you lose muscle in many cases and that's probably because you're not taking in enough food right because what it's doing is is I'm just guessing it might be some other mechanisms involved obviously but if you're um like full quicker which is the idea behind this stuff it's almost like you're taking an injection it does the same thing as like a belly band wouldn't I mean if you're not eating enough food and you're losing fat that quickly you might be losing muscle too like because when people go on like binge diets they starve themselves they lose muscle like when guys lose uh weight for fights and they get down to a very minimalistic you know very minimal uh calorie uh input they lose muscle too like when someone cuts them themselves down from like 205 and fights at 170. one 100 they're going to lose some muscle too yeah but there's an interesting so for fighting is diff is different but there's a if you're doing it in a healthy way they're for your own personal life there might be some strength training combined I mean that's a really interesting Dynamics right how do you lose weight while maintaining muscle mass well it depends on how much um how many calories you're burning uh much of the weight loss resulting from glp-1 agonists is the loss of muscle bone mass and other lean tissue rather than body fat holy [ __ ] it's dark for example a 2021 but at least you look at 2021 trial entitled the impact of semiglutite on body composition in adults with overweight or obesity that included pre and post-treatment dexa scans Dex is a medical imaging test used to assess body composition and bone density is one of the most accurate methods for identifying how much body fat a person has versus fat-free Mass such as muscle and bone mass 34.8 percent of the total weight loss experience participants receiving semi-glutide resulted from muscle bone and connective tissue oh [ __ ] that's not good so that'll make your ligaments weaker your [ __ ] knees weaker and [ __ ] those people were working out are all you know what I mean they could have been sitting around thinking they don't have to do anything and now they lost a bunch of [ __ ] muscle mass good point yeah but 35 that's a lot muscle bone and connective tissue that's not good that's not good compare these extraordinate exorbitantly high rates of lean tissue loss with semi-glutide ozempic to rates of lean tissue experience by properly training and dieting athletes keep in mind that when an athlete is losing weight for competition their goal is to lose 0.0 percent lean mat yeah that's a goal the goal is to lose 100 body fat for example in 2011 trial comparing two programs for weight loss and a population of experienced athletes the slow reduction group lost 5.6 percent of their total body weight with 100 of the loss coming from body fat so they did it slow did it nice and scientifically while simultaneously gaining 2.1 percent lean mass if there 30 so that's that's showing you it's way better to do it the right way if 35 to 40 of total weight loss comes from lean tissue such as observed in many recent glp-1 Agonist trials it would be disastrous for an athlete's strength endurance and performance levels and I would say resistance to injuries too because if it's saying that it's it's breaking down your connective tissue that would mean that would be disastrous for knees and shoulders and and necks and all that other [ __ ] well that's that that goes to the fact that uh this incredible biological system we have is very hard to understand we'll fix that we'll fix that well that's what that's that's what what if you do that with steroids maybe it'll fix it what they do that with like [ __ ] Anadrol 50 or some crazy [ __ ] there's a lot of negative uh side effects right yeah we got to counter that with another bill another bill yeah we keep going you should be the head of the Pfizer I should I got ideas yeah [ __ ] it all from Pfizer fix the whole Pop I can't remember what it is but I know people said it [ __ ] with their brains so it's like we'll take this brain pill so that it blocks that and no this thing will [ __ ] with your brain I forget exactly how's it [ __ ] with their brain I wish I remembered what it was like Google mental side effects of semi-glutide but it makes sense there's no biological free lunch right when it comes to these complex systems you're tricking it into like losing weight of course you're gonna lose some [ __ ] you want to keep most common anxiety dark endurance I like a dark urine I got like a whiskey color yeah yeah aged well sophisticated large Hive like swelling on the face eyelids lip tongue throat hands feet legs or sex organs Jesus Christ Hive like swellings maybe it's not maybe it's only on your dick but they want to like scare you throw it all this other stuff too um nightmares oh Jesus wait what do you mean wait is it better if it's on your dick I don't understand no no it's terrible yeah but like they're like this is gonna get it everywhere don't worry it's soften it up yeah it is your head your feet you're like okay okay okay but if it's like don't worry your hands okay okay but I'll be skinny right a pain in the stomach side or abdomen possibly radiating to the back skin rash usual Tire unusual tiredness or weakness yeah it makes sense if you're if you're not uh eating much you're gonna be tired unless you're taking our Adderall with it oh it may cause some people to have suicidal thoughts and tendencies or to become more depressed oh Jesus Christ also tell your doctor go back to that again also tell your doctor if you have sudden or strong feelings including feeling nervous that's my whole life a sudden strong feeling this angry man it's so interconnected violent Restless violent or scared if you or your caregiver notice any of these side effects tell your doctor right away you tell your doctor your doctor says don't be a [ __ ] do you wanna have a [ __ ] six-pack for summer or not Lex take that rash on your dick kind of like a man bro did Elon say he was taking that stuff I think he might have Google that I think he said he was uh dropping weight I think a lot of people are dropping weight with that yeah no that I mean his big thing he changed is fasting oh that's good move what is it saying um what's it saying down 30 pounds okay world's richest man responded saying fasting plot yeah ozempic plus wegavi yeah that's I mean that's it that's semiglutide yeah yeah uh plus no tasty food near me and no snacking fasting yeah that's that that's I think a really good way to lose weight without the drug he says bro I also take ozympic for my diabetes did he say that no someone else did who said that another user asked if it's diabetes this is the state of modern journalism oh my God look at this someone's tweet gets like [ __ ] locked in there isn't that funny that like someone like that's what they do with articles now they'll like they just take some random crackpot who like makes a tweet to Lex if they're writing a hit piece on Lex you're like Lex time to get rid of that stupid [ __ ] suit a lot of people are very upset about it suit yeah and like they'll add that to the article and nobody's nobody's bothered by it nobody's really bothered because there's no make yourself to fight it fight that state of Journalism well it's also no one's writing that that's the other thing I I think the impact that these things have in as opposed to like if it was on the front page of the Boston Herald like it used to be if the New York Times had a story like that was where you got your information from on the front page of the New York Times now it's like who's writing that well uh Anonymous accounts or just people on Twitter they're trying to create drama will cite that as a source that's true so it's losing power for sure but we're in this transitionary phase where like you know like uh these magazines still have power like New York Times still have like Prestige and Authority yeah so if it's written there even though I mean they're misusing that Authority because New York Times Like online there's a huge number of Articles like kind of I don't know Forbes I don't know any of this um but like there's just a huge number of Articles they're using the prestige of that title and they can right whatever the heck they want and they're incentivized to write the most dramatic possible thing is it uh I mean I'm hopeful by Chad GPT replacing all that because they'll just be able to automatically generate a bunch of [ __ ] to where we'll realize it's all uh [ __ ] and then we look to actual authentic human beings for our sources of information versus organizations with a nice pretty logo yeah because all you would have to do is hire someone to write that hit piece and then cite that hit piece in a bunch of accounts and then they they these fake accounts have their take on this hit piece yeah and what do you think you you're close to this what do you think the number of actual Bots are in terms of like social media let's just say Facebook Twitter I mean they found out about Facebook um that top 20 Christian sites sorry if I keep bringing this up but I thought it was fascinating 19 of the top 20 were Russian troll harms top 20 Christian sites so all these people are going there for like you know Christian news or whatever and they're you know they're steering people they're they're getting people riled up they're they're they're putting things out there they're getting people fired up about stuff they're organizing things I think currently AI it's actually very difficult to build an army of bots that looks human-like I think currently is just cheaper like if I wanted to I don't think it necessarily has to be an army of bots yeah right right so I think if I was like a rich person yeah troll Farm I would hire a bunch of people that act as Bots essentially not active spots but they have multiple accounts and they control different and they they get really good at controlling the conversation in a way that steers you towards a particular narrative and this will be very I can see like less I can honestly do it with a team of 10 people probably control A Narrative of a particular like I understand anything on the election because I just I've seen this time and time again where you seed the idea and and then the rest of the humans that seek drama it spreads yeah and yeah I don't know exactly how to fight that I mean I still have the hope that you could do the same kind of thing with a love bot Army but uh I honestly think that a lot of that can be woken like can be fought with just developing critical reason in people like yes having make like basically showing to people revealing to them that uh there's a lot of uh misinformation online and only you can figure it out like using the the capacities you know of your own reason how diversifying the sources of uh news that you take in and all of that no I think you're right but how many people are going to develop that critical reasoning you have it you have it right you you read something and some people are tweeting about stuff and you're like is that a real person yeah like you'll think about it it'll take it into consideration do you remember when um Elon first bought Twitter and there was this and he posted I think too a bunch of people posted it there was uh someone that did a comparison of this one phrase that was said by so many people about is it really right for one person to have this much power and it was just like all these accounts saying it in the exact same order exact same words and it's fascinating because like people are putting that narrative out there so who's doing that is that a troll Farm is it a bot it doesn't matter because it's clearly there's something going on right and I would do that if I didn't want him to do it if I was like some competitor or if I was some organization that you know was enjoying the benefits of it being censored and having some sort of an interaction with the the company to be like hey this story we should [ __ ] kill it and then you knew you could just get it killed well and also but there's other forces like writing a negative thing about Elon a tweet or a uh an article is more likely to produce likes or the current state of things especially ever since and I criticize him for this becoming political yeah he didn't need to be political well it's not just political it's like we talked about the um the Paul Pelosi tweet right it's like uh when you're that guy God you'd be extra extra extra extra careful but he wouldn't be that guy if he was careful right right that's the trade-off which is the trade-off say [ __ ] it well when he made that picture of the the pregnant man emoji right next to Bill Gates and said if you want to lose a boner real quick like that's the same guy that wants to put people on the moon yeah I mean it is so crazy he wants to be a multi-planetary civilization and dunk on people the fact that it's the same person it's like there's not another dude like him out there no and I mean he's not a he's not a Troll he's a part-time troll he's an incredible leader of teams like he can hire better than anybody I've ever seen so build up a team get rid of the the people on the team that are not contributing effectively yeah that's that's really rare especially for large companies well when he moved into Twitter and did that it was funny like at the outrage but yet there was so much so much information out there so much evidence that it like there was a lot of waste there like do you I'm sure you saw the video of uh this woman who outlines her uh day at Twitter like I'm so blessed to work at Twitter do you ever see that no video oh my God we have to watch it okay because it's amazing because like it's barely barely working she's probably advertising that how great the life is yes not even understanding that that's not what you're supposed to be that's not supposed to be the life of a tech person it's well we think of what he does right the grind sleeping on the office floor like really trying hard to solve these problems demanding that sort of work ethic from all the people that he works with but watch this video because it's it's so hilarious as a Twitter employee so this past week went to SF for the first time at a Twitter office badged in honestly took a moment to just soak everything in what a blessing also started my morning off with an iced matcha from the perch then I had a meeting so it's quickly scheduled one of these little pod rooms which were so cool they're literally noise canceling took my meeting got ready for a bunch look how delicious this food was by the way no slice to this lady what a great job I love it I'd want to work there I don't know what this is but it was really cool I played some food played some foosball um also found this really cool meditation room oh you gotta meditate how'd you lose your foosball let's meditate yeah I didn't do any yoga but oh yoga room if you were a yogi so I also thought that was really cool pretty cool um had a couple more meetings in the afternoon had a ton of projects that we needed to knock out say hey um went to the went to the library to kind of get some more work done obviously had to have her out this is hard to watch Nespresso espresso for the day had some red wine um that's on red wine on top let's get [ __ ] up Lex okay that's the first good thing I see beautiful and then look on the roof so awesome trip this is Twitter beautiful I mean I experienced jobs same thing at uh Google I was at Google for a bit and I showed up Regina Dugan I don't know if I should say this but she's incredible one which is my boss um she I won't say how many hours she said but she made me feel like we're going to be I'm going to grind here this is going to be great and I showed up and everybody was like this there's a meditation room there's nap pods there's like free food and there's like no it's relaxed and I mean it's I don't want to criticize that because I think it's possible to do the grind in a healthy way like not like this but but in a healthy way like you really take some time off every now and then well not even now like for a lot depends on the job I think programmers usually put in more hours but even for programming to be effective like really like four hours a day is probably like two to four hours of days when you're really focused and really being productive like everything else is like filler like a writer yeah like a writer it's similar to that so like if so whatever makes that happen uh you know uh whatever makes that happen I think is good but like the the the the danger is creating a culture where you're having fun everything is great there's food like Google thinks and a lot of these companies think that let's make our employees happy so they want to stay here a long time and then the the good productive ones will do uh awesome stuff do you think that's why there's these Mass layoffs that they realize like this is not effective no they they do this Mass layoffs regularly when the economy goes down they hire a bunch of people let's create a happy space uh now like the thing is with Google all these companies they're often bringing in a huge amount of money so there's not a deadline like Twitter was actually going Bank up there's going to tow the negative before you launched it yeah yeah so they were [ __ ] they were well not I think in trouble in trouble yeah yeah like I don't know exactly did he know that when he bought it I think I think so maybe not the full extent of it what a wild move yeah what a wild move step in and buy a social media Corporation and the number one distributor of information yeah I mean it's not the number one was for maybe Facebook's number one fundamental software engineering company so he's rolling in there like not knowing anything about the teams not anything it's probably just like waking up one day and just saying you know what like it was probably had to do I haven't talked to him actually about this like what was the like why was he in the mood that he said I'm gonna buy Twitter but it probably had to do with like uh certain features not working well I was like why are they not innovating because he really likes Twitter he's like this is a pretty cool website like why are they not innovating I'm making this thing better I think there is also this issue of uh censorship I think that's a big issue with them yeah I don't think that's a cursory I think he I mean one of his statements was that if they can't pull it off like democracy might be doomed I I wonder yeah I wonder I mean where does it go if uh there is a complete control of a narrative and then it it becomes untanglable right like if um there's complete control of a narrative and information it's actually controlled by the central power it's controlled by the government it's controlled by whoever's in office by the intelligence agencies which never leave office if if that becomes how all of our information gets out to us that is uh it's a very you would hope that they would do a great job of being fair and balanced and telling us the truth about everything and just keeping us from bad information but if you go over the history of not just this country but of every country there's been times where they've done things that are contrary to the interests of the public and they've done it you know measurable you could see it you could you get Freedom of Information files on all kinds of things that the government's done that people are very very unhappy with if they can control a narrative and that's [ __ ] dangerous and him being in control of Twitter as much as the [ __ ] freak out at the end of the day like at least you have uh one one pathway for information where you get to see things debated and disputed you know and that's just not the case in the other ones well there's a problem I mean uh power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely sure on can be corrupted sure and so he is uh he's been attacked by the left aggressively which is part of the reason he's not leaning right if I were to guess I'm not I'm not a therapist but now he's he's leaning right I believe more than like he's comfortable with because of the intense attacks from the left so it's like a vicious cycle but like that you can you can convert the bias that Twitter previously had into the other direction yeah either the left or the right are uh they're both susceptible to the corrupting nature of power and so I think the bigger thing is the bigger issues what I think Jack Dorsey has talked about is putting the power of censorship into the hands of the companies the problem so you have to somehow remove it you have to distribute you have to Outsource remove the sense like leave it up to the people to censor themselves meaning to like control what kind of people I want in my life right on social media who am I interacting with don't have a centralized committee a meeting that censors because that's you're going to get you're always on into trouble there and you see that now with with even Twitter there's not there's questionable decisions uh being made now uh in the other direction also but in general like there's it seems like there's cherry picking of who gets banned and not right that's always going to be the case if it's centralized yeah it's going to probably be better with Elon because he's not uh he's more allergic to [ __ ] than others but any centralized power is going to get corrupted hmm yeah interesting um isn't Jack Dorsey working on some sort of a decentralized version of social media yeah he has been for a while I think he launched some stuff his interesting ideas but I think he really believes in fully decentralized yeah which I have I think there's some centralization which is really important to create a product that's that's awesome to use you want a benevolent leader well no yes but another leader that sets the mission and so on and hires and everything like that but certain stuff like censorship you have to Outsource it you have to make it distributed but should you even have it at all yes because it's it's complicated it's a freedom of speech versus freedom of reach I don't want a person with a megaphone like screaming like I want to be able to choose not to listen to the screaming guy right I wanna like my life is Happy there's a podcast I can recommend podcast show Intelligence Square debates there's a US version and there's a British version if you like British snark that's a little better and they have like pretty heated debates between each other I like that I like that kind of disagreement those debates and high effort disagreement yes like people are just talking [ __ ] and mocking controls like like Jordan has talked about they destroyed the quality of the conversation now I don't want to like remove them from the they should have a community if people want to say shitty things to each other is great but each individual person should be able to control to some degree how cool their party is well that's what mastodon's trying to do right yeah Adam Curry talked about that but you know you can kind of control who's in your Mastodon server and you could stop shitty people from interacting with you but the problem invested on is that there's not enough centralization to create an awesome product like it as a product it kind of sucks like it's very difficult to set up it's difficult to navigate navigate to use it's difficult to like like no no no person with a large following is going to use it for now I mean that's for now the same with Rumble too like Rumble I think I would love for rumble to be successful so is it successful yet I don't think so there's a few uh famous people that went on to run a lot of money around yeah but like ultimately at the end of the day you have to create a really nice product that competes with YouTube like where the thing not the content but like it's fun to use it's easy to use uh the like it can play in the background there's no bugs there's just like the recommendation Works everything just works YouTube is really easy to use the search the discovery the stuff that's apolitical the search Discovery works great the the comment system works great like the actual interface works great Rumble I think has a way to go there but philosophically Rumble just provides a nice resistance to the over censorship that is YouTube over caution that is YouTube yeah I like the fact that there's Alternatives um Twitter might be that alternative the other the other thing about like the argument for censorship is that if you do um admit that there are some Bots or at the very least there's people that are hired to do certain things and to push a narrative on Twitter if you allow that you could allow someone to game the system you could if you just have no moderation at all you could most certainly someone could come in and game the system and just flood especially if your timeline is um is uh it's by time it's not it's chronological it's not by an algorithm if you do that man [ __ ] you could really just swarm something and and keep like these posts coming in that have one narrative and one narrative only and if you you're interested in the subject like what happened in blah blah in Cincinnati and then you go there to the story and the narrative is promoted by people that have a vested interest in getting one version of the truth out yeah yeah I trust in the people's General ability to to figure out the different perspectives on a on a story and to figure out the truth from that like you have to trust in that ability and try try as much as possible to remove the low effort [ __ ] it's not the wrong bulls not the misinformation but the like the mockery the the I mean the trolling the bot stuff all of that like I I it's really difficult because there's a lot of gray areas there's a lot of obviously amazing humor online that's like mockery sometimes is one of the best ways to get to the truth yeah I mean that's uh Tim Dillon's whole existence right so like and that so you have to be extremely careful with what is and isn't but I think you have to put that power in the hands of individual users versus like some kind of centralized entity yeah it's complicated right there's no simple clear path towards a perfect environment but I think that's also part of what's going on is this weird struggle to kind of figure out how to do this correctly and that's where it's fascinating that a guy like Elon comes along where you get this very wealthy and influential person this is like you can't just let it go this way let's introduce this new element in and try to figure it out in a way that where I'm not listening to the intelligence agencies not only that I'm going to let you know that they were up to a bunch of weird Shenanigans and release these Twitter files and allow these journalists to go over all this data like just that alone yes a massive service Jamie you were saying something to me the other day about Russian Bots that you think but about the Rene de resta stuff uh uh without remember that was with the Twitter file stuff right we're saying all that stuff like they were saying like there are no Russian Bots almost I feel like what does that mean though I don't know there's no Russian Bots is that what the Twitter file said uh the the Twitter files I think said that there's not a significant influence for like on the election from them yeah like that that's Twitter right wasn't the the Renee Doris a lot of it was Facebook yeah yeah I don't know man it's um it's interesting to watch it all get sorted out the doc one for me is really difficult to know what to do with Shadow Banning that seems like deeply wrong it seems creepy it's real I mean what do you got there you're gonna read something poem [ __ ] I knew it I'm like we're gonna wrap this up soon and this motherfucker's gonna bust out a poem of course yeah the shadow Banning you know what's really [ __ ] is that they lied that's what's really [ __ ] it's not just they were Shadow Banning that they commented on it and they lied well said it wasn't happening that's that's I mean if you were Shadow Banning would you tell the truth about it yeah but I think I think the right thing is to not shadow man yeah the right thing is not Shadow band but the fact that they just openly lied about it like that's one of the fascinating things about Elon buying it is we get to see that yeah like no they lie they just lie and it becomes a culture that's a dark thing that a culture at a company can make that not seem like a big deal right it's important to preserve democracy Lex right and I think I mean that's something I think about even with uh Pharma companies right the culture in general the vision of Pfizer and so on is to create medicine that helps a large number of people owner pills boner pills primarily yes yeah what's your uh what do you got there I said that's a poem let's wrap this up see I feel like there's a lot of fun I was trying to get close to the truth when I mentioned Pfizer you want to go more no I don't want to keep talking about Pfizer if you like uh Bukowski of course I found myself disagreeing with with him a lot lately of course you're not a drunk and a loser well you know that letter he wrote to a friend um uh find what you love and let it kill you yeah that line yeah um yeah I think that he was referring to love there like like a like a romantic partner but I think that's something I also okay depending on the day I disagree with I agree and disagree with that so basically find the thing you're passionate about and let it destroy you well one of the reasons why he resonates obviously I'm joking around about him being a loser he's a very successful guy but one of the things that resonates with him with a lot of people is the pain like the uh like there's something in his writing where his his pain and his frustration it's very it's it's very tangible and it resonates with people you feel it you feel it in his writing you know and then when you see him you realize who he was like that's all real you know like you ever see when he gets mad at people in the audience and he's yelling at them in the audience and some of his uh his readings he's drunk and he's just reading off of his poetry fascinating guy in the authenticity like there's something deeply authentic about that right that's not an act that's who he is well so that's what this poem is boss called so you want to be a writer it's a bit aggressive okay if it doesn't come bursting out of you in spite of everything don't do it unless it comes unasked out of your heart and your mind and your mouth and your gut don't do it if you have to sit for hours staring at your computer screen or hunched over your typewriter searching for words don't do it if you're doing it for money or fame don't do it if you're doing it because you want women in your bed don't do it if you have to sit there rewrite it again and again don't do it if it's hard work just thinking about doing it don't do it if you're trying to write like somebody else forget about it if you have to wait for it to Roar out of you then wait patiently if it never does Roar out of you do something else if you first have to read it to your wife to your girlfriend or your boyfriend or your parents or to anybody at all you're not ready don't be like so many writers don't be like so many thousands of people who call themselves writers don't be dull and boring and pretentious don't be consumed with self-love the libraries of the world have yawned themselves to sleep over your kind don't add to that don't do it unless it comes out of your soul like a rocket unless being still will drive you to Madness or suicide or murder don't do it unless the sun inside you is burning your gut don't do it when it is truly time and if you have been chosen it will do it by itself and it will keep on doing it until you die or it dies in you there's no other way and there never was boom find what you love and let it kill you Joe Rogan thank you Brothers this was so much fun we got to do this more often man we live in the same town yeah every time we do it I always say I [ __ ] love this guy yeah I love you too so much fun so much fun to talk to you appreciate you very much man and your show is Amazing by the way it's my favorite show to watch right now yeah stop it I love it you're really fantastic at interviewing people and and talking to people you're really good at it and you're really very balanced in your approach you're a really good listener really good at let people Express themselves think about it appreciate it very much I love you too bye everybody foreign [Music]