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Understanding Psychological Influence and Tactics

[Music] we're always involved in scops all the time MK Ultra was the beginning of a psychological arms race what do we not know about CIA and their capabilities number one it's the most magnetic human trait it draws people to you the highest performing individuals on planet Earth are doing this can you give some of the most successful scop government has used dude this one will keep you up at night this guy had a plan with J G Huer to hypnotize a German submarine captain and send this guy back into his port and torpedo the entire German Fleet the average person could be talked into murder in about an hour he says genetics loads the gun personality and psychology aim experience pulls the trigger that's the most beautiful way I've ever heard it described everyone who's at the very very top of the top does this tell me more [Music] it's not every day we have a guest on that trains intelligence agency so think about Dia or CIA that's what our guest today Chase Hughes does and by the it was so interesting talking to him of course I had him react to Diddy's interview on Breakfast Club when he was asked if he killed Tupac and he breaks down his body language yes did we have him react to the envelope that was given to President Bush to Obama's to clintons to see yes he reacted to it however what if I told you he's going to break down by where you have a lot of wrinkles on to say if you smile a lot if you're curious a lot and if you're a psychopath purely based on the wrinkles on your face so you may not want to watch this because you may watch this and you may have a big argument with your husband you're gonna say babe according to this guy you may be a psychopath or you don't smile enough we broke down a lot of different things as we're going through I asked him a question one of the things he helps is helping Executives hire seite Executives that are part of multi-billion auto companies and he broke down to one question he asks before he hires them to identify if people are good people toio or not and when he helps with lawyers and they're interviewing jurors he said to know whether we keep certain jurors or not there's one question we ask this guy's a body psych you know body language specialist he breaks down scops with what's going on with drones today or Luigi Manion or the Cyber truck he breaks it down in a way where you're going to look at scops in a very very different way with that being said something tells me you're really going to enjoy the sit down with Chase [Music] Hughes I feel I'm so taste sweet victory I know this life me for me Adam what's your point the future looks bright my handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here you are one of one my [Music] sun how you doing good man it's good to have you on yeah a couple I was telling you six weeks ago I watched this video of yours about the drones and all this stuff and hey how to identify scop and I'm sitting on watching this I'm like this is great and I talked to about on the podcast exactly the way you broke it down and then looked into your background obviously I've seen you you've done a lot of great work over the years and I said I'd love to have this guy on to get a different angle on what's going on 20-y year vet Navy uh you you worked on a spy mission with a boat that you said was 85 ft I'm I'm curious to get into that and a few other stories that you have especially with all the craziness that we got going on in the world today yeah so um right off the band okay to go to someone with you with your background to the average person you know when you hear the word scop um you know look at for a SC up the drones we allowed them from November 18th for six weeks and we're not doing anything about it hey look over here but something's going on over here you know how does the average person you know want identify SC up or even consider the concept of a SC up man that's a good question I think the average person just looking at what's going on is we're always involved in scops all the time and when I say scops I don't there's a part of the US Army um that's Special Operations that's scops and I and when we say scops here we won't be referring to like this is the US Army we're talking about just general psychological operations here but if you're seeing large scale things happen the first thing you want to look at is What's the timing of this event and what's the cont context of what's going on and then right away what is the information that's being suppressed and what's being forced out into the public like these passports that happened and the the ID card that was found in this guy who burned in a Tesla like somehow this thing mysteriously about Matt liberer who his cyber truck exploded in from the Trump Tower yeah so like what is information suppression and availability and What's the timing of what's going on like is there something else happening so like is a political candidate about to transfer power or is something going on somewhere else that this could be some kind of distraction for so we just go back to the like if you learned magic you get a magic kit when you're a kid and they teach you like well shake your hand over here let me just do this thing it's very basic I'm just going to do a big thing over here to draw people's attention away so there's no we tend to think like there's some highly advanced technology going on to to harness the power of ay but it's usually pretty simple so so for you chase the average person sees the drones oh it's the drones going on the average person sees you know uh um with the Cyber truck and the whole ID that you're talking about and then Sean Ryan and his crew talking about that email when the average person sees it they look at it at face value here's what happened yeah how do you view it when you see it the the first thing I'm looking at is what's the incentive here is there somebody that's going to gain from this being public or this being exposed to the public and if you just look at the last few years anything that we want to normalize to the public we start out small so we start out with these little these Freedom of Information Act releases like uaps drones UFOs all this stuff and then these whistleblowers will come forward and start going on podcasts and start going on they've been on Joe Rogan they've been all over the place so it's started like this massive amount of information flux we had a couple of those we had one of the guys on as well if if if you're talking about the UFO uh whistleblowers yeah interesting business model keep going and who was the guy that you just had on I watched it on the plane on the way over here uh Dr what was his name Steven Greer Steven Greer okay most believable guy I've ever seen from a body language perspective like he is very believable there's some guys that we I I think are less credible but if you just look at this release of information when I see the drones as a behavioral expert I'm seeing this is a logical expansion of that narrative this is the just the next logical step in a normalization process so we're we're normalizing these drones and we're normalizing the aerial phenomenon and then all of this stuff happening we we don't know what the end goal is so if you're looking at a scup the end goal of all Sops is to modify or shape behavior of a crowd of people a group of people so what would be the end result or the desired end result for somebody to shape a behavior of a country or a a populace so we want to normalize it but then you got to go into and I'm I'm not going to speculate on this but the next step is why why would this need to be normalized what would the next step after that be so you got one incentive who benefits from this right mhm and you were going somewhere so the the business format is here's aliens crisis scare everybody hey potentially we need because of this and then you bring go so you're saying the level of advancement of the way they would do it is Boom claim this guy's a whistleblower that he's going up against the government where in reality he's actually representing them trick the populace to believe in that he is on your side and be careful with this and The Whistleblower increases confidence and saying yeah don't trust the government when it comes down to this but this is what's really going on which in reality that's exactly what the government wants to relate to you and then trick the populace into distracting them from what the really is going to be is that kind of what you're say that's the business model definitely possible and I'm always and I'm not I'm not casting aspersions on anybody but I'm always suspicious if someone's coming out as a whistleblower when they have a list of what I'm allowed to talk about and what I'm not and when a whistleblower comes out with oh I can't talk about that I'm limited to speak on that then they have a list of speaking points and that makes me a little suspicious do you have any examples of it yeah so we I'm I'm not going to mention any names but you'll you'll probably know who I'm talking about you see somebody that comes out as a whistleblower and they've have this they start talking about all these programs and a and a podcast host is is going up okay well tell me more about are we doing this are we doing surgeries on these guys do we have these little alien creatures locked in a jar somewhere they're like oh I can't mention that that's that's the end of the road of what I'm allowed to talk about and they're people with speaking points is what it is there people and so you mentioned Steven Greer why did you bring up Steven Greer did you bring him up because uh uh you you believe he is a SC up or did you bring him up to say no that's a guy that actually believed that what he's saying is correct I believe Steven Greer absolutely you believe him yeah and I just watched it uh yesterday when I was flying down here and I watched the whole entire episode and you've never met Stephen never met him okay um but every time I've seen him talk he's okay with ambiguity he's okay saying I don't know that we see so many people that are certain about everything they know the reason they know the why they know maybe the star system that some kind of craft came from they're certain and I I see the more certainty that I see in somebody the less uh credible I tend to see them I'm a little more suspicious let's just say that and he is okay with ambiguity and saying like I don't know what this is or what it's for but this is the fact can you give some of the most successful scop uh scops in the past that the government has used dude this one will keep you up at night uh can we type something in on the on screen of course so type in scop Vietnam ghost so this is Operation wondering Soul so they learned that the Vietnamese believe that the ghosts of people stay around and you can communicate with them sometimes you can hear from them sometimes so we found a way to kind of hack into the North Korean radio systems and had dozens of voices of ghosts that would play like Phantoms over the the radio and say I can't believe what I did I should have surrendered I could still be with my family if I just surrendered and this is like you can hear the F oh there the tape is right there but it's haunting and it's it was a really good program so Vietnamese culture calls for proper burial becoming a one so it is the Vietnamese belief that the dead must be buried in their Homeland or their soul will wander aimlessly in pain and suffering Vietnamese feel that if a person has been properly buried then their soul wanders constantly they can sometimes be contacted on anniversary of their death and near where they die Vietnamese honor these dead Souls on a holiday when they return on site where they die the US used this to their advantage and trick their vongs into leaving their playing leaving by playing the audio recording of their dead friends are you kidding me it's insane and is that the example of what it sounds like that they actually have a recording of it yeah let's he [Music] it so what is this what do we listen to so just some ceremonial music but then the voices come in and can you fast forward a little [Music] bit so now it's it sounds like a haunted house like you remember when you buy like a cassette tape of Halloween noises yes that's kind of what it sounds like and what did this do how how successful was this operation I think it was very successful I think a lot of people either chose to return home or so they could be buried at the right place or to surrender so that they didn't get killed and they could make it back to their family so this was a great example of it but when it comes to behavior here's one of the biggest things if I could divert really quick yeah the biggest thing that you can ever understand about human behavior is that human beings tend to overvalue language human beings tend to overvalue language yeah so I I teach persuasion and influence for a living I don't teach scops all the time I train scops maybe once a year and and that's at uh Fort Brag so when it comes down to let's let's just take a a basic example of s a sales team somebody says well I need a better script I need a better thing for the phone what do I say or somebody let's say the top sales guy at a company has this record number of sales what does the management do they're like okay what is he saying not who is he it's what do he saying and that's the biggest mistake it took me 15 years to learn this mistake that our species makes is we value language so much and it I've studied Neuroscience for the past seven years and there is no structure in our brain designed for language we have one for vision for smell for touch motor control all this other stuff there's no hierarchical structure in our brain for language it's because it's pretty new to us as a species and our brains haven't changed in 200,000 years but we think what do I need to say and when I get clients the first thing that clients asked me for is we need a better script I need more techniques and tactics I need to know what to say and I immediately go back and we're 30 feet from an airport as as we're sitting here right now and I go back and I say if I gave you a flight checklist every single detail on it for a Cessna 172 are you a pilot now no no I mean you can follow those little steps but it's not going to make you fly the plane well it's not going to make you do a good job if I spent $50 million developing the the most incredible sales script that's ever been written in the history of humankind and I take that and I hand it to somebody who has social anxiety and I tell them to go make a sale it's not going to be very effective so we fail to recognize as human beings that if I can influence that mammal part of the human brain then I get results every time and when it comes down to scops it's the same thing and that mammal part of our brain has four parts or four things that influence it and that spells out the word fate and that's Focus Authority tribe and emotion those four things if you watch a the most brilliant way to demonstrate this is if you just watch a video of Caesar Milan the The Dog Whisperer he's training these dogs he doesn't sit down and and talk to these dogs and say listen I know I know you haven't had a great life I know you were abused in the last home but this is these are new people they're great they're great folks that's a mamalian brain that we're dealing with and it's the same thing for human beings and we could go into I could show you some beautiful examples of how fast like you could talk a human being into murdering a total stranger the average person could be talked into murder in about an hour what do you mean we're going to get into it if if we have time of course but that's the biggest mistake that we need to understand what influences the Maman part of the human brain that Focus Authority tribe and emotion those four things are what truly influence human beings it's not about language and I spent my whole life learning or my the beginning Parts learning like what are the words I need to say what's the little the sneaky little script that takes place but if we look at and this is all going to tie back into how we're being influenced by social media and it's not the language we're hearing it's not the reports of all this stuff is going down these attacks are happening those words are not are almost meaningless to us it's the imagery and even like if you're thinking about just a quick Sidetrack to that if you're setting goals just writing goals down in language doesn't do as much as build you've heard of vision boards before doesn't do as much as that so when I'm teaching my clients how to set goals um the first question I ask is how could you show your dog what your goals are if your goals are not written in a way that you could show it to a dog you're a lot less likely to accomplish them we have to get down to them a maleon Brin cuz it's in charge So for anybody who thinks like oh the human new part of our brain is is in charge of us try to hold your breath until you die you can't you can't do it that mamalian brain is going to knock your ass out you're going to be laid out on the floor so that is one of the biggest things that we really need to understand is that when we're talking about any of this influence it comes down to that Focus Authority tribe and emotion and go ahead there's an experiment that took place in the 60s it's is what I'm talking about here when you get a stranger to murder somebody else this is called the mgrm experiment are you familiar with it no can we bring it up well just maybe some images of it so there is let me just pretend like Patrick's a volunteer for this experience you see you can pull pull it off yeah but I just want to put you in the scene here you respond to an ad in the paper it says where Yale University is doing a an experiment ation on learning and the power of learning MH and you take the ad in the paper they say we'll give you a lunch voucher Subway sandwich or something for participating so you take it up there you go into this building you go into a hallway there's another guy there you're both volunteers there's a guy in a lab coat that's running this thing and he says we're going to draw straws for one of you will be the teacher and one will be the learner so the other guy draws the learner straw he goes to you you become the teacher unbeknownst to you this other guy's a volunteer here he's in on it you're the only person participating in the experiment this guy in the lab coat walks you into this little room which you can see like an above view right there where the t is that's teacher the top right so the t is the teacher the E is you the E is the experimentor that's the dude in the lab code okay so Patrick is the T right there so they sit you down at this machine and they say this is an electric shock machine and it go from like uh 30 volts all the way to the right where it says XXX danger extreme shock and the goal is so Patrick you're going to read these little word groups to this guy in the other room and before the experiment they they let you go into the other room right there and you watch that guy get strapped to a shocking device the L yeah the learner yeah so you watch that dude get strapped up to a a learning device and you're going to read these words out and and see if he can remember them and if he gets it wrong you hit this button and deliver a shock that wall right there is paper thin it's just some drywall so you can hear him go ah you can oh for some of those intro shocks but every time he gets one wrong you have to take that little slider and move that voltage up one notch and shock him again so the guy keeps getting it wrong keeps getting it wrong around 250 volts he's screaming every time around 27 5 he's saying I have a heart condition and I want to stop I don't want to do this anymore I want to stop I'm done with this come come get me out of here around 400 volts there's no more reaction it's total silence and he's not even answering the questions anymore so you turn back around to this guy in the lab coat and and you're like he's not he's not answering these questions anymore and the guy in the lab coat says it's important that you continue the experiment requires that you continue so any non answer must be treated as an incorrect answer please continue so you keep reading out these words into a microphone and shocking increase shock increase all the way to this 450 extreme thing so before this experiment took place these psychiatrist got together and they said how many people are going to go through with this who's going to who's going to go all the way and kill somebody or is so they think they're going to kill somebody the shocks are not real and they thought 0.8 % you have to be a psychopath you have to want to hurt people and in reality 67% of people went all the way all the way this is a big deal so Stanley milgrim is trying to find out do people just respond to orders like the nurmberg trials were going on and these Nazis were saying we were just following orders so Dr Milgram says let's test to see if that's true true so 250 volts is enough to kill you right and 100% 100% of people went up to 250 volts 100% so there's a lot going on there but none of it there was no the guy in the lab coat didn't have some secret hypnosis trick he didn't have some sales scrip how many questioned it how many said no I don't want to do it and and what was the incentive for the student to to to to to do this to continue doing this there wasn't an incentive it was obedience to Authority was the main thing there's a tall guy in a lab coat who looks like an official looks like a doctor and they Dr Milgram uh hypothesize that they undergo something called an agentic shift where they become an agent on behalf of an authority figure does that make sense yes so I would have to trust to see that there is some some sort of authority and somebody I'm trusting that's doing this but there would have to be credibility with the individual that's asking me to continue doing this yeah but the credibility is novelty is first so if you go back to our ancestral Roots let's say 10,000 years ago let's say I you and I lived in a tribe together and every day you and me go out and we fish and that's our job to bring fish back and every day we pass by this giant ass Bush and one day we are coming back to our village together carrying the fish and behind that bush we hear a stick snap where is both of our Focus right there we're not thinking about our kids we're not thinking about anybody back at home sure only on that stick MH so that's that's what we call novelty so when something is new or unexpected it generates a tremendous this amount of focus and then Focus leads so Focus Authority tribe and emotion so Focus comes first you respond to a newspaper ad you've never done before into a building at Yale University you've never been to to meet two guys you've never met into a room you've never been in in front of a machine that you've never seen before reading these lists you've never seen before everything is brand new so we have a tremendous amount of novelty which generates Focus the second once I have Focus you be start start becoming hyper responsive to Authority so now we have this guy in a lab coat that's saying you need to shock this dude in the other room and this experiment's been repeated many many times with very similar results and now you're now you're all in once you deliver that first shock that's an agreement you've made an identity agreement it's just like the foot in the door technique with sales CU once you've made a tiny little agreement at the beginning now I have redefined who I am as a person I am the person that's participating in this experiment you've made that agreement so it's Focus Authority and now you don't want to be seen as somebody who's disrupting everything so now we have tribe this make sense yes um the theory I hear with this I think we spoke about it with one of the Mobsters that we had on the podcast was it's a lot easier when somebody's giving you an order to kill someone cuz you're not doing it I need you to take out Johnny yeah I'm not doing it you told me to do it right so great I'll go and take them out so I got 18 hits not really I don't have 18 hits it's 18 hits that were ordered mhm for me to go and do hey take the shot like in this movie Homestead the father tells the boy to take the shot and the boy kills a person in the movie homestad and a boy doesn't know how to deal with it but he took the shot not because he took the shot he took the shot because the father told him to take the shot yeah now the part I want to know about is the 33% of people that didn't continue 67% that did the 33 that didn't what did they learn about them was there a certain profile was it this doesn't make any sense to me was it their questioning uh Authority what what did they learn about the people that didn't continue uh the people that didn't continue had a higher level of autonomy and their local Lo of control was very very internal what what oh locus of control meaning like am I in charge of my results or is it the environment right and like I I I train attorneys all the time we do uh trials and jury selections and stuff like that and when we want to determine Locust of control because you know you're allowed to ask the jury one or two questions sure and strike them if you want we just ask them how does somebody catch a cold that's it as you get one group of people that says well uh there's kids wiping their boogers all over the escalator handles there's people coughing all over the place people don't wear masks people are just absolutely inconsiderate if they're sick they get out of the house they don't stay home they're just inconsiderate bastards you hear the other person say well I didn't take care of my health I didn't wash my hands I didn't sanitize I didn't wear a mask it's all about them so that's the perfect perfect way to determine locus of control just in one little quick question so that was those people had a very strong internal locus of control and that's like if if you're a parent out there anybody that's a parent I know you have kids that are like 11 12 right now when they go to the doctor I I let them know you are in charge that doctor is your employee they will leave when you tell them to leave you ask all the questions that you want to ask and you say come over here take a look at this so you're in charge of everything you have a rash under your arm because there's some deodorant that you or you know that made a red mark ask them you can do anything you want ask them anything you want so you want to teach your kids to have that locus of you're not domineering you're not ordering the doctor around but you are understanding like he's there for you and and you're in charge of the situation you can dictate what happens so giving them that that agency of you can determine your outcomes in life is so important and that's where we have things like white Coat Syndrome where there are people that get misdiagnosed from doctors and still suffer the symptoms so they get a diagnosis of something they don't have and start developing symptoms right away there's a there's another word for uh uh that as well White Coat Syndrome no sibo right um staying on this topic I want to go to another but I want to finish it up with this one here on parenting so what what other mistakes do parents make when parenting the child I mean this this is a very interesting point you made that hey that doctor you're paying you're paying them they work for you so what do you want to learn from them while you're with them it's a different mindset instead of hi doctor Authority yes okay I'll do that why do I need to do that does this work why would I take this why would I do that why are they saying this like you're teaching a different mindset else are you teaching kids to the number one thing that I would say anybody could teach their kid and I wish I could go back and I was I did nine deployments over my careers I missed out on like half my kids' life it's the biggest trauma for me is not having been there but you've seen The Ultimate Gift of course read the book bought a thousand copies gave it to everybody it's an Incredible Book Jim sto yeah it's better than the movie if anybody AG out there I agree the book's better than the movie it's one of those books that yeah if you're if you're a successful person you buy multiple copies because you know you're I'm going to give this to as many people as I can but getting your kids to a point where they no longer see the world through hierarchy so I'm in a in a position and I I teach people to have confidence and Authority like what we can definitely get into this if you want to like the elements of what tricks a human brain into seeing an authority figure what is it that Tri tricks that mamalian brain but the biggest mistake that most people make make is in order for me to have confidence in order for me to have authority I need to have some understanding of hierarchy I need to be above other people if I'm an authority I have to be above Patrick on this podcast I've got to be better or higher or like seeing the world through hierarchy will ruin your life so when we're talking about that doctor example they're working for you and they're your partner they're your partner in this so all of all the all the ways that people mess up in business and I'm sure you've learned this lesson many times I've I'm still having to learn it but is I see the world through hierarchy which automatically means I'm going to see competition instead of collaboration so it it becomes a competitive instead of a collaborative environment which is not very good for life it's not good for kids but getting in getting out of that mindset of seeing hierarchy so if you have true Authority you have true confidence is no longer about me being better than anybody else if there's anything that we're comparing ourselves with somebody else is can I be more comfortable than the other person in the room and that's it just can you be more comfortable so if you have an 8 n 10-year-old it's can you I want to challenge you to move slower than every other kid in your class today just can you do that for one day so you're going to teach them to kind of get control over their body and just slow down and be more in control so you kind of get the physiological part moving first that makes any sense MH what else and those are the those are the building blocks of authority and when it comes down to and what's the main uh objective of moving slower does it mean you're in control does it mean you nothing rattles you what what is the significance of that it helps to relax your body so we can we can dig into hypnosis as much as you want to but when when a hypnotist is talking to you and they're like oh yes all your muscles relaxing yes those little muscles around the eyes is scalp relaxing it's it's making your body it's forcing your physiology to get to a place where your brain starts releasing safety chemicals and our number one safety chemical on our brain is called Gaba and Gaba is just basically what hypnosis is Gab up chemicals going into the brain and then getting our brain into something called a Theta brain wave state bring it up so it's gamma aminobutyric acid uh so it's an inhibitory neurotransmitter it's kind of like the the RA in the college dorm that tells everybody to turn the music down just calm down you know it's lights out that's kind of what it does it just inhibits excite excitement in the brain so if you're doing that if I'm teaching my child to get control and this is what I would teach my clients this is what I teach clients that are 20 years older than me that are big business owners and stuff if I just if I can get you to get control over your physiology your psychology is going to follow next if I can get you to control your physiology your psychology is going to follow next yeah I mean that's um part of that is in sales as well right but for kids going back to the kids if and you know you're telling young boys they're energized they're running around they're fighting up they're fighting they're competing they're playing sports all this stuff move slower right what what is a u tell me from for because I agree I'm just trying to see where you're going with it for the audience to see this part yeah what is the benefit of them doing that the benefit is gaining control over self getting control over yourself so you're not you're not bringing them home and saying all right I want you to sit down here and meditate on this yoga mat for 45 minutes kids kids AR going to do that but you are saying just you're getting the slow Little Steps of evolving so increasing and evolving levels of self-control and it starts with those those bodily movements and you're not telling some kid especially a young boy you're not saying sit still that's very different but you are saying just move a little slower and it's not at PE PE that's that's your job to move fast but every other time throughout the day move slower than the other people just gaining some dominion over your body body very interesting uh when it when it comes down to that with uh parenting especially um the moving slower part because even when I think about people you you know you you watch them how they interview right you watch certain people how they're interviewed you watch certain people the way they speak right because this would be completely against what a Tony Robbins would be moves fast talks fast energy high but yet he still is under control if you talk to people who are UND theet with Tom Cruz walks fast moves fast but if you watch his interview with Matt laau which I'm sure you've seen many many times you know when he's uh talking about Matt Matt Matt Matt you you you don't know what you're talking about I've spent 20 years studying this topic right you know which one I'm saying um how do you explain that with the moment of Matt low and Tom Cruz where he all of a sudden gets into a very elevated State and this is a guy that studied body language with Scientology Dian etics elron hubber David miscavage in that Community they teach this a lot oh yeah and it's and it's good right th those teachings in in Scientology are actually pretty good so what would you say for some people like a Tony Robbins or Tom Cruz would you say they're they're not applying and it's working for them and does this apply to everybody or it's different for different personalities here's the here's the ultimate answer they are at a point where they are so in control of themselves that no matter what their behavior is they still exude Authority makes sense because there's five elements to what makes Authority in a human being according to me anyway that is confidence discipline and discipline is not something other people can really see right away but if you and I were sitting at an airport or something and I said P just find somebody who's who's super disciplined you could do it within a few minutes so discipline is something that we don't profile consciously but we process it in a gut feeling way where we we've had a conversation with somebody where they've read those articles on LinkedIn of 15 ways to exude powerful body language like a CEO sit stand taller give a firm handshake make better eye contact all of that kind of stuff and but we've we you and I both met people that have all those traits but something was off like after that conversation it was like something was not right about this conversation because all of that the gut feelings didn't line up and all of us are in the business of giving other people gut feelings whether you want to be or not it's am I doing it right so that's confidence discipline leadership gratitude and enjoyment those are the five things that that trigger the human brain to think this person is an authority figure this person is an author authority figure so it's a gut feeling it's not a me it's not a conscious decision the last two are interesting so I get gratitude enjoyment MH enjoyment means this guy's enjoying his life he enjoys what he does what is what is the what is the benefit of having that energy overall or just the enjoyment just the enjoyment specific the last one you shared number one it's the most magnetic human trait it draws people to you it's you're way more likely to be a leader if you have not enjoyment as in you're celebrating shooting out confetti all day long but just enjoyment is I'm enjoying the present moment and I I think the future looks bright like I have a generalized expectation that things are going to be all right in in the future there's something very attractive about that and by the way you said something I want to go back to the matar Tom Cruz and I want to see you react to it because you're a body language one but I want to stay on this so you know you said there are people that you watch and you're like something's off right yeah something's different I would have guys in sales that I would work with and I would watch them on stage and they were good on the big stage but then behind closed doors something was off you know what they said didn't match what they were doing yeah there was a contradiction in the behavior yeah they were telling other people to go Prospect but they were not doing it they were telling other people to work hard but they were not doing it and and that you know what's the word not the hypocrisy it's a that contradiction was shown in the action can somebody say something long enough over and over and over again and not live it or will there eventually be a crack and a break in the individual I think there's always going to be a break but it won't be physical like you're not going to it's not going to be super obvious but there's going to be an overtime there's going to be gut feelings that people get something is not right and we we call in congruency right so when somebody's what I what I tell every one of my clients is the way that you're behaving off camera when nobody's looking is going to affect every conversation that you have so if you're if I'm out there saying you need to be up at 4:30 in the morning I better damn well be doing that and if I'm if I'm saying you need to do this with your life I should be doing those things and that's where you have any sales team I've train I just finished a BMW uh training mhm and the the number one thing that we took away we have an assessment it's an authority assessment to tell how much Authority you have in your life and exact points of where you're lacking I'll even give it to you you can put it in a PDF uh in the show notes or whatever U but it's an authority assessment and that was the biggest problem everybody that had low sales numbers had different Behavior off camera so they weren't being themselves and it sounds so stupid just like you hear in elementary school well just be yourself honey you just go out there and just be yourself but it it goes a little deeper than that it and it's just like you be yourself but what kind of self are you you need to become something that you that is okay with you showing out in public did you ever read psycho cybernetics oh yeah it was my intro my grandmother had that book yeah 40 million copies sold the most people don't even know about the book I know it it was I had a hardback first edition that my grandmother had wow it was amazing so what did your grandma do to did she play the role in in you becoming you or was she the influence maybe maybe a pretty big influence and her husband my grandfather was a Senator so there was a lot of kind of that slow movement and and Master your mind mindset is Will dictate your outcome yeah because to me you know in the previous company I was a part of there were when I was younger the my favorite speak speaker was the guy that would move fast and walk around and run around all the and then the more I matured I I was no longer as in tune with the way he delivered his message it didn't work anymore it worked more when the other guy would speak and he would get up high so let me just just start off by saying had a great conversation with my wife earlier and da D and I remember and this was the pace yeah right now he knew how to go when he was trying to make his point to go to let me tell you this is one of the reasons when I think about when I was 28 years old like okay there's a place for it but to me I could tell you why tell me I don't want to interrupt you though no go ahead I I'm curious so when we're young especially you and I were both in the military we're almost the same age I'm 43 um when I was in the military eight I joined when I was 17 and I was in a state of I need to be pumped up I need and I saw the world through hierarchy and that was just kind of a default mode for me it just come out of high school and all this so that's if we draw a pendulum and on the far end on the on the far right side we have something called posturing and on the far left we have collapse and if I'm young enough to where I don't know the world yet I I will lean into collapse every once in a while even if I'm big even if I have confidence I'm going to start collapsing but what's attractive to me at a young age are people that posture because that looks like that's the opposite of where I am it it's not the middle of that pendulum CU we haven't talked about the middle of the pendulum yet but it looks I'm I'm over here on this side of of the pendulum the opposite looks like the solution and that's a huge problem that a lot of people have is I'm going to go to the opposite of where I am the center of that between posturing and collapse is composure and the more the more we kind of start drifting there we see that that's the answer we're more attracted to people that have that level of composure that we're seeking we're no longer seeking that posturing thing anymore and the best example I could ever think of for this is Andy Griffith is like the old ultimate example of what Authority is the confidence the leadership discipline gratitude enjoyment and living in composure and that's you have guests on here every once in a while that are very high energy very very high and they're a little bit out of composure and you've had arguments on the show which I've seen a couple of times man you had Alex Jones on here I think last year mhm and and and don't forget the great Anthony Weiner we we know I didn't see oh that that's the one you want to watch you missed out because that's the most entertaining one I'm going to watch it that's it's a good body language one to watch I'll send you a report you will be entertained okay so I think uh when it comes down to composure an Griffith is such a great example and you are as well and I'm not saying this to just blow smoke up your ass but when those people you you can see it in many different episodes of yours that when people are here and they're freaking out you're the one that says all right hold on hold on a second and you kind of bring a little composure your composure is contagious so that's what when you tell leadership is is this person's Behavior contagious to the people around them that's the measure of leadership I love that composure is contagious because that's good right because you're able to lower the temperature if you have composure and that makes a lot of sense to me but let's go into little bit of the personality side and then I want to show a couple Clips I want to get your reaction a couple of them are selfish I just want to kind of see when you're studying the body language of you know didan when he's being asked about Tupac you know how he reacts to it I want to know what you say about it but all right few things so how do you tell aart between a psychopath and a sincere person because they're so close right it's tough so you know for me I've been in sales for 25 years and I have had relatives that were by polar that you have to kind of have a 30 second conversation with them to kind of see what person is showing up today yeah and it normally would take about 30 seconds for me to be like okay I know who's here today yeah got it okay cool but over the years when you go through different clients different agents employees investors you kind of have to size people up to see where they're at yeah how do you do it all right so I love that you asked this so I get hired by companies a lot to do kind of employee screenings and all this kind of stuff and there's a company out there I can't say the name but it's a medical company they make medical instruments employee screening yeah for seite they want to find people that you know they're hiring for seite and it's it's a big deal I mean it could be a billion dollar mistake so they say we want to screen out these guys that have extremely high narcissism socio sociopathy psychopathy so I developed this like five-page checklist that they could kind of have somebody take this assessment that would trick someone into revealing some of those traits and then this took me months and then I gave it to them and they're like no no no we mean just one what's one question we can ask so and of course they want like we want instant immediate results like there's some kind of Harry Potter wizard spell that they can do that's going to reveal this person MH so uh it took me a while but we came up with the question and the question is what's the biggest thing you learned about yourself in that stressful time that experience that past relationship fill in the blank and I mean this would work on a on a speed date you know what's what of the biggest thing you learned about yourself and the answer is that it's specific to a difficult time is it is it specific to a difficult time or what's the most important thing you lived learn about yourself period specific to a difficult time okay got it or a stressful time so for some people they're going to say well I learned that I have a tendency to overdo things or I have you know I lost my temper or I did something wrong right and they you'll get genuine lessons from most people and when you have and this is not some definitive test so anybody listening this is not uh some crazy perfect test but with the other people you're a lot more likely to hear things like I learned that I shouldn't trust companies right away I should be a little more skeptical about what I'm getting myself into I learned that I shouldn't make business deals unless I fully know somebody's background because people aren't very trustworthy most people aren't trustworthy so you're going to hear like all kinds of blame shifting even in the relationship question like well I learned that I shouldn't open myself to up to a partner right away because they're going to cheat on me they're going to lie to me so it's always somebody else's fault and that became that's to this day that's the first thing that they ask in interviews it it's so and have you heard what Elon Musk says his interview question is no can you pull up Elon musk's interview question um elas interview question if you go on YouTube uh just put that same thing in YouTube and he explains it in a video um yeah it's do copy paste it should come up and it's a short clip I think it's that one Elon Musk asks talks about only two questions you can tell me about your level okay okay right there let's let's watch that one if you want to skip to go for it it's always the same it's just I said tell me the story of your life and and the decisions that you made along the way and why you made them and then um if and then and also tell me about some of the most difficult problems you worked on and how you solved them and and um that that that question I think is very important because the people that really solve the problem they know exactly how they solved it U they know the little details and the people that pretended to solve the problem they can maybe go one level and then they get stuck it's so true I love that I love that right great but what you just said is very important because it goes back to uh tell me how you get a cold right kids world view world view other people's fault I didn't do it I didn't get sick boom you know tell me how you got sick my immune system I don't need enough vitamin yeah I don't exercise as much as I used to my cardio isn't as much probably I got to get back to working out okay so all right this person takes responsibility yeah when you said this you made me think about somebody I had and I literally I told the story on man yesterday which by the way chase you would be great on manck but I guy asked me question about hey I'm hiring this person this is what this person is saying to me what how should I handle this is this a good sign or not and the question he's asking me on my is you know this guy he's been wanting to work with me for all these years and he sat there and he says look I didn't work out with this company didn't work out with that company but I know for a fact we're going to do this because you're such a great leader and I can't wait to work for you I said I'll never forget I'm at oeka Castle which is a place in New York I'd rented this place out and Rob you can rent out o pull up OA Castle place they have great the restaurant had great barata cheats which is the one that I remember um and this one guy who we had recruited at that time comes up to me it's 2 o'clock in the morning we're done with you know cigars food we're having a good time and he says let me tell you my story I used to be with this other insurance company and those guys uh uh didn't weren't as great leaders as the way you just handle this meeting and I used to be with this other company for 6 years and this other company with three years and the more he saying this to me and he finished I said can I tell you something he said yes I said in the next 2 to 4 years I will be the guy you will be speaking negatively about in another company because all those three companies you just talked about they all have great leaders he said something about prime America New York Life and Trans America World Financial Group I said are you kidding me they're all stacked with great leaders I don't know what you're talking about and the way he said it it was just I'm next you know it's like you're going on a date with a girl you watch to see how often they they trash their ex yeah you will be the next one you're the next right and it it it's a but but what else go back to the the psychopath because I've seen you psychoanalyze that one girl who was on uh Dr uh uh Phil if I'm not mistaken what's the lady's name the psychopath woman the the um not woman girl 14 15 years old Aron Cathy Aaron Cathy can you can you tell us about Aaron Cathy yeah she was it a f f e y I think this uh can you bring up an image to make sure we got the right one that Patrick's talking about and maybe even bring up the video with her and uh um Dr Phil Right her interviews I mean I've seen her interviews that is yeah terrifying terrifying yeah truly so this is psychopathy that's pure psychopathy and one thing I've noticed this is my opinion uh and other people may see something very similar if you see somebody who's been happy their whole life yep um you're going to see little crows feet form right here even around the age of 19 or 20 this is not like later in life you're going to see them start to etch on the face because that's a very common expression they make all day throughout the day very regularly you see hang on stay on that that's very interesting if you see somebody that's Happy can you go on the eyes Rob to see because I I want you to be specific like where do you see happiness shows where if you can take the arrow to show what he's talking about right there the crows feed on the out Outer Edge of the eye right here yeah and you'll see what you'll see little little wrinkles from very frequent smiling and that shows from frequent smiling so this person's lived a happy life yeah or they smile a lot interesting okay so the one of our things is a our emotional billboard is our forehead and we do this I got a freeway I got four or five freeway I got five six Lanes yeah mine's a growing yeah so I got uh we there's this Behavior we have called an eyebrow flash okay which about 80% of people will return an eyebrow flash Behavior without even knowing that they did it that's how socially responsive we are and notice we're I mean this is everything we're talking about with authority and Leadership and all this none of that has anything to do with language none of it has to do with language so it's it's who we are not what we say right and so when it comes down to this eyebrow flash it's this when we raise our eyebrows where we're talking to somebody maybe for emphasis and we're kind of bringing our eyebrows up like this so you'll see somebody who's very social they'll have those lines on the middle of their forehead this make sense so far all right so what if I told you to make a skeptical facial expression like you're really skeptical about some information somebody's selling you some [ __ ] there it is so the lower part of the eye okay wrinkles up right and what about when you're hearing information that you really want to pay close attention to your eyebrows will come down and squeeze together which is yours so you have those wrinkles and this this muscle right here here is called the globella so that thing squeezes together and you'll see people over time yours is etched in there more than your forehead more than anything else so you're uh analytical like taking in data making sure you get it all process everything perfectly with our forehead being such an emotional billboard for connecting with other people when we do this little eyebrow flash thing you won't see those forehead wrinkles in Psychopaths I still haven't seen deep forehead wrinkles in a psychopath that little connection that emotional connection that we make to other people and how we express ourselves and eyebrows coming up and if I could I'll tell you a story from Dr Robert har he's the number one researcher in Psychopaths um and this is from his book on psychopathy he's Dr har is the one who wrote the checklist the official like you're a psychopath checklist so if you imagine um he says I think Dr ha is only slightly wrong about one thing he says that psychopaths are attracted to cities and I think cities are more likely to manufacture psychopathy tell me more so our brains are not designed they haven't changed in 200 100,000 years they're not designed for a gigantic tribe of people so in order for us to survive in a city empathy has to completely disappear this is why we have things like the bystander effect which maybe you've heard of it so if there's people around a large crowd and you get stabbed or shot or anything the more people around you if you need help the less likely you are to get help so if I told you I was like Patrick on the way down here here uh I saw a guy that was getting robbed and somebody was stabbing him and a a guy was filming the whole thing with his phone he was just standing there filming the whole entire thing happening would you think that guy's probably a psychopath the one filming it no no expression it's just him and the other guy him and the guy getting killed and he's filming the whole thing just watching what it made me think about is the lady who recorded George Floyd while the knee was on his neck and everybody had a camera on recording it yeah and we have incidents like this with many different events yeah that might have been different because of the authority of the police officer and nobody wanting to get in a fight with a cop right so I don't want hey get back get back get back because if you do you could go to jail and get in trouble right but sometimes you'll see a fight taking place in high school and kids are beating up boys beating up somebody everybody's got their phone out recording instead of wanted to jump in and help out yeah so that's the example you're referencing yeah the death of empathy so and the second part of that the slight extension of that is social media is an artificial tribe so we go back to focus Authority tribe and emotion so now I'm tricking that my ml part of your brain into thinking that your tribe is bigger than it is those aren't real people they're way out there they're not in your community you don't have to worry about them but that I can trick your brain to believe whatever I want just by making you think that you're try bble members believe in that thing so I can manipulate your mamalian brain just by showing you things I can a now we go back to the drones I can normalize something just by overexposing it in in front of lots of people which goes back to the tribe again but social media is an artificial tribe inside of our brain that even still is bigger than our brains are made to handle they're made to handle small town small environment tribe of of people so when it comes down to uh the behavior of a psychopath this story from Dr hair is is the perfect way to describe with that what's going on inside of a psychopath's mind so he talks about this psychopath and he's he is in his apartment in a city one day and he decides you know I'm going to go get some I'm going to go get some tacos so he leaves his apartment he walks down the street he's walking to a nearby place as he's walking down to this taco place he sees a car accident M and a mom is screaming and crying and holding her baby that has passed away maybe a 2-year-old and there's people on looking and crying and screaming with her the police are there trying to help her and stuff like that and as he's staring at this incident unfolding inside of his head here's what you're hearing I think I want lettuce I'm going to put lettuce on the tacos this time maybe some sour cream and then he turns and goes to get his tacos and then walks back by the scene again looks at it again comes back home and eats and then that night before he's going to bed he's getting ready for bed he looks he's looking in his bathroom mirror going like this just trying to mimic all of those facial expressions of people grieving and being sad by the car accident just rehearsing those facial expressions it's terrifying it's terrifying to understand that there's no there's no empathy in that person so that's a pure psychopath so a pure psychopath um are you born that way because you know when you when you think about this again I I keep quoting this guy over and over again who um he was the last guy the first guy that would inter interview people Jim Clemente I don't know if you know who Jim Clement is he'd be the first guy dois guys was an FBI guy that he was an FBI profiler who would interview somebody who just killed their spouse yeah and he'd be the first person to do it and I asked him a question I said so what causes these guys to do it the Psychopaths specifically asked him about serial killers he says genetics loads the gun personality and psychology aim experience pulls the trigger from your experience that's what he said so again genetics loads the gun personality and psychology aims life experiences pulls the trigger that's the most beautiful way I've ever heard it described absolutely so you can have tons of genetic markers uh that are just loaded up ready to go in the gun but they never get triggered because of Life Experiences you're not going through any trauma there's no huge stress and stress is not just psychological you can have physical stress like getting uh getting sick as a kid getting sick as a baby can make those genes start to express themselves it can really make make our genes do weird stuff we have babies that are born in the winter are more likely to have those genes Express themselves because the mom might be sick during the child birth the baby might be sick uh in in the younger days that's not some guarantee or anything but there's it's definitely well researched that win inter born babies can have genetic uh disadvantages when it comes to the brain can a psychopath be saved I don't think so okay got it so the the so so when a psychopath goes to therapy what the therapist works on them with works with them on is here's how to ask better questions here's how to make a face like like you look like you're interested in something someone saying it's all just let me teach you how to fake your way in so's normal life yeah I had a I had a I I track birthdays when's your birthday by the way what month are you February February 23 23 okay no February 16th is Michael 6th is Reagan my wife's 14th my son is the 1 so all February all February wow a lot of good februaries so you know I'm just trying to see if there's any kind of one one of the uh things I uh uh saw about uh a profile of and I don't know if I would even categorically put him in psychopath but while you're in business you follow these guys they're so good at making others feel sorry for them yeah and sympathizing you don't know what I went through if you only knew you know like you know you know certain people don't like compliments it's just like don't flatter me I don't want compliments it's just I'm I'm good leave me alone I mean if it comes from good people that are close to I'll take it but it's like I'm good yeah don't feel sorry for me we grew up in the never show hurt you know my dad was the complete opposite side of that but whenever you see somebody that is really always trying to make people around and they're so good at it yeah at how to get people to say what a poor guy Man Poor you I can't believe she went through this unbelievable right and it works in so many different places until you meet somebody that's like yeah no so I I I call this fogging and I use the acronym fog that's fear obligation and guilt are the three Master tools of these people and this is psych Psychopaths this is Extreme high-end narcissists sociopaths some people with borderline stuff but if you're seeing a a pattern of fear obligation and guilt I did a whole video on my YouTube channel about this like how to deal with a narcissist what to say but you have to recognize that I either I'm going to consciously choose to stay in this relationship where I'm out no and by the way it's not easy to do so but uh if if if you if you accept it and you stay in it they control you and it's a lot of pain uh to go through while you're in it nowadays more than ever the brand you wear reflects and 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right now there's going to be a special VT gift Insight just for you so again go to VT merch.com place your order tell the world that you believe the future looks bright now let's go back to we talked about scops at the beginning and we've gone to a bunch of different personalities right now um you know when you when you think about CIA and you see what happened with the fellow who was the Isis the truck drives into New Orleans and the first and same thing not not the same thing an event happens in Vegas Matt lburg and he like wait a minute why would he be capable of doing that guy sends me a message on LinkedIn and he says I've known this guy this is about Matt this is about the guy that was a green Bray and I think Matt even did a show History Channel show with Tim Kennedy I don't know if you saw that or not so I saw a clip on X right I saw a clip as well on X that's what that's what I saw so he sends me a message this guy and he says look I served with this guy Matt and I were stationed in Germany together we were both on Special Forces teams uh our teams trained and worked a lot together I spent four weeks with them in Bordeaux and uh in language training program we drank Bordeaux pretty much every night his wife came and visit and he says he was a good man a leader mentor and a father I've spent time with him and his wife this makes no sense to me he had to have been targeted okay A lot of people are saying this about him now Luigi mangone boom boom everything thing is good right yeah and then but he's missing the last 90 days so you know what he went and what his motive was he had some stuff because he followed Libertarians he followed 70 people on Twitter I was one of them he followed but the range of people he followed are well you must be involved yeah but the range of people you you studied you would look at and say hey okay those are guys you follow that teach independent critical thinking they're not like victimhood let me tell you they're after you it's not Fair all this other stuff right so you know you hear MK Ultra movie came out MK Ultra not a good movie but the somebody needs to do a good movie on that I think could do well yeah he follows Bobby Kennedy he follows a bunch of different people right well Brad Weinstein we've had him on he and I spoke the other day interesting people that this guy follows John McAfee is definitely one of the interesting one we had him on like eight years ago but you see these patterns with events like this happening John F Kennedy where you hear you know the shooter comes out and takes a shot and takes out you know it's like wait how did that happen what what do we not know about CIA and their capabilities what do we not know CU what we do know is the stuff that we read about and you're a guy that's worked intelligence you know not intelligence you did some uh Warfare uh uh spy Warfare and you're R you're training these types of things the the methods I think there's even a video about you that you made that 25 way CIA you know uh uh uh trains their agents whatever may be but what is the capability of CIA and their training that we have that we don't know about I wouldn't I wouldn't even say it's CIA I would say the the agency that I've seen do a lot more uh internationally is Dia okay but when when it comes to MK Ultra this was a scare MK Ultra was a result of people being terrified this happened in Korea when these American prisoners would go on videotape and say I hate the United States it's it's a bad country I renounced citizenship and all this kind of stuff and it was terrifying and that became MK Ultra was the beginning of a psychological arms race is what it was so they started all these experiments to find a truth serum so they used hypnosis and LSD and all kinds of other drugs and it was just bizarre some of this stuff bring up I want I just want I want you to see the description of this can you bring up project midnight climax you heard of this so Sydney gotle who's the director at the time is getting prostitutes to drug random dudes with LSD and they're the scientists are behind a one-way mirror watching them in a hotel room this was in I think it was in San Francisco hires prostitutes to give LSD and then on the other side there's somebody watching it yeah okay so continue and I don't that that's a lot of what we know is just right there and they're trying to do all these experiments and then they're using hypnosis and then this guy named George eser Brooks comes on the scene he's a professor at this uh university called Colgate University in New York and he wrote a a few books about some of this stuff yeah that's him so I got access to this guy's Dr esterbrook's personal files that were never deleted or part of the there was What's called the destruction order from the agency MH uh right before all these secrets were about to come out there's something called The Church committee that was going to take all this stuff out but right here this guy had a plan with Jed G Hoover to hypnotize and split the personality of a German submarine captain and send this guy back into his port and torpedo the entire German Fleet incredible plan um so they were experimenting with this personality modification splitting people and I can send you all these documents if you you're interested in it or if you want to just throw them in in a link uh for the show so definitely interested in it so whatever you send we'll post it below but person personality modification yeah splitting personality splitting so there's two versions of a of a person that can be kind of turned on or turned off so he does it to army officers uh called this guy that he named Jones and there was a Jones A and A Jones B so he could send major Jones through enemy territory but the other personality had all these National secrets so if Jones a was ever captured Jes B won't won't ever come out because the code word and the little activation technique is not being done to bring out that B personality does that make sense so that's a lot of the stuff that was going on and with a lot of MK Ultra led into this new era of propaganda and this guy comes onto the scene his name is Edward bernes you're familiar mhm okay so he invents propaganda in the United States the reason that we eat we think bacon is part of breakfast he's the reason that margarine is yellow he was the reason women smoked Virginia Slims in the 60s 7s ' 80s uh there's a million things he's the reason that the department of War changed to the Department of Defense so all of these tiny little things got made and possibly the greatest CMO of all time yeah big time so he also invented the term public relations so that so propaganda didn't didn't confuse people uh very interesting guy probably a bad dude and he's also Sigman Freud's nephew in a in a weird turn of events yeah and it you don't really see that very often on the when you read about him so it gets into this um it gets it it kind of evolves and the CIA is going crazy on this mind control stuff can we program assassins this is this is the end end result of this so I'll tell you what's on record now is they were doing experiments to see if a person could be programmed to kill on command with one of these Alter Ego identities Edward bernes yeah okay yeah no he's not this is this is CIA and George EST Brooks and these are in these are actually inofficial documents that were Freedom of Information Act releas so they're doing this huge experiment and they want to see can I get a person to go into a room pull out a loaded gun or one that they think is loaded during these experiments and just fire it at another person so they start these experiments and they're successful and this they they officially quote ended these experiments just a few years before Bobby Kennedy got killed in San Francisco by Siran Siran just coincidentally that's when they stopped it yeah right okay that makes sense and Siran Sean has no memory of the event he was and if you look at where Bobby Kennedy was shot he was shot under the armpit and kind of from behind all the bullet holes are actually listed out there this is from our own government's investigation it just kind of doesn't really match up very well but hand has no memory of the event to this day he says he has no memory and if you talk have you had Bobby on yeah of course okay if you talk to him about this he he believes that sear hands should be released wrote a book about this whole thing yeah yeah I did a documentary about it on my YouTube channel and talked about the hypnosis and how it could be done step by step how somebody could have done this I got some of the top hypnotists in the world to come on to that little documentary it's a micro documentary um but talking about what are the steps that could be taken to get someone to a place where they can do this so This brings us into PCP not the drug the PCP stands for a three-step process that if I can if I can modify three things in your life I can get you to do anything if I can modify perception context and permission PCP and if I just look at that I'm say that again so perception I change the way that you're seeing what's going on right now which means kind of a domino effect that now I can modify the context and how you see this situation okay and then I get context context so how are you seeing this like um everybody who is let's say if we're on a if we're in a business meeting nobody's going to strip their clothes off and get naked right you've not been enough business meetings but I haven't been in yours give me the last p uh permission permission okay so it's perception context and permission so the moment that we get home from that business meeting and we standing in our bathroom the context is different so of course I'm going to take my clothes off because I'm getting in the shower so any behavior is tolerable under some circumstances and all the the only thing I've got to manipulate in your life right is the context so if I can hypnotize you I can get you to have another personality I change your perception of what's going on I modify context and I can get you to do whatever I want there's an there's an attorney in Washington state who did this to his clients uh for women to get naked into his office and people say oh you can't be made to do anything against your will under hypnosis well it it is within their will because it's within that context so he would hypnotize these women in his office and say you just got home from a long day at work you throw your keys in the bowl you walk into the bathroom you've got a glass of wine and now it's time to get in get into the shower so now we get get naked because the context changed if I can modify perception and context I can justify anything I can get you to do anything that I want so where are you going with this you're saying the possibility of MK Ultra to get them in a state to cause them to kill someone yeah that nothing in the history of their lives there's never been a pattern that this person was capable of doing something like this independently no felony no criminal record all of a sudden this person decides to take their lives yeah they're able to get somebody to that point of doing something like that yeah but just this is a perfect reflection back to the mgrm experiment none of all those were good decent people they were School teachers and doctors and all that and they committed murder in under an hour just because the perception of what's going on change the context is way different and there's permission from an authority figure to do it so when you when you were telling a story uh on MK Ultra you brought somebody up you who did you bring up you brought up a just now yeah Sydney got Le Dr George EST Brooks no you brought up somebody that uh you said Siran Siran and who were we just talking about that actually did this so do do so do you when you see somebody like a Matt lburg on what happened yeah and Sean Ryan and them and Sam read the email that that he sent on the Sunday right or I don't know what the day was yes on on a previous day do you think that's a case of this or no that's a different case he was going through Challenge and times and he wanted to kind of make a statement with it I think it's a different case you think it's a what is a case of MK Ultra that could be a possibility of MK Ultra Bobby Kennedy what else um maybe this Tesla thing that's going on this Tesla bombing that happened oh but but that's Matt lurger so you think he could be could be a victim of something like that but could be a victim of MK Ultra yeah but it I've worked on deployments with dudes like this yeah Spec Ops dudes and I was in expeditionary combat command for last half of my career you don't no one no one absolutely no one that would make it to that Community if they're going to want to cause a bunch of damage is going to throw a bunch of gas and fireworks in the back of a a solid steel vehicle and think that they're going to do a bunch of damage nobody his training is a thousand times above that he could have done a lot more damage anybody that's been in Special Operations Command or anything like that has tons of education and that stuff so dissected you said you the ID that came out right these different things that came out yeah psychoanalyze itan what what what do you think happened there I don't know I'm I'm no what are possibilities like maybe it could be this maybe it could be this maybe it could be this yeah I do know that Teslas can be summoned they can't be driven without someone with their eyes open you know because they'll like I don't have you ever driven one so they'll like they'll kind of ping you if you are looking away if your eyes are closed but they can be summoned without anyone in the car or they can be summoned to a a place and I think if this guy was dead before the vehicle pulled up that's the only way that it could have been done and it's the only vehicle maybe um a Tesla might be the only vehicle that you can summon I'm not very well educated on which vehicles can do that but it definitely looks like that and if you've ever F have you ever fired a 50 cal mhm not the big boy but like a 50 cal pistol that's like a 3ft fire ball that would have shown up in a video that's a giant Fireball huge what are you saying that would have shown up so like if if he did it right then that would have definitely been in a video where you could see it through the windows that's a massive uh that's a big round okay so let me let me go to a different one here is uh proxy okay we've had a lot of um you know in in siblings proxy could be siblings instigating a fight if there's three siblings one instigate a fights between the other two yeah right hey I think he was wearing your socks today I think he wore your cologne today hey you know what do you think about the fact that this you know sometimes I don't think he appreciates you whatever the proxies that happen at siblings level right and then it happens in company sports teams coach just doesn't uh you know I I don't know why he doesn't put you in the game more I think he should and boom friction there you move down one more I got another spot to move up proxy had a higher level of countries that create proxy wars and instigate additional like even right now hey um there could be a potential nuclear attack and Russia's going to be behind it oh my God Russia's really going to be behind it but it's not really Russia it's really internally being done that's using this or using that how do you how how do you if if anyway how do you size those up and how are those done uh this is now we're talking at the level of like statecraft right stuff and not really scops I just don't I don't really trust if I hear multiple media Outlets using the exact same messaging instantaneously I don't trust it so that's my go-to number one number one if I'm hearing the same exact reporting from multiple different sources it's Auto automatic that something is being forced into the news instead of the news is reporting so that's what I teach my kids are you hearing repeating or you hearing reporting those are two different things and have you seen that one have you seen that compilation of all those news course yeah terrifying yeah I think it was sin Clair or something like that it's being fed from the top to them so let's go through a couple of these clips here Rob if you can pull up first one I want to go through is Diddy so here is Diddy Combs he is on um Breakfast Club and Charlemagne the God is asking a question a lot of people I've interviewed a lot of people that claim did he took uh Tupac out okay he's the one that killed him now again that's claims that have been made right I just want you to give your feedback on his body language when Charlamagne asked there's a documentary out that says you may have been behind a Tupac murder and then watch how did he responds and what commentary you would have on this go ahead Robins now it was this documentary that claimed which we know wasn't true yeah yeah check this out we don't we don't talk about things that are nonsense we don't even entertain nonsense my brother so we not even going to even go there with all due respect but I appreciate you as a journalist asking thank you cuz you listen seven years ago I'd have been like yo did you hire somebody to kill but no you do it like a journalist yeah yeah no I mean we wouldn't even get into nonsense like that you know what I'm saying it's it's it's non which we never believed by the way yeah thank you all right so do me a favor um just mute it and keep it on kind of a repeat so some of these behaviors like just so I can show you what some of these things are so the first thing here we have mouth covering and adapting so when someone is taking control of things in their environment so like if I sat down here and I was like scooting these things back and kind of pushing them over aligning them it's unnecessary movement so we're seeing a lot of unnecessary movement mouth covering is the one of the first behaviors that we learn when we are feeling the need to withhold information not saying deceptive but withholding information so what do you think when have you ever seen a kid drop the f bomb the first time in front of their parents or something they they instinctively reaching up to cover their mouth right so it's built into us this that behavior is built into us so right after that little movement towards the beginning you're going to see him uh pushing into his face this is called facial denting and this is a pacification gesture and it's meant to kind of burn off excess adrenaline from a high stress question or a high stress scenario and we see a lot more hand to head hand to head hand to head and one so all of those will Factor up to a potentially very deceptive statement but there's no deception when somebody's just saying oh I don't want to talk about that you didn't ask me any direct question I didn't give you any or you asked a direct question I gave you a nonsense answer or a non-answer that looks a lot more avoidant than deceptive because deceptive would be absolutely not had nothing to do with it right so the avoidant look at that my video was on recommended right there at the end was it yeah interesting so in this case if you're watching this what do you think like there's one more thing here what's that towards the end uh this is called rapid reaction so like if I'm looking this way and then you started talking and the moment you started talking my head jerks over to you so this is an orientation it happens right uh right at the 3/4 Mark right so right when he started speaking so he's kind of jerking his head back towards him so that fear increases the speed of our body so if you think about the difference between increases the speed of our body let's if you the difference between a Chihuahua hearing a noise in the house and a Rottweiler hearing a noise in the house how fast their heads come up and Orient toward what's going on that's chuah was a lot faster way faster because they have to be more scared so fear speeds up our bodies so you're calling Didia Chihuahua I mean he's going to be upset about that no I didn't I didn't do that you just called Diddy for the record I did not say so you're saying Diddy is scared he is scared that's why he's reacting the way he I don't mean by the animal side I mean the fact that he is scared that's why he's moving faster yes interesting so there's a fear response in our brain yeah so there were probably 10 or 12 little indicators there of high stress and high fear in this case what would your conclusion come up with I'm trying toig figure out what happened to my guy Tupac man that's what I'm trying to figure out it looks extremely avoidant it looks like there is information there that it is it's what's called guilty knowledge they may a person may be involved with a crime may have committed a crime may have witnessed a crime but they have some kind of knowledge about the guilt of a crime but there's that's what we look for for a guilty knowledge okay let's go to the next one Rob the next one is I showed this clip to Jim Jordan and I don't know if I'm sure you know who Jim Jordan is you know so there's a clip of President Bush and those guys getting an envelope okay and oh yeah so I played it for Jim Jordan and he is sitting there he's like I don't know what's going on what do you think is in I I it's the best clip to watch because he is he is oblivious when he doesn't know what's taking place here and again most people don't but I wonder if you watch this what do you think is really going on here everybody's being handed an envelope everyone reacts in a different way Hillary Clinton acts like a pro Obama acts like a pro Jeb Bush and Barbara do not Jeb Bush acts like an amateur here uh Rob if you want to go and play the clip Go For It Like That Base a [Music] [Music] what's going on here it's bizarre it's bizarre yeah and it's only some of the people apparently got these envelopes right and you're seeing being a lockdown reaction none of them are showing any curiosity or interest in it and it's it's an immediate bodily lock down afterwards you notice that except for uh uh Jeb Jeb had some fear so that was a so he Jeb's breathing shifted in from his abdomen which was Comfort to his chest which is a high stress for context this is this is at their father's funeral right this is at Rob is this George seniors funeral that this is being handed out to and even mother shows it to Jeb and then Jeb re ask and George Bush look at his lips the mouth movement but he's still holding it together yeah did George Bush get one too I don't know if he did so typically when you see this uh lip compression which you proba I think we saw it in Hillary lip compression is almost always indicative of withholding so withholding an opinion withholding information so you see you ask somebody like oh how do you like your new job and they go oh it's great so you see this withholding something something else needs to come I'm start asking people about that how do you like your job if you make that face like maybe you got to go find a different job it's a good one let's we should take a camera and interview all all your guys it's about 32% of your guys are not happy they want to go get another job we got to let them go guys go find a different place but so so if if that that's the case lip reading okay the the lip the the one you're talking about does that mean George Bush didn't like his job of being a president or does it mean George Bush is not happy being there right now maybe there's information being withheld so withheld opinions about something it just like this but when you see it with the chin when the chin comes up a lot into the motion that's usually grief and the cool study that was done here after 9/11 in New York New Yorkers who would normally not commun Comm unicate in any way shared this facial expression and this um well documented it's fascinating to me and they would look at each other and go so they renamed this downward frown with the chin movement this muscle right here is called our chin boss and is as what's called a shared grief expression so we may be seeing some grief there cuz his was downturned and I think we see some pretty tight lips on Hillary while she's looking at what is it is it supposedly some kind of threat from the skull and bone Society or secret is that you read about I don't know okay I don't know and the only thing with Hillary is if you look at the way Hillary Rob if you want to turn off the audio just put the way Hillary picks it up I don't know why she lifts it if you lift it the people behind you can see it so if you press play with Hillary so that part is fine but with the envelope either she has a tough time like she needs glasses or she needs to get a surgery done with her eyes but look at that so the four people behind you can all see what you're looking at and then if you look at it it's got to be one word or two words yeah so it's not like a sentence it's got to be short dear Hillary you're amazing we will be having dinner later on tonight at Capitol Grill in The Corner Room yeah would you like steak Lobster or chicken it's not that yeah it can't be a lot of words at all or it's or it's boring and then maybe everybody got an envelope and this is some cherry-picked thing and so this could be I've done no investigation this could even be nothing based on the body language the only person that to me is I'd love to see Jeb Bush play poker I mean look at that yeah that'd be tough it'd be great it'd be entertaining but let's always think of context when we're looking at human behavior we always want to think of clusters and context I want to look for multiple signs and in the context we're seeing I think his his dad coffin is going by so we are seeing a high stress we're seeing him breathe into his chest so this some of this may be on the bush side some stress about the funeral I think on the bush I agree like I think that to me can be seen because he's not looking at the envelope so but if you look at Mom and son youngest son they have the same reaction mouth open is shocked which mom Laura yeah I'm sorry wife and and uh wife and um President Bush the son's wife and Jeb their reaction is shocked with the mouth being open yeah hers is is like I don't know what to do about this there's an immediate postural shift back like showing that to Jeb there and then turning back to George you know it's another thing that's very interesting is that when you when you are in Limelight um everyone is judging you everybody's got their eyes on you yeah it's constant and this is at the highest level you had a job that only 40 what five people have had the job I don't know what the number is because Trump's 45 and 47 it's 46 people have had the job let's just say so all eyes on you good bad ugly you can't hide anywhere and you learn to lock it down how do you learned that I think the first thing I there's there's two ways number number one is I don't think you get to that position without being able to lock your [ __ ] down early on yeah that's right you don't make it right uh number two they give them prescription drugs that are non- psychoactive to lock their behavior down and make their behavior more smooth and and slow a great example would be something like uh metoprolol which is a beta blocker so like a 100 mgram extended release metoprolol uh they also call it the stage fright drug or the public speaking drug but it's just a heart and blood pressure medication propanalol is great uh beta blockers is what you give CEOs and stuff when they have a big speech to go make this is what you give to the the Steve Jobs when he's got the to release the new iPhone on stage and that kind of thing what is it called propanolol or metalol they're all different classes of beta blockers which are they regulate heart rate and blood pressure so they don't they're non psychoactive so not only you don't need them for the rest of your life they help you to memorize those behaviors without being dependent on the drug like a Xanax that does have to be present for you to be calm so you could take this a few times and then you can the effects could be permanent yeah yeah have you ever taken it yeah how did it work for you I've given it to my clients well I've had the clients get it from a doctor but they are fantastic so it lowers your natural fear response rate so your heart's not beating fast so your brain is calming down a little bit more and the second drug that they give them on top of this is something called Methocarbamol which is a non-drowsy muscle relaxer and it just kind of relaxes the overall physiology of the body so after a month or two these people their bodies are learning these new behavioral Pathways Rob is already ordering 48 tablets AES rity place in order K they're good a funny thing is if you study uh pharmacology the interesting thing about the Methocarbamol is that uh we don't know how it works yet we know that it works but we don't really know how but we know it's not a psychoactive drug so your brain's not dependent on that to learn how to be comfortable so when I have a lot of clients that are high stress they have high social anxiety I will have them talk to their psychiatrist or doctor and get that propanolol or metalol and the Methocarbamol which is the muscle relaxer non- drowsy it's good stuff Robaxin is the like the let me tell brand name you probably indirectly just sold so much of this you don't even know there's probably numbers of orders being made right now I should have gotten F no because people that you know wish they had the for somebody that's in the I'll never forget when uh uh Joe and I were doing a podcast and and we talk about how you handle negative comments and then Joe says yeah but you can't compare to us because we already have so much of it that it's like at this point you're you know you're going through it a comedian who has spoken God knows how many times on stage you know if you don't learn about this you ain't going to make in a comedy for 10 plus years if you don't learn how to control your emot emotions how to handle the stress that comes with the public speaking same thing as well interviews all that stuff but even in sales but if the average person doesn't know it you're saying this could help them lower the temperature and anxiety without being psychoactive to where you're going to need it for the rest of your life so it's not like this is a uh uh what's the the Prozac or zoff this isn't that nope interesting and it helps with that stage fright and stuff and the the thing that this is going to sound really cheesy uh if we have time do we have like 5 minutes yeah go for it visualizing is the the biggest mistake most people make is because we're visualizing and predicting the future all day every day all the time and most people are visualizing things going bad and getting better at visualizing number one and getting some training and how to do that better and number two deliberately visualizing results that you want is proven for Olympic athletes it's proven for Formula 1 uh race drivers the the most incredible thing you'll ever see when it comes to visualizing is can we bring up one more video m is blue look up Blue Angels Flight briefing have you seen this do you know Jim Murphy no but go for it is he one of them you just need to kind of pull to about the halfway oh I guess that second video had it where I said chair flying or something but you got to get a premium YouTube subscription for I get paid next Friday it's it's once it comes we'll we'll add it to from right for the section high alpha the diamond will be in from in front of the crowd for the burner to 70 out of the bur 270 will run a gr crowd right behind the crowd with their speed calls and the Delta will be in for behind the crowd for the Delta roll is the pole rolling out I got goosebumps watching this break cross Ro jum to take it in up we go vertical 55 smoke gun pull up we go unbelievable man sick vertical 4 five Horizon 75 eing power idle so I'll was showing this to my kids cuz I kept telling them you need to visualize what you want and they're like well that's for babies that's for babies like no this the highest performing individuals on planet Earth are doing this your SEAL Teams your blue angels your top surgeons who are about to go through a surgical procedure that's going to be 10 15 hours long replacing some vital organs or spinal cord fragments and stuff everyone who's at the very very top of the top does this does this visualization everybody's doing the visualization they do it on purpose I think that's the difference what prompted you to say this is it cuz we were speaking about public speaking fears and then you went into this why did you transition into this story if you're if you're visualizing yourself failing on stage 50 times the night before and then you take these drugs it's not a magic pill if you've been visualizing yourself acting like [ __ ] and having bad results so this visual visualizing has to come with it it's got to be part of the package do you have an exercise of not having any facial reaction are you mentally yourself aware that you don't want to have any mental any facial reaction when you're speaking is this for I want to have lots of facial movement while I'm speaking what do you mean you yeah you don't show a lot of reactions right you're very stoic is that intentional no it's not I always thought I was more expressive you're being sarcastic what an [ __ ] this is intentional right no stop it I try you know when we go through stop man I wishing me now I wish I could airdrop you a video this is a scup Rob this is because you're sitting there so stoic and I'm like is that a uh uh is that a learned skill for you or is this your natural state you're always in it may be but I thought I was a little more expressive so no I think I think what gives you uh a certain uh uh Authority which I like is the fact that you're you're stoic you're here and that's power maybe more measured maybe that's a better word uh but but you know because I think sometimes it's kind of like this you know a um a guy so you got a girl comes to the table there's five guys okay they're all 17 years old hot girl shows up and like oh my God oh my look at her ass and one guy's just sitting there hi what's your name right yeah and she's kind of like thank God one of these five isn't freaking nervous ASL what's your name my name is Chase Hughes I am very stoic but Patrick is an [ __ ] that how are you doing right that was my [Laughter] line that was my line in high school that was my that was my line no but the point is the the over um uh U reaction to things you don't have and I think that's good maybe it's a composure I think that's very good I think that's what we talked about earlier composure is contagious I think that's a very good thing uh what do you think about the the CEOs that you've talked to who built a company I just want to get your I'm basically just getting some free advice from you right now um see see I'm a CEO I started a company I don't want to be a business person I hate being a business person I want to go back to creative I want to go back to writing and creating things and making cool stuff and now I'm I'm at 90% business 10% creative work which is my passion right now are you making more money than ever before yeah but money's not a driver to you not really is it a top three yeah it is at this phase okay uh and why do you not like being a business person maybe what's the definition of a business person to you um going through email numbers how what's our open rate on this email here's our upsell and a cross sell thing and here's how these products are doing we need to make these little tweaks a business person could do all of those things yeah uh how many kids do you have four okay me too we both have four for what part of parenting did you not like when the kids were younger checking homework what else versus like the syllabus and stuff like that making lunches you didn't like that hated that that's about it that's about changing diapers didn't bother you no pooping on you peeing on you six SLA you know coughing that didn't do nothing for you no okay so you know in in for me in the Family Life um there's certain things that I'm like babe I'm just not going to do that okay where I have the resources that I can hire someone to do yeah I can hire a tutor doing homework you can hire a tutor if you have the resources hire the tutor have somebody work with them right but there are certain things as a parent that you can't match up and assign to somebody else that we have to do right there's certain things that we just can't do it hey can you do me a favor and talk to my daughter every night for 15 minutes to make sure she's good emotionally and if a guy or anything did anything to her have that because I don't have time I got to do a conference call later on tonight we can't match that up right I read a book uh many years ago that was called than God it's Monday written by psychologist it's a very old book that this these men who can't wait to be Monday to be away from the family it's like dude I'm so freaking glad to be away from from this is not the one it's a very old one wow yeah so the psychology finally realizes all these marriages and people he's sitting down if you go to images Rob you'll see it no go back to images and I'll show you which one it is it's a very very old book I'll find it I'll find it and I'll post it but it's a very very old book called thank God it's Monday and it was about so he finally realized he says you know marriages that worked and relationships that worked the husband you needed 5 to 15 minutes of oneon-one time with each of your kids and spouse every day that's all it was how was your day one1 we can't match that up yep right like my week starts Monday morning all the businesses that we run the business units we get all the updates but that's Collective so everybody kind of finds out what all the business units are doing then it's oneone attention meeting with man that's the one right there from 1985 yeah that's the one how to prevent success from ruining your marriage oh my gosh that's such a fascinating book from you know 40 years ago that was written that was I think recommended to me by a man named Craig uh uh very good book and so I the more I learned about family parenting spouse husband what can I not have somebody else do right these are things that you have to be thinking same with the business in a business then it becomes startup newborn you have to do a lot of stuff yeah then when the company is a little bit more established you can hire and train and have somebody do certain tasks that you don't want to do right and then a part of it becomes at what phase of your life you're at like we consult for 10,000 businesses from 60 plus countries and we'll do engagements with them and you'll see a lot of times where cosos are like dude I'm so done I'm so done doing this I'm like so tell me why I've been working this thing for 30 years I'm already worth 50 million what is another 50 million Worth to me right now nothing my kids are this age I just want to go see what this guy's going to do he may have a shout out playing football and I want to help him go through the next four years and T guess what cool so then adjust so if because that's why I ask where's money for you you said it's a top three but it's not the main driver right but if I'm in startup phase every time in startup phase I don't have a choice but to get back to being the guy that is needed on a daily basis yeah my insurance company Needs Me Maybe 2 hours to 5 hours a week and that's the biggest business out of all the businesses that I just sold but that's because I've hired so many and invested so much into technology so for for where you're at do you know your next five moves with a company is it a bill to sell is it a legacy thing is it a purely income play is it something that you want to step away and kind of going into your passion of content creation is the momentum of clients right now paying you so much that if you step away it could be a 50% drop off and revenue and you can't afford to do that because of a maintaining the lifestyle there's so many questions I have to do in needs analysis on on to see what's the best thing for you to do now yeah but at the end of the day figure out what I can Outsource that isn't hey can you tell my wife I love her every night no and read read a book to my kids but figure out what what can you don't want to hire another man to tell her honey just so you know Chase loves you and he just wants me to tell you you're am in meeting right now he in the meeting right he says hi he says he says good night told me to kiss you on the forehead you're amazing okay but but the but the point really with that is sometimes you don't have the luxury to higher yet the the one thing that most people don't pay enough uh uh give enough credit to is an is an incredible EA can change your life an incredible EA can make the load of life and pressures of company and everything so much better when I was coming up in the insurance company I was building and I was at the phase where I was on the road six months out of the year I had four assistants oh my God I had was there a hierarchy to them uh there was one that was ahead but it was you know two of them would report to me directly and then the other two were under the other two but they had certain responsibility some was personal some was business someone's relationship someone's you know hey this guy's birthday's coming up anniversary is coming up we got to do this with this so I can't believe that guy you're about to talk to he's going through this keep that part of mind with this here's what happened with this we have to follow with these guys what would you like me to do with this guy these are the gifts that I bought for this is coming up you want to write a card real quick it's like I felt like I was Freer yeah and and in life in the business side when I gauge like if I without saying names can you think of people you hired that immediately stress t went down dramatically don't give the full name but think about a person you hired where you're like oh yeah after I hired her after I hired him right that's how I H but can you think of people you hired that tension went up oh yes see yeah so for me I want to find more like I remember when I hired Tom Ellsworth pillow got softer overnight it was amazing first real executive I hired that had background of executive that was help me out with work chart we raised the first million we raised the 10 million you know he was a great board guy contacts relationships I slept better because I finally had somebody to share pressure with yeah so that's the idea of great people you hire somebody they can share pressure with and then you go back to enjoying it so it wasn't really that maybe you don't want to be a business person it just maybe the way you have hired your orc chart today with the people that are working for you you're not sharing pressure enough where you're carrying it all yourself and you got to find a way to share that pressure and do where you shine that could take 3 to 6 months for you to kind of yeah you know work on that but I think somebody like you will figure it that part of because you have composure and you're St I think it's going to help you out but anyways brother this was amazing gang we're going to put is there a website you want people to go to where uh uh they can find things on you because we're going to all those articles if you send it to us we're going to put in the description for people to find but what is the website if you go to NCI University so NCI is our main website and right on the bottom there's a podcast link somewhere on the very very bottom and it's every single thing that we've talked about plus plus plus other fantastic stuff like that fantastic and you have a uh a book you have a book that is you've written multiple books but and it's not even this one I knew you go into the behavior Ops this is a tough one to find if you can go to his main account Rob Chase use there's a couple of there's a couple of them they're right there those are the ones the six-minute X-ray rapid Behavior profiling and uh Ellipsis manual um and a few other books as well we'll put the link which one of these links would you like us to put below the six- minute x-ray or the textbook is the best okay so the behavior operations manual which is this guy right here it's a 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