Insights from ESA Graduate Trainee Webinar

live stream today with career fairy i think that the room's filling up could people maybe put in the chat a comment or react just to let us know we're speaking not into a void hello everyone Hi everyone, can you hear and see? Ah yes, I see lots of reacts coming in. Great, we've got Patrick, Johanna, Paula, Nikki Foras, Ivo, hi, welcome everyone. It's great. We're expecting quite a lot of people today. So I'll try to try not to read everyone's name. But I think, yes, this is great. Everyone's coming through. And can I just check? Can everyone see me as well on the stream and hear me? Great. Excellent. Yeah, it does seem like there's a few technical problems. So I'm great. Thanks, Michael, for letting me know. So. As we were now two minutes past, I think there'll be more people joining. And hopefully even on our side, there'll be an extra person to support too. Ah, it's saying my camera is frozen. I'm going to try and fix that right now. One second. Let me see if I can switch. Any luck now? Can people? No. Okay, I think that there's an issue with the camera. uh can you all hear me though at least for the moment while we're trying to figure out the okay so while i try and figure out the the camera issue i just want to welcome you all to the the stream today um we're going to be talking about the issa graduate trainee program which is indeed the you might have known from previous as the the young graduate trainee program it's basically exactly the same but we um we have ah hopefully you can see me i think it's working um super cool hi everyone um yes so the easter graduate trainee program it's same as the young graduate trainee program but we've had a rebrand of the program so it's still as you for those who have applied in the past or tuned in to these kind of streams in the past um it's uh we're here to to talk about the various programs we have nicole here And hopefully Philip will be joining shortly too. Just trying to get in with some of the technical problems. But before we jump into a very quick presentation on the slides, hopefully I can ask Nicole just for a very quick introduction of what she's doing at ESA. Yes, can you hear me? Hi Nicole, maybe, yeah. Okay, perfect. Hi everyone, I'm Nicola Rossi. Well, I hope you see me and hear me well. I'm a ISA graduate trainee, former young graduate trainee, and I am currently working in the section for Software and Artificial Intelligence in the Directorate of Human and Robotic Exploration. I am Italian and I am currently living in Germany in EAC, which is the European Astronaut Centre. based in Cologne. So here is where basically the astronauts get their training. So we have a lot of equipment, a lot of mock-up of the ISS and the Coulombus model. It is really a very interesting place. And my job, my daily day-to-day job focus on artificial intelligence and computer. So my section is really involved in understanding how this new technology can fit the space panorama and enrich also the European exploration strategy and future missions. Great, thanks for that Nicole. I'll quickly introduce myself as well. My name is Andrew Kane, I'm the entry level program coordinator at ESA. So I'm responsible amongst other programs for the EGT program. I myself was well formerly a young graduate trainee but now it's called ESA graduate trainee. I did two years working in headquarters in Paris working on the policy side and then after that I've moved to my position as the entry level program coordinator here at ESTEC in the Netherlands where I'm working in HR. so i'm gonna try and jump into a presentation um i will try and refresh this one second Okay, so we are having some technical issues. While Andrew tries to solve them, I think I will start to go through some Q&A. So let's see. I will read the question and then I will highlight it and I will answer. Hopefully we're doing better now. Okay, so maybe it's not needed. Perfect. Yeah, hopefully it's good now. So apologies for the technical issues, everyone. I'm going to try and jump now into a quick slide overview of the program before we jump into your questions and answers. I know some of you've already put questions in advance to us in the Q&A tab but also feel free to put them in the chat as well and we'll try our best to answer them. So first hopefully this one will work. Let's see, I'm trying to share the slides. Okay let me just go at the beginning. So, yeah, thumbs up, please, or claps if you can see me sharing the slides. Okay, that looks positive. Okay, so let me get the beginning. Okay, so I wanted to give a very quick overview for those of you who are not too familiar with ESA. but also a refresher for those of you who know a little bit or even quite a lot about what we do at the European Space Agency. So one of the newest updates I can say we have as of the 1st of January this year, we have 23 member states. We have a new member state Slovenia since the 1st of January taking us up to 23. All the flags you see at the bottom are our member states and we also have three associate members in Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia and even Canada as a cooperating state. For those of you who are joining also from Bulgaria, Cyprus, Croatia and Malta, you're also eligible for the EGT program because these countries are cooperating states of ESA. But one of the things you may be able to see from the flags below, but also perhaps from my accent, I'm from the UK, you'll see the UK flag there, the Swiss flag. and the Norwegian flag. So just to confirm for those of you who are not actually part of the European Union or we do work very closely with the EU and with the European Commission, particularly on our navigation and earth observation programmes, but we are a separate entity. We were founded in 1975 and we have about, well, almost 3,000 staff members now, but almost double that in terms of the workforce of colleagues from contracting companies, but also with our interns and various sort of visiting researchers that are working at the European Space Agency. What is the raison d'etre? Why does ESA exist? What's quite unique for us is that we are the only space agency in the world that's comprised of all these different member states that are using space exclusively for peaceful purposes. So it's for exploration of seeing what's out there beyond our planet here, but it's also about trying to use space to make life better for every citizen in Europe and beyond here on Earth. that's how i would sum it up in terms of where we're located our headquarters are based in paris but we have sites all across europe and even um the european spaceport which is down in french guiana it's just in south america um i'll show it in a second just so you can visualize where all the different sites are but i can confirm we have opportunities um i think this time on three different continents for the the egt program so um yeah we were bigger than just continental europe in terms of our footprint. And how much does it cost per year? It's about our budget is 7.8 billion euros per year and that equates to about 15 euros per European per year depending on the countries that you're checking in from. Sometimes that's the price of a cinema ticket or a small popcorn depending on where you're coming in from but relatively speaking it's a really good value for money I'd say. And then in terms of the next slide. So all of all of what we're doing is possible thanks to the collaboration of all of those states represented by the flags that you see below. What I would highlight is ESA is active across every area of the space sector. And you will see that when it comes to our EGT opportunities. They're really across every directorate, like I mentioned, across three different continents. We have positions available. and what's unique is it really is in every kind of topic you can imagine to do with space we're very broad at easter in terms of our um our expertise although i would particularly highlight we are world leaders um in our earth observation and navigation um directorates uh particularly with our copernicus and galileo programs um uh respectively But in essence, when you come to ESA, you really do feel that we are world leader in science and technology. And it's with that leadership that we've an expertise that we've developed over 80 satellites. In particular, I want to highlight one, which I hope Nicole will be able to talk about and Philip, if he's able to join. YPSAT is one of the satellites which was developed by our young professionals, early career professionals at ESA. And these satellites have been launched. over 200 times from the European space spot in Kourou. So you should be able to see now. Here we go. So in the bottom of the map on that side, you'll see the European space spot, which is nestled just above Brazil in French Guiana at the equator. This is where we work with the French Space Agency to launch the payloads that we develop in Europe, but also for our partners. but in terms of the other sites where you could be working as a ESA graduate trainee I'd say the vast majority of our positions are going to be in ESTEC where I am today it's the technical heart of the agency it's where our technology directorate is as well a lot of our engineering positions this is where Nicole started out her EGT position before she then moved down to the EAC which is my favorite of ESA establishments because it's where our astronauts are it's the european astronaut center so it's where we train our astronauts for missions but also uh our partner astronauts whether it's from from nasa or jaxa um the australian space agency the these astronauts will come to the easter for for their training also in germany we have the operations center which is in darmstadt just outside of frankfurt in germany this is where we try and track and control all the european spacecraft and make sure it stays up in space doing what it's intended to do. Really cool too. I'd also highlight Esrin, which is just outside of Rome in a place called Frascati. This is really our Earth observation and IT center of excellence. One of my favorite establishments, if only for the canteen, really nice food and pizza. It's stereotypical, but it's very true. So if you are lucky enough to be selected for a position in Esrin. you make sure to take advantage of that and also the coffee is by far the best we have um in my opinion at all the different sites um i also think the site in isaac what we call isaac which is just outside of madrid's a really cool one as well this is really our astronomy center where a lot of our cool science operations are happening vis-a-vis astronomy and planetary missions. Relatively small, but it has a really nice, interesting culture and flavor there. And I think one of the things I always like when I go there is that you even see the ruins of a small castle on site, which is really cool. And Exat, where I'm from in the UK, this is just outside of Oxford. This is really... where a lot of our hub on commercialization and telecommunications activity is. It's a really nice, small, but growing establishment. We have one of our smaller ones, which is Ezec, just in Belgium, close to the Luxembourg border. This is where our education hub is. And there's positions in the EGT campaign this year that are based there, but also some cybersecurity competences as well. And then very finally, our headquarters in Paris. This is really the political. business heart of the agency I would say but we have several opportunities that are based there across different areas so just as a very quick overview we're going to be talking about the ESA graduate trainee program today but I will very briefly touch upon some of the other ones that are in my remit for those of you who are still students you can apply for the ESA internship program this is open every November and it's a really nice way to make your EGT application look stronger even if it's not not necessary to be selected. Our latest program which will hopefully be announced very soon officially is called the National Graduate Trainee Program. It's essentially exactly the same as the ESA Graduate Trainee Program but it's open to nationals and citizens of specific countries that are participating in this scheme in addition. In the past we've had Poland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Lithuania and Estonia. I'd like to think that these countries will be participating soon but keep your eyes open for that because it's another opportunity to have a one to two year graduate experience at ESA. For those of you who are doing or thinking of doing a PhD we have the research fellowship program which functions a bit like a postdoc and that's for two to three years working at ESA and then a little bit linked to that if you're looking for co-funding for your PhD. you can look at ESA co-funded research. I put it in red because it's not under my remit as an entry level program but it is really linked to the research activities we're doing at ESA and it's a nice pipeline for the research fellowship program. And then very finally the junior professional program, so this is essentially what might come at the end of your EGT experience at ESA. We're looking for people with two to three years of experience at the end of their master's degree. to come and join a four-year development program which results in a permanent staff position at ESA. And now this has been approved. We had a trial which started in 2021 and we're going to be doing this on an annual basis now. Every April there'll be 15 positions open across all different subject areas and we see the EGT as a nice foundational experience to apply for that program. Again, not necessary but it's... you see the track that you could potentially go from intern to graduate trainee to junior professional permanent staff member that's one of the tracks that we potentially have now why we're all here today is the ESA graduate trainee program so just as a very very quick recap before we go into your questions and we answer them it's a one-year program but I have to say the vast majority of our EGTs do extend for the maximum of a second year so you could be at ESA for two years The conditions that we have is you're from one of our participating states. So all of the flags you see at the bottom, in addition to Bulgaria, Malta, Croatia and Cyprus. And the second criterion is that you must be a student in the final year of your master's or have recently graduated. So when this is quite a common question that we get asked in these things, we're not looking really. It's not about age. And this is partly why we've changed. from young graduate training to ESA graduate trainee it's about experience and so this is really an entry-level program it's not one of those positions where it's entry-level must have 10 years of experience it's complete opposite of that if you have too much experience we have other great programs for you such as the junior professional program or a regular staff position but this is for those of you who have you know less than a year of about less than a year of real post-master's degree experience relevant in your area. So even if you've been, let's say, after your master's, you've gone travelling for a year. don't worry you're not ineligible if you apply after that because you haven't been working in that period we want to offer you a first real working experience and that's why we have this kind of limit in terms of the experience so it's open now in February from February the 1st until the end of the month the very last day you have to apply on jobs.esa.int to be considered and I have a few tips on what to do and what not to do my very first tip most important i think is take your time you have the whole month and whilst i wouldn't advise you to wait until the very last moment for your application because you never know what what could go wrong with the the it systems or you know you might make a mistake at the last minute spend the first few weeks just looking at all the vacancies we have 112 online at the moment and the the likelihood is you're going to be eligible to apply for more than three of them but you have to choose a maximum of three positions to apply to so spend the next few weeks trying to filter down exactly what you're interested in and what you think that your skills are best matches all of the your questions about is my background right for this one from an educational perspective every vacancy will list the educational requirements many of them will be a generic scientific or technical discipline so you can consider that one and i encourage you therefore to not just look at the job title but look into every single vacancy just control click open all of the different tabs um for all 112 positions you'll never know that your expectation from the looking at the title might be different than your experience of reading the vacancy and thinking wow that's actually a position that i i could go for So spend a week, couple of weeks just to really narrow down, make your application as strong as you can and try and personalize it for the for the position and for ESA. It's it's very easy to just I know that everyone's looking for jobs elsewhere at the end of your studies or if you've recently graduated. But we are different here at ESA compared to other other places. So really try and tailor your application, whether it's your cover letter or your CV. that would be my other tip is to try and really match it to the job that you're applying to and then a bit linked to that a tip on what not to do I'm not sure if you're able to see from the slide but I can explain what you're looking at here so what not to do we had an example from a recent entry-level applicant which was about the question was saying do you wish to highlight any aspect of your CV and then also what are the goals and expectations for your for your internship and their answer was certainly if you're applying for a job at ESA and they're asking about your goals and expectations you can respond with something like this and then they put their their prompt from chat GPT in there so I'm just going to say that if you are going to use generative AI at least remember to remove the prompt that gives it away the paragraph at the beginning but I'd strongly encourage you not to just first Generally, we can tell when we're looking at this. And then secondly, we want you to be able to do the research yourself so that you can feel passionate about this role. This is not a generic kind of position. I can tell you in my past, I used to work in finance in banking. And sometimes I have to say there was a bit of control F, find, replace. I have always dreamed of working at insert generic bank name. I know that it can help. when you're applying to lots of different places but as i mentioned is there is different and so just spending really half an hour one hour to try and personalize it it makes a huge difference and that would be my top advice but if you are really going to use agi to try and help you with with some of this then at least remember to take out that first first sentence so my slide now is just going to be to say yes jobs.esa.int is where you'll find all of the positions and it's where you can apply um but i'm going to stop talking now and i'm going to very quickly introduce philip who i think has managed to get his uh his um technical problem solved so philip please just very quick hello from your introduction about what you're doing yes good morning everybody i'm happy to finally join here and uh yeah my name's philip klefka i'm from germany and i started my YGT or now EGT in 2023 October as a systems engineer in mass robotics for the mass sample return and it's been a super fascinating experience and happy to share. today. Cool thanks for that Philip. So what I propose that we do very quickly before I ask both of you to give a bit of a background of more specifically what you're doing as graduate trainees at ESA. I see some of the questions that have been prepared with there's been lots of upvotes and likes for some of them so I just want to answer a few of them. So one that I will highlight in the Q&A tab at the moment is the top the top requested one, and it's what are the main skills or experiences that ESA looks for in candidates, especially for those interested in working in space research or technology development. So my first bit of advice here is that you will see from the 112 vacancies that we have for the EGT program, it's very diverse. So it's sometimes hard to say we're looking for a particular technical skill. because it's going to vary based on the position that you're applying to. For sure the vast majority of our positions are for those with an engineering background but for example we're increasingly seeing there's more demand for people with a computer science background or data science background or even a generic artificial intelligence background and there's a lot of cross applicability and transferability of those kind of skills amongst all of the roles that we have at ESA so just on the technical side it will be explained in each of the vacancies what is expected of you including when it's working specifically in space research or technology development but one of the things I do wish to highlight which is important for us is we have behavioral competencies that we look for as well so when you're doing your final round interview for the EGT program you will be assessed on behavioral competencies which are listed also in every vacancy notice. So these are the kind of generic behavioral competencies about are you going to be a nice fit to work at at the agency. And so I encourage you if you are selected for a an interview, a final round interview, this will come up and so try and try and prepare some scenarios where you might get some hypothetical questions you might also get asked about your experiences that are linked to each of these competencies that's a bit of a tip is just to to make sure that you do some preparation for each of the the six behavioral competencies um and then the second question that i i see in the chat is about how competitive is the application process so it's great that you're already here because i think those who've joined today i think there's 733 of you uh watching at the moment. The fact that you're already motivated to listen to us speak for an hour and actually I'm happy to stay a bit longer given the technical difficulties at the beginning. It shows that you're probably more serious about your application and it will increase your chances I think of applying. I encourage you to mention in your application that you, whether it's your cover letter or your CV, try and mention that you came to listen to Nicole, Philip and I. talk about the programme because it shows motivation from our side. But it is true that we have thousands and thousands of applications but we do have over 100 positions as well. And what I would say is anticipating a question you may have, try not to apply to a position based on if you think there are more or fewer candidates applying to the position because it really does change every year and it's hard to say that there's a pattern for certain positions. your best chance of increasing your competitiveness is to just apply to the the positions that most interest you and that you think are a best fit for your um for your profile so with that i think it's probably good now i'll quickly hand over to uh nicole i think for just a very quick overview of what you've done at easter um so far nicole okay should i go with my slide as well let's go yes yes please so uh yes and thank you very much for the introduction because it was super interesting for me as well you really never stop to learn um yeah i'm pretty happy to to introduce myself starting from my background and how i i joined isa my background i think is a bit peculiar because uh i'm not an engineer i'm not a space engineer i am a physicist So, I'm a bachelor of physics. in astrophysics and the master in nuclear and sub-nuclear physics. Someone is called particle physics, someone sometimes is called high energy physics, but in any case, like, I used to smash particles together to discover new things about our universe. And during my master, I also had courses in deep learning and machine learning. So again, a link with what Andrew said, there is a lot. a lot of opportunities for computer science, artificial intelligence and all these new techniques. And so during my career, I really wanted to discover also this side of science. I had first a more like a shorter experience in physics, in for machine learning in the field of wind energy in Denmark after my graduation. And during this experience, like, is also when my application process happened. So I really remember being in the position of looking at these 100, around 100 positions. And every time it was a lot of enthusiasm for me to just click on the name of the position and see if my background would fit with the requirement. So I found a position in physics for machine learning. It was a kind of a perfect fit. I was so happy, I remember. And I applied. I applied to two positions which were involving machine learning. But in particular, I remember this position was, okay, this is just perfect. I was so happy. And, well, that's how my career started, with this position in physics for machine learning in a step. So I joined ESTEC and the Advanced Concept Team of ISA, which is part of the tech directorate. And there I was working on research and disruptive concepts to develop in the next 40 or 50 years. So I think it's a very peculiar environment within ISA to get started. And there I had the opportunity to work on really many different projects. I remember that all my colleagues were working on very diverse subjects ranging from material science to computer science to biology and I could give my contribution in many of these projects. So for example I worked in inverse design for material science, in physics for machine learning and I also started started to build knowledge in quantum computing and this helped a lot for my second year so in my second year I have the opportunity I had the opportunity to change a section so getting experience in in another section in another directory and also in another site so during my second year I moved from Leiden or Norveg the Netherlands to Cologne and the IAC And as I mentioned at the beginning, now I work for the new section, which is developing software and artificial intelligence techniques to support the space missions. And I think it's a really singular environment because on one side I can work on a very technical topic. for example, quantum computing and artificial intelligence, specifically I work on reinforcement learning and quantum annealing. But on the other side, I get the chance to understand how mission works, how the operators interact with astronauts. And I think it's really interesting to try to connect these super technical subjects and how operations are like. how operations happen and try to integrate new techniques into the life of these special people. Well thanks for that Nicole, that's like super interesting. What I really like about your your experience as an EGT is that you got to experience ESTEC and then got to do another establishment in the second year. It's not the most common for sure but it is possible so and you're living proof of that and I think you've got... the experience of two really cool ones and i just wanted to ask you like as an italian moving to a different country two times how did you find that experience oh well yes actually I think for me it was kind of easy with respect to many people because during the last five years I moved five times so I already lived in Switzerland and Denmark, in Italy, Switzerland and Denmark before going to the Netherlands and then going to Germany and I think that every year so enriching. What I really like is try to dip into the culture of every new place and understanding how I can complement my persona. And yes, in addition, I think this is even more beautiful when you live within ISA because you are constantly surrounded from people, as you said at the beginning. from many different nationalities and there are constant activities, constant reasons to meet up with the others. Sometimes they are working reasons, sometimes they are more they can be more like scientific reasons or space connected reasons, sometimes it's just sharing good time together and I think it's really like an infinite learning then as a final point as an italian i really miss the food and the coffee of my country but i think that the rest really came back we we you're probably missing at aztec still we we did have dedicated pizza ovens and everything at east at aztec so uh in the canteen yeah that's very nice but i guess and and uh and yeah the i guess the cafeteria at dlr um sorry at uh eac you're sharing with the other colleagues from dlr the german space agency and uh the other companies on the campus right quite nice every everyone has the the pros and cons i'd say um philip before we jump into a presentation from you i just want to answer a few um a few of the q a uh questions that were reported i've been answering some in the chat nicole phillip i encourage you also feel free to jump in the chat if you see any any questions um that you would wish to to answer um in terms of uh the question about do you recommend submitting recommendation letters in addition to cover letter so i did i did reply in the chat to somebody who asked this question um what i always say for this one is there's no harm if you're going to get a professor for example or a previous internship manager or something to write a recommendation letter feel free to do it because it might make your application stronger I can't say for certain that it's something that every manager gives equal weighting to, but to me it's no harm done if you do submit it. And if you think it's something that would really highlight the great work you've done, be it at university or in a previous internship or something like this, feel free to add it. And there's no recommended format for that, but it is something that you can attach in the additional documents of your application. And then I think for the next one, I'm going to put you on the spot a bit, Philip, here. It's about what can a candidate expect the day-to-day life of an EGT to be at ESA? What's your experience? Yeah, today at ESSEC, I must say, where I'm based, you're surrounded by so many interesting people. So ESSEC is the largest site, also has a large number of young professionals. And as such, of course, we also have a lot of work to do. But my typical experience, I would say, is sometimes you meet with friends for breakfast before you jump into work. So there's a large part that is a social life, I would say. And also as an EGT, you have a lot of opportunity. So don't just think of it as your one work or project that you're involved in. I suggest when you're here go around talk to people that are maybe not part of your department maybe not part of your directorate and just find out what you can do what you're interested in because it's also a part of orientation for your career and help them join any activities and that will round up your experience here and then of course at ESTEC there's also a lot of social clubs called and there you can follow your hobbies and make even more friends like you're always busy there there's little time left here Exactly. Now, and before I, I'm going to hand over to you in a second to talk about Young ESA, which I think a lot of people here would be interested in, and your involvement there as the coordinator. But before I do that, there is one question that I wanted to ask, wanted to answer that was in the Q&A, and it's very relevant for those of you who don't have any space on your CV at the moment. It's about, they said, I have no space related experiences, what can I do to make. me stand out in the recruitment process so my advice here would be find a way to get space on your cv now that doesn't mean that it has to be a work experience because frankly it's an entry level program and we know that that might not be the case but you have clubs and societies at your university maybe there's a cubesat society at your university or an astronomy uh it could be an amateurism thing that you just like doing um i can give you an example for myself i mentioned uh and kind of the interest part of my cv that one of my favorite books is pale blue dot by carl sagan and i remember when i went through the the interview process this tiny innocuous throwaway comment ended up being about 10 15 minutes discussion came from that um and about For me it seems so Andrews. Yeah, can everyone hear me? Yes, now you're live. Cool. And one of the things I also wanted to say for those of you who don't have space experience yet, ESA does have an opportunity for you to get that on your CV before you apply. And it's through the ESA Academy. So I think my colleague Mimi will be able to put in the chat the link. to the ISER Academy but these are fully sponsored training courses ranging from sometimes a weekend sometimes a week a summer there's various different programs open throughout the year and as long as you're from one of the eligible countries for the EGT program you are eligible for applying to the ISER Academy as well and they might I think often you will be in Belgium in our education center And in fact, we actually have some EGT positions open to try and coordinate those activities. So if you are interested in the didactic and educational side of space, those are the positions for you. But you will get the chance to. It could be on space law. It could be on CubeSats. It could be on space policy. There's so many different kinds of, let's say, technical and business and legal side of things, that training opportunities at the academy. make sure to check that out because I think that it's a nice way to boost your CV as well. But with that, I'm going to hand over now to Philip, and you can take control of the slides and talk a bit more about what you're doing and a bit about Young ESA. Yeah, thanks, Andrew. There's also the question from Aaron. I see what's made all stand out as applicants. Let me give you an example of somebody who has been laser-focused on the topic of robotic exploration in space. and how I found into ESA. So as you can see here, I'm from Germany. I studied in Dresden in the East at the Technical University. But maybe in a bit of an unusual way, I did my master thesis in Stuttgart because they were working on the sample fetch rover, which was at the time part of the sample return as a contribution from ESA. So that was my way of like building up my experience because I knew from maybe four years before I joined that I wanted to be in ESA and so I've been building up my experience my repertoire and I think that's really what made me help stand out because I knew what I wanted I knew why I wanted it and as such I could build a strong application and being here now I see that the skills I have and this inspiration really helps me accelerate development in a way that's maybe otherwise not possible. And also to walk you a bit through my path here, I said I'm German but actually I identify more as European which is also a nice bonus. Here at the European Space Agency I really love the multicultural environment and just creating. together. That's what we should do. On the other side, I was heavily inspired by sci-fi, I am sure as most of you. And a real turning point was when Curiosity landed on Mars, so NASA mission, and showed me what's possible with robotics and that we should redouble down. And for me, that's an avenue that Europe can follow to really stand out in the global stage. And that's why I wanted to see how it can do that with ESA. And then I was specializing in robotics and space and control theory in a degree called mechatronics. So that set me up for systems engineering, what I'm doing now. And at the same time as Andrew was mentioning, please go to those clubs of your universities. Just watch out if there's anything you can do. I was in a rover building community and taking part in a European Rover Challenge. And that was amazing. Like what we've learned. there in a couple weeks of building and not only that sponsorship like all the steps that you would also later find in a professional experience do that learn what you can and network there's also conferences sjc in europe um and many many more isaacademy um just inform yourself and uh then at the end you can see here i was taking a picture with the xml's rover we have a demonstration motor it's not the right one and the road ahead for me i see is that we have a presence on the moon and our mouse heavily supported by robotics so i've been applying for isa for multiple years i had a one year professional experience before i got the ygt position so yeah just endure like stay connected look for the applications set up your reminders and eventually you will get in. And as for what I'm doing now, so I'm a systems engineer for the sample transfer arm in human and robotic exploration. And here I look into model-based engineering, for example, to modernize how we approach engineering processes and how we make it more successful. And I'm also supporting on the management level for meetings, reviews, and... actions and also for public articles. You might have read some if you're interested in mouse from us. Am I back now? My connection was complicated. It's pretty broad and when I look at this, I would say my original position is maybe half of what I do. then there's also other activities as i recommended concurrent design facilities that they can get involved and to do studies on other missions on other projects in isa and get to know how the experts work on these what the discussions are interfaces so i'm very engineering heavy but um yeah just to say and uh what i also want to mention i happen to be the main coordinator of young isa and Young ISA is the young professionals at ISA and we have been having this community this network and the original idea was to have just some support for us arriving at ISA because you know we are moving from all over Europe to the ISA sites and we need to make new friends we need to find housing we need to get a foothold in ISA and young ISA is a place to get support and find friends and Just to give you a little overview because it's growing quite large now. We do have nine working groups and working groups are like focused teams working on specific projects. I will show you some in a moment. Then we are represented at all the ESA sites which means that no matter where you go you will find young ESA and you can get some support and we also have something called a newcomer's guide where you see information. about the specific location and just general information that helps you get started. And then the Young ESA projects, you might have heard of YP-SAT, the Young Professional Satellite, which is an amazing project done by young professionals. And they have launched the first YP-SAT in last year, July, on the N6, and it worked. It was fabulous. the hype around it uh it's amazing and now we have four pieces too it's uh working on the cdr And that's something you can look forward to when you come to ISA. And I also want to mention here that Young ISA is actually turning 20 years already. It started 2005 in Essex and this year we are celebrating big with our anniversary. And yeah, here are some working groups to give you an idea what we're working on. So we also care about equality and diversity inclusion, for example. we have fast setting Fridays where we get some experts from ESA and learn from them and talk to them. Then newcomers and social events is what you will see at the beginning, the welcoming events and where you find all your friends and entrepreneurs. Young professional event is a big one where we have one big conference per year where we invite every young professional to mingle and learn what's important to us and many, many more. I also want to give you just a bit of insight into WAP-SAT-2, if you haven't known already. So WAP-SAT-1 was a technical demonstration taking pictures of the fairing separation of the Ariane 6. And WAP-SAT-2 is science oriented. So we have two scientific payloads that are much more complex, but also much more interesting. And the aim is to go on SpaceRider, which is a long term. or with an exposing vehicle to see some effects of microgravity in these experiments. And the big slogan of YPSAT is always, we are one team, we have one mission, and we want to combine all of ESA together to achieve this amazing development. And as I said, no matter which site you will go to at ESA, we've got you. And yeah, don't forget Young ESA, just look for it and you will find us and hear some impressions of what we've done, going to French Guyana, all the communities at each site, the satellite pictures here with the ESA logo, and the Young Professional Conference you see in the bottom left. Yeah, I just love the community. I was happy to become the main coordinator. And if you have any questions at all. You can also text me on LinkedIn and I'm happy. Now I've talked for a while and let's see if there's some questions. Thanks for all the messages. It's really nice. Okay. And I also see some questions here on the day-to-day life in ESA. And I would really say it's up to you. As an EGT, there's lots of ways for you to experience your own work. When we applied, the job descriptions were quite broad. And for me at the beginning, it was really about, my supervisor was asking me, what do you want to do? And then I could bring in my own interests. And it takes a lot of autonomy. And also, as I said, knowing what you want. So I recommend, don't expect. too much of a frame um bring it yourself uh on on questions i got in the interview i can share some experience here. So my application process was multi-step. So I had a online recording interview where I was just answering questions in a given time frame. So it's like you have one or two minutes per question. And the questions were first on ESA in general. So be informed about ESA, the latest missions. also if possible when you have knowledge about where your position comes from about that specific directorate and the working groups and offices they have. For me, at the time, it was a bit difficult to find. But I was lucky that on LinkedIn, I could find some contacts and some previous YGTs. And then this way, I got a better feeling of, who am I actually talking to? Who am I applying to? And that helped a lot, just build my arguments and also know who will be my team because that's also an interesting question and after that online interview i had a face-to-face interview which are now all online as far as i'm aware and there i had my supervisor my line manager and somebody from hr and then it was much more technical then it would go into questions of my experience like what exactly can i provide to the project and um what do i want to do as well like because they were trying to figure out like um how can we integrate this person into our team and um yeah then i think a month or two later i got the confirmation There's also, I see from Alvaro the question, how many positions we can apply to. I think it is. three positions you can apply to now for the EGT positions. So maximum three. Don't do more and also choose these positions wisely. As Andrew said, don't apply for any chance, but the ones that really resonate with you and where you can show your motivation because it does make a difference. Yeah, and use the three applications. Even if there's one that is perfect for you, I would recommend apply for three positions because just having the experience at all at ESA is very valuable. for your development and um yeah you can shape it um a bit in your in your way yeah nicole do you see any questions you would like to answer i saw many questions about non-space related background so again as Andrew mentioned, for sure it's important to highlight in your CV any possible extracurricular activity you participated in or also just what passion you have about space. I think that's really important to highlight both in the CV and when you write your cover letter. We did it and it's really met the needs of a lot of people. That said, I think I saw several questions about people with a biomedical background and yes, there are opportunities. For example, in EAC, in Cologne, we have a medical team, which also I think for sure now there is one YGT. I don't know exactly how many are depositioned, but they are YGTs on a regular basis. Then I knew people working in communication, so there are EGT positions in the field of communication. Now there is really a lot in the field of computer science across different directories. So really, like, try to, as Andrew said, try to read. the position and try to understand how you can add value to these people. And it's true that what really made the difference in my situation I remember because I asked my supervisor once I got in, was that I, he said during the interview, we really saw that you were reading our article, like you read our article, you went on our webpage, you made your research, and you arrived to the interview prepared. You knew who we were, you knew how to answer to our question, even though, for example, in my case, since I applied to a research role, I think the space for answering was much more open. It's very difficult to narrow down to a specific field when you do research. There is a lot to know, but ESA has so many different web pages. They really produce a lot of material so that you can first write your cover letter and then your interview. I think these are general advices that I will give. And then if you didn't see anything that you really would like to answer to, I would like to say a few more words about EAC maybe. Yeah, go for it. That's a good idea. Because I think, yes, one of the reasons why I'm here is this transition that I did from ESTEC to EIC. So as Philip already spoke about ESTEC and I have a wonderful memory about ESTEC and the Netherlands, so it was really like a continuous, my calendar was constantly filled out. There were conferences going on and social events going on and the opportunity to participate in WP South. And I also was part of WP South 1, so I can also share my experience about that. Then EAC is much smaller than STEC. I don't know the specific dimension, but I think we are around here, the 100 people on the DLR side and both on the DLR side and on the STEC side. the ASA site on a daily basis working on site. We have, as I already said, we have the astronauts, so it's very typical that we have the astronaut reserve but also some other astronauts here and we can speak with them, sometimes we train with them in the gym. It's a fantastic experience, it's really unique. experience. Being smaller I think is also it's really favor focusing on on your job so it's impressive how much you learn also due to the smaller dimension of the site because you are like it's like everything you do is extremely useful so I'm really enjoying it. being part of EIC and something that I love is also the community because the community again is smaller but it's like being in a big family. There are constantly group of interns or professionals or there is a professional which are active so you can, I don't know. go to Cologne and having cafes together, dinner together, there is a bouldering group, there is always something to do, you never feel alone. And it's very nice when we have lunch all together in the kitchen because we have the DLR Cantina in the AC but it's really common that people prepare their own lunch and they eat all together in the kitchen and then they share what they do on a daily basis. I think this is also very interesting. There was also a question, do you want to become an astronaut in the future? Me? Well, sometimes I think about it. Because seeing the life of the astronauts and meeting them here is really inspiring. I think it must change as a person going to space. Personally, I don't see that like my career path because of the health, physical side of the job. So these people have to follow strict rules in terms of... training because they have to face microgravity, they have to face a lot of challenges and although I love sports, I feel that it's more an entertainment for me and I feel that I'm more useful here thinking to my code, thinking, creating my algorithm, I feel more useful. Actually, Isa uh changed my career perspective a lot so being in isa and i think what really changed my career perspective was also collaborating into web is at one um because i started my career also coming from physics i started my career as a researcher and i think being a researcher is quite different than being an engineer because you are driven by big question while when you are an engineer you are driven by putting things on work and make them safe so uh in within yp satwana i was part of the onboard attending group out of the onboard attending subsystem and uh i like i really discovered a new dimension of coding where you need the reliability you need you you really need to think in a different way. And I think you also really have to team up with the other people. You have to be expert in your role, but you also have to be able to communicate with all the other subsystems in order to understand and cope with each other's needs. And so being part of this project, I think it's really important to have a strong relationship with the other people. Well, it was just impressive because even though of course the support came from ESA, where only young professionals with the support of some experts working on the satellite. And it was really impressive for me to see the dream come true. And all that way, all these different ways to interact in my daily job and to work really like change my perspective from becoming a researcher in a university to having a more engineer or system engineer role and I don't know for example right now I really would like to to become the manager of a laboratory where I can having a part of my time working coding actually actively coding but also one of one a part of my time supporting younger people that are enthusiastic about space. For me, it's really about hardware software and how to optimize this specific part of larger systems. I would also say that in the one year I've been here now, I've been here for about a year and a half. moving forward my perspective on what's possible in our careers has changed a lot because you get a lot of inputs and you can talk to a lot of people with a lot of expertise and yeah for example i was trying to make a decision for my career if i wanted to be a technical expert or if i want to become a systems engineer and stay a bit broader and here i could decide i want to become the systems engineer And because I also like this collaborative way of working with different people, different fields. And I'm just too curious. I cannot stay off other topics. And I see this with like all the other young professionals. And it's amazing how they evolve. And I look forward to see where everybody will be in a couple of years. And yeah, and this network is amazing. point and i should encourage you both for the application process and to try to collaborate with everyone. For example, here in IEC we have this large group of interns and we have a small JECL robot. So we can autonomously decide to have weekly meetings and understanding how the skill of each intern can be used in the future. professional can be integrated together how can we learn from each other and how can we build up to so i have also some some results in the end which sometimes can be a bigger result like sometimes can be a smaller result like okay we learned something and we we made we added this little piece to a hitler repository or to whatever project we make this documentation and I think everything is useful. And overall in this era where the technology changes so fast, it's very important that also young people learn but also give what they know and how they experience all these innovations. All right, fantastic. I'm going to jump in here on behalf of Andrew, since he's dropped out and unfortunately due to the technical difficulties he won't be able to come back on. So thank you everybody for attending. I do apologize for the technical difficulties. I hope that was a good information session for you. It has been recorded and it will be posted in the future on the careers website. A big thank you to Nicole, thank you Philip. for your help and for talking about your EGT experience. It's all been super interesting. And if there's been any questions that have not been answered today, because it was a lot of questions, you guys asked a lot of questions, you can email isacareers at isa.int. I have a team of people who will be helping out with that. But check the website first, because we have answered a lot of the questions on our webpages, on our FAQs. So do check that out first. And if you really can't find an answer to your question, email us. But thank you again. Thank you, Nicole. Thank you, Phillip. And thank you, Andrew. I know you're in the chat somewhere. And I hope you guys good luck on your applications. And don't forget, we also have another webinar on YouTube that will take place next week on Wednesday. You can check the careers website for more information and for the link to that webinar. So, anyways, thank you guys. And I hope you have a great day. Good luck again. Thanks Mirjam, thanks everybody for coming and I wish you all the best. Thank you very much and good luck.

It's great. We're expecting quite a lot of people today. So I'll try to try not to read everyone's name.

But I think, yes, this is great. Everyone's coming through. And can I just check? Can everyone see me as well on the stream and hear me? Great.

Excellent. Yeah, it does seem like there's a few technical problems. So I'm great.

Thanks, Michael, for letting me know. So. As we were now two minutes past, I think there'll be more people joining. And hopefully even on our side, there'll be an extra person to support too.

Ah, it's saying my camera is frozen. I'm going to try and fix that right now. One second.

Let me see if I can switch. Any luck now? Can people?

No. Okay, I think that there's an issue with the camera. uh can you all hear me though at least for the moment while we're trying to figure out the okay so while i try and figure out the the camera issue i just want to welcome you all to the the stream today um we're going to be talking about the issa graduate trainee program which is indeed the you might have known from previous as the the young graduate trainee program it's basically exactly the same but we um we have ah hopefully you can see me i think it's working um super cool hi everyone um yes so the easter graduate trainee program it's same as the young graduate trainee program but we've had a rebrand of the program so it's still as you for those who have applied in the past or tuned in to these kind of streams in the past um it's uh we're here to to talk about the various programs we have nicole here And hopefully Philip will be joining shortly too. Just trying to get in with some of the technical problems.

But before we jump into a very quick presentation on the slides, hopefully I can ask Nicole just for a very quick introduction of what she's doing at ESA. Yes, can you hear me? Hi Nicole, maybe, yeah.

Okay, perfect. Hi everyone, I'm Nicola Rossi. Well, I hope you see me and hear me well. I'm a ISA graduate trainee, former young graduate trainee, and I am currently working in the section for Software and Artificial Intelligence in the Directorate of Human and Robotic Exploration. I am Italian and I am currently living in Germany in EAC, which is the European Astronaut Centre.

based in Cologne. So here is where basically the astronauts get their training. So we have a lot of equipment, a lot of mock-up of the ISS and the Coulombus model.

It is really a very interesting place. And my job, my daily day-to-day job focus on artificial intelligence and computer. So my section is really involved in understanding how this new technology can fit the space panorama and enrich also the European exploration strategy and future missions. Great, thanks for that Nicole.

I'll quickly introduce myself as well. My name is Andrew Kane, I'm the entry level program coordinator at ESA. So I'm responsible amongst other programs for the EGT program.

I myself was well formerly a young graduate trainee but now it's called ESA graduate trainee. I did two years working in headquarters in Paris working on the policy side and then after that I've moved to my position as the entry level program coordinator here at ESTEC in the Netherlands where I'm working in HR. so i'm gonna try and jump into a presentation um i will try and refresh this one second Okay, so we are having some technical issues. While Andrew tries to solve them, I think I will start to go through some Q&A. So let's see.

I will read the question and then I will highlight it and I will answer. Hopefully we're doing better now. Okay, so maybe it's not needed. Perfect.

Yeah, hopefully it's good now. So apologies for the technical issues, everyone. I'm going to try and jump now into a quick slide overview of the program before we jump into your questions and answers.

I know some of you've already put questions in advance to us in the Q&A tab but also feel free to put them in the chat as well and we'll try our best to answer them. So first hopefully this one will work. Let's see, I'm trying to share the slides.

Okay let me just go at the beginning. So, yeah, thumbs up, please, or claps if you can see me sharing the slides. Okay, that looks positive.

Okay, so let me get the beginning. Okay, so I wanted to give a very quick overview for those of you who are not too familiar with ESA. but also a refresher for those of you who know a little bit or even quite a lot about what we do at the European Space Agency. So one of the newest updates I can say we have as of the 1st of January this year, we have 23 member states. We have a new member state Slovenia since the 1st of January taking us up to 23. All the flags you see at the bottom are our member states and we also have three associate members in Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia and even Canada as a cooperating state.

For those of you who are joining also from Bulgaria, Cyprus, Croatia and Malta, you're also eligible for the EGT program because these countries are cooperating states of ESA. But one of the things you may be able to see from the flags below, but also perhaps from my accent, I'm from the UK, you'll see the UK flag there, the Swiss flag. and the Norwegian flag. So just to confirm for those of you who are not actually part of the European Union or we do work very closely with the EU and with the European Commission, particularly on our navigation and earth observation programmes, but we are a separate entity.

We were founded in 1975 and we have about, well, almost 3,000 staff members now, but almost double that in terms of the workforce of colleagues from contracting companies, but also with our interns and various sort of visiting researchers that are working at the European Space Agency. What is the raison d'etre? Why does ESA exist? What's quite unique for us is that we are the only space agency in the world that's comprised of all these different member states that are using space exclusively for peaceful purposes.

So it's for exploration of seeing what's out there beyond our planet here, but it's also about trying to use space to make life better for every citizen in Europe and beyond here on Earth. that's how i would sum it up in terms of where we're located our headquarters are based in paris but we have sites all across europe and even um the european spaceport which is down in french guiana it's just in south america um i'll show it in a second just so you can visualize where all the different sites are but i can confirm we have opportunities um i think this time on three different continents for the the egt program so um yeah we were bigger than just continental europe in terms of our footprint. And how much does it cost per year?

It's about our budget is 7.8 billion euros per year and that equates to about 15 euros per European per year depending on the countries that you're checking in from. Sometimes that's the price of a cinema ticket or a small popcorn depending on where you're coming in from but relatively speaking it's a really good value for money I'd say. And then in terms of the next slide. So all of all of what we're doing is possible thanks to the collaboration of all of those states represented by the flags that you see below.

What I would highlight is ESA is active across every area of the space sector. And you will see that when it comes to our EGT opportunities. They're really across every directorate, like I mentioned, across three different continents.

We have positions available. and what's unique is it really is in every kind of topic you can imagine to do with space we're very broad at easter in terms of our um our expertise although i would particularly highlight we are world leaders um in our earth observation and navigation um directorates uh particularly with our copernicus and galileo programs um uh respectively But in essence, when you come to ESA, you really do feel that we are world leader in science and technology. And it's with that leadership that we've an expertise that we've developed over 80 satellites.

In particular, I want to highlight one, which I hope Nicole will be able to talk about and Philip, if he's able to join. YPSAT is one of the satellites which was developed by our young professionals, early career professionals at ESA. And these satellites have been launched. over 200 times from the European space spot in Kourou. So you should be able to see now.

Here we go. So in the bottom of the map on that side, you'll see the European space spot, which is nestled just above Brazil in French Guiana at the equator. This is where we work with the French Space Agency to launch the payloads that we develop in Europe, but also for our partners.

but in terms of the other sites where you could be working as a ESA graduate trainee I'd say the vast majority of our positions are going to be in ESTEC where I am today it's the technical heart of the agency it's where our technology directorate is as well a lot of our engineering positions this is where Nicole started out her EGT position before she then moved down to the EAC which is my favorite of ESA establishments because it's where our astronauts are it's the european astronaut center so it's where we train our astronauts for missions but also uh our partner astronauts whether it's from from nasa or jaxa um the australian space agency the these astronauts will come to the easter for for their training also in germany we have the operations center which is in darmstadt just outside of frankfurt in germany this is where we try and track and control all the european spacecraft and make sure it stays up in space doing what it's intended to do. Really cool too. I'd also highlight Esrin, which is just outside of Rome in a place called Frascati.

This is really our Earth observation and IT center of excellence. One of my favorite establishments, if only for the canteen, really nice food and pizza. It's stereotypical, but it's very true.

So if you are lucky enough to be selected for a position in Esrin. you make sure to take advantage of that and also the coffee is by far the best we have um in my opinion at all the different sites um i also think the site in isaac what we call isaac which is just outside of madrid's a really cool one as well this is really our astronomy center where a lot of our cool science operations are happening vis-a-vis astronomy and planetary missions. Relatively small, but it has a really nice, interesting culture and flavor there.

And I think one of the things I always like when I go there is that you even see the ruins of a small castle on site, which is really cool. And Exat, where I'm from in the UK, this is just outside of Oxford. This is really... where a lot of our hub on commercialization and telecommunications activity is. It's a really nice, small, but growing establishment.

We have one of our smaller ones, which is Ezec, just in Belgium, close to the Luxembourg border. This is where our education hub is. And there's positions in the EGT campaign this year that are based there, but also some cybersecurity competences as well. And then very finally, our headquarters in Paris. This is really the political.

business heart of the agency I would say but we have several opportunities that are based there across different areas so just as a very quick overview we're going to be talking about the ESA graduate trainee program today but I will very briefly touch upon some of the other ones that are in my remit for those of you who are still students you can apply for the ESA internship program this is open every November and it's a really nice way to make your EGT application look stronger even if it's not not necessary to be selected. Our latest program which will hopefully be announced very soon officially is called the National Graduate Trainee Program. It's essentially exactly the same as the ESA Graduate Trainee Program but it's open to nationals and citizens of specific countries that are participating in this scheme in addition.

In the past we've had Poland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Lithuania and Estonia. I'd like to think that these countries will be participating soon but keep your eyes open for that because it's another opportunity to have a one to two year graduate experience at ESA. For those of you who are doing or thinking of doing a PhD we have the research fellowship program which functions a bit like a postdoc and that's for two to three years working at ESA and then a little bit linked to that if you're looking for co-funding for your PhD. you can look at ESA co-funded research. I put it in red because it's not under my remit as an entry level program but it is really linked to the research activities we're doing at ESA and it's a nice pipeline for the research fellowship program.

And then very finally the junior professional program, so this is essentially what might come at the end of your EGT experience at ESA. We're looking for people with two to three years of experience at the end of their master's degree. to come and join a four-year development program which results in a permanent staff position at ESA. And now this has been approved.

We had a trial which started in 2021 and we're going to be doing this on an annual basis now. Every April there'll be 15 positions open across all different subject areas and we see the EGT as a nice foundational experience to apply for that program. Again, not necessary but it's...

you see the track that you could potentially go from intern to graduate trainee to junior professional permanent staff member that's one of the tracks that we potentially have now why we're all here today is the ESA graduate trainee program so just as a very very quick recap before we go into your questions and we answer them it's a one-year program but I have to say the vast majority of our EGTs do extend for the maximum of a second year so you could be at ESA for two years The conditions that we have is you're from one of our participating states. So all of the flags you see at the bottom, in addition to Bulgaria, Malta, Croatia and Cyprus. And the second criterion is that you must be a student in the final year of your master's or have recently graduated.

So when this is quite a common question that we get asked in these things, we're not looking really. It's not about age. And this is partly why we've changed.

from young graduate training to ESA graduate trainee it's about experience and so this is really an entry-level program it's not one of those positions where it's entry-level must have 10 years of experience it's complete opposite of that if you have too much experience we have other great programs for you such as the junior professional program or a regular staff position but this is for those of you who have you know less than a year of about less than a year of real post-master's degree experience relevant in your area. So even if you've been, let's say, after your master's, you've gone travelling for a year. don't worry you're not ineligible if you apply after that because you haven't been working in that period we want to offer you a first real working experience and that's why we have this kind of limit in terms of the experience so it's open now in February from February the 1st until the end of the month the very last day you have to apply on jobs.esa.int to be considered and I have a few tips on what to do and what not to do my very first tip most important i think is take your time you have the whole month and whilst i wouldn't advise you to wait until the very last moment for your application because you never know what what could go wrong with the the it systems or you know you might make a mistake at the last minute spend the first few weeks just looking at all the vacancies we have 112 online at the moment and the the likelihood is you're going to be eligible to apply for more than three of them but you have to choose a maximum of three positions to apply to so spend the next few weeks trying to filter down exactly what you're interested in and what you think that your skills are best matches all of the your questions about is my background right for this one from an educational perspective every vacancy will list the educational requirements many of them will be a generic scientific or technical discipline so you can consider that one and i encourage you therefore to not just look at the job title but look into every single vacancy just control click open all of the different tabs um for all 112 positions you'll never know that your expectation from the looking at the title might be different than your experience of reading the vacancy and thinking wow that's actually a position that i i could go for So spend a week, couple of weeks just to really narrow down, make your application as strong as you can and try and personalize it for the for the position and for ESA.

It's it's very easy to just I know that everyone's looking for jobs elsewhere at the end of your studies or if you've recently graduated. But we are different here at ESA compared to other other places. So really try and tailor your application, whether it's your cover letter or your CV. that would be my other tip is to try and really match it to the job that you're applying to and then a bit linked to that a tip on what not to do I'm not sure if you're able to see from the slide but I can explain what you're looking at here so what not to do we had an example from a recent entry-level applicant which was about the question was saying do you wish to highlight any aspect of your CV and then also what are the goals and expectations for your for your internship and their answer was certainly if you're applying for a job at ESA and they're asking about your goals and expectations you can respond with something like this and then they put their their prompt from chat GPT in there so I'm just going to say that if you are going to use generative AI at least remember to remove the prompt that gives it away the paragraph at the beginning but I'd strongly encourage you not to just first Generally, we can tell when we're looking at this. And then secondly, we want you to be able to do the research yourself so that you can feel passionate about this role.

This is not a generic kind of position. I can tell you in my past, I used to work in finance in banking. And sometimes I have to say there was a bit of control F, find, replace.

I have always dreamed of working at insert generic bank name. I know that it can help. when you're applying to lots of different places but as i mentioned is there is different and so just spending really half an hour one hour to try and personalize it it makes a huge difference and that would be my top advice but if you are really going to use agi to try and help you with with some of this then at least remember to take out that first first sentence so my slide now is just going to be to say yes jobs.esa.int is where you'll find all of the positions and it's where you can apply um but i'm going to stop talking now and i'm going to very quickly introduce philip who i think has managed to get his uh his um technical problem solved so philip please just very quick hello from your introduction about what you're doing yes good morning everybody i'm happy to finally join here and uh yeah my name's philip klefka i'm from germany and i started my YGT or now EGT in 2023 October as a systems engineer in mass robotics for the mass sample return and it's been a super fascinating experience and happy to share.

today. Cool thanks for that Philip. So what I propose that we do very quickly before I ask both of you to give a bit of a background of more specifically what you're doing as graduate trainees at ESA.

I see some of the questions that have been prepared with there's been lots of upvotes and likes for some of them so I just want to answer a few of them. So one that I will highlight in the Q&A tab at the moment is the top the top requested one, and it's what are the main skills or experiences that ESA looks for in candidates, especially for those interested in working in space research or technology development. So my first bit of advice here is that you will see from the 112 vacancies that we have for the EGT program, it's very diverse.

So it's sometimes hard to say we're looking for a particular technical skill. because it's going to vary based on the position that you're applying to. For sure the vast majority of our positions are for those with an engineering background but for example we're increasingly seeing there's more demand for people with a computer science background or data science background or even a generic artificial intelligence background and there's a lot of cross applicability and transferability of those kind of skills amongst all of the roles that we have at ESA so just on the technical side it will be explained in each of the vacancies what is expected of you including when it's working specifically in space research or technology development but one of the things I do wish to highlight which is important for us is we have behavioral competencies that we look for as well so when you're doing your final round interview for the EGT program you will be assessed on behavioral competencies which are listed also in every vacancy notice.

So these are the kind of generic behavioral competencies about are you going to be a nice fit to work at at the agency. And so I encourage you if you are selected for a an interview, a final round interview, this will come up and so try and try and prepare some scenarios where you might get some hypothetical questions you might also get asked about your experiences that are linked to each of these competencies that's a bit of a tip is just to to make sure that you do some preparation for each of the the six behavioral competencies um and then the second question that i i see in the chat is about how competitive is the application process so it's great that you're already here because i think those who've joined today i think there's 733 of you uh watching at the moment. The fact that you're already motivated to listen to us speak for an hour and actually I'm happy to stay a bit longer given the technical difficulties at the beginning. It shows that you're probably more serious about your application and it will increase your chances I think of applying. I encourage you to mention in your application that you, whether it's your cover letter or your CV, try and mention that you came to listen to Nicole, Philip and I.

talk about the programme because it shows motivation from our side. But it is true that we have thousands and thousands of applications but we do have over 100 positions as well. And what I would say is anticipating a question you may have, try not to apply to a position based on if you think there are more or fewer candidates applying to the position because it really does change every year and it's hard to say that there's a pattern for certain positions.

your best chance of increasing your competitiveness is to just apply to the the positions that most interest you and that you think are a best fit for your um for your profile so with that i think it's probably good now i'll quickly hand over to uh nicole i think for just a very quick overview of what you've done at easter um so far nicole okay should i go with my slide as well let's go yes yes please so uh yes and thank you very much for the introduction because it was super interesting for me as well you really never stop to learn um yeah i'm pretty happy to to introduce myself starting from my background and how i i joined isa my background i think is a bit peculiar because uh i'm not an engineer i'm not a space engineer i am a physicist So, I'm a bachelor of physics. in astrophysics and the master in nuclear and sub-nuclear physics. Someone is called particle physics, someone sometimes is called high energy physics, but in any case, like, I used to smash particles together to discover new things about our universe.

And during my master, I also had courses in deep learning and machine learning. So again, a link with what Andrew said, there is a lot. a lot of opportunities for computer science, artificial intelligence and all these new techniques. And so during my career, I really wanted to discover also this side of science.

I had first a more like a shorter experience in physics, in for machine learning in the field of wind energy in Denmark after my graduation. And during this experience, like, is also when my application process happened. So I really remember being in the position of looking at these 100, around 100 positions. And every time it was a lot of enthusiasm for me to just click on the name of the position and see if my background would fit with the requirement. So I found a position in physics for machine learning.

It was a kind of a perfect fit. I was so happy, I remember. And I applied.

I applied to two positions which were involving machine learning. But in particular, I remember this position was, okay, this is just perfect. I was so happy.

And, well, that's how my career started, with this position in physics for machine learning in a step. So I joined ESTEC and the Advanced Concept Team of ISA, which is part of the tech directorate. And there I was working on research and disruptive concepts to develop in the next 40 or 50 years.

So I think it's a very peculiar environment within ISA to get started. And there I had the opportunity to work on really many different projects. I remember that all my colleagues were working on very diverse subjects ranging from material science to computer science to biology and I could give my contribution in many of these projects. So for example I worked in inverse design for material science, in physics for machine learning and I also started started to build knowledge in quantum computing and this helped a lot for my second year so in my second year I have the opportunity I had the opportunity to change a section so getting experience in in another section in another directory and also in another site so during my second year I moved from Leiden or Norveg the Netherlands to Cologne and the IAC And as I mentioned at the beginning, now I work for the new section, which is developing software and artificial intelligence techniques to support the space missions.

And I think it's a really singular environment because on one side I can work on a very technical topic. for example, quantum computing and artificial intelligence, specifically I work on reinforcement learning and quantum annealing. But on the other side, I get the chance to understand how mission works, how the operators interact with astronauts. And I think it's really interesting to try to connect these super technical subjects and how operations are like. how operations happen and try to integrate new techniques into the life of these special people.

Well thanks for that Nicole, that's like super interesting. What I really like about your your experience as an EGT is that you got to experience ESTEC and then got to do another establishment in the second year. It's not the most common for sure but it is possible so and you're living proof of that and I think you've got...

the experience of two really cool ones and i just wanted to ask you like as an italian moving to a different country two times how did you find that experience oh well yes actually I think for me it was kind of easy with respect to many people because during the last five years I moved five times so I already lived in Switzerland and Denmark, in Italy, Switzerland and Denmark before going to the Netherlands and then going to Germany and I think that every year so enriching. What I really like is try to dip into the culture of every new place and understanding how I can complement my persona. And yes, in addition, I think this is even more beautiful when you live within ISA because you are constantly surrounded from people, as you said at the beginning. from many different nationalities and there are constant activities, constant reasons to meet up with the others.

Sometimes they are working reasons, sometimes they are more they can be more like scientific reasons or space connected reasons, sometimes it's just sharing good time together and I think it's really like an infinite learning then as a final point as an italian i really miss the food and the coffee of my country but i think that the rest really came back we we you're probably missing at aztec still we we did have dedicated pizza ovens and everything at east at aztec so uh in the canteen yeah that's very nice but i guess and and uh and yeah the i guess the cafeteria at dlr um sorry at uh eac you're sharing with the other colleagues from dlr the german space agency and uh the other companies on the campus right quite nice every everyone has the the pros and cons i'd say um philip before we jump into a presentation from you i just want to answer a few um a few of the q a uh questions that were reported i've been answering some in the chat nicole phillip i encourage you also feel free to jump in the chat if you see any any questions um that you would wish to to answer um in terms of uh the question about do you recommend submitting recommendation letters in addition to cover letter so i did i did reply in the chat to somebody who asked this question um what i always say for this one is there's no harm if you're going to get a professor for example or a previous internship manager or something to write a recommendation letter feel free to do it because it might make your application stronger I can't say for certain that it's something that every manager gives equal weighting to, but to me it's no harm done if you do submit it. And if you think it's something that would really highlight the great work you've done, be it at university or in a previous internship or something like this, feel free to add it. And there's no recommended format for that, but it is something that you can attach in the additional documents of your application. And then I think for the next one, I'm going to put you on the spot a bit, Philip, here. It's about what can a candidate expect the day-to-day life of an EGT to be at ESA?

What's your experience? Yeah, today at ESSEC, I must say, where I'm based, you're surrounded by so many interesting people. So ESSEC is the largest site, also has a large number of young professionals. And as such, of course, we also have a lot of work to do. But my typical experience, I would say, is sometimes you meet with friends for breakfast before you jump into work.

So there's a large part that is a social life, I would say. And also as an EGT, you have a lot of opportunity. So don't just think of it as your one work or project that you're involved in.

I suggest when you're here go around talk to people that are maybe not part of your department maybe not part of your directorate and just find out what you can do what you're interested in because it's also a part of orientation for your career and help them join any activities and that will round up your experience here and then of course at ESTEC there's also a lot of social clubs called and there you can follow your hobbies and make even more friends like you're always busy there there's little time left here Exactly. Now, and before I, I'm going to hand over to you in a second to talk about Young ESA, which I think a lot of people here would be interested in, and your involvement there as the coordinator. But before I do that, there is one question that I wanted to ask, wanted to answer that was in the Q&A, and it's very relevant for those of you who don't have any space on your CV at the moment. It's about, they said, I have no space related experiences, what can I do to make. me stand out in the recruitment process so my advice here would be find a way to get space on your cv now that doesn't mean that it has to be a work experience because frankly it's an entry level program and we know that that might not be the case but you have clubs and societies at your university maybe there's a cubesat society at your university or an astronomy uh it could be an amateurism thing that you just like doing um i can give you an example for myself i mentioned uh and kind of the interest part of my cv that one of my favorite books is pale blue dot by carl sagan and i remember when i went through the the interview process this tiny innocuous throwaway comment ended up being about 10 15 minutes discussion came from that um and about For me it seems so Andrews.

Yeah, can everyone hear me? Yes, now you're live. Cool. And one of the things I also wanted to say for those of you who don't have space experience yet, ESA does have an opportunity for you to get that on your CV before you apply. And it's through the ESA Academy.

So I think my colleague Mimi will be able to put in the chat the link. to the ISER Academy but these are fully sponsored training courses ranging from sometimes a weekend sometimes a week a summer there's various different programs open throughout the year and as long as you're from one of the eligible countries for the EGT program you are eligible for applying to the ISER Academy as well and they might I think often you will be in Belgium in our education center And in fact, we actually have some EGT positions open to try and coordinate those activities. So if you are interested in the didactic and educational side of space, those are the positions for you.

But you will get the chance to. It could be on space law. It could be on CubeSats. It could be on space policy. There's so many different kinds of, let's say, technical and business and legal side of things, that training opportunities at the academy.

make sure to check that out because I think that it's a nice way to boost your CV as well. But with that, I'm going to hand over now to Philip, and you can take control of the slides and talk a bit more about what you're doing and a bit about Young ESA. Yeah, thanks, Andrew.

There's also the question from Aaron. I see what's made all stand out as applicants. Let me give you an example of somebody who has been laser-focused on the topic of robotic exploration in space.

and how I found into ESA. So as you can see here, I'm from Germany. I studied in Dresden in the East at the Technical University.

But maybe in a bit of an unusual way, I did my master thesis in Stuttgart because they were working on the sample fetch rover, which was at the time part of the sample return as a contribution from ESA. So that was my way of like building up my experience because I knew from maybe four years before I joined that I wanted to be in ESA and so I've been building up my experience my repertoire and I think that's really what made me help stand out because I knew what I wanted I knew why I wanted it and as such I could build a strong application and being here now I see that the skills I have and this inspiration really helps me accelerate development in a way that's maybe otherwise not possible. And also to walk you a bit through my path here, I said I'm German but actually I identify more as European which is also a nice bonus. Here at the European Space Agency I really love the multicultural environment and just creating.

together. That's what we should do. On the other side, I was heavily inspired by sci-fi, I am sure as most of you. And a real turning point was when Curiosity landed on Mars, so NASA mission, and showed me what's possible with robotics and that we should redouble down.

And for me, that's an avenue that Europe can follow to really stand out in the global stage. And that's why I wanted to see how it can do that with ESA. And then I was specializing in robotics and space and control theory in a degree called mechatronics.

So that set me up for systems engineering, what I'm doing now. And at the same time as Andrew was mentioning, please go to those clubs of your universities. Just watch out if there's anything you can do.

I was in a rover building community and taking part in a European Rover Challenge. And that was amazing. Like what we've learned. there in a couple weeks of building and not only that sponsorship like all the steps that you would also later find in a professional experience do that learn what you can and network there's also conferences sjc in europe um and many many more isaacademy um just inform yourself and uh then at the end you can see here i was taking a picture with the xml's rover we have a demonstration motor it's not the right one and the road ahead for me i see is that we have a presence on the moon and our mouse heavily supported by robotics so i've been applying for isa for multiple years i had a one year professional experience before i got the ygt position so yeah just endure like stay connected look for the applications set up your reminders and eventually you will get in.

And as for what I'm doing now, so I'm a systems engineer for the sample transfer arm in human and robotic exploration. And here I look into model-based engineering, for example, to modernize how we approach engineering processes and how we make it more successful. And I'm also supporting on the management level for meetings, reviews, and... actions and also for public articles.

You might have read some if you're interested in mouse from us. Am I back now? My connection was complicated. It's pretty broad and when I look at this, I would say my original position is maybe half of what I do. then there's also other activities as i recommended concurrent design facilities that they can get involved and to do studies on other missions on other projects in isa and get to know how the experts work on these what the discussions are interfaces so i'm very engineering heavy but um yeah just to say and uh what i also want to mention i happen to be the main coordinator of young isa and Young ISA is the young professionals at ISA and we have been having this community this network and the original idea was to have just some support for us arriving at ISA because you know we are moving from all over Europe to the ISA sites and we need to make new friends we need to find housing we need to get a foothold in ISA and young ISA is a place to get support and find friends and Just to give you a little overview because it's growing quite large now.

We do have nine working groups and working groups are like focused teams working on specific projects. I will show you some in a moment. Then we are represented at all the ESA sites which means that no matter where you go you will find young ESA and you can get some support and we also have something called a newcomer's guide where you see information. about the specific location and just general information that helps you get started. And then the Young ESA projects, you might have heard of YP-SAT, the Young Professional Satellite, which is an amazing project done by young professionals.

And they have launched the first YP-SAT in last year, July, on the N6, and it worked. It was fabulous. the hype around it uh it's amazing and now we have four pieces too it's uh working on the cdr And that's something you can look forward to when you come to ISA. And I also want to mention here that Young ISA is actually turning 20 years already. It started 2005 in Essex and this year we are celebrating big with our anniversary.

And yeah, here are some working groups to give you an idea what we're working on. So we also care about equality and diversity inclusion, for example. we have fast setting Fridays where we get some experts from ESA and learn from them and talk to them. Then newcomers and social events is what you will see at the beginning, the welcoming events and where you find all your friends and entrepreneurs.

Young professional event is a big one where we have one big conference per year where we invite every young professional to mingle and learn what's important to us and many, many more. I also want to give you just a bit of insight into WAP-SAT-2, if you haven't known already. So WAP-SAT-1 was a technical demonstration taking pictures of the fairing separation of the Ariane 6. And WAP-SAT-2 is science oriented.

So we have two scientific payloads that are much more complex, but also much more interesting. And the aim is to go on SpaceRider, which is a long term. or with an exposing vehicle to see some effects of microgravity in these experiments. And the big slogan of YPSAT is always, we are one team, we have one mission, and we want to combine all of ESA together to achieve this amazing development.

And as I said, no matter which site you will go to at ESA, we've got you. And yeah, don't forget Young ESA, just look for it and you will find us and hear some impressions of what we've done, going to French Guyana, all the communities at each site, the satellite pictures here with the ESA logo, and the Young Professional Conference you see in the bottom left. Yeah, I just love the community. I was happy to become the main coordinator. And if you have any questions at all.

You can also text me on LinkedIn and I'm happy. Now I've talked for a while and let's see if there's some questions. Thanks for all the messages.

It's really nice. Okay. And I also see some questions here on the day-to-day life in ESA.

And I would really say it's up to you. As an EGT, there's lots of ways for you to experience your own work. When we applied, the job descriptions were quite broad.

And for me at the beginning, it was really about, my supervisor was asking me, what do you want to do? And then I could bring in my own interests. And it takes a lot of autonomy. And also, as I said, knowing what you want.

So I recommend, don't expect. too much of a frame um bring it yourself uh on on questions i got in the interview i can share some experience here. So my application process was multi-step.

So I had a online recording interview where I was just answering questions in a given time frame. So it's like you have one or two minutes per question. And the questions were first on ESA in general. So be informed about ESA, the latest missions.

also if possible when you have knowledge about where your position comes from about that specific directorate and the working groups and offices they have. For me, at the time, it was a bit difficult to find. But I was lucky that on LinkedIn, I could find some contacts and some previous YGTs. And then this way, I got a better feeling of, who am I actually talking to? Who am I applying to?

And that helped a lot, just build my arguments and also know who will be my team because that's also an interesting question and after that online interview i had a face-to-face interview which are now all online as far as i'm aware and there i had my supervisor my line manager and somebody from hr and then it was much more technical then it would go into questions of my experience like what exactly can i provide to the project and um what do i want to do as well like because they were trying to figure out like um how can we integrate this person into our team and um yeah then i think a month or two later i got the confirmation There's also, I see from Alvaro the question, how many positions we can apply to. I think it is. three positions you can apply to now for the EGT positions. So maximum three.

Don't do more and also choose these positions wisely. As Andrew said, don't apply for any chance, but the ones that really resonate with you and where you can show your motivation because it does make a difference. Yeah, and use the three applications.

Even if there's one that is perfect for you, I would recommend apply for three positions because just having the experience at all at ESA is very valuable. for your development and um yeah you can shape it um a bit in your in your way yeah nicole do you see any questions you would like to answer i saw many questions about non-space related background so again as Andrew mentioned, for sure it's important to highlight in your CV any possible extracurricular activity you participated in or also just what passion you have about space. I think that's really important to highlight both in the CV and when you write your cover letter. We did it and it's really met the needs of a lot of people.

That said, I think I saw several questions about people with a biomedical background and yes, there are opportunities. For example, in EAC, in Cologne, we have a medical team, which also I think for sure now there is one YGT. I don't know exactly how many are depositioned, but they are YGTs on a regular basis.

Then I knew people working in communication, so there are EGT positions in the field of communication. Now there is really a lot in the field of computer science across different directories. So really, like, try to, as Andrew said, try to read. the position and try to understand how you can add value to these people. And it's true that what really made the difference in my situation I remember because I asked my supervisor once I got in, was that I, he said during the interview, we really saw that you were reading our article, like you read our article, you went on our webpage, you made your research, and you arrived to the interview prepared.

You knew who we were, you knew how to answer to our question, even though, for example, in my case, since I applied to a research role, I think the space for answering was much more open. It's very difficult to narrow down to a specific field when you do research. There is a lot to know, but ESA has so many different web pages.

They really produce a lot of material so that you can first write your cover letter and then your interview. I think these are general advices that I will give. And then if you didn't see anything that you really would like to answer to, I would like to say a few more words about EAC maybe.

Yeah, go for it. That's a good idea. Because I think, yes, one of the reasons why I'm here is this transition that I did from ESTEC to EIC.

So as Philip already spoke about ESTEC and I have a wonderful memory about ESTEC and the Netherlands, so it was really like a continuous, my calendar was constantly filled out. There were conferences going on and social events going on and the opportunity to participate in WP South. And I also was part of WP South 1, so I can also share my experience about that.

Then EAC is much smaller than STEC. I don't know the specific dimension, but I think we are around here, the 100 people on the DLR side and both on the DLR side and on the STEC side. the ASA site on a daily basis working on site. We have, as I already said, we have the astronauts, so it's very typical that we have the astronaut reserve but also some other astronauts here and we can speak with them, sometimes we train with them in the gym.

It's a fantastic experience, it's really unique. experience. Being smaller I think is also it's really favor focusing on on your job so it's impressive how much you learn also due to the smaller dimension of the site because you are like it's like everything you do is extremely useful so I'm really enjoying it. being part of EIC and something that I love is also the community because the community again is smaller but it's like being in a big family. There are constantly group of interns or professionals or there is a professional which are active so you can, I don't know.

go to Cologne and having cafes together, dinner together, there is a bouldering group, there is always something to do, you never feel alone. And it's very nice when we have lunch all together in the kitchen because we have the DLR Cantina in the AC but it's really common that people prepare their own lunch and they eat all together in the kitchen and then they share what they do on a daily basis. I think this is also very interesting. There was also a question, do you want to become an astronaut in the future? Me?

Well, sometimes I think about it. Because seeing the life of the astronauts and meeting them here is really inspiring. I think it must change as a person going to space.

Personally, I don't see that like my career path because of the health, physical side of the job. So these people have to follow strict rules in terms of... training because they have to face microgravity, they have to face a lot of challenges and although I love sports, I feel that it's more an entertainment for me and I feel that I'm more useful here thinking to my code, thinking, creating my algorithm, I feel more useful.

Actually, Isa uh changed my career perspective a lot so being in isa and i think what really changed my career perspective was also collaborating into web is at one um because i started my career also coming from physics i started my career as a researcher and i think being a researcher is quite different than being an engineer because you are driven by big question while when you are an engineer you are driven by putting things on work and make them safe so uh in within yp satwana i was part of the onboard attending group out of the onboard attending subsystem and uh i like i really discovered a new dimension of coding where you need the reliability you need you you really need to think in a different way. And I think you also really have to team up with the other people. You have to be expert in your role, but you also have to be able to communicate with all the other subsystems in order to understand and cope with each other's needs. And so being part of this project, I think it's really important to have a strong relationship with the other people.

Well, it was just impressive because even though of course the support came from ESA, where only young professionals with the support of some experts working on the satellite. And it was really impressive for me to see the dream come true. And all that way, all these different ways to interact in my daily job and to work really like change my perspective from becoming a researcher in a university to having a more engineer or system engineer role and I don't know for example right now I really would like to to become the manager of a laboratory where I can having a part of my time working coding actually actively coding but also one of one a part of my time supporting younger people that are enthusiastic about space.

For me, it's really about hardware software and how to optimize this specific part of larger systems. I would also say that in the one year I've been here now, I've been here for about a year and a half. moving forward my perspective on what's possible in our careers has changed a lot because you get a lot of inputs and you can talk to a lot of people with a lot of expertise and yeah for example i was trying to make a decision for my career if i wanted to be a technical expert or if i want to become a systems engineer and stay a bit broader and here i could decide i want to become the systems engineer And because I also like this collaborative way of working with different people, different fields. And I'm just too curious.

I cannot stay off other topics. And I see this with like all the other young professionals. And it's amazing how they evolve.

And I look forward to see where everybody will be in a couple of years. And yeah, and this network is amazing. point and i should encourage you both for the application process and to try to collaborate with everyone.

For example, here in IEC we have this large group of interns and we have a small JECL robot. So we can autonomously decide to have weekly meetings and understanding how the skill of each intern can be used in the future. professional can be integrated together how can we learn from each other and how can we build up to so i have also some some results in the end which sometimes can be a bigger result like sometimes can be a smaller result like okay we learned something and we we made we added this little piece to a hitler repository or to whatever project we make this documentation and I think everything is useful. And overall in this era where the technology changes so fast, it's very important that also young people learn but also give what they know and how they experience all these innovations. All right, fantastic.

I'm going to jump in here on behalf of Andrew, since he's dropped out and unfortunately due to the technical difficulties he won't be able to come back on. So thank you everybody for attending. I do apologize for the technical difficulties.

I hope that was a good information session for you. It has been recorded and it will be posted in the future on the careers website. A big thank you to Nicole, thank you Philip. for your help and for talking about your EGT experience.

It's all been super interesting. And if there's been any questions that have not been answered today, because it was a lot of questions, you guys asked a lot of questions, you can email isacareers at isa.int. I have a team of people who will be helping out with that. But check the website first, because we have answered a lot of the questions on our webpages, on our FAQs. So do check that out first.

And if you really can't find an answer to your question, email us. But thank you again. Thank you, Nicole.

Thank you, Phillip. And thank you, Andrew. I know you're in the chat somewhere.

And I hope you guys good luck on your applications. And don't forget, we also have another webinar on YouTube that will take place next week on Wednesday. You can check the careers website for more information and for the link to that webinar.

So, anyways, thank you guys. And I hope you have a great day. Good luck again. Thanks Mirjam, thanks everybody for coming and I wish you all the best. Thank you very much and good luck.

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