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Arnab Goswami on The Debate: Hatas Incident and NCP Controversy

you're watching [Music] Republic from the Republic media Network Headquarters it's time for arnab goswami on the debate [Music] Arab goswami on the debate [Music] good evening ladies and gentlemen and uh it's super Prime Time Max and you're on the debate with me orov viewers the death toll in hatas has reached a number of 121 mostly women and children 121 who came out of a deep devotion and a devout belief 121 fellow citizens who probably possibly agonized were looking for answers in an individual an individual named Bo Baba who would conduct these satsung every Tuesday Bola Baba every Tuesday he would conduct these satsung in his elaborate ashram as 121 were killed in the Stampede triggered possibly by the law unto his own situation that often becomes an eventuality with self-styled God man with great political clout and connections ladies and gentlemen where is Bab Baba today Yogi adiat has been on the ground he's personally monitoring the probe but I come with six very basic questions why is bhab Baba's mention not in the FI why is this God man's mention the spiritual guru's mention not in the F if it was his event if it was his Mass congre ation then what is the purpose or the complicity of dropping his name from the F that's the first thing the chief minister should look at number two initial findings suggest that this Baba like other so many others we have seen had some sort of private security which guard his extremely large ashram and it was the untrained private security that began to push and shove the innocent devotees who were rushing trying to get dasan from the Baba if this is true then where are these private forces of the Baba today and is in the first question on everyone's mind as to on Whose instruction were these private security men shoving this large crowd which ran into lacks we are told number three the Baba is now giving written statements but he is on the Run he's untraceable if he's a man of God why is he untraceable why is he running away from the law what kind of impunity can a self-styled God man have for going completely underground after being the organizer of an event in which there was no security no Protocol no emergency services no ambulance and where his own private quartery was pushing and shoving the attendees can an entire police force not trace this man down or are they not trying for other compulsions number four viewers and this is the picture of that man this very Baba is also accused in other cases there are allegations of sexual assault and there is a precedent of similar similar events being held in the midst of covid so when there is solid precedent then how can we allow an open Forum to these people in the name of their being religious preachers fifth ladies and gentlemen The Silence of the akiles and mayawati groups stuns me shocks me because we are told that akilesh was heaping Praise on this very Baba as recently as last year and during the mayawati ERA this gentleman spun around in a lbti car but for once ladies and gentlemen can they just break out of the cycle of appeasement to these self-style godmen can they for once put your Humanity first can the politicians across the board please put Humanity first ladies and gentlemen I come to you this evening with three debates ladies and gentlemen two debates in fact the first of course is the situation where you have this man on the loose and I cannot believe why the state government in utar Pradesh cannot have him arrested by now why his name is not in the F fire till now some hard questions are coming up ladies and gentlemen at 8:35 p.m. tonight why I believe the BJP if it wants to keep its vote Bank together has to throw out Ajit pawar's NCP from the mahui Coalition in Maharashtra because this man naab males is accused of links with the underworld how can dendra fnav or the BJP top leadership in Delhi even think of allowing that at 9:00 tonight I will analyze I've looked at Narendra modi's speeches in the loksabha and the rajas SAA today the indicators of what Narendra modi's government will be like many of you liked my analysis yesterday I'll go further into detail on that today and tell you the Modi 3.0 indicators that is at 9:00 but for now let me begin with the headlines this evening [Music] more than 120 innocent lives lost in hatas but there is no accountability whatsoever the self-style godman is on the run his name has not yet been added to the F no arrests have been made complete failure on the part of the administration so far and the godman in hiding releases a statement now but he's nowhere to be found the God man is trying to brush his hands off with the left the venue long ago defense the godman is trying to shift the blame on antisocial elements why doesn't he come clean and take accountability first it's an ideological test yet again for the BJP in Maharashtra underworld linked nawab Malik has been formerly brought into the NCP by Ajit Paar and by extension there therefore into the BJP Alliance FIS is really unhappy he's writing letters but why doesn't he act will the move cast a shadow on the mahui will the BJP act or accept the ties with the daud linked nawab Malik [Music] [Applause] two days to very very fiery speeches the Prime Minister has set the tempo for Modi 3.0 sling protests hooting and even walking out the cornered opposition has run out of comebacks after the prime minister's Point BYO rebuttal [Music] ladies and gentlemen first I want to begin this evening with the events in hatas where as of tonight as I said in the introduction of the program over 120 innocent lives were lost in a stampede after a satsung held by a self-styled God man called bhab Baba as authorities face mounting scrutiny over their handling of the incident questions arise over the very absence of this God man about why his name is not even in the FI can you believe it and his political links are those political links responsible for his getting away so far and if a individual is not even questioned for an incident like this then what message are we sending to Citizens across the country let's debate in a tragic incident that has shocked the nation over 120 people lost their lives in hatas utar Pradesh in a stamped while attempting to collect holy dust scattered by a so-called spiritual leader known as Bo Baba [Music] authorities are facing scrutiny over the handling of such events involving influential figures like the godman mmy mmy [Music] [Music] how criticism has mounted on the police over the absence of Bo Baba's name in the firi raising concerns about potential political affiliations and connections 121 lives have been lost why there is no F fire against why there is no F againsta Mr DM you will have to answer my question you will have to answer my let Mr DM you will have to answer my question 121 lives have been lost 121 lives have been lost why there is no F fire against 24 hours have been passed why there is no F why why there have been no arrest made so far what we have been seeing that there have been no arrest so far 24 24 hours Pass 2 hours passed but there is [Music] no you are the SDM you will have to answer the question you are the SDM you will have to answer the question you can't do it like this reports have suggested a link between Vol Baba and former Chief Minister akilesh yadav where he is seen pervertedly acknowledging the spiritual leaders influence on political fortunes [Applause] amidst these developments questions are being raised about the prioritization of cast politics over humanitarian concerns [Music] with the Baba's name missing from the FI and with akil's video now coming back to haunt him questions are being raised on whether sp's influence is shielding the absconding self-styled God man godmen cannot be allowed to escape accountability under the gar of religion the main question is is politics more important than Humanity [Music] uh uh ladies and gentlemen I joined by Major Ashish chaturvedi of the samajwadi party sharat tredi of the BJP Karan VMA yes shardan aad former special director intelligence Bureau and former IPS very senior officer and ratnakar tripati of the congress party major Ashish tredi It is believed now there is evidence that this person surj pal who was a sub inspector and then became a spiritual leader and calls himself Bo Baba and is got his big asham in murri that he's very very very very close to the India Alliance that it is generally believe that he uses his influence to gets votes for the India Alliance he is a quazi political leader from the jatav community and akiles and India Alliance are trying to get the jatav vote from uh mayawati and he therefore has your support now can you deny any of this because I saw video and today very interestingly Karan please notice that akiles is quiet finger on the lips we want his votes even now you see ratnakar G is quiet maor Ashish is chhat is quiet otherwise after saying so many things they would have responded by now but they can't speak against him akiles has not demanded his arrest tell me major as has akiles demanded his arrest have you called my name yet no no I'm asking major asish chat first as akiles demanded his my name because I saw that EV very quietam why to be so much personal no nothing personal I said Do You Believe does samaj party believe that he should be arrested surprising the most surprising thing which has louder please hold back in the studio that the police and the administration have not named the person in the firi so why will the police be looking for him when they have not named him in the firir so as per the administration and the police of hatas the gentleman has already been given a clean [ __ ] so that shows the intent and the action being taken the and to blame it on akilesh yadav how can is the administration and the police taking orders from Yogi adiat or akilesh yadav they're taking orders from because he the reason you are right to some extent sharat tredi G is the is the BJP also Al decided is Yogi adiat decided that we will not name him otherwise the jatav vote will go against you know I feel that when anybody does anything wrong you should have the bulldozer approach I support the bulldozer approach by now if if he had not been an influential cast Community leader you would have bulldozed his asham but about him you refusing to have the bulldozer approach because maybe you think that if you name him then there will be you know his followers will go crazy you will lose the jat of vote it will become an issue for the upcoming 2027 up elections you not named him in the F can you believe it Mr tredi you not named him in the F why first of all my prayers are with the bered and with those who are injured and hopefully the injured are not in any serious situation they are going 121 people have died yes you've not named surj pal Singh in the fir the FI is lodged against the organizers not the invite so Prime what do you mean invite he is the he it is his event is his evented sir I show you the poster people have come in his no no a civil and a Judicial inquiry both have been ordered additional director General Agra and commissioner aligar division are so what is there to investigate the man ran away he had a private Army his private Army pushed the people and his devotees ran apparently to collect the dust over which his car drove because it was seen to be some kind of an offering they are so superstitious his private Army pushed the people the people came for him you are not having an F against him you see these are the things no no no you want why don't you say okay I don't think you will lose the jata vote by arresting him we are not going to spare anybody we are just spare him you decided to spare come out and we are going to act against no matter person who are 121 people die you have not named him in the firi I don't understand this what are you doing Mr tried I'll let ratnakar come at this point but I'm deeply uncomfortable with this attitude you see Yogi ad is saying Yogi Adan is saying rightly so he's saying that we all know who is responsible and the akiles is the man who's close to him but if Yogi adiat is saying that then why is Yogi adan's police not naming him in the FI nobody has any answers tonight 121 people die in this country and nobody's naming the F fire yesu aad I'm flabbergasted tonight I'm my viewers are flabbergasted I'm going to open the phone lines on this I'm going to open the phone lines please open the lines yesu aad what's going on here yes adab I'm equally surprised as you are first of all let me appreciate your introduction where you did not go by The Stereotype View and start attacking the police and District administration everyone else except the God man who has organized this I'm distressed as as as an ex cop to see that the Babas still rule the root of this country and the politicians for their vot Banks don't do anything against them now my first point is uh this Baba whatever he's called Bo or not Bo is the man who knew very well that the the people are coming in his name the congregation has been organized every Tuesday he used to do it he knew that in this heat uh the arrangements are not proper because this has happened even before Arab that is number one when you don't have the adequate facilities and then you organize something for this and get a crowd of about two lakhs and the most important is that when his own seads are virtual goons there's another information ER by the way I hope you know that these savad DARS don't want the police to even interfere with the arrangements inside they don't want anyone from The District administration because inside they have their own show they have their own setup systems where people pay oisans the Chas increase more and when exactly at that point of time in that heat people wanted to go they were prevented by the seads because they said the first the Baba has to go there were some people who wanted to touch his feet and in that Melly when they were being pushed back that is what led to this Stampede and people fell in the drains Beyond and therefore in this particular case Baba where he's doing programs everywhere was fully in the knowledge that when you don't have adequate precautions when you don't have adequate facilities you cannot be allowed to hold this saman all over the world whenever you call people for a private function this is not a state function this is not for a social cause then you have to make your own Arrangements the police Arrangements have to be outside this man ran away from that spot he ran away sead ran away and that's why today he should be named in the FI and I'm sure he'll be named Arab very soon and he should be arrested and he should be convicted viers viewers you will see on the picture out there on the screen keep it full frame please you will see a tweet of ail yadav I'm not sure of the name where he's talking about attending an event of this individual who calls himself Bo Baba and whose name is surj pal Singh sometimes called Naran sakar Hari or sakar vishari or Bo Baba or surj Pal Singh or is ratnakara yav today viewers Karan let me tell you the India Alliance has a very convenient relationship with its fellow parties today ratnakar tripati will say please ask the samajwadi party can I run that on the screen but he sees this as well this is open promotion a political promotion a semi-political activity and the promotion of akilesh by this individual so while I hold the yogi government guilty of not acting yet this explains the congress party and akilesh Going Quiet on this issue completely quiet because they know their links and they know they depend on these godmen for votes ratnakar tripati when will this dependence end when will this dependence end uh first of all my heartfelt condolence to all who have lost their I mean everything and I just checked to the date it is July 2024 your introduction gave me the impression that the it seems that state is run by akiles the police is under the pressure was by home can someone tell me the date of the what you what are your comments on that tweet TW this tweet was which date you don't want to if you don't want me to talk don't invite this tweet was which date in the context first complete this is this is the curtsy this is the curtsy you first let me complete so the DM is so defiant and arrogant the is sing your reporter so akilesh Yad is running Administration who is running this picture by the way ratnakar tripati I checked let me January 202 when were the when were the up elections when were the up one minute one minute just one minute one minute when were the up elections AR I want to give the some cont when were the up elections after when were the 20222 elections drami if you don't speak I will keep quiet after 2022 Arab akiles yadav has constantly been wooing this subcast that you mentioned the jat of subcast he has been constantly woing that vote bank and he has constantly been wooing all those godmen who stand with them this is exactly why he's patronized this godmen man this Shameless godman I would say who deserted his devotees left them high and dry to die and he's escorted away and akiles yadav has not mentioned him by his name even once since yesterday not once has akilesh yadav said that this man has blood on his hands is that true and that shows that shows his vot bank politics nothing but vot Bank politics so driven are akiles and Rahul Gandhi by this vote Bank politics that they are ready to play politics over dead bodies this is the Shameless that they've descended to they have not mentioned once once they've not mention Tria let me go back to you did this man help transer what about the administration what about the DM what about Yogi what is he doing what is he doing have you sent him red roses so he has hit the ground why don't you send red roses to Y of ask questions you have you have shown mentality also is is akiles Yad dictating the terms in the government Shi why don't you why don't I think I think these people are not even aware who's running the they are sitting on debate yet they are not even aware who running the administration running I got your point and therefore I will ask the BJP spokesperson yet again no no one minute Mr Mr tredi you are saying your party is saying that akiles is supporting this person because he helps transfer a community's vote to him he may have been supporting mayawati earlier because earlier he was a mayawati supporter now he's left mayawati and has gone to samajwadi party so obviously he's an influential man in the sense that most most uh people religious leaders are but you see Mr tredi people vote for a party not for religious leaders are these the real powers in utar Pradesh have you succumbed to cast politics are you afraid of acting against him because you will never get this vote because you will move the jatav vote more towards the samajwadi party if so take a risk arrest him otherwise I will get a feeling that he's held your state to Ransom anab I've assured you that with two inquiries ining one with senior high court judge we are going to nail the guilty we are going to hang the person that the heads are going to roll this time we are not going to spare anybody we'll deal with politics later but get let's get the administration to give us the feedback is why is it are you listen listen one second sir sir sir let me you know what happens you make these promises and then on the eve of the harana elections Ram raheim goes and gets parole he's out every time before a harana election you people make the promises on television am I right Jan there's a deal they do the political parties do a deal with these guys and then you say why why do the IPS officer not listen to me am I right yesan aad Mr aad can you unmute yourself can I hear him on air Please Mr Azad is on air please thank you Mr aad on air please he's speaking thank you producers yeah Mr aad can you can you hear me now now thank you sir you were not on it thank you sir you know uh the uh this uh this gentleman the PO Baba uh is his is actually a scandal because he's actually dividing the society with we have Rich Babas we have the for the rich class we have Babas for the lower class and this is extremely unfortunate this is being accentuated by such Babas in this particular case this Baba was fully cognizant of what is going to happen because every where he has gone when he's drawing crowds the arrangements have never been up to the mark and that is why it was always a Stampede in waiting yeah in this respect I'm shocked why his name was not put in the FI and why he was not arrested immediately but I am very very sure and another thing Arab the judicial inquiry does not preclude any kind of arrest because the firir is running parallel the judicial in quiry does not stop any investigation so it is about time that the police arrest this Baba because this is extremely important you have evidence M Mr D I think I'll take a couple of calls to get you a sense of how people are feeling Samir is calling from Mumbai Samir you're watching the developments out here 2 lakh people were present in the satsang pandal the SDM had not cleared this kind of a number and no Fi not even the not even once has this particular individual will be named your thoughts Samir from Mumbai please yeah Samir yeah can I give two examples Arab yes Samir yeah uh I tweeted a post in 2020 uh saying that anab goswami is an international Smuggler giving 800 rupees per cable sub subscriber to individual household in Mumbai but to my shock I found out that the guy who sain was turned out to be a murderer it was extremely shocking the second example is that when the 93 Bomb Blast happened we all were waiting for Daddy to come home at 5:00 but till 8 830 he did not come home so it was very terrifying that I'm not being able to comprehend exactly what you're saying perhaps I'm missing something I'll get back to you in a minute I come back to that question here you see the questions are far more serious and that's why even with the last caller I'm not allowing any you know this is not a time to joke or be sarcastic we are dealing with a serious issue I think Yogi adiat should really have the tough approach and act because people are watching him everywhere now he he can't keep waiting for the investigation had the tough approach yes yes he's mred a bus here in the sense that the firir should have mentioned the God man but otherwise he's hit hit the road running this is a departure from what we used to happen Arab in the past where we had such instances how do you say he's hit the back then I remember in 2013 he's hit the own running of course he's ordered he's ordered a Judicial probe already tried Jal he trying to fix responsibility Arab I remember those days Arab I remember those days in 2013 when M nagar RS happened and we used to have those saf M no no you are just using the to have those people in in relief camps shering and and ministers used to have a nice time in so at least this is a departure from there I'm telling you this much Karan listen I was the one who sent my investigative reporters and questioned the SII m in which I think Salman Khan was dancing my question is not that my question is having taken that position how can you be quiet when there's not even an F against this man ratnakar tripati we must be fair he is not quite AR he ordered an sit probe that is what we were asking for yesterday he's delivered on that he's ordered an sit probe and you know Yogi we all know him he will not spare anyone he will notare anyone has he been even questioned he's probably sitting there in his Lu he should be questioned he is the culprit he should be questioned is another matter a matter of we are all not going to keep should be na he will be na please please let me complete without any interaction I mean intervention right you tell me one thing Yogi ADI G came here he categorically said he said there is a conspiracy isn't he trying to guide the probe and you just tell me Dr goswami one thing I keep my political Alliance aside break do we have a break yeah under 127 people died and this person B Baba which you are saying is stilling and everybody is saying should I say n Modi Wasing rist I don't believe don't term it like that why shouldn't Yogi atna take action why hasn't he I'll give you one last chance to respond question as the pressure builds on taking legitimate pressure bills on taking action against this self style God man because we must understand there is no separate criminal procedure code for for God I hear you can I get a response from uh from Mr TR I do not want to politicize I can give 100 examples already Kum 500 people died I was myself present there who was hanged who dra there serious situation where people have died to responsib people haveen you 500 people di in K Kumba so you have a right to be on the bodies of 127 people no no why is not bul yet not I think I will I will only conclude this by saying while while we can raise questions while we can see I uh Mr Mr triti the way the things stand on this case he's being protected not because he's a God man but because he's a godman who is seen to be able to influence votes B the administration is unclear what instructions are coming from lnno therefore lakau must give a clear instruction when you say we'll set up an sit the administration will not do anything till the sit completes its job the messaging is very wrong he's not even been called in for questioning I'll take a 30 second break and why after that the BJP should immediately cut its ties with the NCP Ajit PA faction because it has brought back the mafia underworld link nawab Malik into the mahui alliance back in 30 seconds back with the debate Ami has been ranked India's number one private university for the 11th year by India Today a testimony to Ami's worldclass education whilst imbibing values and Suns scars in students hotel management with AI join International Institute of hotel management get ready to witness the best technology Extravaganza of now back to the [Music] debate welcome back the mafia underworld L notorious naab Malik has been welcomed back into the NCP by Ajit Saar this is the Ajit Paar faction this is the faction that is with the BJP it is terrible optics for the BJP indirectly they are now working with a man who has been linked to the underworld writing a letter is not good enough Mr Dietra fnav and the BJP top leadership need to decide whether or not they need to continue with a party that is openly welcoming back leaders who are linked to the underworld who are linked to De company if the BJP accepts this even then it has no chance in the upcoming Maharashtra elections let's debate Ajit Paar has welcomed nawab Malik back into the NCP after the Divide within nationalist congress party in Maharashtra the biggest question was where will nawab Malik go remember nawab Malik was in fact facing the charges of Terror connection land dealings with the D company and following which nawab Malik was in fact seen with Ajit Paar at that point in time dendra fadnavis had written a letter to Ajit Paar and had objected his pres But ultimately NCP Ajit pawar Camp seems to be in the full support of naab Malik at that point in time this move by Ajit Paar comes despite dendra F taking strong objection naab Malik was arrested in 2022 in a money laundering case and is currently out on bail naab Malik is also accused of having links with the underworld this Mafia like threat issued by the NCP leader in 2020 against Republic editor and chief orob goswami only substantiates the allegations against naab the situation in Maharashtra is a final ideological test for the BJP the BJP has already drawn flag for his alliance with NCP which has been held responsible for the saffron party's loss in Lok SAA in Maharashtra will the BJP pass the test will it remain or break away from mahui [Music] uh viewers first question to Swagat sha and Krishna heg of the Shiva is with us shind faction SEMA Malik NCP power faction kishor tiari Shiva uh udav Sena rather is with us tonight Swagat sha uh you are trying to break break away from the BJP and hence you are giving a reason I think it's a very good reason for the BJP to break away from you because this man is linked to daud ibraim there is a moneya laundering case against daud ibraim and it has led to the connection of naab Malik in the case you know the details do you want me to tell you all the details or have you decided it's okay let everybody yes yes no no I know all the details so he's working with you now uh arov firstly first and foremost uh I would like to tell you that uh he's uh he's a MLA is he working with you now is what I as is that I'm asking you whether he's with you now none our of just by seeing him in one of the meeting which was not even started doesn't prove that he with us or uh see understand meting was which meeting was it he had some work with he had some work with a regarding and D Link Malik are now working together kishna can do you know what work no sir Krishna can you tell me what work this D Link man has with a no I am asking that I am asking that because I want to ask the Shiva Chief uh you know akat chind through his spokesperson whether whether akat chind is comfortable with nawab Malik being in the ma mahui Arab let me tell you one thing that this is an intern internal matter between a how is it an internal matter the man is linked to D but when you asking me as a myti spokesperson let me tell you that our alliance with the BJP is emotional and bjp's is your link with the naab Malik also emotional and if if if if naab Malik has now come into the picture it must be aitar arithmetic for the future months and for the future polls what future months and future polls can you elaborate but let me tell you can you elaborate fut what if you talk about ideology and no can you can you elaborate on that point can you say that AIT is ait's planning for future polls and future city what is the planning in your mind no Arab let me tell you this is this is a you know earlier in the Congress government also there was banad Pand and dendra Pand who hijacked the Indian Airlines flight there were 60 passengers they end end endagered the passengers lives sir you are not understanding my question my question is my question is a person linked to Ibrahim should be a political Untouchable in my view there are links to dud ibraim and to Hina Parker okay SEMA Malik's party may have no problems see right now s Malik's party may be happy working with people who are linked to D but you should not right now Mr sik let be a verdict Cas and when there's a verdict on SEMA Malik one minute SEMA Malik SEMA Malik right uh that's what I'm trying TOA Malik my question is s Malik of the NCP sh a special court on 20th May a special Court 2th May 2022 took cognizance of the Ed charge sheet against nawab Malik and said there is prima FY evidence to indicate that this man this notorious fellow nawab Malik is knowingly and directly involved with the moneya laundering and criminal conspiracy with alleged connections to dud and Hina Parker it says that the accused nawab Malik and members of the D company daud company daud ibraim company daud ibraim daud ibraim Sima Malik conspired and took unauthorized possession of the above property Hina Parker daud ibrahim's sister and naab Malik entered into criminal conspiracy for this conspiracy members of the D company da company and naab Malik I repeat dud ibraim and nawab Malik got together and carried out this criminal act congratulations SEMA Malik on working so closely with members link to daud ibraim congratulations since he has now moved to the sharat Paar group is he with you or have you transferred him is he with you or have you transferred him this is a 2005 issue which you're talking about now is asking whichever company has been working with that time he was with the party he was with the NC and a not my question is to SEMA Malik SEMA Malik Sima Malik unmute yourself you're muted you're muted you have to press a button unmute yourself first I don't have an audio I don't have a video can you unmute yourself please ladies and gentlemen extra extraordinary situation two political Sima Malik unmute yourself otherwise I can't hear you she's trying to unmute yourself kishor tiari so you are also now working with these D Ibrahim linked people would this have made balas Tak happy would this have made balas Tak happy AR no one is working have wanted his son to work with people close to IIM BJP has already diluted their stand they have compromise with the everything but as far as what was Baba chaan doing in am K rally Mr tiari what was Salim K doing with Dancing with Salim badar in nasik they were all your ubt leaders don't give us G look at your own things what has happened in the last two three months you are under and Bomb Blast in every given has asked me we have still believe that na Malik was victimized the misuse of Ed was done against him we have a courage to say that but I'm sure you have the courage to also say that D ibraim was victimized in your view I'm sure you will even build a case for D ibraim now Shak maybe tomorrow them you ask me you them you ask me is not answering don't don't to say anything AR goami if you say if you say if you say you have been victimized by the our government then I will say no I don't care two Hoots about your government I don't I have not cared two Hoots about your government then I don't care to Hoots now are coming back am I on record you can come back what the hell you want now listen to me listen to me my question is sh andc sh and I thought DAV is very upset but he is okay is the BJP okay with working with nawab Malik also now I mean Ashok chaan Ajit Paar and now congratulations naab Malik we have seen the consequences of this ideological dissection in the last elections you will lose even your together in on record has written to AIT as the deputy chief minister of the state and and an alliance he has written to a p g saying that what is your stand Vis nawab Malik because this is not acceptable to us this is in the public domain K G he's asked me a question just hold your horses hold your horses you can take all the different people who where you have no no courage of conviction you can take all those people who are you want to insulate we at least have an ideology and that ideology in the public domain is known to one and all because dendra has written to what's the point here my question is my question is my question is CH one minute G one minute dendra fap is very unhappy swagata you are the spokesperson of the NCP Ajit paan BJP on record is saying we are very unhappy that you're working with this person connected to da ibraim do you even care or are you looking for an excuse sir let me clarify this no no no no sir let me clarify firstly and foremostly as you know that is a finance minister na Malik sir had some Finance related m can I speak sir can I speak I'm just answering toov sir's question let me clarify let me clarify let me clarify about the video which has been what is the at the video has he joined you or not speak this doesn't look like a finance department meeting swagata this does not look like a finance department meeting it looks like a political meeting sir mlc election me sir sir why is why isab Malik there in an NCP election meeting at with AIT D PA sir as the finance Min Minister and working in in Constitution our meeting started after naab Malik oh God oh God you are was a minister inment don't tell us anything a minister he a minister in your government requested I think I for you you are dancing with bombast accused years jaari have some SH now he was invited and he was invited to ladies and gentlemen I need to close this but I have I have something to predict and Sh andc said it very clearly and Krishna hegre also did not say it but let me tell you they will be very happy if Ajit Paar goes because Ajit PA is now seen to be a liability to this mahay yui Alliance in the upcoming elections the BJP cannot accommodate both akat chind and Ajit PA that it's they just cannot do that Ajit PA has lost out majorly he'll try to hold some ground it's even possible he'll go back to sharat PA tomorrow ladies and gentlemen the way I see it the sooner the BJP breaks up with Ajit Paar the better otherwise their chances in the next Maharashtra elections will get affected on the other side tonight the big Modi debate we had rajas saaba speech today Lok SAA yesterday how do we read what's on his mind in a few minutes time for a quick breather Arab will be right back with the debate Amity has been ranked India's number one PR University for the 11th year by India Today a testimony to Ami's 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emphasized that most of the seats of the Congress were on the basis of their support from their allies and put out a figure that 34 of the seats where the Congress fought directly with the BJP they lost the Narendra Modi 3.0 is going to be far more aggressive confident decisive than people are expected he will be exactly the opposite of what the Lan Brigade would want him to be prime minister's Parliament speeches set the temple from the Republic media Network Headquarters it's time for Arab goswami on the debate [Music] [Applause] Arab go Swami on the debate good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome back to the debate and now for the nation's sharpest opinion you know what they say viewers the best way to make sure that a mediocre product collapses or under average product or a poor product collapses completely and is wiped out from the market is to have an excellent marketing marketing machine around it ladies and gentlemen and that is exactly I feel if you look at it I feel that that is exactly unfortunately what has happened to Rahul Gandhi once again and this happens to be the reality with Mr Gandhi in 2014 I remember there was a huge marketing campaign by the Lans media which said Rahul Gandhi is going to save us Narendra Modi is becoming stronger Sonia Gandhi is becoming weaker manm moan sing has seen as indecisive and Rahul Gandhi is going to save by on this huge marketing campaign which follow followed in which I must say in which I must say the completely flexible and spineless Lan media played its part they may all deny it now but this Lan media ladies and gentlemen you know the reason I hate them they have no ideological consistency they just flow with the wind the lutan media in their tone and tonality and in their ideological inconsistency are like Autumn Leaves ladies and gentlemen they have no strength of Their Own no ideological Pursuit they dry up and they fall to the ground and that is why they're always troed on anyway this is not about my views on the Lan media so this time also viewers there are direct and indirect participants from the Lan media as far as the Rahul Gandhi campaign is concerned and this Lan media said that this time Rahul Gandhi has come of age they did programs has Rahul Gandhi come of age I mean you've got to be out of your mind completely crazy to ask us stupid question like that would you anywhere in the world ask a 55-year-old man whether he has come of age it's demented reasoning now they said no but this time they got 98 ladies and gentlemen if there was a little bit of a glimmer of hope in the eyes of the opposition it dried up and evaporated when the same members of the Lian media looked at the faces of people sitting around Rahul Gandhi yesterday as he spoke SP they look petrified you should see the pictures ladies and gentlemen their own leader speaking first they look worried increasingly concerned petrified and if you see towards the end somewhere you could see sadness in their eyes see dupinder huda's pictures once again sitting right behind Rahul Gandhi there was a sense of sadness oh god what have we done and by going off a written script I truly believe that Rahul Gandhi should follow a written script by going off a written script it was another self- goal I can only imagine you know the desperation with which people in the Lan media who said that it doesn't matter what Rahul Gandhi said what matters is that he said something that's another joke ladies and gentlemen it is like a nursery school teacher saying it doesn't matter that the child Couldn't Write a single line or learn the alphabet at least he said something he gobbled something something I truly feel sorry for the Lans media more than for Rahul Gandhi because for them it is another lost opportunity ladies and gentlemen you don't have to be a Modi B to come to the conclusion that after these two speeches in the Lok saaba and the rajas SAA the Prime Minister has come out looking extremely strong I said in my program yesterday that it is my view and this may be seen as surprising by many that the slightly stunted Mandate of the BJP will make the Prime Minister more assertive he might in fact end up being more decisive and taking a stand on issues on which he should have been stronger in the past I said yesterday that this time in Modi 3.0 nobody will dare do a Shaheen bag ladies and gentlemen he's not going to be soft with the anarchist elements and there will be no living let live kind of approach as far as the corrupt are concerned that's my reading do you agree with my views on the marketing campaign of Rahul Gandhi having ended in an absolute thud of a flop tell me what you think now let's quickly slip into the debate [Applause] [Music] [Applause] VI atra [Music] [Applause] [Music] just [Music] 1977 radio [Music] [Music] n [Music] [Music] ARR [Music] social media video m stive l man agen [Music] [Applause] women development mahila s mudra is bar thisy J [Music] [Applause] number number [Applause] [Music] economy top [Music] [Music] re [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] or s [Applause] [Music] you [Music] and uh ladies and gentlemen I took 8 and a half minutes there to run the clips of the prime minister's speech and I must tell you ladies and gentlemen with pride we have been running speeches of all the significant leaders including the leader of the opposition Mr Rahul Gandhi we ran it live and we ran clips of it yesterday now you would say why have I run the whole speech 8 minutes of it out here well because I feel it is time for us to think Smita beyond the excitement of the fourth and the fact that the BJP missed the halfway mark by 30 seats and the Congress missed the halfway mark by 180 seats we need to look at what is the choice before the country and I would like to begin with you because I want your response to my take that the contrast has never been stronger as it was between Rahul Gandhi and Narendra Modi over the last couple of days I personally found Rahul Gandhi's approach ill-prepared flippant insubstantial weak on content heavy on presentation and here was therefore in my view a majorly lost opportunity and I know that the most of the media now has started doing this Balancing Act but there can be no Balancing Act between competence and incompetence there can be no Balancing Act between people of such remarkably different tone and tonality I really felt that Rahul Gandhi age of 55 had a wonderful opportunity to present himself differently but I believe this was a lost opportunity in a big way Smita what do you think uh thank you Arab uh I don't think uh he has he has any uh incentive to present himself differently he's presented himself exactly how he did during the uh two yatras that he did and he felt that the party has been rewarded by the numbers so uh what you saw him what you saw in the loksabha his Maiden speech was exactly an uh exactly that an extension of what he was uh speaking in the campaign rallies and in the bhaj joro yatras um and uh he has been rewarded by the Numbers the they have increased their numbers yes they haven't formed a government the India Alliance wasn't successful in forming a government uh but at the same time they have managed to cause a dent uh whereby he is leader of the opposition despite him not trying too hard to be one uh and uh you know uh orup in our country we have seen governments Fall by even one vote uh the BJP is 32 short of majority yes the NDA has a majority of 293 but you know this BJP NDA prism is what is causing um difference in perception uh in the in how you see the reflection and that's what the uh opposition is seeing that's what Rahul Gandhi is seeing that uh you know the Casual Comfort which the BJP had in the past 10 years uh they don't have that in the in in this term that's gone so you you know in the first couple of weeks I think the BJP did did look vulnerable and unsure and the and the opposition looked like they had won even though they had lost it looked like they had won so the performance of Rahul Gandhi as leader of the opposition um it it's straight away that you know we are not going to let you uh work in Comfort Zone in any comfort zone and the BJP allowed him to make his speech I think they did not do this undercover information gathering of the sabotage uh that the opposition was going to do on the PM speech in the loksabha that was absolutely stunningly it was it was shocking to everybody that 2 and a half hours of shouting down the Prime Minister certainly not uh not something that the opposition should have done uh if the cameras had focused on the opposition in the Lo saaba it would have looked very bad okay so I'll tell you my take on this it may be an unconventional take it I completely disagree with you because uh for the reason but though Shad is better prepared to respond to this I don't believe that the Prime Minister speech was sabotaged I believe that the BJP was strategically silent because the Optics of it don't go well for those who are shouting the Prime Minister down equally not shouting Rahul Gandhi down is equally not a mistake I believe it's a blessing for the BJP because imagine if they had shouted down Rahul Gandhi then the focus would not have been on the shallowness of his speech the focus would have been on the fact that poor guys not being allowed to speak so I don't know I don't look at politics that way I'm looking at public perception and I disagree with you on those two premises but I'd like uh Shel to give his view before I open up to the political sides soil so it is with uh great trepidation that I too slightly disagree with Smitha look Narendra Modi is a very smart politician okay he's very clear that the victimhood clock will not rest only on Rahul Gandhi's shoulders today what has happened is with just pure bad behavior and to be honest I didn't expect this from Rahul G for three reasons number one for the first time he's leader of the opposition true number two he fought a good campaign whether you like it or not number three people have a lot of Hope from him whoever those people may be whether in the party or outside the party there's a certain decorum that is required of people when they're in Parliament you know outside you can convert it into a wrestling match but inside Parliament there is a decorum and the other problem with Rahul Gandhi is he's the master of irony for a person who swears by the Constitution who raises slogans about the Constitution you are necessarily violating every tenet of letter and spirit of that Constitution by behaving in such an ignorable manner that to in Parliament for the whole world to see so you haven't got any credit by doing what you number two Arab to my mind this votes very ill for the future of India's Parliament for the next 5 years because if this is going to be the way people are going to behave then don't blame the government if they pass laws on voice vot because you're not allowing any work to be done you are preventing the government of the day from doing any parliamentary work and then saying oh democracy is under threat you can't have it both ways you know it's not operation successful and patient debt my problem with Rahul Gandhi is that he must recognize that the Wrestling Federation of India or the wrestling matches are held outside Parliament not in parli but soale he has so many people I was watching the post analysis and he has so many people who say it does not matter what he says so remember saying something no I say see look at it this way I felt he was being baited many people feel many this this this imagery was going around oh but you know he got the prime minister to stand up and respond viewers and especially viewers with political depth of understanding please see the manner in which the Prime Minister got for how long he was on his feet which is exactly 10 seconds and the very limited message he made with a fair amount of gravity and sarcasm where he said it is my culture I've have been told to respect the leader of the opposition he does not say I respect he says I have been told now look at that one point being Gandhi Sonia Gandhi who is rahul's mother has behaved in the most dignified manner where because I felt you know this this you Gandhi the late Rajiv Gandhi behaved in the most dignified manner when in the house there stray incident I expected Rahul Gandhi to follow the legacy of Pandit Neu of prime minister Indra Gandhi of Rajiv Gandhi of Sonia you know there's a certain disappoint Gandhi I take examples of the post and pre to the Trump Biden debate it might seem an alarming comparison but Shazad let me explain this you know till Biden was forced to speak extempore and not in prepared reels he did not mess up the moment Biden went off the written script he went blank until 3 days back the entire Pro Biden media was saying that you know it's a wrong impression they have about our leader the media is against him the media has a conspiracy now even those people who said this hat and remember how many people say the same thing about Rahul he's a great great Visionary the media India has a problem but put in an exmor situation we have a different response now let me put the comparison to Trump and then I promise to speak less even Trump even Trump was smart enough to understand when he had that encounter that he must appear more statesmanlike not be vicious not be loud and appear to be a little bit more substantial even if he's not this is strategy I mean if you want to be a leader you're going to have to position yourself much more differently uh Shad let's do some interesting analysis of this now uh you heard her views Smita said he's I think he's done R's done pretty well because this is what works for him and this is what he's done to take that analy forward anab if you permit me I want to actually extend that analogy further uh uh in fact Arab look at the two contrasting pictures that came out from Parliament one is a picture of of Grace where prime minister despite being heckled offers a water glass to the hecklers who are standing right in front of him and then you have leader of opposition who has now become leader of disruption behaving in the most crudest Manner and just to correct soel soel even Sonia Gandhi had indulged in the similar Behavior although you can say that she has exhibited little more grace in public life compared to Rahul but Smitha and Arab's memory would serve them right that they have behaved exactly like this which is The Scorch Earth policy thirdly look at how they have trans ition from darat to in loab sunat to in rajas saaba rukat means don't wait so who's a picture of democratic principles and who's a picture of being Tanasha that is one point but now let me take your analogy forward adab I think that from Biden isation of Rahul now they are going towards Hiller isation or Clinton isation of Rahul and let me explain you have already explained what is Biden isation of Rahul Clinton isation of Rahul is where after achieving little bit of power rah is not calling the government illegitimate that they did even in 2019 when we had 303 seats today they are reducing the legitimacy of the voters who have voted for them as well what did they say in Parliament they said Hindus hinsak they abused the Gita they have started taking and comparing the faizabad MP to Raja aodha ramj this means that they have started considering the voters of BJP or voters of India in general as basket of deplorables so they have got down to the agenda of abusing the voters itself and therefore whether Rahul becomes a Biden isation mode he has gone into the Hillary Clinton isation mode where he is attacking the very same voters which they claim seem to have supported him to bring him to 99 and this is the worst sign I think he has become the modernday Hillary Clinton of our political conversation he calling the voters I'll get the other parties in Clinton too much credit I'll get the other parties in now with a with a very short observation from my side that I believe that in Lans uh these days all these people are behaving like political short sellers I mean the analysts the media I'm appalled you know in the sense in the sense I get a distinct sense that there's a survival Instinct has kicked in you see soale the media needs to survive so they're saying we see Modi becoming weaker we see Rahul becoming stronger and therefore they are placing their bets however for that to happen one has to have consistent performance and this is my view viewers please as you watch this program please feel free to abuse me attack me comment on me and tell me whether you agree with some of these statements that I'm making tonight Mr Mika would you have you liked your leader to be a little bit more substantial you know even sudha Muti came up with a very good suggestion for uh vaccination program sponsored by the government to combat cervical cancer this is kind of the substantial things you know the lurian media would have had so much to cheer about instead he's trying to behave like a junior sadguru by giving lessons on spirituality which are most unnecessary in Parliament and even you're laughing at that yes you guys have insulted Trump you've insulted Biden you've insulted I'm just having a good time I'm just I'm just speaking my mind I'm just speaking my mind yes Mr Mika can I have a since soale was can I just come in on what suil said yes you can Mika Mr Mika after her I'll come straight to you yeah you can briefly yes okay so so I you know you said I don't expect RG to behave like like he did and he should have shown more grace like Indira Gandhi Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi I think your memor is Playing Tricks on you senior Cien let me just remind you how gracefully indraa Gandhi allowed M realizations to happen how gracefully Gandhi fired his at a press conference don't thr the baby with the BW I'm talking about Gandhi and are talking since both of you are having a friendly dig at each other may I encourage both of you to continue this wonderful session after the program and so she's provoked you she's provoked you every day you come on my program and you patronize everyone saying my senior citizen who she hit you back I have no issues about age because if I did I would dye my hair like you okay that's that's complete below the belt and I don't do that by the way now the question is uh Mr Mika would you have liked your leader to appear a little bit more you know have a little bit of a prepared text make six or seven strong policy announcements or policy suggestions in the speech would have which would have really added some substance um now the simple thing is as an opposition as the leader of the opposition he is supposed to make a political statement okay on the on the presidential speech as per the content of the president's speech Point by point the other speakers of the opposition have tore it apart this is not about a debate competion between Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi what is it not reduce no wait a let's not reduce the Parliamentary debate to a bull fight it is not no Mr Mika may I just briefly intervene I'll take three seconds till now your party has been saying we will make it a fight between Rahul Gandhi and Narendra Modi after Rahul Gandhi's performance or the absence of it you've changed your stance saying we don't want to look at it that way that in my view reflects your growing lack of confidence in your own leader no no no number one number one AR now this is until yesterday people from BJP and who are in cohorts with them were saying oh is it let's make it Rahul versus Modi I clearly make it R versus wait no wait a minute wait a minute Shad interesting observation make you not allowing me to speak I will allow you completely sir please I'm not like so say see wait wait wait on your channel itself I told very clearly not to you to some other anchor very clearly this is not our policy to fight the election on individuals if you want to make it Rahul versus Modi please go ahead and do it that's what I challenged BJP and I stand by it even if now they want to make it Rahul versus Modi they are free to do it but that's not our politics our politics is not about Modi is not about Rahul our politics is about the people of the country our politics is about Manipur our politics is about just curious to know just curious to no no no no one minute one minute one minute one minut Mr mik if your politics is about Manipur I totally agree with you why did you walk out of the rajesha when the Prime Minister was speaking on Manipur I'll tell you why Mr Mika you are a wise man obviously not as old as I am but when you walk out of parliament when an issue of such importance is being discussed which you believe and rightly so is important you send out a very wrong signal the signal you send out is all your questions are only in order order to provoke not seeking Solutions you're trying to buy the waters and not seek a solution I I would I would soel as your co-anchor on the program you having taken over the role of main anchor I would like to participate a little bit my question is tonight if and I take over from senior citizen soil State on the program senior anchor and senior citizen soil State I follow his example as he said if you think about Manipur the suffix to that would be why do you not speak about what happened in Koch Bihar where a woman was dragged for 1 kilm naked why do you not speak about what happened in north dinajpur where a woman was flogged and beaten by a man who carries out something he calls Muslim rash tell me why is that not worth commenting on my question to you why are you quiet Vive sis why are you quiet Akash the sub mea of the rjd uh and may I just have one line before you who no that's Shad on one side and Shad Shad versus sp sp first one let him answer my question keep the focus yes VI please why do you not speak about what happened in Bal just answer m g once before why do you not speak about what happened in Bengal what whatever happened in Bengal is highly condemnable whatever happened in b not at all we can condemn it what else whatever happened in Bal what else you want me to speak wait I want you to raise slogans on it in to interrupt me please don't call me I want you to raise slogans on it to interrup me Mr S I want you to raise slogans on it don't call me govern ran away the house you have to interrupt me please don't call me from tomorrow I'm I'm sitting on in open air and debating with you let finish yes Mr continue continue Mr s continue don't don't be worked up yes yes yes yes you were talking about competence and incompetence that is what that your that was your opening statement it has been 23 days of the N Modi government or the NDA government what we have seen we have seen a terrorist attack in kashir where 10 of our devotees were shot dead we have seen a train accident we have seen a neat paper leak we we have seen bridges falling we have seen crack in the atal setu we have seen the aodha M Mand dripping from Top we have seen the a aoda airport ball falling this is corruption and this is what the Narin Modi government has done you were absolutely right we are talking about competence and incompetence and this government the government which has been formed recently is a bundle of corruption that is why the bridges the fly overs the airport the airport the airports overheads are falling because of the lack of the policies and the corruption in the Modi government because all the corrupt which Mr Modi said party to GM please don't please don't which political party is close to gmr GVK which political party is close to gmr GVK question number one quiz time VI in the open air oh please don't twist the matter you know I'm not t people know what what is happening in the country right now which which politic party minut one minute Shad one minute G first of all let me tell you one thing I deeply appreciate you're joining me from the open air one minute one minute one minute so I will I will I'll ask a follow up now having now having said that Mr everyone on Mr SAS thank you so much for that I will analyze Shi MOSI later my question to you is why are you not raising the question of sharia type courts public fling flogging parading of women naked in Bengal Bal B absolutely disgusting it is absolutely why don't you chant on itable why don't you slan sir what why didn't you walk out of parliament over it sir why don't you take on the trinal Congress sir do you want we we would have had the house do you want me to go to Bengal and shoot the people you want me to be a criminal you are provoking me to be you are provoking me to be a criminal I am only provoking you to raise the issue the people one now now I have sub of RJ on the debate Mr mea yes Mr is responding on theate you had promised me I'll come to you but this is not fair whenever I ever kept my promises one minute one minute I'm coming to you in a minute Shad wait a minute Shad I as you know I have to take all the spokesperson from one side and then come back to speak after that only one of mine let's it's all right your quality your quality not quantity is the source of your strategy and then I'll come back to you and then I'll come back today one minute one minute after after come back pan on their after after I'll come back to you please let me one versus four panel no no no I'll after sub I'll come back look in last 35 minutes we are debating on Rahul Gandhi this is an extension of what has happened in the parliament the treasury bench want to decimate the opposition Party by using jargons and dialogues and prime minister Narendra Modi was heckling the opposition by his analoges he has he he has mocked the parliament parliamentary EOS and moreover the speaker has betrayed the house while on the vote of thanks debate was going on he he assured the house that there will be a debate on NTA but he has sanitized the house and the house has been sanitized one day before what has been you know the time frame was given now coming to the fact that the Prime Minister did not expel out the vision of India he did not talk about about the wealth in inequality that has risen up in the last 9 10 years he did not talk about the farmers and the doubling of the MSP and why there is a 28% of GST on the farmers equipment he did not talk about the NIT examination and the whole debate that the opposition was wanting to have in the Parliament that has been you know that aspect of debate has been totally directed towards the one leader ask he was talkinging against Gandhi here in this program this program very sorry to tell you this program has been the extension of what has happened in the parliament you want to decimate the opposition party on the various FR you talk about West Bengal where have you ever asked our prime minister where was he hiding you know behind the curtain when the money is was going on you about what has happened today what has happened today in Bihar a young girl has been killed by the double engine government have you ever asked about what has happened day before yesterday in aabad in biar no every day this issues onow me to respond only fa one vers I get at least the amount of time to resp prime minister is silent on the farmers issue prime minister is silent on the misgovernance of this government okay uh Shad before you protest further I want to say that there's a very interesting turn of events right now and the question raised by Mr subo G subot mea of the rjd is he is saying the Prime Minister instead of taking on the Congress politically should have also spent more time on the more substantial issues whether they be neat whether they be Manipur whether there be other issues if you look at the proportion of time and he's not wrong the prime minister Begins by an elaboration but 60% of the speech is spent on politics that's the point he's making so he's also raising the question of emphasis am I understanding you correctly Mr mea on that I would like Shad to respond Shad yeah yeah you are right may I respond now will I get 45 seconds to respond because I don't want interruptions when I'm responding because I'll respond with facts please Arab since you have calculated that 60 % of the time prime minister devoted to politics can you tell me how much time out of the 100 minutes Rahul Gandhi spoke he spoke on neat and NTA totally 4 and a half minutes you know how much time they spoke on Manipur when there was a no conference motion on Manipur less than 5% they spoke on all issues under the Sun by the way in the Manipur assembly they've still not brought a no conference motion against the current chief minister of Manipur this is their seriousness about Manipur issue having said that let me tell you whatever happened in Bengal a woman has been flogged in talibani style a trinal congress MLA comes out and says this is going to happen in Muslim rra calls The Woman character lless that is whatever happened in Bengal sesh KH Shah has raped and sexually assaulted Hindu women that is whatever happened in Bengal today the sixth lynching in the last 11 days in West Bal where a 60-year-old woman has been beaten to De now now Arab I request you to keep them silent I request you to give me the time to make my point it is most should not go high is very un enough you have not taken any where you have not taken any action you have not taken any action where is that Baba right and I protest with of people once again that let him complete I got your point on hatas let him complete I'll come back to you 150 people have died children and wom have died in hatas what action have you taken this is he this is the most unfair way of treating one out of one vers one and I register my protest I said one versus one to my producer my question is my question is I'll take you on one versus one sh aerous opposition I I take your point about being unfair I protest that I have no voice to speake can you can you now can you now one minute one minute can you now VI can you hold it for a minute sh can you just wait for a minute can both of you can both of you please for a moment for a moment indge speak I did not know this is not the way can both of you indulge me for a minute no I've indulged you for the last that's for 30 seconds more 30 seconds more I'm just trying to bring tempers down VI let me tell you I feel very strongly about hatas in the previous one hour I have asked the BJP repeatedly why the name of this gentleman this Baba is not in the F so let me assure you that's a strong issue to raise and you have a right to raise it however we'll waste time let him complete once he completes I'll come back to you I haven't even been to Akash deep yes Shad yeah the problem arnab is over the last two and half three years you have debate panels and you have a situation where five people from the opposition are allowed to speak non-stop rant and when the BJP is going to clarify one after the other fact I am interrupted or I'm silenced or my Tempo is broken night after night for the last 2 and a half years very wrong of to say that I'll tell you why because when I began the program today when I started with I went to soel who wasn't exactly anti-bjp then I went to you so for the first 27 minutes of my debate I did not go to Congress SP rjd or prab so I I completely take you on on fact on that please proceed please proceed thank you Anna first of all I did not mention you I mentioned that debate panels I'm not saying that you conduct the all the debate panels in the country but I'm saying the politicians I believe in thep of BP to put out but you also you believe that NDA has more than one partner than the BJP but you don't have any NDA Partners you have Smita and soel for their good right they common citizens and they journalists then how many panelists are there from the NDA anyways let's not get into that let's go let me complete do this one minute please let him complete thank you please calm down producers listen to me here yeah one sec yeah continues now Shad continue please I'll take your name yes everyone on thank you if anybody else and let let's assume the BJP would have said whatever happened in Manipur you would have ripped me apart if I would have said whatever happened in utar Pradesh and hatas you would have ripped me apart the women of Bengal are being said that whatever happened in Bengal today A woman has been beaten up only because she called a TMC leader donkey she has been beaten to death how many news channels are picking the story up today a farmer in Telangana has committed suicide saying on video that he voted for the Congress and the Congress people grabbed his land and he has no recourse how many people have taken this up today the fact of the matter is that you have 12 lies that were dished out by Vi about which wall of aodha railway station has collapsed which roof has collapsed of of Delhi airport that room which you are talking about was the room that was built by 2008 2009 government of congress party when the gmr was given the contract that fact is not put out in the public at has a crack is that the truth at has a crack or the approach Road had a crack which was fixed within hours not get compensation do K not get MSP but those lies are allowed unfiltered and then when we count and I have one last question to ask of the IND Alliance 65 wanted to speak opposition was kicked out of that is the treatment given one minute I I need to get in Akash right now V VI one minute everyone on V briefly because I promis subot and VI and then Akash sorry I'll give you the last word sub G every in the last 20 25 days you know what has happened in India is that the student are in great pain the women of this country are in great pain every day there is a murder of a woman including Bihar and the rest part of the India if the farmers are in great pain because they have been charged 28% of the GSP on the equipments you know the senior citizens are on the great pain and the young people of which equipment is being charged 28% GST boss what is this nonsense and lies please tell me which equipment is 28% GST please tell me which equipment has 28% GST 28% of GST has been charged on the equipments of the farmers and you know tell what has been the subsidy on minutes number of question now number you psychologically Lang everything to analyze the condition of people you have not answered why paper after paper after paper need exam paper you the net exam paper paper after paper has been leaking under your and your governance why it is been leaking you are responsible and you have to answer innocent has has lost his life in Delhi Airport have you care that not fall upon innocent person who lost his life have you met his family no interesting did not go there why am of ambulance why Trauma Center did not have doctors why people were left to themselves when they were victim tell me who's the Baba of the hatas close to who was promoting him as the lord of the world who only oning as a tell me who the was sharing stage with who's shielding that Baba who is shielding that Baba Shing why the name is not in the F why the name is not in the F they are shielding the by going to for 150 days innocent innocent women and children have been crushed to death you're shielding that Baba shame on you uh Smita one last point I'll make and I want you to observe n I feel beyond the politics the messaging was Smita that the you know this uh the point that the victory is being turned into a defeat and the defeat is being turned into a victory the ecosystem wants to project things like that I think genuinely we must accept that there is an attempt to turn this verdict into slowing Modi down you know Modi 3.0 they would like him to complete his term but they want him to slow down I people people didn't see the message prime minister I'm not slowing down on corruption I'm not slowing down on foreign policy I'm not slowing down on anything I'm not slowing down on my governance Smita we miss that yes that there I agree with you that uh that the the attempt is to uh to apply speed Breakers in some way or the other and not see any policies uh coming into fruition uh in the term three of Modi government now here I think uh the this is what uh the Modi government is going to battle and battle successfully probably because uh Modi has seen this kind of an opposition in Gujarat before he knows how to handle it between him and Amit sha they have an experience of handling this so whether it how I don't think the BJP is going to flounder in terms of delivery of their programs where it is going to cause a little bit of an disruption is in the assembly elections that are going to come right at the uh uh you know behind the after the 2024 general elections that is where the BJP will be seen wanting probably or floundering if uh the if the opposition as far as policies and programs I don't think I agree with you I don't think Modi is going to slow down but viewers lastly I'll say and the way I see it is Maita mentioned the upcoming assembly elections did you notice a part where the Prime Minister said that in harana jarh and MRA elections are coming up we've done fairly when in the loks SAA elections now why has he said that it's because he's put his skin in the game ladies and gentlemen he's not even avoiding the upcoming assembly elections question which means the bjp's got some plans up its sleeve what those plans are we'll see as they unfold see you tomorrow good night and goodbye [Music] Ami has been ranked India's number one private university for the 11th year by India Today a testimony to Ami's worldclass education whilst imbibing values and Suns cards in students. paz.com get ready to witness the best technology Extravaganza of the year the first edition of the Republic 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toll in hatas has reached a number of 121 mostly women and children 121 who came out of a deep devotion and a devout belief 121 fellow citizens who probably possibly agonized were looking for answers in an individual an individual named Bo Baba who would conduct these satsung every Tuesday bolab Baba every Tuesday he would conduct these satsung in his elaborate ashram as 121 were killed in the Stampede triggered possibly by the law unto his own situation that often becomes an eventuality with self-styled godman with great political CL out and connections ladies and gentlemen where is Bab Baba today Yogi adiat has been on the ground he's personally monitoring the probe but I come with six very basic questions why is Bola Baba's mention not in the FI why is this godman's mention the spiritual guru's mention not in the F if it was his event if it was his Mass congregation then what is the purpose or the complicity of dropping his name from the firir that's the first thing the chief minister should look at number two initial findings suggest that this Baba like other so many others we have seen had some sort of private security which guard his extremely large asham and it was the untrained private security that began to push and shove the innocent devotees who were rushing trying to get dasan from the Baba if this is true then where are these private forces of the Baba today and is in the first question on everyone's mind as to on Whose instruction were these private security men shov this large crowd which ran into lacks we are told number three the Baba is now giving written statements but he is on the Run he's untraceable if he's a man of God why is he untraceable why is he running away from the law what kind of impunity can a self- styled God man have for going completely underground after being the organizer of an event in which there was no security no Protocol no emergency services no ambulance and where his own private cery was pushing and shoving the attendees can an entire police force not trace this man down or are they not trying for other compulsions number four viewers and this is the picture of that man this very Baba is also accused in other cases there are allegations of sexual assault and there is a precedent of similar similar events being held in the midst of covid so when there is solid precedent then how can we allow an open Forum to these people in the name of their being religious preachers fifth ladies and Gentlemen The Silence of the AIL and maati groups stuns me shocks me because we are told that akilesh was heaping Praise on this very Baba as recently as last year and during the mayawati ERA this gentlemen spun around in a lbti car but for once ladies and gentlemen can they just break out of the cycle of appeasement to these self-style godmen can therefore for once put Humanity first can the politicians across the board please put Humanity first ladies and gentlemen I come to you this evening with three debates ladies and gentlemen two debates in fact the first of course is the situation where you have this man on the loose and I cannot believe why the state government in utar Pradesh cannot have him arrested by now why his name is not in the F fire till now some hard questions are coming up ladies and gentlemen at 8:35 p.m. tonight why I believe the BJP if it wants to keep its vote Bank together has to throw out Ajit pawar's NCP from the mahui Coalition in Maharashtra because this man nawab males is accused of links with the underworld how can dendra fnav or the BJP top leadership in Delhi even think of allowing that at 9:00 tonight I will analyze I've looked at Narendra modi's speeches in the loksabha and the rajas Sabha today the indicators of what Narendra modi's government will be like many of you liked my analysis yesterday I'll go further into detail on that today and tell you the Modi 3.0 indicators that is at 9:00 but for now let me begin with the headlines this [Music] evening more than 120 innocent lives lost in hatas but there is no accountability whatsoever the self style godman is on the run his name has not yet been added to the F fire no arrests have been made complete failure on the part of the administration so [Music] far and the godman in hiding releases a statement now but he's nowhere to be found the godman is trying to brush his hands off with the left the venue long ago defense the godman is trying to shift the blame on antisocial elements why doesn't he come clean and take accountability first it's an ideological test yet again for the BJP in Maharashtra underworld linked naab Malik has been forly brought into the NCP by Ajit PAAD and by extension therefore into the BJP Alliance FIS is really unhappy he's writing letters but why doesn't he act will the move cast a shadow on the mahui will the BJP act or accept the ties with the da linked naab [Applause] [Applause] Malik two days to very very fiery speeches the Prime Minister has set the tempo for Modi 3.0 sling protests hooting and even walking out the cornered opposition has run out of comebacks after the prime minister's Point by Point rebuttal [Music] ladies and gentlemen first I want to begin this evening with the events in hatas where as of tonight as I said in the introduction of the program over 120 innocent lives were lost in a stampede after a satsung held by a self-styled God man called bhab Baba as authorities face mounting scrutiny over their handling of the incident questions arise over the very absence of this God man about why his name is not even in the FI can you believe it and his political links are those political links responsible for his getting away so far and if an individual is not even questioned for an incident like this then what message are we sending to Citizens across the country let's debate in a tragic incident that has shocked the nation over 120 people lost their lives in hatas utar Pradesh in a stamped while attempting to collect holy dust scattered by a so-called spiritual leader known as Bo Baba [Music] authorities are facing scrutiny over the handling of such events involving influential figures like the godman mmyy [Music] [Music] how criticism has mounted on the police over the absence of H Baba's name in the FI raising concerns about potential political affiliations and connections 121 lives have been lost why there is no F fire against bua why there is no a fire against bu Baba Mr DM you will have to answer my question you will have to answer my let me Mr DM you will have to answer my question 121 lives have been lost 121 lives have been lost why there is no F against 24 hours have been passed why there is no F why why there have been no arrests made so far but we have been seeing that there have been no arrest so far 24 24 hours have passed 24 hours has passed but there is [Music] no youm you will have to answer the question you are the you will have to answer the question you can't do it like this reports have suggested a link between B Baba and former Chief Minister akilesh yadav where he seen pervertedly a anck knowledging the spiritual leaders influence on political [Music] [Applause] [Applause] fortunes Amit these developments questions are being raised about the prioritization of cast politics over humanitarian [Music] concerns with the Baba's name missing from the FI and with akil's video now coming back to haunt him questions are being raised on whether sp's influence is shielding the absconding self-styled God man godmen cannot be allowed to escape accountability under the gar of religion the main question is is politics more important than Humanity [Music] uh uh ladies and gentlemen I'm joined by Major Ashish chatur of the samajwadi party sharat tredi of the BJP Karan Varma yaran aad former special director intelligence Bureau and former IPS very senior officer and ratnakar tripati of the congress party major Ashish tredi It is believed now there is evidence that this person surj pal who was a sub inspector and then became a spiritual leader and calls himself Bo Baba and is got his big asham in mainpuri that he's very very very very close to the India Alliance that it is generally believed that he uses his influence to gets votes for the India Alliance he is a quasi political leader from the jatav community and akiles and India Alliance are trying to get the jatav vote from uh mayawati and he therefore has your support now can you deny any of this because I saw video sh and today very interestingly Karan please notice that akiles is quiet finger on the lips we want his votes even now you see ratnakar G is quiet andash chhat is quiet otherwise after saying so many things they would have responded by now but they can't speak against him akiles has not demanded his arrest tell me major Ashish chhat has akiles demand his arrest have you called my name yet no no I'm asking maor as chat first as akiles demanded his arrest my name because I saw that EV we were very quietam why to be so much personal no nothing personal chat do you believe does samw party believe that surprising the most surprising thing which has louder please hold back in the studio that the police and the administration have not named the person in the firi so why will the police be looking for him when they have not named him in the firir so as per the administration and the police of hatas the gentleman has already been given a clean [ __ ] so that shows the intent and the action being taken the and to blame it on akilesh yadav how can is the administration and the police taking orders from Yogi adiat or akilesh yadav they're taking orders from Yogi adiat because he Happ is the reason Maj you are right to some extent sharat tredi G is the is the BJP also decided is Yogi Adi decided that we will not name him otherwise the jatav vote will go against you know I feel that when anybody does anything wrong you should have the bulldozer approach I support the bulldozer approach by now if if he had not been an influential cast Community leader you would have bulldozed his asham but about him you are refusing to have the bulldozer approach because maybe you think that if you name him there will be you know his followers will go crazy you will lose the jat of vote it will become an issue for the upcoming 2027 up elections you not named him in the fir can you believe it Mr tredi you not named him in the F why first of all my prayers are with the bereaved and with those who are injured and hopefully the the injured are not in any serious situation they are going to recover 121 people have died yes you've not named surj pal Singh in the firi the firir is lodged against the organizers not the invite so Prim what do you mean invite he is the he it is his event his event sir I show you the poster people have come in his name no no a civil and a Judicial inquiry both have been ordered additional director General Agra and commissioner aligar division are so what is there to investigate the man ran away he had a private Army his private Army pushed the people and his devotees ran apparently to collect the dust over which his car drove because it was seen to be some kind of an offering they are so superstitious his private Army pushed the people the people came for him you are not having an F against him you see these are the things are no no no why you want why don't you say okay I don't think you will lose the jata vote by arresting him we are not going to spare anybody we just spare him you decided to spare come out and we are going to act against no matter person who or 121 people die you have not named him in the FI I don't understand this what are you doing Mr tredi I let ratnakar come at this point but I'm deeply uncomfortable with this attitude you see Yogi Adat is saying Yogi Adat is saying rightly so he's saying that we all know who is responsible and the akilesh is the man who's close to him but if Yogi adiat is saying that then why is Yogi adityanath's police not naming him in the F nobody has any answers tonight 121 people die in this country and nobody's naming the FI y aad I'm flabbergasted tonight I'm my viewers are flabbergasted I'm going to open the phone lines on this I'm going to open the phone lines please open the lines yesu aad what's going on here yes adnab I'm equally surprised as you are first of all let me appreciate your introduction where you did not go by The Stereotype View and start attacking the police and District administration everyone else except the God man who has organized this I'm distressed as as as an ex cop to see that the Babas still rule the rules to this country and the politicians for their vot Banks don't do anything against them now my first point is uh this Baba whatever he's called Bo or not Bo is the man who knew very well that the the people are coming in his name the congregation has been organized every Tuesday he used to do it he knew that in this heat uh the arrangements are not proper because this has happened even before Arna that is number one when you don't have the adequate facilities and then you organize something for this and get a crowd of about two lakhs and the most important is that when his own seads are virtual goons there's another information ear by the way I hope you know that these seads don't want the police to even interfere with the arrang ments inside they don't want anyone from The District administration because inside they have their own show they have their own setup systems where people pay oisans the Chas increase more and when exactly at that point of time in that heat people wanted to go they were prevented by the seads because they said the first the babaii has to go there were some people who wanted to touch his feet and in that melee when they were being pushed back that is what led to this Stampede and people fell in the drains Beyond and therefore in this particular case Baba where he's doing programs everywhere was fully in the knowledge that when you don't have adequate precautions when you don't have adequate facilities you cannot be allowed to hold this saman all over the world whenever you call people for a private function this is not a state function this is not for a social cause then you you have to make your own Arrangements the police Arrangements have to be outside this man ran away from that spot he ran away ran away and that's why today he should be named in the F fire and I'm sure he'll be named AR very soon and he should be arrested and he should be convicted viewers viewers you will see on the picture out there on the screen keep it full frame please you will see a tweet of akiles yadav I'm not sure of the name name where he's talking about attending an event of this individual who calls himself B Baba and whose name is surj pal Singh sometimes called Naran sakar Hari or sakar vishari or Bo Baba or surj Pal Singh or is ratnakar tripati promotion yav today viewers Kar let me tell you you the India Alliance has a very convenient relationship with its fellow parties today ratnakar tripati will say please ask the samajwadi party can I run that on the screen but he sees this as well this is open promotion a political promotion a semi-political activity and the promotion of akiles by this individual so while I hold the yogi government guilty of not acting yet this explains the congress party and akiles Going Quiet on this issue completely quiet because they know their links and they know the depend on these godmen for votes ratnakar tripati when will this dependence end when will this dependence end uh first of all my heartfelt condolence to all who have lost their I mean everything and I just checked to the date it is 3rd July 2024 your introduction gave me the impression that the it seems that state is run by akilesh Yad the police is under the was by home can someone tell me the date of the what what are your comments on that tweet twet this tweet was which to if you don't want me to talk don't invite this tweet was which date in the context first complete this is this is the curtsy this is the curtsy you first let me complete so the DM is so defiant and arrogant the is sing your reporter so akes Yad isun Administration who is running this picture by the way ratnakara I checked January 202 when the when were the up elections H when were the up one minute one minute just one minute one minute when were the up elections AR I want to give the some cont when were the up elections after when were the el22 no no no when elections Dr goswami if you don't speak I will keep quiet after 2022 Arab akiles yadav has constantly been wooing this subcast that you mentioned the jat of subcast he has been constantly woing that vote bank and he has constantly been woing all those godmen who stand with them this is exactly why he's patronized this godman this Shameless godman I would say who deserted his devotees left them high and dry to die and he's escorted away and akiles yadav has not mentioned him by his name even once since yesterday not once has akiles yadov said that this man has blood on his hands is that and that shows that shows his vot bank politics nothing but vot Bank politics so driven are akiles and Rahul Gandhi by this vot Bank politics that they are ready to play politics over dead bodies this is the shamelessness that they've descended to theyve Nota let me go back to you did this man help what about the administration what about the DM what about Yogi what is he doing what is he doing have you sent him red roses so he hit the ground why don't you send red roses to questions asking for you have you have shown your mentality also is is akes Yad dictating the terms in the government Shi why don't you I think I think these people are not even aware who's running the government they are sitting on debate that they are not even aware who running the administration minute I got your point and therefore I will ask the BJP spokes yet again no no one minute Mr Mr tredi you are saying your party is saying that that akiles is supporting this person because he helps transfer a community's vote to him he may have been supporting mayawati earlier because earlier he was a mayawati supporter now he's left mayawati and has gone to samajwadi party so obviously he's an influential man in the sense that most most uh people religious leaders are but you see Mr tredi people vote for a party not for religious leaders are these is the real powers in utar Pradesh have you succumbed to cast politics are you afraid of acting against him because you will never get this vote because you will move the jatav vote more towards the samajwadi party if so take a risk arrest him otherwise I will get a feeling that he's held your state to Ransom anab I've assured you that with two inquiries in one with senior high court judge we are going to nail the guilty we are going to hang the person that the heads are going to roll this time we are not going to spare anybody we'll deal with politics later but here there let's get let's get the administration to give us the feedback why is it that why is it are you listen listen one sir sir let me you know what happens you make these promises and then on the eve of the harana elections Ram raheim goes and gets parole he's out every time before Arana election you people make the promises on television am I right yesan there's a deal they do the political parties do a deal with these guys and then you say why why do the IPS officer not listen to me am I right yaran aad Mr aad can you unmute yourself can I hear him on air Please Mr Azad is on air please thank you Mr aad on air please he's speaking thank you producers yeah Mr a can you can you hear me now I can now thank you sir you were not on him thank you sir you know uh the uh this uh this gentleman the PO Baba uh is his is actually a scandal because he's actually dividing the society with we have Rich Babas we have the for the rich Cass we have Babas for the lower cast and this is extremely unfortunate this is being accentuated by such Babas in this particular case this Baba was fully cognizant of what is going to happen because everywhere he has gone when he's drawing crowds the arrangements have never been up to the mark and that is why it was always a Stampede in Waiting in this respect I'm shocked why his name was not put in the F and why he was not arrested immediately but I am very very sure and another thing Arab the judicial inquiry does not preclude any kind of arrest because the firi is running parallel the judicial inquiry does not stop any investigation so it is about time that the police arrest this Baba because this is extremely important clear evidence you know this is not a time to joke or be sarcastic we are dealing with a serious issue I think Yogi adiat should really have the tough approach and act because people are watching him everywhere now he he can't keep waiting for the investigation to be the tough approach yes yes he's Mr bus here in the sense that the uh fi should have mentioned the God man but otherwise he's hit the road running this is a departure from what we used to happen Arab in the past where we had such instances how would you say he's hit the back then I remember in 2013 say he's hit the own running of course he ordered he's ordered a Judicial probe already he's Tri J he tried to fix responsibility Arab I remember those days Arab I remember those days in 2013 when mu nagar RS happened and weed have those saf M no no you are just using we used to have those people in in relief camps shivering and and ministers used to have a nice time in so at least this is a departure from there I'm telling you this much Kar listen I was the one who sent my investigative reporters and questioned the Sai MV in which I think Salman Khan was dancing my question is not that my question is having taken that position how can you be quiet when there's not even an F against this man ratnakar we must be fair he's not Qui ER he ordered an sit probe that is what we were asking for yesterday he's delivered on that he's ordered an you know y we all know him he will not spare anyone he will not spare any has he been even questioned he's probably sitting there in his luxurious he should be questioned he is the culprit he should be questioned is another matter a matter of we are all not going to keep should be please please let me complete without any interaction I mean intervention right you tell me one thing yog came here he categorically said he said there is a conspiracy isn't he trying to guide the probe and you just tell me Dr gwam one thing I keep my political Alliance break do we have a break under 27 people died and this person Baba which you are saying is stilling and everybody is saying should I say Modi was hobing with rist I don't believe don't turn it like that why shouldn't Yogi atna take action why hasn't he Tak give you one last chance to respond there my as the pressure builds on taking legitimate pressure builds on taking action against this self style God man because we must understand there is no separate criminal procedure code for I hear you can I get a response from uh from Mr TR categoric I do not want to politicize I can give 100 examples you have already politi in Kum 500 people died I Was Myself present there who was hanged who sitation where people have died the responsibil people have chosen you people di in K Kum so you have a right to be on the bodies of 127 people no no is not bu yet I think I will I will only conclude this by saying while while we can raise questions while we can see I'll uh Mr Mr triti the way the things stand on this case he's being protected not because he's a God man but because he's a God man who is seen to be able to influence votes B the administration is unclear what instructions are coming from lakau therefore lakau must give a clear instruction when you say we'll set up an sit the administration will not do anything till the sit completes its job the messaging is very wrong he's not even being called in for questioning the mafia underworld link notorious nawab Malik has been welcomed back into the NCP by Ajit Paar this is the Ajit Paar faction this is the faction that is with the BJP it is terrible optics for the BJP indirectly they are now working with a man who has been linked to the underworld writing a letter is not good enough Mr Dietra fnav and the BJP top leadership need to decide whether or not they need to continue with the party that is openly welcoming back leaders who are linked to the underworld who are linked to De company if the BJP accepts this even then it has no chance in the upcoming Maharashtra elections let's debate Ajit Paar has welcomed nawab Malik back into the NCP after the Divide within nationalist congress party in Maharashtra the biggest question was where will naab Malik go remember nawab Malik was in fact facing the charges of Terror connection land dealings with the D company and following which nawab Malik was in fact seen with Ajit Paar at that point in time dendra fnav had written a letter to Ajit paw and had objected his presence But ultimately NCP Ajit Paar Camp seems to be in the full support of nawab Malik at that point in time this move by Ajit power comes despite dendra FIS taking strong objection naab Malik was arrested in 2022 in a money laundering case and is currently out on bail naab Malik is also accused of having links with the underworld [Music] [Music] this Mafia likee threat issued by the NCP leader in 2020 against Republic editor and chief orob go Swami only substantiates the allegations against naab Malik the situation in Maharashtra is a final ideological test for the BJP the BJP has already drawn flag for his alliance with NCP which has been held responsible for the saffron party's loss in loksabha in Maharashtra will the BJP pass the test will it remain or break away from mahui [Music] uh viewers first question to Swagat sha and Krishna Hegde of the Shiva is with us shind faction SEMA Malik NCP power faction kishor tiwari Shiva uh udhav Sena rather is with us tonight Swagat sha uh you are trying to break away from the BJP and hence you are giving a reason I think it's a very good reason for the BJP to break away from you because this man is linked to daud Ibrahim there is a moneya laundering case against daud ibraim and it has led to the connection of naab Malik in the case you know the details do you want me to tell you all the details or have you decided it's okay let everybody yes yes no no I know all the details so he's working with you now uh arav firstly first and foremost uh I would like to tell you that uh he's uh he's a MLA is he working with you now is what I as is that I'm asking you whether he's with you now n AR of just by seeing him in one of the meeting which was not even started doesn't prove that he is was it see understand which meeting was it which which meeting was it he had some work with he had some work with AIT PA regarding PA and da link Malik are now working together Krishna can do you know what work no no no sir Krishna can you tell me what work this D Link man has with saying that no I am asking that I am asking that because I want to ask the Shiva Chief uh you know akat shind through his spokesperson whether whether akat shind is comfortable with nawab Malik being in the mahui anab let me tell you one thing that this is an internal internal matter between how is it an internal matter the man is link to but when you asking me as a mayi spokesperson let me tell you that our alliance with the BJP is emotional and bjp's Alliance is your link with theik emtional and if if if if naab Malik has now come into the picture it must be AIT arithmetic for the future months and for the future polls what future months and future polls can you elaborate but let me tell you can you elaborate future months and future polls what if you talk about ideology and no can you can you elaborate on that point can you say that AIT is ait's planning for future polls and future what is the planning in your mind no Arab let me tell you this is this is a you know earlier in the Congress comment also there was bolad Pand and dendra Pand who hijacked the Indian Airlines flight there were 60 passengers they end end endangered the passengers lives sir you are not understanding my question my question is my question is a person link D Ibrahim should be a political Untouchable in my view there are links to dud ibraim and to Hina Parker okay SEMA Malik's party may have no problems see right now sik party may be happy working with people who are linked to D but you should now Malik sik let a verdict Cas and when there's a verdict on the casik one minute SEMA Malik SEMA Malik right uh that's what I'm trying toik my question Isa Malik of the NCP sh a special court on 20th May a special court on 20th May 2022 cognizance of the Ed Char sheet against nawab Malik and said there is prima FY evidence to indicate that this man this notorious fellow naab Malik is knowingly and directly involved with moneya laundering and criminal conspiracy with alleged connections to daud and Hina Parker it says that they accused nawab Malik and members of the D company daud company daud ibraim company daud ibraim da ibraim s Malik conspired and took unauthorized possession of the above property Hina parar dud ibrahim's sister and nawab Malik entered into criminal conspiracy for this conspiracy members of the D company da company and naab Malik I repeat daud ibraim and naab Malik got together and carried out this criminal act congratulations SEMA Malik on working so closely with members linked to dud ibraim congratulations since he has now moved to the sharat Paar group is he with you or have you transferred him is he with you or have you transferred him this is a 2005 issue which you're talking about now whichever company he has been working with that time he was with the Comm party he was with the are my question is to SEMA Malik SEMA Malik SEMA Malik unmute yourself you're muted you're muted you have to take press a button unmute yourself first I don't have an audio I don't have a video can you unmute yourself please ladies and gentlemen extraordinary situation two political s Malik unmute yourself otherwise I can't hear you she's trying to unmute yourself kishor tiari so you are also now working with these D ibraim linked people would this have made balas Tak happy would this have made balas Tak happy AR no one is working have wanted his son to work with people close to D ibraim BJP has already diluted their stand they have compromised with the everything but as what was Baba chaan doing in am K rally Mr tiari what was Salim K doing with Dancing with Salim B in nasik they were all your ubt leaders don't give us G here look at your own things what has happened in the last 2 three months and Bomb Blast in every given has asked me we are still believe that naab Malik was victimized or the misuse of Ed was done against him we have a courage to say that but I'm sure you have the courage to also say that D ibraim was victimized in your view I'm sure you will even build a case for D ibraim now Shak May tomorrow them you ask me you need them ask not answering you don't don't have to say anything arami if you say if you say if you say you have been victimized by the our government then I will say no I don't care two Hoots about your government I don't I have not cared two Hoots about your government then I don't care two Hoots now are coming back am I on record you can come back do what the hell you want now listen to me to me my question is sh sh and I thought is very upset but he is okay is the BJP okay with working with nawab Malik also now I mean Ashok chaan Ajit PA and now congratulations nawab Malik we have seen the consequences of this ideological dissection in the last elections you will lose even your last BJP voter if you work with in one on record has written to a as the deputy chief minister of the state and an an alliance he has written to Ajit pavar G saying that what is your stand Vis naab Malik because this is not acceptable to us this is in the public domain K G he asked me a question just hold your horses hold your horses you can take all the different people who where you have no no courage of conviction you can take all those people who are you want to insulate we at least have an ideology and that ideology in the public domain is known to one and all because dendra FZ has WR what's the point here my question is my question is my question is CH one minute one minute dendra fap is is very unhappy swagata you are the spokesperson of the NCP Ajit PAAD BJP on record is saying we are very unhappy that you're working with this person connected to da ibraim do you even care or are you looking for an excuse sir let me clarify this no no no no sir let me clarify firstly and foremostly as you know that is a finance minister Malik had some Finance related matter can I speak sir can I speak I'm just answering to s's question let me clarify let me clarify let me clarify about the video which has been what is the video can I have a look at the video has he joined you or not this can I speak this doesn't look like a finance department meeting swagata this does not look like a finance department meeting it looks like a political meeting to me sir election Mee sir sir why is why isab Malik there in an NCP election meeting with a p sir as the finance Min Minister and working in Constitution started after naab Malik oh God oh God you are not Malik was a minister government don't tell us anything he not a minister inment he was a minister in your government was requested to think for you you are dancing with bomb accus yearsi have he was invited and he was invited to ladies and gentlemen I need to close this but I have I have something to predict and Sh andc said it very clearly and Krishna heg also did not say it but let me tell you they will be very happy if Ajit Paar goes because AIT power is now seen to be a liability to this mahati Alliance in the upcoming elections the BJP cannot accommodate both akat chind and Ajit Paar that it's they just cannot do that Ajit Paar has lost out majorly he'll try to hold some ground it's even possible he'll go back to sharat PA tomorrow ladies and gentlemen the way I see it the sooner the BJP breaks up with Ajit Paar the better otherwise their chances in the next Maharashtra elections will get affected on the other side tonight the big Modi debate we had rajas saaba speech today loksabha yesterday how do we read what's on his mind in a few minutes time for a quick breather Arab will be right back with the [Music] debate Amity has been ranked India's number one private university for the 11th year by India today testimony to Ami's worldclass education whilst imbibing values and suncard in 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marketing machine around it ladies and gentlemen and that is exactly I feel if you look at it I feel that that is exactly unfortunately what has happened to Rahul Gandhi once again and this happens to be the reality with Mr Gandhi in 2014 I remember there was a huge marketing camp aign by the Lans media which said Rahul Gandhi is going to save us Narendra Modi is becoming stronger Sonia Gandhi is becoming weaker manm moan Singh Is seen as indecisive and Rahul Gandhi is going to save our s this huge marketing campaign which followed in which I must say in which I must say the completely flexible and spineless Lan media played its part they may all deny it now but this Lan media ladies and gentlemen you know the reason I hate them they have no ideological consistency they just flow with the wind the Lans media in their tone and tonality and in their ideological inconsistency are like Autumn Leaves ladies and gentlemen they have no strength of Their Own no ideological Pursuit they dry up and they fall to the ground and that is why they're always troed on anyway this is not about my views on the Lan media so this time also viewers there are direct and indirect participants from the Lan media as far as the Rahul Gandhi campaign is concerned and this Lan media said that this time Rahul Gandhi has come of age they did programs has Rahul Gandhi come of age I mean you've got to be out of your mind completely crazy to ask a stupid question like that would you anywhere in the world ask a 55-year old man whether he has come of age it's demented reasoning now they said no but this time they got 98 ladies and gentlemen if there was a little bit of a glimmer of hope in the eyes of the opposition it dried up and evaporated when the same members of the Lan media looked at the faces of people sitting around Rahul Gandhi yesterday as he spoke they look petrified you should see the pictures ladies and gentlemen their own leader speaking first they look worried increasingly concerned petrified and if you see towards the end somewhere you could see sadness in their eyes see dupinder huda's pictures once again sitting right behind Rahul Gandhi there was a sense of sadness oh god what have we done and by going off a written script I truly believe that Rahul Gandhi should follow a written script by going off a written script it was another self goal I can only imagine you know the desperation with which people in the Lan media who said said that it doesn't matter what Rahul Gandhi said what matters is that he said something that's another joke ladies and gentlemen it is like a nursery school teacher saying it doesn't matter that the child Couldn't Write a single line or learn the alphabet at least he said something he garbled something I truly feel sorry for the Lans media more than for Rahul Gandhi because for them it is another lost opportunity ladies and gentlemen you don't have to be a Modi B to come to the conclusion that after these two speeches in the loksabha and the rajas SAA the Prime Minister has come out looking extremely strong I said in my program yesterday that it is my view and this may be seen as surprising by many that the slightly stunted Mandate of the BJP will make the Prime Minister more assertive he might in fact end up being more decisive and taking a stand on issues on which you should have been stronger in the past I said yesterday that this time in Modi 3.0 nobody will dare do a shahein bag ladies and gentlemen he's not going to be soft with the anarchist elements and there will be no Live and Let Live kind of approach as far as the corrupt are concerned that's my reading do you agree with my views on the marketing campaign of Rahul Gandhi having ended in an absolute thud of a flop tell me what you think now let's quickly slip into the debate [Applause] house [Applause] viit ATB [Music] [Applause] Barat J [Music] a 1977 radio [Music] [Music] jamu kmir [Music] PR [Music] is Shan [Music] social