foreign what's the difference between the Reformed Baptist denomination and Evangelical denomination can one be calvinist and Evangelical okay leave the question up there for just a moment so I'm going to do like what I just said so Jesus you know people would ask him a question he would decline to answer their question and then he would answer another question that he thought was actually more pertinent I'm going to do a little bit of that with you sir Ian but but not completely I want to honor your question as much as I can but I think this is what you mean okay so and maybe you don't mean this and maybe it's just just um a misconception just just something that you know just an area of ignorance so let me dispel some of that um evangelicalism is not um really a denomination so so when people say Evangelical Christians or evangelicals um what they're actually talking about is an overarching collection of multiple denominations and and what constitutes an Evangelical Christian at the individual level or an Evangelical Church speaking of local churches or an Evangelical denomination um is is does this church or individual person or denomination do they preach an Orthodox Christian Gospel so evangelicals right and and it's tough because with many words there's debates about how to define that but but in recent history in you know in general the way that the word Evangelical has been defined and understood has been any denomination multiple denominations any denomination any local church any individual person who believes that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone okay so some would maybe differ with what I'm about to say but most evangelicals would agree that um Catholic is not Evangelical Roman Catholicism so it'd be evangelicals and Catholics that's one of the things that Billy Graham did in his later years that I would reject I think this was wrong um I don't like that he did this but towards the end of his ministry he he had a big push for Catholics and evangelicals to unite now it's one thing for Catholics and evangelicals to unite on for instance the issue of the sanctity of life because we believe uh the exact same thing but it's another for evangelicals and Catholics to unite in the work of evangelism because that has to do with the gospel and Roman Catholics do not believe the same gospel that we do as Evangelical Christians they believe another gospel I love Roman Catholics I love them immensely I am grateful for a lot of what they do um but they do believe another gospel they don't believe that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone according to the scripture alone to the glory of God Alone Sola right the Latin word Sola alone that's the contention there's the rough the Council of Trent still is the current standard for Roman Catholicism this has never been undone this has never been overridden the Council of Trent anathematized that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ according to the scripture to the glory of God Alone and that is the gospel so what I'm saying is this at the Council of Trent which is still the official position of the Roman Catholic Church to this day anathematize that is it cursed said let him be accursed and what did they curse the Gospel of Jesus Christ that's a big deal I love Catholics and I am partnering in some capacities with Catholics when it comes to political cultural issues and yet no matter how cozy I might get if I ever stop saying what I'm saying in this video right now then call me out for being a hypocrite I don't want to get so cozy on some cultural issues where we can agree um that I that I stop preaching in love the truth to our Roman Catholic friends that what they believe is another gospel it's not another presentation or or a another version no it is a whole other alternative gospel it is not the gospel Okay so usually when you think of you know large Banner being Christian you know and this is just the language that people use so I'm not I'm not making an objective theological statement now okay but people you know if somebody was was an atheist historian tracking you know Christian influence throughout the world they they would use especially over the last you know 50 you know to 80 years they would say well underneath the larger Christian Banner you have Catholics and then you have you know uh evangelicals and then they might add some other categories like unitarians and again I'm not making a theological statement saying that all these people are in fact Christians but I'm just saying this is how you know historian would look at it is you've got the larger Banner of Christian and then underneath that you have like Roman Catholic Evangelical and some other things that are included that really probably should not be included as Christian but my point is on that Evangelical category um has uh within recent history it has been understood widely to include Baptist reformed Baptists like in your question sir Ian Presbyterians anglicans um lutherans multiple different denominations all evangelicals so your question is saying is there a difference between reform Baptist denomination and Evangelical denomination and and what I'm saying is evangelical is not a denomination um so so you're you're naming one particular denomination namely Reformed Baptist that falls underneath a larger category which is evangelical now the question that I I think will be helpful for you and our other listeners would be a question like this for instance is there a difference between Reformed Baptist and calvinistic Baptist within both underneath the banner of evangelicalism but two different denominations or at least two different if not official denominations two different movements or expressions of evangelicalism Reform Baptist versus calvinistic Baptist and I would say yes there is a difference between being a calvinistic Baptist and a Reformed Baptist let me give you two names so I'll first articulate the difference the distinction by by naming some guys and then I'll name some doctrines okay so in terms of some people John MacArthur would be one of your quintessential calvinistic Baptist that is not a Reformed Baptist he is a calvinistic Baptist he would hold to the Five Points of he'd hold of the five Solas right so say by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone according to the scripture alone to the glory of God alone so he'd hold to the five Solas but beyond that he would hold to the Tulip the Five Points of Calvinism the doctrines of Grace okay total depravity unconditional election limited or definite atonement irresistible Grace and the perseverance of All Saints right so John McArthur is a calvinist he is a card-carrying calvinist okay but he is not a Reformed Baptist he is a calvinistic Baptist an example of a Reformed Baptist um to name someone on on that side of the aisle would be someone like um well vodi Balcom right so I'm trying to name you know bigger guys that you would recognize oh here's another one um James White James White and myself I assume you know who I am if you're watching this video you know at least a little bit about me enough to to click on this and and to still be here watching um but so someone like votibakum somebody like James White and somebody like Joel webben We would be Reformed Baptist I'm not merely calvinistic Baptist like John MacArthur but Reformed Baptist so um there is a distinction so both under the banner of evangelicalism but two different Expressions both Evangelical both Orthodox both Christian but two different Expressions uh the difference in terms of names people John MacArthur calvinistic Baptist somebody like votibakum Reformed Baptist now the difference in terms of Doctrine here would be your differences the big quintessential difference is that a Reformed Baptist is someone who is confessional um they they hold to um one of the historic well not just one of but quintessentially the historic reformed confession of faith for Baptist namely the 1689. um John MacArthur would not hold to the 1689. he would agree with a lot of it a lot of it but he would not be able to affirm outright the entirety of the 1689 second London Baptist confession of Faith votibakum wood James white wood I would so we are Reformed Baptist and primarily the first big the biggest auctional distinction that that means and being Reformed Baptist is that we are confessionally Reformed Baptist or also historically known as particular Baptist now in that confession what are some of the isolated individual doctrines that are different than someone like MacArthur who's merely a calvinistic Baptist faithful grateful for MacArthur but merely a calvinistic Baptist why do why are you saying merely that sounds like you know a pejorative that sounds derogatory well I'm saying merely because a calvinistic Baptist believes less so that's why I'm using the the you know the adjective immediately they believe less than the confessional Baptist this is what I mean um the calvinistic Baptist would affirm less of the 1689 confession so so maybe MacArthur's right so I'm not I don't mean that in an insulting way but I'm saying he he would hold to less of the reformed confession of faith for Baptist namely the 1689. what are some of the things that MacArthur would not hold that someone who affirms the entirety of the 1689 London Baptist confession of Faith would hold MacArthur would not hold to Christian sabbatarianism the Sabbath um the Christian Sabbath whether you are Reformed Presbyterian affirming the Westminster Confession of Faith or Reformed Baptist both confessional affirming the 1689 confession of faith on both sides of the aisle if you reform Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist you would hold to the Christian Sabbath the Christian Sabbath believes that the fourth Commandment in Exodus 20 and the Ten Commandments the decalog the fourth Commandment is belonging to the moral law of God rather than ceremonial law of God particular to the old Covenant and to Israel the nation-state of Israel during the time of the old Covenant we would say no the Sabbath is not ceremonial law it is moral law and that Jesus as lord of the Sabbath does not remove the Sabbath he doesn't abrogate the Sabbath the fourth Commandment he does not remove it but rather he renewed the Sabbath from the last day of the week namely Saturday which is when the Jewish people would observe the sabbath as they were instructed by on the seventh day of the week Jesus has not removed the Sabbath but renewed the Sabbath from the last day of the week Saturday to the first day of the week Sunday by virtue of it being the day that he rose from the grave by virtue of his resurrection he renewed not removed but renewed the Sabbath from the last to the first day of the week and the Sabbath the fourth Commandment within the decalogue belongs to the moral law of God and not merely the ceremonial law there are ceremonial aspects of the Sabbath but it is a moral law meaning it is an Institute a precept that God gives not just to Jewish people but to all people in all places throughout all time so reformed Baptists are confessional one of the aspects of being confessional rather than non-confessional and merely calvinistic Baptist is the issue of the Sabbath also that gets into our views of the law it also gets into covenant theology one of the very big specific tenets of the 1689 of being Reformed Baptist versus calvinistic Baptist is it Reformed Baptist who would they affirm that the reformed confession of faith for Baptist the 1689 is that they would adhere to covenant theology and not dispensationalism John MacArthur is not a covenant Theologian he would reject covenant theology in his defense he rejects covenant theology because he wants to hold to a very strict historical grammatical literal hermeneutic and the way that he reads and interprets scripture and he would have less room for an analogical or typological or christological piece in that hermeneutic whereas reformed Presbyterians with the Westminster and Reformed Baptist with the 1689 we would affirm John MacArthur's hermeneutic we wouldn't hold to anything less than that but again we would hold to Something in addition to that we would say it needs to be a literal historical grammatical hermeneutic and typological analogical and so in that hermeneutic in the way that we read scripture we would see more continuity between the old and the New Testament than John MacArthur or dispensationalists would see and again as a disclaimer doing you know not straw Manning but iron Manning Dr MacArthur he would be self-described as not a hard line dispensationalist as some but a leaky dispensationalist so what's the big difference between reform Baptist versus calvinistic Baptist well the overarching difference is the confession of Faith within the confession of Faith what are some of the specific tenets the Sabbath covenant theology versus dispensationalism things like that and then within covenant theology most as far as I'm aware pretty much all Covenant guys rather than dispensational are either all Mill or post Mill in their eschatology whereas again most if not all dispensationalists are pre-mil and their eschatology so the eschatology piece would be another difference that that we would have between a calvinistic Baptist and a Reformed Baptist so those are some of the things some of the differences between a calvinistic Baptist and reform Baptist but both underneath the larger Banner of evangelicalism Evangelical not being a denomination but rather the large overarching Banner to describe uh simply gospel-believing Christians in multiple denominations that would fall underneath that header wait wait wait wait wait wait hold it big announcement a scary announcement a threat but also a promise the price of our conference the post-millennial and theonomy Conference it's going up it's 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