Armchair MBA Live Edition with Derek Galanis

foreign [Music] here with a very special LIVE edition of the armchair MBA today I have a very special guest somebody that I've been following I've been watching shout out to Adrian invest in yourself clothing that's what I first saw Derek and then I've been following him on Instagram since and been found copiously invited him on the show Derek is uh an author he wrote a book it's called greed and fear the galantis crime family he's an MMA fighter he wrote another book about MMA he was a former Gambino associate an operative Ward is Gambino which we'll get into the real Gambino is the Cherry Hill Gambino's and then on top of it um got involved with white collar crime and some crazy stuff Derek glanis welcome to the armchair MBA how you doing today buddy good job how are you it's my pleasure so we're gonna Jump Right In give us about you know where you grow up and uh then kind of lead into your father because his father again there's a lot to unpack here it was basically the original birdie made of so give us kind of where you grew up and like what it was like to grow up with your father yeah well I mean for those who know my background they're kind of smile like grew up right right next to New York in Greenwich Connecticut and you know for those of you who are aren't you know from Back East the tri-state area Greenwich is like the Beverly Hills of uh of the East Coast um so yeah I mean I was definitely silver spoon and mouth up until I was 14 years of age and why was that because my father was the Bernie Madoff of the 80s you know today even at his most recent trial prosecutors called him uh one of the top 10 white-collar criminals of all time and he caught a RICO indictment because Giuliani was in the office and he was using that Rico on not just the mob but anybody he could I gave my dad 27 years um and we migrated to California if my dad had some time to do um so yeah that that's my original background so you're you're so a lot of what's interesting you know this a lot of people that commit these financials like crimes like it made off like your father Etc they're not like Street people they're telling you people they do well for themselves for some reason they think they can cut corners or do stuff uh to get wealthier give me it's kind of like how your father was before the scam like was he wealthy guy like was he you know just give us a little background then why do you think he did it yeah you know listen so you know when you're on Wall Street the only thing is greed and fear and that's why I you know name my book read in fear you know uh you know how much money do you want and what are you willing to do to get it you know how afraid are you to break the law I would get my father that my father basically had no fear um you know he didn't care money was the Prime object for him and the most amount of money possible um so you know in fact Giuliani said something that was very funny around his 86 Charlie said uh John galanis is a career White Collar criminal because my father had his first bid back in the late 1960s um and you know at that time you know and we learn a lot about people in society as time goes on I think people thought you know white-collar people who got in trouble were so intelligent and sophisticated they would just stop and that was before an appreciation of the fact that you know greed afflicts us all and guess what some people never lose their greed in lessons like prison don't take um you know I think Bernie madoff's a prime example you know we put him in what a total position of power he was I think he was the head of NASDAQ at one time compliance or something crazy yeah yeah and you know and and so in that sense they treated Madoff like a dirty cop you know as 30 cops might get a lot of time because they're like you've you've defiled the institution that's what Madoff did now up until Madoff I think my father was probably the biggest defiler he knew all the secrets and he wasn't afraid to keep on doing them over and over and over again um and it's just you know I what can I tell you I guess his greed was way higher than his fear interesting Derek did you know uh Janet Stan steinmeier from Connecticut by chance no I mean so he saw things uh I think all your listeners should know is like remember I moved away from Connecticut at 14 years old um so you know my contacts with people whether I met her or knew her back then I might have but you know I've lived Six Lives since then I've done two prison bids you know I grew up effectively in Southern California um so you know I'm so removed from all of that if I did know her I wouldn't even remember got it okay so here's Essence a good kid you grow up in in Greenwich you know your father gets jammed up obviously and you know this back then the sentences were very light for him to get 27 years obviously was a big deal commit some fraud uh you know Giuliani Mason example out of him you move out to the you know West Coast give us how you acclimated and then kind of like how you started your life regular life and how did you get into crime well I think the most important thing that people need to realize and this this is very common for anyone who gets busted you know and I know when the feds come in look if you've lived a life of privilege if you were a drug dealers kid or a white collar guys kid or anybody else that life ends right and so we didn't have any money you know um we essentially went to we were in private schools still but it was on financial aid which is a real embarrassment for our family with how they had acted um and you know so I had nothing and uh by the time I turned 18 I hit the streets you know I said okay I gotta I gotta do something to make money my brother went my father's way but everything in me said my father was not the way I wanted to go let me make my own way um and I found out how ugly those streets were and after about three years I veered back into my my father's orbit little did I know the streets probably would have been less time in prison than my father that's crazy so so Derek so you know as kids we're not able to think globally right so if you're you know 12 year old 13 year old daddy goes to jail oh my God kind of a big deal right it was a big deal but then like you moved to California and you know what you don't get you know hey remember we used to eat out every night you can't you know you had to make life adjustments but you were a kid you kind of didn't understand how did your mother and how did your family kind of say to you like we're screwed here and like you know you're gonna get a little less than you did and how did you transition with that well you know listen it was never very difficult for me because money was not the top of my you know uh list unfortunately for my mother and my older brother it certainly was got it um and I so I think the the volatility in the house between those two with the new circumstances was very difficult I was always Sort Of The Peacemaker I was the guy who took the rap for anything in the family and and I I continued that into my adulthood um there was a lot of violence in my home which I think uh you know was I don't know what to say about that there's a there's a lot of violence in a lot of criminal zones um you know and uh you know my father didn't she fit to rear uh rear it in he let it go because he was so angry at my mother angry at my you know his circumstances but the truth is my father had no one to blame for his circumstances but himself um and I just think that some people are wired that way you know especially sociopaths they're only interested of what's going on for them you know um and my father was was definitely a sociopath so you know for me the transition was probably easier than for them but at the same time I had to deal with their Rocky transition and that was not easy yeah now we're not going to give it away what happened with you and your brother and father later on but just we're building up to your teens in your teens were your clothes your father wasn't around right were you getting were you close to your brother at least early on no I mean my brother Jason uh he's a sociopath in the mold of my father um and he eventually used that in the same way my father did like in financial crimes and you know my father was not a handsome man he looks a lot like me my older brother looks like a fashion model um and that obviously is very helpful in many areas of life um we'll get into that later when we talk about some other things but yeah um when my brother was young he was very hard on me and you know you mentioned my martial arts background on the roll and I find that many people who are lifetime martial artists there was a lot of violence in their home I mean my brother pummeled me you know with no remorse um and you know I probably could have taken him by the time I was you know 13 or 14 but some something in my head said this is my brother you know I can't hurt my brother or little did I know you know when I finally beat him up I was 19 years old he never touched me again I I wish I had done it when I was younger so I'm Gonna Roll right into it and um I was saying earlier Derek and I were chatting um anybody watch the show anybody who knows me I know a fair amount about organized crime and history one of my blind spots has been and always has and continues to be La so you meet the gambinos which is like kind of like you know you met you know the administration level type people give us Yahoo me first and how did that happen sure so my father was in the LA prison terminal Island yeah um and uh this is after bouncing around he was in Arizona for a while he was in Northern California for a little while and then he finally landed at TI which back then was a medium prison okay um and who was at that Medium prison with him Rosario Gambino um and Rosario also happened to have we had two daughters too but he had two sons who were very very close in age to my brother and me I think they were a little younger than us but the space between them was basically the same Dynamic um and by the way on that note the older son of Rosario's Tommy was very much like Jason in that Tommy was incredibly handsome he was short like Rosario but you know for a wise guy very Charming was that was that the one who tried to use Clinton's a half brother or stepbrother to get him pardoned you bet it was you bet it was and you know listen so I you know my father we're going back and forward in years but you know my father eventually went on the run and we met with Tommy Gambino in Southern California and Tommy relayed to us a whole meeting between him Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton in a Washington parking garage um And discussing you know getting Rosario parole that was the discussion now you know listen the feds know this because they were listening to us on wires app at the time because I had a drug case coming up um they buried that just like they buried the future Hunter stuff um they don't they don't want to deal with it they don't want to touch it Jesus that the the more the more the more I put my hand in the more dirt I see you know in a swamp so okay so first let's start off with you know tell me about Rosario you know short kind of meager in shape a meager Sicilian gentleman if you saw him on the street or a pizzeria you probably wouldn't give him a Second Glance but was arguably one of the most important traffickers uh uh in the 80s maybe 90s and probably one of the most important mafioso in Gambino history so tell us about Azaria before we get into the sun well I mean the first thing I should say is you know I idolized Rosario um to me he was always Mr Gambino um he did look like a bodybuilder you know I've been in their apartment yeah yeah he I mean that's what prison does to you right I mean according to Tommy Rosario didn't work out on the streets I I don't know if that's true or not I mean partly that might be because Tommy didn't want to work out um but Rosario sounded like you know from a king did from Greenwich Rosario sounded like Mario and Mario Brothers yeah that's very very thick Italian accent but he was always very gentlemanly um you know and and very clearly what Rosario was doing in terminal Island was hooking up his progeny Tony and Tommy with all the fellows who might help them learn how to make money in the world I mean certainly my father was one of those nice now so that's Rosario we'll get to timing a little bit so you're you know you're 18 you're in the street you're in La I know it's different than New York L.A is a different composition but were you introduced to the you know La organized crime scene through Rosario and Tommy or did you kind of find it on your own and then kind of it like merge later on so okay so let me qualify first of all so my my brother moved to LA uh my family and me were in San Diego so the next is the gambinos were always in La themselves um both of the street stuff I did in San Diego was totally and completely apart to anything to do with the gambino had nothing to do with them um when I when I met them I had come back into my father's fold and my father desperately you know was courting the gambinos and I think part of that is this look he knew who they were just like you know who they are uh it seems strange that the rest of the world doesn't know that family and how powerful indeed they are um but my father knew look there's money to be made here meaning you know in his day you're talking in the 80s and 70s or Gambino could go into a restaurant and say hey by the way your vending machines and phones we're putting them in from now on that's the way it's going to be correct you know and by the way that's the business Tommy was in when when I met him he was in the phone of the pay phone installation business now the irony of course of that is cell phones were just coming out you know it was a 90s right Tommy had chosen the absolutely wrong business but it didn't matter you know he edged along and he kept going well one story and maybe I'm jumping a habit I think I got to tell this story because it's funny you know I was a professional fighter back then but I was a kickboxer because MMA wasn't very big fights in Vegas with Tommy um I think we saw De La Hoya fight because one of the goosen's Gophers was in prison with Rosario my father and got us tickets but um you know Tommy used to always make fun of the fighters like yeah he's just a boxer who is he and I brought to my father and Rosario and Tommy we had to sit down at Terminal Island I said look the UFC is going to be huge you know if we if we move on this thing right now we can be richer than we ever dreamed and my father continued to tell me how stupid I was and I couldn't see it and I didn't know what I was doing and needless to say we didn't get into that and now and the irony and the irony is it was purchased by the fertitti brothers who another prominent family who's related to the messeos and the macheos from Galveston so it's kind of funny that the Gambino's could have picked it up but the Galveston guys picked that up so okay so so and there wasn't um there wasn't much you know you were a street guy in San Diego there wasn't much going on in San Diego as far as LCN correct I think it was no I mean listen the LA crime family like when I met the gambinos I started to get to know the hierarchy like Pete Milano was in terminal Island for a time with them and Milana was the boss of La for decades and decades yeah um and you know Rosario had his sons made under the LA crime family I didn't know that I didn't know that oh yeah I mean listen so yeah look in in a really kind of way our fathers both knew something like our time in New York was done and what Rosario knew was if I leave my family back here Tommy and Tony especially Tony was who was more of a wild kind of guy or you're going to get into some stupid stupid Street stuff so he moves him to L.A to remove them from any of that influence any of that stuff where they can be dragged in and in doing so you'll integrate some with the LA crime family that Pete's in gets them made Tommy becomes Pete's underboss and it was a way to keep his Traditions going but keep his family safe at the same time interesting so I heard two things I heard there is an LA crime family you know still probably 10 guys or whatever's left and they were the former Dragon of family they were represented by Chicago or whatever at one point one to Chicago and then nowadays are basically a satellite crew of the gambinos so I heard that their own family or a satellite crew of the New York gambinos which do you think is closer to the truth well so it's funny you know people say that and and so it it takes on a double meaning here and let's bring this up so we know know that John who's Rosario's brother was on the ruling Council of the gambinos in New York right right we also know that Frank Cali married into the injurilos and I know I I've talked to some of Frank's kids on Tick Tock following me and they've they've talked about John being there I think the word is nanu in in Italian right grandfather so you know by Blood the Sicilians through Frank Cali who was you know their American proxy if you will took over the gambinos there correct Tommy being Peach underboss out there they took over La so you could say the Sicilians sort of had control of that now listen Tommy bounced around with that guy Donnie I forget his last name who was it Columbo um yes yes yes he was a big shot right dating I think uh Hurley Elizabeth Hurley I think yeah yeah I know you're talking about Sean tell your story guys it's pretty funny so Tony and I are partying and Ella Tony decides you guys he was okay so we're coming out of one of the clubs Roxbury or whatever it was I can't even remember and Tony sideswipes this car and then he decides he's going to make a go for it and run away right so he peels out and they start following us and Tony goes Derek we got to beat up these guys I'm like all right well whatever children you're gonna do I'm gonna back your play Tony pulls over we both jump out of the car uh the girls in the car get out but Tony but the guys don't right they don't want any problems then the girl suddenly realizes who Tony is because of how he's talking and and what he says to them and and she goes oh my God are you guys with Donnie and Tony says yeah Donny's my uncle or whatever he says so then the cops pull up if they want to know what happened and the cops take both their IDs they see Gambino's ID I can tell you this we were both drunk as skunks they let us go no questions asked go ahead sorry we stopped you sorry bothered you and you don't listen when that happens what's happening is there's bigger cases the feds are saying to the street cops by computer obviously do not mess with these guys we're about to let them fall into their own trap you don't touch them and so it was the funniest thing I'd ever seen in my life but yeah they let us go and then the next day with Tommy and Tony like me and Tony were in trouble we had to sit down with those girls and with Donnie and Tommy and you know they berated us made us look like idiots and then then Donny and Tommy went away with the two girls wow that's it yeah there you go there you go all right so now you're in La you're kind of hanging out the gambi the gambino guys um how is Tommy Gambino yeah how can you describe them so you know uh like I said he's very charming and he's very very good looking right um but you know whenever I try to to make it on a man level with him like you know talk like you would with your friends if you will he shut that down very quickly yeah um it's just I think Tommy is very uptight now Tony's the absolutely opposite personality you know Tony and I we we we were very close and very similar in our roles for our family muscle if you will so you know we got along really well but Tommy was a hard personality but I imagine just like my brother man you know my brother unless you break through his skin very difficult to talk to yeah now um Tommy I think I think if you're causing Usher depending which family depending which area I think obviously there's something else standing in LA but my understanding they're like 80 legitimate you know what I mean like they're kind of in the fabric of society they have a little bit of muscle a little bit of power kind of doing some sketchy [ __ ] but they kind of made their money so they don't want to [ __ ] it up right how did Tommy make yeah how did Tommy go ahead Derek yeah no so listen uh my what my book is about is about the new form of organized crime and I'll tell you something Rosario said to my father um in terminal Island he said Johnny there's no way that you're gonna convince kid to become a soldier when he can open a pizza parlor now and make 300 Grand a year you know what how are you gonna get that back when Rosario was dealing smack you know money like that was not easy to come by right it was very easy to get soldiers because there was need um now you know people want to say like well who's in the LA crime family I got news for you it only needs one member Tommy Gambino the boss yeah so soldiers in modern organized crime soldiers look if you have a traditional family like back in New York they're all rats who need the example is that I'm not going to be on tomorrow with you look he rolled I mean I don't know the guy personally and by the way I'm not saying he is he is evil for Rolling I personally chose not to that's a personal choice um but you know modern organized crime any Soldier is just someone who wants to get rich so they use people as they need to now listen we all know Tommy's in the wine business have you also noticed that Michael Francis is suddenly in the wine business you know they're both in La together and let me show you that yeah right so it didn't take me long to figure it out by the way you know Michael Francis was Rosario selly when he was in TI really oh yeah oh yeah and you know P Milano is still there and you know Michael's got a story talks about where a black kid punched him in the back of the head but the black kid thought he was someone else supposedly yo Milano went crazy we can't let them do this to us here and you know Michael being a very calm guy I said no look Pete it was an accident case of mistake identity leave it alone but listen I am sure Michael Francis is in the wine business because Tommy told him to get in the wine business now when we talk about organized crime yeah we can say they're legit that's what they would say but let me say something else I guarantee you those wine businesses aren't making any money what they are doing is they're using their star power and their Mafia connections to raise money for what our legitimate fronts but they're never going to make any money with that and it's like a lot we got lost leaders say a lost leader or in terms of connections to make money meaning all of a sudden they have they're in every wine table in Sicily or there you know what I mean so it's either they they lose money on it to make money other ways they they how's that happen though I know Tommy said he wants them to people to say I want to order a Gambino like making a name thing but has that really happened I mean have you ever tried Gambino wine I haven't not just that I I'm a little bit of a wine guy I never had it but I understand that like just kind of doing a Prosecco which is like a niche of a niche like you need like six like like skus to even get in the game you need a Cabernet you need a a a rose maybe nowadays you need a you know what I mean uh I don't know caviar Sauvignon and they just have a Prosecco so yeah I kind of find that oddly interesting and uh I'm happy that um you know so Tom I you look Rosario coached his kids very young like I remember we were going out to see Benny Binion the grandson of the gangster yeah right so me and Tony are on our way you know Tony wasn't sophisticated like Tommy was he always had some hustle and he goes you know what I'm gonna do Derek I'm gonna I'm gonna pitch him my coffee company I'm like oh really Tony what's your coffee company's name he goes g coffee then we get a little a little further down the road and he goes it's actually named Cafe Imports so so Tony's inventing this coffee company because he knows that like if he gets a contract yeah you know and by the way so that's and then by the way they say they're legitimate okay I get it you know but it's it's really like my father it's underground financier type you know uh yeah type type crimes now what about um what about the Gambino's themselves when they were here in New Jersey um they were obviously very wealthy men very wealthy immigrants but they didn't necessarily flaunt their wealth they lived in a neighborhood that was kind of like annexed off a little bit with a no nice house there's nothing crazy they had you know Valentino's nightclub they had a supper club uh 18th Avenue I think it was Cafe giardino but like they weren't really like they weren't really flexing too much how do they live in LA as far as you saw no very very undercover I'll tell you this and this has something to do with like the Sicilian clannish thing look the whole family lived in one house uh at one apartment I should say on Wilshire Boulevard and you know I would have never seen that you know Tommy wouldn't have brought me up brought me up there just like Jason wouldn't have brought someone around where we lived um you know showing weakness about you know what was going on um look they were on Wilshire which is a very expensive area the apartment was big enough to house all of them and that was two daughters at the time a mother and two sons so were they living high on the hog no oh but they were in the best best area best area codes they were um you know wearing the best clothing and whatnot um so yeah and they were hustling they were learning how to make money and you know one of the guys she learned from was my father I mean one of the things I outlined in the book so I get busted and go away for the Ecstasy lab my brother and Tommy Gambino together Tommy acting as a Salesforce my brother acting as investment banker team uh floated Penthouse International that was the last legs of Bob guccione's Empire you know you think about the timing around 2000 2001 right internet decimated print porn so good Joni's on his last legs Jason convinces him hey I've got a shell for you that's everybody knows that's the biggest scam on Wall Street right a reverse merger into a shell and you know we'll do this we'll do that well nobody ends up doing anything you know they're all pump and dumps for the benefit of of uh you know the guys pulling off the scam now in this case it was Tommy Gambino and my brother Jason Tommy had New York brokerage houses working for him so they sold off Penthouse and my brother convinced guccione to do it and my brother took care of the fake accounting to make Penthouse look palatable to investors so yeah I mean and by the way that was another case never charged my brother got a borrow from the SEC but there was no time given to anyone interesting so okay so let's get to the nuts and bolts I put a link to your book for those watching on the pre-record and even when you're watching now I'm gonna have a link in the description to get Derek's book I have it I have it ordered I'm waiting for my copy I was excited to have them on I'll probably have them on again when I probably have a lot of questions so your old man was doing his thing come in the financial fraud then it was kind of hanging out with a lot of these Wise Guys did he do business with these guys when he got out or did he kind of you know or he just kind of hung around with them your father okay so remember one thing about you know my father's a child of the set 70s and 80s right in the 60s too so back then you know if you were a big time fraud guy like my father you're gonna pay somebody right so who was my father paying okay my father's scam was called Boardwalk Marketplace which kind of makes me smile because I remember that yeah can you go to that can you go finish your answer and then go into that scam because that's [ __ ] insane what he did yeah no I I think it's great because you know my people might not have known what what we meant but today everybody's probably seen Boardwalk Empire with Nucky Thompson um and you know in Boardwalk Empire you see Atlantic City and it's Heyday right when there was cotton candy and Ferris wheels and people walked on the boardwalk well I don't need to tell you that you know when you went to the Atlantic City in the 70s and 80s it was the worst ghetto I mean worse than inner city New York um you know and look that that was my father's dream of Boardwalk Marketplace it was look we're gonna make it like the times of Nucky Thompson we're going to bring families back we're going to make it a Las Vegas on the East Coast but the financial mechanism is what really did it if you think about the timing right in the 80s or early 80s uh we had just gone through stagflation right so what did Reagan do Reagan made four to one tax shelters what does that mean means you convince rich people to come off their money by saying don't worry if you lose your money you're going to get four times that in tax savings you know it creates velocity of money and hopefully gets the economy running again um you know because we had a stagnant economy with high inflation which hadn't been seen before on and by the way the the principal idea behind that is not wrong the problem is if you've got guys like my father it gives them a license to steal right they go around to a bunch of Rich guys and they say got a deal you can't you can't lose on you invest under a thousand dollars with me but better than that you don't even have to invest it I'm gonna borrow it from the bank I have all you have to do is be a credit signer on this so sign your name Mr millionaire and then you'll get four to one tax savings if we lose but I think we're gonna make you I don't know five million dollars or whatever so everybody says well I don't put up any money this sounds like the greatest thing so he signed up my dad raised 400 million dollars that way to renovate uh the boardwalk in in Atlantic City now I'm needless to say that money was going into our lifestyle it was not going into Ford watch in Atlantic City but who controlled Atlantic City in those days you you know you're a mob guy it was Philly Philly was right by them so my dad was paying the Philadelphia crime family um for that deal millions and millions of dollars and by the way for Street guys that was big money for filling exactly even back then oh yeah so um yeah that's where that's where my dad I think got his first real taste of the mafia off of Wall Street um you get big enough they're gonna come knocking on your door I mean there were I remember some incidents and Greenwich like there was a guy I was too young and they told me I didn't understand it there was a black guy that was chasing our house and the cops you know got him they pulled him over and said what are you doing the guy had a long string for Orson well that was Philadelphia saying hey John and you know I didn't understand as a little kid I thought people win houses on fire because they wanted him through the fire sure I didn't I didn't understand what was going on yikes all right so before we graduate from the next day one last question actually two questions but the first one is um that actually seemed like a legitimate plausible message and a legitimate project was this something your father intended to do but just mismanaged it or that was just never gonna happen well let's let's be honest okay so my father's grease over the top but all of these deals of these underground Finance here sounds great Prosecco wine order me a Gambino sounds legitimate right well I could see that all these things and by the way the more real and amazing it looks the bigger the fraud is you know people put more and more money into it and listen guys rich guys love Wise Guys you know how Tommy raised that money for that wine company I mean I don't know but I don't need to know some rich guy who sees this young girl getting Wise Guys with the gambinos give them money yeah I I I see that I see that where people think it's cool to even nowadays in wealthier neighborhoods kind of think it's cool to hang out the wise guy okay so your father gets jammed up he goes away does gets involved with everything right and then he goes away you are growing up now when did you first start getting into were you a street guy got into white color crime or did you you know slow down the street stuff get in the white collar and then want to know how you kind of got jammed up in your case so I I would kid because we had no money right and and there was nothing going on and it was really ugly in my house and I was selling drugs and really partying and living that kind of life um but I really saw how ugly the street was because you look the street is uh you know Wall Street at least has veneers in front of it right even though it's as scummy as the street is um yeah I uh I ran back to my family after I realized how tough the streets were what it recognizes I was you know going from the the frying pan Into the Fire you know um and you know look so I was working in one of my father's Financial scams and he sent a guy home from terminal island named Dennis Alba now Alba wasn't a mob guy but he was Italian he knew Rosario he knew Milano knew all those guys in terminal island with him yeah Alba was a drug dealer you know and Alba thought like okay I can get out of this and get into John scams what I think Apple realized when when John finally sold off the scam he was involved in Alba got virtually no money um not that album wasn't dabbling in drugs from the moment he got home he was he was having ecstasy made in China and sent back home well you know I was a kid in my 20s you know so Alba comes to me with some boats of X that says Derek can you sell these well I thought it was the coolest thing in the world you know I'm hanging out with the gambinos I got ecstasy so I started selling x super album you know I thought it was Al Capone the True Blood I was an idiot kid but it didn't really matter what the truth was that's what I started doing um it eventually my father got out of jail um and he had State time to do so he was sent to New York the family moved me back there um to give a house for him to come you know parole to and he got out and went to Bruno's restaurant another mob hang out in New York um and Bruno's Albanian the Kosovo war was going on he said look John I know Derek needs something to do let's send him over there and start an insurance company and that was you know right up my dad's alley and so I took off from the drugs and went over to Kosovo and lived there for two and a half years holy cow okay Brandon but okay so now I said I got a customer you do your thing you have your insurance company then you come back right and then you know obviously we're gonna we're gonna push the book but don't give too much away but then what happened next time because that's what I'm saying I want to get how you like you got into this the white collar scam how did that happen was it intentional was it you know did you do it and think like I'm not gonna get caught I'll get out or was it just going honestly and then you kind of you know mired over to the left and to the right you know what happened there in terms of you're getting jammed up so this is the beauty about the crimes the new form of organized crime and I'll talk about it in regards to Kosovo you're like I went to Kosovo because I was a young crazy kid you know it satisfied all my street urges where at the same time I thought I was involved in something legitimate well halfway through I recognized this is another one of my father's scams you know and by the way our Albanian Partners also realized that um meanwhile ibtr which is another pump and dump my brother and father were involved in they used me as a signature but I was going on in New York so you know they they kind of put you know Derek away in Kosovo let him go fight the war and you know we'll we'll uh pump and dump here the pump and dump goes bad my dad sure he's gonna go to jail Forbes puts a new article out called the long arm of John galanas by the way they're totally right about everything in the article um and uh my father decides he's got to take off and go on the run so my father is on the Run living race which is right below Kosovo I'm going down there shoveling money he's going over and seeing the gambinos in Sicily Tony's over there courting some girl that he eventually married and he actually sent Tony to Kosovo to see me you know I'll never forget you know Tony says to me look hey Derek I want to open an ice cream bar you know in Sicily we could do this and I looked at him and you know my mind was just fried then for my so in your Gambino asking me for money was so I looked and I was I'm not giving you a dime and I sent him back to Sicily and I know my father sent him there because he thought that I would come off the money for him but I was living around a bunch of dangerous albanians 24 7. you know Gambino asking me for money wasn't gonna happen um in any event eventually the insurance business implodes on itself my father made so many enemies with our Albanian partners and everything else it explodes I returned to San Diego and unfortunately I return right into a DEA drug investigation that's going on surrounding Dennis Alba's ecstasy lab unreal so your first pitch was for the Ecstasy yeah my first pictures from yes and here's the thing I mean you gotta appreciate like so they know time by the way I so I'm in San Diego for a little while yeah and then I go with my brother back to New York we're searching some other like uh stock pump and dump deal or whatever there and we meet Tommy and I believe it was the Soho area of New York and uh I hit him up because Dennis asked me do I say Tommy uh you'll listen you know Dennis got that lab going um if we can get you know channels back here for distribution we can make a lot of money and Tommy looks at me and he smiles he goes I look around for you Derek and so I I take that as a you know positive side I run out of the bar call Alba I go hey Dennis I go Dennis I got financing for both things and we were in some porn thing and and the Ecstasy lab and the da was listening the whole time so when we all got swooped up their entire Focus was on Gambino because you know they're Mafia royalty I mean the Gambino family and the public doesn't seem to realize it they think of the gambino crime family the gambino took over the gambino crime family I mean they went from sizzling and they were in charge of it I mean Frank Kelly married into it John was on the commission I mean they are the gambinos literally um but yeah so so they leaned on me hard I mean fortunately for me they were constrained statutorily to 20 years because it was my first offense and your first offense because ecstasy wasn't Coke and it wasn't speeding and mandatory minimums have become so unpopular there was no mandatory minimum and because because it was a new drug I was constrained to 20 years of my first offense but believe me they tried to give me 20. wow and then okay so we do hear respectfully and it's not beating anybody up but there were guys that did we that were in your shoes that flipped right and you can argue you weren't a made guy you weren't like a hardcore associate you were friends with these guys you like these guys but like you could have you could have took with sack and moved on and not do a day what made you stand up for I mean obviously you did but what made you stand up Derek no you know listen so uh first of all internal things are the only thing that do that you know our own wherewithal and how we see the world from my perspective I was raised with the gambino kids I was raised as my Father's son you know my father taught me about rats being scum from the time I was a little kid rats are scum my uncle was a rat on my father rats are scum everything in me said rats are scum so I you know I that was my perspective and by the way my father also taught me the government does illegal things the government scumbags and by the way they did plenty of illegal things they they invaded my mother's house while I was sitting in MCC San Diego to try to make me think it was the gambinos to try to finally equipment you know and and by the way they you know they don't they not they never get in trouble for those things let's let's imagine that a street cop found the DEA in my mom's home doing that they would simply say ah yeah we're investigating and then maybe I would have gotten a sentence beat down to like five years or something like nothing ever happens to them there's no repercussions yeah and so it seemed all the lessons my father taught me about how corrupt and scummy the government is or absolutely legitimate so you know it just it just made me dig in more and more like yeah these these guys I I hate them and you know listen I didn't I'd have done life you could have put me to death I wouldn't have told on Tommy I wouldn't have told them my brother I wouldn't have told them my father and they all knew about the drugs and they were all involved at varying degrees you know um but you know listen it was my honor my pride the way I was raised now listen I will tell you this I learned a valuable lesson there that I was the Patsy now I was the fool in their minds I mean none of those guys reached out to help me after that I mean I got out and they ripped me off again but that that's all right I don't wanna I don't want to Glow us over that because they're looking at your old interviews or old in your other interviews because we're all new but your other interviews you stood up you know ten toes a ten toes down and you um did your time you come out so you're like hey you know I I care about you a lot I didn't roll I stood up I lost 10 years of income maybe starting a family being away from my family whatever that is and you came out walk us through that a little bit because I was really surprised to hear that sure so you know like my delusion and I of course I outlined this in the book how could I not my delusion was no I I had been you know my stature in the family was just raised like now everybody sees this Derek the man of Honor you know it's like Rosario Derek will take one on the chin you can't break Derek and by the way the prosecutors got that message because you know 20 years later when I caught another case the prosecutor in San Diego Todd Robinson told the prosecutor Brian blaze in New York he goes you're never going to break or go on us you can try but you're never gonna do it do they make Mafia guys look like you know that's that great blood hey and yes stubbornness and you know like for me I got out and I'm thinking okay you know they're going to respect me more and we'll get things done but I was the same guy and you know we we committed another scam you know we pumped and dumped drove a financial like my brother threw us back had gotten uh control over effectively what was a shell on the New York Stock Exchange now forget the fact that the money went back to the investors didn't matter if you have a shell an empty shell on New York Stock Exchange you got something that could be monetized pretty hard and yeah and that's what he did he put in a bunch of bogus insurance companies from the Bahamas or Bermuda or whatever and he pumped and dumped it we we made like 20 million dollars off that and I had the nerve to say Hey you know guys uh what's my what's my share and uh they they took great umbrage at my nerve of asking what my share might be wow so then so then you obviously that happens now you wanted is this was this situation when you just wanted your end and they kind of give you the runaround that that's it I mean probably at the time what I would have done because I realized I was in bed with scumbags I probably would have just taken my hand and gone and opened up a martial arts school you know gone off and done something that I knew how to do um but you know unfortunately my end wasn't coming you know their view of my end was the chump change not making it small money right but the chump change they gave me during the scam which was probably around 12 000 a month you know I'm not laughing at 12 000 a month but I was living in San Francisco right um and you know when you when you look at the overall scam and I told them this at the time I said listen guys I'm going to do the same amount of time in jail as you guys do you can't do this to me well they couldn't they did okay but it gets better we're not betters I don't mean to say better I'm like they're trying to kill you good job guys no no where it gets interesting Derek I'm sorry where it gets interesting these same guys who your father and brother and remember they're around people who could make it happen we all know that right respectfully right they wanted you dead what happened there man that's crazy so I guess they were so upset that I had dare to ask for money that they're discussing what their moves were right but what do we do now you know the guy wants his money uh my father propered to my brother well we can kill him and my brother I guess mold that over and said I don't know what if he stands up what if he lives you know and and they they decided not to go out now what a lot of people ask me is well how do you know that happened Derek yeah well let me give you a little Glimpse in the future without spoiling anything we're sitting on trial for the drove a case six years later which I knew we would by the way I got the same time that my father got just like I I knew I would um and my brother comes to me and says hey you know Derek uh I I want to let you know what happened with Dad and you know I stopped it and you know because you know this never should have been discussed we never should have done that and you know I apologize for shooting up on tapes and stuff say again like don't say he came to you because you're going to find out through Discovery or didn't even say it at the Hedge I'm gonna give you the reason he came to me so you know my what my brother was doing was okay what he's been taught his whole life is there's got to be someone to take the blame there's got to be a fall guy which I fit that that mold many times for them I tried doing that case for them too but the feds weren't having it because I didn't make any money right um so my my brother decides dad's got to go away your dad's better in prison anyway we'll stick him in prison and he can still act as consiglier and everything else but he's got to go to prison um the problem was my my brother just didn't conceptualize this is no matter what he was going down because the the with financial fraud the End Game Stops where the money stops my dad got a couple million bucks out of that but my brother got most of it so the fans are gonna go after my brother not my dad but my brother was telling me that to try to convince me to become a witness against my dad in the same manner my brother was doing at the time like my brother was blaming everything to the feds on my father and by the way it says no my father's a scumbag but they hold on hold on your brother discusses with your father to kill you and then rolls on your father this okay so people want to know well yeah they want to know why the Street's gone the Street's gone because sociopaths like my father and brother will rule everything you know it's like Sammy he'll shoot you and then he will go down on you so if there's no system there's no real guts to America and there really isn't anymore you know it's a free-for-all you know yeah wow you know I I knew your story I knew your stuff um what we're gonna do and you guys are gonna kill me we're gonna end it here I'm gonna tell you why we're gonna get the book we're gonna read the book and then I'm gonna have a lot more questions I I I I I knew this was going to be good and I kind of want to leave everybody's appetite a little a little hungry wet your beak a little bit so Derek in the meantime we'll we'll follow up in a few weeks after I'm done with the book give everybody how they could find you I'll put a link for the book below for people on iTunes uh it'll be in the description for audio people but how can we find you Derek yeah so I mean look my books both of them are greeting for you the galana's crime family and worry the light a Fighter's Journey Through the rise of mixed martial arts or both on Amazon so with my name Derek Alanis you can find him um as far as me talking and a lot of people love my videos I know reading it from the most popular thing with technology today uh I'm on Tick Tock um my crime Tick Tock is at Derek Meyer galanus my fight game Tick Tock which includes martial arts boxing everything is at Derek gallons uh I I merge both of those accounts on Instagram to at Derek Alanis um you guys can also find me on Facebook at Derek Meyer galantis if there's any questions beautiful and then kind of like a where are they now is your father incarcerated or is he out so my brother's incarcerated in their biggest Club Fed that Still Remains Pensacola Florida he spent ironically uh three or four years in terminal Island which was the Nexus for all these crimes including the accident case they got transferred there you got transferred because my father got out on Trump's law and here's the here's the most amazing part your father used First Step the first step yeah yeah and let me so let me say this my father had a lower criminal history level than I did um because my father had been in jail so long a lot of his criminal history went away so I had a higher criminal history at my my jarova uh sentencing that my father did um so yeah it's just comedy how it all works out wow um your second stint that was another nine years so my second stint I signed for eight to ten um now God they're very liberal in sentencing the rest of the country is not um and uh you know they gave me six years they went below the guidelines that only happens in New York I can tell you this as I went back across the country I was expecting to be people to be happy for me they were all livid you know everyone was convinced I got a 5k one I said it's not a 5k1 guys in New York they sent us below the guidelines it's like you get a break and then uh you can't win yeah wow wow this is a good one I uh I got like uh my hair my neck is standing up so listen Derek thank you for being on the show we're gonna put links to the book below um we're gonna put links to a social media uh those that watching the rebound those are watching on iTunes and uh Derek thank you so much for being on uh the armchair MBA brother anytime Tom are you tell me when to come back we'll do it again there's a lot more and there's a lot more politicos involved with the mafia I love it brother very good foreign

foreign [Music] here with a very special LIVE edition of the armchair MBA today I have a very special guest somebody that I&#39;ve been following I&#39;ve been watching shout out to Adrian invest in yourself clothing that&#39;s what I first saw Derek and then I&#39;ve been following him on Instagram since and been found copiously invited him on the show Derek is uh an author he wrote a book it&#39;s called greed and fear the galantis crime family he&#39;s an MMA fighter he wrote another book about MMA he was a former Gambino associate an operative Ward is Gambino which we&#39;ll get into the real Gambino is the Cherry Hill Gambino&#39;s and then on top of it um got involved with white collar crime and some crazy stuff Derek glanis welcome to the armchair MBA how you doing today buddy good job how are you it&#39;s my pleasure so we&#39;re gonna Jump Right In give us about you know where you grow up and uh then kind of lead into your father because his father again there&#39;s a lot to unpack here it was basically the original birdie made of so give us kind of where you grew up and like what it was like to grow up with your father yeah well I mean for those who know my background they&#39;re kind of smile like grew up right right next to New York in Greenwich Connecticut and you know for those of you who are aren&#39;t you know from Back East the tri-state area Greenwich is like the Beverly Hills of uh of the East Coast um so yeah I mean I was definitely silver spoon and mouth up until I was 14 years of age and why was that because my father was the Bernie Madoff of the 80s you know today even at his most recent trial prosecutors called him uh one of the top 10 white-collar criminals of all time and he caught a RICO indictment because Giuliani was in the office and he was using that Rico on not just the mob but anybody he could I gave my dad 27 years um and we migrated to California if my dad had some time to do um so yeah that that&#39;s my original background so you&#39;re you&#39;re so a lot of what&#39;s interesting you know this a lot of people that commit these financials like crimes like it made off like your father Etc they&#39;re not like Street people they&#39;re telling you people they do well for themselves for some reason they think they can cut corners or do stuff uh to get wealthier give me it&#39;s kind of like how your father was before the scam like was he wealthy guy like was he you know just give us a little background then why do you think he did it yeah you know listen so you know when you&#39;re on Wall Street the only thing is greed and fear and that&#39;s why I you know name my book read in fear you know uh you know how much money do you want and what are you willing to do to get it you know how afraid are you to break the law I would get my father that my father basically had no fear um you know he didn&#39;t care money was the Prime object for him and the most amount of money possible um so you know in fact Giuliani said something that was very funny around his 86 Charlie said uh John galanis is a career White Collar criminal because my father had his first bid back in the late 1960s um and you know at that time you know and we learn a lot about people in society as time goes on I think people thought you know white-collar people who got in trouble were so intelligent and sophisticated they would just stop and that was before an appreciation of the fact that you know greed afflicts us all and guess what some people never lose their greed in lessons like prison don&#39;t take um you know I think Bernie madoff&#39;s a prime example you know we put him in what a total position of power he was I think he was the head of NASDAQ at one time compliance or something crazy yeah yeah and you know and and so in that sense they treated Madoff like a dirty cop you know as 30 cops might get a lot of time because they&#39;re like you&#39;ve you&#39;ve defiled the institution that&#39;s what Madoff did now up until Madoff I think my father was probably the biggest defiler he knew all the secrets and he wasn&#39;t afraid to keep on doing them over and over and over again um and it&#39;s just you know I what can I tell you I guess his greed was way higher than his fear interesting Derek did you know uh Janet Stan steinmeier from Connecticut by chance no I mean so he saw things uh I think all your listeners should know is like remember I moved away from Connecticut at 14 years old um so you know my contacts with people whether I met her or knew her back then I might have but you know I&#39;ve lived Six Lives since then I&#39;ve done two prison bids you know I grew up effectively in Southern California um so you know I&#39;m so removed from all of that if I did know her I wouldn&#39;t even remember got it okay so here&#39;s Essence a good kid you grow up in in Greenwich you know your father gets jammed up obviously and you know this back then the sentences were very light for him to get 27 years obviously was a big deal commit some fraud uh you know Giuliani Mason example out of him you move out to the you know West Coast give us how you acclimated and then kind of like how you started your life regular life and how did you get into crime well I think the most important thing that people need to realize and this this is very common for anyone who gets busted you know and I know when the feds come in look if you&#39;ve lived a life of privilege if you were a drug dealers kid or a white collar guys kid or anybody else that life ends right and so we didn&#39;t have any money you know um we essentially went to we were in private schools still but it was on financial aid which is a real embarrassment for our family with how they had acted um and you know so I had nothing and uh by the time I turned 18 I hit the streets you know I said okay I gotta I gotta do something to make money my brother went my father&#39;s way but everything in me said my father was not the way I wanted to go let me make my own way um and I found out how ugly those streets were and after about three years I veered back into my my father&#39;s orbit little did I know the streets probably would have been less time in prison than my father that&#39;s crazy so so Derek so you know as kids we&#39;re not able to think globally right so if you&#39;re you know 12 year old 13 year old daddy goes to jail oh my God kind of a big deal right it was a big deal but then like you moved to California and you know what you don&#39;t get you know hey remember we used to eat out every night you can&#39;t you know you had to make life adjustments but you were a kid you kind of didn&#39;t understand how did your mother and how did your family kind of say to you like we&#39;re screwed here and like you know you&#39;re gonna get a little less than you did and how did you transition with that well you know listen it was never very difficult for me because money was not the top of my you know uh list unfortunately for my mother and my older brother it certainly was got it um and I so I think the the volatility in the house between those two with the new circumstances was very difficult I was always Sort Of The Peacemaker I was the guy who took the rap for anything in the family and and I I continued that into my adulthood um there was a lot of violence in my home which I think uh you know was I don&#39;t know what to say about that there&#39;s a there&#39;s a lot of violence in a lot of criminal zones um you know and uh you know my father didn&#39;t she fit to rear uh rear it in he let it go because he was so angry at my mother angry at my you know his circumstances but the truth is my father had no one to blame for his circumstances but himself um and I just think that some people are wired that way you know especially sociopaths they&#39;re only interested of what&#39;s going on for them you know um and my father was was definitely a sociopath so you know for me the transition was probably easier than for them but at the same time I had to deal with their Rocky transition and that was not easy yeah now we&#39;re not going to give it away what happened with you and your brother and father later on but just we&#39;re building up to your teens in your teens were your clothes your father wasn&#39;t around right were you getting were you close to your brother at least early on no I mean my brother Jason uh he&#39;s a sociopath in the mold of my father um and he eventually used that in the same way my father did like in financial crimes and you know my father was not a handsome man he looks a lot like me my older brother looks like a fashion model um and that obviously is very helpful in many areas of life um we&#39;ll get into that later when we talk about some other things but yeah um when my brother was young he was very hard on me and you know you mentioned my martial arts background on the roll and I find that many people who are lifetime martial artists there was a lot of violence in their home I mean my brother pummeled me you know with no remorse um and you know I probably could have taken him by the time I was you know 13 or 14 but some something in my head said this is my brother you know I can&#39;t hurt my brother or little did I know you know when I finally beat him up I was 19 years old he never touched me again I I wish I had done it when I was younger so I&#39;m Gonna Roll right into it and um I was saying earlier Derek and I were chatting um anybody watch the show anybody who knows me I know a fair amount about organized crime and history one of my blind spots has been and always has and continues to be La so you meet the gambinos which is like kind of like you know you met you know the administration level type people give us Yahoo me first and how did that happen sure so my father was in the LA prison terminal Island yeah um and uh this is after bouncing around he was in Arizona for a while he was in Northern California for a little while and then he finally landed at TI which back then was a medium prison okay um and who was at that Medium prison with him Rosario Gambino um and Rosario also happened to have we had two daughters too but he had two sons who were very very close in age to my brother and me I think they were a little younger than us but the space between them was basically the same Dynamic um and by the way on that note the older son of Rosario&#39;s Tommy was very much like Jason in that Tommy was incredibly handsome he was short like Rosario but you know for a wise guy very Charming was that was that the one who tried to use Clinton&#39;s a half brother or stepbrother to get him pardoned you bet it was you bet it was and you know listen so I you know my father we&#39;re going back and forward in years but you know my father eventually went on the run and we met with Tommy Gambino in Southern California and Tommy relayed to us a whole meeting between him Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton in a Washington parking garage um And discussing you know getting Rosario parole that was the discussion now you know listen the feds know this because they were listening to us on wires app at the time because I had a drug case coming up um they buried that just like they buried the future Hunter stuff um they don&#39;t they don&#39;t want to deal with it they don&#39;t want to touch it Jesus that the the more the more the more I put my hand in the more dirt I see you know in a swamp so okay so first let&#39;s start off with you know tell me about Rosario you know short kind of meager in shape a meager Sicilian gentleman if you saw him on the street or a pizzeria you probably wouldn&#39;t give him a Second Glance but was arguably one of the most important traffickers uh uh in the 80s maybe 90s and probably one of the most important mafioso in Gambino history so tell us about Azaria before we get into the sun well I mean the first thing I should say is you know I idolized Rosario um to me he was always Mr Gambino um he did look like a bodybuilder you know I&#39;ve been in their apartment yeah yeah he I mean that&#39;s what prison does to you right I mean according to Tommy Rosario didn&#39;t work out on the streets I I don&#39;t know if that&#39;s true or not I mean partly that might be because Tommy didn&#39;t want to work out um but Rosario sounded like you know from a king did from Greenwich Rosario sounded like Mario and Mario Brothers yeah that&#39;s very very thick Italian accent but he was always very gentlemanly um you know and and very clearly what Rosario was doing in terminal Island was hooking up his progeny Tony and Tommy with all the fellows who might help them learn how to make money in the world I mean certainly my father was one of those nice now so that&#39;s Rosario we&#39;ll get to timing a little bit so you&#39;re you know you&#39;re 18 you&#39;re in the street you&#39;re in La I know it&#39;s different than New York L.A is a different composition but were you introduced to the you know La organized crime scene through Rosario and Tommy or did you kind of find it on your own and then kind of it like merge later on so okay so let me qualify first of all so my my brother moved to LA uh my family and me were in San Diego so the next is the gambinos were always in La themselves um both of the street stuff I did in San Diego was totally and completely apart to anything to do with the gambino had nothing to do with them um when I when I met them I had come back into my father&#39;s fold and my father desperately you know was courting the gambinos and I think part of that is this look he knew who they were just like you know who they are uh it seems strange that the rest of the world doesn&#39;t know that family and how powerful indeed they are um but my father knew look there&#39;s money to be made here meaning you know in his day you&#39;re talking in the 80s and 70s or Gambino could go into a restaurant and say hey by the way your vending machines and phones we&#39;re putting them in from now on that&#39;s the way it&#39;s going to be correct you know and by the way that&#39;s the business Tommy was in when when I met him he was in the phone of the pay phone installation business now the irony of course of that is cell phones were just coming out you know it was a 90s right Tommy had chosen the absolutely wrong business but it didn&#39;t matter you know he edged along and he kept going well one story and maybe I&#39;m jumping a habit I think I got to tell this story because it&#39;s funny you know I was a professional fighter back then but I was a kickboxer because MMA wasn&#39;t very big fights in Vegas with Tommy um I think we saw De La Hoya fight because one of the goosen&#39;s Gophers was in prison with Rosario my father and got us tickets but um you know Tommy used to always make fun of the fighters like yeah he&#39;s just a boxer who is he and I brought to my father and Rosario and Tommy we had to sit down at Terminal Island I said look the UFC is going to be huge you know if we if we move on this thing right now we can be richer than we ever dreamed and my father continued to tell me how stupid I was and I couldn&#39;t see it and I didn&#39;t know what I was doing and needless to say we didn&#39;t get into that and now and the irony and the irony is it was purchased by the fertitti brothers who another prominent family who&#39;s related to the messeos and the macheos from Galveston so it&#39;s kind of funny that the Gambino&#39;s could have picked it up but the Galveston guys picked that up so okay so so and there wasn&#39;t um there wasn&#39;t much you know you were a street guy in San Diego there wasn&#39;t much going on in San Diego as far as LCN correct I think it was no I mean listen the LA crime family like when I met the gambinos I started to get to know the hierarchy like Pete Milano was in terminal Island for a time with them and Milana was the boss of La for decades and decades yeah um and you know Rosario had his sons made under the LA crime family I didn&#39;t know that I didn&#39;t know that oh yeah I mean listen so yeah look in in a really kind of way our fathers both knew something like our time in New York was done and what Rosario knew was if I leave my family back here Tommy and Tony especially Tony was who was more of a wild kind of guy or you&#39;re going to get into some stupid stupid Street stuff so he moves him to L.A to remove them from any of that influence any of that stuff where they can be dragged in and in doing so you&#39;ll integrate some with the LA crime family that Pete&#39;s in gets them made Tommy becomes Pete&#39;s underboss and it was a way to keep his Traditions going but keep his family safe at the same time interesting so I heard two things I heard there is an LA crime family you know still probably 10 guys or whatever&#39;s left and they were the former Dragon of family they were represented by Chicago or whatever at one point one to Chicago and then nowadays are basically a satellite crew of the gambinos so I heard that their own family or a satellite crew of the New York gambinos which do you think is closer to the truth well so it&#39;s funny you know people say that and and so it it takes on a double meaning here and let&#39;s bring this up so we know know that John who&#39;s Rosario&#39;s brother was on the ruling Council of the gambinos in New York right right we also know that Frank Cali married into the injurilos and I know I I&#39;ve talked to some of Frank&#39;s kids on Tick Tock following me and they&#39;ve they&#39;ve talked about John being there I think the word is nanu in in Italian right grandfather so you know by Blood the Sicilians through Frank Cali who was you know their American proxy if you will took over the gambinos there correct Tommy being Peach underboss out there they took over La so you could say the Sicilians sort of had control of that now listen Tommy bounced around with that guy Donnie I forget his last name who was it Columbo um yes yes yes he was a big shot right dating I think uh Hurley Elizabeth Hurley I think yeah yeah I know you&#39;re talking about Sean tell your story guys it&#39;s pretty funny so Tony and I are partying and Ella Tony decides you guys he was okay so we&#39;re coming out of one of the clubs Roxbury or whatever it was I can&#39;t even remember and Tony sideswipes this car and then he decides he&#39;s going to make a go for it and run away right so he peels out and they start following us and Tony goes Derek we got to beat up these guys I&#39;m like all right well whatever children you&#39;re gonna do I&#39;m gonna back your play Tony pulls over we both jump out of the car uh the girls in the car get out but Tony but the guys don&#39;t right they don&#39;t want any problems then the girl suddenly realizes who Tony is because of how he&#39;s talking and and what he says to them and and she goes oh my God are you guys with Donnie and Tony says yeah Donny&#39;s my uncle or whatever he says so then the cops pull up if they want to know what happened and the cops take both their IDs they see Gambino&#39;s ID I can tell you this we were both drunk as skunks they let us go no questions asked go ahead sorry we stopped you sorry bothered you and you don&#39;t listen when that happens what&#39;s happening is there&#39;s bigger cases the feds are saying to the street cops by computer obviously do not mess with these guys we&#39;re about to let them fall into their own trap you don&#39;t touch them and so it was the funniest thing I&#39;d ever seen in my life but yeah they let us go and then the next day with Tommy and Tony like me and Tony were in trouble we had to sit down with those girls and with Donnie and Tommy and you know they berated us made us look like idiots and then then Donny and Tommy went away with the two girls wow that&#39;s it yeah there you go there you go all right so now you&#39;re in La you&#39;re kind of hanging out the gambi the gambino guys um how is Tommy Gambino yeah how can you describe them so you know uh like I said he&#39;s very charming and he&#39;s very very good looking right um but you know whenever I try to to make it on a man level with him like you know talk like you would with your friends if you will he shut that down very quickly yeah um it&#39;s just I think Tommy is very uptight now Tony&#39;s the absolutely opposite personality you know Tony and I we we we were very close and very similar in our roles for our family muscle if you will so you know we got along really well but Tommy was a hard personality but I imagine just like my brother man you know my brother unless you break through his skin very difficult to talk to yeah now um Tommy I think I think if you&#39;re causing Usher depending which family depending which area I think obviously there&#39;s something else standing in LA but my understanding they&#39;re like 80 legitimate you know what I mean like they&#39;re kind of in the fabric of society they have a little bit of muscle a little bit of power kind of doing some sketchy [ __ ] but they kind of made their money so they don&#39;t want to [ __ ] it up right how did Tommy make yeah how did Tommy go ahead Derek yeah no so listen uh my what my book is about is about the new form of organized crime and I&#39;ll tell you something Rosario said to my father um in terminal Island he said Johnny there&#39;s no way that you&#39;re gonna convince kid to become a soldier when he can open a pizza parlor now and make 300 Grand a year you know what how are you gonna get that back when Rosario was dealing smack you know money like that was not easy to come by right it was very easy to get soldiers because there was need um now you know people want to say like well who&#39;s in the LA crime family I got news for you it only needs one member Tommy Gambino the boss yeah so soldiers in modern organized crime soldiers look if you have a traditional family like back in New York they&#39;re all rats who need the example is that I&#39;m not going to be on tomorrow with you look he rolled I mean I don&#39;t know the guy personally and by the way I&#39;m not saying he is he is evil for Rolling I personally chose not to that&#39;s a personal choice um but you know modern organized crime any Soldier is just someone who wants to get rich so they use people as they need to now listen we all know Tommy&#39;s in the wine business have you also noticed that Michael Francis is suddenly in the wine business you know they&#39;re both in La together and let me show you that yeah right so it didn&#39;t take me long to figure it out by the way you know Michael Francis was Rosario selly when he was in TI really oh yeah oh yeah and you know P Milano is still there and you know Michael&#39;s got a story talks about where a black kid punched him in the back of the head but the black kid thought he was someone else supposedly yo Milano went crazy we can&#39;t let them do this to us here and you know Michael being a very calm guy I said no look Pete it was an accident case of mistake identity leave it alone but listen I am sure Michael Francis is in the wine business because Tommy told him to get in the wine business now when we talk about organized crime yeah we can say they&#39;re legit that&#39;s what they would say but let me say something else I guarantee you those wine businesses aren&#39;t making any money what they are doing is they&#39;re using their star power and their Mafia connections to raise money for what our legitimate fronts but they&#39;re never going to make any money with that and it&#39;s like a lot we got lost leaders say a lost leader or in terms of connections to make money meaning all of a sudden they have they&#39;re in every wine table in Sicily or there you know what I mean so it&#39;s either they they lose money on it to make money other ways they they how&#39;s that happen though I know Tommy said he wants them to people to say I want to order a Gambino like making a name thing but has that really happened I mean have you ever tried Gambino wine I haven&#39;t not just that I I&#39;m a little bit of a wine guy I never had it but I understand that like just kind of doing a Prosecco which is like a niche of a niche like you need like six like like skus to even get in the game you need a Cabernet you need a a a rose maybe nowadays you need a you know what I mean uh I don&#39;t know caviar Sauvignon and they just have a Prosecco so yeah I kind of find that oddly interesting and uh I&#39;m happy that um you know so Tom I you look Rosario coached his kids very young like I remember we were going out to see Benny Binion the grandson of the gangster yeah right so me and Tony are on our way you know Tony wasn&#39;t sophisticated like Tommy was he always had some hustle and he goes you know what I&#39;m gonna do Derek I&#39;m gonna I&#39;m gonna pitch him my coffee company I&#39;m like oh really Tony what&#39;s your coffee company&#39;s name he goes g coffee then we get a little a little further down the road and he goes it&#39;s actually named Cafe Imports so so Tony&#39;s inventing this coffee company because he knows that like if he gets a contract yeah you know and by the way so that&#39;s and then by the way they say they&#39;re legitimate okay I get it you know but it&#39;s it&#39;s really like my father it&#39;s underground financier type you know uh yeah type type crimes now what about um what about the Gambino&#39;s themselves when they were here in New Jersey um they were obviously very wealthy men very wealthy immigrants but they didn&#39;t necessarily flaunt their wealth they lived in a neighborhood that was kind of like annexed off a little bit with a no nice house there&#39;s nothing crazy they had you know Valentino&#39;s nightclub they had a supper club uh 18th Avenue I think it was Cafe giardino but like they weren&#39;t really like they weren&#39;t really flexing too much how do they live in LA as far as you saw no very very undercover I&#39;ll tell you this and this has something to do with like the Sicilian clannish thing look the whole family lived in one house uh at one apartment I should say on Wilshire Boulevard and you know I would have never seen that you know Tommy wouldn&#39;t have brought me up brought me up there just like Jason wouldn&#39;t have brought someone around where we lived um you know showing weakness about you know what was going on um look they were on Wilshire which is a very expensive area the apartment was big enough to house all of them and that was two daughters at the time a mother and two sons so were they living high on the hog no oh but they were in the best best area best area codes they were um you know wearing the best clothing and whatnot um so yeah and they were hustling they were learning how to make money and you know one of the guys she learned from was my father I mean one of the things I outlined in the book so I get busted and go away for the Ecstasy lab my brother and Tommy Gambino together Tommy acting as a Salesforce my brother acting as investment banker team uh floated Penthouse International that was the last legs of Bob guccione&#39;s Empire you know you think about the timing around 2000 2001 right internet decimated print porn so good Joni&#39;s on his last legs Jason convinces him hey I&#39;ve got a shell for you that&#39;s everybody knows that&#39;s the biggest scam on Wall Street right a reverse merger into a shell and you know we&#39;ll do this we&#39;ll do that well nobody ends up doing anything you know they&#39;re all pump and dumps for the benefit of of uh you know the guys pulling off the scam now in this case it was Tommy Gambino and my brother Jason Tommy had New York brokerage houses working for him so they sold off Penthouse and my brother convinced guccione to do it and my brother took care of the fake accounting to make Penthouse look palatable to investors so yeah I mean and by the way that was another case never charged my brother got a borrow from the SEC but there was no time given to anyone interesting so okay so let&#39;s get to the nuts and bolts I put a link to your book for those watching on the pre-record and even when you&#39;re watching now I&#39;m gonna have a link in the description to get Derek&#39;s book I have it I have it ordered I&#39;m waiting for my copy I was excited to have them on I&#39;ll probably have them on again when I probably have a lot of questions so your old man was doing his thing come in the financial fraud then it was kind of hanging out with a lot of these Wise Guys did he do business with these guys when he got out or did he kind of you know or he just kind of hung around with them your father okay so remember one thing about you know my father&#39;s a child of the set 70s and 80s right in the 60s too so back then you know if you were a big time fraud guy like my father you&#39;re gonna pay somebody right so who was my father paying okay my father&#39;s scam was called Boardwalk Marketplace which kind of makes me smile because I remember that yeah can you go to that can you go finish your answer and then go into that scam because that&#39;s [ __ ] insane what he did yeah no I I think it&#39;s great because you know my people might not have known what what we meant but today everybody&#39;s probably seen Boardwalk Empire with Nucky Thompson um and you know in Boardwalk Empire you see Atlantic City and it&#39;s Heyday right when there was cotton candy and Ferris wheels and people walked on the boardwalk well I don&#39;t need to tell you that you know when you went to the Atlantic City in the 70s and 80s it was the worst ghetto I mean worse than inner city New York um you know and look that that was my father&#39;s dream of Boardwalk Marketplace it was look we&#39;re gonna make it like the times of Nucky Thompson we&#39;re going to bring families back we&#39;re going to make it a Las Vegas on the East Coast but the financial mechanism is what really did it if you think about the timing right in the 80s or early 80s uh we had just gone through stagflation right so what did Reagan do Reagan made four to one tax shelters what does that mean means you convince rich people to come off their money by saying don&#39;t worry if you lose your money you&#39;re going to get four times that in tax savings you know it creates velocity of money and hopefully gets the economy running again um you know because we had a stagnant economy with high inflation which hadn&#39;t been seen before on and by the way the the principal idea behind that is not wrong the problem is if you&#39;ve got guys like my father it gives them a license to steal right they go around to a bunch of Rich guys and they say got a deal you can&#39;t you can&#39;t lose on you invest under a thousand dollars with me but better than that you don&#39;t even have to invest it I&#39;m gonna borrow it from the bank I have all you have to do is be a credit signer on this so sign your name Mr millionaire and then you&#39;ll get four to one tax savings if we lose but I think we&#39;re gonna make you I don&#39;t know five million dollars or whatever so everybody says well I don&#39;t put up any money this sounds like the greatest thing so he signed up my dad raised 400 million dollars that way to renovate uh the boardwalk in in Atlantic City now I&#39;m needless to say that money was going into our lifestyle it was not going into Ford watch in Atlantic City but who controlled Atlantic City in those days you you know you&#39;re a mob guy it was Philly Philly was right by them so my dad was paying the Philadelphia crime family um for that deal millions and millions of dollars and by the way for Street guys that was big money for filling exactly even back then oh yeah so um yeah that&#39;s where that&#39;s where my dad I think got his first real taste of the mafia off of Wall Street um you get big enough they&#39;re gonna come knocking on your door I mean there were I remember some incidents and Greenwich like there was a guy I was too young and they told me I didn&#39;t understand it there was a black guy that was chasing our house and the cops you know got him they pulled him over and said what are you doing the guy had a long string for Orson well that was Philadelphia saying hey John and you know I didn&#39;t understand as a little kid I thought people win houses on fire because they wanted him through the fire sure I didn&#39;t I didn&#39;t understand what was going on yikes all right so before we graduate from the next day one last question actually two questions but the first one is um that actually seemed like a legitimate plausible message and a legitimate project was this something your father intended to do but just mismanaged it or that was just never gonna happen well let&#39;s let&#39;s be honest okay so my father&#39;s grease over the top but all of these deals of these underground Finance here sounds great Prosecco wine order me a Gambino sounds legitimate right well I could see that all these things and by the way the more real and amazing it looks the bigger the fraud is you know people put more and more money into it and listen guys rich guys love Wise Guys you know how Tommy raised that money for that wine company I mean I don&#39;t know but I don&#39;t need to know some rich guy who sees this young girl getting Wise Guys with the gambinos give them money yeah I I I see that I see that where people think it&#39;s cool to even nowadays in wealthier neighborhoods kind of think it&#39;s cool to hang out the wise guy okay so your father gets jammed up he goes away does gets involved with everything right and then he goes away you are growing up now when did you first start getting into were you a street guy got into white color crime or did you you know slow down the street stuff get in the white collar and then want to know how you kind of got jammed up in your case so I I would kid because we had no money right and and there was nothing going on and it was really ugly in my house and I was selling drugs and really partying and living that kind of life um but I really saw how ugly the street was because you look the street is uh you know Wall Street at least has veneers in front of it right even though it&#39;s as scummy as the street is um yeah I uh I ran back to my family after I realized how tough the streets were what it recognizes I was you know going from the the frying pan Into the Fire you know um and you know look so I was working in one of my father&#39;s Financial scams and he sent a guy home from terminal island named Dennis Alba now Alba wasn&#39;t a mob guy but he was Italian he knew Rosario he knew Milano knew all those guys in terminal island with him yeah Alba was a drug dealer you know and Alba thought like okay I can get out of this and get into John scams what I think Apple realized when when John finally sold off the scam he was involved in Alba got virtually no money um not that album wasn&#39;t dabbling in drugs from the moment he got home he was he was having ecstasy made in China and sent back home well you know I was a kid in my 20s you know so Alba comes to me with some boats of X that says Derek can you sell these well I thought it was the coolest thing in the world you know I&#39;m hanging out with the gambinos I got ecstasy so I started selling x super album you know I thought it was Al Capone the True Blood I was an idiot kid but it didn&#39;t really matter what the truth was that&#39;s what I started doing um it eventually my father got out of jail um and he had State time to do so he was sent to New York the family moved me back there um to give a house for him to come you know parole to and he got out and went to Bruno&#39;s restaurant another mob hang out in New York um and Bruno&#39;s Albanian the Kosovo war was going on he said look John I know Derek needs something to do let&#39;s send him over there and start an insurance company and that was you know right up my dad&#39;s alley and so I took off from the drugs and went over to Kosovo and lived there for two and a half years holy cow okay Brandon but okay so now I said I got a customer you do your thing you have your insurance company then you come back right and then you know obviously we&#39;re gonna we&#39;re gonna push the book but don&#39;t give too much away but then what happened next time because that&#39;s what I&#39;m saying I want to get how you like you got into this the white collar scam how did that happen was it intentional was it you know did you do it and think like I&#39;m not gonna get caught I&#39;ll get out or was it just going honestly and then you kind of you know mired over to the left and to the right you know what happened there in terms of you&#39;re getting jammed up so this is the beauty about the crimes the new form of organized crime and I&#39;ll talk about it in regards to Kosovo you&#39;re like I went to Kosovo because I was a young crazy kid you know it satisfied all my street urges where at the same time I thought I was involved in something legitimate well halfway through I recognized this is another one of my father&#39;s scams you know and by the way our Albanian Partners also realized that um meanwhile ibtr which is another pump and dump my brother and father were involved in they used me as a signature but I was going on in New York so you know they they kind of put you know Derek away in Kosovo let him go fight the war and you know we&#39;ll we&#39;ll uh pump and dump here the pump and dump goes bad my dad sure he&#39;s gonna go to jail Forbes puts a new article out called the long arm of John galanas by the way they&#39;re totally right about everything in the article um and uh my father decides he&#39;s got to take off and go on the run so my father is on the Run living race which is right below Kosovo I&#39;m going down there shoveling money he&#39;s going over and seeing the gambinos in Sicily Tony&#39;s over there courting some girl that he eventually married and he actually sent Tony to Kosovo to see me you know I&#39;ll never forget you know Tony says to me look hey Derek I want to open an ice cream bar you know in Sicily we could do this and I looked at him and you know my mind was just fried then for my so in your Gambino asking me for money was so I looked and I was I&#39;m not giving you a dime and I sent him back to Sicily and I know my father sent him there because he thought that I would come off the money for him but I was living around a bunch of dangerous albanians 24 7. you know Gambino asking me for money wasn&#39;t gonna happen um in any event eventually the insurance business implodes on itself my father made so many enemies with our Albanian partners and everything else it explodes I returned to San Diego and unfortunately I return right into a DEA drug investigation that&#39;s going on surrounding Dennis Alba&#39;s ecstasy lab unreal so your first pitch was for the Ecstasy yeah my first pictures from yes and here&#39;s the thing I mean you gotta appreciate like so they know time by the way I so I&#39;m in San Diego for a little while yeah and then I go with my brother back to New York we&#39;re searching some other like uh stock pump and dump deal or whatever there and we meet Tommy and I believe it was the Soho area of New York and uh I hit him up because Dennis asked me do I say Tommy uh you&#39;ll listen you know Dennis got that lab going um if we can get you know channels back here for distribution we can make a lot of money and Tommy looks at me and he smiles he goes I look around for you Derek and so I I take that as a you know positive side I run out of the bar call Alba I go hey Dennis I go Dennis I got financing for both things and we were in some porn thing and and the Ecstasy lab and the da was listening the whole time so when we all got swooped up their entire Focus was on Gambino because you know they&#39;re Mafia royalty I mean the Gambino family and the public doesn&#39;t seem to realize it they think of the gambino crime family the gambino took over the gambino crime family I mean they went from sizzling and they were in charge of it I mean Frank Kelly married into it John was on the commission I mean they are the gambinos literally um but yeah so so they leaned on me hard I mean fortunately for me they were constrained statutorily to 20 years because it was my first offense and your first offense because ecstasy wasn&#39;t Coke and it wasn&#39;t speeding and mandatory minimums have become so unpopular there was no mandatory minimum and because because it was a new drug I was constrained to 20 years of my first offense but believe me they tried to give me 20. wow and then okay so we do hear respectfully and it&#39;s not beating anybody up but there were guys that did we that were in your shoes that flipped right and you can argue you weren&#39;t a made guy you weren&#39;t like a hardcore associate you were friends with these guys you like these guys but like you could have you could have took with sack and moved on and not do a day what made you stand up for I mean obviously you did but what made you stand up Derek no you know listen so uh first of all internal things are the only thing that do that you know our own wherewithal and how we see the world from my perspective I was raised with the gambino kids I was raised as my Father&#39;s son you know my father taught me about rats being scum from the time I was a little kid rats are scum my uncle was a rat on my father rats are scum everything in me said rats are scum so I you know I that was my perspective and by the way my father also taught me the government does illegal things the government scumbags and by the way they did plenty of illegal things they they invaded my mother&#39;s house while I was sitting in MCC San Diego to try to make me think it was the gambinos to try to finally equipment you know and and by the way they you know they don&#39;t they not they never get in trouble for those things let&#39;s let&#39;s imagine that a street cop found the DEA in my mom&#39;s home doing that they would simply say ah yeah we&#39;re investigating and then maybe I would have gotten a sentence beat down to like five years or something like nothing ever happens to them there&#39;s no repercussions yeah and so it seemed all the lessons my father taught me about how corrupt and scummy the government is or absolutely legitimate so you know it just it just made me dig in more and more like yeah these these guys I I hate them and you know listen I didn&#39;t I&#39;d have done life you could have put me to death I wouldn&#39;t have told on Tommy I wouldn&#39;t have told them my brother I wouldn&#39;t have told them my father and they all knew about the drugs and they were all involved at varying degrees you know um but you know listen it was my honor my pride the way I was raised now listen I will tell you this I learned a valuable lesson there that I was the Patsy now I was the fool in their minds I mean none of those guys reached out to help me after that I mean I got out and they ripped me off again but that that&#39;s all right I don&#39;t wanna I don&#39;t want to Glow us over that because they&#39;re looking at your old interviews or old in your other interviews because we&#39;re all new but your other interviews you stood up you know ten toes a ten toes down and you um did your time you come out so you&#39;re like hey you know I I care about you a lot I didn&#39;t roll I stood up I lost 10 years of income maybe starting a family being away from my family whatever that is and you came out walk us through that a little bit because I was really surprised to hear that sure so you know like my delusion and I of course I outlined this in the book how could I not my delusion was no I I had been you know my stature in the family was just raised like now everybody sees this Derek the man of Honor you know it&#39;s like Rosario Derek will take one on the chin you can&#39;t break Derek and by the way the prosecutors got that message because you know 20 years later when I caught another case the prosecutor in San Diego Todd Robinson told the prosecutor Brian blaze in New York he goes you&#39;re never going to break or go on us you can try but you&#39;re never gonna do it do they make Mafia guys look like you know that&#39;s that great blood hey and yes stubbornness and you know like for me I got out and I&#39;m thinking okay you know they&#39;re going to respect me more and we&#39;ll get things done but I was the same guy and you know we we committed another scam you know we pumped and dumped drove a financial like my brother threw us back had gotten uh control over effectively what was a shell on the New York Stock Exchange now forget the fact that the money went back to the investors didn&#39;t matter if you have a shell an empty shell on New York Stock Exchange you got something that could be monetized pretty hard and yeah and that&#39;s what he did he put in a bunch of bogus insurance companies from the Bahamas or Bermuda or whatever and he pumped and dumped it we we made like 20 million dollars off that and I had the nerve to say Hey you know guys uh what&#39;s my what&#39;s my share and uh they they took great umbrage at my nerve of asking what my share might be wow so then so then you obviously that happens now you wanted is this was this situation when you just wanted your end and they kind of give you the runaround that that&#39;s it I mean probably at the time what I would have done because I realized I was in bed with scumbags I probably would have just taken my hand and gone and opened up a martial arts school you know gone off and done something that I knew how to do um but you know unfortunately my end wasn&#39;t coming you know their view of my end was the chump change not making it small money right but the chump change they gave me during the scam which was probably around 12 000 a month you know I&#39;m not laughing at 12 000 a month but I was living in San Francisco right um and you know when you when you look at the overall scam and I told them this at the time I said listen guys I&#39;m going to do the same amount of time in jail as you guys do you can&#39;t do this to me well they couldn&#39;t they did okay but it gets better we&#39;re not betters I don&#39;t mean to say better I&#39;m like they&#39;re trying to kill you good job guys no no where it gets interesting Derek I&#39;m sorry where it gets interesting these same guys who your father and brother and remember they&#39;re around people who could make it happen we all know that right respectfully right they wanted you dead what happened there man that&#39;s crazy so I guess they were so upset that I had dare to ask for money that they&#39;re discussing what their moves were right but what do we do now you know the guy wants his money uh my father propered to my brother well we can kill him and my brother I guess mold that over and said I don&#39;t know what if he stands up what if he lives you know and and they they decided not to go out now what a lot of people ask me is well how do you know that happened Derek yeah well let me give you a little Glimpse in the future without spoiling anything we&#39;re sitting on trial for the drove a case six years later which I knew we would by the way I got the same time that my father got just like I I knew I would um and my brother comes to me and says hey you know Derek uh I I want to let you know what happened with Dad and you know I stopped it and you know because you know this never should have been discussed we never should have done that and you know I apologize for shooting up on tapes and stuff say again like don&#39;t say he came to you because you&#39;re going to find out through Discovery or didn&#39;t even say it at the Hedge I&#39;m gonna give you the reason he came to me so you know my what my brother was doing was okay what he&#39;s been taught his whole life is there&#39;s got to be someone to take the blame there&#39;s got to be a fall guy which I fit that that mold many times for them I tried doing that case for them too but the feds weren&#39;t having it because I didn&#39;t make any money right um so my my brother decides dad&#39;s got to go away your dad&#39;s better in prison anyway we&#39;ll stick him in prison and he can still act as consiglier and everything else but he&#39;s got to go to prison um the problem was my my brother just didn&#39;t conceptualize this is no matter what he was going down because the the with financial fraud the End Game Stops where the money stops my dad got a couple million bucks out of that but my brother got most of it so the fans are gonna go after my brother not my dad but my brother was telling me that to try to convince me to become a witness against my dad in the same manner my brother was doing at the time like my brother was blaming everything to the feds on my father and by the way it says no my father&#39;s a scumbag but they hold on hold on your brother discusses with your father to kill you and then rolls on your father this okay so people want to know well yeah they want to know why the Street&#39;s gone the Street&#39;s gone because sociopaths like my father and brother will rule everything you know it&#39;s like Sammy he&#39;ll shoot you and then he will go down on you so if there&#39;s no system there&#39;s no real guts to America and there really isn&#39;t anymore you know it&#39;s a free-for-all you know yeah wow you know I I knew your story I knew your stuff um what we&#39;re gonna do and you guys are gonna kill me we&#39;re gonna end it here I&#39;m gonna tell you why we&#39;re gonna get the book we&#39;re gonna read the book and then I&#39;m gonna have a lot more questions I I I I I knew this was going to be good and I kind of want to leave everybody&#39;s appetite a little a little hungry wet your beak a little bit so Derek in the meantime we&#39;ll we&#39;ll follow up in a few weeks after I&#39;m done with the book give everybody how they could find you I&#39;ll put a link for the book below for people on iTunes uh it&#39;ll be in the description for audio people but how can we find you Derek yeah so I mean look my books both of them are greeting for you the galana&#39;s crime family and worry the light a Fighter&#39;s Journey Through the rise of mixed martial arts or both on Amazon so with my name Derek Alanis you can find him um as far as me talking and a lot of people love my videos I know reading it from the most popular thing with technology today uh I&#39;m on Tick Tock um my crime Tick Tock is at Derek Meyer galanus my fight game Tick Tock which includes martial arts boxing everything is at Derek gallons uh I I merge both of those accounts on Instagram to at Derek Alanis um you guys can also find me on Facebook at Derek Meyer galantis if there&#39;s any questions beautiful and then kind of like a where are they now is your father incarcerated or is he out so my brother&#39;s incarcerated in their biggest Club Fed that Still Remains Pensacola Florida he spent ironically uh three or four years in terminal Island which was the Nexus for all these crimes including the accident case they got transferred there you got transferred because my father got out on Trump&#39;s law and here&#39;s the here&#39;s the most amazing part your father used First Step the first step yeah yeah and let me so let me say this my father had a lower criminal history level than I did um because my father had been in jail so long a lot of his criminal history went away so I had a higher criminal history at my my jarova uh sentencing that my father did um so yeah it&#39;s just comedy how it all works out wow um your second stint that was another nine years so my second stint I signed for eight to ten um now God they&#39;re very liberal in sentencing the rest of the country is not um and uh you know they gave me six years they went below the guidelines that only happens in New York I can tell you this as I went back across the country I was expecting to be people to be happy for me they were all livid you know everyone was convinced I got a 5k one I said it&#39;s not a 5k1 guys in New York they sent us below the guidelines it&#39;s like you get a break and then uh you can&#39;t win yeah wow wow this is a good one I uh I got like uh my hair my neck is standing up so listen Derek thank you for being on the show we&#39;re gonna put links to the book below um we&#39;re gonna put links to a social media uh those that watching the rebound those are watching on iTunes and uh Derek thank you so much for being on uh the armchair MBA brother anytime Tom are you tell me when to come back we&#39;ll do it again there&#39;s a lot more and there&#39;s a lot more politicos involved with the mafia I love it brother very good foreign

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Armchair MBA Live Edition with Derek Galanis