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Insights from Meeting with Ray Dalio

Mar 7, 2025

Lecture Notes: Meeting with Indonesian National Entrepreneurs and Ray Dalio

Opening Remarks

  • Greetings: Various salutations in different languages.
  • Thanksgiving: Thanks to Almighty God for blessings such as health.
  • Purpose: Informal meeting with Indonesian national entrepreneurs.

Introduction to Ray Dalio

  • Background:
    • Entrepreneur, investor with decades of experience.
    • Extensive interaction with Sovereign Wealth Funds.
    • Experience in Asia and the Middle East.
  • Connection to Indonesia:
    • Observed Indonesian development.
    • Provided input on economic matters.

Discussion Points

  • Sovereign Wealth Fund in Indonesia:
    • Potential of the newly launched Investor Management Body "Nusantara Energy Fund."
    • Consolidation of economic strength through BUMN (State-Owned Enterprises).
    • Repair and improvement of assets for efficient operation.
  • Invitation to Partners:
    • Seeking critical views and investment experience.
    • Emphasis on careful and efficient asset management.

Key Personalities Present

  • Indonesian Economic Figures:
    • General Luhut Panjaitan (Chairman of National Economic Council).
    • Mrs. Sri Mulyani (Minister of Finance).
    • Mr. Bahleel Bahadalia (Minister of Energy and Minerals).
    • Business leaders from major Indonesian corporations (e.g., CT Corporation, Lipo Group, etc.).
  • Government Officials:
    • Various ministers (e.g., Minister of Sea and Fisheries, Minister of State-Owned Enterprise).
    • President's advisors and cabinet members.

Ray Dalio's Address

  • Experience: Global macro investor for over 50 years.
  • Indonesia's Potential:
    • Parallels with China in 1984 and Singapore under Li Kuan Yew.
    • Assessing potential through a 'Health Index' for countries.
    • Highlights: Low debt level, capital formation capabilities.
  • Challenges:
    • Bureaucratic obstacles, corruption, ease of business setup.
    • Importance of strong leadership for reform and energizing the economy.

Global Context

  • Five Key Factors Changing World Order:
    1. Money and Debt Cycles: Impact on purchasing power and economies.
    2. Internal Conflicts: Populism and irreconcilable left-right differences.
    3. Geopolitical Tensions: Rising powers, shifting world order.
    4. Acts of Nature: Droughts, floods, pandemics affecting orders.
    5. Technological Advances: Impact of AI on various sectors.

Closing Remarks

  • Dalio's Motivation:
    • Inspired by Indonesia's potential, not monetary gain.
    • Willing to contribute and help capitalize on opportunities.
  • Call for Discussion: Encouragement to engage and explore possibilities.