Rob says this I'm a strength coach at a 45 and up small group training gym that's great I'm currently using easy strength for fat loss for my own training and some medical issues have set me back in the gym over the last few years I love the program and I like feeling energized when I'm done not like I've been beat beaten up thank you and and I really I really appreciate that statement Rob because I think a mistake a lot of people make when they start thinking longterm is that you should still train like the last six weeks before a major bodybuilding contest or maybe eight weeks out from you know some World Championship um a lot of us just need you know the strength movements the walk some reasonable Mobility work and thank you very much for being here yeah thank you but of all your work the program that really excites me and makes me jealous of anyone who can do it is Mass Made Simple I'm 52 6'4 and overall in good shape but my strength is half what it was and my body composition isn't what I want my question if you scaled massm Made Simple to an appropriate load and assuming good joint uh health and Mobility do you think it's a viable option once I'm done with easy strength or do you feel like this program is better left for young athletes massm Made Simple is probably one of the best programs I've ever put together it is a total do this program and the problem is and Robbie you've already hinted to it nobody wants to do that so Dan what's your secret to uh gaining mass oh in six weeks oh sure uh you got to eat a ton of food and you got to do high rep back squats you got to do complexes you got to do big push lifts like the bench and press and the one arm press yeah and it's going to suck can we modify that well yeah I mean I can't stop you but you know I know that massade simple as written works um for hypertrophy work what you're talking about and I got it you know with the armor building formula uh I wrote that specifically for people like you rob people like you uh I so doing Mass simple is hard and it's uh the value and and and you're 50 uh 52 and adding body weight in your 50s is fine lean body mass is fine and I think is wonderful having said that uh you know I I will quote once again Archbishop George neow who one time said he had gotten some advice when he was younger and that's why he went on the Atkin di he said when you go to the golf course you see a lot of old men and you see a lot of fat men but you don't see a lot of old fat men and uh archbishop's point to me was you know uh if you want to live a long time you got to choose I'm not saying you're going get fat on mass Made Simple you might add H most people add a little bit because you're just gorging yourself but uh there's one guy who complained about the program he put on 12 pounds of lean body mass in six weeks but he also put on two pounds of fat so he the program was a failure and I'm like I mean that's that's pretty good 12 PBS of lean body mess that you're you know just stop gorging yourself with that lean body mass and the calories with the the calories that that lean body mass will quickly make that body fat disappear according to the numbers uh completely um yeah I'm not against the idea I'm not Rob I I think there's some value to it but I'm not going to be the person who who's going to scale down massade simple we tried it years ago uh we called it lean made simple and uh I remember Mike Warren Brown kind of making fun of me and the other person who were trying it we were trying to lean out on a high squat program so we were using goblet squats and got to tell you folks doing a set of 50 in the goblet squat with 24 kilos or 32 kilos or 28 kilos whatever is appropriate it's an eye opener man it it it is so much harder than you think because your arms are in a uh you're in a half Pearl well even if you're rested here you just never give your arms a break and you never give whatever you want to call this your core your column whatever uh a break uh so I've tried it I couldn't make it work uh you might but honestly I just wish you'd just go over to the armor building formula and go that direction um if you if you're doing easy strength for fat loss and then you slid over to either the barbell recommendation the book or even the kettle bell with the traditional armor building complex i' I'd like to see you follow especially try the first three weeks in the barbell program for sure and just get a sense if just that small amount of effort might be enough for you because the the first three weeks in the barbell program are just two exercises uh and then after that you add another one which makes it very hard uh I said two exercises it's the barbell clean and press and the curl so you some people might count that as three um but I I think I think you'd be wiser to do that after easy strain for fat loss than a massade simple derivation which you're going to you know even if you send me follow up here's what I'm thinking I have no idea if it's going to work or not cuz I've never tried it and I I really do try to stick with what I know and the experience uh it's a fun question and uh thank you so much okay appreciate it it and let me know what you decide you know ping ping the podcast or uh let me know somehow okay thanks for