[Music] once again innocent victims gunned down we have been through this too many times and then legislation voted down how could they vote that way never is not supposed to tell you what to do all the while the gun lobby grows stronger from my cold dead tonight frontline takes you inside the politics and the power of the NRA nothing to do with guns it has to do with freedom tonight's program contains mature content which may not be suitable for all audiences viewer discretion is advised in Tucson it was a beautiful crisp clear blue sky with a few puffy white clouds it was the perfect January morning 40 year old Arizona Congresswoman Gabby Giffords was about to meet constituents at an outdoor shopping center I went to thank her for her being kind of a Blue Dog Democrat and really working for the people and not for the lobbyists her first person she met with was a young man that was in the Army Reserve she took some pictures with him that was the last picture taken of her before she was before she was shot he shot Gabby from about three feet away right in the middle the left side of her forehead he had a nine-millimeter Glock in his hand and a 33 round magazine in it there was bang and then a slight pause and then a continuous bang bang bang bang bang [Applause] empty the magazine in 15 seconds there were 33 wounds from 33 bullets so it looks like every bullet hit a person I could see him advancing quickly I'm thinking I wonder what its gonna feel like how bad it's gonna hurt if he shoots me the killer tried to reload he dropped the high-capacity magazine was tackled and dropped the gun I'm not able to get the gun because it's too far away but I am able to get the magazine that he's pulling out of his pocket there were 19 victims gunned down 13 were rushed to area hospitals six were dead congresswoman Giffords was in critical condition but when I got to the hospital she was just recovering from surgery and you know one point that evening I remember you know one tear coming down her eye it was just one bloody red tear I think that kind of said it all then once again a familiar response a public call for the federal government to just do something something about guns here you have you know one of the Democrats own in Congress being struck down a shooting which showed the week the effect of weak gun laws at the White House initially there was sort of a wait-and-see and I think a lot of it rested on you know to what extent was the president going to be willing to take this up in the wake of the shooting the president was facing a political crisis on an issue most politicians try to avoid [Applause] but this tragedy prompts reflection and debate as it should let's make sure it's worthy of those we have lost people who wanted to do something about guns listened carefully the president was enormous ly compassionate he was enormous ly eloquent but he did everything in his power to avoid using the word gun in the wake of that shooting we may not be able to stop all evil in the world but I know that how we treat one another that's entirely up to us the silence was deafening his gun control ardent supporters were I reached there the degree of fury over this really can't be captured in words but it was never he was never going to do it Washington insiders say his advisers told him the political cost was too great to take on the nation's most powerful lobby the National Rifle Association it was an extraordinary moment and an extraordinary commentary on the advantage that the NRA enjoys and the tilt toward the side of the debate that says there is simply nothing more to be done about regulating the civilian ownership of guns we just we the the issue is off the table without lifting a finger the National Rifle Association had demonstrated its power they are the best equipped most feared special interest group on Capitol Hill I mean they are sort of the gold standard and how to do lobbying work in Washington this is the story of the rise to power of the NRA over the years in the face of violence and tragedy public outrage came up against political reality it's a story that took a dramatic turn in the aftermath of one particular shooting the deadly assault on Columbine High School in Littleton the school surveillance video showed police some of the story terrorized students fled when they heard shooting in the hall 188 rounds then a bomb went off in the cafeteria as the two assailants seen here enter the room and hunt for student victims they had killed 13 unwanted 23 more I was in touch with my wife and she was getting upset because she hadn't heard from Daniel she had gone to one of the places where they were taking students who had escaped and his name was not in the board and she didn't see him he didn't call Tom mousers son Daniel was a sophomore 15 years old studious and quiet by nightfall his parents went home to wait we had to spend that night not knowing if he was dead or alive you cry Laden we tried to sleep I couldn't I went downstairs two levels down from the bedroom and I was crying out and my wife heard me and came down what can you do and you just help it is hopeless FBI documents show the bodies they found in the school library Daniel Mauser was one of them hiding under a table he had been shot point-blank in the face in the days that followed the police gathered evidence including home videos of the attackers and their weapons they had assembled a small arsenal sawed-off shotguns a nine millimeter carbine rifle and a tec-9 pistol with a 30 round magazine the shooters got a friend to buy some of the weapons at a gun show without a background check it would become known as the gun show loophole Columbine is really the ultimate nightmare because Columbine really brought to the surface the idea that a couple of disturbed teenagers if they want to on any given weekend can go to a gun show and assemble the weapons they need to go and take over the school and start shooting everybody at the Colorado State Capitol the anguish over the Columbine massacre turned from in the wake of the shootings thousands of protesters marched in Denver demanding that something anything be done Daniel mousers father joined them I had a sign made at a sign shop with Daniel's picture on it and words my son died to Columbine he would expect me to be here today the protesters had a familiar target the guns something is wrong in this country when a child in grab a gun got grabbed a gun so easily and shoot a bullet into the middle of a child's face as my son experienced it something is wrong the National Rifle Association target of lots as it happened just blocks away the NRA was gathering for its long-planned annual convention inside top executives of the NRA weighed how to respond they issued a public statement of sympathy and then sent out their most famous member Charlton Heston to this day when I would look at Charlton Heston I didn't see the president of the NRA I saw Moses you couldn't have picked a better caricature of who you wanted speaking with that stentorian voice of his America must stop is predictable pattern of reaction when an isolated terrible event occurs our phones ring demanding that the NRA explain the inexplicable why us because their story needs a villain despite the shooting the NRA stayed focused on its core beliefs the base of the National Rifle Association believes so strongly it's more a religion or what a religion used to be there's a passion involved in it the NRA is the closest thing that a membership group can have to just pure patriotism they love their country as long as there's a Second Amendment evil can never conquer us tyranny in any form can never find footing within a society of law-abiding armed ethical people Heston tapped into a fundamental fear of NRA members that the government would use Columbine to restrict and then take away their guns purchases at gun stores start to go up astronomically as people who are thinking about buying a particular gun over the course of the next year or so worried that they may outlaw it I better get it while I can hundreds of thousands of new members signed up for the NRA right after Columbine the gun is a symbol of freedom the only thing that keeps bad government from taking over it really has nothing to do with guns it has to do with freedom do you give your freedom to the government or do you keep it within yourself within your community within your family and that's the broad appeal but for the NRA the gun wasn't always a political issue it had once represented something for hunters and sportsmen this is an organization that back in the 60s was a very team not particularly political organization the NRA was a safety organization they helped people teach their children and their friends and family how to use in store and keep firearms safely then the assassinations of the 60s John F Kennedy Martin Luther King and Robert F Kennedy many American cities erupted into armed conflict in response Congress passed the first comprehensive gun control law in decades effective crime control remains in my judgment effective gun control those were fighting words for some in the NRA the [Applause] 1968 gun control bill banned mail order sales and restricted some purchases and are a people said wait a minute we've got the we got other things to worry about than teaching guys how to shoot or how to hunt and so forth I'll collect guns and that's when that was the transformative period it formally happened in 1977 at the NRA convention in Cincinnati as they got down to business there was a showdown hunters and sportsmen versus gun rights activists the National Rifle Association convention in Cincinnati went into overtime last night a stormy all-night session when it was over some dissident members had taken control of the 400,000 member organization what it means is even stricter support for the right to bear arms and against gun control the core of NRA s-- political support comes from a very conservative Republican group of people they're the ones who give the money they're the ones that that pay the freight for all the political battles and they're very conservative just a few years later another dramatic shoes [Music] you see the president coming out now better shot President Reagan shot in the lung shots and his press secretary James Brady in the hair in the aftermath once again are called to do something although Reagan stayed out of it during his presidency over the years Jim Brady became a powerful symbol a gun control group formed around him and by the time Bill Clinton was elected the movement had found a president willing to take up their cause Clinton cracked down on guns the anti-crime initiative banning the import of assault style handguns the assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill requiring background checks at gun stores it seemed like victory for the anti-gun forces but that's not how the NRA saw I think NRA benefited tremendously through the Clinton years because of the extreme radicalism of the anti-gun column left-wingers I call them regressive not progressives but the anti-gun people it's in combat that the NRA thrives it's with enemies that the NRA is best able to communicate its point of view and above all raise money the President of the United States so near the end of his administration in the wake of Columbine the president would once again take on the NRA you have a unique chance a chance to make sure that the children of Columbine are never forgotten well Columbine was one of those visceral events where people reacted as parents and as people not as politicians and that's how couldn't reacted I mean all he could think about was that could have been my kid behind closed doors Clinton told top advisor Bruce Reed to push more gun restrictions that attacking Columbine was such a shock to the body politic that we felt the country needed to do something a bill to close that gun show loophole was quickly rushed to a vote in the Senate mr. Baucus mr. Hansen as the rule was called the boat became closer and closer your need to break the tie on this vote the yeas are 50 the nays are 50 the Senate being equally divided the Vice President votes in the affirmative and the amendment is agreed to one month after Columbine district the NRA had lost the first round the bill then headed to the republican-controlled House of Representatives and that was where the National Rifle Association would make it stand forty nine-year-old Wayne LaPierre led the NRA Wayne LaPierre is the NRA he built the NRA into what it is today in the 1970s he started as a lobbyist if you're a political junkie like Wayne or like myself it was a wonderful job you're working with all these people and having these fights and you're cutting your teeth but Lapierre was no one's idea of a glad-handing lobbyist he was a very quiet man I was amazed he was a lobbyist because he did not have the hail-fellow-well-met attitude a personality that I associated with politicians all with lobbyists and surprisingly for the NRA he was not a gun enthusiast more comfortable on K Street than in a duck blind the safest place you could be with Wayne and a gun back then was in a different state because he really did not know anything about guns politics yes guns No and inside the fractious politics of the NRA Lapierre was skillful navigating between the sportsman and the gun rights activists plane could put a finger to the wind and see which way it were blowing and he would position himself so that neither side would be offended and might even think that he were in fact on that side in an organization that is so beset by factionalism he's being unmoored to any particular point of view is actually very helpful for him in terms of being able to ride the torrents that have occasionally swept through the NRA and emerged always on top during the early battles with the Clinton administration those political skills were put to the test in an effort to energize the gun rights activists he released this incendiary fundraising letter that the semi-auto ban gives jackbooted government thugs more power to take away our constitutional rights break in our doors seize our guns destroy our property and even injure or kill us aren't you concerned when you say Nazi bucket helmets government thugs kicking down doors killing maiming people aren't you inciting people aren't you going now to apologize for the tone of this letter those words are not far in fact they're a pretty close description of what's happening in the real world and in response to that many mainstream Republicans George HW Bush being the leading example said this is not the NRA I'm a member of President Bush resigned his lifetime membership in the NRA President Clinton lined up the leadership of the National Rifle Association in his crosshairs today and are a fundraising letter calling federal ATF Asians quote Jack before long Lapierre was forced to backtrack lane right up front why the apology well area if you say something and you offend people and he didn't mean to what you do is you apologize we never meant that letter to broad brush all of federal law enforcement all of B ATF or all of law enforcement in general but to the NRA s hardliners Lapierre was showing weakness bad move there was a big uproar from the NRA membership over that the membership wanted a tough guy the membership wanted somebody that drew a red line who didn't compromise who didn't cave and so in the spring of 1999 as Clinton's proposal to close that gun show loophole now moved from the Senate to the house Lapierre made a fundamental decision he would stand to see as the president now dusting off every tired old gun control bill that's been around his administration for the last six years the NRA needed to go and show that it could stand up to the president that it could stand up and it could it could toe-to-toe meet him in the ring and bash his brains out the NRA counter-attack began by sounding the alarm to its members wayne lapierre executive vice president of the National Rifle Association this year more than ever your vote really can make a difference within days members received this fax from NRA headquarters the clinton-gore administration isn't wasting any time attempting to further its aggressive anti-gun agenda fear is a much greater motivator in American politics than anything else the fear of losing rights that you perceive you have when that fear level is high that's when the groups that represent the issue do well the NRA turned loose their members flooding congressional officers with telephone calls and letters you don't need thousands of people and you don't need millions of dollars you need hundreds of people who will get on the phone and really a couple hundred people to show up at a town-hall meeting you do that a couple of times and your member of Congress gets the message I'm Charlton Heston we need your help to protect our the NRA is membership if it had one political trait they vote it's that simple you are a politician you want to get elected you want votes in Ras votes those in favor of the amendment will say aye those opposed will say no members will record their votes by electronic device after the NRA lobbying blitz the White House came up 22 votes when I saw that after this horrific tragedy despite everything that people say about we have to do something to prevent this from happening again when they couldn't do something as basic as that I was livid [Music] one year after Columbine it was time for another NRA national convention the National Rifle Association of America your president charlton heston they had overwhelmed the Clinton administration and successfully demonstrated their power in Congress it had been a very good year for the NRA the NRA is back [Music] and now the NRA would take the offensive that leads me to that one mission that is left undone winning in November the race between George W Bush and Al Gore that's the last year that the gun issue played a critical role in American politics now it was time to settle a score with a man who had broken that tie vote in the Senate Al Gore I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed and especially for you mr. gore from my cold dead hands they would spend 20 million dollars on the 2000 election the most aggressive political campaign they had ever undertaken Al Gore wants government testing licensing and registration for all firearms owners he cast the vote that would have shut down every gun show this year won't freedom first because if Al Gore wins wins because it's patient and because long after America's dismay about these gun masters has faded the NRA and its membership are still thinking about guns good evening everybody and welcome to our election coverage 2000 stay with us we're about to take you on an exciting and bumpy ride on the night of the election it all came down to a handful of critical states one of the first to go was Ohio and they went almost 60% for George W Bush George W Bush gets West Virginia West Virginia which has been solidly in the Democratic column for a long long time Bill Clinton's home state has gone dark I saw six electoral votes and they go for Bush and even Al Gore's home state of Tennessee embarrassing Vice President Gore by snatching his state's 11 electoral votes Al Gore lost his home state lost West Virginia these are states that he should have won at any of those states gone the other way Al Gore would have been president Florida goes bush the presidency is bush that's it in Washington they say the NRA was a decisive factor in Al Gore's defeat in no small measure it was that fight over guns after Columbine that had the firearm community war enlivened engaged and a few votes difference in Florida and the whole thing would have gone the other way i George Walker Bush do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States george w bush's inauguration would mark the beginning of a decade where gun control was off the agenda in washington the assault weapons ban would expire the supreme court would rule that individuals had a constitutional right to own guns Congress would pass a law to protect gun makers from lawsuits the gun control forces were left in disarray gun control movement is fragmented you don't have what you need to mount a true movement which is committed warriors people who don't need money who don't need fancy galas who come out because they care that's what the gun people have for the NRA it was total victory [Music] and I'm located mergency Hook school I think there's somebody shooting in here Sandy Hook school eleven years later 154 rounds from a bushmasters semi-automatic rifle it was Friday morning December 14 it's still happening it lasted less than six months this time it was six and seven year levels no fire you guys come in my room now get in here okay well they're still shooting going on please I need I need assistance immediately hostility home shooting twenty children and six adults were shot outside it was chaos they were just more emergency vehicles and personnel helicopters then I'd ever seen in my life I couldn't I just it was a surreal scene I just couldn't believe it mark Barden son Daniel was a first grader at Sandy Hook elementary more and more the kids were being collected by their families and no Daniel there was this growing group of parents that were growing again concerned where where's my child Nicole Hawk Lee's son Dylan was another first grader at Sandy Hook I saw some first graders but couldn't they were all sitting down but I couldn't see Dylan's class you know and you're searching searching the eyes searching the faces for someone that you recognize and I just I couldn't they told us that if you haven't been Reena reunited with your loved one yet you're not going to me so that that was just and the room just erupted but even then I still didn't believe that Dylan was dead because none of it made any sense whatsoever this is a school he's her first grade kids this doesn't happen [Music] you see on his face the the pain and the and the angst and the president said there was the saddest day of his presidency Newtown had the same impact on Barack Obama to Columbine it had on Bill Clinton what happened in Newtown broke his heart it was devastating for everybody the majority of those who died today were children beautiful little kids between the ages of five and ten years old [Music] they had their entire lives ahead of them birthdays graduations weddings kids of their own you could see when he spoke just how sickened he was by the whole thing [Music] as a country we have been through this too many times may God bless the memory of the victims and in the words of spritzer heal the brokenhearted and bind up their wounds this time Obama decided to try to do something like if this isn't going to do it then what is and so they know they had to act quickly because you have to capture that concern and that attention that the issue is getting he handed the job to Vice President Joe Biden and told the staff to make something happen it was in the context of sorrow extreme I mean anger and frustration about why can't we do something about this it was like enough is enough is enough put together something for me Joe this time it was also a crisis for Wayne LaPierre within the inner circles of the NRA the wives of senior NRA officials shedding tears and saying to their husbands that something has to happen you have to do something different honey his advisors wanted him to lie low but Lapierre had a very different idea expecting trouble he hired personal security guards and headed into Washington without telling anyone Lapierre himself staged a press conference in Washington DC the media gathered many expected a chastened and conciliatory Lapierre I think there was an assumption that that surely he's gonna throw the gun safety advocates and for that matter the Newtown parents some kind of bone but Lapierre had something else in mind the only way the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun and he almost immediately goes right back to what they usually say which is that the answer to this is more guns what if when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday he'd been confronted by qualified armed security his comments are aimed directly at the gun owners of America to rile them up to get them behind the NRA s no-holds-barred never-say-die you know no compromise position our children we as a society leave them every day utterly defenseless and the monsters and the Predators of the world know it and exploit it in Washington they said the speech was a political disaster in New York City Lapierre was called the craziest man on earth and a gun nut but those who know Lapierre say the speech was no miscalculation this was not off-the-cuff he didn't lose it this was very thought out and they decided on a strategy and they executed the strategy because the people that it resonated with gave more money and this is what you need to do in order to keep that that tough persona and we've got to send the signal that this is not the time to compromise that Obama is the enemy and they want to take your guns away yes it's too bad about the the kids but we are not going to back down in Newtown once again out of grief an impromptu political movement was forming the neighbors were determined to do everything within their power to make a difference we created a name for our group Sandy Hook promise we then developed a promise which is the essence of what we believe must be done I just had no idea what to do I didn't know anything about gun violence I didn't know anything about politics we don't really know what we're gonna do or we don't really have an agenda we're not sure what it wants to be yet they began by talking to experts the very first thing I said to them in our very first meeting was you are about to wade into the roughest waters and pull in American politics nothing is nastier than the gun debate and they had what I think any reasonable expectation be is we have just been through the worst gun event in the history of the United States and something surely is going to change some of the families wanted to push to outlaw the types of weapons used in the Sandy Hook shooting high-capacity magazines and assault weapons but the seasoned veterans of the political gun wars delivered a dose of reality but I knew and was able to impart eventually to them was that a new assault weapons ban was not going to happen that there was basically no appetite for that in Congress that the high-capacity clip ban made sense but probably also was politically impossible in part because there just were so many high-capacity clips in circulation you can buy them on the internet for $10 I was a an unfortunate learning for me and that you know there's going to be a resistance of this they were told the very best they could hope for was expanding background checks closing that gun show loophole and even that would be an uphill battle in memory of those and in tribute to their families I ask that you please join me now in a brief moment of silence reality was setting in at the White House too as Christmas approached Joe Biden's task force debated how to respond some worried the President himself would be a liability since the president's trust with Republicans was already so damaged from health care from the fiscal cliff fights and from all the other fights he'd had with them if he were to say I want you to do this and I want you to do that it would have been dead immediately because most Republicans didn't want anything to do with something that he supported what the White House needed was someone from Congress who could try to find middle ground in the highly polarized world of gun politics as your senator I'll protect our Second Amendment rights that's why the NRA endorsed me I'll take on Washington and this administration to get federal government off of our backs out of our pockets and I'll take dead aim at the cap-and-trade bill Joe mentioned an a-rated NRA member and junior senator from West Virginia was shaken by the Newtown shootings it really got to me these are babies five and six-year-old children who have ever it's just beyond my imagination most Americans - concedes anything this horrific could happen in America light bulbs went off at the Capitol Harry Reid's Pete and Chuck Schumer and their aides realized wait a second we now have a Democrat with an A rating from the NRA saying he wants to do something mansions plan was to draft a simple bill that would require background checks at thousands of gun shows were a significant number of sales take place he hoped that even the NRA would be on board so Manson's argument to the NRA is look this is you'll never find a gun safety bit of legislation that is this gun friendly as this and and all we're really doing is closing a loophole I felt this would be something that they would embrace it was truly a time that Wayne LaPierre and an array the leadership could have rose to another level complete another level with polls showing wide public support for expanding background checks Manchin and the Vice President figured they had a chance I was optimistic over 91% of the American people supported expanding background checks eighty percent of the households that had an NRA member supported it at first there was hope Lapierre might go along with a bill the NRA went to meetings with Manchin they made some suggestions on some wording and changes from that standpoint so yes they had input and we valued that input we're starting to see almost a a glimmer of possibility in Washington where the NRA is at least talking to Manchin but many in the gun rights community were furious at the talk of compromise the two small groups of gun owners in America and the National Association of gun rights began to circulate letters saying we hear that the NRA is compromising with Manchin there and they used that war the dreaded c-word that there's a compromise bill larry pratt was the executive director of Gun Owners of America representing 300,000 of the most fervent gun rights activists the Manchin bill was not aiming at loopholes it was aiming at nailing down some remaining freedom that American people have gun control simply kills people and for Senator Manchin to waive the bloody shirts of those children from Newtown is despicable pratt quickly issued an alert to his members warning them about the NRA stalks with mentioned we put out an alert saying please if you belong to the NRA call this guy at this number and ask him to urge the powers that be to oppose the bill at NRA headquarters they got the message the NRA s main anxiety at that moment is not losing is not seeing something enacted it's not looking soft to their own membership and to the substantial number of Americans who probably number in the millions who think the NRA is not tough enough in the middle of April the NRA pulled out of the talks suddenly the NRA stopped cooperating with Manchin stopped returning their emails stop calling Lapierre launched a full-scale assault on the legislation remember this T V and even went after senator Matheson protect our Second Amendment rights that was joe Manchin's commitment but Mangin is working with President Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg concerned you should be senator Manchin was vilified by the NRA it was almost like a personal vendetta so they Dana they shoot up one of their own there's stupid absolutely stupid the NRA activated its playbook denouncing the legislation alerting its members and threatening lawmakers you can deal with anything you know upfront you're dealing with I knew they were not going to be supportive I was fine with them I didn't know that they would be in opposition as strong as they wouldn't come out as strong as they did but the Democrats had a secret weapon and one day she appeared on Capitol Hill Gabby Giffords Giffords had been pro-gun the proud owner of a Glock 17 handgun we must do something it's will be hard but the time is now you must act be bold be courageous Americans are counting on you thank you this is a day for new gun control legislation for Senate's taken today on the gun safety legislation embers in the family in the gallery today as parents of them looking on sitting in the gallery watching the vote I was so anxious and I genuinely thought we were going to be okay Golden Rule it would be close but I thought it would go through of five key senators would decide the matter none of them would agree to talk to frontline about their position as the roll was called the crucial votes were slipping away I remember sitting there kind of in a daze and that's about all I just I'm sorry that I have such a you know I think my psyche was just kind of letting in little bits at a time it was just also there's such a whirlwind of of craziness for me mr. Schumer mr. Scott mr. sessions mr. Shaheen mr. Shelby also watching in the gallery Tucson survivor Pat mesh it went from being sad to being mad they're all down there in their good-old-boy stance shaking hands chatting on his vote the amendment is not agreed to like people's lives aren't in the balance on this and I just thought they needed to be shamed they should be ashamed of themselves I stood up and said shame on you reorder in the Senate because they needed to be shamed shame on them shame on me if after what I've gotten to witness I choose to be quiet I'm surprised that she was the only one actually that burst out because it was so intense and so charged the gallery will refrain from any demonstration or comment they felt betrayed that's the word betrayed how could they vote that way don't they understand what happened how can they do that how can this be I mean it was disbelief and a sense of betrayal that was the mode mansions bill had fallen five votes short the defeat effectively ended any talk of a national effort at gun control don't were for now and it may be over for a very very long time victory builds the next victory defeat builds the next defeat we can't ever afford to lose one because then we've lost something tangible and essential to the definition of being an American in Washington they say the NRA came out of the shootings at Sandy Hook stronger than ever the NRA plays the game of democracy more effectively than any other influenced group in Washington it is an organization that works the levers of democracy in a way that is not illegal or improper it's just very very effective mark my words the NRA will not go quietly end of a night we will fight either Wayne LaPierre nor any current NRA official would agree to be interviewed for this film [Applause] [Music] for more on this and other frontline programs visit our website at pbs.org slash frontline [Music] frontlines gunned down is available on DVD to order visit shoppbs.org or call 1-800 play PBS Frontline is also available for download on itunes [Music]