Webinar on LPC & SQE by University of Law

good afternoon everybody and welcome to another target jobs webinar today we are joined with the university of law to deliver your webinar on the lpc and the sqa and which you should maybe study this september if you are thinking about becoming a solicitor so if you have any questions along those lines do feel free to pop them down in the question box and below and when jennifer and peter have finished their talk they will take the questions out of there and do their very best to answer them all um joe just to start with i will introduce jennifer jennifer is just going into her third year studying at the university of law we had a quick catch up before the webinar started and she's considering doing a masters after she graduates next summer so i will pass you over to jennifer and thank you all for joining again thanks so much so today we are very fortunate to be joined by the deputy vice chancellor law peter crisp so he read philosophy as an undergraduate before qualifying as a barrister at chancery bar where he specialized in property and land law he then transitioned into the legal education field where he taught on both the gdl and bar courses at the bpp law school he served as the dean and ceo of bpp law school from 2003 to 2017 and his work in this role led to the bpp successfully receiving university status in 2013. since joining the u-law governance team peter has been involved in business development apprenticeships professional development programs and he's also responsible for all of the uwa campuses including hong kong which he set up in 2019 his significant experience in creating bespoke legal education programs makes him an expert on our topic today choosing the lpc or the sqe i will now hand over to peter who will begin my explaining exactly what these two courses are and then we will discuss how to choose the right course for you before finally opening up to questions thanks peter well thanks for jennifer for those very warm world war very warm words of welcome delighted to be here um this afternoon to talk about the lpc and the sqe and the transition to those um i mean i think the first thing i would say is that there is a major change taking place in how people will qualify as solicitors in england and wales and these are changes that the solicitors regulation authority the sra the leicester's regulation authority have introduced um and it's a transitional period so that's why it may be a little confusing for students who are considering what it is they can do what they want to do at the moment the the current traditional route is that everybody has to do what is called the legal practice course the lpc and at the moment that's the compulsory stage of vocational education and training in order to become a solicitor in other words um in order autocomes listed england and wales everybody has to do a legal practice course the legal practice course is um validated by and regulated by the solicitors regulation authorities so the sra sets out the syllabus the content what you study how many exams you do and so on so it's quite a highly structured highly regulated program so for example wherever you study um the uh lpc the legal factors course whether you do it at the university of law or at another institution you everybody will do three compulsory subjects and those three compulsory subjects are business law and practice um property law and practice and litigation which some people call as we do dispute resolution because it's not just litigation it also includes alternative ways of solving disputes such as mediation and arbitration for example but litigation essentially so so wherever you do it you have to do those three subjects and there's no choice in that every everybody's studying business everybody will study property everybody will study litigation um in the same way everybody service studies the skills so skills are a compulsory element of a legal practice course so everybody must study obviously legal writing legal drafting advocacy into viewing advising and of course legal research everybody also studies solicitors accounts so there's certain compulsory subjects that wherever you do the lpc you have to study the lpc also has built within it three elective subjects so the three options that you can choose and this is the only part of the program where students have a choice uh we offer over 17 electives at the university of law so for example if you're going into high street practice you might want to choose doing family law with us you might choose immigration you might choose personal injury and clinical legends and so on perhaps if you were going into a more corporate or city type law firm you might study mergers and acquisitions you might study commercial property or commercial law and so on so there's a whole raft of elective subjects that you can choose to study if you're doing the legal practice course and that obviously should reflect the um type of law firm and the type of areas of law that you want to study what this means is is that anybody who has done the lpc has done exactly the same core as anybody else but when they come to the electives they've been able to tailor the program to the sorts of areas of law that they want to go in so that's in a nutshell is the lpc i think the most important point to note about it um is that if you do it say for example at the university of law the assessments are written by the tutors who are teaching you and they're marked by the tutors who are teaching you if you do another institution you don't do the university of law assessments obviously you do the assessments written and designed and marked by the tutors who are teaching you at that institution so each institution is independently validated by the sra to teach to deliver and to assess the legal practice course um this program's been around for over a quarter of a century um i've known it for a long time it's actually almost 30 years now i think it is um although i never did it of course because i'm a barrister so i obviously did the bar course many years ago um but that in a nutshell is the lpc so if you like arkham i don't think any questions have come in at the moment i'll just double check i don't think when any questions are coming at the moment but if you like jennifer i can move on to sort of contrasting that with the sqe i think that's a great idea yeah slurping t um so the sqe the solicitor's qualifying examination sqe i'm afraid we live in a world of initialisms anachronism so lpc sra sqe so this is the new route qualification that the sra is introducing and it's just starting now um and it's a big contrast in the big change to the current route of qualification which is the legal practice course the lpc very briefly the sra is moving to centrally set assessments which means that if you do the sqe route you won't sit the institution you're sitting at so let's say you're studying at the university of law and you're doing studying the sqe with us we will not be assessing the sqe you will go to it's pearson view so who do the driving tests and all the tests around the country you'll go to pearson view and you will sit centrally set assessments that the sra have set and that's the enormous change in other words although the university of law will be preparing you for those assessments we won't actually be be assessing you the assessments are set centrally by the sra and essentially everybody sits the same set of assessments so um the sra is radically changing the route to qualification through these centrally set assessments the other big change is the nature of the assessments there's two aspects to it there's sqe1 and there's sqe2 very briefly sqe1 assesses what the sra call the foundations of legal knowledge so the f foundations of legal knowledge the basic legal knowledge that the sra has determined that a solicitor needs to know on day one of qualification so what you need to know the basic knowledge that you need and very briefly what that comprises is the compulsory subjects from the undergraduate law degree so in fact things jennifer that you've been studying so contract law tort land law equity and trusts constitution ministry law criminal law and so on so the core subjects from um the llb plus the three compulsory areas from the lpc so business property and litigation in essence so very simply you're assessed in sq-1 on those foundations of knowledge now the big contrast is the way that you're assessed because on the lpc the way we assess it here at the university of law is through written exams through courseworks and so on the sra have chosen that you're only assessed with multiple choice questions so sqe1 comprises nothing but hundreds literally hundreds of multiple choice questions so you'll be asked a multiple-choice question on contract law you'll be um asked a multiple choice question on landlord you'll be asked a multiple choice question on conveyancing on litigation and so on so um it's a quite a high pressured to be honest a way of assessing people because it's just multiple choice questions uh sqe 2 in contrast is the uh the skills area so in sql 2 you're assessed in skills so for example in legal research in legal writing and drafting and so on again you they are done again at pearson view test centers but of course some of those are online such as legal writing and drafting but obviously some such as advocacy and interviewing and advising will be done in person so it will depend upon the nature of the assessment so very simply sq1 knowledge areas the knowledge the basic knowledge that you need multiple choice questions the skills assessed through um a variety of different assessments would it be opportunity just to take the um two questions that have come in i don't know if you want to do that now jennifer um sure well we've got some questions on essentially which is better and which one you should do so um i think before we answer those more um i think one of the questions a lot of us kind of worry about is how difficult the sqe exams are yeah that's very that's a very good question yeah i mean how challenging are they um it's very difficult to tell at the moment because all we have at the moment is is the results from sq won the national results and that was around about 55 percent password so quite a low pass rate for sq1 but it was very small numbers um and the type of student who was sitting that were not lpc students because obviously people who can do the lpc are currently going to be doing the lpc uh and frankly that that's my advice if you're eligible to the lpc then my advice is do the lpc this september because the sqe at the moment is a bit of an unknown although students some students have now sat sqe 2 as well the results for those won't be out until august so we'll know mid-august results for those um i suspect that a lot of students will find doing 360 multiple choice questions actually quite challenging so my advice at the moment is that if you are eligible to do the lpc this is what i would do personally this is not the university of law devices my personal advice is i would probably do the lpc because it's something that it's a known quantity um and certainly if you look at results of a recent survey of law firms the vast majority of law firms are saying to their future trainees do the lpc this september don't do the sqa um law firms are going to transition to sqe next year 2023 and then in 2024 so look what the profession is doing they're saying actually do the lpc this year and i think that's probably sound advice because as i say the pass rate for the first round of um skv one was was was a was about 55 i think it was 54 something like that and we haven't got any results yet from sqe 2. so we don't know how challenging students are going to find um sqe 2. so um at the moment um i i think um the juror is out on how challenging it is i mean on the lpc at the university of law we get over a 90 pass rate you know so students are highly successful on the legal practice course it's tried and tested you know um and i think law firms really respect it what they do because it does prepare people very well for um um for practice i think the one big drawback of doing the sqe is that there's no options there's no elective content so for example you know you're going into high street practice and you want to pronounce the family law you want to do some immigration you want to do some personal injury none of that is covered by sqe because i said sqe is just the foundations of legal knowledge the core staff from the llb and then the compulsory subjects from um the lpc so if you've just done sqe1 you'd know nothing about immigration law nothing about personal injury nothing about um employment law or family or whatever it was wanted to do and certainly if you're going into a city law firm it's inconceivable that they would want you arriving on day one in in in the law firm knowing nothing for example about mergers and acquisitions which is obviously for many law city law firms is the bread and butter or the work they do so i think that's one of the drawbacks for for doing sq consuming sqe was lpc you've got choices within the options within the electives so thanks i think that's a good time to um add in question here so maria has asked um which i think is kind of two questions first of all if she hasn't secured a training contract should she still maybe should someone still do the lpc this year while it's still available and i think the other part of that question is if you haven't secured a training contract is maybe doing the sqe better for future jobs or yeah this is this is a very good question because the heart of the question i think maria what you're asking is is will there be training contracts available within the next couple of years the answer to that yes there will be because um law firms will be offering training contracts over the next two to three years the issue is at what point the training contracts cease and they're then replaced by the qualifying work experience which i think jennifer we're going to come on to in a moment isn't it the quality which is the the compulsory stage of training on the job as it were just i want to explain to people on the call that on the webinar that following the lpc there's a compulsory two years of a training contract which i think as most people will know you do within the law firm and typically the it's divided into four seats so you might spend you know one seat doing commercial property you might spend another seat doing employment you move around the law firm getting different experiences in different departments that that goes with um the sqe and it's replaced by qualifying work experience which we're going to come on to talk to talk about in a moment which is much more flexible um but obviously if you've done the lpc then you have to do a training contract so my advice is if you haven't got a training contract at the moment is do the lpc this year because there will be training compacts available over the next two years i think if we were running this webinar this time next year in 2023 my advice would be will be less certain um you know but this year i am confident that the world will be training contracts available for the next two years absolutely wonderful so why don't we i do see the questions coming in and i will we'll get to them but i think it makes sense with what we were just speaking on to talk about um exactly that what is qualifying work experience under the sqe yeah um so you have to do just to explain you've got to do sqe1 yeah you've got to pass that and then you sqe2 and that's actually a rule you can't sit sq e2 until you've sat and passed sqe once you had to get the results successful results from sq1 then you set sqe2 in addition to that you also have to have two years qualifying work experience i'm afraid it's another initialism or acronym qwe um and uh in essence this is equivalent to the training contract i mean it's very similar to the training conflict and it's two years but it's much more um flexible you've got to do it in legal work and in a business that's doing the provision of legal services but it doesn't have to be in a law firm it doesn't have to be necessary you could in principle do it in any business or indeed in a charity for example that offered legal work and the provision of legal um services as long as you when you're doing that work you're developing your competence as a solicitor um so for example you could do it in a law center you could do it in a legal clinic in an academic academic institution uh and uh for example the university of law is offering um qualifying work experience one and we're guaranteeing at least one month's qualifying work experience qwe to every student who does one of our qualifying work one of ice qe masters programs if you do one of our rescue masters programs with us we guarantee you one month qualifying work experience and that can count towards your qualifying the two the two years it's one month gone um i think the reality is is that most um trainees will probably do most of their um qualifying work experience in one institution you can move around and you can have up to four institutions you know law firms businesses institutions and so on charities for example law centers where you could do the qualifying work experience and build up a portfolio of it i think most people will probably do it in one or two yeah rather than moving around but i think what the sra wanted to do was to introduce of maximum flexibility to people so that they had this portfolio experience and this mosaic of different experiences um doing qualifying work experience now again there's no minimum length of time for how what qualify so in theory you could just do a day's qualifying work experience in fact we we thought at the university of law that a month was the minimum that would be sensible and i think most charities businesses law firms would say yeah that that is right um so qualifying work experience the replacement for the training contract very similar in that you're getting um you know on-the-job training and experience but much more flexible than the current um training contract regime wonderful um so taking a look at these questions i think it makes sense to start to move into the how do students choose section um yeah i mean yeah i i think it's so difficult to know what the right thing is i mean how do they choose between lpc and sqe or yeah well well i say if you if you had started an llb or a gdl by september last year september 2021 you're entitled to do the lpc yeah so if you're currently in an llb and you're currently doing a gdl then you are allowed to do the lpc or the sqc you do have a choice yeah obviously if you started the llb or um gdl in january this year you've got no choice yeah you've got to do the sqe so it really depends upon your starting point so jennifer you you are able to do the lpc if you chose to do so yeah you could you could do it um my advice is if you're eligible to do the lpc this september i i would choose the lpc i think that's because the as i said earlier it's a tried and tested route it's well respected by the profession and law firms it gives you the options that many law firms want you know so you've got specialisms in the areas that the law firms practice in um and you know the pass rates are are you know are very solid people get through you know some a student working consistently and efficiently will get through the lpc and will qualify so that would be my advice as i say this time next year we'll do a rain check because obviously by that point we'll have more results from sqe1 and we'll have our first set of results from sqe2 um and also law firms as i said are transitioning over the next two years so most law firms will this september will be requiring their students to do the lpc now this isn't a question that's come up but just out of curiosity do you think there is a preference for law firms or employers on one or the other at this point yeah the clear steer that we have from the from the research that it was it was a a survey done in conjunction with with legal cheek uh and uh most law firms were not going to switch to sqe until next year 2023 or 2024 and i've got the data in front of me 36 said they would do it in 23 42 in 2024 yeah um 18 said they'd switch in 2025. so we we're seeing a pattern where you know a third are doing it next year you know a bit more than a third of 24 the remainder of 2025. i certainly think by 2025 nearly all law firms would have switched to sqe which means that the training contracts will start to start to disappear by 2025 and it would qualify and work experience wonderful um okay i think we should go over one or two other things before we take some questions certainly um one of the things what are the costs and what about funding yeah it's a very good question um because uh perhaps watchers go back to how do you study and how do you prepare for sqe1 and what are the costs of doing so at the moment the legal practice course you can do it in london you can do it around the country and with you with university of law you can do it online as well so there's lots of options um available for an lpc we offer it part-time part-time day part-time evening part-time weekend and full-time so there's a huge amount of flexibility and choice i think for an lpc perspective lpc um um student you know the university of doors you know jennifer's got we've got 15 campuses around the country you can even do it in hong kong should you be living in hong kong so i think um for the lpc student there's a lot of choice but it's also clear that you've got to do one that you've got to do in lpc and you've got to do it with a provider that is recognized and validated by the sroi by the business regulation authority the picture is is much more um fluid with the sqe because the sq the sra is not saying to students how you should prepare for sqe1 or sqe2 it's entirely up to the individual student is to how they choose so the sra is not validating a particular preparation course rescue one or a particular preparation immigration course for sqe2 so it's entirely up to the students as to how they decide to prepare for the sqe assessments so in theory if you wanted to you could buy a lot of textbooks go into a dark room and put a towel over your head and just study for sqe1 now i think the reality is is that very very few students would choose to study and prepare for a high stakes assessment such as sqe one in that way so most students are going to choose some sort of preparation course for both sq1 and sqe2 my advice is to consider a preparation a provider which also offers additional content in addition to sq1 and sqe2 because as i said earlier most law firms and the university of law works with over 60 law firms exclusively as a provider of the legal practice course for example most law firms do not want to lose the electives the elected content from the lpc if you're going into a city law firm as i said earlier it's inconceivable that you could turn up on day one knowing nothing about mergers and acquisitions nothing about debt finance banking for example because again this is the bread and butter of any city law firm likewise if you're going into a you know a large high street practice which does a lot of family law how can you turn up on day one never having studied family law never know knowing nothing about it or know nothing about employment law or immigration and so on and therefore i think i would seriously consider choosing a provider that offers you both preparation for sqe1 for sqe 2 but also this additional elective content the university of law we called it our sqe plus program and other providers call it something else but it baits basically the additional content from the lpc and we've put that together as a masters program and that of course because it's a master's program it attracts um student loan company funding so you may be entitled you will be entitled to apply to the slc to get funding for that program whereas if you just go to a provider that just does sqe1 prep or sqe2 prep obviously there's no slc funding available for that program so that's one of those two advantages of doing say a masters and sqe masters you do preparation for sqe1 you do preparation to rescue e2 you do the additional content that the profession and the law firms want and you um can apply for an slc loan a student loan as well so that's quite attractive the other thing though to bear in mind of course when you're looking at pricing and costs of all of this is of course that because you know for example university of law is not assessing sqe1 yeah you have to pay the sra to suggest we won yeah i'm sorry about this you have to pay the sra to sit sp1 and pay the sra to see sqe2 as well um so there are additional costs the cost of sqe one is 1622 pounds so 1622 and the cost of sitting sqe 2 at the moment is 2493. so it's it's it's basically 1600 pounds and two and a half thousand pounds yeah so that's quite a lot of money on top so you might want to think about um where you study um online might be an option for you um but i think uh uh you you do need to do do the math on this and do the sums on this because clearly on top of the whatever provider you choose um you've also got to pay the sra's fees as well for sitting those um assessments so uh i i hope that was clear to everybody i think so yeah um i think a question that kind of aligns with that is here and it says can i start the lpc this september while undergoing my master's program okay it depends what what what the question uh means um if you're doing the lpc my advice is that's all you do yes i mean it's if you're doing it click if you're doing it full-time or even part-time it's a very full-on program and it really is a demanding program um because you've got the three compulsories the five skills the additional elective content and so on you have to study um and so it is it is a very important um uh um program that you study you study and you give your full attention to so my advice is do not be doing something else on the side like such as another master's degree yeah if you're doing the lpc that's all you should be doing if you are studying this this september of course many providers are number one so a few providers such as the university of law also deliver the lpc as a master's program so we also have the lpc available as a master's program so you either can study more law with that with us or you can do our master's program which produces an llm or you can do um business and finance and strategy as part of our program and you end up with an msc in business in law business and management so there are a number of options in which you can do the lpc as a master's program and obviously you you do that in tandem and that and obviously that program is designed and paced in order for you to qualify um what in order to complete the lpc but also to get your qualification your master's qualification as well wonderful okay so do you want to keep taking some questions yes i mean i think the one from jemima was an interesting one what if you do an lpc but can't secure a training contract over the next two years so jerome is asking us i've done the lpc this september i started september i completed it finished it successfully next summer but over the next two years i don't get a training contract you can still do qualifying work experience but at the moment the sr is saying you've got to do sqe2 yeah so you have to do the skills program the skills element again some all of which you fact you will have done on the lpc but they're requiring you to do it direct rescue e2 so um i i suppose that actually is one reason for producing the lpc this september because it keeps your options open doesn't it you can you know you can still do a training contract if one comes along in two years over the next two years but if you can't get a training contract you can then switch to doing qwe by completing sqe 2. yeah that's a good one and we have a question here from angela who asked about the qualifying work experience does that take place alongside of the studying durian during the sqe prep courses that's a very good question angela it can do i mean to be clear that under the sra's regulations for the sqe yes you can do qualifying work experience before you start studying or afterwards and so on in other words because it's a sort of a mosaic or portfolio of experiences that can build a qualifying work experience you could get qualifying work experience before you've actually started studying sqe so there's no requirement about when you do it i think as i said earlier i think the majority of trainees the vast majority will do the traditional route which is doing the qualifying work experience after they've done sqe um but you yes you could do it alongside all i would say with that is is is i wouldn't underestimate at the moment the demands made by sqe or the demands of doing qualifying work experience so if you're working full time and you're doing qualifying work experience and you're also studying part-time for the sqe that's probably quite a heavy load um and it's not for me to say whether somebody's got the you know the drive and the determination to do that or the capacity to do that but i think that needs quite a lot of careful thought and it's also the question of what your employer wants as well i mean that route is is common for apprentices and that's how apprentices study of course and we have a five and a half year six-year apprenticeship route in which apprentices do exactly that they are four days in the office and one day studying and they sit sqe and so on and obviously they get their qualifying work experience working and studying at the same time but that's over a long period of time um i think angela the point the question is you know could you do that over one year or two years yes you can but the question is what does your employer want to do yeah and also don't underestimate the demands of studying sqe wonderful so i think we've got a question here um kind of a more personal question but you mentioned before about how there are electives with some of them so samaya asks students who want to go for criminal law is there an advantage of one over the other and we can extend that obviously to a particular any particular form no the answer in short there isn't because both um the lpc route and the uh sqe route have criminal litigation as compulsive elements litigation and evidence criminal litigation and evidence are compulsory on both lpc and sqe what is missing i suppose from the sqe is for example our advanced commercial our advanced criminal litigation module that we offer as an elective so so you do the basics of criminal litigation and evidence you wouldn't do any advanced study i suppose um so the lpc probably if you're going into criminal parties probably has a slight edge over the sqe but you will study criminal litigation and evidence on both lpc and sqe wonderful um let's see here so i think we answered honestly first question about preparation for both parts of the assessment and how to choose a provider because i think we spoke on choosing when maybe you can get funding for that kind of questions i think we're good there i mean the other thing i would say is you also look at your your providers employability service as well because obviously if you come to the provider without um a training contract you know what's their employability rates like do do people go to that provider get good jobs what support can they give you and i think that's a really important one do they have good pro bono activities because again if you're building up a cv you want to make sure that you've got work experience and pro bono is a fantastic way of getting it as i say we're offering every every person who does an sqe masters with us guaranteed qualifying work experience that's also something that you could consider as well so i think it's not just about the quality of the of the uh what happens in the classroom and that's important obviously really important but it's also what happens outside of the classroom so employability pro bono and so on okay so two questions here um are just about international recognition do you know if either of these has recognition as a qualifying course outside of the uk yes i mean some jurisdictions do recognize the lpc and sqe but but it will vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction i think samayas asked will we qualify to work this in the gulf after doing either either of these that that will depend upon your employer but the answer in brief is typically yes you you may well be able to work in the gulf uh having qualified as a solicitor in england and wales and there are lots of you know english solicitors you know practicing you know in other jurisdictions in other countries yeah yeah okay and we have a question here from temi lo lua i hope i said that right um who asked which is better for a foreign qualified solicitor with work experience from a common law jurisdiction that's an easy one sqe yeah so if you are qualified solicitor uh with work experience with a common law jurisdiction then you should do the sqe yeah absolutely we have a special course at the university of law design for exactly that sort of candidate it's a 40-week course so it's designed for somebody who is working say full-time within a law firm because they're a qualified lawyer already from another jurisdiction and they can do our 40-week course we have a 40-week course designed specifically for that type of candidate yeah so sqe is the answer for that one okay and ambola asks again um will the lpc be the same step set up next september so will it continue in its current form until it's rolled out yes uh absolutely i mean in in theory the sk the the lpc could continue until 2032 which does seem an awfully long way off i mean a decade away that's the sort of the long stop that the sra have put in i think the reality by that point if the university of law is still off in the lpc which is we probably won't be it will be online so one so at some point in the near future andrea what's going to happen is that the lpc will go entirely online because there won't be enough candidates to justify doing it face to face i suspect that will happen after about 2026 yeah i suppose i suspect from that point onwards it'll probably become an entirely online program but i mean who can tell certainly next this september will be it's absolutely it's available face-to-face online full-time part-time you know it's running as normal this september it'll be the same in september 2023 and probably almost certainly in september 2024 after that it's it's harder to say but yeah but for the next two to three years it will be available um in person face-to-face on campus absolutely okay so on that grounds um sumaya just asks so is the lpc safer than the el or sorry is the sqe safer than the lpc for students who are graduating next year um if you're graduating next year so you graduate from the llb or in in um summer 2023 um again my view is that the lpc still has a lot of currency in it and i i think because um only about a third of law firms are transitioning next year uh it will still be a safe bet to do the lpc in in september 2023 absolutely um um but as i say uh i i think we'll run the webinar again next year and we'll have more information about that stage too that's better to advise okay and so on that angela asks um can you explain a bit more about vocation schemes for the lpc um well vacation schemes are are run by law firms uh and so essentially what it is is an opportunity to spend a week or two or sometimes only a matter of sometimes just a few days within a within a law firm um getting to know and under the skin of that law from the type of work that they do and most nearly all large law firms offer some type of vacation experience you have to apply for it and it can be often typically particularly in popular law firms in big law firms it's quite competitive um but it is really valuable and work experience so i would i would certainly if you can do a vacation scheme of some sort it is fantastic work experience and looks great on your cv and is is any of that work experience impacted by the sqe or the lpc no not not really because um law firms you usually use work experience as some type of recruitment process yes it's often part of the recruitment process it doesn't necessarily so it will vary from law firm to law firm quite a lot of law firms use it part of the recruitment process yeah okay oscar here asks what about if you're a non-law student is there a better option then and then how does the gdl affect the situation yeah absolutely so um again the sra are not telling people to do conversion courses yeah so there's no the moment if you're a history graduate or you've been studying maths or science whatever you know you've got to do some type of graduate diploma in law and the number of programs available um from institutions including from obviously from the university of law so you've got at the moment you've got to do a gdl under the new sqe route there is no requirement from the sra that you do a gdl however in the survey that i sort of mentioned earlier 85 percent of law firms who were surveyed 85 percent said they would require non-law graduates to take a conversion course to do a gdl of some sort so despite the fact the sra is not making it compulsory anymore it's optional um 85 percent of law firms are saying no actually you should do this i think it's useful just to pause and reflect as to why law thumbs are saying that the sra is not saying don't do one they're just saying it's not compulsory so if you choose again to go into a darkened room and mug up a load of contract law and thoughts that matter for you again i think most of us will find the easier to study contracts taught landlord equity and trusts either on a law degree or on some sort of formal gdl program um so the sra is just simply not prescribing how you do how you prepare but clearly in sqe1 you've got to be able to answer questions on contract law on tort and so on now although we know our sql and prep course will revise those areas yeah it's assuming that you come with that core knowledge yeah so if you haven't done an llb you haven't done a gdl i think you will find an sqe one preparation program quite challenging yeah and clearly the profession is saying do a gdl if you're a non-law student not a non-law graduate okay great okay so we've got a great question here does online work experience count as qualifying work experience for the sqe like virtual internships or like moses said a virtual vacation scheme i've never been asked that question before jennifer i don't know the answer my instinct is to say no it doesn't it has to be in person but i would need i i'm i'm fairly confident that is the correct answer but it is something that i need to um confirm um yeah so my instinct is to say no you have to have an in-person placement yeah face-to-face placement and that online experience does not count but i will i will get back and and double check that one um because very some questions i've not been asked before because you're right obviously because obviously you could be doing um i suppose online you know um you know yeah work i mean it's i mean i i suppose during covid the answer must have been yes if you're working from home you know um everybody was working online during the pandemic whether you're a student whether you're you know something like me you know a member of faculty in university you know we were all work working online um i certainly think that the uh sra is expecting people to be working in person rather than you know and you might you might have two days a week working at her working from home but i would expect they would expect you to be in the office but that's an interesting question i will double check could you do a qwe 100 online um yeah very good question well we'll add another tricky question which asks can i do the qualifying work experience abroad yes you can yeah it doesn't have to be done in this country yeah in principle it can be done anywhere you know in the world and i think the reality is is that most qwe will be done in england wales but you could do it in scotland you could do it in northern ireland and you could you could do it abroad yes it doesn't have to be done in this country you know what what what you do have to do of course is to be is to get a solicitor to sign off and to recognize the qualifying work experience that you do yeah so um obviously uh you've got to find a law firm that's prepared to recognize the work that you've done which probably yeah never tried to drop it so for example you know you know a lot a lot of students at the moment get their training contract experience abroad or at least six months because a lot of a number of large law firms for example offer a second yeah so you can go to new york or to hong kong or you could pre-code anywhere before probably you could certainly spend six months abroad you know working for your law firm abroad and that would qualify as as a training contract likewise people got to comments within industry and within sectors in this country so you know a law firm might well send you to a client for three months yes and you work for that client for three months that again counts towards qualifying work experience so it's actually quite flexible great okay so we've got another personal question here so wanting some advice an international student who's just about to finish the llm and they want to know if they should focus on getting a paralegal job or prepare to write the exams before getting the work experience so kind of which comes first starting the exam we're starting the work experience yeah um i mean i think if you i say if you're entitled to the lpc then i would do i would start the rpc this september if you're planning to do sqe um then i think it could be well be worth while getting work experience yeah before you decide to sit down because in fact the next sitting of sqe won't now be until i think it's next november so there is time to get some work experience in if you wanted to do so but then of course you need to think about how you're going to prepare for sqe one as well uh and what sort of course you're going to do whether you're going to do another master's degree and so on um um uh it's also a question the funding yes so i think it's also a practical question uh uh you know are you gonna have to get the paralegal job in order to fund your sqe studies studies as well um and that's i mean that that i i suppose i want to speak to the individual concern and find out a little bit more about their personal circumstances and also what their goals were and where you wanted to end up um but i mean paralegal work um uh any any any legal work experience obviously enhances the cv okay so we don't have any new questions but i do think a useful kind of segue would be what is the kind of process just ending this out what is the process that happens for a student applying for these programs and securing the route and how do they go about doing it yeah absolutely the lpc is actually quite easy because if you're going to do a full-time lpc you have to apply through the central applications board the cab central applications boards if you if you search for cab online um central applications board um then you have to apply through them so that's the uh is it about the clearinghouse it's a bit about ucas it's about the clearinghouse for the legal practice courses and also for graduate diploma and law courses as well so actually that's actually quite easy it's a little bit more complicated for sqe because not all sqe providers are on cab lorcabs for sqe we are but not everybody is so the first thing you need to do is to select what program of sql prep you want to study and which provider would want to do it with so obviously if you're choosing the university of law and you're designed to do our llm sqe you apply through law camps in the way that you'd apply for the lpc but if you choose a smaller provider than just doing an sq-1 prep course then you probably applied direct to that provider so it depends upon the provider and the course that you decide to do so lpc really easy you go through law cabs through the central applications board um if it's sqe it's a little more complicated choose your course choose your provider and then then they will tell you how to apply great um before we finish if anyone has any other questions we've still got a few minutes but samaya has asked um if we do the sqe is doing the llm irrelevant as you're studying some of the same modules over again does it make more sense to go directly from the llb to the sqe okay well just to be clear at the university of law our llm incorporates the sqe so our llm um in legal practice incorporates sqe1 and sqe2 preparation and during the program you will sit and pass one hopes sqe1 and at the end of the course you will sit and pass sqv2 that's that that is that is the program plus you'll do the sq plus content which is the additional content the elective content from the lpc as part of the llm so um it's not irrelevant um it's actually quite important i would say for the reasons firstly that the profession wants you to do the additional content and secondly it can attract loan funding um as a master's um program so if you do the llb you can move on to the llm onto an llm that incorporates sq1 and sqe2 great and when you apply for the lpc angela wants to know if acceptance is based on your degree grade and i think that's a good one for both the sqe and the lpc yes it is so essentially obviously it will vary from provider provider but typically it's a minimum of a two-two yeah okay and that's the same for both the sqe and the lpc well it is it is for the uh lpc and it is for the sqe masters however uh if if you're just doing buying an sql1 test prep from from you know just so an online buying an online preparation course for sqe1 and you say you buy it from us then there's no entry requirements you're just you're just buying a test prep course yeah right okay it doesn't oh we got another question here actually um with a foreign llb k asks um uk llm and qualifying work experience taken abroad would one be able to take the sqe so the answer in brief is yes you would um because there's no requirement that you've got an english llb yeah so the sra you have to be a graduate but it can mean any discipline so the requirements for sqe you must be you must be a graduate you have to pass an sq1 and sqe2 and you have to have two years qualifying work experience so those are the requirements the fact that it's a foreign llb makes no makes no no difference um that you've got qualifying work experience abroad again that that that is acceptable to the s as well as the sra concern so yes you would on those brief facts be eligible to do the sqe yes you would great and temi lo lua asks if you already have an llm in international commercial law do you think doing the llm combined with one of the practical courses is the right route or is there a shorter or better route okay i suppose it depends where you want to end up so if you want to end up in a city law firm and you want to be practicing commercial law or corporate law then the answer i think is you is yes do do the university of law llm so for example clifford chance that sends all its trainees to us exclusively for the legal practice course and he's going to do the same for the sqe um requires the students to do sq1 and sqv2 plus the additional content which leads to the master's degree so it will depend upon what are your what are your career aspirations what you know where do you want to end up as a solicitor um there are shorter routes absolutely you could just do sq e1 and you could just do an sv2 preparation course without any additional content but i think it will really depend upon what your career aspirations are what sort of law firm do you want to end up practicing in what are the areas of law that you want to practice in as well great okay i don't think there's any other questions that have come in is there any other information that you'd like to share to close on how students should choose or i think i would reiterate my advice my personal advice i gave at the start and if you're entitled to do the lpc this september then i think that is probably the best route for most students i mean obviously there will be exceptions to that but i think majority students will probably choose to do the lpc because that's what the profession is doing it's a very well tried and tested route and as i say the sqe at the moment is a bit of a gamble because it's it's an unknown you know we've got let's say we've got no results from sqv2 so we don't know how challenging uh sqe 2 the skills element the skills assessments um mr um i think you know uh pick up the phone speak to um a careers advisor you know so the university of law we have we have admissions advisors who can advise you on the best route i mean except for a lot of students this is a bit of a confusing area it is quite complex sqe is it lpc is quite simple in some ways sqe is a complex area because there is so much choice um i think if you're following what the profession is going to do um the profession is going to transition from 2023 and 2024 to 2025 they're not transitioning this year so there will be training contracts available for the next two or three years um also the profession at the moment appears to be requiring everybody everybody who is a non-law graduate to do a conversion course that seems to be another trend that's emerging and they're asking people to do additional content for example our rescue plus program which covers stuff you know for example that is currently on the lpc elective programs so i i think it's a question of looking at what law firms are doing where do i where do i want to be in three years time what sort of law firm do i want to be in do i want to be in a large city practice practicing corporate law or commercial law do i want to be in a smaller high street for law firm doing family law do i want to do a specialism such as intellectual property so where do i want to be and then the sort of law firm that i wanted to to be practicing in what's that what what is that law firm asking its future trainees to arrive on day one of the training contract qualifying work experience with what sort of experiences do i need what sort of knowledge do i need to bring what sort of behaviors and skill sets do i need in order to be successful in that law firm and in that area of practice great so i think that um we've got a couple more questions coming in right at the end here but i think um that answers angela's question that for an aspiring corporate lawyer what would be the best route i think it depends right on where do you want to practice and what are you looking for k asks if they need a student visa as an international student for the lpc while living abroad not if you're studying online no so if you're studying online no you don't know great and maya asks as you said earlier ske is multiple choice but isn't the problem solving question a better way of assessing law students so kind of i would agree with smile but obviously um the sqe was not my decision it was the sras so this is where we are i i think i think absolutely problem-solving uh approach is actually the best way to uh to learn and to assess success law but the sra has chosen this particular approach for a variety of good reasons actually um so um we have no choice and i do think honest sim is right here to point out that sqe does sq 2 does have a skill based component absolutely yeah i mean i suppose what samaya is asking is isn't it better to integrate the two so for example jennifer you've been doing some skills having me on the llb you know when you do the lpc we've tried to integrate the skills with the crap because with the knowledge acquisition as well and i think that's a really good approach but the sra for very good reasons have decided to separate the two yeah wonderful okay well i think that's all the questions so thank you very much peter for joining us today and thank you to everyone who came and thank you jennifer for your expert questioning um really good to chat with you and uh hope everybody has a great afternoon and evening thanks so much everyone thanks peter bye bye

good afternoon everybody and welcome to another target jobs webinar today we are joined with the university of law to deliver your webinar on the lpc and the sqa and which you should maybe study this september if you are thinking about becoming a solicitor so if you have any questions along those lines do feel free to pop them down in the question box and below and when jennifer and peter have finished their talk they will take the questions out of there and do their very best to answer them all um joe just to start with i will introduce jennifer jennifer is just going into her third year studying at the university of law we had a quick catch up before the webinar started and she&#39;s considering doing a masters after she graduates next summer so i will pass you over to jennifer and thank you all for joining again thanks so much so today we are very fortunate to be joined by the deputy vice chancellor law peter crisp so he read philosophy as an undergraduate before qualifying as a barrister at chancery bar where he specialized in property and land law he then transitioned into the legal education field where he taught on both the gdl and bar courses at the bpp law school he served as the dean and ceo of bpp law school from 2003 to 2017 and his work in this role led to the bpp successfully receiving university status in 2013. since joining the u-law governance team peter has been involved in business development apprenticeships professional development programs and he&#39;s also responsible for all of the uwa campuses including hong kong which he set up in 2019 his significant experience in creating bespoke legal education programs makes him an expert on our topic today choosing the lpc or the sqe i will now hand over to peter who will begin my explaining exactly what these two courses are and then we will discuss how to choose the right course for you before finally opening up to questions thanks peter well thanks for jennifer for those very warm world war very warm words of welcome delighted to be here um this afternoon to talk about the lpc and the sqe and the transition to those um i mean i think the first thing i would say is that there is a major change taking place in how people will qualify as solicitors in england and wales and these are changes that the solicitors regulation authority the sra the leicester&#39;s regulation authority have introduced um and it&#39;s a transitional period so that&#39;s why it may be a little confusing for students who are considering what it is they can do what they want to do at the moment the the current traditional route is that everybody has to do what is called the legal practice course the lpc and at the moment that&#39;s the compulsory stage of vocational education and training in order to become a solicitor in other words um in order autocomes listed england and wales everybody has to do a legal practice course the legal practice course is um validated by and regulated by the solicitors regulation authorities so the sra sets out the syllabus the content what you study how many exams you do and so on so it&#39;s quite a highly structured highly regulated program so for example wherever you study um the uh lpc the legal factors course whether you do it at the university of law or at another institution you everybody will do three compulsory subjects and those three compulsory subjects are business law and practice um property law and practice and litigation which some people call as we do dispute resolution because it&#39;s not just litigation it also includes alternative ways of solving disputes such as mediation and arbitration for example but litigation essentially so so wherever you do it you have to do those three subjects and there&#39;s no choice in that every everybody&#39;s studying business everybody will study property everybody will study litigation um in the same way everybody service studies the skills so skills are a compulsory element of a legal practice course so everybody must study obviously legal writing legal drafting advocacy into viewing advising and of course legal research everybody also studies solicitors accounts so there&#39;s certain compulsory subjects that wherever you do the lpc you have to study the lpc also has built within it three elective subjects so the three options that you can choose and this is the only part of the program where students have a choice uh we offer over 17 electives at the university of law so for example if you&#39;re going into high street practice you might want to choose doing family law with us you might choose immigration you might choose personal injury and clinical legends and so on perhaps if you were going into a more corporate or city type law firm you might study mergers and acquisitions you might study commercial property or commercial law and so on so there&#39;s a whole raft of elective subjects that you can choose to study if you&#39;re doing the legal practice course and that obviously should reflect the um type of law firm and the type of areas of law that you want to study what this means is is that anybody who has done the lpc has done exactly the same core as anybody else but when they come to the electives they&#39;ve been able to tailor the program to the sorts of areas of law that they want to go in so that&#39;s in a nutshell is the lpc i think the most important point to note about it um is that if you do it say for example at the university of law the assessments are written by the tutors who are teaching you and they&#39;re marked by the tutors who are teaching you if you do another institution you don&#39;t do the university of law assessments obviously you do the assessments written and designed and marked by the tutors who are teaching you at that institution so each institution is independently validated by the sra to teach to deliver and to assess the legal practice course um this program&#39;s been around for over a quarter of a century um i&#39;ve known it for a long time it&#39;s actually almost 30 years now i think it is um although i never did it of course because i&#39;m a barrister so i obviously did the bar course many years ago um but that in a nutshell is the lpc so if you like arkham i don&#39;t think any questions have come in at the moment i&#39;ll just double check i don&#39;t think when any questions are coming at the moment but if you like jennifer i can move on to sort of contrasting that with the sqe i think that&#39;s a great idea yeah slurping t um so the sqe the solicitor&#39;s qualifying examination sqe i&#39;m afraid we live in a world of initialisms anachronism so lpc sra sqe so this is the new route qualification that the sra is introducing and it&#39;s just starting now um and it&#39;s a big contrast in the big change to the current route of qualification which is the legal practice course the lpc very briefly the sra is moving to centrally set assessments which means that if you do the sqe route you won&#39;t sit the institution you&#39;re sitting at so let&#39;s say you&#39;re studying at the university of law and you&#39;re doing studying the sqe with us we will not be assessing the sqe you will go to it&#39;s pearson view so who do the driving tests and all the tests around the country you&#39;ll go to pearson view and you will sit centrally set assessments that the sra have set and that&#39;s the enormous change in other words although the university of law will be preparing you for those assessments we won&#39;t actually be be assessing you the assessments are set centrally by the sra and essentially everybody sits the same set of assessments so um the sra is radically changing the route to qualification through these centrally set assessments the other big change is the nature of the assessments there&#39;s two aspects to it there&#39;s sqe1 and there&#39;s sqe2 very briefly sqe1 assesses what the sra call the foundations of legal knowledge so the f foundations of legal knowledge the basic legal knowledge that the sra has determined that a solicitor needs to know on day one of qualification so what you need to know the basic knowledge that you need and very briefly what that comprises is the compulsory subjects from the undergraduate law degree so in fact things jennifer that you&#39;ve been studying so contract law tort land law equity and trusts constitution ministry law criminal law and so on so the core subjects from um the llb plus the three compulsory areas from the lpc so business property and litigation in essence so very simply you&#39;re assessed in sq-1 on those foundations of knowledge now the big contrast is the way that you&#39;re assessed because on the lpc the way we assess it here at the university of law is through written exams through courseworks and so on the sra have chosen that you&#39;re only assessed with multiple choice questions so sqe1 comprises nothing but hundreds literally hundreds of multiple choice questions so you&#39;ll be asked a multiple-choice question on contract law you&#39;ll be um asked a multiple choice question on landlord you&#39;ll be asked a multiple choice question on conveyancing on litigation and so on so um it&#39;s a quite a high pressured to be honest a way of assessing people because it&#39;s just multiple choice questions uh sqe 2 in contrast is the uh the skills area so in sql 2 you&#39;re assessed in skills so for example in legal research in legal writing and drafting and so on again you they are done again at pearson view test centers but of course some of those are online such as legal writing and drafting but obviously some such as advocacy and interviewing and advising will be done in person so it will depend upon the nature of the assessment so very simply sq1 knowledge areas the knowledge the basic knowledge that you need multiple choice questions the skills assessed through um a variety of different assessments would it be opportunity just to take the um two questions that have come in i don&#39;t know if you want to do that now jennifer um sure well we&#39;ve got some questions on essentially which is better and which one you should do so um i think before we answer those more um i think one of the questions a lot of us kind of worry about is how difficult the sqe exams are yeah that&#39;s very that&#39;s a very good question yeah i mean how challenging are they um it&#39;s very difficult to tell at the moment because all we have at the moment is is the results from sq won the national results and that was around about 55 percent password so quite a low pass rate for sq1 but it was very small numbers um and the type of student who was sitting that were not lpc students because obviously people who can do the lpc are currently going to be doing the lpc uh and frankly that that&#39;s my advice if you&#39;re eligible to the lpc then my advice is do the lpc this september because the sqe at the moment is a bit of an unknown although students some students have now sat sqe 2 as well the results for those won&#39;t be out until august so we&#39;ll know mid-august results for those um i suspect that a lot of students will find doing 360 multiple choice questions actually quite challenging so my advice at the moment is that if you are eligible to do the lpc this is what i would do personally this is not the university of law devices my personal advice is i would probably do the lpc because it&#39;s something that it&#39;s a known quantity um and certainly if you look at results of a recent survey of law firms the vast majority of law firms are saying to their future trainees do the lpc this september don&#39;t do the sqa um law firms are going to transition to sqe next year 2023 and then in 2024 so look what the profession is doing they&#39;re saying actually do the lpc this year and i think that&#39;s probably sound advice because as i say the pass rate for the first round of um skv one was was was a was about 55 i think it was 54 something like that and we haven&#39;t got any results yet from sqe 2. so we don&#39;t know how challenging students are going to find um sqe 2. so um at the moment um i i think um the juror is out on how challenging it is i mean on the lpc at the university of law we get over a 90 pass rate you know so students are highly successful on the legal practice course it&#39;s tried and tested you know um and i think law firms really respect it what they do because it does prepare people very well for um um for practice i think the one big drawback of doing the sqe is that there&#39;s no options there&#39;s no elective content so for example you know you&#39;re going into high street practice and you want to pronounce the family law you want to do some immigration you want to do some personal injury none of that is covered by sqe because i said sqe is just the foundations of legal knowledge the core staff from the llb and then the compulsory subjects from um the lpc so if you&#39;ve just done sqe1 you&#39;d know nothing about immigration law nothing about personal injury nothing about um employment law or family or whatever it was wanted to do and certainly if you&#39;re going into a city law firm it&#39;s inconceivable that they would want you arriving on day one in in in the law firm knowing nothing for example about mergers and acquisitions which is obviously for many law city law firms is the bread and butter or the work they do so i think that&#39;s one of the drawbacks for for doing sq consuming sqe was lpc you&#39;ve got choices within the options within the electives so thanks i think that&#39;s a good time to um add in question here so maria has asked um which i think is kind of two questions first of all if she hasn&#39;t secured a training contract should she still maybe should someone still do the lpc this year while it&#39;s still available and i think the other part of that question is if you haven&#39;t secured a training contract is maybe doing the sqe better for future jobs or yeah this is this is a very good question because the heart of the question i think maria what you&#39;re asking is is will there be training contracts available within the next couple of years the answer to that yes there will be because um law firms will be offering training contracts over the next two to three years the issue is at what point the training contracts cease and they&#39;re then replaced by the qualifying work experience which i think jennifer we&#39;re going to come on to in a moment isn&#39;t it the quality which is the the compulsory stage of training on the job as it were just i want to explain to people on the call that on the webinar that following the lpc there&#39;s a compulsory two years of a training contract which i think as most people will know you do within the law firm and typically the it&#39;s divided into four seats so you might spend you know one seat doing commercial property you might spend another seat doing employment you move around the law firm getting different experiences in different departments that that goes with um the sqe and it&#39;s replaced by qualifying work experience which we&#39;re going to come on to talk to talk about in a moment which is much more flexible um but obviously if you&#39;ve done the lpc then you have to do a training contract so my advice is if you haven&#39;t got a training contract at the moment is do the lpc this year because there will be training compacts available over the next two years i think if we were running this webinar this time next year in 2023 my advice would be will be less certain um you know but this year i am confident that the world will be training contracts available for the next two years absolutely wonderful so why don&#39;t we i do see the questions coming in and i will we&#39;ll get to them but i think it makes sense with what we were just speaking on to talk about um exactly that what is qualifying work experience under the sqe yeah um so you have to do just to explain you&#39;ve got to do sqe1 yeah you&#39;ve got to pass that and then you sqe2 and that&#39;s actually a rule you can&#39;t sit sq e2 until you&#39;ve sat and passed sqe once you had to get the results successful results from sq1 then you set sqe2 in addition to that you also have to have two years qualifying work experience i&#39;m afraid it&#39;s another initialism or acronym qwe um and uh in essence this is equivalent to the training contract i mean it&#39;s very similar to the training conflict and it&#39;s two years but it&#39;s much more um flexible you&#39;ve got to do it in legal work and in a business that&#39;s doing the provision of legal services but it doesn&#39;t have to be in a law firm it doesn&#39;t have to be necessary you could in principle do it in any business or indeed in a charity for example that offered legal work and the provision of legal um services as long as you when you&#39;re doing that work you&#39;re developing your competence as a solicitor um so for example you could do it in a law center you could do it in a legal clinic in an academic academic institution uh and uh for example the university of law is offering um qualifying work experience one and we&#39;re guaranteeing at least one month&#39;s qualifying work experience qwe to every student who does one of our qualifying work one of ice qe masters programs if you do one of our rescue masters programs with us we guarantee you one month qualifying work experience and that can count towards your qualifying the two the two years it&#39;s one month gone um i think the reality is is that most um trainees will probably do most of their um qualifying work experience in one institution you can move around and you can have up to four institutions you know law firms businesses institutions and so on charities for example law centers where you could do the qualifying work experience and build up a portfolio of it i think most people will probably do it in one or two yeah rather than moving around but i think what the sra wanted to do was to introduce of maximum flexibility to people so that they had this portfolio experience and this mosaic of different experiences um doing qualifying work experience now again there&#39;s no minimum length of time for how what qualify so in theory you could just do a day&#39;s qualifying work experience in fact we we thought at the university of law that a month was the minimum that would be sensible and i think most charities businesses law firms would say yeah that that is right um so qualifying work experience the replacement for the training contract very similar in that you&#39;re getting um you know on-the-job training and experience but much more flexible than the current um training contract regime wonderful um so taking a look at these questions i think it makes sense to start to move into the how do students choose section um yeah i mean yeah i i think it&#39;s so difficult to know what the right thing is i mean how do they choose between lpc and sqe or yeah well well i say if you if you had started an llb or a gdl by september last year september 2021 you&#39;re entitled to do the lpc yeah so if you&#39;re currently in an llb and you&#39;re currently doing a gdl then you are allowed to do the lpc or the sqc you do have a choice yeah obviously if you started the llb or um gdl in january this year you&#39;ve got no choice yeah you&#39;ve got to do the sqe so it really depends upon your starting point so jennifer you you are able to do the lpc if you chose to do so yeah you could you could do it um my advice is if you&#39;re eligible to do the lpc this september i i would choose the lpc i think that&#39;s because the as i said earlier it&#39;s a tried and tested route it&#39;s well respected by the profession and law firms it gives you the options that many law firms want you know so you&#39;ve got specialisms in the areas that the law firms practice in um and you know the pass rates are are you know are very solid people get through you know some a student working consistently and efficiently will get through the lpc and will qualify so that would be my advice as i say this time next year we&#39;ll do a rain check because obviously by that point we&#39;ll have more results from sqe1 and we&#39;ll have our first set of results from sqe2 um and also law firms as i said are transitioning over the next two years so most law firms will this september will be requiring their students to do the lpc now this isn&#39;t a question that&#39;s come up but just out of curiosity do you think there is a preference for law firms or employers on one or the other at this point yeah the clear steer that we have from the from the research that it was it was a a survey done in conjunction with with legal cheek uh and uh most law firms were not going to switch to sqe until next year 2023 or 2024 and i&#39;ve got the data in front of me 36 said they would do it in 23 42 in 2024 yeah um 18 said they&#39;d switch in 2025. so we we&#39;re seeing a pattern where you know a third are doing it next year you know a bit more than a third of 24 the remainder of 2025. i certainly think by 2025 nearly all law firms would have switched to sqe which means that the training contracts will start to start to disappear by 2025 and it would qualify and work experience wonderful um okay i think we should go over one or two other things before we take some questions certainly um one of the things what are the costs and what about funding yeah it&#39;s a very good question um because uh perhaps watchers go back to how do you study and how do you prepare for sqe1 and what are the costs of doing so at the moment the legal practice course you can do it in london you can do it around the country and with you with university of law you can do it online as well so there&#39;s lots of options um available for an lpc we offer it part-time part-time day part-time evening part-time weekend and full-time so there&#39;s a huge amount of flexibility and choice i think for an lpc perspective lpc um um student you know the university of doors you know jennifer&#39;s got we&#39;ve got 15 campuses around the country you can even do it in hong kong should you be living in hong kong so i think um for the lpc student there&#39;s a lot of choice but it&#39;s also clear that you&#39;ve got to do one that you&#39;ve got to do in lpc and you&#39;ve got to do it with a provider that is recognized and validated by the sroi by the business regulation authority the picture is is much more um fluid with the sqe because the sq the sra is not saying to students how you should prepare for sqe1 or sqe2 it&#39;s entirely up to the individual student is to how they choose so the sra is not validating a particular preparation course rescue one or a particular preparation immigration course for sqe2 so it&#39;s entirely up to the students as to how they decide to prepare for the sqe assessments so in theory if you wanted to you could buy a lot of textbooks go into a dark room and put a towel over your head and just study for sqe1 now i think the reality is is that very very few students would choose to study and prepare for a high stakes assessment such as sqe one in that way so most students are going to choose some sort of preparation course for both sq1 and sqe2 my advice is to consider a preparation a provider which also offers additional content in addition to sq1 and sqe2 because as i said earlier most law firms and the university of law works with over 60 law firms exclusively as a provider of the legal practice course for example most law firms do not want to lose the electives the elected content from the lpc if you&#39;re going into a city law firm as i said earlier it&#39;s inconceivable that you could turn up on day one knowing nothing about mergers and acquisitions nothing about debt finance banking for example because again this is the bread and butter of any city law firm likewise if you&#39;re going into a you know a large high street practice which does a lot of family law how can you turn up on day one never having studied family law never know knowing nothing about it or know nothing about employment law or immigration and so on and therefore i think i would seriously consider choosing a provider that offers you both preparation for sqe1 for sqe 2 but also this additional elective content the university of law we called it our sqe plus program and other providers call it something else but it baits basically the additional content from the lpc and we&#39;ve put that together as a masters program and that of course because it&#39;s a master&#39;s program it attracts um student loan company funding so you may be entitled you will be entitled to apply to the slc to get funding for that program whereas if you just go to a provider that just does sqe1 prep or sqe2 prep obviously there&#39;s no slc funding available for that program so that&#39;s one of those two advantages of doing say a masters and sqe masters you do preparation for sqe1 you do preparation to rescue e2 you do the additional content that the profession and the law firms want and you um can apply for an slc loan a student loan as well so that&#39;s quite attractive the other thing though to bear in mind of course when you&#39;re looking at pricing and costs of all of this is of course that because you know for example university of law is not assessing sqe1 yeah you have to pay the sra to suggest we won yeah i&#39;m sorry about this you have to pay the sra to sit sp1 and pay the sra to see sqe2 as well um so there are additional costs the cost of sqe one is 1622 pounds so 1622 and the cost of sitting sqe 2 at the moment is 2493. so it&#39;s it&#39;s it&#39;s basically 1600 pounds and two and a half thousand pounds yeah so that&#39;s quite a lot of money on top so you might want to think about um where you study um online might be an option for you um but i think uh uh you you do need to do do the math on this and do the sums on this because clearly on top of the whatever provider you choose um you&#39;ve also got to pay the sra&#39;s fees as well for sitting those um assessments so uh i i hope that was clear to everybody i think so yeah um i think a question that kind of aligns with that is here and it says can i start the lpc this september while undergoing my master&#39;s program okay it depends what what what the question uh means um if you&#39;re doing the lpc my advice is that&#39;s all you do yes i mean it&#39;s if you&#39;re doing it click if you&#39;re doing it full-time or even part-time it&#39;s a very full-on program and it really is a demanding program um because you&#39;ve got the three compulsories the five skills the additional elective content and so on you have to study um and so it is it is a very important um uh um program that you study you study and you give your full attention to so my advice is do not be doing something else on the side like such as another master&#39;s degree yeah if you&#39;re doing the lpc that&#39;s all you should be doing if you are studying this this september of course many providers are number one so a few providers such as the university of law also deliver the lpc as a master&#39;s program so we also have the lpc available as a master&#39;s program so you either can study more law with that with us or you can do our master&#39;s program which produces an llm or you can do um business and finance and strategy as part of our program and you end up with an msc in business in law business and management so there are a number of options in which you can do the lpc as a master&#39;s program and obviously you you do that in tandem and that and obviously that program is designed and paced in order for you to qualify um what in order to complete the lpc but also to get your qualification your master&#39;s qualification as well wonderful okay so do you want to keep taking some questions yes i mean i think the one from jemima was an interesting one what if you do an lpc but can&#39;t secure a training contract over the next two years so jerome is asking us i&#39;ve done the lpc this september i started september i completed it finished it successfully next summer but over the next two years i don&#39;t get a training contract you can still do qualifying work experience but at the moment the sr is saying you&#39;ve got to do sqe2 yeah so you have to do the skills program the skills element again some all of which you fact you will have done on the lpc but they&#39;re requiring you to do it direct rescue e2 so um i i suppose that actually is one reason for producing the lpc this september because it keeps your options open doesn&#39;t it you can you know you can still do a training contract if one comes along in two years over the next two years but if you can&#39;t get a training contract you can then switch to doing qwe by completing sqe 2. yeah that&#39;s a good one and we have a question here from angela who asked about the qualifying work experience does that take place alongside of the studying durian during the sqe prep courses that&#39;s a very good question angela it can do i mean to be clear that under the sra&#39;s regulations for the sqe yes you can do qualifying work experience before you start studying or afterwards and so on in other words because it&#39;s a sort of a mosaic or portfolio of experiences that can build a qualifying work experience you could get qualifying work experience before you&#39;ve actually started studying sqe so there&#39;s no requirement about when you do it i think as i said earlier i think the majority of trainees the vast majority will do the traditional route which is doing the qualifying work experience after they&#39;ve done sqe um but you yes you could do it alongside all i would say with that is is is i wouldn&#39;t underestimate at the moment the demands made by sqe or the demands of doing qualifying work experience so if you&#39;re working full time and you&#39;re doing qualifying work experience and you&#39;re also studying part-time for the sqe that&#39;s probably quite a heavy load um and it&#39;s not for me to say whether somebody&#39;s got the you know the drive and the determination to do that or the capacity to do that but i think that needs quite a lot of careful thought and it&#39;s also the question of what your employer wants as well i mean that route is is common for apprentices and that&#39;s how apprentices study of course and we have a five and a half year six-year apprenticeship route in which apprentices do exactly that they are four days in the office and one day studying and they sit sqe and so on and obviously they get their qualifying work experience working and studying at the same time but that&#39;s over a long period of time um i think angela the point the question is you know could you do that over one year or two years yes you can but the question is what does your employer want to do yeah and also don&#39;t underestimate the demands of studying sqe wonderful so i think we&#39;ve got a question here um kind of a more personal question but you mentioned before about how there are electives with some of them so samaya asks students who want to go for criminal law is there an advantage of one over the other and we can extend that obviously to a particular any particular form no the answer in short there isn&#39;t because both um the lpc route and the uh sqe route have criminal litigation as compulsive elements litigation and evidence criminal litigation and evidence are compulsory on both lpc and sqe what is missing i suppose from the sqe is for example our advanced commercial our advanced criminal litigation module that we offer as an elective so so you do the basics of criminal litigation and evidence you wouldn&#39;t do any advanced study i suppose um so the lpc probably if you&#39;re going into criminal parties probably has a slight edge over the sqe but you will study criminal litigation and evidence on both lpc and sqe wonderful um let&#39;s see here so i think we answered honestly first question about preparation for both parts of the assessment and how to choose a provider because i think we spoke on choosing when maybe you can get funding for that kind of questions i think we&#39;re good there i mean the other thing i would say is you also look at your your providers employability service as well because obviously if you come to the provider without um a training contract you know what&#39;s their employability rates like do do people go to that provider get good jobs what support can they give you and i think that&#39;s a really important one do they have good pro bono activities because again if you&#39;re building up a cv you want to make sure that you&#39;ve got work experience and pro bono is a fantastic way of getting it as i say we&#39;re offering every every person who does an sqe masters with us guaranteed qualifying work experience that&#39;s also something that you could consider as well so i think it&#39;s not just about the quality of the of the uh what happens in the classroom and that&#39;s important obviously really important but it&#39;s also what happens outside of the classroom so employability pro bono and so on okay so two questions here um are just about international recognition do you know if either of these has recognition as a qualifying course outside of the uk yes i mean some jurisdictions do recognize the lpc and sqe but but it will vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction i think samayas asked will we qualify to work this in the gulf after doing either either of these that that will depend upon your employer but the answer in brief is typically yes you you may well be able to work in the gulf uh having qualified as a solicitor in england and wales and there are lots of you know english solicitors you know practicing you know in other jurisdictions in other countries yeah yeah okay and we have a question here from temi lo lua i hope i said that right um who asked which is better for a foreign qualified solicitor with work experience from a common law jurisdiction that&#39;s an easy one sqe yeah so if you are qualified solicitor uh with work experience with a common law jurisdiction then you should do the sqe yeah absolutely we have a special course at the university of law design for exactly that sort of candidate it&#39;s a 40-week course so it&#39;s designed for somebody who is working say full-time within a law firm because they&#39;re a qualified lawyer already from another jurisdiction and they can do our 40-week course we have a 40-week course designed specifically for that type of candidate yeah so sqe is the answer for that one okay and ambola asks again um will the lpc be the same step set up next september so will it continue in its current form until it&#39;s rolled out yes uh absolutely i mean in in theory the sk the the lpc could continue until 2032 which does seem an awfully long way off i mean a decade away that&#39;s the sort of the long stop that the sra have put in i think the reality by that point if the university of law is still off in the lpc which is we probably won&#39;t be it will be online so one so at some point in the near future andrea what&#39;s going to happen is that the lpc will go entirely online because there won&#39;t be enough candidates to justify doing it face to face i suspect that will happen after about 2026 yeah i suppose i suspect from that point onwards it&#39;ll probably become an entirely online program but i mean who can tell certainly next this september will be it&#39;s absolutely it&#39;s available face-to-face online full-time part-time you know it&#39;s running as normal this september it&#39;ll be the same in september 2023 and probably almost certainly in september 2024 after that it&#39;s it&#39;s harder to say but yeah but for the next two to three years it will be available um in person face-to-face on campus absolutely okay so on that grounds um sumaya just asks so is the lpc safer than the el or sorry is the sqe safer than the lpc for students who are graduating next year um if you&#39;re graduating next year so you graduate from the llb or in in um summer 2023 um again my view is that the lpc still has a lot of currency in it and i i think because um only about a third of law firms are transitioning next year uh it will still be a safe bet to do the lpc in in september 2023 absolutely um um but as i say uh i i think we&#39;ll run the webinar again next year and we&#39;ll have more information about that stage too that&#39;s better to advise okay and so on that angela asks um can you explain a bit more about vocation schemes for the lpc um well vacation schemes are are run by law firms uh and so essentially what it is is an opportunity to spend a week or two or sometimes only a matter of sometimes just a few days within a within a law firm um getting to know and under the skin of that law from the type of work that they do and most nearly all large law firms offer some type of vacation experience you have to apply for it and it can be often typically particularly in popular law firms in big law firms it&#39;s quite competitive um but it is really valuable and work experience so i would i would certainly if you can do a vacation scheme of some sort it is fantastic work experience and looks great on your cv and is is any of that work experience impacted by the sqe or the lpc no not not really because um law firms you usually use work experience as some type of recruitment process yes it&#39;s often part of the recruitment process it doesn&#39;t necessarily so it will vary from law firm to law firm quite a lot of law firms use it part of the recruitment process yeah okay oscar here asks what about if you&#39;re a non-law student is there a better option then and then how does the gdl affect the situation yeah absolutely so um again the sra are not telling people to do conversion courses yeah so there&#39;s no the moment if you&#39;re a history graduate or you&#39;ve been studying maths or science whatever you know you&#39;ve got to do some type of graduate diploma in law and the number of programs available um from institutions including from obviously from the university of law so you&#39;ve got at the moment you&#39;ve got to do a gdl under the new sqe route there is no requirement from the sra that you do a gdl however in the survey that i sort of mentioned earlier 85 percent of law firms who were surveyed 85 percent said they would require non-law graduates to take a conversion course to do a gdl of some sort so despite the fact the sra is not making it compulsory anymore it&#39;s optional um 85 percent of law firms are saying no actually you should do this i think it&#39;s useful just to pause and reflect as to why law thumbs are saying that the sra is not saying don&#39;t do one they&#39;re just saying it&#39;s not compulsory so if you choose again to go into a darkened room and mug up a load of contract law and thoughts that matter for you again i think most of us will find the easier to study contracts taught landlord equity and trusts either on a law degree or on some sort of formal gdl program um so the sra is just simply not prescribing how you do how you prepare but clearly in sqe1 you&#39;ve got to be able to answer questions on contract law on tort and so on now although we know our sql and prep course will revise those areas yeah it&#39;s assuming that you come with that core knowledge yeah so if you haven&#39;t done an llb you haven&#39;t done a gdl i think you will find an sqe one preparation program quite challenging yeah and clearly the profession is saying do a gdl if you&#39;re a non-law student not a non-law graduate okay great okay so we&#39;ve got a great question here does online work experience count as qualifying work experience for the sqe like virtual internships or like moses said a virtual vacation scheme i&#39;ve never been asked that question before jennifer i don&#39;t know the answer my instinct is to say no it doesn&#39;t it has to be in person but i would need i i&#39;m i&#39;m fairly confident that is the correct answer but it is something that i need to um confirm um yeah so my instinct is to say no you have to have an in-person placement yeah face-to-face placement and that online experience does not count but i will i will get back and and double check that one um because very some questions i&#39;ve not been asked before because you&#39;re right obviously because obviously you could be doing um i suppose online you know um you know yeah work i mean it&#39;s i mean i i suppose during covid the answer must have been yes if you&#39;re working from home you know um everybody was working online during the pandemic whether you&#39;re a student whether you&#39;re you know something like me you know a member of faculty in university you know we were all work working online um i certainly think that the uh sra is expecting people to be working in person rather than you know and you might you might have two days a week working at her working from home but i would expect they would expect you to be in the office but that&#39;s an interesting question i will double check could you do a qwe 100 online um yeah very good question well we&#39;ll add another tricky question which asks can i do the qualifying work experience abroad yes you can yeah it doesn&#39;t have to be done in this country yeah in principle it can be done anywhere you know in the world and i think the reality is is that most qwe will be done in england wales but you could do it in scotland you could do it in northern ireland and you could you could do it abroad yes it doesn&#39;t have to be done in this country you know what what what you do have to do of course is to be is to get a solicitor to sign off and to recognize the qualifying work experience that you do yeah so um obviously uh you&#39;ve got to find a law firm that&#39;s prepared to recognize the work that you&#39;ve done which probably yeah never tried to drop it so for example you know you know a lot a lot of students at the moment get their training contract experience abroad or at least six months because a lot of a number of large law firms for example offer a second yeah so you can go to new york or to hong kong or you could pre-code anywhere before probably you could certainly spend six months abroad you know working for your law firm abroad and that would qualify as as a training contract likewise people got to comments within industry and within sectors in this country so you know a law firm might well send you to a client for three months yes and you work for that client for three months that again counts towards qualifying work experience so it&#39;s actually quite flexible great okay so we&#39;ve got another personal question here so wanting some advice an international student who&#39;s just about to finish the llm and they want to know if they should focus on getting a paralegal job or prepare to write the exams before getting the work experience so kind of which comes first starting the exam we&#39;re starting the work experience yeah um i mean i think if you i say if you&#39;re entitled to the lpc then i would do i would start the rpc this september if you&#39;re planning to do sqe um then i think it could be well be worth while getting work experience yeah before you decide to sit down because in fact the next sitting of sqe won&#39;t now be until i think it&#39;s next november so there is time to get some work experience in if you wanted to do so but then of course you need to think about how you&#39;re going to prepare for sqe one as well uh and what sort of course you&#39;re going to do whether you&#39;re going to do another master&#39;s degree and so on um um uh it&#39;s also a question the funding yes so i think it&#39;s also a practical question uh uh you know are you gonna have to get the paralegal job in order to fund your sqe studies studies as well um and that&#39;s i mean that that i i suppose i want to speak to the individual concern and find out a little bit more about their personal circumstances and also what their goals were and where you wanted to end up um but i mean paralegal work um uh any any any legal work experience obviously enhances the cv okay so we don&#39;t have any new questions but i do think a useful kind of segue would be what is the kind of process just ending this out what is the process that happens for a student applying for these programs and securing the route and how do they go about doing it yeah absolutely the lpc is actually quite easy because if you&#39;re going to do a full-time lpc you have to apply through the central applications board the cab central applications boards if you if you search for cab online um central applications board um then you have to apply through them so that&#39;s the uh is it about the clearinghouse it&#39;s a bit about ucas it&#39;s about the clearinghouse for the legal practice courses and also for graduate diploma and law courses as well so actually that&#39;s actually quite easy it&#39;s a little bit more complicated for sqe because not all sqe providers are on cab lorcabs for sqe we are but not everybody is so the first thing you need to do is to select what program of sql prep you want to study and which provider would want to do it with so obviously if you&#39;re choosing the university of law and you&#39;re designed to do our llm sqe you apply through law camps in the way that you&#39;d apply for the lpc but if you choose a smaller provider than just doing an sq-1 prep course then you probably applied direct to that provider so it depends upon the provider and the course that you decide to do so lpc really easy you go through law cabs through the central applications board um if it&#39;s sqe it&#39;s a little more complicated choose your course choose your provider and then then they will tell you how to apply great um before we finish if anyone has any other questions we&#39;ve still got a few minutes but samaya has asked um if we do the sqe is doing the llm irrelevant as you&#39;re studying some of the same modules over again does it make more sense to go directly from the llb to the sqe okay well just to be clear at the university of law our llm incorporates the sqe so our llm um in legal practice incorporates sqe1 and sqe2 preparation and during the program you will sit and pass one hopes sqe1 and at the end of the course you will sit and pass sqv2 that&#39;s that that is that is the program plus you&#39;ll do the sq plus content which is the additional content the elective content from the lpc as part of the llm so um it&#39;s not irrelevant um it&#39;s actually quite important i would say for the reasons firstly that the profession wants you to do the additional content and secondly it can attract loan funding um as a master&#39;s um program so if you do the llb you can move on to the llm onto an llm that incorporates sq1 and sqe2 great and when you apply for the lpc angela wants to know if acceptance is based on your degree grade and i think that&#39;s a good one for both the sqe and the lpc yes it is so essentially obviously it will vary from provider provider but typically it&#39;s a minimum of a two-two yeah okay and that&#39;s the same for both the sqe and the lpc well it is it is for the uh lpc and it is for the sqe masters however uh if if you&#39;re just doing buying an sql1 test prep from from you know just so an online buying an online preparation course for sqe1 and you say you buy it from us then there&#39;s no entry requirements you&#39;re just you&#39;re just buying a test prep course yeah right okay it doesn&#39;t oh we got another question here actually um with a foreign llb k asks um uk llm and qualifying work experience taken abroad would one be able to take the sqe so the answer in brief is yes you would um because there&#39;s no requirement that you&#39;ve got an english llb yeah so the sra you have to be a graduate but it can mean any discipline so the requirements for sqe you must be you must be a graduate you have to pass an sq1 and sqe2 and you have to have two years qualifying work experience so those are the requirements the fact that it&#39;s a foreign llb makes no makes no no difference um that you&#39;ve got qualifying work experience abroad again that that that is acceptable to the s as well as the sra concern so yes you would on those brief facts be eligible to do the sqe yes you would great and temi lo lua asks if you already have an llm in international commercial law do you think doing the llm combined with one of the practical courses is the right route or is there a shorter or better route okay i suppose it depends where you want to end up so if you want to end up in a city law firm and you want to be practicing commercial law or corporate law then the answer i think is you is yes do do the university of law llm so for example clifford chance that sends all its trainees to us exclusively for the legal practice course and he&#39;s going to do the same for the sqe um requires the students to do sq1 and sqv2 plus the additional content which leads to the master&#39;s degree so it will depend upon what are your what are your career aspirations what you know where do you want to end up as a solicitor um there are shorter routes absolutely you could just do sq e1 and you could just do an sv2 preparation course without any additional content but i think it will really depend upon what your career aspirations are what sort of law firm do you want to end up practicing in what are the areas of law that you want to practice in as well great okay i don&#39;t think there&#39;s any other questions that have come in is there any other information that you&#39;d like to share to close on how students should choose or i think i would reiterate my advice my personal advice i gave at the start and if you&#39;re entitled to do the lpc this september then i think that is probably the best route for most students i mean obviously there will be exceptions to that but i think majority students will probably choose to do the lpc because that&#39;s what the profession is doing it&#39;s a very well tried and tested route and as i say the sqe at the moment is a bit of a gamble because it&#39;s it&#39;s an unknown you know we&#39;ve got let&#39;s say we&#39;ve got no results from sqv2 so we don&#39;t know how challenging uh sqe 2 the skills element the skills assessments um mr um i think you know uh pick up the phone speak to um a careers advisor you know so the university of law we have we have admissions advisors who can advise you on the best route i mean except for a lot of students this is a bit of a confusing area it is quite complex sqe is it lpc is quite simple in some ways sqe is a complex area because there is so much choice um i think if you&#39;re following what the profession is going to do um the profession is going to transition from 2023 and 2024 to 2025 they&#39;re not transitioning this year so there will be training contracts available for the next two or three years um also the profession at the moment appears to be requiring everybody everybody who is a non-law graduate to do a conversion course that seems to be another trend that&#39;s emerging and they&#39;re asking people to do additional content for example our rescue plus program which covers stuff you know for example that is currently on the lpc elective programs so i i think it&#39;s a question of looking at what law firms are doing where do i where do i want to be in three years time what sort of law firm do i want to be in do i want to be in a large city practice practicing corporate law or commercial law do i want to be in a smaller high street for law firm doing family law do i want to do a specialism such as intellectual property so where do i want to be and then the sort of law firm that i wanted to to be practicing in what&#39;s that what what is that law firm asking its future trainees to arrive on day one of the training contract qualifying work experience with what sort of experiences do i need what sort of knowledge do i need to bring what sort of behaviors and skill sets do i need in order to be successful in that law firm and in that area of practice great so i think that um we&#39;ve got a couple more questions coming in right at the end here but i think um that answers angela&#39;s question that for an aspiring corporate lawyer what would be the best route i think it depends right on where do you want to practice and what are you looking for k asks if they need a student visa as an international student for the lpc while living abroad not if you&#39;re studying online no so if you&#39;re studying online no you don&#39;t know great and maya asks as you said earlier ske is multiple choice but isn&#39;t the problem solving question a better way of assessing law students so kind of i would agree with smile but obviously um the sqe was not my decision it was the sras so this is where we are i i think i think absolutely problem-solving uh approach is actually the best way to uh to learn and to assess success law but the sra has chosen this particular approach for a variety of good reasons actually um so um we have no choice and i do think honest sim is right here to point out that sqe does sq 2 does have a skill based component absolutely yeah i mean i suppose what samaya is asking is isn&#39;t it better to integrate the two so for example jennifer you&#39;ve been doing some skills having me on the llb you know when you do the lpc we&#39;ve tried to integrate the skills with the crap because with the knowledge acquisition as well and i think that&#39;s a really good approach but the sra for very good reasons have decided to separate the two yeah wonderful okay well i think that&#39;s all the questions so thank you very much peter for joining us today and thank you to everyone who came and thank you jennifer for your expert questioning um really good to chat with you and uh hope everybody has a great afternoon and evening thanks so much everyone thanks peter bye bye

Transcript for:Webinar on LPC & SQE by University of Law

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Webinar on LPC & SQE by University of Law