[Music] Jane Doe welcome to the Sha Ryan show thank you it's a pleasure to be here I really appreciate you coming Sarah Adams uh really good friend of mine and uh repeat guest on Shan Ryan Show connected us uh what about a month ago I think Y and um so I know you're traveling from overseas will not say where but um she says that you are the world's leading expert on Al-Qaeda and I've been talking to Sarah scotman Legend we even flew all the way to Vienna to interview massud uh who's the leader of the national resistance front um kind of took the torch from his dad uh who was assassinated by Bin Laden just a few days before 911 and uh we've been trying to get out you know what Taliban what Al-Qaeda what Isis al-shabab all these terrorist networks have been up to on the show and it's been really really hard to kind of get people's attention the mainstream media just refuses to cover it I don't know why and and unfortunately it took the attack on January 1st of 2025 this year to kind of get people really looking at it and um and so now you have the whole world listening and um I know there was some some some some attacks in Europe at the Christmas Market Sarah actually uh I wouldn't she told us that was going to happen I don't know if you would call that a prediction or if that was just flat out that I mean intelligence that's being brought to this show is coming to fruition and now that people know that people are paying attention and and so I just I know that takes a lot of courage to come out here and be on this show and uh so thank you for being here and thank you for the invitation and uh just a quick introduction So today we're going to hide your identity we'll call you Jane Doe do the nature of your work combating terrorism again welcome to the show you're one of the leading experts in the world regarding the AL Al-Qaeda terrorist Network you're an isaf veteran and Former Intelligence analyst you completed multiple tours in Afghanistan thank you for sitting down with us today this conversation is going to help a lot of people and um and and this is from Sarah I was texting with her more this morning and um so a lot of people have a lot of faith in in in Sarah Adams and what she has to say because because things are happening that she said would happen multiple things both overseas and and here and so she texted me this morning she said Jane is humble but you not only have the number one expert in the world right now on AQ Central leadership but she has completely infiltrated them what is in her head will save lives no doubt have a great interview and so if Sarah says that that carries a lot of weight not only with me but to this audience and as the audience grows more into the global scale uh again thank you for being here and in and emptying out what's in your head and what you know about these terrorist organ ganizations to the entire world I know that that comes at a cost thank you I'm I'm trying to do my best I mean it's uh yeah Al-Qaeda is is is is very sophisticated and um and Sarah has been doing an amazing job and um I've been working with her in the last two years trying to put this pie the pieces together to understand what happened you know around 2021 what has happened what's been happening now so yeah I'm trying to give you during this interview kind of that what we know well we got a lot of different subjects to dive into first everybody gets a gift it'll be the only light part of the interview that we have here so here you go thank you oh gummies are vigilance League gummy bearss yeah legal in all 50 states I'm not sure if they're legal where you came from but it's just candy there's no CBD there's no anything else in them so oh thank you I'm big fan of gummies right on yeah and uh and they're made here in the USA so uh those are hard to come by as we're sold out again but and then the other thing before we do uh start the interview I have a patreon account patreon's a subscription Network and so one of the things we do they've been around here forever uh since before I even started this show I used to teach tactics which is weird saying that uh see him what this is developed into but um but uh one of the things that I I do for them is I offer I offer them an opportunity to ask each and every guest a question um they've been with us here since the beginning they're the reason that I get to sit here and the reason that you get to sit here and u so this is kind of the least I can do uh for my community sure and so this question is from Kyle M when dealing with a threat such as a VB or any other explosion mass shooting kind of event what are the proper precautions to take when analyzing for potential secondary attacks and then there's a follow on such as more Shooters and secondary explosions how does someone know whether to stay fight help the wound wounded or Retreat to a known safe location until the chance of a secondary threat is greatly mitigated not an easy question I mean we we used to face with it in Afghanistan right we had all this very tough decisions to make every day I think the key here what we are facing I mean these complex attacks is that how we can put together the First Responders right mhm I mean when when we talk about casualties you know okay let the the the the the Medics take care of that or just trying to catch you know the shooters I mean that that's on the police or what the community can do yeah that's another question I think here what the challenge is going to be is that what if we have two attacks or three or four or five at the same time the same place yeah I mean the key in here that the responders not I mean not to drag all of them to one spot so it's all about I think the key going to be organization what the local people can do well you know it's America people have weapon I mean you have large numbers of veterans Special Forces communities obviously they can be kind of involved the risk in here it's like what happened um during the homus attack I don't know if you heard about the Hannibal directive then the humus attackers got into the music festival and uh the military got the order to shoot and um the military said that but we don't know who are they attackers I mean it's not clearly visible and they said doesn't matter just stop them so obviously there were casualties yeah so I think that's a that's a huge risk in here when we talk about multiple attacks how you stop them how you can contain them and u local population I mean it's just law enforcement I have a feeling this question comes from Kyle Morgan uh who was a prior guest on this show uh former Delta operator US Special Forces and he responded to a terrorist attack I believe it was al-shabab at the Rison blue and Molly and um I can't remember exactly how long the gunfight is was I believe it was like a 16-hour gunfight SL Rescue Mission and uh when nobody else would answer the call it was him and I know that that still haunts him to this day and now with the threat that we Face here in the US and also in Europe um I know this is on everybody's mind so just to kind of uh expound on on his question here um you know what is there any is there anything that so let's say it was a a IED a bomb in my experience being overseas in Afghanistan that was I wouldn't say all the time but in several cases it was an initiation uh with a followon attack of Shooters would that would you say that if in a IED a bomb went off in a location it would be could you expect Shooters to come are you picking up that kind of intelligence yeah I believe so I believe so I mean when we talk about VB or or IED I mean in Afghanistan it was mainly targeting convoys right BB is is just targeting you know the the the population when you have a crowd I would expect here on us soil or in Europe I mean when we talk about vbied it's going to be Target it's going to Target specific locations I mean because the key I believe at least the information until now I have is that uh attack with an explosion is just going to be kind of an the the beginning of an attack which is coming after okay so and the and the key of that is to drag the First Responders to one side okay okay so um imagine that if you have I don't know it's really just a wide example so it's nothing to do with information like getting a suicide bomber into a museum where obviously you can have high casualties right mhm and um the First Responders will be there I mean several ambulance cars the police you know just close the vicinity of the area and mass shooting is starting on the other side of the city okay so it would be to it's a diversion it's a diversion with with mass casualty event and then a follow one attack somewhere else in the city or throughout the country yeah and then the key is to not have uh response so until now what I know is that just just imagine that you have an exposion one place and you have just I don't know 1,000 people around everyone is calling 911 that's a massive heat on the communication system right because everyone is calling 911 and and it's one location so when phone calls thousands are coming from another location it's it's it's I I can't I can't imagine how the system is going to handle that and we are just talking about communication I don't know how you would handle that you would have to be very smart about how you allocate resources or have at least a team maybe a SWAT team or two SWAT teams sitting behind uh to respond to a follow on do you think we'll see that so that doesn't just apply to bombs that that that would apply to any attack yeah could be a diversion yeah yeah it's I mean I mean that's that's the key that's it's really the key that it's going to be so hard to encounter it and it just back to the question I think the United States has this um I mean you have a lot of veterans just imagine that something is happening around where you live you know I know you and you will grab the weapon you know and you do your job because you are trained for it but in Europe we don't have it we don't have this large number of veterans yeah nor can you carry a weapon no no but but with these attacks yeah U at least until what I know now is that yeah it's going to be probably one attack make a huge diversion over stretching the responders and then just do the next one do you think that Europe is a lot more vulnerable to this than the United States do you oh absolutely do you think they'll start there it's difficult because um you know everything anything can trigger the attacks and and uh that's the key here that's what I'm trying to figure out how how they work how they think I'm just telling an example can be that we stop funding the Taliban and just okay let's do it yeah I hope that we stop funding the Taliban I hope so I have to say this on every show Even though every time we talk about this even on other shows when I interviewed Donald Trump when I interviewed JD Vance I I I talk about it but we are we are currently funding the Taliban according to Legend Sarah Adams and massud we the US is currently funding Taliban 4287 million a week flown in c as cash into Afghanistan through Nos and was to my understanding I believe since since the Afghan withdraw the Taliban has set up over 900 and this is even six-month-old news so I'm sure it's more than that over 900 NOS uh kind of kind of uh facade NOS that just funnels the money right back into the terrorist organizations absolutely but also when we talk about the cash delivery is that that so the plane is landing there is a un Personnel you know because part of it is you know the cash for Yama mhm but there are additional bags wow I'm always on the lookout for ways to get healthier especially now that's why I'm so glad I discovered armor colostrum armor colostrum has thousands of people reporting absolutely lifechanging benefits tens of thousands of five-star reviews and transformational stories armor of colostrum is a proprietary concentrate 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SRS now and use my exclusive code SRS for up to 40% off that's cozy earth.com SRS if you get a post-purchase survey say you heard about Cozy Earth from the Sha Ryan Show podcast I also have to say that that uh Congressman Tim burett out of Tennessee is the only one the only one that has been on this since the beginning there's been some some more congressmen that have uh got involved with this but even even our two senators here in Tennessee I personally spoke to one of them to get this push because it got it got stopped at the Senate and it just fell on deaf ears it fell on deaf ears our Congress here or no excuse me not our Congress our Senate here our government is not taking this seriously and and these Senators these congressmen that aren't taking this seriously need to be helped accountable and so I would I would urge the audience to pay attention to what your congressmen and what your senators are doing because if they don't take this stuff seriously as we saw on January 1st in New Orleans people are going to die they're going to die and um moving back just rewind in just a minute back to the terrorist uh the follow-on attacks and and you were talking about you know the kind of the Second Amendment here in the US and how that could play a role in stopping attacks as they happen do you think that or maybe do you know now do you think do you know if these terrorist organizations Al-Qaeda Al uh Isis Taliban al-shabab the the the the Islamic brotherhood uh is I believe that's what they're going by now do they take that into account in their in their intelligence gathering do they look at this country does not is that its citizens are unable to defend itself this state has very strict gun rights or no gun rights they're not able to defend themselves don't go to Tennessee where where everybody here carries a gun to defend themselves do they are they aware of that and do they take that into account when they yeah AB absolutely I mean they I I mean it it always impresses me how they how they work I mean how they assess situation how they have these great abilities so of observation learning and they see the struggle what we are having you know they are just following the news it's it's so simple I mean if you see a state where there is um like always negative news about for example the police isas a Target right because the population don't trust you're talking about the states that have defunded the police yeah it just examples you know so they are really watching us they're in tune with us absolutely they take that into account they know our politicians so they uh it it's really interesting um in the last um two months three months since uh president Trump got elected the change even how they communicate inside a group what has changed that um I mean they felt safe before you know freedom of movement freedom of operation they've got the money so now they kind of struggle to see what's going to happen they had you know the Doha agreement it was during the the Trump presidency when it was signed so now they don't know what's going to happen and that worries them and and it it makes them I think uh less predictable interesting interesting you know I I had um I've thought a lot about this and and not only with with terrorist organizations but also the Iranians the Russians the Chinese I mean in my opinion it would have been not in their best interest to attack under the under the the Biden administration because the weakening of the country is just happening at such a rapid pace and and I try to I try to think like them and so if I were them I would have waited until that election happened to see who was going to win to see if the country would continue to weaken and if it had continued to weaken under a Harris Administration which it would have uh with the open borders with the immigration policies with the with basically just the negligence that we saw throughout throughout the entire country and and in the world if I were them I would not have attacked until until a stronger president comes into Power because at that point the weakening stops and it starts to strengthen and so what I thought they would do is they would hit us at our weakest point which they did mhm on January 1st yeah they were they were very happy you know with the with the administration because you know it's uh they were I mean alqaeda was denied money is Flowing so it just better you know to keep a low Prof low profile you know just stay under the radar you know you do your business and that's fine and keep infiltrating yeah and keep infiltrating I mean um I mean open border but I see that in Europe so it's it's not just a problem of the United States in Europe I mean it's it's when the refugees are coming you know we have a law and we are not sending people back Sarah had mentioned that there is a at least at least 1,000 terrorists that have infiltrated the United States I'm surprised that it's not more but it's it sounds like that you know Sarah only reports back and um and so or or gathers factual information and so I'm curious as to hear inside are there more than a thousand are there more than than a thousand confirmed terrorists that have set up sleeper cells within the United States but my numbers are are quite the same what I would add to this it's it's just the just that teur and we haven't talked about facilitators what do you mean by facilitator facilitators for example we have the war on Gaza which obviously has a huge impact and not just on Muslim population it's if you see the protests you know what we had I mean it's going to be so easy to find facilitators who are going to take care take care of I don't know one uh money transfer who is going to help attackers to get into a building because I feel you I'm with you so they will find these facilitators at those protests oh yeah just you know like the Isis claimed that the New Orleans attacker was not an Isis member was just just a sympathizer so and and we see what happened and Sean it's a lot mhm wow and it it's just growing every day so these thousand these thousand plus that that are that are confirmed to be within the United States borders are they grouped together in pairs are they Singletons all throughout the United States is there a thousand different locations that all these people are at and those are the facilitators those are those are recruiters those are facilitators those are planners on future attacks or are they are they grouping up in 10 different places in a 100 or they grouping up into 20 different places of 50 or do you know you understand what I'm saying yeah yeah I think I mean they are we are talking about small cells okay so it's it's from operational point of view it's really wise to keep them separated you know if one Falls you know one cell gets discovered you still have the other 10 or 15 safe so I believe at at least what I know they are not communicating much between each other so the cells are staying separated from each other it's how many cities and where we still don't know we are working on it do we have any confirmations of where they may be um we have some some but we we we couldn't confirmed it yet I mean not yet we are working on it how many of infiltrated Europe up I think it's more than a thousand it's easier you know they come as refugees and um I mean they just seem simply get in you know so they walk through and uh I think countries have this very I mean the United States has its database right um big part of it is coming from Afghanistan you know you had all the names the backgrounds um Europe doesn't have this big database if they are sharing between I mean between Europe or or the United States I I I don't know that but uh I know it was one one guy who reached Greece in 2019 as a as an Afghan Refugee and uh it it was a case study no one questioned why he ran away from Afghanistan in 2019 when we still had the government but he was a refugee and it was taken by a European country and after a few months he just grabbed a knife and killed two women and the narrative was I believe it's a narrative is that he had mental problems so you know it's this thinking you know 2019 why why did he need to run away from Afghanistan why was he a refugee no one is asking was taking there to that European country and killed two two women why are they why are they formula ating these narratives why don't they just call it for what it is is it to is it to try to contain Mass hysteria or try to contain fear throughout the population or is it they don't want to bring light on terrorist organizations or or what why are they coming up with these narratives yeah that's an interesting question I'm asking this almost every day that I think it's it's sort of a protection also that you know it's leave the people in the delusion that they are safe you know you are safe you are not questioning but also the other thing is just think of it if you just using this case study that if you have an Afghan uh coming and killed two women you start to question what's going on in Afghanistan right but when you start to question it you get answers when you have answers you have to do something no one wants to do anything related to Afghanistan no one so it's to it's to it's basically to save their own power yeah they don't want to talk about it because they don't want to be removed or elected out or removed from Power yeah so they want everybody to know hey it's safe this is just a one-off this is a spin-off this is this is nothing to be worried about it's just a coincidence as this happened they don't want the fear to come or they don't want to they don't want to reveal the truth of what's going on because if they did they would show how incompetent they actually are in office and then and yeah and it's it's also you know having a successful four years because because it's what I can see it's all about I mean related to alqaeda and Afghanistan so it's what's going on in there it's all about shortterm political agenda MH and not about long-term Solutions so it's you know it's it's something like this this is what I can see I mean related to Afghanistan as a narrative move on there is nothing to see here move on so everything related to Afghanistan is just buried MH we saw that we've seen that I saw and and this mental issues that's the main narrative now in Europe what is it is is the attacker had mental issues mental problems it's an ideology problem yeah well well you know I'm I'm really concerned I know every time I cover this more and more people get concerned I'm actually extremely concerned that Sebastian Gorka took the director of counterterrorism role here within the United States the guy has zero background I don't know why he was placed in that position he doesn't know what he's doing and uh hopefully somebody more competent takes that role like scottman or Sarah Adams speaking of Scot man Sarah Adams this is another I don't know if I'd call it a positive but I just I just want the audience know that there are people out there that are that are trying to reach local communities I know you're a big part of this Scott B uh retired lieutenant colonel Green Beret uh out of Special Forces uh Sarah Adams former CIA intelligence analyst and targeter I know you're involved in this you guys are coming out with a book called The Gathering storm and Scott man and Sarah have been flying around the country to anybody that will listen to what they're trying to to to to what they're saying to try to prepare the local communities as our politicians continue to fail in fact they're coming here to my County to brief an entire panel at our Sheriff's Department uh I talked to the sheriff they're coming here we're having we're actually having a panel here coming up on on everything that they've uncovered and um and along with with you uh what you've uncovered cuz I know they take everything that you have uh very seriously and so so that's what they're doing but but and and so Sheriff's departments police departments lots of uh local governments uh very small communities are they're listening is our federal government state government continue to to to fail us and so can you can you talk a little bit about um what the Gathering storm uh um operation looks like and what exactly it is yeah sorry yeah so the there there is part of the book where we put together actually what we knew uh there is a um part of it for example which is about alqaeda the changes it went through how it's operating in and from Afghanistan what are the other bases and um yeah it's I I think I I want to highlight something because it's really important I think it's pretty amazing in America here that you have people listening I I think it's it's really it really shows that people are taking this seriously we don't have this in Europe you don't no no you no we don't even after what happened at the Christmas Market nobody's listening no no no one no there is nothing to say here you need to move here yeah so uh and yeah we are focusing on local communities you know and trying to share what we know because I think you know it's we always call it it's critical information if you have the Intel you can you can be prepared you can prepare the people you can prepare the law enforcement you can you can prepare the First Responders right mhm and I think it's a huge advantage and this is necessary to do that uh I struggled a little bit in the beginning okay we we are creating you know Mass hysteria people are going to panic but and and I get this question is just what if you are wrong and and I always say okay let's turn the question what if I'm right or what what if we are right MH and there will be no response well I can answer that question right now what if you're wrong well what if you are wrong well then we're all better prepared for what what might come and you're right what if you're right yeah which January first prove that you are yeah yeah and and and just a little bit how we work that uh Sarah has her own line I have my own line I have a partner he has his own line so we we are using minimum three independent uh Networks so we verify information you've infiltrated all of these terrorist organizations number one being Al-Qaeda correct yeah yeah I did how did you do that uh I think it's uh I mean when when alqaeda said and it was stated in 2016 it was aliri who said that alqaeda wants to return to Afghanistan and uh could you say that again in 2016 alava stated that alqaeda wants to return to Afghanistan it was in 2016 mhm when he stated that and U it's an easy you know for them they are one you know the ideology is the same so it it was an understandable Choice uh but we have our allies there so and and the the interesting part when we talk about this is that um the Afghans are not so happy about alqaeda being there the Taliban is M but the Afghan population I mean General they are not yeah it seems that the the local Afghan populace is is obviously very concerned they made a lot of Headway when we were there and now that's completely demolished and and then you know another thing that Sarah told us is that hanza Bin Laden is still alive even after we reported that apparently he was dead and so it's to my understanding that hanza Bin Laden is marrying into all these different terrorist networks he's married into the Taliban alab um Al-Qaeda all these all these terrorist networks to form the the Islamic brotherhood yeah and and so now he's basically taken would you call them competitors yeah he's taking competitors and he's United at them all with one common goal being yeah being to take out the West oh it's not just Hamza actually his brother are so married recently um to a woman from the hakani network so they are yeah they are they are one and and actually you know they they they didn't even hide it because it was stated several times now they are not hiding I mean Hamza is wandering around in Afghanistan and even if you ask an average Afghan okay who is you know like educated know knows who Hamza Bin Laden is and they are telling you I mean it was I think two weeks ago I I texted to a couple of people I I I knew I know from the past and and when I asked okay so Hamza be lad no one said no no he's dead but I mean to deny that he is alive is deliberate it's not because they don't have the Intel they know they he is alive they do why are they hiding why did they try to hide that um because you otherwise you have to do something I mean how could you explain I mean just imagine that you are you are a political leader and uh someone is coming to you and saying that hey Sean Hamza is alive yeah I don't want to know that because when you take it oh seriously you have to do something because people will ask Sean why aren't you do something why is he still alive am I six reporting them alive is am I correct mhm what other countries intelligence organizations are now reporting that that revealing that he's alive uh it's a British they they they do and um they really don't understand I mean I'm I'm pretty sure you heard that it already appeared in the British news that Hamza Bin Laden is alive so it was uh uh intentionally leaked to the British media you know kind of warning the people to trying to do something uh the Australians knew that uh he's alive it was a little bit of confusion in the beginning because when Hamza appeared Abdullah Bin Laden you know the brother he was in Afghanistan and it was even in the UN report in 2021 so when Hamza appeared first and I've got the information I started to question are you sure it's Hamza it's yeah yeah it's Hamza are you sure it's not Abdullah Bin Laden and they said no no no it's Hamza Bin Laden and then after two months I could find an NDS a former NDS officer sir who said that yeah Hamza is Alive real quick NDS is basic NDS is basically was basically the Afghanistan's version of MI6 or CIA is their intelligence it's our intelligence organization yeah so they reported after four or five we we tried to you know see that U it was four or five months after that they reported to the US anx that hamadan is alive and according to sources there was even a photo attached was taken in ptia of Hamza wow wow do you think that we'll get more into hanza um here in a bit but uh one thing too I just want to say that uh that we we spoke about the Gathering storm look this is the best of what we have right now and and it is it's coming from a Former Intelligence targeter yourself former Uh current Intel analyst scottman retired lieutenant colonel Green Beret we're going to link that below this is right now this is pretty much the only way um to prepare yourself your community get that to your local leaders we'll link that um below for everybody to take take advantage of it's not even out yet but I I I'm not sure when it releases but it will be uh very soon I spoke to Scott last last night he said he's he's finished with it but um one more thing do you before we move into all the other stuff that we're going to talk about do you think that um these do you think these terrorist organizations will start to Target specific individuals much like what we saw with um Joe Kent's wife who the former de the the DIA uh intelligence officer uh a really good friend of mine Scotty warts was killed in that he was uh protecting her and they targeted them at a restaurant meet car bomb blew him killed him with a car bomb and do you think that we'll start to see individuals within Europe within the United States will there be individual targets or will in addition to mash casualty events I think it's in the pack you know if you I I know that Iran has his own list you know who should be killed also alqaeda in 20123 December also mentioned three people one is Elon Musk the other one I don't remember his name he is um related to economics so yeah they have they have a list to do that the I think can be a twisting here that alqaeda and the Taliban they have very good relationship with organized crime groups meaning cartels yeah cartels for example Sirin hakani has this amazing uh cooperation and relationship with the Albanian mafia which is controlling half of Europe they have Network I mean almost Global so that makes it even more unpredictable uh I know that Al I mean on the election day when it was announced president Trump won the election yeah Al-Qaeda was not so happy why would they target a individual like Elon Musk is that for the press or do they have something personally against him um in the video what they released in 2023 it was more about his kind of a symbol you know of um um economy he's a symbol of power Infidel you know so that is nothing I think they also obviously they can use it as recruitment but he was mentioned in that video in the economics why would they go after somebody with economics um because it's power you know it's that's why 911 the VTC they were symbols the tows do they have a history of this I mean I don't I don't in my time in service I don't remember seeing uh a a gross amount of information saying that individuals would be targeted it was always locations like Coast the station at Cabell um Kandahar you know the the the the black base that was down there I mean what I've never I don't I can't say never but I don't recall seeing individual targets is this a new thing yeah it's kind of a new thing now they can see that uh there are people you know if they are taken out it can be used uh as as their own interest you know their own benefits it's kind of a new thing and um I think it makes them also vulnerable so it's um yeah I'm I'm working on this part because it's it's interesting how they see obviously they want to avenge suman's death you know who was killed during uh president Trump trp's Administration that was a big hit for them and they want to avenge it and um but as you said in the past for example they they didn't want to kill Obama at least I mean they were talking about it and there was a letter found in ababat when they said okay don't don't touch don't touch him why um because they saw that that would create a vacuum and that's where they used that and I'm really I'm up political but that's when they wrote that is uh Biden was by that time you know the vice president and they said he's completely unprepared for the position so killing Obama wouldn't have make that benefit for alqaeda so it was a longer play they could they could foree that they always play on a long term and and this is where we are losing wow why is why does this all stem in Afghanistan why why is this not stemming more in Yemen or Iran why why is Afghanistan such a a key country for for festering terrorism um alqaeda I mean they have this uh amazing strategies okay so even today and um they had these analyzis where open Jihad you know the open front Jihad uh can be carried out alqaeda made a list of their own limitations as well so it's really like in military what the capacity you have and what you can achieve so it's it's really it's brilliant and um one of them was Afghanistan Yemen Syria Iraq um and North Africa what they identified as can be suitable for open front Jihad it's why because the government is weak social services are weak the ideology is not far you know the local population ideology is not so far from Al qaas um and this is where they can grow the seeds and and and and they have I mean Yemen is is always been for them kind of uh soft targeting um obviously it has a government which is kind of supported by the West Afghanistan is that's where everything has started so they're how are they communicating how are they how are the it sounds like all of all the leadership excuse me all of the leadership is within the Afghanistan borders correct yeah and so now that it's a safe ASM for terrorism how are they communicating with their their leadership throughout Europe in in the United States um inside Afghanistan the senior members they are communicating with each other by careers so interestingly they don't cers cers yeah they don't trust so they're not they don't have a digital footprint no they don't this is all corers yes yes so they they still don't trust you know much uh with Europe it's um they they they are they are using technology so what I know is they are communicating encrypted messages so they use the digital communication what kind of message like signal prot um kind of and emails also you know you can create um you know this temporary email addresses you know sending then after 1 hour you know it's deleted so they use that but yeah within Afghanistan they don't I mean we we've got couple of phone numbers of them uh but they are not using much wow and so all of the the thousand plus that have infiltrated in the United States the thousand plus that have INF infiltrated Europe none of these none of these entities are communicating with each other within the borders it's all coming from Central Command which would be station in Afghanistan yeah correct I mean I believe that but uh as I'm saying I mean so it's very com it's very compartmentalized is what I'm saying they don't know what each other's doing the key that's the key not knowing each other you know on FSE so the only way that it could get leaked is by two points the the single point within the United States and the single point within Afghanistan yeah they couldn't they couldn't so basically for those that don't understand what I'm saying by compartmentalization is if let's say that the FBI raids a sleeper cell within the United States that Sleeper Cell will not have any information no when it comes to what the other 999 sleeper cells within within the US Borders or within Europe's borders is doing it's all the the only way to infiltrate it is at the head which would be in Afghanistan yeah exactly and even within one cell they don't even know each other's real name so it it's really if you see that from the operation point of view it's it's genius you know one cell is not going to lead to another wow it's not and and and you have all these Taliban and hakani Network work um supporters here in the United States I mean personally I have some experiences with them and uh also they can pass messages what what is your experience with them um very negative I mean okay I didn't expect they will be positive uh that it's it's it's really all about trying to legitimize you know the Taliban government whitewashing the Taliban Al-Qaeda as well changing basic information you know it start to argue about really facts what you can even find open sources uh they are very aggressive and this really had a peak during the election time they really had this campaign of Biden Harris I mean they even created a hashtag for it it was really interesting and um and uh just you know false narrative and and and you have a lot of lob here in the United States I mean we are listing them and um and they are powerful I mean there are people listening to them who who are these lobbyists one of organizations or the individuals uh both I mean individuals is like Zan khad you know I don't know if you heard about him he's of them I haven't who was that uh he was um from um he he was member of the Doha negotiations uh he's an American citizen he's from Afghanistan and he had this key role you know passing more power to the Taliban during the negotiations he is one of the powerful lobbyist um and there are several former businessmen here so yeah they are powerful and they are listening to them and what are these lobbyist doing it's obviously you know this this small chatter you know yeah the Taliban doing this the Taliban doing that there is no alqaeda and to me it's strange because when you read it in a un report that's obviously that person is lying right mhm but they are just keep going with the narrative keep repeating I mean since the I see that since the US Presidential election how the propaganda machine of the Taliban Has Changed For example so all the positive news economic uh Innovations you know new factories life is wonderful in Afghanistan everything else is a lie and uh we predicted that I mean we we made several posts about it what kind of changes are going to happen or became true man this stuff scares the hell out I me let's um let's take a quick break and uh when we come back we'll pick right up one of the most important ways to stay healthy is cooking your own food the best way to start the new year is with a homecooked meal and hexclad makes that easier than ever hexclad are hands down the best pans I've ever used hexclad makes cooking so much more convenient I get the performance of stainless steel and the convenience of non-stick in a single pan hand they're easy to clean dishwasher safe and simple to wipe off after use they're even oven safe up to 500° F the patented hexagon design is durable and protects against 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more goal orientated and less uh rule orientated so that's why more goal orientated and less rule orientated what does that mean they focus so much on operations to carry out the attacks to to do their own business so if you see osin Laden or IM man Al zahiri you know they were they were also fighters okay mainly osin Laden not zahiri but they were this kind of soft guys you know running around the Afghanistan with the AK-47 zahiri you know always about this religious speeches so he was more a preacher excellent strategist of course but the new leadership is more Mission focused and they are so fast I mean they returned Abdullah Bin Laden arrived 2021 saifal Adel who is the chief of the external operations of alqaeda returned in 2022 hin lad and returned in 2022 as well to Afghanistan Al Adel and Alam ham gami they are the two major guys in al-qaeda's leadership they run mainly everything and they are battle hardened Fighters I mean saifal Adel himself is coming from the Special Operation Forces are you Ser the the the people that the US trained um no he was uh in the Egyptian Special Forces okay okay he was in Sudan Yemen Libya he fought you know against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan the guy is a genius and he is called and he is just marching to execute the mission he's talking about we know that from meetings you know what they had of course he is devoted himself to allock you know his life is the Jihad but it's a military guy so when we talk about operation planning it's a military guy do they have different tiers within the organization do they have like like how US military set up they have tier one organizations being Team Six Delta they have they have conventional for es the Infantry they have is it broken up like that into tiered tiered units uh not in alqa okay not not in alqaeda it's what they what they did is that they prepared and trained you know the fighters mhm uh the attackers in for Europe and for America to carry out the attacks and um and very very well planned operation if you see if you just see you know what we've been talking about and um what I can see from uh them is that they even told us it just let me quote you soal Adel from 2023 November this is what he wrote We are facing this major shift in the global jihadist path and facing a radical change in rules of fighting on the occasion of the opportunity of the century that may occur only once or twice in a lifetime we call on our Islamic peoples everywhere to fight this battle which is the most important Islamic Stu so they even are telling us they are changing and uh if you see the previous attacks you could see how the humus attack was already more brutal more it was extremely organized I I talked to former colleagues from um the US Special Forces and I asked them what's your opinion and they said wow they were extremely organized and synchronized what they did in Israel the the homos say and if you see it was it was several raids at the same time we're going to start seeing that everywhere yeah and uh and you know when when when I talk to other analysts this is what I can see it's it's kind of um I don't know it's a tendency now that no that doesn't fit alaa's profile you know oh that doesn't fit s Al Adel it doesn't fit it you know these old dogmas and if you see alqaeda is a okay it's a terrorist organization but it's part of nature so it learns adopts and evolve so why are we just denying that it's just acting as part of nature have they ever been more effective than they are now uh well I was really surprised the the changes and the achievement what they have reached during the last two years and they are stronger than prior 911 they have more money they are more organized they are more trained I mean just to see the training what the fighters have received and they they are still receiving okay so they they haven't stopped training Fighters that's scary I mean just just look at their equipment yeah it's all our equipment yeah it's all you equipment mainly yeah mainly always going somewhere I'm trying to to regrain my uh train of thought the the the info that you're putting out is just is it's hard to keep a thought it's hard to keep a thought can you expl expl what the Islamic Army is and who all is involved um yeah uh it was 2023 November when um it was right after the homus attack when I started to track movements of Fighters so the Taliban alqa and the the Iranians they moved fighters to Syria Iraq and it was extremely organized I mean they used Airlines so it's not even just cars Airlines and then I started to see what do you mean they used Airlines and that's on the outline um yeah thees right after the uh the homos attack the Taliban sent fighters to Iran to irgc Iranian revolutionary guard bases they took a plane there they took planes there and Iran flew them to Damascus it was before the 19 of November No 19 of October because we just put the information to the system listen guys massive Fighters flow are going to Damascus and they are going by airplaines and that's when Israel bombed The Runaway of Damascus you know just to prevent the planes landing and then they turned to ground transportation mainly which was you know a little bit slower because it's not easy to move a lot of people but before that that's what they did something that's on speaking of the Airlines and I'm Switching gears there a little bit um couple things I want to talk about the invisible bomb that Sarah Adams has been discussing we' we've talked about it several times uh in fact there's a really good discussion on it on um our X spaces I think that's what they call it but want to talk about the invisible bomb and I also want to talk about let's start here Scot man uh obviously has a lot of uh sources and is really tied in with the stuff as well um um uh I know I don't want to mention any names Who's involved with I don't know if I should or not I think it's okay but but I'll keep that quiet but he's really tied in with some of the people that were in NDS uh as I mentioned before NDS is the the was the Afghanistan's version of CIA MI6 it's an intelligence organization and he got reports that they are um Al-Qaeda these terrorist organizations the Islamic Army is predicting 50 to 60,000 casualties within the United States alone we talk about 911 was a $500,000 budget now we're sending $40 to $87 million yeah you know what is there any if through your through your network have you heard anything about 50 to 60,000 casualties I mean if you if you see that going I mean they are talking about Mass casualties mhm okay that was mentioned several times and U it's it's really not about to show off okay I mean if you if you see the 911 attack it was all about you know destroying symbols and I'm I'm really not about numbers I mean 3,000 people died now it's all about Mass Slaughter and and because that's going to paralyze the entire nation mhm and and it's it's not just about the casualties just imagine that services will be shut down mhm and if what kind of services powerd those type of services water I I mean talking police departments yeah emergency I mean hospitals will be overwhelmed you know taking care of casualties still I'm not even talking about economic impacts I mean if it's happening just at the same time in several big American cities you know Airlines they will be stopped for sure you know standard operation procedure so the economic impact of this and and the chaos what is bringing with it and and who who you are going to trust after it just so it is so wild the impact and they are aware of it that's why they planned it and that's why the homus attack was an amazing rehearsal because they could see that you know step by step line by line what are the outcomes of an attack like this let's dive in a little more specifically let's talk about the economic impact what how would that affect the economy uh well if you see the 911 I mean the stock market was shut down I think also for a week I'm not sure about the time but that can be predicted um just to see how the goods are flowing you know just really I'm talking about the local level I think it's more um it's it's easier to explain just filling up you know the goods of the supermarkets you know we talk about one week two weeks will it happen you don't know could you catch all of the shooters because we don't even know the number of the people in the sou so it's this massive manh hunt Banks you know obviously they will be closed so the economic impact of this is also I I wouldn't minimize it so it it has impact on every part of our Lives man I didn't even think about that mhm I did not even think about that so the hospitals we we over plowed the First Responders being the police that will be completely taxed there won't be enough of them to go around we already talked about proper allegation of resources which would be extremely hard to do mhm yeah just that imagine that there is a woman and it's time to delivery and the hospital is just dealing I don't know 100 casualties there you know so it's let's talk about the the invisible bomb are you familiar with this yeah so it was um I I don't think too many people paid attention it was a video released in 2023 I was lucky because I saw the video so I think it took for the authorities 30 minutes to remove from the from the internet but there was one website where you could watch the video I think for a couple of days and um yeah the airlines are still in the plan you know to attack and the invisible bomb the interesting it's a homemade explosives so they they guide you step by step how to make your own bomb home and the most interesting part was they made because it's even they even talk about it in the video that they need this research where you can buy what for example what ingredients you cannot buy in the United States or It's tricky to buy because maybe the law enforcement you know is keeping an eye on the the the sales so it it's really detailed how to make it step by step of course you need patience and uh it's not so easy as it sounds but you can make it and it's a powerful bomb the trick what they made uh about it is that when you prepare the bomb you need to remove the smell you know of the explosive and then after you cover it with silicon and that's why and and it doesn't have metal parts so it's chemically induced explosion so metal detectors are useless dogs dogs no because the Silicon itself is just sealing the smell so the only way is that and even they they show it in the in the video the only way to detect this bomb is that the body scanner the only way okay so they go through metal detectors yeah it it a dog can't sniff it it could so this could easily get on to Airlines pretty much anywhere that doesn't have the body scan machine which most I don't know how many airports have that now but I I think it's pretty safe to say that the they even tell in the video that not too many airports have it I mean seriously so detailed I mean they did the ri uh at the airports and um and they are they are telling it that um it's yeah they check the airports not so many we talking about big airports like I don't know I think in in New York JFK they have it they use it but smaller airports they don't even some even some large airports don't yeah they don't and uh and it even in the video so the video it's about to make an a homemade explosive like half a kilo which is powerful they even demonstrate it so you can see it and just two less than 200 grams oh sorry it's a European language grams it's enough to make an explosion in an airplane which is going to be catastrophic I mean even even airplanes I mean that would be devastating but you know we're we're just talking airports what about what about major Arenas stadiums concerts football games baseball games hockey games speaking events hospitals schools y I mean the list goes on nobody has this type of Technology except except the major Hub airports within the United States which even some major hubs haven't even implemented this type of Technology with the body scan yet yeah and there are some airports you know when they do body search but of course they don't touch for example your intimate Parts you can hide it there how big is this I mean it it it show like it's it's approximately I don't know like 20 cm and it can contain half a kilo which is really powerful and uh is it about I mean how thin is it I mean it it it was it's it's like uh they even make the bomb it's like a mineral water bottle you know and actually they use a mineral water bottle to make it okay okay so it's like a half a liter bottle you can make it what kind of Devastation are we talking about it was um it was shown on bricks you know they put together and yeah it's powerful could it I mean could it would it could it take a building out no that that's not but uh for example if you just go there next to gas lines you know so the the bomb itself if you use one yeah probably it's going to kill people around you but it's not we are not talking about huge vicinity of that but if you have couple of ones and couple of people yeah okay so it wouldn't be it wouldn't be like a vbid no no no because it's big you know so you cannot you can't hide it it wouldn't be it wouldn't be as devastating as the typical suicide bomber that wears a vest no be a somewhat of a I don't want to say minimal explosion but compared to what we've seen um overseas with with a vest full of explosives or a car full of explosives it would it would they find a solution for that so what they did is that um I don't know if you remember in Afghanistan they put even Cruise you know in the vest you know fragmentation yeah exactly so what they did now is that shredded uh they shred um plastic it's like you know with a knife you cut this hard plastic and it's sharp you sign up for something forget about it after the trial ends then you're charged month 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you know what I mean by Daisy Chain yes yeah could it be connected to others exactly they can do that so they are they are so smart you know they see the M what you have and they patiently take their time how can I encounter it how where is that Gap what I can use is anyone listening to this stuff uh I think to listen um Sean first so when we are listening to people first we need to acknowledge that we don't know everything right uh also we have to have openness you know career okay what do you have to tell isn't it right but most of the times when I talk about these things I mean very often I meet people that oh no no they are gone they are stupid you know this is just guys running around with AK-47 and just we really need to see how they are right now and where they are and you have to be humble to do that to acknowledge that I don't know everything so I during these three and a half years I made these amazing connections with analysts from for example from Switzerland Australia but even Pakistan you know everyone is saying oh because of the narratives I listen to everyone because I don't know when I can learn or getting a new information and I don't see that we are having that from our leaders that okay sit down tell me what do you know it's this I'm sorry I I I was actually looking for it the proper English word is this arrogance mhm you know and I can see that on analysts too in the last I mean just my last year talking to them no no it's not how do you know that or show me evidences well I'm not going to post on Twitter sorry X I'm not going to post it so it just theoretically you know let's sit down talk no no no it's not like that actually I found what can be behind you know is that what Sara I or my partner we are going through is this going against the narrative the what going against the narrative you know going against America yeah exactly that alqaeda is gone no it's not gone and just sit down 1 hour and I can prove it to you how do you prove it to him uh obviously the sources would prove a lot this is where I struggle personally because uh I I even thought that if if the new Administration is going to see sit down and talk I really need guarantee from them that they are going to protect the sources yes I read uh I read in your outline that 22 of your your assets have been have been murdered yes um yeah it's from my side and my partner who can't be here because of his line of duty he he couldn't come and um 22 gave his life and um everything points to there they were burned by three letter agencies are you serious yeah they were burned by three by American three-letter agencies yes I mean they were the only ones I mean you know when you provide information to a government you obviously you have to name your Source the position they have to see that if the source is cred edible and um somehow I mean 22 that's a little bit High number to be coincident yeah I'd say do you know how the the agencies are burning the assets I mean they are cooperating you know with the Taliban and uh but I would correct it this is not a correct sentence they are cooperating with jihadist okay it's not just the Taliban we're not talking about just the Taliban the are cooperating with jihadist in Syria we are I don't know consciously or subconsciously we are cooperating also with jihadist alqaeda Muslim Brotherhood in Libya so by just back to the Taliban yeah we are receiving intelligence from them they are our partner and I wouldn't even call them partner Sean they are our proxies jeez jeez man it's just gotten so bad it's gotten so bad so we talked about simultaneous attacks do you think that is there any intelligence that's saying that that all of these different sleeper cells will attack at the same time or will be a couple here couple there and just sprinkled throughout years or will it be all at once it's difficult to tell you know because the plan itself it's flexible so they always can change so they'll do it on the fly yeah it's like you you initiate one cell two and then you see that okay it's not working so much out okay let's let's abort okay okay so that's why it's difficult to to predict and here it comes our limitation because of humint you know humint obviously has its own limitations for the audience human is human intelligence meaning it's coming direct from humans yeah so and um and we have our limitations but we are working on it as much as we we can to to get out and and just to pass it someone who can do something I think one of the most alarming things that you mentioned is that there is no there will be no Sig into elligence it sounds like because of the corers and so you know when when I was in when we were working over there A lot of it was intercepting sign uh cell phones um communication devices we were able to to intercept those text threads those conversations those emails and now that they're using corers it's only down to human it sounds like oh and and also just as a plus you know China is helping the Taliban to protect this communication so even if they are doing communication on the on the cell phone it's it's protected by Chinese technicians so China is behind is is is it's kind of assisting you know it's a symbiotic relationship you know they have a long-term plan there you know in in in Afghanistan I mean or the mining contracts you know we are talking about years so it's kind of yeah I'm having some come here so I'm I'm helping you and in just back to this cooperation I didn't know the first time when I heard I didn't know I should lie or cry but when the Taliban meets the US officials including the three-letter agencies right after the meeting the Taliban actually is briefing China what was discussed during the meeting with us officials how much how much of the Islamic Army's funding is coming from the minerals that we well I guess we didn't give up that China took control of I mean I know there's been negotiations between China and Taliban over the lithium mines uh Afghanistan's very rich at lithium we obviously we we just left it uh to them when we when we withdrew from Afghanistan how much income are the terrorist organizations receiving from China to build these lithium mines uh the the the alqaeda doesn't receive it directly so they get it via the Taliban right you know as as an income so they have their own Revenue uh what I know that is is uh money coming from gold mines gem mines uh drug trafficking you know alaa has a revenue I would say that until I mean what I could track it was annually around $500 million $500 million goes directly to alqaeda so less than what the US is funding just in cash yeah exactly and you know I I did I don't get the point I mean how do you expect them to take your side when you pay less and and and I think basic Ally the approach is wrong I had last no in 2023 I had a discussion with a Taliban he's I mean on the ranking is like up and um he just told me that you people are so arrogant and you can believe that we if you pay we are going to whatever you want and you know so so correct how does Russia fall into this I mean we're obviously not friendly with Russia uh as the Russia Ukraine conflict continues however we did see was it Isis K that did the attack on the Russian Mall MH and so are the Russians how do I say this are the Russians we know China this this we know that China obviously benefits from what the terrorist organizations plan on doing to Europe in the west being the US does Canada fall into this at all Y what about South America and Central America they are not much no so what is what is Russia's stance on this are they taking precautions I mean they took a big hit it was bigger than than is it a big hit to have a attack in a mall I mean just because you know it's it's it's um the first thing which came up in my mind when I saw you know the social media after the the attack you know in in in Russia it was like this band wagon you know I escape event Global they are deadly they are this and that and just come on man look at the scale of the attack it was like the guy almost like in New Orleans no so if you see the casualties well there was multiple Shooters there wasn't there yes and the cash rate was a lot yeah it was higher more yeah um Russia currently is helping the Taliban to rebuild the the the weapon system in Afghanistan I mean there are Russian soldiers there in civilian but they are soldiers technicians helping the Taliban to repair tank aircrafts you know which are coming from the the the Russian time um it's beneficial for them because obviously they get paid for it right we so as a Wagner group um I I actually I don't know their nature I know they are there I know they are in Kabul there are a couple of ones also in the north I don't know where actually they belong but they are Russian so they've they've potentially made amends yeah and you know they are helping to to fix uh tanks airplanes helicopters so it's also another symbiotic relationship I mean they tortured those guys they tortured those guys that that um that shot those people at the mall yeah yeah but it's one attack it's one attack and and and and this is where it gets interesting if I see I mean when you see ISP or the Islamic State uh in Afghanistan it's it's interesting how it developed so in 2023 somehow actually I couldn't track it how Gul morot kov you know he was the number two in the Islamic State a in Afghanistan in a prison in nimus Province we couldn't I mean we couldn't track it how he ended up there but he was there and then he was transported in 2024 was transported to the north and started to set up training centers not don't don't think I mean big training bases they were small centers dealing like I don't know 20 30 people and these uh Fighters were coming from Central Asian countries coming through the Border I mean by the help of the Taliban and the and the GDI you know the Taliban intelligence garot kov key role there is that training these foreign Fighters send it to Central Asian countries or even to Russia you know just to destabilize is Russia Kul kov has a very close connection within hakani so when we started to talk about you know also s you know here talked about you know W kov and the training centers so they removed all this to the the other side of the Afghan border so this you know this tribal areas imp istan because they started to talk about it and obviously on the North Afghans in the north of Afghanistan they talk a lot you know because these people are you know they don't belong to there the and this was reported Sean there was a report about this wow and and um 2023 the Taliban GDI director Abdul hakik I don't know if you heard about it he's a former GMO D actually he went by private jet to Italy and participated an intelligence conference I don't know what was on the conference honestly you know I always confess if I don't know something so I don't make it up but suddenly they started to arrest tajic Nationals you know Isis related Nationals in Europe so I guess they put him on working you know he was kind of tipping off you know the European agencies but I have one question to the European agencies I know how many people are passing every month from Central Asian countries to Afghanistan how many they are arresting in Europe do these two numbers are matching each other what are they I don't think so I mean there are couple of arrests I mean if Sirin hakani is smart what they would do I train more I tip off you know couple of uh useful idiots so they can see me as a potential counterterrorist partner and the rest you know just let them working so another diversion exactly and I know it's almost every month between 60 and 80 foreign Fighters are entering Afghanistan so and and it was interesting because I was thinking why why they put this guy you know wasik to to this conference and last week I found the solution actually that uh he even in the past he offered his help to the American American government you know to uh capture the Taliban intelligence Chief so I think they just returned to this information you know okay this guy offered one so now he will be useful I can tell you he is not useful because I'm pretty sure he's not tipping off every single incoming Fighters how are these guys convoluting with the the cartels you kind of mentioned that earlier that they they had close ties within Mexican cartels yeah um it's it's all about money you know it's it's business for everyone I mean alqaeda and the Taliban but mainly alqaeda had U relationship with them in the past too they used uh um this organized crime groups to for example uh get uh nuclear material so that's what they are using now I know that uh they are cooperating with Russian organized crime uh groups and they are helping to get some stuff in you know crossing our borders including the United States border how long have they been coning with cartels I mean it's uh what I I mean the problem here is that what I have access to I'm I I have capacity just to track specific things so I I I the time I I don't know but uh I know there are materials for example the Albanian mafia is uh taking cash into Europe sent by Sirin hak and I mean money bags is the Albanian mafia for example here I know that it's the the cartel it's yeah it's probably about weapon and other things why because they are here you know the local guys they know the flow yeah they're good at it MH they're good at it what what are what would Al-Qaeda what is their long-term plan what is their short-term plan on top of that is that the same long-term short-term plan for not just Al-Qaeda but for Isis for al-shabab for Taliban is it is it is it all one plan I I mean kind of sort of um what alqaeda is doing now and and uh we have to also look into what they are doing on a on on one specific spot alaa shortterm plan now is that short and middle term is that at trying to support local jihadist groups to form a government to take over a country to take over an entire country yeah exactly it's it's like what the Taliban did they just did it in Afghanistan they did it in a now they did it in Syria so it's it's what uh but people don't understand about Syria that it's and it's a really trick what our governments and the media is doing that I don't know if you follow the news what happened in Syria so the guy changed his suit you know he's in suit ties he's using his name real name not the n and um he is meeting our politicians so he's changed and that's what every analysts are saying now who have government contracts he is changed because he's saying that well I can tell you that those Fighters were trained in Afghanistan and Al julan is because I use his fighter name I'm not using his his civilian name he sent people to those meetings with Al-Qaeda and he cooperated do you have any idea what country they plan on conquering taking over uh it's it's not just physical okay imagine that uh it's interesting to see for example Libya the Libyan government is packed by alqaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood and we are dealing with them soon Sean we are going to buy oil from them what about Yemen uh Yemen yeah the h i mean in 2022 I already told that and there were other reports okay so I'm not painting myself as a genius it's just I'm also reading a lot MH so all these you know institutions reports for example there is amazing institution called Sana Center they are reporting about Yemen also they mention that it's seems like alaa on the Arabian Peninsula you know AUP one of the affiliate of alqa alaa bar in Yemen is showing some interest to cooperate with the htis and everyone no no htis are Shia AAP is Sun they hate each other again old Dogma well they are working together and it it was publicly released last year so we need to overcome this this barrier these old dogmas to see that like you know like you see it's a new organization let's Discover it m Somalia Somalia is struggling you know um that they Al shabab can't win you know they they are just I mean they are fighting with the government um obviously it came up oh we should negotiate with Al shabab because all these terrorist organizations or these jihadist groups what they do they realized that Taliban communicated highlighting local interest and we buy it so when we negotiate with Al shabab in Somalia oh Al shabab is busy just with local agendas yeah but that's not true how much influence do they have within more well-to-do countries without throughout the Middle East and East Africa do they have do they have influence in Saudi Arabia do they have influence in Oman do they have influence in United Arab Emirates countries that that are are are wealthy countries well um they use the Muslim Brotherhood you know which kind of I mean alqaeda the Islamic State you know they are rooted to the Muslim Brotherhood and um the Muslim Brotherhood loves to portray itself as a nonviolent um group however they are the political wing of this Islamic Army why I'm saying it it's because the the Muslim Brotherhood is baned in Arab Arab countries for example Saudi Arabia Jordan they are banned and what the Muslim Brotherhood have has tried to do again during the horse attack is fueling internal tensions you know telling to the m these Muslim leader leaders are infidels they are serving just the vest they are not Protec other Muslims they are supporting Israel you know on the war on Gaza what this countries do is that they break it down very hard I mean if they hear a speech from um uh a radical Imam in a mosque the guy will be arrested on the next day you know they just don't give any gap for these radicals to to plant a seed so they don't have much control in those countries is what you're saying uh I mean they have some I think the weak link what we could witness during the homus ATT I mean after the homus attack what I saw the weak link was Jordan Jordan is a country you know depends on also Aid and uh they had a very strong Muslim Brotherhood inside work I mean they were preachers you know in the mosque asking the people to break in uh to to Israel killed uh Americans they struggled but somehow they were able to control it but I know that during the the I mean from the meetings during the I mean right after the homus attack alqa Central had weekly meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan to discuss how to cuse more issues within the society fueling you know tensions asking the people for protest to weeken uh King Abdullah weekly weekly I mean they had this amazing I mean amazing meetings every week coordinating PE with uh military Commanders in Iraq Syria Jordan Saudi Arabia Egypt they they did it every single week what about what about Western Asia or actually any Asian countries do they have influence there just I'm trying to get a overall picture of how much influence they have throughout the world so South America Central America we know they're own with the cartels what let let's go to Asia it's Global it's Global it's just directly what I can see and you know this is uh why I often call Afghanistan as the font head of global Jihad because it's not just the Taliban it's it's all Kaa together so what I could see that they are providing physical support I'm talking about uh weapon ammunition uh financial support money to 19 countries P name them yes so you we have here Afghanistan so the East is going to Pakistan jamu and Kashmir we have Bangladesh Myanmar Indonesia and Malaysia we have the whole Middle East then we have Yemen Somalia Libya Morocco Jordan and and the Sahel itself you know Bina Faso M that's what they do and they have facilitators in every embassies and this is the long-term plan the long-term plan is is to establish the califate so the the taking over countries is a short-term plan yeah it's taking more and more you know it's kind of it's physical imagine this plan it has two two ways you have one physical you know just trying to uh put more and more countries where these islamists are ruling that's what you can see for example in the Sahel and then you establish governments which are backed by these terrorist groups and the longterm long-term plan is to have this Islamic califate R ruled by Sharia law the shortterm plan is getting more and more countries so expanding you know EXP expending your influence expanding your power expanding your networks this is what they are doing now so when people are telling me that alqaeda is recovering in Afghanistan they are reorganizing St it's wrong alaa is full operational actually they jumped another level when now we are talking about massive Innovations what they are doing they have so many scientists shown let's move into the caliphate mhm can you explain what that is yeah it's a basically Sharia uh ruled system what we exactly what we are seeing in Afghanistan and it's just not having any Western influence on it so it's it's actually the long-term goal is quite simple where they do all these tricks is this short and middle term like making the people believe that if someone is changing the clothes and start to use the real name that guy is our friend and this is when we are not paying attention break it down a little bit more basic with the caliphate mhm okay what is it uh CIF fate is that this it's a system I would say it's a government system which is running a country and um you don't you have I don't know I mean should should I explain this Sharia La you know it's um yes okay basically it's um defined by the religion itself it has its own Judicial System it's own educational system for example they don't have so many subject to teach which is related to science so it's basically it's all this about the the religion honestly the if it is not my strength that's more about other members of the team but yeah that's the that's the that's the plan I I think that's so it's basically a global a global type government that falls under Sharia law yeah yeah exactly that's what they want that's the long-term plan that's a long-term plan and and I think this is the key what where their strength is that we we don't plan on a long term our leaders are planning for four years mhm they have this plan and you know it you cannot even put a timeline onto it because if it as Jesse Pera wrote you know he just released the book and I love the title if it takes a thousand years year doesn't matter keep going like China like China exactly so they are learning and there in their eyes what what does what constitutes a takeover of a country that's a good where do they find what what is successful in their minds when it comes to taking over an entire country when you start to talk to them and negotiate with them that's already a good point it's already a good point I mean just to see that we know that um couple of people in the central Libyan bank they are alqaeda members and they are controlling I mean millions of dollars we are negotiating with them I I mean we are having trade with them it's not necessarily planting a flag yeah no it's not it's influence it's how much influence they have over the government and they have a massive influence in Europe it's crazy to see that how I mean it has a history like after 2001 you know the 911 attacks obviously societies developed you know this anti-muslim attitude so for example in Europe we used um NGS you know to kind of calm down you know this kind of attitude because obviously it's not about religion I mean we can't say that every Muslim you know they are terrorists it's not true we know that it's nothing to do actually with the religion itself and these NGS just got so powerful in in in especially in Europe that they are influencing governments for example in Switzerland Switzerland Switzerland seems so neutral actually is a center of terrorism in Europe are you serious we I I work with um I mean I work with several analysts and I have several Partners you know obviously you know I cannot reach out to every countries but we have swiss partners and they are telling us that what's going on in Switzerland terrorist recruitment financing terrorist and actually there are terrorists who proved to belong to alqaeda and they are Swiss Nationals and the and the government is not deporting there was I think recently two or three months ago that they could suspect the guy belonged to alqaeda and they couldn't Deport him because of the law because of the what law because of the law you know he had has the second citizenship or got the refugee status and you can't Deport let's you brought up scientists and Innovation uh just a few minutes ago what kind of what kind of Innovations are they doing right now other than this invisible bomb mhm so I think that's that's kind of shows that you know the operational part is running right because you it's just running by itself it's set up it's working so what they did is that they have scientists there what we know they have microbiologists who are working in biological Labs developing weapon of mass destruction they are working on it even the UN reported that they have weapons Engineers weapon what weapon Engineers weapon Engineers yes to build new weapon for example we know that they are working on drones so so we're we're potentially facing biological warfare as well it's on the platter yes what kind of biological weapons we exactly don't know not yet viruses they are working on modifying agents to make it more little and there is an ala microbiologist and he was detained his name is yazit suat he is a Malaysian actually is a former military uh he studied in the United States and uh he was detained until 2019 then his close monitoring ended in 2021 2022 he was already working in Afghanistan in a lab were they testing these they already tested where in Afghanistan what was the outcome it's working it's working what else are they innovating um these are the two what we actually knew until now drones and biological warfare and the invisible bomb which is already yeah that's that's already done you know and the the invisible vest so so they are just doing their job and and and I think the crazy part is that they do all this without intelligence interference for in intelligence interference let's talk about a little bit about the role of turkey yeah so turkey is uh I mean it's been on the news obviously because of Syria and turkey always um hosted and sheltered the Muslim Brotherhood and since you know they are kind of neighbors they had very good relationship with uh with jihadist groups in Syria I am not so sure turkey's goal yet I'm trying to see if they are helping to spread the sentiment of Islam Jihad had or they are just exploiting these terrorist groups and it's kind of expanding you know their their interest you know their power I still need to see this because yeah but my capacity is really really limited uh on this field and let's see what's going to but I I I need to see before I claim something I suspect that it's a symbiotic relationship that we are working together I mean if you see turkey is in Somalia uh now they have got huge influence on on Syria so qar Qatar Qatar is a difficult case because several things happened I just saw after the homus attack that there was an Islamic scholar Group which visited Afghanistan it was in 2023 February and they met Sirin hakani and they uh gave him a gift which was a replica of the all oxa mosque and you know how they call the hus attack Al oxa flood so that was interesting I don't know what happened on the meeting but I found it interesting and this Islamic scholar group is funded by Qatar plus we have information that until now like I I I don't want to say exact number but more than 10 times plans landed in Kabul delivering M4 rifles to the Taliban which is a violation of the Embargo wow these guys is now work is a lot bigger than I thought and and plus we had this I don't know if you heard about it we had this cutar gate that how qar is kind of buying influence in Europe so there were several European politicians you know they got caught because they received money from Qatar so they are massively influencing decision makers and po see makers in in in Europe and there were a couple of European politicians pooke up you know saying that come on people we need to stop qar we are doing what Qatar is saying and then they got labeled oh you you are far right you are islamophobic you you hate refugees so they were completely discarded but in Europe we have a massive influence of Qatar and we are not doing anything it's just going by the flow GDI yeah can you explain what GDI is yeah so it's a Taliban Secret Service obviously the intelligence service of the of the Taliban so the GDI is the taliban's version of CIA I said it's an intelligence organization the Taliban yeah it's run by Abdul hakik you know the former G get more detaining guy which is I think he's kind of playing his role in the system the most interesting person in the GDI is tajir Javad he is a deputy and he has a very important role in alqaeda he is representing the hakani network in alqaeda when it comes about decisions or something coming from the hakani Network it's him who is representing Sirin [Applause] hakani it was couple of months ago when um alqaeda wanted to send suicide bombers to the West Bank and it was tajir jaad who used his veto and said no I don't think I think we should wait so he has a very good position otherwise what the GDI is doing is providing protection and undisturbed condition to every uh training centers training bases they are responsible for the security of alqaeda members they're traveling around Afghanistan so that's that's their main job and yeah it's trying to find the people who are talking and so is GDI the intelligence service for not just Taliban but Al-Qaeda Isis so it's it's it's basically the Islamic brotherhoods intelligence it it covers it it it top covers all of these terrorist organizations yes yes they do they do where is their headquarters uh it's in Kabul uh they are operating from there they have several departments and um yeah they are like one what are the Department how is the GDI broken up I mean they have one Department specifically which is taking care of the security of of the alqaeda members and there are um there are one department for example they have Sig Department I just they have Sig Department which was actually very active around um safe houses where alqaeda members are the they they constantly checking if there is any foreign seant activity so this is how they take so seriously the protection of alqa members in in in Afghanistan how long has the GDI been around I mean it's like U yeah it was established right after Kabul fell you know and uh that's their main job so about what four years yeah yeah do they have the operators in the field throughout the world I don't know that part I don't know that part honestly haky Network yeah sure yeah that's a global organization but the GDI I don't know I know that there are people in the United States directly being connected to the GDI I know that so they have operate operatives ins sou the US yes and in Europe and in Europe as well they are directly communicating with them I know that what are they doing are they conducting surveillance are they infiltrating media are they what what they're lobbying obviously yeah they are lobbying that's what they do I think also what they are doing is trying to identify Afghans abroad you know who can be potentially your help you know kind of sour or they are trying to help you because you know a lot of Afghans I mean who are here they have their family in Afghanistan so they know what's going on in Afghanistan so they can be very helpful for you so I know that a lot of Afghans here in the United States but also in Europe they are so afraid to speak MH because they can be found they know who are here you know from the hakani network or from the kandahari Taliban who are potentially working for the Taliban they know that but they are just so afraid to speak up because they are afraid they will be deported because they can see that our governments are protecting the Taliban so they're also the operatives are also developing assets and creating their own networks yes they do how effective are they compared to an organization like CIA or am I six I think they are not uh much I think the the their effectiveness relies in Simplicity and what they are so simply working okay you know it just really they are taking their time they are super smart it it's it's like one one thing what what I know there was one guy in the United States his job was given by the Taliban by the hakar network is trying to check and monitor social media to see which Afghans are speaking up or potentially sharing information that was his job and he got paid for it so they are very simple things what they are using so when they recruit an asset are they paying the asset or they threatening the asset they do they do sometimes they threat uh when they threat usually what I could see is that yeah they are not speaking they are not speaking and I don't know if you've seen that there was this Afghan athlete female athlete spoke uh about you know the Afghan cricket team and she is receiving death threats and and she has protection from the French police so it went that far so they have power in our countries they really can make people's life hell what have we now covered yet oh a lot I mean it's just we could talk you know days about these things I think what we need to understand is that these groups are getting together they they have had already their interlinks before now they are cooperating sha and Shia and Sunni which we claim that they hate each other I think we need to see that we we are running out of proxies you know we ad HW you know teaming up with uh militias we are using them for our interest which is okay okay but after 4 years you change it and you start to pay the the opponent force and we are running out of proxy so these groups are learning and they know that I can play to be your friend so I get money but at the end of the day I still hate you and I still will do an attack on your own soil and um they are they are cooperating and they are learning from it so it's they not just cooperating they are learning from it how we can do better and uh we we still don't want to kind of accept it mhm and we are using these groups to encounter Russia and China so it it's it's just I I've never thought I'm going to witness something like this what is us intelligence's relationship with Taliban oh they are having meetings I mean it was 20 22 or I don't want to be wrong 2022 or 23 but I think it was 22 when already we had photo of CIA contractors in Kabul so what we know that they are not all the time there they are traveling there you know frequently I know that they share intelligence I mean share intelligence the Taliban is feeding the system with sort of intelligence about uh the ISP and about the alqaeda in the Indian subcontinent that's it they are you know these small pieces of information and lies and the United States is not taking any effort to verify this information and uh and here it comes you can say that oh someone told me that oh because they are stupid they are not stupid so seriously so the CIA is not stupid it's just that's the political order there is nothing to see move on and it's good for us you know when they are lying for us it's it's good for us we don't need to do anything with that mhm mhm so you don't need to admit it that we are facing you know serious threat obviously Afghanistan was was taken over by Taliban and alqaeda because when you reach these conclusions it's the next step is you need to do something and no one wants to do anything there back to the GDI I forgot to mention this are the is the GDI still holding American hostages yes how many uh what I know it's it's three uh who are there and it was this um oh I want to say because I know just is familiar with this hobby you know he's an Afghan American citizen and it was just denied such a long time you know no he's not there they don't have him yes they have him this is verified this is verified they have him do you know where he's being held well we try to track him and the last uh last information what we've got is that already the the hakani network and alqaeda has him but where we don't know the location what are their plans for this so they planning on using our hostages as negotiation yes oh yes that's what they are going to do that's what they are doing I mean it just you have American citizen this Ryan Corbat who is in as far as I know his um medical condition is that deterior deteriorating very f fast and is still there and you're still sending money you know it's it's just the the CI contractors are passing there every week are who are the other two um this Hobb I know and I know Ryan Corbett the third one I don't know the name they were not my focus are they torturing them as far as I know no except Habibi they do Habibi they do the US citizens no they don't why are they torturing him what do they want to get out of that they believe he played sort of a role uh for in the in the collecting intelligence about Iman Al zahiri you know when he was killed in Cabo that's what they believe as far as I know but I think they I mean as really the information I have they don't touch the the US citizens however I believe just know the conditions there that's already a torture yeah I can imagine yeah what kind of negotiations do you think they'll initiate with our hostages oh I think they will play now differently you know because of the new Administration uh I think they are keep trying to sell you know we are your friends and we are your counterterrorist partners I don't know how it's going going to work but um what I see globally and also in Afghanistan that we it's it's a it's a chess game and it doesn't M matter where we step or what we do it's Checkmate you know we don't have so many options to to do I'm just telling you an example yeah you have the hostages there so yeah yeah sure you don't pay anymore okay we kill them and what what you do you invade Afghanistan well it's not going to be that easy like in you know in 2001 so you you won't do that so you see it we don't have so many options anymore I mean it's going to be a lot harder to if we were to go back there I mean we've burned all of our allies who would come work with us oh I think that that are I mean even you know hearing the Taliban that so many are disappointed you know they they had this holy war propaganda for 20 years you know fighting against America you know the the big evil and uh now they realize that actually the Taliban is the same corrupt you know as the government was they are not receiving salary so they don't have that such a good life I mean the top they have so the Taliban I mean from the middle level also Are Not So Satisfied and to your knowledge has there been any attempts to recover our hostages I don't know is it even being discussed I I really don't know it's it's I I've got couple of questions you know and uh but they are not my focus I'm mainly focusing on ala as the central leadership do they have any European hostages oh they have not just American they have yeah so European hostages as far as I know they have 26 26 European hostages and is Europe doing anything to recover their host I don't know you know it's uh I mean when I see Europe it's it's like there is no communication I mean seriously Europe is not talking about Afghanistan you don't even find it somewhere mentioned oh yeah they are talking about sorry what projects they are funding for the Taliban and that's it they don't now the narrative I mean it's it's all the information it's all about you know the Ukrainian and Russia War that's controlling the entire information space in Europe are the Europeans even aware that they have hostages I don't think so I don't think so I mean I I just coincident saw it in one of the reports but otherwise no one is talking about it no one is Europe doing anything to combat what's coming to them I don't think so how would they begin I don't know I think we still believe that you know it's we pay the Taliban and they are they need our money but they don't need our money and I really don't see this because there is no communication with European agencies or or decision makers zero nothing nothing we have couple of I mean for example we had couple of people who reached out to us and said come on how can we cooperate better they are fighting the same battle as like SAR and scotman is doing here you know trying to push you know politicians to to listen and do something but in in Europe it's harder how would you define politicized intelligence yeah uh that's I mean just just to see the last four years you know I I I mean that's what I felt on my skin is that if um if a government decides um something is not comfortable something doesn't fit the political agenda even on the intelligence field it's just ignored and this is how alqaeda is you know they they don't even mention alqaeda I think I heard maybe five or six times in the last couple of months which is which is already an improvement it's this um using the power to you don't collect information based on threats you you collect information based on political agenda like Isis you know it's been ever it's just Isis alqaeda no they don't exist yeah but we have this no it doesn't exist and this is extremely dangerous because that means you are missing information and they can be vital and um I could I mean my partner you know he's American he had Direct contact with three letter agencies I didn't of course I'm I'm not American he had and he screwed up I mean he was screwed up so many times by three-letter agencies like there was one three-letter agency who told him don't submit anything to us which is about Afghans or Afghanistan but why because we don't care that's that's the order coming from the top jeez I've heard this a couple times I've heard it from um Congressman at different events that uh the agency has reached out and told them to stop just stop talking about it cease the conversation this is done yeah but is it it's it isn't it childish you know it's like when you have your children you know and they say just seek and hide you know and they just I'm hiding yeah yeah out of everything that we talked about what do you think that the the biggest threat to the incoming Trump Administration is when it comes to terrorism it's uh it's a little bit complex because I mean um what I can speak about the Trump Administration it's it's coming from the media okay so I I don't leave here so what I saw is that the new Administration want to make major changes right in uh I don't know I heard the FBI you know intelligence agencies security forces that can be a very sensitive point because if they initiate the attack when you do these changes that can influence the response right so this is one the other thing is that I know when they saw the news alaa Central Saw the news first they were very upset uh president Trump won but after 1015 minutes saal ad said bring it on so they know that they have a specific plan for the Trump Administration and it's all about if you see the political agenda of President Trump it's all about for example bringing troops home right to decrease the American Military presence you will be dragged into conflicts and you won't be able to do that because if you if you do it you say that it's another example you have an attack on an embassy okay let's say that and um they will order okay let's find who did it setting up you know a unit find the perpetrators um still troops are there but if you don't go after them the restored American Image which was you know another promise you know during the election that's not going to happen so that's why the next us Administration don't have I mean those decision makers they don't have too many options Sean it's a very sophistic at chess game and they will need a very good chess player do you feel we have any good chess players coming in oh I don't know or just see the other things that these attacks it will have economic impacts so his other plan you know to make some economic improvements it's not going to happen I got a lot of faith in Mike Waltz he's the uh incoming National Security adviser and um I hope he's paying attention I know he is but he's got a big job to fill and uh and um two more questions before we end I already think I know the answer to the one but is there any possible scenario where we make peace with these organizations no because they don't want peace peace you know uh you know I I heard this that we make peace with our enemy right it's it's it's it's correct if the enemy wants peace but this enemy doesn't want peace they they they don't stop I mean we we passed that stage long time ago MH so when we say that okay I made a peace deal with them which you know the it was like the Doha agreement you know you tried okay it failed so okay move on you know so solve the problem and uh we always discard what these group these groups want why they are equal players they have their own 50% in this game why are we dismissing that it's a little bit like self centered what we want yeah but look at what they want and I think it's it's really important when I see Europe is that you know when I heard president Trump said am we make America great again you know we are super power and um it's like being the big brother because I can see that Europe is doing what you know following the American flow but you know to to be powerful and being big also require Ires and comes with responsibility and and I think this is what decision makers and politicians need to understand you have to take the responsibility and you have to be very careful with it because if you don't take responsibility to be great or being powerful that has serious consequences mhm mhm what recommendations and this is the last question what recommendations do you have for the Trump Administration what do they need to fix first um from this point of view U First is that they need to see what happened in the last four years it's kind of you know the damage assessment you you you have to see what happened and um it's really important for them to be ready to see the ugly truth because jihadist groups are our proxies and I don't know how can you turn that around and you have to identify lobes in the United States from the Muslim Brotherhood from alqaeda from the Taliban you have to find them and you have to isolate them if they are double citizens you know the rip off the C citizenship go home please you know you you're your personal non grata here um and also see that you know someone used this so it's really not my words alaa I mean terrorism is like a tumor you find it and it it has been growing in the last four years so you can't do that to ignore it so the the coming admin Administration has to deal with it they will not have another Choice why because it's already here one of the I mean the spreading cancer CES we are having here and we are having in Europe so you they don't have a choice and the other thing but I would really love to see finally from someone being active and not reactive yeah me too me too me too I don't know exactly where we would start but everything seems reactive now I think where we would start is prepping the local communities and getting them up to speed on this and allocation of resources hardening up school security hardening up Arenas hardening up stadiums figuring out how we detect these invisible bombs I think those would be the in my opinion those would be the first steps on what we need to do to start to secure this that's kind of urgent yeah it is you know instead of waiting until the next one happens and then you get that local community ready when it's already going to be somewhere else and so I think I'm with you the administration needs to get the local communities to be more proactive there needs to be more funding yeah you know I lied I said there was one last question I have one more we just saw these wildfires yes in California uh specifically in Los Angeles if I remember correctly Al-Qaeda said that they would burn our cities to the ground yeah is there a possibility that that have you let's take all speculation out do you have any intelligence from your assets your sources that that was instigated ated by terrorism no no it was not at least that's what I've got it was not but they they praised it so it was heartbreaking to see but yeah they prais it I I I checked it I asked it and my information is no they didn't have anything to do with I think it was an echo terrorist but it's you know who knows obviously you know I I can't I don't know everything so I I'm I'm I I I asked them and they said no no no it has nothing to do with them I I think you know the the most powerful person in alqaeda central is saifal Adel and recently we could get the translation of his book The guy is a genius he he's he talks about strategy he talks about Innovation targets allies leadership he is a a genius should we go into that I mean yeah it's um it's um it's it's a detailed um what his ideas it's it's it's a military strategy book how leadership should look like I mean I would even give it to my country's politician is read it because this is what we need leadership is he writing about lessons and learn he is writing about don't um don't get stuck with Victory go through the losses mistakes because that's how you develop it's it's it's amazing I suggest the new Administration to read his book because it's just very impressive this is howad is when we look at the the organization itself today that book represents the level they are and I don't see they are on the lower level than us did we see did we discuss the strategy within the interview a lot of it yeah MH how are his what are his leadership principles what stuck out to you uh loyalty that's that's the first one commitment that's that's also the others but it's run by a very sophisticated military organization very sophisticated and flexible so they don't have that rigged rules it's it's it's it's very good I mean I was very impressed when I read it what is the book uh 33 Strategies I'm I'm going to send you and I'm going to see if we ever I mean some places we can make it available because I I wish people could read it especially decision maker because they could see this is not a guy running around in Afghanistan with an AK-47 he's a mastermind yeah and this guy I mean his book could stand West Point or S Hurst you hear that any us politicians any leadership in the country 33 Strategies you're going to send me a copy yes it'll be translated will it be digital it's it's already translated yes can I disseminate it through our newsletter yeah I think so I'll put it in our newsletter when we receive it you can download it for free have your staff read it if you don't have the time to but sounds pretty clear to me that we need to pay a lot of attention to that book that Mastermind 33 Strategies Jane thank you so much for coming I really appreciate it and um I hope the next time we run into to each other it's uh better news thank you so much for being me thank you [Music] thank no matter where you're watching Shan Ryan Show from if you get anything out of this please like comment subscribe and most importantly share this everywhere you possibly can and if you're feeling extra generous please leave us review on Apple and Spotify podcasts