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Exploring the Filioque Debate

Nov 19, 2024

Lecture Notes on the Filioque Argument

Introduction

  • Recent resurgence of an argument against the filioque.
  • Critique by Ubie Petris against Michael Lofton, a nuanced YouTuber.
  • Discussion includes Orthodox and Catholic perspectives.

Background

  • Catholic authors avoid discussing Cappadocian Fathers, St. Cyril, St. Maximus.
  • Common Catholic argument: If Latin Fathers taught filioque, then it's true.
  • Orthodox typically concede Latin Fathers erred on filioque.

Orthodox Perspective

  • Orthodox emphasize Cappadocian supremacy in Trinitarian theology.
  • Argument against filioque based on differing teachings East vs. West.
  • Two major Orthodox responses:
    • Attack major premise (Latin Fathers' authority).
    • Attack minor premise (Latin Fathers' teaching).

Discussion on Latin Fathers

  • Latin Fathers’ teaching includes Augustine, Fulgentius on filioque.
  • Orthodox contend Latin Fathers didn’t teach Florentine filioque.
  • Praise for Latin Fathers in Constantinople & Orthodox liturgy.

The Letter to Marinus by Maximus the Confessor

  • Cited by Orthodox to avoid direct engagement with Latin Fathers.
  • Disagreement on interpretation of 'cause' in reference to the Spirit.
  • Implications for Orthodox if Latin Fathers taught the filioque:
    • Challenge to Orthodox interpretation.
    • Possible contradiction in Orthodox position.

Arguments in Favor of Latin Filioque

  • Analysis of pseudo-Athanasian Creed.
  • Argument for hypostatic procession in Latin tradition.
  • Early usage and acceptance of Athanasian Creed in the West.

Conclusion

  • Importance of directly engaging with texts, not relying on narratives.
  • Need for careful reading and exegesis of texts from Latin Fathers.
  • Emphasis on demanding rigorous textual analysis from apologists.

Key Takeaways

  • Latin Fathers, through careful reading, show alignment with Florentine filioque.
  • Orthodox narrative challenged by textual evidence.
  • Encouragement for deeper study and understanding of historical theological texts.