my next guest is Emeritus Professor Ian pler Professor plimer is the nation's best known geologist holder of several professional chairs in Australia and overseas and the author of over 120 scientific papers as well as at least 14 books for the general public of which I have just ordered one and I'm waiting for Conor Court to send it to me they've already told me it's on its way welcome professor pman well thank you for having me from the Conor Court offices in Brisbane and you're from the Conor Court offices and I can see uh up to on your uh left there's a uh one of your books Green murder yes Green murder on my left and on my right is um another book where I look at the energy that's required to make a spoon and behind me is my first substantial climate book and that's Heaven and Earth and these can be acquired through uh through this company adhtv through Coral Court yes they go through to court yes they publish a lot of conservative writings a lot of religious writings and they are one of the last outposts for publishing Common Sense the major Publishers now will not publish Common Sense they've all gone work this is a very small family publisher and they they publish books that otherwise would not be published and may I particularly recommend commend Green murder it's a very big book but it's very thorough I learned a lot from reading it in relation to the climate change hoax uh Professor plimer you've had some very interesting correspondence with Prince Phillip the now deceased Duke of Edinburgh what was that all about well I had guessed his political views on climate change and would send every book that I wrote and I've written six on climate I would send them to the palace and he didn't get them the Mandarin stopped him reading my works and there was an occasion in London where I met an Old Navy colleague of his and this gentleman used to come and see Prince philli and they used to sit around and chat and maybe have a drink together and I expressed my concern that none of my books were getting through so I then used this gentleman as a conduit and these books went through to the J of Edinburgh and he then wrote back to me uh talking about the nonsense of climate change and saying well when is it going to end when are we going to stop spoiling our Countryside with these Dreadful wind turbine monstrosities and uh I was very pleased that he was able to read my books because um the first couple of books I couldn't get through to him but he certainly got Grand murder very good well that's that is fascinating to to know that uh they got through and uh he was obviously very interested in them well I suspect his daughter is of the same view and um the king is not well they're entitled to their views aren't they so yes as long as they don't claim it an informed view yes and I must congratulate you now on the success Speedy SU success of your campaign concerning the Great artisian Basin that was particularly successful we're showing uh a map of it on the screen and it the size of it is enormous in relation to Australia briefly what was involved in that campaign well the Great artisian Basin occupies 22% of Australia and the Great artisian Basin is one of the great basins in the world which has got water in it and the water is from one particular unit called the precipice sandstone and this water is very young water in the Eastern side of the Great artisian Basin but by the time it's in South Australia in the Far Western side that water is 2 million years old now that water is used for stock it's used for irrigation it's used for thermal spring bathing like in Mory or lightning Ridge and it's also used as potable water some of it is good enough to drink so Glen core under pressure from the state and federal govern governments was looking for a mechanism of disposing of carbon dioxide from power plants and their idea was to liquefy this carbon dioxide under very very high pressure and low temperature and put this underground into the precipice sandstone and where the liquid carbon dioxide would fill all the pores and it would be sequestered um I joined many of the Agricultural groups and many of the farmers groups and saying no this is not a very good idea the farmers were saying well look this is going to change the chemistry of the water which it would do it make the water slightly acid and that would dissolve out cadmium and lead and um some various toxic elements that are in the Great artisian based sediments and once the water's acid you get that into solution and that would be used in irrigation and for stock and they objected to it they also objected to interfering with the aquifer the aquifer's had over 10,000 Grill holes into it and it's gone down quite considerably from overuse but the aquaa is the lifeblood of agriculture in Central and Western Queensland and so if you tamper with it you're tampering with the livelihood of a very large number of people but I looked at it a different way we have two very good geological examples of carbon dioxide volcanoes these are very recent these are in the 80s and one of them was Lake NEOS in Cameroon and Lake NEOS is an old volcanic crater it's still exhaling carbon dioxide and there was on a quiet night a sudden release of carbon dioxide from the lake NEOS sediments and bottom Waters and this explosively Rose it reached the surface and because it was a still night and because carbon dioxide is heavier than air this carbon dioxide filled The Valleys it killed 7 00 people because the carbon dioxide just pushed aside the air and there's no air to breathe it killed about three and a half thousand stock and this was exactly the situation that's being set up in the great iian base where geologists have a great interest in gas volcanoes carbon volcanoes especially because associated with them they are very often gold deposits and so we've studied these in great detail for decades and carbon dioxide volcanoes are quite catastrophic because if you expand the carbon dioxide you get enormous breakage of the rocks and a massive eruption of gas and broken rock now we know that we get leakage from the precipice Sandstone because we have the mound Springs in the western part of the Great artisian base this is where water is leaking up fractures and if water can leak up the fractures carbon dioxy can leak up the fractures so my argument was that if you fill the prous Sandstone with liquid carbon dioxide under very high pressure this can work its way up a crack weaken the rock explode and create a gas volcano and do exactly what happened at Lake NEOS is asfixiate people and their livestock and so I don't know whether that view really held sway but there was massive opposition by Farmers to this measure and it has been dropped so I think I'm just one very small Stitch in in in the whole tapestry well I remember reading your article on that in spectator and being astounded that anybody would seriously consider such a proposal but it's good that the Queensland Premier has announced that it's not going to go ahead the well he's got an election don't don't ever think that logic drives the system it's an election that's probably true yes now uh we're putting up the latest graphs from that marvelous Lady Joe NOA they show that solar and wind are making a very small contribution to the world's energy that traditional fuels Dominate and that man-made CO2 is increasing are you surprised what effect will this have on the climate not at all I'm not surprised we've had a source of data for more than 100 years from BP uh British Petroleum they now don't do it but there's another group that does it and that data is on where does our energy come from now we've had for more than a 100 years more than 80% of the energy which we use for transport for electricity uh that has come from fossil fuels that's come from oil that's come from gas and that's come from coal that has not changed for 100 years and what has happened in that 100 years is we've had a warming and then we've had a cooling event then we've had stasis and so there is no relationship between the amount of fossil fuel we burn and what the temperature's been doing and what has happened is that developing nations like China like India and like southeast Asia are burning more and more coal that is because they want to end up with the same standard of living we have and by burning that coal and by burning petroleum products and putting more and more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere it has not had a single effect on the climate there has been no climate change now many scientists are very much aware that carbon dioxide does not drive climate change and for decades I've been asking the so-called climate scientists are really activists but asking them can you please give me just half a dozen Landmark scientific papers demonstrating that human emissions of carbon dioxide Drive global warming now I've just had obfuscation they have never ever given me anything to show that human emissions Drive climate change and if they did they'd have to show that the natural emissions which are 97% of the total don't drive climate change they would have to show that all of chemistry of the solution of carbon dioxide and water is wrong that have to also show that the ice core drilling showing that after a temperature rise you get a carbon dioxide rise which is the opposite of what being we're being told they' have to show that so um Joon NOA is absolutely correct there is absolutely no effect on climate we've had a massive increase carbon dioxide emissions but what we also know is that if you increase the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere then there's more that dissolves in the oceans there is an equilibrium there's a balance between the atmosphere and the oceans so um I have argued for a long time that the whole exercise of sequestering carbon dioxide by having green energy is totally and absolutely futile we cannot change major planetary systems by just turning one dial I think in your book Green murder one of the things that stands out in my mind is where you wrote that I think in the history of this planet there have been six ice ages and at the beginning of every Ice Age there was far more CO2 in the atmosphere than today this is the beginning of the ice AG the logic should be should would it not that uh these should have started global warming to a massive degree well when you're political activist logic is not used um that the couple of early great ice ages where we covered the planet in ice the whole planet was covered in ice we had um two periods of time when we had kilometers of ice at sea level at the equator yet we had carbon dioxide about 500 times higher than it is now in the atmosphere so if carbon dioxide is meant to drive a runaway global warming then the evidence from the past doesn't show that this is the case and in any science uh this is called the coherence Criterion in science that if you're putting up a theory it has to be in accord with all the other theories from the other disciplines of science so if you as an atmospheric physicist are putting up a theory that human emissions of carbon dioxide Drive global warming and that an increase in of carbon dioxide will give you warming then that's not in accord with what we know from the past and that has been validated many many times so you have to reject the theory that human emissions of carbon dioxide Drive global warming that's not done we don't use the scientific method we don't use logic this is an activist activity that is trying to stop industrialization it's trying to make our life more difficult and we see today where we've got massive objections to our leader the opposition suggesting that we should actually have seven nuclear power plants and all the green Enterprises are putting out an SOS call now this is not because they have got any technical objections to nuclear power the SOS is save our subsidies they can see that their subsidies are being threatened and there's no such thing as renewable energy the only thing renewable about renewable energy are the subsidies so we've got all of those uh with a dog in the fight now really objecting to Mr Dutton um suggesting that we do what the other G20 countries have done we do uh what many other countries have done in the world and that is underpin our basad power with nuclear energy Professor Ian pler I think I should really thank you for what you're doing and what you have done saving I think yours was the the significant point that saved the Great artisian Basin because I I think many people realized what was going on until your article appeared and uh I must thank you for and hope that you will continue your campaign in relation to the exaggerated view that one small component of our atmosphere controls everything which seems to me to be ridiculous thank you so much thank you for giving me the air time thank you for letting me talk in public because most other networks will not let logic and Common Sense be as fast you're so right thank you thank you