a purpose is not something that someone told you to do it's something that you decided to do according to who you are today but if you don't know yourself the purpose will be done in your level of Consciousness that's why it's so important how we act uh Humanity created morality as a way to define what is going to happen to you according to how you behave but what the problem with morality was that it was not about other dimensions or about yourself it was about if you don't do a according to what the village is saying you might be left behind or die because no one will protect you so everything that we do in terms of good or bad is to be accepted by the group yes the hurt and for people that are like hitting up against challenges and it's not in flow for them what would you recommend to support them in coming back into alignment well ask yourself the three questions which is this is one of the most mindblowing life-altering conversations I I have ever had and I'm so excited to share it with you today we're going to be exploring what our true purpose is why fear is actually a good signal and all the Deep questions like why am I here what happens after we die join me today with our special guest Matas de Stefano who is a spiritual leader he's an author he's a featured expert on Gaia TV and a well sought-after guest on many different podcasts who's gained a lot of attention through his ability to remember his past lives so we're going to talk about our journey journey of Spiritual Awakening how to tap into higher States Of Consciousness and trust your own inner knowing and intuition you do not want to miss this powerful and magical episode where we share insights about the true nature of the universe it is profound buckle up I hope you enjoy it fully Matas I'm so happy that you're here thank you for being here thank you for just your time and your energy and just before we dive in because I know this is going to be such a beautiful conversation will you give us a little bit of a context to your spiritual gifts some of your upbringing and how that's kind of shaped your life perspective now for people that may not know yeah of you of course yeah thank you for inviting me yeah and um well I kind of can um uh name myself as a rememberer because uh everything that def find what I did was to remember since I was a child so um I was able to not only remember past lives but also what happens in between and uh in other dimensions and because I had no religious in my context uh it was all agnostic okay my family so for me was all like um for them was all like he has a lot of imagination and creativity okay so they encouraged that instead of saying don't speak about these things or uh and that helped me to actually be more confident in what was happening to me um um because it was not like religious or or something that you shouldn't speak about um but it was also not spiritual so I didn't grow uh I didn't grow in a spiritual context so uh for me it was all about um science studying what uh what is plants dinosaurs or these kind of things and the being that I used to see when I was a child uh they explain me about nature they explain me about how we uh we humans are just an expression of the Spirit uh of the spiritual realm without saying Spirit the spiritual words yeah um it was all about um the essence of the plants the essence of nature so for me was um I started to learn what spirituality was when I was 17 actually when I started to asked for help trying to understand what was happening to me um and I wanted to study education to help other kids that were going through the same not understanding what is this reality but then when I was 20 I think I understood that the people that were more lost were the adults so um they so they invited me to Congress of education and suddenly I spoke in one of them and uh and that's how people started to record me to put some videos in YouTube um and all in Spanish of course in that time because I'm from Argentina yeah and uh and then it went viral yeah and I started to do things around the the world and try trying to teach people about how the planet Works How the Universe works and everything so yeah I love that your family was so encouraging and that they just thought it was your imagination and that you had a blank slate so that it was really nurtured and not um hindered in any way and that you didn't have some of these religious or spiritual backgrounds it was just your experience it's really beautiful yeah I had to learn all all all the spiritual things when I was 18 19 like what were the words and everything so I used to to name the things that I remember in other languages that I could remember and when I explain what it was yes when I explain what it was uh people said oh we call this like that interesting yeah so that's how I was learning as I was explaining I was learning yeah oh we call this reincarnation or we call this better that way yeah more trustworthy I know a lot of people struggle with purpose or feeling like why am I here what would you say to people that are kind of grappling with those questions I'm curious your perspective well it's it's a long topic about purpose because usually we want to find our purpose as as as if it is um a must uh but actually um the purpose is going to happen anyway it doesn't matter what we do the thing is that um it can be done in a bad way unconsciously suffering if we are not aware of it okay so it's not that we are not going to do our purpose if we don't know it but it will help knowing a little bit um and actually one of the one of the ways in which we can understand what a purpose is is to understand the Theology of the word I love to to go back to the meaning of the words to to know the power of them so purpose is when you say something that is put in front so it means that you put it before it's like saying I want to do this so I will throw it in front of me so I can see it okay so a purpose is not something that someone told you to do it's something that you decided to do according to who you are today which means that by understanding yourself in your design which you can use any tool around like astrology psychology anything that can help you to understand who you really are psychologically speaking Yeah okay psychological speaking um astrological speaking you don't have to go like yeah in a very deep thing but just to understand the design that you are here today yeah I like the anog as one framework to understand the psyche yeah so uh that gives you the basis to understand what what is your purpose okay so uh because your purpose can only be accomplished according to what you are so um in order to be done you have to transform or use correctly what you are but if you don't know yourself uh the purpose will be done in your level of Consciousness okay that's why usually people suffer because because of levels of consciousness exactly yeah so it's not what you're doing it's the Consciousness from where you're doing it from exactly yeah that's also the word destiny is what uh what is going to happen depends on not where you go but from where you are coming from that's the word destiny is to move from one spot which is I'm here and I move from here okay so Destiny is not what is ahead is where am I here where am I now so I have to move so that's why to understand yourself can show you where to go and that's why it's so important also to to understand why the universe doesn't show you the purpose when you are born yeah your D to all the things I want to ask you about so so good yeah I'm curious like this like Blank Slate not remembering anything that's I know obviously that's intentionally designed I don't know why well imagine if you have five years old and someone tells you you are meant to be the president of the United States yeah terrible anxious yeah this is anxious you will try to study politics and maybe you I see you're are not going to do it right because you are doing many things before you have accomplished the purpose of something that you had to do before which is the preparation a lot of people has to learn things study things go through different processes to gain tools before they do something and that purpose that that process sorry is more important than the purpose than the thing itself exactly who you become in the process exactly so that's why if if everyone is born knowing exactly what they have to do the uh the per the process uh it's terrible yeah a lot of anxiety exactly yeah because you're all the time saying oh my gosh I don't have I don't know how to do it I can't public speak I'm not ready to get present or whatever the thing is exactly so in the other in the other hand when you don't know your purpose you just do yeah follow the next simple thing but you have two ways to do do that okay the unconscious way or the conscious way so the unconscious way is like I don't know why I'm doing and and you just do and you are lost or you just repeat the systems of others or consciously which is I'm going to do this because I know this will help me to do something else mhm so you instead of just do you discover yeah you know that you are oh this is crazy what is happening now so let's see what it Where does it takes me uhuh living in the adventure of Adventure exactly that that's more consciously I can hear somebody saying like how do I know if I'm on purpose if I'm doing it consciously everything is a line and you are always on time you know the right person um and and usually things are more easy and happy okay like um you can tell because things go smooth okay and [Music] and and yeah it's it's easier everything is easier more synchronicity more so for people that are like can see the synchronicities and for people that are like hitting up against challenges and it's not in flow for them what would you recommend to support them in coming back into alignment well ask yourself the three questions 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words thoughts and actions that's a good reflection and for people I know that people ask about Free Will and Destiny how do you hold how do you hold that well Free Will is very difficult actually I think that the only people that has free will in this planet nobody knows them um maybe they are in a cave or something or in the middle of the forest and no one know knows who they are um free will it's a thing that you can only have from The Fifth Dimension Beyond but in the third dimension you are the result you are a consequence of your decisions so your free will have have created this reality give people a reference point for Dimensions like 30 and Fifth Dimension for those that don't know yeah so Dimension is basically a measurement of something mhm so it's a perspective of one reality um usually we believe that dimensions are levels where you have to go or to claim or to I don't know um yeah achieve uh but it's not like that uh a dimension is like for example uh one dimension of myself is high the other one is wide the other one is depth yeah so those are three dimensions then you have the dimension of time which is eternity that in the third dimension we eternity interpretate in past present and future we divide it in three yeah again because we are in the third dimension so we can only interpretate things in packages of three because we are in the third dimension uh but in The Fifth Dimension you have another understanding there's not only three options of movement there's also within and without uh through eternity which is the fourth dimension so it's only one thing that is being perceived in different ways yes and we in this reality we hav an evolve for that because we have the two eyes in front so we evolve to to do this yeah to have two options MH uh and in The Fifth Dimension you can see the hole so that's why we tend to say in The Fifth Dimension is heaven where the angels are the Masters are guiding us and these things because they can see M but they can't do we can do they can see so we cannot see but we can do so it's a team yeah it's like a like different points of view of one thing so when we talk about The Fifth Dimension The Observer which is The Fifth Dimension is able to decide what to see and mold the third dimension through time so it's a whole process of evolution until we exist so um if you have heard this concept of the quantum field field that we Define reality according to Observation so it's not our eyes is The Fifth Dimension which is a whole aspect of vision that can see everything and because it can see everything through time it can mold reality okay so in the third dimension you are the res result of that observation mhm like the physical world is a result is a reflection of the quantum field exactly so that means that you don't have free will uh it means that you have will that you can do that you can transform but you are a consequence of billions of years of processes of being observed so what you can do with it is to decide your destiny which is I exist like this I am the result of this I don't have free will but I can decide with what I am which direction I will move through okay um so you can decide kind of your destiny uh but your destiny is defined according to what you are today so it's like a paradox so you are free to choose but you already exist which means that you are not free from what you are so you have to deal with what you are know exactly what you are in order to decide freely what to do that's why the most important thing is to know who you are yeah because when you know exactly who you are you start to free yourself from all those Visions because you start to observe yourself right and know when check in with you so it's like a very long topic well no it's so deep and I you're the one that we we get to explore this with like you'll go there and so that one dimension or one level of Consciousness is to say that I don't have free will and then we then and I thought we were going to go this to this depth later in the conversation but I think we're going to it now okay um where that's one level of Consciousness where there is separation and that there is time yeah versus I would imagine that this kind of is it aligns where on a higher Dimension or a higher level of Consciousness there is no separation there is no time there's no Observer it's observing and it's all part of the one and so from that reality then there's no past life or it's just is right it is okay so for for people that think that they are a separate body mind then they have no free will they have will yeah and then when you awaken spiritually Beyond identification with the thoughts the body the mind then there's a realization that you are all of it and then there's yeah it's it's it's the ground of being exactly yeah but to get there you have to uh forget about yourself yes because yourself which is commonly called ego um is the one that holds you in this reality yeah is the one that helps you to survive so in order to see everything and be free you should forget that you exist so which is the most terrible existential crisis that everyone has to go through when they are trying to become the real self um which is like destroying yourself in every layer nothing and everything exactly I my path has always been questioning who I am it's like oh I am a girl I am this body I and then at one point it was questioning awareness that I am awareness because there was a subtle identity in you know duality of like awareness and everything else and so the path of real deeply listening and questioning who we think we are is what unfolds the conditioned mind into the unconditioned which is always here always alive whether we recognize it or not so that's really Spiritual Awakening yeah and that's why the the the most ancient Traditions they they used to um they used to leave very close to death like death was a very important part of every day it was not something like oh you leave and then you die no you die every day yeah and you have to learn how to die because that's how you set yourself free from the condition of who you areh and it's a it's a tough process uh and of course for the for the cultures that are craving for life or eternal life and they don't want to leave behind what you are or the family or or whatever you have built um it's very difficult because um and and then culture has mixed this this idea of that with ego yeah uh saying oh don't be egoistic but that that's not the point yes it's not about releasing everything and not not to be egoistic or egocentric like I'm not egoic you know it's like I am not there's more ego in that yeah when you say I am not it's is basically you are yeah it's still ego it's subtle It's Tricky so we have been trying to kill the ego all the time when the ego is is basically the one that helps to exist so it's not about to kill the ego it's about to understand what the ego is yeah uh which is beyond you and uh and I think that's one of the biggest mistakes that usually people do when they are trying to to go be spiritual yeah I think I think there's a misunderstanding that the ego is bad yeah and that which judges the ego is the ego and I think of it like a little kid it's just and it's it's helpful to have a psych like a personality and to move through the world to physically keep this body alive and yet integrating it and waking up to grad school like evolving from kindergarten you know it's just part of the process um and so we went deep right in which I love because that's the that's I feel like the most valuable part of the conversation we can have and I don't know how many people are sincerely interested in that because it does hit you up against an existential death there's a grip in the gut from the ego that wants to maintain and anything we resist is going to expand in our experience so really bring in compassion and curiosity into that I think chips away at some of the holding but without an agenda because what we are is always always here yeah with or without our conscious recognition of it and the concept also when when people say say free in English language um the connotation of the word is I have to set myself free from something yes I have to escape from something there is something that is haunting me there is something against that I have to escape from this and the word free free comes from a Nordic word which is fre uh which comes which means uh Brotherhood uh but also Freya means love so actually you are free when you love yeah and it's not the love of I I love someone else it's the love of I accept everything so you are only free when you don't escape that's right when you stop trying to find Freedom and you become everything yeah so that's why usually we don't have free will because we tend to believe that freedom is when you move ahead trying to get away from something get away from something my my spirit teacher Adia Shanti talks about freedom to versus freedom from which is essentially what you're speak freedom to is real Freedom not escapism I have to move away and get rid of these things but yes to my full Human Experience to find Freedom in all of it yeah it's beautiful and so this is that's the deepest conversation and I know that people some are interested in that and for people that are more so in the third dimension and scared of death I would love just to explore and hear experience or perspective of what happens when we die yeah well of course it's um death is part of the of the wave of the universe it's not like an end is like an ocean so it's life death Life Death so so it's like constant wave in which you are constantly in you you it never ends um It's just sometimes there are sto stms in the ocean sometimes it's flat yeah so uh but the waves are always there yeah so um so death is is is like in terms of binary is like one Z one 0er one zero right in the whole existence um so without death there's no meaning to the one without the void there's no meaning to the everything so the reason why we die is in order to finish processes to give meaning into the process so um and we usually are afraid of death because we we try we tend not to complete the processes so we have to repeat them and not knowing what is going to happen after um because we forget it uh the desperation of not knowing um that's the most scary thing but what happened when you die it's actually a consequence of the movement of your life so it's not about um going to heaven or hell it's about going to your own heaven or your own hell so because in the fourth dimension when you leave the Third Dimension the fourth dimension Dimension just expands what you have created in the third one so um according to how you lived you said the fourth dimension expands what you've created in the third which comes back to then purpose is more about the Consciousness in which you're doing things more than what you're doing exactly because then if it will be expanded you can be in total Bliss making the bed yeah okay yeah like there's a lot of people that are doing a lot of good in the planet but they live horribly MH like within they are sad or it doesn't matter how good you do um if you are not coherent within that's what you are going to expand so it's not about doing an effort to be accepted as a good person is about how do you feel within because the spiritual context makes so much sense to me because it doesn't it never felt fair or right in my younger self trying to understand that like people don't get equal opportunity like these you know and so I've heard different analogies of like this is Earth School we grow and evolve at this Human Experience but what you're speaking of also the coherence that feels right for me in my system because then it's about waking up to the love that I am to the love that is and okay yeah yeah and and if you don't if you not coherent with what you are supposed to do um you are going to create constant realities of trying to repair that uh uh so that's why whatever happens after is going to be according to that existence so for the person that's like recreating a pattern in their life and they see it m what I one of the things I'm hearing you say is to look at what's their coherence with their thoughts their words and their actions and to get into alignment so that they can get back into synchronicity and purpose okay yeah it's it's a constant questioning uhhuh is uh the question is the one that created us like created everything like who could I be what is my thought what do I feel uh what should I do like all these questions are the ones that shape who you are so when you question yourself constantly you transform yourself constantly and if you do that every day so you shavee yourself every day in a better option and sometimes that better option is not accepted by the morality of a culture yeah it's just your option so you have to go through that until you understand if that was right or not for yourself and um and that's why we usually project to other dimensions uh that's why it's so important how we act uh Humanity created morality uh as a way to define what is going to happen to you according to how you behave but what the problem with morality was that uh it was not about other dimensions or about yourself it was about if you don't do according to what the village is saying you might be left behind or die because no one will protect you so everything that we do in terms of good or bad is to be accepted by the group yes the her for safety for safety for survival exactly not for Transcendence yeah so when you start to think in terms of transcend Transcendence into another reality because when you die there's no her there's no family uh it's just you so whatever you're going to project in the in the next one is about yourself not about the others and if you project related to the others what happens is that you will constantly find lives that are kind of similar with the same kind of people repeating the same patterns and that can happen every day with every relationship so imagine that in thousands of years yeah yeah so then then I get you know and I'll just share I was raised Catholic and I remember a voice coming in when I was about 6 years old I came in very clear I had a deep knowing I remember I have two older brothers when I was about nine I remember looking in the mirror and being laughing I'm like cuz my brother's friend started liking me at that age and I remember being like oh this is who they think I am and just laughing and and having a deep connection and knowing and I think some of that got conditioned away from me through conforming and safety and wanting to fit in and also you know some authoritarian parenting and so part of what I hear you saying is like really having your own Spiritual Authority like building trust in a deep knowing within yourself and um I have so many different way ways that I want to weave in this conversation but um what would you say to people who can feel that they're up against something like being accepted by Community but knowing how do they really deepen in The Knowing of their truth to follow even when it's in the face in the midst of a perceived threat well that that example that you just said uh of oh this is what they think they I I am you have you have two options there uh or three options one is believing that that is you yeah which is what commonly we do all do MH like oh I accept that I am what the others expect from me yeah think I am that's the normal thing um the other option is fight against it like that's not me so I have to get rid of myself I have to change everything selfimprovement could fall under that trying to change myself exactly yeah um uh but also you can go very far away from your real purpose mhm because your purpose remember is according to the design that you are mhm so by escaping that design you are creating another option another version but will bring you more problems because you are hiding the real truth the real design that you had so the third option is acknowledging that that design is a tool it's not you and you can use that tool with awareness when it's needed which is uh for people usually it's um something that I don't know how to pronounce in English yeah which is hypoc hypocrisy hypocrisy okay yeah you're a hypocrite you're hypocrite perfect so um because it's like uh oh you are faking that you are someone that you are not yeah yeah that's what we all do literally that's interesting because that moment I felt like I didn't understand adults and I wanted to feel like I was connecting and understanding but I didn't understand the kids my age the adults and so I chose in I remember being like I want to choose in and understand this Human Experience at 9 and chose in and lots of trauma came from after making that choice yeah and that was really a redirect to come back into living a very spiritually oriented life to question who am I for me looking at the moon is my clarity and so what I also I'm hearing you say is that life will give you feedback when you're in alignment when you're out of alignment constantly and not bad not punishment but just as a guiding system yeah exactly yeah that what we perceive as punishment is actually something that is Out Of Tune yeah it's like you are an instrument so in order to play yourself yeah your own instrument you have to be tuned otherwise it would be like an annoying thing uh that of course people around will say like doesn't sound good so by resonance if you don't if you are not tuned in your own instrument whatever happens outside will be according to that resonance yeah so that's why you the situations that you leave around are not talking about what is happening around it's about what you are resounding what is your instrument resounding with uh and that's why it's a constant practice of of tuning like as you see every the musicians They Know music but every time that they are going to uh play the guitar they have to tune it yeah for every song they do it every time why because the vibrations that are around change the tuning even if you're not playing it mhm meaning that if you don't do anything the resonance from the outside will take you out of tune give you feedback yeah exactly so you have to constantly work in yourself in order to tune for every action and um related to where we were talking yeah the hypocrisy is for example switching the tune of your instrument to play one kind of music or the other and it's not not because you know how to play different types of music you're a hypocrite you're just an artist so sometimes you need to be someone for some people you need to be someone for someone for some others but when you use that consciously you start to use the personality as the tool and suddenly the personality doesn't Define who you are yeah you are just using it yeah is like saying today I decided to dress blue yeah uh just because I think that is needed for what I'm going to do but today but tomorrow you will change your clothes yeah so the same thing with the personality because it's not who you are is what you needed in order to do what you are supposed to do yeah I'm I'm just remembering because I there was something I forgot to share what that voice that was teaching me when I was a kid would put it in very simple sixth grade or uh yeah six-year-old um language was like and I was Catholic and so I had no reference point of anything other than that um but it would say that the body is like a Renta car yeah where you go to different cars over time and so um and I was later when I started getting into uh meditation Retreats I'm like oh that's called reincarnation you know and like oh that was just very and so whether you know people believe in that or not like there's it that for me makes so much sense and it's all back to like what actually supports you know what supports my own Evolution now yeah um but the the tuning that you were speaking of I don't want to make an assumption is that is that still living in coherence or are there spiritual practices that you're saying to not get so identified or not identifying with the ego essentially um whether there be spiritual practices psychological practices or just living in alignment is that what you mean by it's basically to try to live constantly in in in alignment it's like your spirit your true self is the artist the musician the instrument is your personality and your body and so you have to tune your thoughts your feelings on your body the actions yeah in order for the music to sound uh otherwise if you're not connected correctly with the true self you don't know how to play your song yeah uh so that's why the path of coherence is always tuning yourself always tuning your life in between thoughts emotions and actions um this is making me so happy because I used to be a licensed psychotherapist and I started a coaching Institute that has an integrative methodology and what we do is helping people with their thoughts emotions um their actions their own conscious program so it's like all very much in alignment with what you're sharing and I can hear yeah anytime just for people just to land this if you're feeling like you're unconsciously recreating a pattern really do some of that tuning to live in alignment with your truth even if it goes against society's beliefs that's why it's the questioning yourself is is essential yeah who I think I am who who all all the questions and doubt mainly to doubt about everything as a way to discover everything so like living with a question mark being in in Curiosity Discovery constantly yeah yeah because otherwise you transform um a feeling or an emotion in faith and when you when you have faith you stop questioning so you stop uh perfectioning yourself in the possibility of you becoming God and you allow the univers un to decide what to do because you have faith so that's why you have to always doubt always question always question question a little bit more yeah like H is this the right path is this true is this really me is this what I want to do um all the time and then existentially like it's really this is really real is there a god or you know like that's good for the divine yeah yeah I think people deeply want to feel safe in the world and I think they deeply want to feel like there's a TR they can trust life yeah for people that are listening and they're just like I want to embrace this way of living more do you have any words of wisdom or or story or perspective to support them in in letting go and and trusting more that it's unfolding for them or like there's nothing really to fear in that way well the first question for that is what is my relationship with Mom and Dad uh because usually we tend to oh let's go to the universe but our cells have been designed because of mom and dad and um the first meeting the first encounter and not only that because of all the history in our genetics so our relationship with Mom is the relationship we have with Matrix our relationship with that is the relationship we have with all the patterns so so that's what defines us towards the cosmos so when we start to try to connect with everything the question is um what is my relationship with Mom what is my relationship with Dad and from there you start to build um the idea of how to expand your Consciousness because that's what defines who you are now um and usually we tend to to go beyond to go outside to go to another levels of consciousness too fast but like a bypass yeah trying trying to to escape into something greater yes yeah and so it's what just pause because I want to double click on that I think a lot of people get into spirituality because they're trying to avoid something or they think it's like Enlightenment would be this golden ticket to opt out of human The Human Experience everyone who enter in spirituality it's 100% trying to escape the reality yeah um the people who who are spiritual they were never looking for spirituality basically um because um yeah because basically um when we talk about spirituality usually we relate spirituality or spirit with Spirits something that is impossible to touch something that is invisible so if it's invisible what do I do I project the idea of my mom into Mother Earth I project the idea of the perfect Dad into God or the cosmos so I'm not treating Earth and the universe as they are I'm treating them as I would love for my parents to have been with me I was not thinking you were going to go there but I love it yes yeah so so that's why Humanity usually don't think think how plants think about God for example yeah like plants have a totally different way to understand what God is and uh but we created this perception of mammals um which is completely different so it's usually um of course we can shape the universe according to who we are but uh but when we are trying to find the answers not as they are but as we expect for them to be the first question is how am I dealing with that totally yeah and then to not opt out of the human experience but to actually go into it to to do some psychological healing and as So within as within so without so that there's a projection Life as a mirror and so as we do that deeper work I hear that it would naturally reflect in the I would say coming back to the very origin of the word Spirit it comes from the Latin word spir which means to breathe mhm so what is a spiritual being a spiritual being is the one that knows how to breathe so if you know how to breathe is because you are calm in the present you kind of think about everything that you are doing to your body with every breath so taking care of every part of your body uh so a spiritual being is the one that lives here and now not the one that wants to go there yeah theologically t yeah and but I love the like groundedness and the rootedness of just here and now and really saying yes to our direct experience as it is yeah that's more of the freedom to freedom from and and in that willingness there's transformation that happens and then deeper integration it's not a bypass yeah and the deeper you go within suddenly there is something that cracks in and when you go to the very origin of who you actually are which is beyond the atoms and when you go to the essence of it suddenly from a deep breath you are in a galaxy mhm and you are feeling an alien and you're feeling so suddenly it's it was just because you were doing the work of going to who you are who I am who I am who I am deeper into that question not going away but going deeper who to within and the layers that you have to grasp first is the biological ones um which have mold the psychological ones so by Design By Design yeah yeah would you say that because earlier just looping back earlier you said we put it in front of us the like the the the purpose was was that I mean I we we were kind of talking dimensions and things but are we who put that in front like what was the Observer The Observer okay yeah the Observer with the intention for Spiritual Evolution or deeper integration by mistake say more this experiments well it's the question like I The Observer is just one eye observing itself mhm like one point of view one perspective the whole which creat it's void yeah uh when it's like all the forces together equals zero mhm so imagine everything observing exactly the same point is equal nothing so basically the void so what happened one of those aspects looked around so it was like taking a a view outside the center when that tiny point of You observe into a different direction what happened is created Duality MH and Duality opened the chance for polarity and bip poity it means observation so now there's there's no more void now there's something else that I can observe outside from that void and seemingly yeah yeah so when that tiny thing moved away it created a wave and that wave made everything to turn to the outside so instead of observing it's like if all the colors of the uh how do call this in English the eye eye theed the color part yeah the color of your eye yeah so it's like you see all this these lines going to the center so what do you have a black hole in the center that captures light yeah so imagine now that everything does like this uhuh what you have is white around so the everything and the nothing is contained just because of the point of observation yeah so which are all the race of light so if they are all observing within it's void if they are all observing outside it's the everything that's why the Paradox that I am everything and nothing yeah exactly so because of that we started to create different points of view yeah and different perceptions so now for example as humans we have two eyes that reminds us that in order to concentrate something in front a purpose MH I need two eyes to balance it I cannot perceive the third dimension without at least two eyes um so I need that in order to see the distance between things so what is the purpose is the ability to focalize two points of view one within one outside in a third option and that's how a purpose exists so um that's why it's a Holy Trinity yeah and I'm I I really hear because I'm even thinking about people that are feeling stuck in the third dimension wanting to evolve thinking that the fourth or fifth is better that's still more escapism yeah and so then it's just really it's not better fully being where four mission is terrible like what tell me tell me more it's terrible because it's eternity so the fourth dimension is all at times imagine fourth dimension is like instead of taking a trip to the mountains you take a trip to history so as you walk in the middle of the forest every tree is actually a past life that are combined and doesn't make any sense so if you are not properly organized the fourth dimension is Hell mhm so it's basically bringing to you every memory that is aligned to what you are today so if you're are suffering in The Eternity you will Echo towards you everything that happened to your soul related to suffering through eternity that's why we can relate it to hell yeah yeah because that's fourth dimension is it's not like yeah what motivation then now to really clean it up and prioritize having a open Clean your mind and heart and living in alignment and the coherence totally yeah so every Dimension can be horrible if we are not aware of yeah how to move through it um so when we think that living in the third dimension is a trap and we have to escape from the third dimension to go to heaven or something like that uh we we are kind of becoming Christians again um which is a very uh in way of thinking um in terms of morality uh and morality means um an agreement between people that live in one place so um the moral codes of that Community moral codes well moral means to to it's the same word for morade so it's like where someone leaves so morality is according to where you live subjective it's very subjective so so people created an idea of what heaven and hell are according to what for their culture is heaven or hell and according to how you will behave you will go to one or the other and this perception of some traditions because not all all of them do the same but for some traditions that were World spread worldwide um the idea of the fourth dimension and the fifth Dimension are related to this heaven or hell so we are bounded constantly by this thing of I have to do the right thing I have to or if I do the wrong thing this will happen but when you enter another dimension is completely different unless you create yourself that heaven yeah uh or that hell and you will leave that yeah and you will until living that reality s suddenly you will start to die I was like is this heaven like yeah what motivation to really take back our own spiritual autonomy and live in alignment with our truth then what is it motivation no I mean that feels like motivation hearing you say that I'm like that gives more permission to just be autonomous and follow your truth even if others don't get it or align with it yet um but I I did hear I did hear you talk about that a lot of people have been traumatized ized by religion and kind of got disconnected from this magical way of living and you know I I think we might be aligned in the sense of like I'm very mystical and I I I used to study comparative mysticism death death dying in the afterlife in college I would study all like I love the heart of every religious and spiritual tradition like the the essence and love of it but I also know religion can be really traumatizing for people and the codes and the rules and the way people have interpreted it how did you can you elaborate a little bit on how you under how you what your thought process was well religion is like personality it's a tool it's a tool for people that cannot go deeper within themselves because they have to figure out something else so it's easier for a lot of people that needs to accomplish certain purposes that requires concentration in the third dimension to have faith in something that is pre-written and someone tells you what to do yeah because it's easier yeah and there's no problem in the universe with that like it's a law so um so it's good if you don't bother anyone else so it's it's fine it's good um so I would say that religions are tools um and but is there are not the way yeah there are tools to find the way yeah and I think any good teacher or religion really points back to our own truth totally the the the real religious people the ones that are spiritual within religions because most of people that are in religion they're not spiritual people they are um just religious people which means they follow something that is written but they don't understand the words but there are few religious people that understand the words uh the meaning behind them and the reason why is because they don't take them as they are written they question them um so they make them their own they really sit with and like contemplate yeah and that's why they can trust the words that are written um in in a different way um so I think that there are some spiritual people in religions that are wandering and can share wisdom from from that totally um the thing is that for religions as I said religion is like like this is the way that we have designed to reach something when you start to question the way you start to get trapped in the system and that's why most of the people suffer from it and the problem some the problem basically is that um when someone suffers in a religion usually starts to be against the religion and the religion is not the problem yeah uh actually the problem is the people that are afraid of losing control of other people so it's like for example people blame money yeah money is not the problem yes is what people believe about the money what is the problem yeah money exaggerates what we're holding in our Consciousness about it exactly so so um so when we blame politics no it's just that these people are wrong in their coherence yeah uh when we talk about religions are useless no they are not useless it's just that the people that are in religions are trying to control your life so or they're following a set of rules rather than their truth about it exactly yeah and there are certain teachings I think that are supportive I've heard this in a lot of um like Zen teachings like use the boat the tool the perspective to cross the river but then when you're when you've crossed the river Let It Go exactly like it helped for a c period of time now I'm going to fifth grade or yeah yeah and you done burn the boat yes you don't judge the boat it's all good it terrible because it was too small and now I know that I can sail the ocean yeah but but it was good you needed it and um and so that's why when uh you shouldn't escape from it yeah you should you should try to understand the level of Consciousness that is because what you said that boat was built across the river not the ocean that's right so if you're willing to go to the ocean just thank the boat that helps you to cross the river yeah to go to the shore yeah um and in that in that way you are going to make you are making peace with that and it's not about religion it's it's not about religion it's about how people believe or act according with the tools that we have around yeah that's very well said yeah very empowering and and let's talk about money because I think some of these I just want to you know we can get a little bit more grounded where people go pretty unconscious into money how do you how do you hold money I think I've heard you say that you're a fan of spending money rather than just saving it yeah but talk talk to I'm a good SP yeah talk to us about money and and having a really healthy relationship with it or how you perceive it well I think that money is is another tool MH before it was seeds um and we use it in the same way yeah uh people killed for SS in the past as people is killing today for printed paper that has no value yeah yeah um but uh we have we have given value to many things in in history to different objects to different things is about what we appreciate about them uh but it's a way of of earning value or exchanging value yes and that value can be an action or that value can be just time presence listening to someone or that value can be food um but the value is not in the object the value is in what you're doing with it so um if you if you earn a lot of money and keep a lot of money what is the value in your life it's a good question yeah it's a story that would be a story for some people of security and safety versus if you don't cash in on it where other than the story of false security and safety what is the value exactly there there's there's no value on having money in your bank account if you're not living it because it's about exchanging so that's why I rather spend my money in experiences with people friends uh projects than actually having it because having it uh it it's just trying to tell me that I don't value myself that I don't value Who I Am by not spending it you're saying by not sharing it oh by not sharing it but because it's not about I give you money it's about I give you an experience I share an experience with you I I I give value to you uh for what you are doing um so I cannot I don't know I cannot cook you so so I give you this money so you can have someone to cook for you yeah so we we accomplish in our society a way in which um I don't know the word in English um when you do something for the this kind of exchange yeah um exchange but not not uh money uh exchange like a chicken a trade yeah you know like I have two chickens you have a pig you know this kind of these kind of things that in the past used to work because we were like I don't know 100 people in the village and each one was specialized in something but today way more complex yeah um how can a Healer survive yeah just giving you raiki it's like no like you have to eat yeah but for someone that hour of raiki or that five minutes of raiki worth $1,000 because it changed the person's day or or life sometimes yeah so the value that you can give to things is is according to what you are sharing with others mhm and so um it doesn't matter the shape of it it can be money it can be seats it can be listening yeah um and so if people can't spend it or they're not H they're having a hard time giving or receiving you know some of the work that I would do with people is to look at Mom and Dad or whoever that raised them and what did they learn money was from them originally and then is that actually their truth now to support having more of that flow and that value Exchange in that experience yeah it's import it's important to question what is value for us in our life what do we value life and what's my truth around it is what I inherited my truth and how I actually want to relate to money yeah exactly yeah what about relationships how do you see relationships from a spiritual perspective well there was ones that I that um a friend asked me um I I kind of deal with this breakup that I should have and and how do you how would you describe the way of transcending this and I was like well in when there's a proton and an electron like so unromantic um but but um basically the reason why everything exists is because of the interaction between positive and negative so everything that exists is magnetic so it has two poles is a polarity yeah and it cannot create or exist without polarity but also there's a truth if you get stuck with this only polarity and you don't exchange or change the electrons around you you would never create a molecule which means transcend yourself into another existence you will never transform yourself in another element so there's no Alchemy um and we use this word chemistry like is there Chemistry Between of course it's all about chemistry it's all about uh how my molecules combine with your your molecules and sometimes when there's a lot of protons sharing between one another we call it toxic so so if it's too much positivity in both sides there is a toxicity in the environment so too many protons in one only place uh so I see relationships as a way to combine and create new elements new chemistry new Transformations and possibilities for experiences but if you keep the same one in the same way and repeat exactly the same pattern constantly well you become a rock not a human yeah um and more livess yeah there's more growth and evolution through it exactly and and that's why we need conflict that's why we need um changes that's why when someone growth spiritually and suddenly recognize who you are suddenly the first thing that you do is get divorced or separate look within start doing the work exactly because now you cannot relate with the same person yeah because that that person was showing you a mirror of polarity that you needed in that moment but now you changed that polarity so you cannot mirror anymore with with that person so I think that when we start to understand that relationships are links to evolve yes and not something to tide or void MH yeah um or be scared of yeah uh but uh something that helps us transcend and to be free because uh we are still believing that relationships are like marriages like oh we it has to work and the only way it can work is if it lasts forever and you live happy ever after yeah too much Disney conditioning too much Disney yeah um but that design is something that mainly was born in the Middle Middle East um it was a way of surviving yes um we've actually not been as a species to we've not evolved that far from just being in marriages for survival purposes because it was easier to work together and to you know surv in that way and have a family and I like what you're saying and this is very much about what I what I speak to and teach as well is like relationships can be a path for and a vehicle for Spiritual Evolution to see what we've not been able to see within ourselves yes to see ourselves and that contrast The Duality right and the challenges aren't bad but they can be used to heal and grow stronger together if you choose whether you choose to stay with them or not it's still a mirror for a part of your the Part of Yourself MH and and I you know when I was I got a master's program in spiritual psychology and the third year I did optional which which is a health Consciousness health and healing and I had a dream that felt more channeled and I woke up and I drew this beautiful drawing and it was kind of Yin and Yang without going in details about it but it was like your part of your work is to help people understand that the darkness isn't bad and a lot of Darkness that I speak to is more about the void which is more like the pure potential the ground of well-being and I know you I would love to hear your thoughts and perspectives on good and bad um right and wrong to help wake people up out of some of the condition Paradigm of that yeah well related to the relationships is like when bad things starts to happen we we tend to say it didn't work yeah but actually it worked that's right it gave you back exactly because um a relationship that doesn't work is actually showing you more growth than one that actually works because when when a relationship works is because you are you are balanced so you are in a moment of stability of your life but when you are transforming yourself it doesn't work because you need to move to keep on going yeah uh so so that perspective of oh it was a bad relationship yeah um no actually it helps you a lot the problem is that we try to go back to the same thing to try to fix it like oh it didn't work last time so let's try it again let's try it again and we we are fixers by mind because our brain is designed to fix problems fix problems totally yeah fix problems all the time so so we we are trying to fix the other person yeah like oh it didn't work so maybe I if I fix him if I fix her or if I change myself then I can make it work exactly yeah and it's not exactly how it works like of course you have to transform yourself but not because it has to work for the other person yeah but because there's something that it doesn't ReSound with you so oh I have to tune myself uh in something different and this connects with the good or bad because uh nothing in the universe is actually good or bad in the universe is trying is a test it's like it's a laboratory yeah it's like okay I have to try this oh didn't work like oh this doesn't tune right so um this doesn't sound properly but for example let's say um talking about music for someone that plays all the day I don't know uh crystal balls and meditate and sings mantras well heavy metal is not you know like the right thing like oh no that's bad but for heavy metal people it's like Oprah yeah you know so so what is good and what is bad what is Out Of Tune and what is in tune because some some of the heavy metal uh singers know more about how to ha frequency than someone that is singing mantras yeah totally so so what is to be in tune yeah um so when you pay attention to that you have to you start to understand that um the universe has also this test of what is Out Of Tune what is in tune and darkness is actually the creator of reality so all the beauty that we see was designed by something that made light be trapped in a system because basically we are light but moving slower because Darkness so Darkness helped us exist Darkness allowed this beauty to exist darkness is the one that cut the light of the Divine and created a rainbow like cut it in pieces like you can you can think about it as a war cutting you know like an angel in pieces but suddenly you have a rainbow yeah and beauty and Beauty yeah and all the possibilities so when you think in those terms suddenly darkness is actually a Creator and when you try to put it all together and to make white light again Darkness will say hey what are you doing like if the colors were beautiful like it's like it's like going to an artist house house and try to clean it all and put away all the colors and saying it's good if everything is white yeah and I was like because it's clean and the artist would say like what are you talking about like I need to make a mess uh I need to throw something I need to ruin my brushes you know um to to figure out things that I have never seen before so darkness is kind of that MH it's it's not against light because uh there's a war between light and darkness is against light because uh it's trying to divide light to produce more options and uh light is trying to always reminding Darkness to find the Harmony in all those options so we could be a team let's say like light is the parents that are telling the children you can do a mess but then you have to pick everything up and you have to put order in your room like it's okay if you play but then organize everything there's a space for all of it exactly yeah but sometimes are the children that say that to the parents uhhuh so yes coming back to accepting all of it exactly and I love what you're saying because right the mind is what constructs and divides good and bad you know right and wrong and yet from different points of view it's all it just is and so but love that you keep talking about this being curious being honest with your own Attunement and essentially saying yes to all of it I think that's such a beautiful way to live and as we and what I'm hearing is as we come into living in coherence and Harmony here and now yeah that supports more of that Consciousness to live into in whatever other dimensions and and of course when when someone that never did the inner work of this Darkness and Light Within listens to this one of the main reactions that people has is like oh then I have to accept that there are P pedophiles uh like or or killing or War Y and that's where I want to go good good I think it's important um because it's not about oh I H I have to accept it and do nothing yes because when you work for the Consciousness and the light what is your job to bring Harmony and what is harmony for everyone to be in harmony coherently and happy kind of happy yeah yeah let's say in plitude um so when there's in the process of trying to discover a new way there is people that is unhappy Out Of Tune disorganized so there comes the action of the people that wants to help them yes to find the harmony again their exactly but and that's when we have to take actions that's why we are doing all this yeah that's right we we are doing all this to try to avoid these kind of situations try to heal these kind of situations but if we are against these kind of situations we are never healing them I think a lot of people think acceptance means complacency yeah and acceptance is an internal okay this is what is and if I argue with that it doesn't change the past no so internally saying yes this is what it is and externally taking AC to support their atunement and healing rather than and you know there's choices and consequences in this life we you know put people in jail if they're breaking the rules or but it it's a lot of people that are traumatized continuing that and so how do we not add to that how do we come into harmony within ourselves and be a space to support more of that harmonization on a global level of course that's that's that's the thing it's okay um if I stay at home complaining about oh there's Darkness outside yeah and I don't go outside to bring Harmony and I go outside to fight against it yes so what I'm doing is basically giving power to the opposite yeah and I make it I make the war vager that's right and I think the most important work we can do is within our own Consciousness first and as we live in coherence and Clarity within ourselves that becomes a natural expression for how we live in the no separation because every every person that is doing something wrong yeah or Out Of Tune which means they're making other people's lives out of tune MH um is because actually is a child that was not able to have an environment that taught them how to be in tune so I every time that you see a person that is doing uh a s or that is doing the evil yeah in the world the acceptance thing is to try to think how was their life when they were six five years old that's right so think about every children that are living a situation that um that for us today is like oh this child is suffering compassion but maybe in 20 years that child will be a yeah terrible because of what happened when he's five so all the people that we think oh they are terrible people they they actually might have had a very terrible childhood often times they did and when I when working as a therapist the more I would hear somebody's Story the more I understood how they became the way that they are again I can have acceptance compassion but it doesn't mean I would condone a behavior and so I think people think I need to be in resistance and put somebody to jail or take ction but it's like you can actually find Harmony and peace inside of you there's a place for the anger there's a place for our Human Experience to process that and then come into balance if we choose to so that we anything we're giving out we're actually experiencing and then we can still take action and kind of I think shift the Paradigm to shift that pattern you know I don't know i' I've done an AIC record reading with somebody and and the more I do that work I'm like I don't know maybe I was that I have that same pattern in this life that I've played out unconsciously or in another life and who am I to judge but I do I do know that my life is to to to use everything for my growth and to come into peace but I don't know what their spiritual curriculum is and it's not my place to know exactly but if I'm in judgment I'm actually repeating the very thing that I'm judging them and doing in that moment projection work essentially you are nourishing that option in the universe yeah uh it's like for example um there are many things like happening today with um I don't know like the war in the Middle East for example and um today because everyone is talking about it they expect for me to say something about it and I not and the reason why is because I'm not going to fulfill the need of someone yeah of me entering award that is not mine my work is consciousness yeah it's not about deciding who is wrong who is Right m um so and and this is this is in in in many topics in many in many things that are happening in in life people tend to go to the Opposites yeah trying to think or believe that um whatever is wrong for them is wrong for everyone and and there's a bigger picture happening yeah but I really hear you staying true to your own uh autonomy and to what feels right for you and it doesn't mean because you're ending the war inside of yourself I think that's again one of the most important things and some of us will feel called to you know support war in the Middle East support nature and you know like environmental other people will do work with you know I used to work as a psychotherapist so we all have different callings and we can follow that but again all comes back to starting within ourselves and clearing that division exactly within us yeah and and as you said there is a conflict for each person so we cannot all be in all the conflicts yeah so we cannot because otherwise we wouldn't have a complete Vision so uh you need people fighting for something you need people talking about something you need people meditating about something so we all complete the whole picture yeah and uh uh today um well today no all human history uh we have been constantly acting as hurts running in the middle of the forest trying to survive together and if one thought differently he was left behind and so that's why most of the people talk about things or support things that they don't understand because they're afraid that if they speak out or have a different experience then they will not be accepted by your tribe and then you are left out and you die yeah exactly yeah it runs deep in our nervous system it's very ancient yes seven years the epigenetics yeah it's very ancient it's like you being in a cave it's not about school yeah yeah it's very ancient it's in your cells and your guts uh something that you cannot Escape is the subconscious yeah uh you can you can not even dominate it you can uh learn about it and try to handle it uh by using the unconscious to become conscious yes um and some people think that being conscious means to be a good person and or yeah these kind of things um um like uh today with social media and everything there is a lot of conspiracy theories for example I don't usually speak about them uh because uh I don't want to nourish yes that idea said oh so you are denying that happens no I'm not denying them it's just that I don't want to feed your energy to it to give power to it this kind of leads me to where I want to shift the conversation a little bit to manifestation yeah and manifesting our full potential what is your perspective how do you support people in being conscious creators how do you how do you hold manifestation well uh I the word the the word manifestation also uh money and Fest uh means uh to do a party with your hands yeah it's funny I I love like to make a party with your hands like manifesta so so um also in Latin so what it means it means that from your heart you project and you create what is here I love that so so manifestation requires coherence of feeling so you cannot manifest a reality if you don't fully believe within or sense and feel that that is actually true um so the coherence is the foundation again yeah again because the coherence is like the three notes to make a cord yeah and and part of the work that I do is help people question their limitations or beliefs or somatically integrate the fear in their body so that they can come from a clean slate and accelerate manifestation of course and of course there are different types of manifestation um like I i' I've heard once that here the states it was very powerful a book or a movie that the secret the secret Yeah the secret and a lot of people thought that just by thinking about it they could have a car yeah I know I know it's not how it works thing not exactly how it works it was a good step it made a lot of people start getting curious yeah it created a lot of of awareness about oh you can you are the creator of her own reality but there are many other laws of the universe that's right yeah that's right and um and again we come back to the Des sign that you are like um let's say if you're a circle and you're trying to create a square it's going to be complicated yeah to fit it in your reality so when you understand who you are you understand the tools that you have to manifest and sometimes we follow the ways of others to manifest uh so we read a book and you say oh this person teach me exactly how to manifest and I do that like I do my alter I do this and then put that but maybe it's not working for you because you're a circle and I'm a square yeah you know and um so you have to find your own way of of creating the geometrical structure for that geometry that is around you to fit inh um and that requires to create your own so that's the manifestation coming it's like you have to take action into create by your own self yes the shape of that reality uh because if you follow the mold of of others you might not you're out of alignment yeah um because some people has a huge power of manifestation and some others needs to work harder like let's say something very simple um if you are a Pisces you will manifest through dreaming going outside and getting lost in the city and not knowing where you are and suddenly you find someone that helps you and you manifested something beautiful but that's the Pisces way of doing it if you're a Capricorn you have to work at least five years to accomplish something it's like your design requires time frustration test uh to Value yourself so so um if you are trying to manifest like a Pisces being a Capricorn you will suffer because instead of just enjoying the walk you will be thinking it's going to be in the next Corner uh how should I work maybe I should do this like first with the right foot or you know that Capricorn too mental so um so we have different designs in how to manifest and by knowing ourselves we can actually yeah uh know better which one is our way yeah and I would also say doing the work to clear the subconscious misunderstandings or limitations also helps put us in alignment totally but I've been on this I've becoming a joyologist this summer where I'm studying joy and what brings me aliveness talk to us about the importance of joy in manifestation yeah totally yeah totally because [Music] um when you for example it's a chemical reaction when you uh the frequency are happy uh um or where when you do things that makes you laugh um no matter what it is you are sending a signal to your brain to generate specific hormones that will push your cells to react in one way or the other and just by laughing or smiling so it creates a complete different mindset because your neuron starts to perceive the reality in a different way it starts to to receive codes from the outside saying oh wait a moment something terrible is happening but this person is laughing somehow so the brain starts to process what is happening as an opportunity instead of a of a limitation um and uh and educating your brain to laugh and to enjoy yeah the process instead of suffering it and saying why it's never working for me why me and these kind of things uh it's like it's like um going to the gym for the brain uhhuh that's right inner exercise you're training your Consciousness to then and also with your laughing or your smiling it tells your nervous system that you're safe right and that help and anytime we have a big emotional experience whether positive or negative quote unquote your subconscious will take a screenshot of like let me avoid that or let me create more of that so the more you're consciously choosing that focusing on gratitude or joy you experience that you you also tell yourself and yourselves that what you want is safe yeah totally I I I had this experience of um in 2012 I was traveling around the world and I was so afraid and insecure of myself of what I was doing I wasn't I was accomplishing my mission but I wasn't fully believing in what I was what I was doing so I was afraid of sharing it yeah and so every time that someone wanted to make an interview to me I would say no I'm I'm afraid of the camera like like no no no I don't uh so I was worried all the time about uh this is going to kill me like um people will know that I don't trust myself like like these kind of things like I was very worried about being filmed or interview about anything yeah and um and that same year uh I was kidnapped oh in parai in the middle of the forest by natives with arrows and yes guns and everything and uh and I and there was one pointing in my head with this gun and one of my guides from The Fifth Dimension appear in my side and leaned towards me softly and said after this the camera is nothing and I started to laugh because he made a joke in that terrible situation but totally changed my perception of what was happening I was like oh now I'm not I'm not going to be AF Afraid of Anything WoW instead of right saying I'm going to die how did I attract this why is this happening to me yeah exactly I was like wait a moment like now I can talk to a camera it was it was different the the perception was like I'm not afraid of a camera now instead of I'm going to die yeah no kidding yeah that's incredible and we all have that choice how we hold it we we all have guides and guidance yeah um actually I would love for you to speak to that like for people that are struggling or in a hard situation can you talk to us about the Unseen guidance or something that people the support that they can lean into if they're wanting to feel that in their life yeah well when we talk about interdimensional um we have to remember that we are all one thing and that one thing starts to split two three four five and so on and doubles itself for billions and billions so only one be become billions of beings trillions and quadrillions or whatever eternity of beings that are only one but all of them observe this the reality from different points of view yeah so sometimes what we call a guide or a master is just ourselves observing ourselves from a different dimension so it's not separate beings that are guided us is just ourselves observing us from a different point of view but they cannot speak directly because they don't have the experience of what is this so the only way I can interact with them is if I open myself to recognize that I am them beautiful not that there's other people that I have to hear yeah uh or see yeah is actually myself and and when I and that's with everything and everyone not just the guides yeah exactly with everything yeah so um so in that in those terms everything can speak to youh suddenly a plant can be a master a stone can tell you things yes a wall can tell you things like I used to speak with everything in my home like the door the glasses uh because a glass is made of sand and the sand was in a Beach and and it has the Sea and the transformation of the river and the mountain and so there are so many frequencies and and and information everywhere that when you realize that you are also that and that your cells in order to be a cell needed silica to shape the cell and the silica is also in the sand that cleated the glass so suddenly you are yeah so you can speak with silica and you can speak with the mountain just by being the mountain so it's not about I hear voices or or there's someone talking to me it's about me allowing myself to become so the less I identify with the more I am exactly and so the less the like reference point is a single self body mind opening awareness to the larger truth of what we are than we wake up to being all of it mhm yeah there there's so much I mean I could talk to you forever it's one of the most fascinating enlightening heartfelt conversations I think I've ever had there's ways that you can weave in spiritual dimensions and perspectives which I hang out less in I'm really most interested in Enlightenment and waking up to the truth of who and what I am and there's a way that you can articulate it that's fresh and Innovative and clear and so I just want to thank you for that thank you and I I want to ask you one last question yeah is there is there something that we are not exploring or not a question that we're not asking that we should be that would really change everything for [Music] us um maybe yeah well of course there are many things but um it's related to the mistake there's um something that has been mistaken in the universe and that we don't usually think about and and it's whole in everything and it's just a tiny little mistake that we give for granted and it's maybe not philosophical it's something hidden that uh it's very difficult to rasp or even question um but I would say um we have this thing of oh things are mistaken and then spirituality we say there are no mistakes um and uh and one of the reasons why I say this is because one of the of the things that I could connect with was how can a mistake know that is a mistake if its very nature is to be a mistake and from that there are many things to dive in that opens a whole other aspect which is outside of this universe and it's a very complicated thing because it's outside the laws of this universe so I think that's a very thing that we don't usually uh um that we are not asking uh somehow that there seems to be a mistake that is so perfect that it doesn't look like that it looks perfect yeah and andar can you be more like explicit about it can you share like if it were if I were a fifth grader uh well it's it's like you created um the most perfect Lego cast mhm and it's like wow it's a perfect Lego castle uh that it says that has a um 100 um like a billion pieces and you have one in your hand but it's perfect so what is this why if I put everything where it was supposed to be what am I doing with this one with one that is missing there's one missing in the whole thing and I don't know what the castle can become if I put it but I don't know where it goes mhm so so I get the analogy but I don't get the practicality that's why we never talked about it so is is is the mistake in our thinking or an identity no no it's it's not even from this world so so that's why it's it's like something that uh it's a very philosophical thing uh that is the basis of all existence so it's not something that is practical in our daily life that's for sure but uh it's something that is coming more often MH and um and I am trying to figure out what it means somehow like I think a lot of people is is into that now doing kind of that question I don't know how but um yeah it's it sounds like it you currently working on discovering and articulating what this is yeah to be able to share with people is that right yeah because there are many many stories that I have been sharing about it but I didn't go deeper into them because I don't understand them okay yeah okay cuz maybe it's outside the realm of mind maybe or not okay well to be it sounds like a very it sounds mysterious and sounds it's it's another episode another episode to be continued for the cosos yeah let's do it 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