the game is to be where you are be it honestly and as consciously as you know how watch the latest ramas documentary film becoming nobody on gaia.com of course there was fear in losing that familiar identity but there was always also wonder the gaia.com library supports you with transformational content see it for yourself and go to guy.com beow and check out the beow playlist curated just for you visit gaia.com beow and start your free trial today [Music] hi everyone this is Ragu Marcus with another edition of ramdas here and now and this is a a very big moment in time for us and and uh it has to do with what many of you have already heard over the last few weeks about our new ramdas film called becoming nobody well it's going to finally see the light of day and it's been a 4-year labor of love uh many people involved of course particularly jado who is the director and co-producer with me on the film and uh so you could say well four years that's a long time and uh when you see the picture it's very very much a wonderful representation of of the Arc of ramdas is life and teachings and I'm going to get into it uh I'm going to play some of the so what we did is we took excerpts from many uh talks from ramdas and uh and wo a blanket we feel which is really quite a wonderful piece and uh there's great great uh archival footage of ramdas and pictures and uh wonderful uh film b-roll that uh connects with what romdas is talking about that makes it a lot of fun there's a fantastic interview that is a threat that runs throughout the picture that Jamie did with romdas several years ago and uh it's it's pretty delightful so I'm really happy that this is seeing the light of day what you can do to get an idea of it all is go to becoming no.com and there is a place so the the film will be out uh across the certainly on the west and east coast and then filling in uh to to a select amount of theaters it's going to be you know 30 40 theaters uh through this fall across the country but at becoming no.com you can just uh you'll be able to navigate towards where all the theaters are the showtimes the dates and everything you can even connect there to buy tickets in advance which would be a great thing of course the with the theaters the more people that are showing up uh in especially in the first few days then of course they'll they'll keep it on for a longer time so um yeah becoming no.com do go there the first thing I'm going to do is play the trailer that we created of course the audio of the trailer which gives a real idea of the thread that was created uh in this film a little unbeknownst to us after we had come up with the title becoming nobody it was only then that we started looking at uh actually what happened is at one point months ago many months ago as this was all being finished and so on um I was doing a podcast with Romas meaning I was taking um excerpts of previous talks that he had given and stuff that interested me that I wanted to share and there was this one line just after we had uh given the title becoming nobody you know for the film and there was this beautiful one line that romd came up that said came up with that said only nobody gets free it flipped me out I couldn't believe that that he had addressed this you know I'm talking I don't know 20 30 years ago 20 years ago something like that um in that way so we actually made a little t-shirt of it I it was pretty good uh only nobody gets free somebody said to me the other day how about only nobody gets out of here alive I I like that even better anyhow so when you you'll hear this um the trailer uh the audio and uh it's all around Ram's concept of how we all go through somebody training right from birth through childhood in in our formative years all of these habitual patterns and neurotic Tendencies are created to create this wonderful somebody that we then spend a lifetime um evacuating that concept of ourselves that story We Tell ourselves and and those of you that listen to my uh other podcast mind rolling know that I have been spending aot lot of time around uh the way that we glue ourselves to our thoughts the way that we really believe our stories and how it really uh is problematic to have any kind of spacious um connection with our lives on a day-to-day basis where we are not just uh thrown about by our thoughts and by the circumstances uh that come to us so this so here's the uh just a short trailer that gives you a real idea of uh the gist of of the movie and here it is when I was born I dawned a space suit for living on this plane and everybody comes up and says what a nice suit and you're constantly looking into other people's eyes to find out if you're really wearing a nice space suit it's what I call somebody training I have been huffing and puffing and trying to get enlightened as hard as I could I have fasted prayed manred pilgrimages isn't that meditated I mean I've really put my time in so to speak in the 60s Timothy Larry gave me siloc Simon and it changed my life I tried every chemical possibility to try to stabilize that state through hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of exploration I still came down and I kept coming down and coming down and then I went to India and I met maharaji my Guru and I met a being who didn't come down my maharaji in my head is more like a psychiatric [Music] nurse each of us must be true to ourselves to hear what is our unique way through because if you get phony holy it ends up kicking you in the butt you've got to stay true to yourself years back when I started to do this meditation I could go off and I could have a 6-hour fantasy a 6-hour sexual fantasy sitting in Burma all by myself in a cell and I look like I was meditating all the time and then nobody knew you know and I oh God I think that the spiritual trip at this moment is not necessarily a cave in theill is but it's in relation to the technology that's existing it's relation to where we're at I think that's all part of one package now we've got to control the Mind we've got to transcend the Mind we've got to unclutter the mind all kinds of the Mind well maybe I think you'll find my theory a little bit more advanced ramass if you just listen and you walk down the street and you're somebody so you know who you are you dress like somebody your face looks like somebody everything is somebody we we enter in these conspiracies I'll make believe you are who you think you are if you make believe I am who I think I am you can see them and everybody I mean everybody's busy being [Music] somebody so there you go that's the trailer for becoming nobody and uh as I said it really uh opens up uh the door to the essence of what this movie is and what uh how we're portraying ras' life and teachings in a very specific way around the concept of becoming a somebody and then eventually becoming a nobody maybe we should talk about what the becoming nobody uh means because there's a couple of different levels of it there's the level of the nobody that we met ramas and myself krishnas and and others uh other westerners the nobody we met in India which is neim Koli Baba and and what we mean by that is encountering a being that was not in the normal relational uh aspect of of when you meet another person you know there's a give and take uh there you know of course we all have these trepidations especially when we meet somebody we don't know and uh um there's a lack of uh shall we say unconditionality around that relationship because there's something we want or there's something they want or there's some judgment going on back and forth all of the kinds of things that make up a relational space between you and another person that was not happening with Nim coroli Baba with maharaji we instantly knew here was somebody who was not living in any kind of subject object you just knew it in your deepest part of yourself and there was no conditionality and of course you've heard ramas over and over talk about how uh when he met maharaji he knew that it was just uh complete no judgment and uh so it was really um a a beautiful beautiful uh way in which he describes that particular condition of being nobody empty of any kind of self little self not the big self so um that's one level of becoming nobody and very very few beings in in on this planet have achieved that kind of uh of cutting through of subject of object of polarization of in in any sense of the word and it's just here because he is giving to everybody that comes anywhere near him in his in his field there is nothing but that uh U doing what's necessary to help people get free that's about it so that's one level that's the highest level then another level is uh is just someone like romdas who has been working on himself and my best example is when I first met him and he put himself aside to be completely there and present fully fully being here now with me in that moment and he has done that throughout his life with everyone that he meets uh now sometime you know in some cases of course depending on where he was at and and how much of that me me got put aside uh he would be more there than uh than not or less there than not uh and uh of course after his stroke and where he is now he is more uh there what he was talking about and what he was pointing to um he has actualized within himself in a major way as uh any of you who have uh you know heard him recently or seen the live streams from the Retreats or actually gone to to one of the Retreats so um so the um the other thing that I wanted to bring along here is you know some some of the talks that the excerts in the movie come from and in fact we put together uh along with our partners sounds true uh a companion to the movie which has the full talks from which these excerpts were taken and that is going to be available around September 6th when the movie comes out you'll be able to find it through ros.org the shop or or whatever uh or through sounds true it's called essential ramdas it's called becoming nobody the essential ramdas talks um so this one particular one that I wanted to just uh point out is is around form and suffering and uh he starts out with this thing the uh he talks about the picture that the concept and the picture of the Buddha with the smile of unbearable compassion and and uh and around suffering we we react immediately because we've got to change the that's in us it's our human quality changed the circumstances around suffering we've got to immediately change it because it threatens the the stability of our egos it's our defense mechanism mechanisms um so um some of the ways in which those mechan mechanisms work Ram do talks about are the spiritual uplevel right that's a biggie it's also called spiritual bypass the way in which we attempt to push away the pain and cynicism is another and that's something in my own little world I have dealt with and am dealing with uh and have dealt with for a long time uh because uh it seems to be one of my big defense mechanism is is using cynicism in a way that uh allows me to be able to back off from any anything that's untoward back off also of of you know choosing preferences cynicism is really can be really a u um shall we say a dangerous uh attitude uh when it comes to uh dealing with especially in dealing with suffering and uh so what what needs to happen as he talks about is there needs to be a um a break between the perception to the suffering and the reaction to the suffering this is probably one of the most important points he makes in this particular talk and and the way to do that is through mindfulness to be with the suffering not push it away and um and and another thing along with cynicism is righteousness right righteousness uh doesn't allow us to hear the entire um landscape of of what is uh happening through the circumstances and and finally the suffering that comes to us um when we're really righteous meaning we think we absolutely know what the truth is it doesn't allow for much spaciousness and and he talks about how this particularly with social action this is a you know certainly a huge problem so here's the uh I just want to play this um this is from the talk form and suffering there's a a a statue of the Buddha that has a a the mouth has a little turned up smile at the corner of the lips and it's called the Buddha with the smile of unbearable compassion the smile of unbearable compassion sounds like a contradiction in term what does he know that we could reflect about because most of us when we come to suffering when we Face suffering if we can the first thing is we have to react immediately because we have to change it that's the first natural spontaneous reaction and fed by our psychological ego because the recognition of suffering is a threat to the stability of the ego so that when you look at it you want to either push it away which is all of the defense mechanisms all of the denial which you rationalize it like you can push it away by going up in levels of consciousness you can go up to the plane where you're looking out and you see it all as karma and you somebody falls down in front of you and you say karma when you save that child Karma and that's really pushing it away you can feel it you can feel the coldness of it and you can feel how how how cut off a person who would say that must be when they use the spiritual label in order to push away the pain of the situation and another one we all use is pity which is a way of pushing people away too oh isn't that terrible which is a it's a certain distance that you put between you and the suffering and other person pity s of I'm glad it's not me and of course denial and so on and one of the things is since it is the heart that reacts so first initially and the human heart's what's having the commerse with suffering the general thing is the heart just closes you just freeze you just go dead you go cold you go icy you don't know what to do because you feel impotent to do anything in the face of immense suffering and you develop not only spiritual uplevel intellectual defenses but you develop just other intellectual defend like cynicism which is a way of getting into your intellect and pushing and putting distance between you and that which is threatening to you the other strategy for people that experience suffering is move towards it to change it I got to do something about it and a lot of you are feeling I got to do something about things because there's so much pain and suffering but since no matter what you do there's going to be more you can never do enough you will never have the satisfaction of having eliminated suffering which we'll see why in a moment so that as long as you are at all attached to getting rid of the suffering before you can start doing you will just do and do and do and do and if you don't watch out your identification with being the doer will finally burn you out you just get exhausted from trying so hard and you will get frustrated and frustration leads to aggression so you'll end up being angry at yourself and at the whole system and you get depressed and so what are you contributing then now if you can hear the edge of it any reaction you have to the suffering in which you're identified with the reactivity is reinforcing the plane of reality in which suffering is real let me come at that much slower I just wanted to say it out front before I forget it now the uh the Buddha the Tama Buddha was said that at night in the early watches of the night the Buddha would look out over the entire Buddha fields and see all the suffering and then he'd see who was ready whose veil was very thin who was ready to awaken out of the illusion that creates the suffer and anybody that has done sodna of any kind spiritual practice realizes that what ultimately has to be done is that you have got to break in between the perception of the suffering and the reaction to the suffering and bring into into it some mindful so that the first thing you do is start to break in there by just sitting with the suffering not do anything about it just sit with it first until you can be with suffering till you don't have to push it away so hard and I've had many uh LSD trips and other psychedelic chemicals in which I've sat with suffering not just my own which in which my whole all my musculature and all everything is aching and racked with pain my jaws gritted all of that but just looking with like eyes those kind of hollow eyes feeling that you see in people in prison of War camps or things like that that look of just looking at what is and looking at suffering and suffering and just visions of suffering going before your eyes and I think of people that didn't ask for this getting this in an LSD trip and it's what's called a bad trip from my point of view it is opening to what is and it's that's part of what meditation is about is opening to what is not pushing and pulling just being with it and one of the big leaps is when you are ready to stop reacting so fast in order to be with it to hear the whole nature of things to hear how it all is about suffering and what is required is that because your heart is closing down as the reaction as you sit with it for a while and you just start to be able to look at it your heart starts to open in the presence of it and you have your heart open in hell is really what is being required of you I have um with stepen Levine and others have um had dying Retreats and in these Retreats very often for the first few days it's very cathartic it's just bringing out all the kind of emotional the the pain and fear people have about death and then very often we show films or we've been showing film we'll show a film like a red asphalt which is a film put out by the California state highway patrol to show to drunk drivers about what happens on the highway and its heads sticking through windows and decapitated and smashed bodies and it's really it's police photography it's not cleaning up the act and people look at it and they immediately react it's you know turn away steal themselves and we look at it and then we start a meditation bring the awareness to the breath just be with what is here the rain outside see the lights see my body up here just be with what is and then we've got somebody being with what is quietly we run the film again silently with a meditative sound track just be with what is because part of the secret of compassion is being able to embrace Darkness into light it's being able to embrace suffering into yourself it's being able to acknowledge and allow and then the impeccable Warrior hears what to do about it but the first step is slowing down and when you're too righteous you can't even slow down how can I even consider allowing this I've got to do something about it can you hear that little place in there a very interesting one it's really the one that the social action groups are having to deal with right now in terms of their own growth so that was form and suffering and U the next talk I want to uh highlight is from uh just another Cloud I love this and in the movie there is a whole sequence around um the concept of a cloud in a frame just think of a he talks of a PT a painting of a of a gray cloud and within that frame there's nothing else to that you can see except if you extended the frame a little bit if you created a larger frame you would see some blue sky and then suddenly you realize okay wait it's not all gray cloud it's not all grief self-pity it's not all about the models and stories that we tell ourselves the blue sky is the beginning of spaciousness to see all of the negative stuff that we get into on a day-to-day B momentto moment basis with much more clarity and once that blue sky is uh nurtured and cultivated through practice which meditation mindfulness chanting reading spiritual text whatever it is that blue space gets bigger and bigger and and suddenly the the negative stuff stops gluing itself I like that word gluing itself to to us in a way that is overwhelming that overwhelm stops so um yeah he talk I love his little Mantra at the end of this AO he used to do that I remember that and that too you know it's okay to be with it a so that's lovely um okay so here's just another Cloud an excerpt from that talk if you can imagine having a lover who unconditionally loves you just the way you are you got gas fine you got no teeth fine black white yellow brown fine old young battered beautiful fine angry happy depressed fine God's always here well if your lover is always here and always got arms open and always wide open and receiving what's stopping the process why aren't you home free well apparently you're not home free because you're a conditional lover well God's an unconditional lover and you are saying to God look I can really only be with you if you will make it the way I want it got through the one of us it's so horrible it really is yes God if I were only 20 again I'll love you [Music] see once you get into this particular love affair and you see that the only thing that keeps you from beloved is your own Head Trips of who you think you are and who you think you aren't and how you think it is a lot of stuff that meant a lot to you before stops meaning so much I mean I don't really care if I'm bald as a billiard ball because God loves me I used to be so ashamed of all my sexual weirdies boy did I go out of my way to practice duplicity and you know now I couldn't care less it is what it is and when I look at you since I'm just looking for God all I see is God and drag and you look at me and you say you weirdo I say oh no God you won't get me with that I see through that one to me because I'm not buying it because I am what I am and you are what you are what we're talking about here are very subtly veing techniques for working with where you're stuck one of them is taking the stuckness and using it to see the way in which you are clinging you just understand that once you feel any suffering at all it's because you're clinging and you know that in your head suffering ah clinging no clinging no suffering so that you get so the minute you start to suffer you look to see where you're clinging and you understand that you're trying to cling as Stephen pointed out to stuff that is in form and all form changes and passes away and Christ makes it very clear lay not up your Treasures where moth and rust doth corrupt up and Buddha says all clinging is suffering and there we have it everybody [Music] agrees so one of those strategies is where the stuff is so real you work with the reality of it and you say yes I'm suffering and you start to open around the suffering create a little space around the suffering to see it for what it is suffering clinging a if you can imagine a picture frame in which there is a a painting of a gray cloud but the painter made the cloud bigger than the frame that he had she had so what they did was they cut a little off the edge and they just put it in the frame and so all there is is gray cloudiness cuz there's no Edge anymore to the cloud so all you have is gray in a frame and you look at and you say what's that but if you used either a little bigger frame or paint a little smaller Cloud you'd see that there's a little blue sky around the edge of the cloud and you say oh a cloud what do you know all the time I thought the universe was Gray the cloud is the grief the cloud is the self-pity The Cloud of the models and that little blue sky becomes space the meditative techniques are designed to give you that space and the minute there's that spaciousness ah it's just another Cloud you know what clouds do in the sky they come and they go every time I used to get high I'd come down sort of the way of way of life you go up you come down and the first time I'd come down I'd think I've lost it I've fallen out of Grace I've blown it for this lifetime and then the next weekend I get high again and the first hundred times each time you come down you think you've blown it again you've lost it you're never going to have it ever again then you arrive at a place when you stop clinging to your highs you stop clinging to you loud ah wow what ecstasy I can look into the face of god wow dig this depression oo I have never seen a depression as bad as this I don't think anybody could ever get out of this depression there is a brand of cigarettes put out in India that many of us carried with us just the box of brand is called passing show it's all just passing show highs lows depressions how real do you want it to be one strategy is you work with it working with it is investing it with reality the other strategy is you put your reality somewhere else and the whole business starts to turn into nothingness you start to put your reality on your breath you put your reality in your Devotion to God you put your reality in any of your yoga techniques and all this other stuff starts to fall into perspective see the working with the grief has the pitfall that is which is a tantric technique working with the grief to get beyond the grief we're going into it has the pitfall that it's like a bottomless well and you may never get out of it because you keep feeding on it and feeding on it and feeding on it I mean if you thought you cried yesterday nothing like if we go deeper how you could cry tomorrow that's the pitfall of that strategy the pitfall of the other strateg stry of course I got grief oh god of course I've got grief breathing in breathing out is that you will push the stuff under prematurely and it will sit inside you like a festering soore oozing horrible gases that will color everything in your life always want a more ugly description of it or do that one got you two exciting strategies so what we are doing here in our little mini sampling of life is we climb into the stuff until it's real for us so we start to air it a little bit open up the vents and the safety valves and get some of the gas out and get the whole thing flowing again and then we start to change our Consciousness Direction and we're starting in the other techniques too because if you're really good at the game you can keep both techniques going all at once you get closer to God so baldness is less relevant but you also don't make believe you're you got hair when you don't you don't make believe it's beautiful if you still think it's not beautiful and in in response to many of you and many of me who feel that our hearts aren't open enough and that we can't afford to open our hearts because everything is going to die that we t touch because anything we open our hearts to is going die going to end up in a corruption the most profound answer to that is you can't afford not to just as simple as that and the minute you appreciate the way in which suffering awakens I guarded myself for long time and I could guard Myself by being in this role and then I couldn't afford it any longer and I opened up and I fell in love most romantic sense me romantic wow and I couldn't have it the way I wanted it and I suffered and I cried and I raged and I so miserable and at the same moment something in me was saying you're alive it's happening good sit with it I tried to manipulate the universe to get it just the way I wanted and I couldn't do it and I don't understate how it hurt and when you don't get what you want which is what happens when someone dies you love when a lover leaves you when something when some model you've had doesn't isn't functional I don't say there will not be grief and there will not be Mourning for your loss and I warn you against prematurely pushing that underground allow plenty of time for grief I tried very quickly to smile and say oh it's perfectly okay it didn't hurt me oh I'm fine because that's who I thought I was supposed to be but it did hurt and it kept hurting for a long time and I had to give it plenty of space and there not too small a lot of people come to me after 6 or eight months when they've lost a love one and they say I don't understand I can't get my life going again I said you haven't even begun yet allow yourself at least two years to grieve go grieve some more and then there comes a period where you've just gone through enough and the space starts to that little blue sky starts to develop and if you have a meditative awareness with just that appreciation you start to identify with the blue sky instead of the cloud you flicker it first and then you start to release and often in the release there is a closing of the heart because you don't want to get hurt again and you got to allow that that's still part of the grief reaction and a lot of you are still holding on to grief from previous hurts and then comes the time when you start to realize you'd rather be vulnerable and be hurt than be living dead in the Dead dead sense not in the living sense and you can't afford it and you start to open again and the whole cycle starts again until finally you start to fall in love with love you start to fall in love with truth you start to fall in love with that of which form is but a reflection you start to fall in love with God you start to fall into love into yourself out and then there is no coming and there is no going and then you are on the way to merging with your beloved and that's to me what the game is about and then dying and living are just dying and living now it says before Satori there are rivers and mountains in the sator there are no rivers and there no mountains and then after the SAT there rivers in Mountain something like that well before sator there's dying there's being born in the sator you're in the formless there nothing and then you finish the cycle and there is dying and there's being born but it's all so different it's just AO and there's finally a place where you can say AO with the Simplicity of AO without the psychological overlay of when I say I so does it mean I'm too cold does it mean I don't have enough compassion you can just say a so just another Cloud right it's um it's a beautiful metaphor I really love it uh the last uh small excerpt that I want to present is a talk from choosing love over fear and um and you know fear represents separateness love even romantic love is the doorway into a deeper level uh it may not be the unconditional love that romdas that we talk about all the time which is more of the liquid merging but it's certainly love on its own in its own sense even that which is give and take uh is a doorway to uh to that deeper love uh and and the idea is when uh you know the idea is first is be here now being versus fear Unity versus separateness when fear dissipates you are at home with the universe so you know the really um creating spaciousness around our identity with separateness uh it's it's not overriding your connection with everything so the identity is Is You sered by virtue of the of of the spaciousness now how do we get to that spaciousness uh it's difficult because when you're a baby you have a you know welldeveloped sense of separateness and um and Ram's uh antidote to this is Awakening from the from the illusion the doorway is through the heart because through the heart love flows through the Mind mind creates boundaries the heart is embracing and allows for the experience of Grace and true being when you're in the in the presence of unconditional love that's the optimum environment for your heart to open because within that environment you feel safe and uh and and that's boy that's the essence of of of what's in this in this film especially you see the part around and how ramdas talks about his meeting with maharaji nimoli Baba and just how um God how at home we all felt how safe we felt and we could open up in a way that we had never opened up before and now now uh you can um you can absolutely engage with that without going to India to meet such a being it's not necessary I mean those of us that did go there needed to be hammered over the head obviously but we have seen hundreds thousands of people over these decades that have had this experience of Home safety and within that then a creation of spa spaciousness can happen in our lives and it has happened to so many people and uh so the definitive thread through this movie is the opening of that heart space and the Turning from the continuation of some buiness into nobodiness and nobodiness in our case is not perhap perhaps the uh the enlightenment state of nimoli baba but is the um the cultivation state that we are in each of us and cultivating that heart space allows us to start thinking about others rather than ourselves number one all the time and uh there's one part in the movie where ramdas talks about when is what you what I want enough when is what I need enough and you start to think about what can you do for anyone from people close to you to people that you just happen to see just walking on the street you naturally react we have in US deep compassion and we naturally react through that compassion to help somebody and and in that act we stop thinking about ourselves at least in those moments and those are powerful moments and they really teach us that that is possible to uh to certainly to cultivate and possible to live in that being rather so to live in connectiveness rather than separateness and the other thing I'll say about the movie that I haven't mentioned and I didn't pull any um any of the talks that had to do with it it's a I'm going to leave it it's the crescendo of the movie where ramdas really addresses all of our fear fears about death and uh and he quotes I'll just leave you with this quote from his teacher Emanuel he does a funny bit about because Emanuel was uh did not have a body and ramdas got these teachings from him and Emmanuel said ramdas dying is is absolutely safe I love that it's so great don't forget just go to becoming no.com and uh and you can find the theaters that this is going to play in starting on September 6 [Music] 2019 all right so this is a just um choosing love over fear and I'm going to end with this I think that the um term love uh which has in it um two uses of the term one is as the polarity Between Love and Hate and that has in it being loving as opposed to hating it's a and the other is the equality or state of being which in which the term love is used in the same way as presence or awareness is that we enter into love into the space of love and I think that love lies behind fear I think that when you are experiencing fear you are caught in your separateness when you experiencing love you are caught in your Unity with all things that love is the verb love is a vehicle of permeating the boundaries and when you experience that opening of the boundaries you feel the quality of love which means a a flow or energy or merging with the universe around you and that one is obviously the antidote for fear it's going to the place behind your own separateness and the the romantic quality of love which is between separate entities is um is a doorway into the deeper love it itself is is a lot of people experience a quality they call love but they're doing it with their mind they're not really opening their hearts fully they are loving meaning I am attracted to or I am attached to but it isn't the quality of this kind of liquid merging and I think the quality of love you are talking about when Emanuel talks about love versus fear for example we are talking about being versus fear or Unity versus separateness would be the other way of saying it so I would say that when the fear dissipates you are feeling at home in the universe meaning your identity with your separateness isn't so overriding your feeling of connection with everything that you're feeling cut off and vulnerable which is where the root of the fear is so as you cultivate that unitive quality then the fear dissipates so the relation is one between love and fear but it's not the love in the sense of I love you it's the sense of we are together in the space of love if you um keep seeing I'm just giving you this now a um a way of seeing the sequence if you see the the new baby open permeable boundaries all completely wide open and then you see the cultivation of its mind and models of itself and other and development of a sense of separateness and then you see the way in which we get trapped in that ego or sense of separateness and get trapped with identification with body and with personality are phenomenal self and then the interest the question is how do you awaken out of the illusion that you are only separate and the doorway out of that is through the heart because the heart is my heart goes out to you the heart is keeps the heart is the doorway into the unitive nature of the universe and it's the the love love flows love doesn't No Boundaries the mind creates boundaries the mind creates the boundary of separate me and you the heart just keeps embracing and opening out so that things that open your heart open you out into the universe and allow you to experience the the the preciousness the grace the the the sweetness the the the thick isness of it all the the interconnectedness of it all it's even more than interconnected it's all one thing and just keeps changing its flow and patterns and you're just part of it and the opening of the heart is the doorway into that so that when you love your pussycat or you love your child or you love your beloved or you love nature or you love something that is a doorway you start with that kind of love love which is relational romantic love and then that's a doorway that moves you into the kind of merging quality where we are together in love which is in the pre in the Oneness of it all in the existence of it all which is God that's the way in which you experience God you experience you are part of the the Divine manifestation into form and you're one with it so you start with this very relational love that is between you and something else and it opens the heart and then you in a way go out through the heart and keep feeling a connection as you know when you're in love how suddenly other things look beautiful other than the Beloved it keeps going out and out and out and out and that's a quality that um so I would say that um most of us stay locked in our separateness and we are very frightened of coming out of it we feel very vulnerable in truth you are not vulnerable at all you just think you're vulnerable who you think you are is vulnerable who you are is not vulnerable it's true this is the truth of it that's what Christ was saying over and over again but nobody seemed to want to hear him but you are not vulnerable but you experience you are and so it's very hard for you to open your heart to another being whose love is conditional because they're saying I will love you as long as you're a certain way and that you keep protecting yourself so you find yourself very easy to open yourself sometimes to an to um inanimate objects or to an animal or to a memory or to a very young child that's very innocent before it develops any kind of definition of itself that starts to manipulate the universe to get get what it needs well when you're with a guru the guru is realizes they're not vulnerable they don't need you to do anything they don't even need you to not shoot them in the shooting example before they just need you to be what you are so their love is unconditional and when you're in the presence of unconditional love that's the optimum environment for your heart to open because you feel safe because you realize nobody wants anything from you and the minute that heart opens you once again letting in the flow and that flow is where you experience God so that's it that gives you an idea of what becoming nobody the new ramdas movie is about and um of course it's the Arc of as I said before the Arc of his life and teachings but it's also really how do we how do we do the conversion from a somebody to a nobody and that nobody is about not being caught in our story so much that we can't even lift a finger to help another person so that that's what becoming nobody is go to becoming no.com and you can watch the trailer you can see oh there's all kinds of goodies there but basically just looking up where this theater might uh where this movie might play in a theater near you there you go this is ramdas Here and Now on the be here now Network go to be here now network.com and find the plethora of amazing podcasts this podcast is brought to you by the L serve remember foundation and ros.org we appreciate you listening and we appreciate all the support that you've given us please continue that support and donate at ros.org we can then continue to share what romdas has been sharing for all of these years thank you