[Music] again um we would like to discuss about uh M's teic system and now uh I would like to show you that our uh area is already Indonesian area like he is us we are here and we have uh first we would like to have a connection with all of uh people around Indonesia first a basic Network so like we have lot of alumni from a from M from Padang from also from palang yeah Jambi lampong jaat and so lot of easta even also Kang we have we have also in all of Sal area we have already Alo Manu we have also people froma we have people from here and we have also people from Malu Tang here we have also some people from tatti and also from AA so this is also systemic thinking so we do not only think to develop us here but we think to De to develop student from several area and then it's not only to develop but to make a net for what what implementation the knowledge that we have here you have to bring back to your area and to implement there and you have to inform us what kind of problem you have or what kind of f from application you have you have to inform us so the information system is man yeah so for you The fres Graduate you are here but you are all this related to our Network wherever you are if you want to work here for example please contact us we will send you information every every month if we have thesis a good thesis result we can send you per meil free yeah so your knowledge will always update and update and this is the system it's very easy but you get information from us if you want to work to make a project in your area if you cannot do your project you can call us not that we have to go there we we can just say to you please reform or please open this fight and you can learn and you can do that so you do not want to do in your area you have to do your uh activity in your area not always invite me to go there to solve your problem you have to solve your problem this is a kind of system to solve the problem yeah good yeah we have a master program one M techic system empty the degree is empty in the first time but now we have M engine ring system engine ring so our in system engineering is thinking doing implementing system so thinking and doing to win mean you have to do you have to implement it and system it always in low thinking thinking always so you will get a lot of task from here after lecture you get task going out to see the reality to work on reality like this morning I have also class about my after class I give t to the student to go to to a small we have a small project in M yeah to go there to learn in the reality so this is our concept in systemic thinking the philosophy of knowledge developed by MSA is knowledge is um information time experience time at informations mean you get information from us due to lecture yeah but how what experience you have also practicum in the laboratory you have to go to the field you have to do something to the field you have to try in the end of your work you have to make equipment or product this is experience yeah to make you really you have knowledge without experience you have no knowledge you have only information the information you can take from internet actually information is show if you want to learn something from the University if you want only to have information you should not go to hear you can look for information from home you just open the internet whatever you want for example system engineering system engineering you have lot of now okay Finish but not only that yeah we want to motivate you to understand about that to understand about the concept of system but again to motivate you to go to the field to look for the problem to bring it here and to discuss and to solve the problem in this 2 years time for example uh in the semester two you has already uh know CA a lot of problem in your area and then you have to go to the field and take the problem and you have to go to the district government to explain the problem and to propose the solution yeah after that you get feedback from the government District government maybe the feedback is please take this problem as your thesis and you take this problem as your thesis and you handle the problem and try to have a contact with people people there maybe your Tes will be fund by the district government but the results should be given to the district government to be implemented and you are also there so after finish your your study you has already activated for you which already has uh work in the institution government is good yeah you can also say to the to the government please next year try to have project for development of for example micro or V management or V treatment and so on so in that time you come home you can you can run the pro program so this this is also system yeah connecting between then activity to the other activity it's not only within the pro the study time but also after the study time the thinking is not only in one box but the thinking is no in the future yeah system is not only they is one they can be know in the future and also last time we have to learn for the history and toing now and have an experience for the future yeah okay and experience is very important uh if you learn experience just do it just going down just trade for example you want to you said that you want to have uh uh much more knowledge about NLT and sustainable enery for example and you want to see about irrigation Channel you can learn irrigation channel from the literat ah this isation channel yeah the dischar is one Kil one cubic m per second for example but it's good it's it's not but it's not enough you have to go to the reation channel and go down to the medication channel on and to feel what is actually the flow from the literature the flow from the literature maybe the flow is 1 m/ second but it is really one at of second you have to go down to the reer or to the channel and to feel how is how uh how the water flows to you yeah of course you should not here maybe here yeah I see that uh the blow is it's about one Cub 1 m/ second but you bring also something to measure yeah this is experience then then you know well about that if you learn about the V for example you go to the field to the V jaon yeah try the there and try to take piece per piece to smell what look like about the smell of the V to try to handle the wi and so on then you know well what is actually wi it's not enough that you have information from the Internet or from lecture but you have to go down there to see the reality as also if you want to develop uh in one vage you s that there are a lot of Village which has no have no electricity yeah maybe you can learn uhuh yeah okay but please go to the Village what people what people think what the people want to do is important what is the potential of the micro enery go down there leave there for one one one meek for example then you can re it information it is better than you learn from the internet of course learn from the internet lecturing is important but going down to the reality is more important okay and then what is attitude attitude is your motivation to develop your knowledge like you're from K after you finish your study and you work there and you you still want to develop yourself this is addit of course it's not yourself you have to addit tr for me and for Society for people then you have more motivation not just for you but for the whole creature yeah human being or creat not only for people but also for environment for animal for Flor and F and so on yeah so this is at if you are you want to study here you have to have a very motivated attitude to develop something to know something yeah for for example you from geology yeah you will learn also about electrical engine you learn about C engine you learn maybe you learn little bit about ecology and so on or chemical engine so and the first time maybe it's difficult for you why I should learn something like that yeah this is another element this is element of chemical engine electrical engine you are geology as a system thinker you have to have uh you have to have a kind of understanding to about another uh field study you have to learn this chemical engineering also electrical Eng also C because of what because you want to know yeah you want to know to work to handle to organize all of them if your are economic you should not uh from economic for example F study we should not only uh know about our accounting but you have to learn a little bit about marketing you learn about a little bit about production maybe better if you learn also about engineering so you can understand how is engineering side production side accounting side and marketing side to be one system yeah uh according to our experience in the beginning for you is very difficult because uh you have to learn something new you have to learn that one and that one and that one and that one and that one and that one it is easier if you are from electrical engineering S1 and you take S2 my also electrical enging you just learn a little bit more yeah but if you go to the master of system engineering you learn a lot of thing here in the first semester you will be cacing and but but you come from several background mechanical engineering electrical engineering environmental engineering finan engineering electrical engineering electrical mechanical engineering you have from mechanical you from chemical you see if you cannot understand about chemical engineering ask it ask her yeah if you do not know about mechanical engineering ask you if you don't know about ecology ask them so this is also system you can help each other helping each other is a system the motivation to help all the people this attitude so nobody uh so you you cannot say ahuh ecology is nothing engineering is wrong no no no here every element is important yeah this is attitude so the attitude uh our lecture is not only how to develop you to understand but in the reality you are a system in the reality you are a system to bring you into the reality that you are a system you are element element element and every element should have a kind of Shing collaboration and so on so not only systemic thinking but also how to do that how to implement it the system concept to you how to internalization or to internalize the system thinking in your life and begin in this lecture in this campus yeah good so knowledge is information experience and attitude together so then you need knowledge princi to manage the knowledge internally externally internally yeah you develop your knowledge among you internally every people can say something according to this experience internally and externally you can then uh um you can then uh yeah share your knowledge to all the people outside and to shs to sh to pump the knowledge from said to you so due to this kind of understanding this is a Knowledge Management how to manage the knowledge know you have knowledge isn't it you have learned four years four 5 years you have a lot of knowledge but if I ask you have you made your knowledge not yet not yet you keep your knowledge by yourself you keep your knowledge by yourself here you have to Shell your knowledge because maybe your friend from there would like to ask you abouty maybe mechanical engineer would like to ask you about ecosystem yeah and you will ask him about that so this is one part of management knowledge man if then you trying to to collaborate your understand into the book you write a book you have one book this is Knowledge Management you sell the book or you give to the people or you print the book this is a Knowledge Management your knowledge is also used is used by all the people if you write in the newspaper your knowledge you write the newspaper and give it to the newspaper and everybody read your your your writing this is Knowledge Management this lecture is streaming yeah is streamed by master and you will find in the internet this is knowledge Ministry I just give lecture one but unlimited people can click in the MTS streaming and they can also learn from what I explain you so you are going in the new era Knowledge Management the knowledge is not only keep but try to share the knowledge as soon as possible don't think that you have only limit limited knowledge but you have knowledge because you have already 24 25 yeah from the beginning your life you collect a lot of knowledge and every knowledge is unique every people receive the knowledge is unique unique and unique and un even you in the same from the same institution from uh uh uh environmental faculty but if I ask you both of you the answer is different is dep depend on the experiment experience from yourself yeah okay good uh the power of MST or MTS student here Le and start is strong and sustained motivation if you don't have motivation here please resign soon yeah resign as soon as possible you have to have motivation because you will have lot of work here maybe no is uh the four uh four sem or 2 years the former time we have only 18 month yeah 18 month 12 month for leure and 6 month for thesis is very TI program no a little bit longer but I hope that you get much more information much more knowledge there the the uh uh form regeration you are know is a 2 years yeah 24 month this is same in inm is 24 months some program is 18 but we have formally 24 months but you can uh finish Z yeah you can finish any mon you want lecture finish thes finish can be why not everyone strong and sustain motivation only motivation can bring you finish from that uh kind of program yeah because a lot of task lot of work you have to go because you have to combine between understand between information and experience if only information it is easier but you have to go down to the field to look for something the field need also time need a for yeah so this is um very important strong and sustained motivation yeah 2 years full motivation you have to speak English too because our thesis presentation should be in English yeah but the manuscript you can write in Indonesia but speaking should be English yeah so use English as a SE language or even first language speaking with you because English is also system language you know Indonesia here yeah and here is Malaysia people in Malaysia speak very good English yeah second language in Malaysia is English uh formal langu with IND University is is English and Singapore every people speak very good English you could in Philippine Philippine speak very good English because Philippine was by USA USA speak English Philippine people speak English if you go there in Pap they speak better English because they speak Spain I so they speak good English Tim speak Portugal that mean they can also change from puges to English is easier Australia all of people speak English New Zealand too and if you go here Indian India I know Sri Lanka they speak English so around us speak English every um uh agreement mou is an English every discussion in asan even only in asan is in English why you wait for you have to speak English for the near future people should able to speak English and to understand English and here as a language system is English this is language system without English your system is filled it's not Lo again because you cannot improve yeah if there is a guest from outside for you for example a lot of people from outside coming to you and discuss about project if you cannot speak English that mean you lost them you lose and lost yeah okay so hold your motivation strong and sustained okay and now I want to talk you about 10 principles basic principle development for Ms or msct student St what is SE Bic PR basic PRS here freedom in thinking res and development systemic thinking and implementing and creative approach we have belong to the solution group and a chain of change academic skill and professional Improvement not only academic but skill and professional should be also Valu yeah Network networking and ICD peace development English speaking master program yeah local National and Global based development community base thinking and development Grace Road approach and helping people especially poor people and then environment friendly development every development should environment friendly Indonesian Unity because we want the Indonesian unity and international collaboration and partnership this is 10 principle that I always F the student let's talk one by one yeah freedom in thinking resar and development no you are here and one thing that you have to understand is you have is freedom and thinking don't worry to say something we are in academic era in academic room that you can speak whatever you want don't worry about everything yeah uh our habits are waiting for order and unconfident to do works so please change what I mean is so you prefer get order than self thinking if you get order you can do because you get order from your uh s for examp but if if your uh leader say to you please think and it's difficult for you because you have to think yeah so please do innovation even crazy thing here you can uh do Innovation whatever you want Yeah the more you spend your energy for Innovation the better you are and this is you have to free and you have to uh uh uh think maybe a little bit different with other people it's St up yeah don't always follow to your counselor or your your supervisor you have to propose this is my proposal I would like to do that if the supervisor say no no I don't like you can look for another supervisor who Li your idea then you put your idea idea under the chair and then you say Please Mr give me idea no no NOA you have to propose your idea if the supervisor say I don't like your idea you can cancel you can say to the administration and say uh my supervisor turn like my here so I would like to change the supervisor rather then you follow what you don't want to do yeah Freedom please move off out your expression yeah you have everybody has expressed you have to move out not so something like that yes yes no this is what I want for the young congression you to express I want to do something I want that I want that of course you have to handle also with on other the people you have to S it yeah please stay uncommon things yeah you have to try uncommon thing the common thing if somebody has already made turbine with with three four prop propeller and so on here you think another thing but not just dream you have to realize what you not only dream But realize that mean from realistic yeah okay please free yourself from unconfident to try and to do something please change your idea and Imagination into reality here master of systemic things system engineering is bring you from idea to reality like what you have seen outside this is reality this equipment that you s outside this equipment is come from idea but it's not enough not enough planning only planning planning and planning no you have to realize your plan into reality after you finish with your equipment you have to do you have to work with on whether your equipment work or not work or it's working okay working oh but the efficiency is efficient or not not efficient the efficiency is only 1.7 uh 0.4 for example it's too low you have to work on again to improve the efficiency until 0.6 0.7 so this is kind kind of uh combination between thinking and doing thinking yeah but don't worry about it people has already done and and and and have good result you can also do that um yeah always but always with pleasure and high motivation make sure that you can do even better yeah so good systemic thinking implementation with integrated approach there are no Standalone problem it is always connected with Thea the program so you should start to think some things not only stand alone pram a a Lo pram you have to try to combine to uh enlarge your spectum this problem should be connected with this problem and this problem and this problem it's not only this problem yeah so if you stop to do that that mean you are going to the system in thinking people yeah but if you try to cut all of relation then you take this problem on a small problem and you do that for the whole time this is not system thinking you have to do that but you have to know that this is also Rel with another element from another side yeah this is comprehensiveness and the system we know system should be organism every element is every element is as organ from one big element one one big system synthesis the product of sunin should be the production of two or three four elements not only one element yeah and then uh sharing that mean the production of something should be also s from sep synthetic Oris and no yeah good there are no stand Lo problem it is always connected with the other problem so we have to think and devel everything integrally and systematically we leave the sector temporal and local thinking sector thinking we have to leave temporal thinking leave and local thinking Regional the worldtime sustainability worldtime and also not only sector on not only from GE geology only or from mechanical but mechanical electrical and simp work together for example if you plan Power Station uh Powerhouse or power station you have to think about water yeah and then there a c you have to think the water come to the turbine there is mechanical world you have to think from turbine you have a control unit this is electrical world and then coming again out again this is not enough you have to think about catchman area outside if you have Forest there you have to keep the forest in order to keep the your water flows down always flows down so you have to enough Forest there you have to think also there so Forest element C work element mechanical work element electrical work element environment work element and people leaving around there yeah is also another element so this is a systemic thinking you have to think everything but you can also you have also to make make a priority which is dominant which is not dominant you have to know not just everything holistic but you don't know about which element is dominant you have to distinguish this is element is dominant this is not so dominant so you can put it here but they still have connection but not to yeah this is what want want to discuss with you good number three we belong to solution group yeah we belong not to the group which is only satisfied with problem analyis this one problem analy is only a part of systemic thinking if there is a problem and you say something to solve the problem and let the other people to Sol this is not systemic thing if you go home and you see there is a problem of V For example you have a wi problem there a lot of V there and you just explain to the people there people you have to solve the problem you have to bring the V uh as soon as possible to the Bony and you have to pay to the people and you have to and finish no this is not systemic thing you can't say something like that and you have to go down to organize people to handle that everybody should pay and pay yeah and look for the people who bring that there yeah regularly until uh the V coming to the V Depon and you know that the Depon also manage there if not minut you have to go down to see why it's not minut because nobody you have to uh take person who handle that until the whole system is running this is system and it's not only temporal but continues to stay yeah uh belong to the group which always find out the problem find out the problem is important because somebody do not understand about the problem a lot of people do not understand that there is a problem but you have to see the problem that way here you you will learn the problem what is actually the problem you have no problem that you have problem sometime people not understand that they have problem so here you always see uhhuh this is a problem this is [Music] problem if you see the rainfall for example yesterday we have a very heavy rainfall it's problem no it's not problem maybe people say the problem is flat because of very heavy but not our problem the problem from the ding people yeah this is a problem but yeah think this is the problem because we have very clean water if drinking water from the roof but not use this is problem we can catch we can harvest the rainfall and using for drinking water why not where we let the rainfall close down so somebody do not understand the problem somebody know about it and you are invited here to see the problem what you face you are sensitive to the problem to bring people from yeah normative to sensitive is really difficult but you are ready to do that everything is problem can be you know just depend on you if you do think that this problem is not problem but if you think this is problem we have to solve and you can Sol yeah good four it this important thing academic skill and professional Improvement uh the way it's not only about the here but still your ability to solve the problem with your hand is important not always direct with your hand but your hand is important not that uh you just say and nothing but you you say the solving the solution is something like that and you go down to the people you organize people and you try to start to show the people who do that it's nice Indonesia nowadays is a skilless nation the nation with skilless only a few people have skill maybe you have no skill you learn from the environment but without skill understanding yeah understanding and you too maybe you also even you are from mechanical engineering but you have no skill isn't it if you have a problem with your with the motorcycle for example you cannot solve the problem even you're mechanical Eng from electrical engineering you learn a lot but if you have a problem with your radio or handphone you cannot solve the problem yeah almost 75% of our Young Generation skilless especially from University skilless compared to the people from Europe for example even they work in University every people have has skill to do something yeah for example my professor from they make uh he make he make his house by himself you can doing everything that hand is very very easy to do that this is like this even not always for and related to business to work but everybody should do something yeah so is that so we have to develop a generation with apple in academic and skill as well as in working professionally yeah so we would like to bring you not only right listening you have to go down to and then you can this is improve your your uh motivation if you can do that yeah and also your what is not only motivation what is believe yeah you believe that you can solve the problem because you have done this important thing you um yeah you always um want to go directly to the problem this is the problem let me solve the problem not going around the problem and say something related to the problem but not solve the problem this is a problem normally you go around the problem say something related to the problem but but not the solution but no you are here this is the problem go the problem solve the problem fin this is what we want from you but before we say those we have to internalize to ask first to you first you cannot say to the other people that you are not yeah so in the thesis we have a regulation the MSD student will never pass the final examination without now the right hand is holding the thesis manuscript and the right hand manuscript of thesis some for example that the left hand holding the real equipment or product derivated from the thesis this is the product equipment something else yeah and you can explain both this one you can explain and this equipment you can explain you can run it you can understand every element this is in this uh equipment or product you can also understand the explain you can explain also the purpose of the product and so yeah both but here the brain heart and spirit are motivated to do the best one for all creation you would like to bring your product here to solve several problem all over the world Indonesia and also yeah you have only one product but the pro the problem related to the product is enormous in several places so you can use this product as elevated factor and you can Sol already lot of problem even only one proin for example yeah and then you can develop n so right hand in manuscript left hand is the equipment or product or something else that you produce and your heart your brain and your spirit is motivated to develop this is information this is experience this is a teacher yeah you get it and you are really the systemic thinker or uh Sy alumni from MTS or I miss good networking and I ICT based development but individual groups and institution can only develop if they are connected and included in the Dynamic Global regional and local network Dynamic Global local Regional Network so you are now starting to think that you have to look for Network yeah you are here you have a network with your friend this is your n first Network maybe you have network with her there because she work in kiman you have knowledge you have Network that mean you can work with her so first network is local network like that so don't deigned to ask to your friend don't think that your friend is f your friend is your friend you're real close friend your first Network yeah you have to maintain your network because the network will have uh uh purpose know in in the future maybe you have a network with with me if you have a problem you can ask me this is network if I have a problem in Kimo I can ask you this is very easy and and you too so network is no is very important that way to handle or to maintain the network if you are finish with your study here you will get a member c network member C that mean forever you are our Network whever you are you want to know and wherever you are we want to deliver information to you sometime we would like to invite me here forever so this is a network easy and there you will have another Network you have done Network there so then our network is very big yeah this is what we want to here this is also system network is system yeah networking is system system information and system for work network is actually likei in ReliOn if you have lot of network that mean you will safe and develop without network you will not a that way if you are here in kajam University try to have network with lecture Yeah the more you have network with lecture the better you are and then network with study center you can go there to have a network huh if you have a problem you can then discuss to the people you can also invite the people there all the people can invited you to solve the problem this is network and our development is how to develop network not me but you as a element to develop your network and your network will also match to our Network so if your network is bigger our Network Bigg here so uh IC is really without the I you will be totally late so we have to create and develop Network we have to overcome I in software hardware and and also in management of I that's why our leel using streaming yeah and you can see in the internet that mean I try to open network to all of people all over the world because the internet can be uh uh uh can be open by people all over the world so if the people want uh to discuss with me about the 10 principle can call me and finish this is kind of network develop or to develop Network you can do also you have a studio there if you have a knowledge you can ask to M PR Mr PR Mr pre I want to make a streaming can you help me yes please then you go to the studio and then M will stream you and put it your production from streaming in the Internet it's nice isn't it yeah so again number six English speaking program yeah master program we leave in the globalization era and English is the global language will be Lo loser in every negotiation and discussion in Regional and international level without understanding speaking English so we have to use engl this in the lectures and all the academic and practical activities related to program so now is the time for you in 2 years to improve your English in writing and in speaking also in understanding I think it's difficult to find out the other time to improve your no is your time 2 years improving yeah okay local and National Bas development I'm sorry this not translated in B English so no problem in global era uh more and more people outside would like to go to you to the local dist and so on and the other hand the human resources which is already understandable technology and also uh local uh wisdom is immedate so that mean we need to develop people around Indonesia it's not only every point there people which has a very high motivation human resources that can develop their radium and also based on the real problem outside not based on another problem outside another countries for example that mean if you want to make a thesis you have to go home you for example go home to P or something else to and so to see what is kind of problem we have oh this problem here there is locost there is a problem there is Locus there is people okay I would like to solve the problem bringing here solve the problem make equipment or product coming down again here try there finish you solve the problem of course we would like not waiting until 2 years until every problem solved yeah the beginning you can Sol the global Ma and you bring back here and presentation of your thesis that you have already implemented your world fenace yeah you you will be proud that you can solve even even in the first time of the solving problem then you comeing back again to the region and to handle again until the problem is really Sol yeah okay good I think so I will open for discussion if you have a question before I continue maybe um next week I will continue here for uh the last three uh point and then I would like to give you a kind of film about system thinking and you can learn from the from U cons confer uh between me and and in the division for 5 years ago oh yes do you have a question yeah no question that no problem no problem that you are uh yeah everything is problem you can ask something no yeah uh do you have a question you you sir I want to ask about how find Ro of problem you tell us about the all of problem that uh all of that is important but uh we need know the RO of problem how to find out from all of yeah um if you B a problem there is uh called symton symton and Ru a a a baby cry the crying baby or the cry is not a the problem is actually not the cry but this is the root of the problem BP is sometimes not a problem maybe they have be uh problem in the in the uh inside here so you have to dis Lang between simp and the real root of the problem what is the symptom actually for example you coming down to the village and you see um the street is not it's bad yeah lot of place it's not a and to try to make the stat good the training system is mov but after 10 years of coming back again the situation is not changed even the street is f that mean the problem is not the state the problem may be to people the education so you are right every problem you have to go down to the root of the problem not the symt how to find it you go and analyzes the problem there's a problem analy yeah first this c b is Sy what is the problem that you have to change the PO and finish for example something like like if you go in the CH area the river area there is a a river bank very high river bank and the river bank is uh regularly every 5 years value your slide land Slim and then the government say uhuh the problem is the L line so the government spending money for making uh uh reap yeah reap and then after making reap the people know this is save the people coming near to the river and then again sliding and then the government spend money again this is not problem the problem is the D system I'm stream the ding system if the ding system not direct to the end to the bank bank it's no problem but the TR system is direct to the bank so the bank fail this is also yeah the problem yeah sometime uh problem of beist you always see a lot of is in one street ah this is the be the problem is the be we have to bring the be out but tomorrow there is a again garbage again and you think again garbage the problem is not that garbage but the problem is the people people like the problem in River lot of be in river in the river or something else the government spent money for for uh for for buying B and take it the B out but in one month lot of is coming down again this is not actually the problem this is only the symtom don't sve the s that you go to the root what is actually the root the root is we have to uh educate the people to manage the beast in order to minimize s it's very difficult for people ex our thinking that and when when we go to for example a village and there are a problem and uh we want to S about the their problem but the the very difficult thing from the first time is pro human problem human human human human and how to make them to except our our thinking how assist you yeah so I think you have to you have to leave leave on or leave in first to understand the agenda of the people in the system thinking you will learn about Arena and agenda arena is you know this place the Village People people house resources this is Arena yeah and agenda is what the people think and what the People Want it is agenda of course if you come to the T and propose a new idea that the people do not understand do not want that you need more time to convince the people that what the your idea is it's really F it's needed to Sol for something like that so there need time but if you come to the people with the same idea with you I think okay it's very easy normally normally you want to force your idea to the people in the side the people do not understand your idea so they want on bit and see like for example you want to type of project mic project that place you explain to the people but you understand that yeah you angry for that you're wrong because the people do not understand what so you have to be patient to go to the people explain first until the people understand really understand not yes yes but not yes yeah so then you can confidence that your so you have to understand about the agenda agenda is the living thinking living willingness and uh and also the regulation in formal and formal that working the planning of the Village People this is our agenda as long us your idea not in the mainstream of the agenda of the people have to say uh we have to have enough time to show the or to to propose the because the people do not understand not difficult but you need find until people understand okay another question please yeah we on 7 77 uh in my city the people is very difficult to T the the their mindset about uh uh W management so Management in 2008 I was presentation about the wor management so the government uh do not understand about the technology and another uh method about the management until now in my city is the uh the Manet is arise from the house and the yeah so how to how the we try to explain to the government to change the mindset oh yeah okay according to our experience um you will get if you CH if you choose V management you will get a task first to go to the field that the V there and making analyis what kind of v and what the volume of v and so on and you try to uh have to propose solution and then with our letter you go to the cover explain I will explain that so my government in my city is maybe in the beginning no but if you uh formally from us from us from gajam University for example you bring letter from here and you get opportunity to explain you explain the problem and the solution and also the future uh realization of the solution normally 90% of the government say yes okay please finish your work in gaj University and come back to here and please solve the problem you have you will find normally something like that that is I think uh if you go there alone without any uh background I think it's difficult my resarch uh from so my uh uh what management so I I want to explain it to my government so it's it's too difficult to uh implementation in our city oh yeah yeah yeah one thing that I want to explain you the difficulties because you do not bring something you cannot only bring content you have to bring equipment or product yeah to S them for example you bring a machine for cring the V to be compos bring them say this machine can be used for that thing and I can make this machine so the people uhhuh yeah this machine can be used for crashing the V and the V can be used for compost and so on and so on then from that point you can then explain the installation the whole installation from the beginning of the end so but if we only go there to bring maybe don't leave us we can realize our conent yeah good your question very you will do that yeah okay one more question okay so thank you very much for your attention I think it's enough for today um I hope that you can enjoy your [Music] Fe oh