the pushback is going to be and i hate to bring this up but the pushback is going to be quite simple do you think what about dr eric mason that's all good but what about thomas soule but what about candace owens but what about voti what about the the the black leaders and voices who do not acknowledge that these things were connected and that there's these different pathways created that that impacted people over generations and generations and that all just kind of bring it all down to this very simple well black fatherlessness and just deduce it to that simple common denominator instead of acknowledging all of these different variables and what even cause black fatherlessness rates to go up how do you how do you respond to those naysayers because i hear that a lot and they and if they'll they'll pick a couple of people and just say ah you know that police personality isn't that bad oh this isn't that bad um how do you how do you respond to it let me answer that let me ask you that so what about so what i answer them is when you're preaching to the gospel to somebody i'm gonna say what about the atheists um okay like there's a couple of things first off that candace owens and all these other people just tell me that black people aren't monolithic that's number one wow all black people aren't the same right um but then not one of the people and i and i say this very very graciously because i one of the things i repented of the other day is i just want to be careful how i talk about people that i disagree with in an unredemptive and almost satiristic way um so i want to be gracious yeah and i saw that video by the way and i saw you broken i showed a lot just in your humility and your in and you being broken instantly like repented and that was like wow this man is freaking salt of the earth man you know let me ask this question though ruslan name one poor black person that's against black people yeah i can't i can't think of any yeah i'm saying and when i say against black people that are like that are they financially hurting hmm i just that's all i want to say about that hmm so you think you think it it may be that well yeah let's not presume motors i'm not going to do that because that's yeah we'll just leave it there that it's not coming from people i'll just say that any of us can do any of us can do a search on how well a group of people are doing i don't know i don't know if i know of any black person that doesn't have a great seat in those arenas and so that's all i'll say about that how do we move towards any type of uh solution because my i would love to see and i know you've probably kind of spent and burnt on like having the the same conversation but a conversation with you and a votey i think could be fruitful but it doesn't sound like that's something you're really interested in and is that because coming from a place of being hurt and being otherwise and do you think there could be any fruit from a conversation like that where both brothers can come together and and and have the dialogue and unpack the the the the stuff on a scholarly level because you guys are talking on a whole another level where i'm like some of this stuff is just kind of over my head you know even in the vocabulary um do you think that that's something that that could be be beneficial and fruitful and is that something that you would potentially be open to i don't know i'd have to get some counsel on it i just um it i think that when you slander someone it would have to be on a platform i would choose um with no edits none of that that's the thing i don't talk like again i don't talk about those guys so i'm very um i'm trying to be good man because there's this bible coming into my mind but i just want to be careful i i it's it's some things that i want to be careful of that's what i would say but other than that um i can say this with with with with very with a lot of confidence i ain't scared of the smoke now we're talking about that um you understand like i i believe that and i don't say that arrogantly i hope you know i i just think that there needs to be a lot more i i like when i i can say this and i'll say this generally some of the people that you've mentioned have never read woke church um no none of them because i know people that have asked them they have a red world church they only engage sound bites they haven't listened to in they haven't never listened to my work church series they've never read my book manhood restored they've never read my book unleashed on my biblical teriology of sanctification uh my my biblical theology of sanctification how it worked they never read people out to the punch they haven't read i mean it's people that haven't even read urban apologetics they're saying oh more crt it's like dude you know one person hears an argument but when they curse examine uh until the another cross examines like the scripture says yes and so and so and so for and so for me i i just think um i just think that they need to they need to be more charitable and i think they need to be if it's true that they haven't read my book or listen to any of my sermons in full um then would you say that slander yeah and that's what makes me frustrated about it i think specifically what devotee what his critique is it's it's sliding into cultural marxist ideologies almost unintentionally um and so he would he wouldn't question your salvation he wouldn't question uh you as a minister of the gospel it sounds like he's just saying ah it's sliding into some of these and it's whether it's about you shaolin uh so many brothers and and and i i i feel like at the least that's not a he's he's apostate he's denied the faith right it's not it's not escalated to a level like that where some of the more uh jeff durbin james white where i think the attacks are a little more um flippant and a little less restrained and a little less gracious so that's why specifically and ungodly yeah because i don't have a problem with somebody critiquing me um i'm just saying do your homework like like for instance let's talk about the can we talk about the word work for one second right yes please cause this is another thing where i feel like people take the worldly definition and project it on the way you're using it instead of the way you're using it or the way i've heard it used historically and i can tell you about my understanding of i want to hear your understanding of it but then they're taking that and now they're projecting it on what you're doing let me let me let me ask a question so historically okay it's like you've heard this before russell you're an artist right where do the hymns come from from my understanding the hymns come from a lot of bar anthems and bar songs right right yeah um where does the word trinity come from earlier in that's earlier second century to julian um coined the word from from the from the latin word trinitas which uh which uh means um which is a mystic term from a a mystery cults and utilize that term as a way to coin the language um in in the translation of the coptic bible there's iconography in it and one of those common ground iconography objects is the ankh if you go to the museum of the bible and you look at the ankh which is a circle it's a it's our cross but with like a circle on it with two deals sitting out here right and so they utilized that because they knew it meant life the uncommit life and and so they said man that symbol means life it looks kind of like the cross let's merge it with the cross so that they can see what does the celtic trinity symbol come from do history on that stuff so when you look at the word woke years ago um first off it wasn't even woke it was consciousness which w e b dubois used right w e.b du bois was discipled by a man named alexander crumble a godly christian man um they viewed it as awareness um they they didn't you they didn't have a term for the word frederick douglass sojourner truth harriet tubman although they called it freedom that's what they called it so as as you look at all those different things and then what ended up happening is when pan-africanism came out in the 50s and the 60s they began taking the word conscious and using it for their whole idea of what they did in the 80s they grabbed the word conscious from that era which comes from w.e.b du bois so what happened was 60 years later hip-hop artists and different people as they read black history was reading w.e.b du bois they took the word conscious from his double consciousness theory stuff and co-opted it for what they were saying but didn't realize that he rooted it in his christian worldview but it's also sociological so there's a sociological sense of being aware of something that's all it means but i got it from ephesians chapter 5 verse 14 through 16 awake sleeper and rise from the dead and christ will shine upon you the word therefore awake means to be totally aware of god's redemptive work through jesus christ that means being aware of two things being aware of the sinfulness of man and the holiness of god seeing clearly that the world is broken and that god can fix it and when you're awakened to how god wants things through the hebrew word shalom which is a reign in the new testament the word loan means to restitch creation back to its original design in order to know how creation should look you look at god and his intention why because in colossians chapter 1 verse 16 he says all things were made for him what is the word for mean in the greek it's a purpose uh preposition which means all things were made by jesus and he had purpose when he created it so when we look at everything we look at poverty we say what's god's purpose for that person's life when we look at a marriage we say what's god's purpose for that when we look at manhood and when we look at womanhood we say what's god's purpose for that particular person's life when it comes to manhood and womanhood when we look at housing what's god's purpose when we look at clothes with god's purpose and guess what when we look at racial relations and ethnicities and how different people are we say what is god's purpose so being woke is being awakened by god through the gospel of the of the way in which things should properly be stitched back to god's order when it comes to racial injustice now you don't have to necessarily be a christian to know that there's injustice that takes place because listen this is theological because even though the image of god is faced from them it's still not erased that means a non-christian person can still be nice even though it doesn't attribute to their salvation right same thing with this and so that's all i'm saying my point with woke is that christians should be the workest people on the planet we should be the most aware people of what god's standards are based on his law and where things are and know like the sons of israel know the times and know what israel to do 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