there's a particular problem in the Islamic world which people don't really talk about very much but it's this why do they hate us us not just the Jewish people but the West United States of America what is it about so much hate aren't we in the 21st century don't we open up our eyes and see the potential of being prosperous and living in times of peace versus times of war so I want you to listen to a conversation with Mr douglas Murray who shares an insight of perhaps that may help us understand where the hate is coming from and why the hate is there and perhaps with us being able to understand it we may be able to do something to change it is that there's a there's a deep failure of recognition of what it is in our societies that's worked and I think we're at risk of killing the golden goose by saying the gold isn't golden enough and the things that work in our society are very fundamental what the framers the founders the framers of the constitution realized um I mean you know maybe the only successful revolution in the world um they realized that things like freedom of conscience freedom of speech were absolutely the bedrocks and that if you didn't get them then the rest could not follow um if you don't believe in freedom of expression freedom of belief freedom of worship a whole set of other problems come they essentially as I see it fall down to the fact that if you are in error you cannot correct it if you are in error you cannot cannot correct it unpack that so this is what John Stuart Mill for in one of the great philosophers of liberty um unpacks in one of his most famous works on liberty mhm the the free speech the necessity of free speech in a society comes about in part because if you are wrong you need to know you're wrong mhm so for if you're doing the econ if you're running the economy and it's not working instead of keeping on allowing it to not work you have to have your ears and eyes open for a system that works and it's one by the way one of the interesting things I find about markets guys in in general is their ability to pivot in a way by the way it just goes back slightly to the politicians issue my one of the reasons I'm interested in the way in which market people think is that it's very very different to the way that politicians think politicians can see a wall and they drive towards it at the same speed or faster and you say wall wall wall and then they hit yeah a market guy you say wall and they move this is a very very different instinct now but to go back to this the the ability to correct yourself if you're in error is absolutely key the the lack of information that has been available in not all but much of the Islamic world for many centuries has caused a deep stagnation a deep stagnation in those societies and as I see it the oil rich countries like Qatar and Saudi although Saudi is interestingly pivoting at the moment uh very successfully really um the they are in the they have been in the same situation that European um uh monarchies were like in let's say the 14th 15th 16th centuries which was they could not grow the economy there was no such concept really you had resources in those days sheep and and and crops as today the Gulf countries have oil um but that money was held by small number of people and there was just no other way of squeezing money from them other than squeezing them further in some form of taxation or invading a neighbor and taking their stuff um much of the Muslim world I think has failed to grow in the way that the west has succeeded in growing in the last few centuries mhm and this causes many things one of them is a deep resentment and one of the most I think one of the most important insights I've ever stumbled upon in my life in relation to that is there's a particular problem in the Islamic world which people don't really talk about very much but it's this that the Quran is meant to be the final revelation of God to man the final revelation there's none after it and all the revelations that come before in the Abrahamic religions are part of Islam if you are the recipients of the final word and you are the followers of that word and the followers of that prophet and that God why is your society not working and why are other societies working i think this is a deep psychological problem within much of the Muslim world which is we thought we were meant we were the winners theologically we're the ones who got the final revelation and I think by the way that much of the anti-Americanism the anti- Zionism and anti-westernism in much of the Muslim world falls down to this fact somewhere at its root which is how come they're doing better than us when we were told that we were best and I think it causes serious um cognitive dissonance it's one of the reasons why the Muslim world is so vulnerable to conspiracy theory it's why it's it's why when a when a shark attack happened at Charal Shik 10 years ago the local authorities said that the shark that had eaten the bather at the most popular tourist resort in Egypt had been sent by the Zionists this is this is like seeing the hand of the site goes back to earlier conversation seeing the hand of the west in other things is an explanation for why the things are not doing well there and in country after country whether it's Egypt which is doing comparatively well compared to some of them um or Iran as well the emiseration of the people the inability to unleash talent and much more comes back to this small number of people benefiting and having no idea how to unleash talent underneath that and political and personal and religious freedom including freedom of speech and freedom of worship are the absolute prerequisites and that is why I cannot understand the suicidal anti-westernism within our societies in our time because as I like to say you know the the footfall should tell us everything nobody as you say is trying to go to Iran in order to have freedom of religion nobody is going into communist China for a better life certainly not from the west they have a negative net migration right right and that this is and this is why when I think of the sort of college students who believe that you know no one's had it so bad as you do in 2024 at Berkeley one of the things I sort of amazed at is like do you not notice that the world wants to come here and do you not think there might be a reason for that and do you not think it might be because there are some things that we've done well here and that if we've done well with them in the past we should we should hold on to those things and and this is why it's so important to be able to recognize and understand what side of history are you going to be on until the leaders of Islam begin living life about life not about death then nothing is going to change they are stuck in a thousand-year-old theory and philosophy about death is what life is all about we need to realize and recognize that we are all created in the image of God we're all children of God and we need to be able to respect love tolerate and accept each other regardless of race color or religion all religions are right as long as you allow us to live and let live as long as we promote life and we do whatever we can to live in peace and to coexist and to have tolerance appreciation and understanding and make room for each other then this world can be a dwelling place for God and that is where the focus needs to be so perhaps this conversation will help you understand a little bit but more importantly it's not just about understanding it's about what we need to do and where your thoughts need to be to be with the right side of history that God almighty bless us that we can all learn to live with each other let's turn arms into plowshares as the prophet said and let's look and seek for better times speedily in our days amen god bless you god loves you